h1-high-heat-strategies

[true fable]

thats about it

[shy plinth]

Yeah

It can be nice to proc hunter's mark

But at that point you're pretty deep on arty and don't need it

[mossy zinc]

Support Fire is really good. It used to be amazing.

[bronze viper]

It's solid with pressure points + hunter's mark, or with fists/rail

[agile obsidian]

Hunters mark just carries in the heroes fight

[mossy zinc]

First pom was +4 damage, I think.

[shy plinth]

+4 yowza

[agile obsidian]

wow

[bronze viper]

Yeah poms used to be outstanding on it

But then you cleared entire runs with a tier 2 support boon

[shy plinth]

That's some crazy scaling

[true fable]

why would you want support fire with HM

it just eats your HM procs

[bronze viper]

Only if they crit

[shy plinth]

And it procs it again

[true fable]

which

hm gives it a chance to do

idk

[bronze viper]

It hits so often that you'll consume them with your real attacks often enough

Also a crit support fire arrow isn't 0 damage. 30-40 damage for literally no work is not bad.

[agile obsidian]

So I was doing a boonless run yesterday and I had a few questions. For the achievement can you not use the slots that have boons at all until you sell it. Or just beat hades with no boons(basically use the purging pool before you face him. I screwed the run up either way bcs I accidentally hit my special button and had no way to cancel it on rail. Also I didnt get a satyr sack in the non boon tunnels which meant there was no way for me to beat hades without having a boon in one of my slots

Also does chaos count as boons

[bronze viper]

You can unbind any button fyi. To your actual question, no idea

[agile obsidian]

Im dumb

[shy plinth]

Does not include unpurgeable boons.```

[agile obsidian]

lmao

[shy plinth]

That's from the wiki

[ripe crane]

Chaos counts. If you pick up a boon, you can't use that boon slot. Just continue until you sell it

[shy plinth]

That's for the olympian free message

Don't know about the achievement specifically

[agile obsidian]

I meant the olympian free message

[ripe crane]

Oh. Yeah it's just at Hades then

[agile obsidian]

Ok

[shy plinth]

Yeah just sell em all

[agile obsidian]

So you can essentially cheat

lmao

[ripe crane]

Switch to fated authority

You can change the Styx tunnels

[agile obsidian]

I couldnt have gotten the message that run anyways bcs I had 3 doors left in styx(hadnt gotten satyr sack) and all of them were boons

[fathom burrow]

What achievement 🤔

[mossy zinc]

If you do an actual boonless run on video at 32+, you can submit it to the leaderboard.

[agile obsidian]

Yeah I forgot to do it that run

I thought might as well level up the shackle

[agile obsidian]

No way im doing it at 32 but maybe 16ish heat wouldnt be a problem

[ripe crane]

It's some unique dialogue and victory title

[fathom burrow]

Oh that

thought it was hidden achievements on steam or something 😄

[rain sedge]

crepes

do you think it's worth always reloading and specialing on the same instance?

or you think the reload-dash is a more optimum move for high heat (54)

[bronze viper]

reload dash?

[mossy zinc]

Pressing Reload and Dash at the same time.

[bronze viper]

Oh, nvm, I was for some reason thinking giving up and reloading on the same seed.

[agile obsidian]

On hestia is there any buff for empowered shot plus dash

Ive not noticed it do anything

[daring hedge]

afaik rail dash-strikes simply come out faster and are of course affected by dash-strike bonuses like hunter dash

doesn't really look very different but empowered shot should still benefit from things like that

[ripe crane]

I have no idea what I do. You can't special and reload at the same time every time, it isn't off cooldown fast enough. Every other works though.

Uhhhh let me think here. I feel like it's like shoot special reload dash shoot reload dash repeat.

[rain sedge]

I see, so every other works

thanks, I'm trying to optimise this aspect

[shy gulch]

i dont usually special reload all the time at high heat

its not super necessary unless u get like a numbskull room idk

or hAZARD BOMB

[ripe crane]

Ya you don't have to do it all the time. It still take a couple of frames to launch it

[mossy zinc]

You can Cast + Reload when you want damage and your Special is on cooldown.

[agile obsidian]

Im doing a mirrorless and boonless run(Saw crepes do it and was like that looks fun) and got a choice between athena dash and athena attack. I couldnt dash for all of tartarus(20 heat)

Only problems Im having so far is dealing with multiple enemies

[opal token]

Do you have to press Cast+reload or dash+reload simultaneously to get some frame benefit? Or when you say “same time” can it just be very close together

[ripe crane]

I just do them very close together. I imagine if you press them at the same time one would happen and not the others, or they would happen not in the order you want

[mossy zinc]

Nah, you can press them on the same frame. You'll get the Dash or Cast animation, but your Rail will also reload.

[agile obsidian]

Can I use meg in a boonless run?

[ripe crane]

ya

[agile obsidian]

oh

Frick

Well that makes styx a lot easier

I hate how im literally locked into 1 dash this entire run

[ripe crane]

Did you

Sell it

OH

yeah that's the hard part

And no DDs ofc

[true fable]

well the dash can cancel the cast if the projectile hasnt come out yet

[agile obsidian]

Yeah I sold it

Furies fight was the only hard part(And dodging witch projectiles)

But hestia op in boonless

[ripe crane]

It really is

[shy plinth]

@gaunt fiber how do I guan yu

It is easily my worst weapon

Need a sensei

[stiff aurora]

Spam special and don't get hit

[bronze viper]

Yeah there really aren't any tricks to it, unfortunately

[shy plinth]

Welp

I got quick spin+massive spin

But wasn't sure if that was a trap

Kinda felt like one

[bronze viper]

It's a trap

At the very least, if you have TD2+ active

Charged Skewer or Serrated Point are probably your best bets

Serrated Point comes with the obvious risk of losing mobility with a true glass cannon

[wide quest]

im gonna try 32 heat later tonight, aiming for a ares chiron bow build and maybe aphro attack and im just wondering if its a safe bet

[bronze viper]

Ares Chiron? As in Dire Misforture stacked on the special?

[wide quest]

yep

[bronze viper]

Interesting

It's not safe lol, that's very very weird

But go for it

[wide quest]

i did it before on like 22 heat and got like 1500 damage cycles

[bronze viper]

Yeah, I'm sure you can get it quite high with relentless volley and impending doom.

Should be fun at any rate :3

[wide quest]

yeh, and i hope i can actually clear 32, ive been trying and just havent been able to

mostly just getting screwed by seeking duplicating witches

[bronze viper]

I think the boring safest bet is Heartbreak Strike, Deadly Flourish

Or if you want to go the AoE route, Heartbreak Strike or Curse of Agony with Drunken Flourish. It's quite good provided you don't have CP2

[wide quest]

idk the abbreviations whats cp2??

