#h1-high-heat-strategies

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north dove
true fable
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dang youre on a tear today huh

north dove
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died to dad twice, I'm a bit rusty

true fable
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LOL

warm osprey
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Dude I suck ass at the fight

true fable
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dedge breaching too

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👀

north dove
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this run got some god luck

true fable
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yeah that looks pretty

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count me jealous mr trash

solemn pulsar
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I got tons of poseidon and athena call though so I can't really complain about the 4 sack

true fable
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o pog

solemn pulsar
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when beo gets schmovin it sure is fun

true fable
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FTFY

solemn pulsar
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true. With epic breaking + hydraulic, i was clearing entire styx rooms with one attack, before even charging up the bull rush. it was scary

true fable
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its insane lol

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beo in styx is such a cakewalk

solemn pulsar
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i feel like there's some unintended interaction because they just start ping ponging around

true fable
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just gotta make it there

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nah thats intended

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search breaking wave in speedtech in the speed discord

solemn pulsar
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i almost took pulverizing blow when it was offered but I figured that cancels out the breaking wave off of attack/bull rush

true fable
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yeah its tough

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@daring hedge YOU HIGHLIGHTED MY COMMENT LMAO

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im dead

daring hedge
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i just did the like thing

unreal pasture
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poseidon sword pretty damn good aspect

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Also... it seemed like breaking wave has an ICD... I didn't see it proc a ton of times on a demeter 5x

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yes

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It is multiplicative in that case. So 200%->140%

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And further DRs are also multiplicative

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So if you have arthur + weak 200%->120%(.7)->80 some odd %?

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I'm lazy

shy gulch
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oh i didnt know that

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thats interesting

north dove
shy gulch
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goddamn

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zeus attack guan yu is something I never would’ve thought of actually

north dove
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the build was pretty good honestly, much better before I had to sell double strike but still

shy gulch
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did you intentionally go for zeus attack?

north dove
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started coin purse and the first god was zeus so I took it

shy gulch
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ah the classic coin purse start

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why do u prefer that over a specific keepsake

north dove
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because it's fun just rolling with the gods the game offers you

shy gulch
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valid

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not sure if I can do that at 45 but yeah that’s fair

shy gulch
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oh god bright wasnt kidding, quality of my twitch to yt export is horrendous lmao

edgy arrow
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so i finally got around to watching Tail’s 60, and he went tooth for elysium?

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didn’t know that was a thing

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is that the meta now?

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guess it’s to tank those harder elysium rooms

north dove
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elysium tooth is meta yeah

trim sigil
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Thonk

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What'd warrant such a change tbh?

shy gulch
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man im bad at zag sword

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got arty attack, athena dash, double edge, and deadly reversal in tartarus

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just to die to meg

true fable
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zeus attack GY is phenomenal

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also happy holidays yall

shy gulch
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im gonna try it out after this run im doing rn

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happy holidays mr bright zero one

true fable
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dont know if thats been said yet in this chaos zone of the sgg discord

true fable
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i feel like i usually get offered charged or serrated first

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so i dont usually end up with that combo

north dove
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I anviled serrated away squirtdevious

true fable
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the people's champ

unreal pasture
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so did baj discover that family favorite was broken or ...? what was the deal there?

true fable
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good q

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i should test that again w fam fav on

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my mirrorless run was consistent through all rarity and pom levels

vital grove
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Happy holidays all

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What's this about fam fave being broken?

gentle bridge
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man, i giga titled today, couldnt even do an 20 heat dem fists to farm bounty

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was trying to get bounty 20 using pos sword, somehow went on a 5 run losing streak. sad times

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poseidon and achilles are the only aspects i havent cleared with. tilts me to no end

shy gulch
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yeah that happens

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prob best to just chill and do something else at that point

gentle bridge
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yeah not my day right now hahaha

gentle bridge
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finally got it. just had to eat dinner lol

btw, what constitutes as "high heat" here? 20? 32? 12?

shy gulch
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honestly idk if there’s really a strict line

gentle bridge
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i figured its more of those interested in challenging themselves via the pact

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than any discrete number. could be wrong tho

mossy zinc
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There isn't, but it's mostly 32+ that we discuss here, and for a lot of us, 32 is just memery where you can do whatever you want.

