h1-high-heat-strategies

[edgy arrow]

i literally qualified by the tartarus miniboss

there were like, 2-3 chances per biome

[mossy zinc]

Have you tried this strategy? #h1-builds-and-combat message

[shy gulch]

lmao

[stiff aurora]

not wrong

[edgy arrow]

...touche

in any case, is there any consensus on the best keepsake to run v. EM4?

[stiff aurora]

anyway, if you are going TD3, I would pick a damage build(so either artemis or dio special). Demeter prohably gets too slow

[edgy arrow]

people seem to be using tooth, acorn or spearpoint i guess?

[shy gulch]

lucky tooth is i think the most commonly used one

retrash uses spearpoint

[true fable]

i think spearpoint or tooth if youre not a gambling man

[shy gulch]

acorn isnt great since the adds can strip away acorn really easily

[gaunt fiber]

Nothing will save you, might as well hold the Eternal Rose in your mouth

[shy gulch]

like doomstone or particularly butterfly

[true fable]

if yoo feel like playing add roulette you can take acorn

[mossy zinc]

The Eternal Rose is the best keepsake for EM4.

[stiff aurora]

just go for memes and get butterfly in styx

[true fable]

its fine if you get skullcrushers

[edgy arrow]

yeah i just lost my acorn pretty fast to doomstones

[sly remnant]

I think acorn is fine for beo since you can normally one or two shot minibosses

[true fable]

remember the doomstone tech

[shy gulch]

anything is fine for beo just get a full build

and then nuke everything in sight

[true fable]

leave doomstone and minis alive after first phase

to avoid second phase summons

[edgy arrow]

wait for real

[true fable]

yes

[stiff aurora]

second phase summons are a thing?

[shy gulch]

second phase as in like

[true fable]

nah like

[shy gulch]

the second phase in the first phase

lol

[true fable]

^

[edgy arrow]

lmao i killed them all to farm call charges

[mossy zinc]

Phase 1 part 3.

[sly remnant]

Phase 1.2

[shy gulch]

the second imperviousness while in the first phase

[stiff aurora]

ok I thought I had to be careful about not killing them

I usually don't but still

[shy gulch]

the adds in phase 2/3 are the pots that will one shot you LUL

[stiff aurora]

have you tried not going HS?

[mossy zinc]

The adds in phase 2/3 are the friends you made along the way.

Wait.

[true fable]

you can still kill most of the mini doomstones

but leave the main alive

[shy gulch]

i have tried not going HS many times

and still do

at this point i dont take HS at 40 heat or lower

[true fable]

and he will usually regen enough to not allow summons part 3

[shy gulch]

because im a coward

[true fable]

i just put it on

[mossy zinc]

My EM4 strategy is just . . . just don't.

[true fable]

if i die to a trap its at least good content

[edgy arrow]

same

[shy gulch]

same nyaanyaa

[stiff aurora]

I really like the EM4 fight though

[edgy arrow]

but 50 is big number and idk what else to do lol

[true fable]

yeee

[gaunt fiber]

I just hate the summons

[true fable]

doing 50 beowulf too huh

[edgy arrow]

yus

[true fable]

i think EM4 is the way to go

[gaunt fiber]

everything else is fine

[true fable]

sadly

[edgy arrow]

got 46 the other day, so all i have to do is add EM4

[sly remnant]

You dont have a choice on beo

[mossy zinc]

But should we listen to the opinions of a casual for high heat?

Just asking.

[shy gulch]

for beowulf i think you kinda need to do EM4 at higher heat

[edgy arrow]

lol if Bright's a casual beo player, what does that make me

[shy gulch]

you just dont have the flexibility to do boon-restricting pacts like

[true fable]

fair fair

[shy gulch]

CF, RI, or AP

at the levels other weapons can do

[sly remnant]

I'm p sure em4 is required for beo starting at like 40

[shy gulch]

you NEED boons with beo

[true fable]

ive only put a paltry 600 hours into beowulf

[shy gulch]

i did 40 without em4 with beo i think

[gaunt fiber]

Bright is a speedrunner hence a casual

[shy gulch]

but like

[edgy arrow]

ah ofc

[shy gulch]

you should have it on, im just bad

[true fable]

exactly

[gaunt fiber]

dont @ me

[true fable]

too late

[tidal flame]

@gaunt fiber

[true fable]

@gaunt fiber

[gaunt fiber]

yeah lmao

[edgy arrow]

speedrunning, a notably casual way of playing

[gaunt fiber]

good job everyone

[shy gulch]

yes

[tidal flame]

Speedrunners are casuals

Everyone knows this

[gaunt fiber]

Btw nice acorn on that file

[sly remnant]

Everyones a casual tbh

[edgy arrow]

yeah to be a pro you gotta do 8 hour runs

[mossy zinc]

Do you want me to answer that?

[edgy arrow]

otherwise you're legally a casual

[tidal flame]

Wdym, would you rather have Spearpoint?

[gaunt fiber]

Yes

[edgy arrow]

... no

[sly remnant]

Ohokwy is a good beo player

[gaunt fiber]

I did a perfect phase 1 until second summon, acorn stripped in the blink of an eye

[sly remnant]

Brights like....top 2 beo player in the world

[tidal flame]

Nice

Git gud

[true fable]

i am unfortunately only top 10

[mossy zinc]

Speedrunners die at low heat in races.

Exhibit A: @tidal flame

[gaunt fiber]

I'll try

[true fable]

retrash/ananke/wriste all have me beat now

[shy gulch]

retrash?

at beo?

[tidal flame]

Counter point: I'm no longer speedrunning

[true fable]

51 heat beowulf

[shy gulch]

oh right

get owned

[tidal flame]

Check mate

[mossy zinc]

Whose mate should I check?

[sly remnant]

I do not amend my earlier statement

[true fable]

i appreciate the support

[rain sedge]

Bright gotta claim the beo world record

[shy gulch]

bright if you want to be a better beo player, id recommend getting a gameshark

ask ananke where he got his

[mossy zinc]

How low the Beowulf players have fallen.