[bronze viper]

Calisthenics Program, the +15%/rank health one

[wide quest]

ah

yea i generally play with that maxed

and since im on hell mode ive gotten used to 15%

[bronze viper]

Yeah I'm grinding an account on hell mode right now as well

[wide quest]

but i think my heat is moslty coming from forced overtime, benefits package, 1 tight deadline, middle management, EM2, 1 routine inspection, maxed benefits package

the 5 from hell mode, and like a couple in the more small effects

[bronze viper]

Interesting. I think I find EM3 is even easier on Chiron than it is with Hestia, and that's saying something.

Mostly because Hestia can't hit Theseus while he's going around in a circle to save its life. Unless you're directly in front of him lol.

[wide quest]

yea, im just not used to EM3 enough to put it on

[bronze viper]

Understandable

[wide quest]

and i have yet to try EM4

i might one run and just only have EM4 just to try it out

[bronze viper]

That's an entirely different thing. You can make it "easily" to 50 without ever touching that pact.

It's a very fun fight, but it's... very demanding. Especially with FO2

[shy plinth]

Em4 doesn't mess around

And is psychologically way harder imo

The most stressful part of the run is the end

Usually 32s are just can you get out of tartarus and then can you do elysium without timing out

[dire steppe]

you forgot the part where you die to lernie

[shy plinth]

That's fair

Depends on the blue heads

[ripe crane]

New pact option - all blue heads

[wide quest]

;w; i hate that when it happens normally, i dont need it confirmed

[sly remnant]

Would be nice to get some benefit for it

[onyx venture]

That feeling when AP2 blesses you with a +70% attack damage from Chaos without rerolls

[shy gulch]

taking chaos with ap2? braver than i

[onyx venture]

I live life on the edge

[shy gulch]

truly

[onyx venture]

And Triple Shot? AP2, you're too kind

[astral sparrow]

Started trying 32 heat and it is a jump from what I am used

[shy gulch]

whatre u used to?

[astral sparrow]

20 heat

[shy gulch]

yeah 32 is quite a jump up from 20

understandable

[green citrus]

Roll it
https://imgur.com/YVqEhrD

[lucid wave]

how op is Than keepsake? the butterfly one. because it seems really good early game then it slowly loses effectiveness, but is that 10% damage buff worth it

[true fable]

its not good

[lucid wave]

oh...

[true fable]

although it is global additive damage, it doesnt apply as soon as you take it off

something like skull earring, shackle, or hourglass is usually preferred for raw damage

[lucid wave]

i don't usually take off keepsakes during runs

[shy gulch]

its much better to control your build via god keepsakes or use the ones bright mentioned for damage boosts

[lucid wave]

mmmm kay

[true fable]

youd be hard pressed to find any high heat non-meme runs that use butterfly

[shy plinth]

God keepsakes into acorn is pretty meta until Tail%

[shy gulch]

i was gonna say "50 heat hestia w butterfly time" until i realized that would mean i dont have shackle

so nvm

[lucid wave]

oki dokie thanks y'all

[true fable]

its even meta at tail% now

[shy plinth]

No shackle?

Was that a phase?

[true fable]

it was mostly a phase

idk

i think its still good

but i believe tail prefers deadly strike start

[shy gulch]

yeah it looks like it was mostly a phase

or hunter dash i believe?

[shy plinth]

I assume he didn't have shackle maxed on his hell mode save

[shy gulch]

then shackle into aspho

shackle is still absurd good on hestia but thats bc hestia doesnt need to scale really

shackle attack is already scaled enough

[shy plinth]

Yeah it's still click click boom

[shy gulch]

indeed

gun go pew

[true fable]

i'd argue hestia super needs to scale

[shy gulch]

i dont think you need to at high heat

[true fable]

your damage always feels kind of bad by elysium

[shy gulch]

just maybe 1 good hammer

and ur fine

its not great but its enough

[true fable]

unless you have deadly and HM

[shy gulch]

you dont need both of those to clear high heat

as long as ur solid w your reloading, shackle attack is enough, genuinely

like its no beowulf nuke, but it gets the job done

[shy plinth]

Very little compares to big beo blasts

BBBs, as we call them

[gleaming ridge]

16 heat is harder than I expected (w/ EM4)

[shy gulch]

EM4 is brutal

very fun but very challenging

[gleaming ridge]

I was just chilling and climbing up to 10 heat with all weapons

But I need the 16 heat run to 100% the achievements

EM4 is... quite a step from EM3

[shy gulch]

indeed

its a bigger difficulty jump by far than any other extreme measures

[gleaming ridge]

I'll just keep trying and hope patty shows up one of these times

[bronze viper]

The only reason it's only worth 4 heat is that its predecessors are 6 lol.

[shy gulch]

yeah honestly its worth more than 4 heat imo but its whatever at this point

[bronze viper]

It's the same logic behind RI3 and 4 I assume. They are very clearly not worth 2 heat in the abstract

[shy gulch]

yeah

for sure

in general i think almost all levels of RI are a bit more punishing than 2 heat

except maybe RI2

that only really loses you thick skin which sucks but isnt as bad as every other RI

[bronze viper]

RI1 is not worth 2 heat, but RI2 is definitely worth 4 lol

Weird how that works out

[shy gulch]

bc RI1 is worth 3 and RI2 is worth 1

ez math

[bronze viper]

Before Dark Foresight was buffed it was a no brainer to take RI2 always

Now it hurts lol

[shy gulch]

rerolls are still really useful imo

but yeah with a good dark foresight RI1 is even more punishing

[gleaming ridge]

I think I'm just gonna try to meme it

When in doubt, zag fists with lambent plume

[thorn jay]

Apparently, at 32 heat, if you're used to FO2, it becomes really easy

I used to have HL5 CF2 for 32 heat. Now I can have HL1 CF0 FO2

[shy gulch]

FO2 is pretty difficult at first but getting used to it just is so useful for climbing heat

its what, 6 heat?

thats big

[thorn jay]

Yeah exactly

I might be able to tackle 40 heat now

[shy gulch]

good luck

[thorn jay]

Just have to bring back HL5 and CF2 then probably add DC2 or AP1

Or maybe JS1 CP1?

I'm not yet sure where to put the last 2 heat in

[shy gulch]

id probably avoid cp1 at 40, giving bosses extra health is really painful

[shy plinth]

For 40?