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High heat leaderboard is open to submissions at 32+.

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Mainly because there are still some interesting challenges at 32 like mirrorless.

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Though Tailesque raised the bar for that one a lot.

gentle bridge
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ooh i see. so i could submit my 32 runs (tho therye just screenshots and not vids)

shy gulch
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it’ll just be in the win screen only page but yeah

gentle bridge
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i consider tailesque a higher level being at this point

solemn pulsar
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I get it, because of heat

tardy path
cinder cave
formal gust
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so I am going to try to start doing 40 heat all aspects, rolling a random name picker each time to decide the next one

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guess what I rolled first

unreal pasture
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zag spear

formal gust
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ding ding ding

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yup

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literally the worst possible thing

unreal pasture
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My pessimism knows no bounds

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So I always assume the worst

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Next will be zag sword

formal gust
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well at least I will be getting a hard one out of the way

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I would do better with zag sword definitely

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sigh so what should I do for this

mossy zinc
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Dash build? Cast build? Merciful End?

formal gust
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I mean pact

mossy zinc
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RI4 because you'll do no damage anyway so what's the difference. squirtnya

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RI4 EM4 JS3 CP2 DC2 TD3.

true fable
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LOL

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i would just take terrible room pacts and TD2 cin

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it's safe

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and reliable

mossy zinc
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TD3 Zagratha sounds unfun.

true fable
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zagratha zaglol

formal gust
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How much do you even use special when you get flurry

true fable
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never

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ive never hit special on zag spear and i never will

formal gust
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The special is so laggy

true fable
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i think retrash sometimes does it if he gets like chain + something else

daring hedge
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Chain is great for normal encounters and utterly worthless for bosses barring lernie head phases

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Also happy holidays!!

formal gust
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I should probably be more patient

cinder cave
true fable
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happy holidays fox man

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cin rolled it for the first weapon of his 40 heat all aspects

formal gust
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I decided to try 40 heat all aspects, rolled a name picker and got

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Zag shield

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Spear

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I wish I got zag shield

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Lmao I keep dying at furies

mossy zinc
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Just get Charged Skewer > Exploding Launcher and survive until then.

true fable
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dying at furies is a high heat classic

mossy zinc
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Cast > Dash-Strike x2 is a good rotation.

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Special > Dash-Strike x2 if you have Exploding Launcher.

true fable
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i personally like just getting flurry jab and holding down on the attack button

shy gulch
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mood

formal gust
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Well I died to heroes

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Elysium was taking so long I got impatient

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But I can definitely afford to take it slower with td2

true fable
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yep

formal gust
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So this is basically hades spear but worse in every way

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In fact it’s also Achilles but worse in every way

true fable
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hmm

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that makes sense

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since the special is unusable

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and the special is its only differentiating factor

shy gulch
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yeah it’s just bad

dire steppe
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zag spear should be +50 to special

cinder cave
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zag spear needs much more than that imo

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would it be that strong if it was 75/75/75 realistically

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considering the other aspects in the game

true fable
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well

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i think the real issue is that the bonus is +%

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if it were + base like zag shield itd be okish

shy gulch
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speaking of zag spear, just got 32 heat w it

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snagged flurry jab in elysium and it just made the run a cakewalk

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flurry jab + arty attack on any spear is free money

true fable
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yup

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have you tried lightning strike flurry

shy gulch
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i have not yet unfortunately

solemn pulsar
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I have it’s super fun

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On an electric shot Achilles build