[true fable]

i would personally just skip elysium

[shy gulch]

LOL

[edgy arrow]

redo 52 i dare you

[gaunt fiber]

a viable strategy

[true fable]

yeah its not like the olden days

nyaanyaa is about +200% less viable this patch

[rain sedge]

Daring nya, a bold strategy

But yeah, do it nya

[edgy arrow]

like, there's no way beo can't go higher than 51

[gaunt fiber]

and stream it

[true fable]

beo can do 54 imo

[edgy arrow]

55 hell mode

[sly remnant]

I agree with bright

[tidal flame]

I think Blake Lively is p good.

[true fable]

just about rolling the RI2 die

[sly remnant]

Its just a matter of if the good beo players feel like doing it

I'll be honest

I dont feel like pushing heat

[rain sedge]

WeirdChamp

[edgy arrow]

all the good players distracted by casual speedrunning smh

[gaunt fiber]

help needed?

[tidal flame]

I'm spitting mad truths.

[rain sedge]

Yes please astaos

[tidal flame]

....

[rain sedge]

!goodbot

[tidal flame]

Badbot

[gaunt fiber]

You're not speedrunning go for it

[edgy arrow]

who says i'm not

need to get to 50 first tho lol

[gaunt fiber]

Nice

[sly remnant]

Ohokwy could absolutely do 54 heat beo

[tidal flame]

Just do 64 lol

Only 10 more heat

[edgy arrow]

lol why do you suddenly have so much confidence in my beo abilities tyler

[tidal flame]

I bet you can clear 10 heat np

[mossy zinc]

@edgy arrow try getting to 41 first.

[edgy arrow]

i've done 46

[gaunt fiber]

He got 46

[rain sedge]

he's doing the 24x40

[edgy arrow]

is 41 harder?

[sly remnant]

LMFAO

[mossy zinc]

I don't see any 41 on the board from you.

No evidence.

[edgy arrow]

hmm true

[sly remnant]

True

[rain sedge]

true

[edgy arrow]

actually i don't think i even have a beo 40 on the board

i could just be making all this up

[mossy zinc]

Your highest Beowulf clear is 32.

[rain sedge]

nya

can you teach me the art of dissing people and getting away with it please?

[mossy zinc]

Who's dissing who?

[rain sedge]

I have great need of it

[edgy arrow]

wait i recorded my 46 iirc

is it a problem if there's no audio?

[mossy zinc]

Nope. No one's gonna watch it anyway.

[sly remnant]

Nah my 50 didn't have audio

[waxen relic]

better than no hades-visuals i bet

[sly remnant]

I'll watch your 46

[tidal flame]

Are sound only runs accepted for leaderboard

Because vid only runs are ok

[gaunt fiber]

Only if the sound is from Halo

[edgy arrow]

sound only lmao

[mossy zinc]

I have one of those.

[rain sedge]

tbh

I dont have any video on the leaderboard

therefore my highest heat is 0

just like my name suggests

[gaunt fiber]

switch gamer life

[waxen relic]

faintly remembered exactly that

[gaunt fiber]

no phone recorded as the people wanted

[rain sedge]

well.... I could run a quick 54 hestia I guess

[tidal flame]

Switch players = automatic casuals

[rain sedge]

alright let me stream a few attempts for the recording

that'll get me to the leaderboard

[gaunt fiber]

Schad streaming

[mossy zinc]

No, it won't. You have to clear it to get on the board.

[tidal flame]

Imagine streaming

[waxen relic]

hmm if i lower the resolution to 144p can't i upload them in like 5 minutes?

[tidal flame]

Sure lul

[rain sedge]

so I stream on twitch

can I just

[tidal flame]

No

[rain sedge]

automatically get a recording?

[gaunt fiber]

No you can't

oh

Yes you can

[rain sedge]

like I check my previous vods and it's not there

[gaunt fiber]

prolly too old

[rain sedge]

okay

cool will run a cute hestia for a bit

[gaunt fiber]

But do you have the option on

[tidal flame]

It's temporary unless you do something

[gaunt fiber]

for recording runs on twitch

[edgy arrow]

just use a phone to record your twitch stream

best of both worlds

[gaunt fiber]

^

[tidal flame]

Lmao

[mossy zinc]

Plus, Astaos will gift you the game on Steam.

[gaunt fiber]

^

[tidal flame]

Context?

[mossy zinc]

No.

[tidal flame]

Yes.

[gaunt fiber]

Schad used to be a switch gamer. The main reason was he loved to savour the coolness of a beer in Hyde Park, where he currently lives. But the heat became unbearable : too many girls were after this hotness, interrupting his intense gaming. "I need to play on PC!" he said. But buying the game twice was a moral dilemma. Thus, the 50% gamer Astaos challenged him. Schad had one thing to do : record a high heat run with his phone, and the aforementionned 50% boyo would gift him the game on Steam.

[edgy arrow]

pretty sure that's exactly how it happened yeah

[gaunt fiber]

I have a good memory but I might have missed some details, thanks man

[rain sedge]

imagine living in hyde park

that's a yikes

not a single peaceful day in your life

the rest is accurate

ok I'm an idiot

I took off shackle forgetting I have no attack boon

what's wrong with me

[tidal flame]

That's wholesome lol

[mossy zinc]

It would be rude to disagree with your self-assessment.

[rain sedge]

the blue lernie head needs to be removed from the game

[mossy zinc]

Said the blue casual name.

I don't disagree.

Can you imagine a time when there was only one variant?

For the main head.

[rain sedge]

maybe that's the strat for high heat

find a save file with all you need unlocked but not yet where he gets different heads

[mossy zinc]

I don't recommend it.

You'll also have unnerfed Bruiser Snakestones.

[edgy arrow]

if you're doing that just downpatch to when the lernie skip was a thing lol

[rain sedge]

I mean

not downpatch

[edgy arrow]

oh yeah BP used to be wild huh

[rain sedge]

but he only gets different head after run # something right?