[shy gulch]

DC2 can work depending on weapon

[thorn jay]

Yeah 40 heat

[shy gulch]

yeah id avoid cp1 personally

what weapon u going for

[shy plinth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/668865849079103539/798655245102219264/unknown.png

[thorn jay]

I currently have
HL5
LC4
CF2
EM3
BP2
MM1
UC1
FO2
TD3
for a total of 38 heat iirc

[shy gulch]

right so what weapon are u trying to do it with

DC2 is very weapon dependent

[thorn jay]

Yeah it is

Was able to do DC2 with chiron at my 32 heat run

But i struggled with it on hera

[shy gulch]

for sure

[thorn jay]

I'll do the bow aspects again

Since that's what I did 32 heat first with

[shy gulch]

DC2 can still be annoying with chiron since u have to special for literally everything, including tiny numbskulls, but its not terrible

rama is the only bow id 100% take DC2 with really

[shy plinth]

My instinct here is JS1 DC1 unless you're on hera/arthur/beo/hestia

[thorn jay]

Oh yeah rama too

[shy gulch]

u could always just send out some prayers and do AP1

[thorn jay]

Yeah lol, that's what I'm leaning towards. AP1

So i can just use the same layout for all weapons

[shy plinth]

It's either the most free or the most painful 2 heat

Tbh I think same layout for all weapons is a trap

[shy gulch]

it can work for most weapons i think

[edgy arrow]

when i was doing chiron 40 i found DC2 super painful on the heart rend build, but pretty manageable on the low tolerance build

[shy plinth]

Like the beo players will tell you to turn off CF2 UC and turn on EM4

[shy gulch]

right

some weapons are a bit specific, but mostly they can use that pact for 40

[shy plinth]

Sure sure

[edgy arrow]

for 40? i didn’t

[shy gulch]

you could also do JS2 if you're comfortable w timer but that can get difficult

[edgy arrow]

you defs can tho

[thorn jay]

Cast builds sure are popular at the higher heats huh

[shy gulch]

i also didnt do that for 40 heat but thats because im bad at EM4

[shy plinth]

You definitely could leave em on

[shy gulch]

not really actually

[thorn jay]

Or is beo really jsut that popular

[edgy arrow]

same lol

[shy gulch]

cast builds fall off at high heat

[shy plinth]

But Tyler will yell at you that he wants boons

[shy gulch]

its just beowulf thats popular i think

it struggles for sure but its a fun aspect

the problem w cast builds is that they NEED a lot of boons to work, and high heat stops u from getting a lot of boons

[shy plinth]

Yeah there's a ceiling there

At a certain point you're on a cast weapon with AP2 and your life sucks

[edgy arrow]

beowulf has like 3 players that like it in this channel, so it’s automatically one of the most popular weapons

[shy gulch]

beowulf can sort of mitigate that by taking EM4, as its the best aspect for EM4, which frees up 4 heat from other stuff

namely, things like CF and UC

so u can get more boons

[shy plinth]

It also gets super punished by RI1 and AP

Like moreso than most

[shy gulch]

yeah

cast builds HATE RI and AP

[thorn jay]

Why is beo best for em4? I hate em4 so i never really tried

[shy gulch]

its a shield so it can block

[shy plinth]

Beo's really good on that fight

[shy gulch]

and its a literal nuke

[shy plinth]

Big AOE damage, blocking, etc

[shy gulch]

so you just nuke dad phases

[thorn jay]

Yeah never planning to take RI

[shy plinth]

And the adds

[shy gulch]

its a nuke strapped to the side of a barn

[shy plinth]

Like the adds kinda disappear for free

[shy gulch]

use the barn side to block, use the nuke to kill dad

[thorn jay]

I see. I don't play beo much i just cleared 32 heat with it so i don't really know its ins and outs

[shy plinth]

It's a weapon with a ton of depth and a high skill cap

[shy gulch]

its a nuanced weapon

[shy plinth]

And it gets talked about a lot in here

[shy gulch]

i like it a lot but im not great at it

[true fable]

LOL

[shy gulch]

ah, the beowulf player has entered chat

[shy plinth]

One of them!

[shy gulch]

hey bright

[shy plinth]

Bright will be like "beo ez just get charged shot"

[edgy arrow]

lmao

[shy gulch]

nah its more like "beo ez just get mirage shot"

[shy plinth]

Do mine then do yours

[edgy arrow]

i got charged shot yesterday on a 50 attempt

didn’t get a special boon ofc

turns out you need both

[true fable]

charged shot is also good

mirage shot is also good

[thorn jay]

Maybe ill go through the spear aspects at 32 heat first before attempting 40 with bow

Any tips for zag spear?

[edgy arrow]

get flurry jab

you will win if you get that hammer

[thorn jay]

And heart rend?

I thougyht serrated edge was the OP hammer before

[edgy arrow]

both are really good

don’t get both of them at once tho

it’s one or the other

[true fable]

serrated is annoying

because its so good

[edgy arrow]

flurry jab is better imo because it has no disadvantages

[true fable]

but its so punishing

yeah

flurry does the same amount of attacks without any downsides

[shy plinth]

Serrated has the advantage of making sure you die in elysium so you can run it back faster

[thorn jay]

So don't build around the special for zag spear?

[edgy arrow]

hope you get a good hammer and try to build around that

[true fable]

no it's a trap unless you get exploding launcher or charged skewer first hammer

if you get either of those it can be sort of ok?

but is just worse than flurry jab

[edgy arrow]

^

[shy gulch]

exploding launcher can work yea

i dont like charged skewer without launcher

[thorn jay]

Man, why'd they give rail an aspect that can get +75% damage and just give spear 25% lol

So unfair

[shy plinth]

Spear has +150%

[edgy arrow]

twice

[shy plinth]

Just get massive spin on hades aspect ez

[edgy arrow]

but you’re not wrong lol

[shy plinth]

Yeah I think the perspective of "Eris is kind of too good at doing damage" is... a common one

[thorn jay]

What do u mean? Is it wrong?

[true fable]

no

[edgy arrow]

nope

[true fable]

eris does a lot of damage

turns out global damage is good

and 75% of it for the low low price of hitting yourself with your special

very good

[shy gulch]

eris is just a tad overpowered

[shy plinth]

Oh yeah I'm agreeing with you that it's unfair

[shy gulch]

75% global damage buff for essentially no cost is uh

[shy plinth]

And the nerf really didn't do much for speedrunning tbh

[shy gulch]

pretty ridiculous

[shy plinth]

It punished high heat

[shy gulch]

to be fair eris was never broken at high heat

it was mostly a speed thing

[shy plinth]

Yeah tru

[edgy arrow]

wym it slowed Lili down by 1 second

[shy gulch]

LUL

[shy plinth]

D:

[thorn jay]

I hope they give spear some love next patch esp guan yu

[edgy arrow]

GY’s in a pretty good place imo

[shy plinth]

If I was a gambling man I'd bet against major shifts for the weapons

At this point it seems like the game is largely done

[shy gulch]

i think GY is fine

i just wish the other spear's specials were better

it feels so clunky

[edgy arrow]

it’s supposed to be kinda a different experience

some people will never like it, but it doesn’t need a buff

[thorn jay]

But isnt the only competitive gy build focused on the special

[shy gulch]

i mean the special for like zag / hades spear

the GY special is fine

[edgy arrow]

GY special good, other spear special bad

without exploding launcher or whatever

[thorn jay]

They couldve done something about it's lifesteal

To make it more compettive with other weapons

[shy gulch]

only thing i dont like abt GY is that i think its HP drop is just too drastic

for no reason

[edgy arrow]

that’s the point of it tho

[thorn jay]

Yeah, such a big downside for little benefit

[shy plinth]

Yeah I wonder what it would be like if it started at -50% and ended at -25%

[edgy arrow]

it’s fun because you have no hp

[shy gulch]

like if there was no HP drop it would still just be a fine spear

not op or anything

[shy plinth]

Meanwhile Arthur's like "here have some health"

[edgy arrow]

yeah idk why arthur gets health for no reason lol

[shy gulch]

but i think just tweaking the numbers so its not an insane -70% at lv1 would be good

[thorn jay]

Health and defensive buff

[shy gulch]

what ridic said is prob fine

[true fable]

ridic

not hat?