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I stopped casting immediately

dire steppe
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@true fable i actually meant +50 base damage lol

true fable
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oh lol

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yeah agreed in that case

dire steppe
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so like +200% base damage lol

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how much damage does normal zag special do anyway

ripe crane
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4

dire steppe
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+50 base damage, 5x range, 2x speed

true fable
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still unusable without explosive lmao

formal gust
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zag spear 40 done

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it basically became a tank build

shy gulch
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nice

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what was ur build

formal gust
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hades wasn't even doing 30 damage per hit

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and I had over 300 hp

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and my defiances healed to full

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not recorded but like I dont really care

true fable
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let's go

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the calculated wriste

formal gust
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ok what's next

shy gulch
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zag sword

true fable
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hit that randomizer boyo

true fable
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pog

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reset for spread fire or else 🔫 dusa

formal gust
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I guess I should give some sort of arbitrary rating for these

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I would give enjoyment like, 4 out of 10

rain sedge
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zag rail is just eris without bonus damage

true fable
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incorrect it has 12 more ammo so you can run spread fire

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schad if you havent tried spread fire zag rail yet you have to

rain sedge
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why, is it as bad as it sounds

true fable
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no its sick

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its legit so fun

rain sedge
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hm

true fable
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start arty attack and reset for spread fire

rain sedge
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I might do 40 aspects all weapons seeded

dire steppe
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40 aspects pog

shy gulch
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if I got the ello mod to work on my game I’d prob do that too

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but for now I’m fine w 32 all aspects

rain sedge
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I did 32 all aspects happily, but 40 all aspects would need seeding for me to care

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like, seeding starting boon is the equivalent of restarting until you get the boon you want

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so why not, I'm not gonna leaderboard it anyway

shy gulch
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yeah exactly

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40 would require just a bit too much resetting for me

true fable
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thats how i felt about it

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idk

shy gulch
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so I’ll pass

true fable
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i just reset for flurry or serrated

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or for spread fire on zag rail

rain sedge
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why is just seeding with more steps

true fable
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dont think i reset that many others

shy gulch
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some weapons just feel very bleh for me to use too

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zag shield is one I’m thinking of

rain sedge
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yeah for my 32, some weapons are downright unenjoyable

true fable
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hades spear definitely is just not my weapon

shy gulch
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I did that a couple hours ago and just did not enjoy it

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oh same here bright

rain sedge
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oooo idk, I was very close to zag shield, it was fun

shy gulch
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I can’t play any spear without flurry jab LOL

rain sedge
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I would've gotten 40 shield with zag if not for the lovely 5 sac

shy gulch
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oh rip

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yeah I just got a nice n easy 32 thanks to pulverizing

dire steppe
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zag shield is like worse zeus

rain sedge
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that's.... not close at all

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worse chaos you mean

formal gust
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ok what will I get next

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enjoyment rating for zag rail is 8.5/10

true fable
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solid

rain sedge
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it's because it's basically eris with less damage, the best weapon

true fable
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schad weirdchamp

rain sedge
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thinking beowulf is better than eris thanthink

true fable
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schad weirdchamp

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first time schad ran out of Ls

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GOTTEM

rain sedge
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WHY IS THERE ONLY 1 L

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THERE'S USUALLY A RED ONE

rain sedge
true fable
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LOL

rain sedge
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mod is typing monkaS

true fable
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👁️ who watches the watchmen 👁️

rain sedge
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alright bright

true fable
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thanks crepes lol

rain sedge
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be honest now, it's christmas

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that comeback is a bit too good to come up with on the spot

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did you see it somewhere else? be honest

true fable
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we call it the toyotathon here in america

rain sedge
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......what?

true fable
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and no thats a 100% original zinger

rain sedge
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damn

true fable
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please tell me yall have the toyotathon in the UK

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is that not a thing

formal gust
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Cars Weirdchamp

true fable
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cin eventually you will have your drivers license

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its ok

rain sedge
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I had to google what is that just to make sure you're not making it up

formal gust
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I could have my permit a year ago