[edgy arrow]

oh really?

didn't actually know that

lol just work it out so its your tenth clear, then you don't have to fight dad either

[mossy zinc]

Oh right. I don't even think Lernie gets that if you just never make it that far.

[rain sedge]

I died from insane range just now

like I was on hestia-range and he slams the ground, and somehow it still hit me

I even had athena call I didnt use, I was that confident

[waxen relic]

If you're at Hestia range aren't you standing in the magma?

[mossy zinc]

That sounds like something Schad would do.

[rain sedge]

xD

[spiral island]

Hello again

So now that I’ve toiled through 16 heat, I’m trying 32 heat

I’m having trouble even getting through Tartarus

I probably just need to max Eris before I can do it

[waxen relic]

That means you're on the right track

[agile obsidian]

I think tartarus is one of the hardest in high heat

[sly remnant]

Retweet

[agile obsidian]

huh

[sly remnant]

I agree with you

[agile obsidian]

oh ok

I just do this

[shy gulch]

i dont think eris is particularly the easiest weapon for high heat ngl

like it works, but you dont need to use it and its not far and away the best, as it is for speed

[sly remnant]

Agree with croven

High heat meaning 45+ here

[full flame]

45+

wow...

i am at a humble 21

[true fable]

gotta start somewhere

[shy gulch]

i have run far away from high heat myself

[full flame]

i just can't seem to find the right satyr cave and my death defiance just gets depleted

[waxen relic]

if you're already at 21 you could try out Stubborn Defiance

[spiral island]

Stubborn Defiance

[waxen relic]

always mixing that up

thx

[spiral island]

It’s all good

[gaunt fiber]

My choice is sudden death

[spiral island]

My main issue with 32 heat so far is the 5 minute deadline

Everything needs to go perfectly in Tartarus or else I’m just gonna perish

And yes I’m going fast

Though I have to rip the run if I don’t get lightning strike

[gaunt fiber]

Not fast enough yet

[rain sedge]

eris is very good until 40, then it cliffs off fast

[spiral island]

Yeah

[rain sedge]

advice for 32 is pinned, might help

[gaunt fiber]

Take mid shop chaos gates etc

[rain sedge]

eris is the easiest weapon for 32

[spiral island]

I should try Chiron

[rain sedge]

chiron is the second easiest IMO

[shy gulch]

hestia is easiest

u just shoot

and win

ez

[spiral island]

I just need to get good, that’s the main thing

[rain sedge]

hmmm actually true

[shy gulch]

hestia is like chiron but actually good

[rain sedge]

oof

the chiron mains will get offended

oh wait, that's nobody because the aspect sucks at high heat

[shy gulch]

and? what'll they do about it? probably take 10 years to fire off one special

that'll do like 50

[gaunt fiber]

Chiron mains rise up

Anyone?

[spiral island]

Once I skipped Hermes’ dialogue and he said “yeah yeah”

[rain sedge]

I still can't believe that heart rend run wasnt even close

spitting snakes got me

[vital grove]

Zeus shield is the easiest

Well, Eris is up there definitely.

Maybe Eris 32, but Zeus for sure 40

[spiral island]

Well I like both

[shy gulch]

hestia easiest

gun go pew

[spiral island]

The classic reload to do cool stuff gun

Which is nice because I compulsively reload

[rain sedge]

delta chamber gamers rise up

[gaunt fiber]

Schad rises and that's about it

[spiral island]

Yeah

[rain sedge]

when I take the eris world record it'll be with delta chamber

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah we know

[rain sedge]

I should've done it when the special is still 8s

damn

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah sometimes the wait for patch strategy has its flaws

[spiral island]

What is delta chamber?

[rain sedge]

infinite ammo but somewhat slower

[spiral island]

Oh yeah that

Me no like

[rain sedge]

at high (50+) heat it matters quite a bit

I'd take delta chamber over anything except cluster rockets I think

[spiral island]

You can’t guarantee a Daedalus though

[gaunt fiber]

Do you think speedrunning could help your reload management Schad

Actually Eris any heat is quite melee

[vital grove]

Reload while firing special what's the problem

[spiral island]

Exactly

Eris moment

[vital grove]

Play Hestia for reload practice

[spiral island]

Seems like everyone loves Hestia

[rain sedge]

I do "speedrun" remember

[spiral island]

“Speedrun”

[rain sedge]

it's only 9 minute which is amateur time for the good people

[spiral island]

Haha yes

[gaunt fiber]

It's nice

[vital grove]

You do know Lily is a cyborg right

From the future

[spiral island]

5 minutes is just fast land

You go fast or die

[rain sedge]

even astaos is faster than me

[gaunt fiber]

Oof

[rain sedge]

well he is a bot

[vital grove]

Cybot

[gaunt fiber]

E V E N

[rain sedge]

xD

[gaunt fiber]

I'd like to have one dialogue like this

E V E N
"Schad, what are you doing? Even Astaos is faster than that"

[spiral island]

Imagine if Hermes showed up more often the faster you go

[gaunt fiber]

Runs would be broken

[spiral island]

Yup

Since I am destined by the fates to complete this game, I must do 32 heat.

I refuse to use god mode

I never have

[vital grove]

Between you and me

That's the right attitude

[spiral island]

Cool

[vital grove]

32 isn't that hard, you'll get it.