[shy plinth]

Both work

Speedrunner types shorter name obv

[shy gulch]

hat is shorter tho tbf

im just small brain

[shy plinth]

Discord speedrun strats

[true fable]

reminds me of the pokimane discord ban speedrun

[astral sparrow]

because it is very slow and you get damaged easily while trying to chain the hits I guess

[shy plinth]

I dunno I feel like you can go faster on arthur than some other weapons

The damage is so thicc

And it has bonus health and a damage mitigation aura

[edgy arrow]

if you don’t turn on FO2 it isn’t that bad

[bronze viper]

did the pom scaling on Athena's Aid change?

[shy plinth]

Yes

[bronze viper]

I was about to say, I'm at lvl 5 and the greater call doesn't make me invulnerable for the better part of a decade

SGG is anti fun

lol

[astral sparrow]

FO and DC are both very punishing for arthur

[shy plinth]

#hades-patch-notes message

Check this out @bronze viper

Lot of changes

[thorn jay]

What does the speedrunning community think about mods?

Just quality of life ones

[shy plinth]

No mods

[true fable]

they nerfed it a ton 😦

it used to be busted

[gaunt fiber]

Charged skewer is a free win

There's a lot to tell tho, if you have more specific questions. Heat setup important too

[gaunt fiber]

To me, the only problem is how difficult it is to deal with TD3 + JS without boons or hammer

And the most powerful hammer is denied by DC so hard

[edgy arrow]

are you doing boonless hammerless GY

[gaunt fiber]

I thought about boonless

I can win quite consistently at 40 without hammers but I need boons

[vital grove]

You could do shackle ap2 ri2 maybe

Bit less boons tho meh

[gaunt fiber]

Shackle skewer should be strong enough

[opal token]

Quick recovery still heals you on LC4?

[gaunt fiber]

Yup

[vital grove]

I don't suppose Dusa keepsake heals on lc4

[waxen relic]

It never healed. It spawns food.

[opal token]

Yay all rail done at 32

[wanton plover]

congrats :)

[opal token]

Lucifer, triple bomb, Demeter special, Zeus strike and greater hellfire thing

[wanton plover]

did u have a BLAST haha

[opal token]

:/ hah

[sly remnant]

I know I'm late but beo is very good until it suddenly isnt

Up thru 45 ? Beo good

After 45? Beo not so good

[agile obsidian]

Im terrible at using beo but im sure in the right hands it can do good

Its incredibly fun to use tho

[sly remnant]

Its fundamentals are one of the most unique in the game.

[agile obsidian]

I love using it but im trash with it

[sly remnant]

It probably is one of the worst weapons to main to get good at hades

[edgy arrow]

can confirm

it’s it’s own game kinda

does help you get a bit better with shields tho

[agile obsidian]

I love using chaos shield plus zeus lighting on special

[wanton plover]

i have hl4 js2 td3 with zag sword and i timeout all the time in tart what do

[agile obsidian]

Felt so satisfying to use

[agile obsidian]

Dont use JS 2

What heat are you trying to go for?

[wanton plover]

i get athena attk and try for art dash but i cannot consistently get art dash before asphodel

[bronze viper]

Zag sword is not exactly the champion of efficient damage dealing

[wanton plover]

i can take off one js and add cp or ri or ap

[agile obsidian]

Dont do ap

[wanton plover]

:(

[prime lintel]

what heat are you trying to do?

[bronze viper]

CP is also kind of a bad idea. RI1/2 or AP1 are going to be way better

[agile obsidian]

how many do you have in LC?

[plush scaffold]

Got a 39 heat while pretending to be a heat runner ^_^ , is it still a barrel roll ? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/803537080952946693/808343584105037894/39-heat.png

[agile obsidian]

Bcs if you dont have any in LC then put one in there

[gaunt fiber]

Pog

[mossy zinc]

It can be if you submit it. 🦊

[plush scaffold]

I quickly submitted in hope I won't have done that for nothing ^_^

[sly remnant]

lili Pog

[mossy zinc]

Congratulations!

[gaunt fiber]

Now prepare 41 GY

[mossy zinc]

You can submit the run to the high heat leaderboard, too.

[bronze viper]

Lol, no worries, you'll probably hold the title for longer than the 30 minutes @mossy zinc held the Chiron WR

[mossy zinc]

Then you'll be a real high heat runner™️.

[mossy zinc]

Y u do dis.

[gaunt fiber]

Well high heat is 41

[plush scaffold]

It's "only" 39 heat, and I didn't video recorded it, but thanks 🙂

[gaunt fiber]

So he would come close, but not quite

[wanton plover]

do i need a role to send images

[bronze viper]

I... don't think so? Lots of white names in this channel

You can't send direct images ever btw

In this discord* You need an external image link

[gaunt fiber]

you can in #h1-victory-boasting

[mossy zinc]

SGG: buffs Chiron
everyone: doesn't care
me: "Hey look, I wanted to try Chiron buffs and got a new WR. Going to sleep now! Send questions if you have any!"
this channel: "m about to end this woman's whole career."

[sly remnant]

ugh

i have to start EM4'ing for barrel roll

[bronze viper]

Lmao, it was just impressive that without coordination 3 people had the same thought

[gaunt fiber]

If your WR is taken, just take it again.

[mossy zinc]

This channel taught me not to announce my projects before I finish them.

[edgy arrow]

does that mean you’re working on a wr rn?

i’d guess but there’s no aspect of aphrodite

[wanton plover]

friends holding each other accountable 🥺

[bronze viper]

I had to move to another aspect, clearly I wasn't going to be able to keep pace with @daring hedge once he started figuring Rama out :3

[edgy arrow]

he, uh... sure did figure that aspect out in the end huh

[gaunt fiber]

Just play an aspect no ones cares about

[edgy arrow]

i tried lmao

[mossy zinc]

me: "Whew, timed out at RI4 TD3 45 with Rama. Pretty tough. Hopefully I'll get it next time."
30 minutes later
@daring hedge: "Mirrorless 46 with Rama done. That was easy."

[edgy arrow]

then it got popular all of a sudden

[gaunt fiber]

F

[bronze viper]

waves walking cane around Back in my day I was in the trenches of #h1-builds-and-combat fighting the hordes of naysayers about Rama.