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I was just too lazy

rain sedge
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no, we call it christmas in the UK

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we're still allowed to call it Christmas, since people don't get offended if we do

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oooooof ok ok ok I felt like that was a bit of a low blow

dire steppe
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in the US we are mandated by law to call it Holidays

rain sedge
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imma be nice before I get banned

dire steppe
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merry Holidays everyone

onyx venture
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Remind me what the topic of this channel is again? thanthink

rain sedge
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monkaGIGA

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#hades-official-off-topic-channel?

dire steppe
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oi m8 you got ya tv licence?

rain sedge
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oh my god you have no idea

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how bad those things are

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hold up lemme find something for you non brits

onyx venture
rain sedge
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🚶‍♂️ ok ok imma check out, happy holidays y'all

formal gust
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Who wants to overthrow the server to combine high heat and general chats

true fable
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time to complain about ap2 in general

dire steppe
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the problem with #off-topic-discussion is i don’t want to general discussion with the people who aren’t in high heat

honest kernel
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TL;DR : High Heat folks basically made their own circle for discussion, to the point where it applies to most other subjects

static plover
dire steppe
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rename this to #big-bad-scary-channel-dont-look

honest kernel
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Just so happens the discussions here derail often

formal gust
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Just block everyone else in general discussion

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Private chat

true fable
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we'll try to stay a bit more on topic haha

honest kernel
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^

true fable
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i might try to run some 50+ beo for a short xmas strim later

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gonna be nogged out so i doubt i'll make it far but it should be fun

formal gust
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I can’t believe bright told me to never stream ever

dire steppe
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thinking of making this terrible meme that says “don’t say you like the anime if you haven’t read the manga” with beo shield and then the actual book beowulf

true fable
formal gust
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All the time

true fable
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bait

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ok never stream then

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exdee

formal gust
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Nice Bair

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I just became

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A smash commentator

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I meant to say bait

true fable
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good bair

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nah if you strim i'll watch

shy gulch
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oh dang bright stream maybe

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also got zag rail 32, now just guan yu left

true fable
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actually i kind of want to push the 32 heat record out of reach now that i think about it

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so that a certain unnamed fox doesnt get any ideas

rain sedge
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but he's NoT a SpeEdrUnNeR

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I've been trying the speedrun 32, but sub 9 is hard and needs a lot of luck

solemn pulsar
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Aight I’ve been inspired by a certain someone to do all aspects 40 heat

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I’ve already got like 8 anyway

true fable
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yeah let's go

shy gulch
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ugh guan yu just isnt fun to play without quick/massive or charged skewer

solemn pulsar
true fable
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bablo's a trendsetter

shy gulch
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bright

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do you run legacy or pride when anyheating beowulf

solemn pulsar
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Whoa not a streak I’m not crazy

daring hedge
true fable
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timer's ticking now

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i run legacy

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i should run pride

tidal flame
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Seasonal greetings!

true fable
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but running legacy keeps me sane

shy gulch
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oop

true fable
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LOL

shy gulch
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i'll run pride ig

true fable
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so here's the reasoning right

formal gust
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32 is just any heat but more free room reliant

true fable
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unless you're running styg beo

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the only hermes boons you care about are hyper delivery

solemn pulsar
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HL5 LC4 EM2 BP1 MM UC FO2 HS DC2 TD3 gets you to 33 actually

true fable
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for which rarity really really matters

shy gulch
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right

solemn pulsar
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Essentially the same as any heat

shy gulch
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rarity matters a lot there

true fable
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so you should run pride

solemn pulsar
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Just a little slower

true fable
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but not having legacy means having to reset each time you like

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dont get mirage on first roll

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or dont get sea storm at all