[spiral island]

Yeah, just need to practice

[shy gulch]

just need to practice (and use hestia)

[spiral island]

Yeah yeah I’m hearin’ ya

[vital grove]

Getting good with Zeus shield is worthwhile thing will carry you a loooong way

[spiral island]

I’ve already done that

[vital grove]

It doesn't much care about JS3, it can go very very fast for TD3, it is super safe with block and offense at the same time

[spiral island]

Doom special on Zeus is fantastic

[vital grove]

Not on high heat

You want Artemis or Zeus

[spiral island]

Hmm

Alright

[vital grove]

Zeus shield is absurd with Zeus Special, every single hit procs the effect

[spiral island]

Woah

That’s nuts

[shy gulch]

yeah zeus special goes hard

[spiral island]

And I thought Doom was nuts

[gaunt fiber]

Doom still great at 32

And very fast

[vital grove]

You can just doom attack

[obsidian marlin]

Wait what there is hestia in the game my game saves was deleted by my brother

[shy gulch]

yeah hestia is one of the rail aspects

[vital grove]

If you lost your save

[gaunt fiber]

Just got flashback from long ago

Siblings and saves

[obsidian marlin]

That's a good idea

[vital grove]

You can download a save

[obsidian marlin]

Nah its better to play again its worth it

[spiral island]

Does Achilles give you the last companion?

[gaunt fiber]

The best companion

[spiral island]

Aha

Achilles is a cool guy

Plus he’s gay

Even cooler

[obsidian marlin]

Dusa is the best companion or hades

[rain sedge]

When I play with Achilles companion I pretend it's a companion Astaos instead of Antos

[dire steppe]

when i talk to astaos i pretend he's not there

[gaunt fiber]

We've come a long way Schad

It used to be

[rain sedge]

We're canonically friends now

[gaunt fiber]

"Yuck I misread Astaos"

[rain sedge]

We can be the next peach and Tyler

[gaunt fiber]

Can you elaborate

[dire steppe]

i cannot

[gaunt fiber]

Lmao

[dire steppe]

i'm like the boon that extends weak duration

[gaunt fiber]

Reminds of someone

F

[rain sedge]

Useless but always shows up?

[hardy rock]

gonna be my first 32 heat run what else should I add on?

oh cant post pics

sadge

[gaunt fiber]

Pinned

And upload on imgur

[shy plinth]

You're empty inside?

[gaunt fiber]

Ridiculous Hat coming clutch with the knowledge of the boons

[shy plinth]

That knowledge of aphrodite's tier 2s will certainly come in handy some day

[gaunt fiber]

They're all so sad

[shy plinth]

What about that blown kiss tho

[dire steppe]

I take physical delivery on my kiss contracts

[shy plinth]

But... hera bow

[dire steppe]

No long range shots for me

[shy plinth]

Oh this is a question

Can you get blown kiss with passion flare

I think no

[gaunt fiber]

Nope

[upbeat ravine]

no

[shy plinth]

Dang

[dire steppe]

i dont know how to use snow burst on hera bow tbh

[daring hedge]

just zoom past enemies while loading

[upbeat ravine]

xd

[dire steppe]

would it be better if it just like

activated when the main cast does

[upbeat ravine]

snow burst always feels awkward

to me

[dire steppe]

or worse

[shy plinth]

Just play as though you have point blank shot

[gaunt fiber]

Killing exalted souls while loading your casts is amazing

[dire steppe]

Bold of you to assume I make it to elysium

[true fable]

snow burst is fantastic

[daring hedge]

yeah like

it doesn't slow you down at all

it's super nice easy damage you get just while moving around and doing your thing you normally do with cast aspects

[true fable]

you know whats super funny

high heat survival rooms

try doing 50 heat without tight deadline

it's absolute hell

[rain sedge]

What

How did you even get to that point?

Follow goal? 50 without TD?

[true fable]

nah i did a 32 heat one

without tight deadline

because of randomization

[daring hedge]

wait yeah i don't think i've ever done no TD with BP1/2

do BP enemies spawn in survival rooms

[gaunt fiber]

witch gang coming up

[rain sedge]

this sounds super scary

like 3 cloner witches is enough to end a run in a bad room orientation

[mossy zinc]

2*

[true fable]

they do

its super nuts

[gaunt fiber]

IGT ultimate strat tho

[opal token]

Zeus special on Chaos shield is good?

I guess the question really is what’s the play pattern with Chaos shield

Do I just bull rush special times infinity

Also do the 5 shields shotgun?

[mossy zinc]

Yes and yes.

But shotgunning with Thunder Flourish isn't gonna do that much.

It's only gonna proc once.

If you plan to shotgun, you're better off with Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish.

Or even Tempest Flourish.

Tempest Flourish is actually really good if you can also get Sea Storm, because you'll have the room-clear that Thunder Flourish normally gives you and the shotgun power from Tempest Flourish's high % mod.

[opal token]

Nice. So basically just bull rush spam forever

[mossy zinc]

Yup.

[opal token]

I’ve reached the 24x32 point of playing aspects I hate and/or have never really used lol

[mossy zinc]

Just start with the Eternal Rose on everything. That's what I did.

[opal token]

That’s Dio’s keepsake right? Oh no sorry it’s Ares. 😉

[rain sedge]

you've done 24x32?

that's impressive, congrats!

[mossy zinc]

It's Prince Zagreus's keepsake, given to him by Lady Aphrodite.

[dire steppe]

but you’re not allowed in this channel until you’ve done 24x40

[rain sedge]

didn't stop you

[dire steppe]

ive done 24 aspects at 40 minutes

[gaunt fiber]

oof

I want to watch some Eris high heat @rain sedge

[mossy zinc]

@rain sedge please be kind.

1. Be kind.

[sly remnant]

I cannot talk in this channel

[shy plinth]

🙊

[mossy zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/selena-gomez-idk-shrug-oh-well-i-guess-gif-10213731

[wanton plover]

i like that gif

[rain sedge]

I mean it's quite boring, it's just tartarus reset

[rain sedge]

says nya 😮

[mossy zinc]

Thank you. 💗

[gaunt fiber]

Life is tartarus

[rain sedge]

the furies become really hard on eris 56

on hestia 54 it's quite a breeze

[shy gulch]

yeah playing with hestia was the easiest ive ever felt the furies were at high heat

i died to the furies many times w other weapons but hestia kinda makes it a breeze

[rain sedge]

meg becomes really hard for me

at least alecto has certain avoidable windups on a ranged weapon

[analog olive]

so I've mostly played on god mode but have turned it off and cleared two levels of heat without it. Do you guys recommend building up heat in one weapon to get used to it, or try doing each weapon for each heat level so it doesn't feel like a stark difference? I've done a level 6 lucifer rail gun run and then a level 1 heat fists run and it felt completely different.