[mossy zinc]

me: "You know what, I suddenly don't care about RI4 45 anymore. I'll . . . I'll just go do something else. "

[edgy arrow]

that was pre buff rama as well

back then i was convinced power shots on it were mythical

i’d never seen one

there were only rumours

[mossy zinc]

No one cared about Chiron, and look how that went.

[agile obsidian]

Chiron is fun

[wanton plover]

so basically i should play only zag sword right guys

[edgy arrow]

lol y’all remember when no one cared about eris

[wanton plover]

😳

[edgy arrow]

wild to think about

[gaunt fiber]

That's very unlucky

[gaunt fiber]

Not a good idea

Someone here cares about it

[edgy arrow]

if anyone manages to beat Retrash at zag sword that’s proof enough for me that they aren’t human

[bronze viper]

I can't remember who, but someone made it a personal project in the beginning of 1.0 to work on zag sword. I think it started off as ironic then developed via Stockholm Syndrome.

[mossy zinc]

lol I thought Eris only buffed Special damage, and I was still unlocking aspects, anyway. That's a big part of why the meta was nowhere near as sophisticated as it is now, too, we were still unlocking things.

[waxen relic]

Instead of looking for Aspects noone cares about you should look for Aspect/Pact Combos that are actiely bad. Like RI4 Poseidon

[mossy zinc]

Just don't tell Tailesque about it if it sounds fun.

[edgy arrow]

is that what you’re doing now?

[bronze viper]

It doesn't count to have records +1'd by him anyway. It's still basically a WR, if you remove the outlier 😛

[edgy arrow]

you’re an inspiration to us all atticor

[waxen relic]

Nah, i'm bad at swords. Currently hard-stuck on Asterius alone with RI4 Achilles 🙂

[bronze viper]

New speedrun category. "2nd best WR, sans Tailesque"

[edgy arrow]

poseidon’s gotta be the hardest cast aspect for RI4

[wanton plover]

he will get that wr too

[gaunt fiber]

well

[bronze viper]

Lmao

[gaunt fiber]

still a sword

[waxen relic]

And Hera's still a Bow. But without Cast-damage

[gaunt fiber]

then we gucci

waiting for your Poseidon RI4 people

[agile obsidian]

What is RL?

[edgy arrow]

i’ll do it at 8 heat

[gaunt fiber]

coward

[edgy arrow]

yeah ofc

[agile obsidian]

Nvmd its RI not RL

[wanton plover]

routine inspection

[gaunt fiber]

Routine Inspection y

[edgy arrow]

why you think i play shield? bravery?

nah i wanna hide

[gaunt fiber]

You play shield for boom

[sly remnant]

hades scary

[edgy arrow]

that too

[sly remnant]

big plate safe

[agile obsidian]

Dam I never got into the shield until I put zeus on special

Thats when it became fun

[wanton plover]

aegis is the cutest weapon

[edgy arrow]

tyler when did you become a bad beo player

[wanton plover]

today

yesterday he was a different beo player

[edgy arrow]

y’all gotta stop referring to yourselves and “bad” and “casual” it’s making me look even worse

[waxen relic]

After playing yesterday i've been thinking that Asterius killing me might have something to do with FO2. But do i really turn that pact off for just 1 fight?

[sly remnant]

cow scary

[agile obsidian]

I literally didnt have a clear on the shield until I got the ending thing with persephone back

[gaunt fiber]

The very first time I got charged by FO2 Asterius I thought I'd never be able to do it

[agile obsidian]

FO2 asterius is scary

Like really scary

[gaunt fiber]

It's like instant death

[agile obsidian]

The way I dodge his charge is make him run into the pillars

[sly remnant]

ye but we feel this way because both of us have put an insane amount of time on the weapon yet we have no notable records on it to our name

[agile obsidian]

That stops his charge

[bronze viper]

The first game since I started playing again last week that I had EM3 active, I ended up doing a loopdy loop game of tag around a pillar with Asterius for a solid 5 or 6 seconds. Brought back good memories.

[edgy arrow]

...same

[gaunt fiber]

72, enjoy the remaining 30 hp you have

[waxen relic]

Thing is i have 1-dash and 1 Rush, but the rush needs to be set up

[agile obsidian]

Also either hyper sprint or greatest reflex helps

[edgy arrow]

prolly less time than you two tho

[wanton plover]

the way i dodge his cow tackle

kiss the wall then turn left or right

[gaunt fiber]

that's your mistake

Beo is popular now

[agile obsidian]

yep

[wanton plover]

its inconsistent to hug a pillar. i cannot do it always

[agile obsidian]

I dont hug the pillar but try and make him run into it

[bronze viper]

In all honestly to save time I spend acorn charges to eat the bull rush. Douchenozzle is going to eat them randomly at some point anyway, may as well tank thicc hits to deal more damage

[gaunt fiber]

I don't run around pillar it's too risky

[sly remnant]

cow scary

big plate safe

[gaunt fiber]

The hyper drift is real

[edgy arrow]

i just stand against a wall and dash through him

[gaunt fiber]

I do that

[edgy arrow]

otherwise it’s just as ledger said; that’s what acorn charges are for

[agile obsidian]

Em3 Fo2 heroes fight is very scary

[gaunt fiber]

Sometimes when no choice I dash through him directly

[sly remnant]

fight not scary when heroes can't move

[agile obsidian]

Dash invincibility baby

[waxen relic]

My Go-to Strategy is just block it, but.. yeah where's my shield?

[edgy arrow]

i feel you lol

once i tuned out and got the wide charge of rama confused with a bull rush charge in my head and tried to block with it

pro tip: rama is not a shield

[bronze viper]

I feel like there should be a more satisfying noise than the iddle widdle plink you get when a massive minotaur charges into your shield

[edgy arrow]

it’s satisfying that you aren’t dead

[opal token]

Lol finally Gilga 32. My Maim proc killed Hades as I was at 2 hp in a laser beam.

[edgy arrow]

but now you mention it, you’re right

[agile obsidian]

^^^

[sly remnant]

NICE

[edgy arrow]

epic

i too managed to beat hades with gilga

on zero heat

i swear i’m getting worse at that aspect

[opal token]

Lol

[bronze viper]

I've had Divine Dash and epic Greatest Reflexes on GIlgamesh before and still ran out of dashes to dodge projectiles

Yeah for some reason I just brain fart really hard on that aspect

[agile obsidian]

Gilgamesh is fonky

[edgy arrow]

i actually really wish you couldn’t hold down space to keep dashing

it’s annoying more than it’s useful

[bronze viper]

You could remap it to a different key

[agile obsidian]

For speedruns its really good

[bronze viper]

:3

[agile obsidian]

With rebinding it to trigger

[opal token]

It took me a bunch of tries to get 32, so unsure if this is a good strategy, but I was starting Ares keepsake and either going Blade Dash or attack depending on rarity

[edgy arrow]

still the same problem on any key lol

[gaunt fiber]

wdym gilga good for speedruns

[bronze viper]

I forced Merciful End

[edgy arrow]

same

idk what i’m gonna do for 40 at this point

[opal token]

Won that time with Blade Dash and Rush Kick Artemis

And no attack boon lol

[edgy arrow]

maybe i’ll just stick with my 21x40 and call it a day

[gaunt fiber]

Nope

you're doing 24

[edgy arrow]

y u so mean to me

i even did GY already

[bronze viper]

what aspects do you have left?