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or something like that

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IDK

shy gulch
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do you really need sea storm tho

true fable
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not really

solemn pulsar
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Do you really need sea storm tho

true fable
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but its nice to have

shy gulch
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that one seems like a reach

solemn pulsar
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Wait lol

shy gulch
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mirage maybe

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very good cgull LOL

solemn pulsar
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We are mirage shot

true fable
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ok here's why i think sea storm is still good

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it's entirely because of elysium

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if you get sea storm before elysium you can one shot the spirits without wasting a cast

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we're talking purely moist beo now

shy gulch
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oh for sure im doing damp beo

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well whatever my current best shield time is 15 something so im just trying to get anything on the board

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to start with

true fable
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so while sea storm isn't necessary its still super nice to have

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missing mirage because of pride is already bad enough

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but i also think you just have to run pride

lusty mirage
solemn pulsar
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Missing Zeus sucks though

shy gulch
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not rn unfortunately, laptops been buggin out

solemn pulsar
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I wish I could stream I’m gated to 5mb upload

true fable
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like my run was only good because i wandered into exclusive access and got hyper delivery early

shy gulch
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i'll probably do a restart or something after a few runs

true fable
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idk i have to play it a bit more

honest kernel
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If my sleeping schedule wasn't so wack I'd consider more streams, with a mic maybe

shy gulch
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started pride

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instantly got all common poseidon boons

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very good

honest kernel
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The pride's scam

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A classic

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Also applies to Legacy

true fable
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now i just need to fund some melatonin for baj

solemn pulsar
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Do you need more than 5 mb upload to stream

lusty mirage
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i want more streams with people talking about their decisions and techniques

true fable
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usually 5MB/s is like the bare bare minimum

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iirc

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dont know too much about that though

lusty mirage
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a lot of streams just seem like people complaining about rng

solemn pulsar
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Friggin Comcast

lusty mirage
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or silent grinds

solemn pulsar
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I’ll spend mine complaining about having 200 mb down but only 5 up

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As my 360p footage stutters in the background

true fable
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i dont really care that much about RNG anymore tbh

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like its just something that happens

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how i feel about it isn't gonna change things

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fire emblem teaches harsh lessons

lusty mirage
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yeah rather than complain about rng, talk about how to deal with it or mitigate it

true fable
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an enemy with a 2% crit chance is an enemy with a 100% crit chance if your unit will die from the crit

honest kernel
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idk man, sounds like Darkest Dungeon to me

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or Xcom

lusty mirage
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oh xcom

true fable
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LOL

shy gulch
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bruh im literally getting the luckiest run

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why does it have to be when im still bad at beowulf

true fable
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yeah idk i feel like any game with an unbalanced hard mode teaches you that you can sometimes just get ended by RNG and that's ok

shy gulch
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this is gonna be wasted

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i have mirage shot and zeus call in tartarus and im entering furies at like 3:xx

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pain

true fable
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it's not a waste if you learned something :^)

shy gulch
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oh and charged shot

lusty mirage
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yeah def had that experience where i turn up the heat maybe a bit too high and the game gives me perfect build and kills me anyway

solemn pulsar
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It’s ok you’ll just get 4 sacked 😦

honest kernel
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Yes, it happened

true fable
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pain

lusty mirage
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even more because you must have had AP on

solemn pulsar
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Whenever I get ME but don’t have Athena dash o always take way too much damage trying to proc doom with the special

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So I feel that

true fable
solemn pulsar
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Or whichever isn’t doom

lusty mirage
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but i'd watch baj stream his pain and talk about it

true fable
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that feels like any high heat strim in general

honest kernel
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^

solemn pulsar
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His is an elite pain that we can only dream of

true fable
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but a baj strim with MIC

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im sold

honest kernel
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Depends on how long/well I could articulate lmao

lusty mirage
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tuned into hades#### and he had mic but in korean

solemn pulsar
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Step 1 learn Korean step 2 learn strats step 3 profit

honest kernel
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To be honest I'm almost tempted to do that lmao