[gaunt fiber]

The way you like. I went the first way you mentionned. I built up heat on GY only, it made me better at the game because I learnt the fundamentals (enemy behavior etc)

[shy gulch]

yeah everyone's different, and all i can say is how i did it. i basically went one by one on ~3 different weapons up to 20 heat to get all the bounties i needed

[rain sedge]

you do not build up heat on GY only

[shy gulch]

then jumped a bit

[rain sedge]

you did 40 heat on all weapons

[gaunt fiber]

yeah but my practice was GY

[rain sedge]

I guess that half life practice makes you good

[gaunt fiber]

I went like 32 GY - 40 GY - 32 all weaps - 40 all aspects

yeah it helps

[analog olive]

ok cool! Thanks! When I told my wife I beat it without God mode she just said "finally!" Lol

[gaunt fiber]

lmao

[rain sedge]

it's cool that you got a wife that supports you in gaming

but yeah, turn off god mode if you want to get better. But there's no shame in playing games just for the story and fun

this game has a great story IMO

[dire steppe]

it’s cool that you beat your wife without god mode

[gaunt fiber]

imagine having a gf that hates it

[rain sedge]

yours complain you play too much?

[analog olive]

I'm sure I'll be popping in here a lot to see what you guys are doing! I can't imagine playing at those high levels yet lol

[gaunt fiber]

Nah I'm fine I'm free now

[dire steppe]

now okay i have some perspective from the other end of this bargain

[rain sedge]

....idk if that's good or bad man

[shy gulch]

trust me, none of us imagined it until we got here

[gaunt fiber]

me neither

[shy gulch]

its not an instant thing

[analog olive]

thanks everyone! Off to tackle some more! 😄

[dire steppe]

a friend of mine is involved with this guy who definitely is a GaMeR type

[rain sedge]

feel free to ask questions, but keep in mind that this channel is usually to discuss high heat (starts at 32, discussion here usually revolves at 40/50+) so advice might have varying mileage for you

good luck!

[dire steppe]

the whole stereotypical toxic moba/fps/minecraft player who plays for 13 hours on end

[rain sedge]

general gameplay/heat advice is also pinned, might be applicable to low heat.... maybe

[shy gulch]

imagine playing 40+ heat who would do that to themselves

am i right

[rain sedge]

imagine grinding RNG to get high heat for internet clout

yikes imagine

[dire steppe]

and given the amount of time people do in fact play video games for... it’s not always unreasonable to be given flak for it

[gaunt fiber]

I've done so many stupid builds at 40 now

[rain sedge]

wait croven, you're a speedrunner

even worse :3

[shy gulch]

LUL i have forsaken the land of high heat

i'll come back....eventually

[rain sedge]

24x40 is fun

[shy gulch]

yeah thats the project i want to do

[rain sedge]

I can't remember if you've done it

[shy gulch]

i did 24x32

[dire steppe]

no, 24x40 is 960

[rain sedge]

it's a huge difficulty gap for some weapons

[shy gulch]

24x32 was more doable than i thought

40 will be big tho

8 heat is not an easy jump

[rain sedge]

like for the top tier weapons it doesn't feel much of a difference

[gaunt fiber]

F Rigged

[rain sedge]

like that 8 heat felt free for eris and hestia for example

but at cast weapons it felt bad

[shy gulch]

i still havent even done 6x45 actually

[dire steppe]

wdym asty

[shy gulch]

which i need to do

[rain sedge]

it felt really bad at swords

[shy gulch]

i ragequit after i realized playing sword on my keybinds was impossible

[gaunt fiber]

pretty sure Rigged has done it

[shy gulch]

what

[rain sedge]

I saw this BS on brighto's strim

[shy gulch]

LMAO

hey it works fine for most weapons

but sword was demonic

[rain sedge]

it doesnt man

[dire steppe]

i have done it, it’s 270

[gaunt fiber]

@dire steppe your time to shine

nice

[shy gulch]

im proud that i got sword to 40 heat with those binds

[rain sedge]

how far off are you from 6x45?

[shy gulch]

but i will never again play sword like that

just sword and fists

[rain sedge]

I'm proud of you doing anything with those binds

[shy gulch]

fists ive gotten extremely close with multiple times, just died to dad

[dire steppe]

ive also done 6 weapons sub 45 minutes

[shy gulch]

sword i didnt get past aspho

LOL

[rain sedge]

if I got serious about 6x45 I think I'd ask @mossy zinc for fist advice probably

[mossy zinc]

@gaunt fiber played Real Hades™️ 1 Heat at a time and eventually played Casual Hades with +100% HP just to make you all look bad and do 40 Heat all aspects, but now he's going back to Real Hades™️ with the only canon aspect Guan Yu. That's what real gamers do.

Super casuals play Eris.

[shy gulch]

i honestly think fists are easier than sword

[rain sedge]

but I'm not interested in ugly numbers like 45

[shy gulch]

your attacks have a lot of mobility and such

[rain sedge]

6x50 or bust

[shy gulch]

whereas something like the sword special

leaves you vulnerable a lot

[rain sedge]

this but unironically

[gaunt fiber]

That's actually very accurate Nyaanyaa

[shy gulch]

no super casuals play hestia for high heat

the actual crutch

[rain sedge]

I removed the "super" because I did 24x40

talking about that....

where's crepes?

[shy gulch]

👀

[rain sedge]

I havent seen him in a while

[shy gulch]

i think crepes is mostly done w this game

[rain sedge]

ah

[shy gulch]

from what bright told me

[gaunt fiber]

I'll be the last one standing

[halcyon flame]

chiron

[rain sedge]

I think baj is also on a break for high heat

being barrel-rolled gives PTSD apparently

[mossy zinc]

So for Malphon advice for 45: You should take the Eternal Rose for the entire run.