[edgy arrow]

zag sword, nemesis and gilga

[agile obsidian]

TIps for GY 32 heat?

[gaunt fiber]

Nemesis is ok

[bronze viper]

Well... at the very least you know you're not doing Zag Sword lmao

[edgy arrow]

i’m mostly working on other stuff atm tho

[gaunt fiber]

such as

[gaunt fiber]

Highroll with charged skewer if you're not comfortable with the aspect

[agile obsidian]

Yep thats my normal strat

But which keepsakes and stuff

[gaunt fiber]

Many are viable

[bronze viper]

Spinning is a trap. Go for Charged Skewer or Serrated Point and spam. #1 priority is never getting hit

[agile obsidian]

I normally spin when enemies spawn

[edgy arrow]

hell mode grinding mostly

i’ve almost unlocked beowulf

[gaunt fiber]

Eternal rose for weak, Owl pendant for divine dash, Adamant arrowhead for some crits

[agile obsidian]

Is GY the easiest spear for 32?

[gaunt fiber]

How easy it is will depend on the hammer

[bronze viper]

Lol, in HM every time I see the top row of level 1 keepsakes my inner completionist dies. At some point I'll have to do that

[agile obsidian]

But if I keep resetting for charged skewer it is?

Like I keep dying until I get it

[gaunt fiber]

It will be the easiest way

[agile obsidian]

Ok

[bronze viper]

Hades is by far the best spear, but it's not easy

[gaunt fiber]

pffff

[edgy arrow]

i just do it for a bit of a break from heat pushing now and then

[agile obsidian]

Should I get it to max level its at level 2 rn

[bronze viper]

Guan Yu?

[agile obsidian]

yeh

[bronze viper]

Holy crap hahaha

Yeah def

It's definitely the worst aspect at non-level-5 in the game

[agile obsidian]

Ive never really upgraded it since I used pierced butterfly on it and the whole point was not to get it so I never upgraded it

[wanton plover]

i wish i could un blood aspects

[bronze viper]

So I could unblood Zag Sword after getting that prophecy

[agile obsidian]

Same

[edgy arrow]

ugh gonna throw myself at nemesis again for a bit ig

[mossy zinc]

Why? Just get ME.

[edgy arrow]

the goal is 24x40 without ME

i guess i'll use it if i'm really stumped but i'm pretty stubborn

[gaunt fiber]

Nice

No don't use it

[mossy zinc]

24x40 with RI4?

[edgy arrow]

lmao i'm not a complete masochist

[gaunt fiber]

LC2 Strong drink strats

[edgy arrow]

oh lol i didn't realise what you were replying to

yeah i guess that makes sense

[gaunt fiber]

ME chase without a mirror

seems good

[mossy zinc]

I mean it's not difficult.

It's just a matter of resetting until you get it.

[waxen relic]

1-Dash ME? I mean sure it's still ME after all

[mossy zinc]

That's just fresh file strats.

Attack > Dash > repeat.

[gaunt fiber]

well fresh file is one dash ME

[bronze viper]

Just get more dashes. Probably isn't skewing the probability that much more since you already want ME lol

[gaunt fiber]

It's boring but yeah

[edgy arrow]

reset a billion times?

[gaunt fiber]

you don't reset that much unless you want a WR

Except if no ME in Ely

[edgy arrow]

really?

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah

[edgy arrow]

i guess there are fewer gods so you’re more like ares/athena

even so

[gaunt fiber]

4 gods yeah

[bronze viper]

DIdn't know you could get duos in FF

[mossy zinc]

Why speedrun if you're not going for WR.

[gaunt fiber]

Athena Artemis Ares Dionysus

[lilac depot]

I got heart rend twice but thanks to approval process it was scratched out.. TWICE

[mossy zinc]

You're just slowrunning if you're not trying to be faster.

[lilac depot]

that was almost a good run

[bronze viper]

Lol, you can still speedrun to best person best times

[gaunt fiber]

Imagine saying that and submitting mirrorless to speedrun dot com

[mossy zinc]

I just wanted to show them gud.

It was important.

[sly remnant]

if you are proud of it then you should submit

[bronze viper]

I think Tail's first 40 Rama speedrun ended up being top x for Any Heat for the aspect lol.

[sly remnant]

regardless of times

[gaunt fiber]

Might do GY40 again to get the aspect WR

[edgy arrow]

if you are proud of it and/or it’s funny

shout out to the guy with the >1 hour fresh file speedrun

[bronze viper]

I don't envy people who have to verify FF speedruns.

[mossy zinc]

m I really the only one who does not even see the crossed-out options when playing with AP2?

[edgy arrow]

i don’t envy the all weps people

[gaunt fiber]

No time to pick boons we runnin

[waxen relic]

i'm seeing it when there's a green border, but i don't really care what's inside.

[edgy arrow]

i do now as well

took me a long time tho

[sly remnant]

it turns out in a game where decision making is important you tend to look for your decisions

[edgy arrow]

now i see it only if it’s mirage shot

[bronze viper]

Depends on my mood. I start seeing the options more the closer I am to burnout

[edgy arrow]

then i angery

[mossy zinc]

I miss when AP2 was meta and people were posting AP2 screenshots every day.

[bronze viper]

Golly I don't. That was miserable. I quit the game for 2 months from AP burnout

[mossy zinc]

And every time, I'd be like "oh that's a nice boon" and literally not get they posted it because of the crossed-out Duo or Legendary or whatever until somebody pointed it out to me lol.

[sly remnant]

thats awesome that you can do that

[gaunt fiber]

It's called being blind mate

[sly remnant]

tempest strike

[mossy zinc]

Aren't y'all blinded by the things you cannot have? I see the things that actually can be attained clearly.

It's called focus.

Wisdom.

Real Gamer Perception™️

[gaunt fiber]

weird flex but ok

[bronze viper]

Lol, I think it's mostly because when playing video games, you naturally try to seek the fun, so when your 1 option isn't providing it, your eyes move elsewhere

[sly remnant]

its also hard to ignore the duo/leg sound in your ear

so even if you don't "see" it

you know its there

[rain sedge]

@sly remnant wtf is with your name

[sly remnant]

i am bad at beo

[rain sedge]

didnt you do beo 50

[sly remnant]

i explained it earlier but basically

for as much time as i have spent on the weapon i have no notable records with it

[rain sedge]

beo 50?