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Getting a perspective from other top players when they are from a different region is ... interesting

lusty mirage
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different groupthink

true fable
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still captivated by the flurry cast trippy shot eris build

honest kernel
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Forcing Dio in Asphodel for that

solemn pulsar
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turns out he’s just talking trash about all the English speaking players

honest kernel
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The bigbrain plan

shy gulch
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@lusty mirage good to know, i can talk about what im doing and why whenever i next stream

honest kernel
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^ for real

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He's wholesome

solemn pulsar
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Turns out he’s just talking about how much he loves and respects the English speaking players

true fable
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yeah thats what he usually does

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LOL

shy gulch
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also if u have any q's just pop in chat and i'll do my best

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bro when does he stream

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i need to catch one now

true fable
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like 3am-5am ish

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LOL

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PST

lusty mirage
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oh was later than that this morning

shy gulch
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oh LMAO

honest kernel
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It's super later

lusty mirage
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i'm usually not up sub5

honest kernel
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AKA works for me because of my scuffed schedule

solemn pulsar
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Baj go to bed

honest kernel
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Right now it's 7:00 PM EST

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Like that would fix it now lol

solemn pulsar
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Oh est buddies!

honest kernel
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But honestly, I could do at 11:00 PM

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so in like 4 hours

solemn pulsar
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Imagine the heats you could clear on a nonscuffed schedule

lusty mirage
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my schedule rng has been bothering me

honest kernel
solemn pulsar
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I’m still laughing at you calling earlier than 5 am “sub 5” @lusty mirage

honest kernel
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The new anyheat strats, play at 5 AM to get that sub5 run

lusty mirage
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only before 5am

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don't try it at 5:01

shy gulch
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i think my 50 clear was at like 4 am

honest kernel
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Otherwise the tiny vermin starts showing up at your door

shy gulch
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i knwo bright was falling asleep during it

true fable
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LOL

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i conked out so hard

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tbh thats a good gauge of stream success

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if your stream is comfy enough to fall asleep to

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youve made it

shy gulch
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thats fair honestly

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comfy vibes

lusty mirage
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those attack patterns, so rhythmic zzz

honest kernel
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Hestia ASMR videos when

shy gulch
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LOL

lusty mirage
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croven with a loud mechanical keyboard playing hestia

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no idea what kind of keyboard you actually have

honest kernel
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Croven plays on a laptop

lusty mirage
#

just vibin on asmr

shy gulch
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i play on a macbook lmfao

true fable
#

yeah im the one with the loud mech keyboard

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a viewer once said "can't stand the keyboard spam" and just left lmao

lusty mirage
#

watch out for wriste, he was ranting about loud keyboards

shy gulch
#

damn thats brutal bright

true fable
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LOL oops

shy gulch
#

tho tbh im not a fan of mech keyboards either

true fable
#

idc really

shy gulch
#

one of my roommates is SUPER into it and i just cannot see it

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clacky clack

true fable
#

just thought it was super funny at the time

honest kernel
#

I know some peeps that love mechanical keyboards

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Seems to be the kind of thing that separates most peeps lol

rain sedge
#

I have a mechanical keyboard

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it also means I can't secretly type during work meetings

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because everyone can hear

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and if I want to do so I have to mute myself, which then people notice anyway

shy gulch
#

the struggles

solemn pulsar
#

Google meet added a noise canceling feature like discord, I can slam on my@mech keyboard unmuted during a call and nobody can hear its sick

honest kernel
#

That actually sounds super practical

shy gulch
#

yeah definitely

#

thats nice

solemn pulsar
#

Googles enterprise suite is p decent, mainly bc I don’t have to use outlook or office on my MacBook

rain sedge
#

discord uses noise cancelling? damn

solemn pulsar
#

Google chat blows but we have slack

rain sedge
#

that does not work during my raids with my group

solemn pulsar
#

It has an option for it i think

rain sedge
#

I'll try next time

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anyway, cheerio

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night and christmas all

dire steppe
rain sedge
#

@true fable I found your reddit account

true fable
#

LOL

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not even a sub 10 furies fight smh

shy gulch
#

god im bad at using guan yu

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i think im just bad at any spear without flurry jab LOL

true fable
#

thats me lol

gentle bridge
#

does dodge work on everything?