[gaunt fiber]

Baj has fallen in the speedrun pit

very deep

[shy gulch]

and im glad for it

[rain sedge]

I don't even get that

[shy gulch]

he's seriously doing some wonders with zeus shield

[halcyon flame]

weak is p nice for malphon

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah

that's it for my answer

[rain sedge]

I think you should finish 6x45 croven

you're close

[gaunt fiber]

My problem with any heat is that I don't have to use all the "skills" needed for high heat

[rain sedge]

a splitting bolt on fist and you'd finish it

[gaunt fiber]

it's like

not the real game

[shy gulch]

i am but im just much more invested in speedrunning atm

[rain sedge]

:/

okay

[shy gulch]

i might try an attempt here or there but i dont think im gonna make a push for it until i feel like it

im basically just gonna do what i feel like

and right now: that is not high heat

[gaunt fiber]

but tbh

Guan Yu high confidence is fun

even at any heat

[shy gulch]

also astaos i found that i needed more skills for any heat than high heat actually

speedrunning forced me to be much more efficient with my DPS and movement and such

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah

[shy gulch]

high heat all i needed to do was survive, which you can do without being perfectly efficient or anything

like speedrunning is training me for high heat

not the other way around

[gaunt fiber]

I did not have this problem since GY struggles to go fast without boons or hammer

[rain sedge]

my problem with speedrunning any heat is that it's like going to vegas, rolling a slot machine 100 times, and hoping you'd win 90+ of the time to get your PB/WR

[shy gulch]

i feel much more adept at zeus shield now that ive speedrun it, than when i did high ehat with it

[rain sedge]

the one with most luck wins

[shy gulch]

yeah luck is definitely huge but its not as huge if ur not extremely good

which: i am not

[rain sedge]

like... sub 9 is skill dependent, PB/WR is not

[shy gulch]

WR u need skill and luck

sure

[gaunt fiber]

Like I want Lili to grind heat

[rain sedge]

to get WR/aspect WR at any speedrun, you'd need massive amount of luck

[shy gulch]

but u can make the same case for high heat at that point

[gaunt fiber]

His Eris is beauty

[shy gulch]

well yeah i said "if ur not extremely good"

[mossy zinc]

All of my runs nowadays are either how I can make an even better Lady Aphrodite build on this aspect or messing around with different ideas for challenges.

[shy gulch]

the ppl getting WRs are extremely good

[rain sedge]

yeah I don't doubt that

it's just

[gaunt fiber]

Are you getting back on the heat grind/mirrorless soon?

[rain sedge]

there's a high skill floor you have to reach, but after that, it's all luck dependent

[shy gulch]

high heat felt similar enough to me gambling the dice on what hammers i get or such

that it didnt feel too different

nobodys denying the luck but theres a lot to be done in speedrunning regardless for me

[rain sedge]

like the nemesis 4:28 routed is basically what all speedrunners ultimately aim for

[shy gulch]

which is why i continue to do it

[rain sedge]

and they roll the slot machine continuously in the hope of getting as close to it as possible

[gaunt fiber]

except if no one plays the category/aspect

[rain sedge]

I don't get it. But that's fine.

[shy gulch]

LUL

[rain sedge]

get the malphon heat WR

[mossy zinc]

@gaunt fiber I don't have any such plans in the immediate future. Dunno. Maybe when I feel like it.

[halcyon flame]

if someone does the owo category how long would they hold the wr

[shy gulch]

like personally i would get more annoyed if there was no improvement basically

[gaunt fiber]

I'll motivate you

[rain sedge]

nevermind retrash did a 55 demeter

[shy gulch]

but i can clearly see how bad im playing and how to optimize my play

im just working on how i play and the rng will fall in place as i go

[rain sedge]

I think this is the point right

like you understand that there's skill improvement to be made, so that's still fun

[shy gulch]

yes and im saying you can basically make the same case for high heat

[rain sedge]

it's not like, you're just rolling for more free rooms

[gaunt fiber]

Ronnie did Spear OwO

[rain sedge]

I get that, but I feel high heat without AP2 has a larger skill component

[gaunt fiber]

that's great

I like that dude

[shy gulch]

well sure without AP2, but then ur not super high. thats like a parallel to idk, sub 10 in speedrunning

[rain sedge]

like... ok 40 heat was like maybe 85-15 skill to luck ratio for most aspects

[shy gulch]

which you can do without rng

[rain sedge]

50 heat is maybe 75-25

that 60 run by king maybe 60-40

but speedrun WR is like, 20-80

[shy gulch]

i mean at this point how much does the distinction really matter if i can clearly tell theres improvement to be made

[rain sedge]

exactly, I'm agreeing with you on that point

[rain sedge]

this one

what's your PB btw croven?

[shy gulch]

7:43

[rain sedge]

for time

holy hell

[shy gulch]

thats with eris so its not that impressive

[rain sedge]

ok I am not expecting that

[gaunt fiber]

Pretty sure I can beat that next week Croven

come on

[shy gulch]

with GY?

[rain sedge]

LMFAO

[gaunt fiber]

[rain sedge]

astaos pls

[gaunt fiber]

lmao

[shy gulch]

if u beat that with GY

i will be mighty impressed

[rain sedge]

true, anything with eris is half as impressive

[gaunt fiber]

Sub 8 GY is a hellish grind

[shy gulch]

like i can definitely get a better eris time

i didnt play it too much, i have a LOT to work on

[gaunt fiber]

I won't get into that

[shy gulch]

i'm prob gonna grind eris soon actually im just trying to get sub 8 zeus shield and sub 9 poseidon sword atm

[rain sedge]

that's a fair goal

[shy gulch]

but i want to get into 3weps which requires me to be confident in my eris play

which i am: not.