[sly remnant]

i did beo 50

but its not the heat record for beo

i guess i technically have the world record in speed

but i'm competing against 2 other people in a non-competitive category

[rain sedge]

doing beo 50 disqualifies you from calling yourself bad I think

we don't allow that kind of bad self-talk here

[gaunt fiber]

says the professionnal self diss agent

[rain sedge]

wdym

I'm just aware of my skill level compared to others

[sly remnant]

same

[rain sedge]

but you're not bad

😦

[gaunt fiber]

Blinded soul

[lusty mirage]

I just go into it with a different mindset, i see the choices crossed out but i'm expecting to just take whatever the game gives and treat the crossed out choices as fluff

[gaunt fiber]

This guy starts with chaos egg btw

[lusty mirage]

on hc gy

it's a corner case that i find fun

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, essentially. I see them but I also don't really.

[shy plinth]

@gaunt fiber I tried my first GY in a while yesterday and got quick spin+massive spin and timed out on heroes

I assume those are bait

[rain sedge]

absolutely not bait

it makes GY almost a playable weapon without charged skewer

[gaunt fiber]

The combo is amazing

[rain sedge]

how did you time out? tempest strike?

[gaunt fiber]

But if you're only spinning it will be too slow anyway

[lusty mirage]

spin best between waves or boss phases

[gaunt fiber]

I assume you were spinning like crazy and neglecting other ways of dealing damage

[mossy zinc]

You're best off learning the standard Special > Dash-Strike x2 rotation before you work in other things.

[lusty mirage]

i remember bablos 40 heat streak gy where he had quick/massive and got patty jerky, was a good showcase

[shy plinth]

I had level 3 aph attack and level 4 artemis special

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah but to be fair it was TD2

[shy plinth]

But just didn't feel like I was doing anywhere near enough damage

TD3

[gaunt fiber]

A spin build is super safe on TD2

[shy plinth]

Yeah

I shouldn't have tried it on td3 first time

The damage was fine, it was just slow

[gaunt fiber]

GY is excellent to save time in tartarus imo

[shy plinth]

It is

[lusty mirage]

oh nice, Lili got in on the barrel roll

[gaunt fiber]

I need to try a spin build again but I'm sure I can deal with TD3

[lusty mirage]

seems like serrated is better for an atk focused build

[shy plinth]

Woah

Lili!

[mossy zinc]

I'd argue the opposite. You should try things on TD3 first time. If you can't beat TD3, you'll know you need to change something.

TD3 is a great DPS check.

[shy plinth]

What I need to change is not knowing how to play GY lol

I checked all my aspects and my highest GY clear is... an 11

Everything else is 20s-30s

[mossy zinc]

If you can't beat TD3 consistently at 40+, fine. If you can't beat TD3 at lower heats, you're doing something wrong.

[shy plinth]

Oh I am 100% doing something wrong

[lusty mirage]

well i'm happy to talk your ear off about GY hat

[gaunt fiber]

usually people are slow with GY

They figure out the dps rotation but they're taking it too easy

[shy plinth]

Yeah brain I may just have to talk to you about it extensively

Actually

🤔

[mossy zinc]

You mean they steal my DPS rotations.

[shy plinth]

I wonder if I could record a conversation

And then put it on the internet somehow

[gaunt fiber]

You've got an interesting concept

[gaunt fiber]

Pretty much

[lusty mirage]

i think there's something to be figured out about the gy normal attack

there are some strange things you can do with it

[agile obsidian]

I use the gy normal attack to finish off enemies

[gaunt fiber]

You can make the third happen faster but it costs you a dash and the aiming is almost random

Other than that, 40>30 so it's useful sometimes

But we don't have the aoe of Arthur so

[mossy zinc]

50 > 40.

[gaunt fiber]

True but 40 faster

[ripe crane]

Explain

[mossy zinc]

Base Cast.

[dire steppe]

32 < 9

[gaunt fiber]

I'll test some attack builds in a while

But the dash strike amazing and attacking means less special so I don't see the point yet

[mossy zinc]

My best Attack build with the new Guan Yu Attack was with Tidal Dash, but I think the combo did more damage in the first test build.

[gaunt fiber]

I died in Elysium with triple jab and an epic Swift Strike

But if you're running tidal

Well Tidal is doing the damage that's about it

[eternal pier]

Has anyone done 64 yet? I just got past 62 a few times so I feel like I've got it handled. Going to look at kicking it up now.

[true fable]

nice! you got a video?

[eternal pier]

Haven't looked at #h1-victory-boasting much since you can't search heat there.

I don't! I play on Switch, but I plan to screen cap next time. I didn't realize this community had a place to share til today 😅

[agile obsidian]

The switch struggle is real

[true fable]

oof

[eternal pier]

Or take a pic, since screen cap isn't a thing

[agile obsidian]

I dont even have a capture device so I cant even submit high heat runs

[true fable]

yea if you have the victory screen you should submit it in the pins

[eternal pier]

👍

[agile obsidian]

For high heat you need to submit the whole video to prove that it isnt seeded

[eternal pier]

Seeded?

[agile obsidian]

You are not planning out the entire run

[true fable]

see 62 heat would be WR but without a video or victory screen its not verifiable

[eternal pier]

...how is that even possible?

[agile obsidian]

Casting summoning etc

[eternal pier]

Wait is it the same if you reset??

[gaunt fiber]

give up

[agile obsidian]

yep

It counts as seeding if you give up

It has to be all random

[eternal pier]

Wtf. I never realized. I thought it stayed random.

[agile obsidian]

Although still a huge accomplishment even if you give up

Bcs without prior knowledge of seeding the only planned thing is the first boon/hammer

At 62 heat

[eternal pier]

But, heard re: video. I guess if I can get a setup to do it I'll try it out then!

[true fable]

what was your pact?

[agile obsidian]

But dam tailesque you better watch out

[true fable]

im assuming everything except routine 4?

[mossy zinc]

@eternal pier if you submit just a victory screen, we have a tab for that on the spreadsheet, but it serves as honorable mentions. The actual leaderboards require video. Unseeded submissions require the previous death to also be on the video, seeded submissions do not.

You can take a photo of your victory screen, too. That works.

[agile obsidian]

62 heat is world record right?

[true fable]

well

sure

if theres video

[eternal pier]

A mix. That one, one without the last +dmg & count, and another with no HS/last dmg tick.

[true fable]

what weapon are you using

[mossy zinc]

Unverified records are not WRs.

[agile obsidian]

Right but if it was verified it is WR

[true fable]

quite an if

[queen nacelle]

what’s the highest heat possible ? not what’s been succeeded, but like how much you can actually add to the pact

[agile obsidian]

64 I think

[queen nacelle]

oh wow

[eternal pier]

I don't care about the record fwiw, was just curious if it had happened yet. 😅 I'll see about setting my phone to record or something next run tomorrow though.

Fists on 2 runs, Bright, Rail on another.

65 with Hell, isn't it?