shy gulch
#

had a really good 50 heat rama run but i screwed up and died to lernie

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pain

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time to practice boss fights i think

true fable
#

@daring hedge that quick special you do on sneak spawn, is that a guaranteed way to strip the hearts?

daring hedge
#

Yeah pretty much

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I either do that or lodge a cast on the first blip

true fable
#

also glad im not the only one who shoots than when he refuses to leave

shy gulch
#

lol

true fable
#

UHDH and hades3234 both left pretty nice comments

shy gulch
#

on what

true fable
#

tailesque's 60 heat vod

spring kettle
#

just in general

daring hedge
#

I wish I kept the clip of me shooting than like normal after an encounter and he just snaps and goes "idiot."

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I can't properly convey how funny it was

tidal flame
#

How about that Let's make this quick Zag - Sure Than clip?

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That was comedic gold also.

true fable
#

side note why is thans face forward pic so unnerving

shy gulch
#

i think its bc. the middle part is bad

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also his eyes look different

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i think

tidal flame
#

He looks like Doom Guy from the original Doom

mossy zinc
solemn pulsar
#

ok i'm reneging on my desire to do all aspects at 40 heat after trying a little gilgamesh tonight

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yikes

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what's a good build for that at high heat?

mossy zinc
#

I dunno. Check the Gilgamesh builds on the leaderboard.

honest kernel
#

Blade Rifts and Tidal Dash builds are legit

mossy zinc
#

I'd just take Heartbreak Strike, but Dash boons seem to be a priority at higher heats.

solemn pulsar
#

is the dash differently timed? i know dashing around with the strike is different from normal fists, but is the dash itself? it feels different, might just be the sound effect

honest kernel
#

Gilga dash's a bit shorter

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Distance and length wise

mossy zinc
#

Heartbreak Strike almost entirely negates the +50% damage taken, and your Attack damage will be good.

#

I've been wanting to try out some kind of Low Tolerance build with Drunken Dash on Gilgamesh.

high eagle
#

what do you guys recomend for bow if im yryung to unlock last skelly?

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i usually like artemis and athena but i rly dont know what keepsakes to take

gentle bridge
#

which bow? cause hera bow wouls have a diff build than rama/chiron

high eagle
#

zag

fathom cloud
#

Deadly strike, Hunter/divine dash, fill out rest of build with where you feel you are weak / what RNG dictates

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Athena for DDs with SD at 32 heat

high eagle
#

whats dd and sd lol

formal gust
#

Death defiance

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Stubborn defiance

high eagle
#

i dont feel unsafe in non boss rooms

formal gust
#

Stubborn basically becomes necessary at 40-45+

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Because those enemies start getting very hard

fathom cloud
#

Well what's your pact set up? It's really hard to do LC5 without SD

formal gust
#

Benefits package, damage control

high eagle
#

what about keepsakes?

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i go max extreme messurements

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and a little bit of time

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the mini boss one

fathom cloud
#

Hooo boy you're not making 32 easy for yourself

formal gust
high eagle
#

extreme mesurements isnt that Hard

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4

formal gust
#

4 is too much imo

#

Check pins for easy 32 heat

high eagle
#

honestly as long as thers no forced overtime i feel lile i can do it

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but thers a buff for armored duded rhat makes them atack fast right?

formal gust
#

Forced overtime is good heat

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Worth taking

high eagle
#

it just messes my nuscle memory so bad

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and breaks my charged shot rythm

formal gust
#

You get used to it

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And then it’s free heat

shy gulch
#

if you only intend to do 32, then you dont necessarily have to if it messes up your rhythm

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but if you intend to go higher at all, its best to get used to it now

formal gust
#

^

high eagle
#

i think ill just repeatedly bash my head agaisnt my stupid setup since im just stalling till the olympians let me be their friends

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thanks for all the info tho

formal gust
#

Uhh okay

solemn pulsar
#

if you have a more specific issue we can help you fine tune it

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you say that you don't feel unsafe in non-boss rooms, but also that you have Extreme Measures 4, but that you think you can do anything at Forced overtime 0. So what exactly are you having trouble with then?