[rain sedge]

3 weaps is like...

even more RNG fest

[shy gulch]

nah

[rain sedge]

and it starts with a flurry jab reset

[shy gulch]

RTA is not as heavily influenced by rng

[rain sedge]

issa no for me

[shy gulch]

i mean if u want to go that route

im not sure what my lineup will be yet

any heat is much more optimized than 3weps

atm

though ananke's 3weps WR is pretty brazy lmfao

[gaunt fiber]

I got a boyo

practicing 3 weaps

I gave him the love of GY

[rain sedge]

didn't know masochism is contagious

[gaunt fiber]

Love is contagious

GY is nothing but love

[shy gulch]

is it though

[gaunt fiber]

Don't you dare question that

[rain sedge]

I wanna ask something about you astaos but I think it's NSFW and I'll get banned by wyght

so I'm gonna nod and move along

[gaunt fiber]

Nah I'm not into it

[rain sedge]

ok because uh that was gonna be my guess

cool

[gaunt fiber]

You actually serious lmao

[rain sedge]

unironically tho

[gaunt fiber]

oof

[rain sedge]

ok let's move away from the ban hammer

so real talk astaos

[gaunt fiber]

sure mate

[rain sedge]

when are you gonna do that GY 50

[gaunt fiber]

well

[rain sedge]

what are you waiting for

[gaunt fiber]

Small break from the game

[rain sedge]

like your skill level must be very sufficient for it now

[gaunt fiber]

any heat was tough for nerves

Yeah I think I'm good enough

[rain sedge]

definitely

just enough charged skewer and AP resets

[gaunt fiber]

When do you want me to start

[rain sedge]

I'm assuming you're not eating DC2

so it's AP1

[gaunt fiber]

DC2 is nope

[rain sedge]

just @ me when you start

[gaunt fiber]

kk

[rain sedge]

@ us actually

I'm sure we'll all have a watching party

[shy gulch]

and high heat isnt as rng heavy LUL

im playing

[rain sedge]

but it's GY 😦

[shy gulch]

yeah thats

a fair argument

[rain sedge]

I mean

[shy gulch]

GY stinky

send tweet

[gaunt fiber]

I won't reset for charge skewer

[rain sedge]

I'm a hypocrite since eris 56 is resetting for lightning strike on AP2

[gaunt fiber]

until my mind breaks

[shy gulch]

i dont know how it hasnt already, playing like 500 hours of GY

thats true love

[gaunt fiber]

see

the toughest part was my first 40

it was two weeks of tartarus

it was actually hell

[sly remnant]

My 40 heat took like a day but I play good aspects

[gaunt fiber]

I was dumb

AP1 DC1 trying to charged skewer somehow

lil astaos without a brain

[onyx venture]

[torn vapor]

[rain sedge]

monkaS

[halcyon flame]

is hydralite affected by lc4?

going 32 heat and i'm midway through elysium right now

[sly remnant]

Yes it is

Its a bad tool tip that it doesn't tell you it breaks it

[halcyon flame]

well damn

i'm at 110 health and my only source of healing is centaur hearts 😃

dio or athena aren't here so i'm absolutely forced to rely on sd and actually playing decently to survive

oh damn i didn't even think about touch of styx

patty the mvp

got heart rend and divine dash

only one minute left after elysium so not quite winning yet

if i get anything more than a 3 sack then well i'm doomed

[gaunt fiber]

Dw

Maths are with you

[halcyon flame]

got the dd

if i run out of time i'll at least still have some time thanks to me stockpiling on these hearts

ayyy 2 sack

[sly remnant]

You got this. Go kill your father

[halcyon flame]

I DID

THE THING

#h1-victory-boasting

FIRST TRY 32 HEAT LMAO

[sly remnant]

Congrats!

[shy gulch]

poggers

congrats

[shrewd relic]

Has anyone actually done maximum heat?

[dire steppe]

no

[shrewd relic]

I maxed the heat so I could quickly fulfill a bunch of the epilogue requirements by getting sent back to the House over and over

[halcyon flame]

the highest heat that's been done is 60 heat

[shrewd relic]

not 63?

[halcyon flame]

that's one way of going about it

63 heat is more intense than either of us think trust me

[dire steppe]

you don't want to take routine inspection 4

you lose your stuboorn defiance

[halcyon flame]

lc4 and no sd for example

[shrewd relic]

I recently unlocked the first useless trinket, and that's as far as I am

[shy gulch]

RI4 is the biggie

very painful

[halcyon flame]

i can't imagine lc4 and hl5 with no sd

[shy gulch]

i can see 62 being done soonish, but 63/64 looks like it will take a WHILE, if its ever done

[daring hedge]

yeah, 62's difficulty is taking everything hard about 60 and slapping a "you have to find greatest reflex with AP2 or use shield" requirement on top

then 64 is straight up you are not allowed to make any mistakes mode

[rain sedge]

king can't be that far from 62

or baj since he's a shield boi

for the 63, I had this "idea" about LC3 and RI4... at least that way there's some healing

idk tho I'm just a casual

[halcyon flame]

does hl affect skelly?

like if i summon skelly with hl5 on does he also take double damage

[daring hedge]

i think so yeah

[rain sedge]

are you gonna grind 62 tail?

[crimson radish]

no SD is just painful

[onyx venture]

Just don't get hit

[crimson radish]

thanks hypnos

i can barely beat hades without any DD

[edgy arrow]

RI4 isn’t too bad if you’re not doing much other heat

[opal token]

Besides Crush Shot, what else do I want on Hera?
Divine dash bc why not

Just cast chaos boons and Poms?