[true fable]

64 with hell

[lusty mirage]

ppl would love to see you clear 62, try to record!

[agile obsidian]

yeah

[eternal pier]

Oh, I thought someone had said Hell was 65 total. 🤔

[agile obsidian]

Wait so it took you 3 tries to get 62?

[mossy zinc]

That's not what seeded is. That's fully routed. All routed runs are seeded, not all seeded runs are routed.

63 in normal mode, 64 in Hell mode.

[eternal pier]

Gods no lol. I've been playing since release.

[agile obsidian]

ok

[shy plinth]

A 62? Wow

Can you go into your admin chamber and post a pic?

I'd love to see the config

[true fable]

not just a 62, 3 of them apparently

[shy plinth]

Woah

[queen nacelle]

i will just sit here with my 11 clears and admire lmao

[true fable]

and 2 on melee weapons

[shy plinth]

That's intense

[true fable]

yeah if you have a pic from admin chambers wed love to see it

[agile obsidian]

Thats tru

[eternal pier]

Oh, yes! I can do that when I'm home again. There are many more failed runs, that's for sure.

[agile obsidian]

Take a screenshot from admin chambers

[shy plinth]

62 is crazy

I don't even know how that's possible

[eternal pier]

Luck & no life thanks to covid. 😔

[mossy zinc]

@eternal pier feel free to join in on the "Do a barrel roll!" challenge. It's pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat. Those don't require a video, just a victory screen is enough.

[eternal pier]

Pretty sure playing a bunch of WoL right before picking this up helped though.

[agile obsidian]

But send a screenshot on victory boasting

62 heat is insane

[eternal pier]

There's challenges? This place rocks. I've only ever asked questions I never figured out & helped folks in #new before.

[agile obsidian]

Yeah check pinned messages in builds and combats

oops nyaanyaa mewmew already said that

Theres 3 challenges going on rn

[mossy zinc]

RidiculousHat and I come up with new challenges every month, yeah.

[shy plinth]

Nyaa comes up with them and I make spreadsheet go zoom zoom

[agile obsidian]

hades community is actually awesome

[mossy zinc]

Well, yeah. But you do help me brainstorm ideas.

[ripe crane]

Trying to imagine single dash fists surviving 62 heat while also clearing in 20 minutes

[eternal pier]

Word. Thanks y'all! Back to work for me. Catch ya later. 💛

[true fable]

same lmao

take it easy

[agile obsidian]

Transporting photos from your switch to computer takes forever tho

I hate it

[eternal pier]

One was just perfect boon/hammer setup. Another I still had backstab which helped a ton. I just like fists a lot, but I've got at least 100+ failed runs at 50+ ☠️

[sly remnant]

@ohokwy what is that 40 heat pact

[edgy arrow]

what's wrong with it

[mossy zinc]

I mean it worked, right?

[edgy arrow]

^

[sly remnant]

CF2 UC AND AP1

[mossy zinc]

Bad beo players wouldn't understand.

[edgy arrow]

i'm scared of EM4 tho

[shy plinth]

#h1-high-heat-strategies message @sly remnant

[sly remnant]

What better way to learn it than a community challenge

With no stakes

[edgy arrow]

hmm true

[sly remnant]

My time was with a 4 sac

[mossy zinc]

Learn? Why?

[edgy arrow]

quick beat me so i can beat you with EM4

[sly remnant]

Its very beatable

[mossy zinc]

This challenge is not about learning.

It's about crushing your competition.

[sly remnant]

I did beat you bro

With an EM4 4 sac

[mossy zinc]

Don't be so nice to each other. Fight, fight.

[edgy arrow]

oh lmao you did

[true fable]

i kinda wanna put a chiron hunting blades time on the spreadsheet

for museus

[edgy arrow]

okay here i go

[sly remnant]

LMAO BRIGHT

[mossy zinc]

@true fable why don't you try to put a good time on the board instead?

[daring hedge]

We need a high heat soaker up there

[true fable]

hmm

[sly remnant]

Oh thats true tail

[true fable]

dang that would cut deep if you were faster than me LOL

[sly remnant]

Bright ill never be faster than you

[true fable]

but yeah i might do a soaker

[mossy zinc]

I don't care about being fast lol.

You do.

[sly remnant]

Tbf fast is part of the challenge

[true fable]

[shy plinth]

Humbly requesting an achilles meme beam

[daring hedge]

After all the tyler "I am slow" submission notes I am now waiting for the "I am fast" arc

[mossy zinc]

Be the Achilles meme beam you want to see in the world.

[shy plinth]

I can't clear 40 lol

[sly remnant]

I might have said I am somewhat fast if my 40 run had been a 2 sac

[true fable]

yeah that time woulda been somewhat spicy

[gaunt fiber]

sigh

When will you learn tyler

[mossy zinc]

That's okay. You can do 41 instead.

Don't need to do 40 anymore.

[gaunt fiber]

Beo 40 is at least CF2 and AP1

[daring hedge]

We all love sack mechanic here at high heat strategies

[shy plinth]

Is that a schad subtweet

[true fable]

im pretty sure schad plays on a modded game at this point

[sly remnant]

I threw up in my mouth

[mossy zinc]

I think the best Beowulf 40 strat is CF2 RI3 AP2, so you can take off Heat elsewhere where it hurts more.

[sly remnant]

Feel free to beat my time with that

I also did it first try

[daring hedge]

The best beo strat is resetting until you go insane

[sly remnant]

So you gotta do that too

[shy plinth]

Feel free to use this pact https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/668865849079103539/798655245102219264/unknown.png

It's a solid 40

[gaunt fiber]

I'll do some randomized 40 that seems fun

[sly remnant]

I hope no one thinking about 40 heat beo

Takes yall seriously

[mossy zinc]

@shy plinth why are you spoiling our March Challenge?

[shy plinth]

Oh no

What have I done

[mossy zinc]

Now we can't use it anymore.

[gaunt fiber]

Thanks Mr. Hat

[sly remnant]

Thanks Mr. Hat

[shy plinth]

What did I do

What didn't I do

[mossy zinc]

Going well. https://imgur.com/a/RWmFvgS

[sly remnant]

lmfao

[shy plinth]

The waaaaaave

[gaunt fiber]

Not the best indeed but it's the only one I see

[sly remnant]

i think without fo2 td3 its an achievable challenge

i mean of course anything is achievable

[shy plinth]

I do not believe this pact config is capable of beating alecto

[sly remnant]

with shackle and hp spam on doors its possible

not easy

but possible

[shy plinth]

Gonna get chewed up by a single blade

But yes it is possible

[sly remnant]

but yea

i would never take this

[shy plinth]

Oh of course not

It is my copypasta for worst possible 40 heat config

[sly remnant]

ye i don't think it gets much worse than that

unless you find a way to do EM4

[shy plinth]

Nah I wanted EM off

Too much easy heat

[sly remnant]

i think its aspect dependent

some weapons like rama don't mind js3 that much

or even eris