[crimson radish]

also cold take

EM2 is easier than no EM

smaller arena

easier to damage multiple hydra

[edgy arrow]

yup

that’s why speedrunners use it

[crimson radish]

i don't even notice EM1 too

fight is identical

EM4 is the only EM that is actually difficult

[edgy arrow]

lol

[crimson radish]

EM3 is pretty fun but barely any more difficult

honestly i wish they could be a wee bit tougher

[edgy arrow]

it’s way slower

[crimson radish]

yeah

[edgy arrow]

slower = more difficult with TD

[crimson radish]

i can't do 7 min TD

it takes me time to decide where to go lol

i also fish no matter what

[edgy arrow]

pause the game when you’re making choices

[crimson radish]

when i start doing speedruns I'll stop fishing but that's about it

[edgy arrow]

and the IGT doesn’t tick when you’re fishing so that’s fine

[crimson radish]

do any speedrunners take their sweet time when the IGT is paused?

if it's ranked by IGT I don't see why not

[edgy arrow]

depends on the category, but for any heat yeah they do

mostly

currently wr has a very fast RTA as well tho

[crimson radish]

i don't wanna miss any dialogue

im 50 hours in

the only character who regularly repeats dialogue is hypnos

[onyx venture]

Yeah, it's fine to take your time and listen to dialog if you aren't trying for RTA

[edgy arrow]

most speedrunners skip dialogue because they’ve seen it before, but you don’t have to and it doesn’t hurt you at all to read it

[crimson radish]

yay

thank god for IGT

i had the worst luck with TD last run

ended up twenty because of stupid sack

[edgy arrow]

sub 10 hard

[crimson radish]

and i got hit with good ole

tiny vermin

tiny vermin is just

run over

[warm moth]

I never pick the doors with the skulls in Styx. They are optional, unless you feel like you need the upgraded reward. Just do the 3 non-skull doors and you'll always get the sack on either the 2nd or 3rd door and not have to deal with tiny vermin

[true fable]

snow burst very good

same with tidal dash, artemis attack

mirage shot always good

[opal token]

Thanks!

[sly remnant]

Parting shot is a decent alternative too if you get forced into athena

[opal token]

Dumb question: parting shot adds your backstab dmg to your cast but you still have to backstab with it, yes?

[spiral island]

Nope

It's just added onto the damage

No backstab required

[shy plinth]

Hrm

I'm not sure if that's true

[onyx venture]

I'm pretty certain the last time I had it that I had to backstab to get the damage

[shy plinth]

The wording is very confusing

[onyx venture]

I could be wrong though

[shy plinth]

Yeah, I believe it basically means "your casts can backstab and do 35% bonus damage if they do"

Also I believe on hera bow that athena cast always backstabs?

[onyx venture]

My understanding is all backstab is increased by 35%, but also your casts can backstab

[shy plinth]

Ah that makes sense

[rain sedge]

This is the correct one

[rain sedge]

This is not

[shy plinth]

And hera bow just makes some weird exceptions right

[spiral island]

Wait what

[shy plinth]

Specifically I know about phalanx shot

[spiral island]

Ok that's cool

[rain sedge]

No idea about this one, but doubt it

I know beo piercing shot have some weird behaviour

[shy plinth]

There's something weird about it for sure, I know Haelian did a video on it

Yeah Beo too

[rain sedge]

Unsure about PS specifically

[shy plinth]

Though obv no parting shot on beo anyway

https://youtu.be/dwjYyF1jvZU?t=1321

Yeah check out this hades fight

The vague explanation I've got is that for some reason phalanx shot on hera bow counts as a backstab

[rain sedge]

That bow does do weird things

Remember crush shot on it before it got fixed?

[shy plinth]

It was so wonky

We had it messed up on switch the whole time too

[rain sedge]

I remember playing on switch

[spiral island]

I play on both PC and Switch

KB&M as well as controller

I can do either or

[edgy arrow]

this is correct. i made a clip proving this a while back:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfyfQD-8ihc

[rain sedge]

I just tested it

the athena cast doesnt always backstab

[shy plinth]

Woah there

The matrix

[rain sedge]

but.... its backstabbing from weird places

[shy plinth]

On hera bow?

[rain sedge]

yeah

[shy plinth]

Yeah the angles are strange

[rain sedge]

like

[shy plinth]

Like I think the cast actually passes through on hit?

So a hit from the back may not actually be a backstab

[rain sedge]

its not synchronous with the attack backstab

[shy plinth]

Hrm

[rain sedge]

unlike other casts

sometimes only one backstabs

sometimes both

but only memers or high rollers play athena cast on hera anyway

so doesnt matter

maybe ping amir about the bug, but its so niche

[shy gulch]

athena cast is weird with backstabs yeah

it used to be that you could backstab from the front with it on hera i think

not sure if u can still do that

[rain sedge]

it did that for me

[edgy arrow]

i'm not sure i've ever taken athena's cast on hera

[mossy zinc]

You should report bugs with F10 in the game. Don't ping.

If you ping Amir, he'll ask you to F10 it please next time lol.

[rain sedge]

I guess I work in a company where user bug report gets ignored 99.99% of the time

does amir even read all the F10s? There's a lot of people playing this game

it's really popular because of all the GOTYs

[onyx venture]

Generally speaking the QA team reads F10s

And I don't think the majority of players use the bug report feature, especially if they weren't in early access

[rain sedge]

I see, that makes sense

I'll report it next time I play phalanx shot hera

[mossy zinc]

👍🏽

[rain sedge]

how's the 40 going wight?

[onyx venture]

Taking a break to mess around in the barrel roll challenge

Honestly I just need basic practice at this point, I've very rusty

[rain sedge]

barrel roll challenge 🦊

[onyx venture]

I'll resume 40 attempts soon

[rain sedge]

oh my god it's a real thing

and the fox made it

he's becoming self-aware

[shy plinth]

In a way you can think of this as the puppy challenge

Because no matter what, at the end, we'll just be chasing our tail

[rain sedge]

is that... a double entendre on how in the end we'll all be chasing tailesque in the end?

because if yes it's a damn good one

[shy plinth]

Yes

It is

[rain sedge]

you look more delicious every day with how smart you are

[shy plinth]

Eep

I will choose to take that as a terrifying compliment

[rain sedge]

🍽️ 🎩 🌶️

[shy plinth]

I am quite muy caliente

[rain sedge]

that spreadsheeting skills does add a certain spiciness to the hat

[shy plinth]

Y'all have no idea how many spreadsheets I run too

[rain sedge]

my guess is accountant or a consultant

[shy plinth]

Nah