#

a good zag bow build is to go for artemis attack, and then triple/twin shot on hammers for crowd control

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and extra boss damage when you're up close

#

people switch to stubborn defiance so that they can take Lasting Consequences 4. It's 4 heat, but then you can't heal at all, so you have to rely on stubborn defiance instead. It's a very different playstyle, but it helps jack up the heat numbers

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some people also use LC4 as an opportunity to take hard labor 5, since they'll be getting hit for a lot more

high eagle
#

im just sopposed tovrun the keepsakes of the gods i want and tooth/acorn for surface right?

fathom cloud
#

Not tooth

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Wait... are you eating Hades' heavy hits or dying from small add hits?

solemn pulsar
#

if you made this switch to stubborn, you could hit 32 heat pretty easily
HL5 - 5
LC4 - 4
CF2 - 2
EM3 - 6

BP1 - 2
MM - 2
UC - 2
TD2 - 5

then find 5 more heat iwth what you like

formal gust
high eagle
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well if im not rumming lasting consecuences and have a good chunc of hp and dodge tooth is prolly worth it

fathom cloud
#

I'm not good enough to avoid all of Hades' heavy hits so tooth is less useful for me, sorry, that was just opinionated of me

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Having more HP doesn't help tooth though

high eagle
#

is not hp % u rite

formal gust
#

Tooth is great

#

Slightly worse than acorn

tidal flame
#

tooth is situational

high eagle
#

does boiling blod do anythimg besides make u drop a skull over time?

daring hedge
#

Tooth is great as an alternative to acorn in the context of things like high heat elysium encounters potentially more dangerous than champs, or EM4 where butterflies may have eaten all acorn charges anyways

fathom cloud
#

You take more damage with boiling blood on

formal gust
#

Yeah I like tooth elysium

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Especially

high eagle
#

am i the only one that thinks asphodel is harder than elysium

daring hedge
#

Probably

formal gust
#

Against the big chariot [heckers]

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Elysium is harder on your patience

daring hedge
#

Asphodel is typically the easiest at high heat

formal gust
#

And in difficulty

solemn pulsar
#

where are you dying most?

formal gust
#

So many deaths are in Tartarus

#

Like a huge percentage

high eagle
#

likr i swear wavemakers are cheating

fathom cloud
#

I would not call speeder chariots or Asterius easy compared to Asphodel, Asterius 2 shots me if I mess up

formal gust
#

Are those the stomp guys

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The wave makers?

daring hedge
#

Okay fair point tyler

#

Blue lernie can be a pain still

tidal flame
#

Because shockwave hitbox is bull

high eagle
#

and thw blue skeletons allways manage to get a hit

formal gust
#

Blue lernie

#

Is the [hecking] worst

high eagle
#

and tje witches are just as bad as the butterfly ball

daring hedge
#

Sometimes going into lava even with HS is safer than risking circles on land from blue lernie

formal gust
#

How am I supposed to avoid this huge-ass shockwave on a piece of land the size of the chimp crumbs that get stuck in couch cushions

daring hedge
#

Witches don't have much health even collectively. Soul catcher is an absolute tank if you don't summon

formal gust
#

Witch meg is super satisfying

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Gotta admit that

daring hedge
#

Lol

formal gust
#

Like oh my god it’s just... so right

high eagle
#

what summon do u guys use

formal gust
#

Meg

#

I’m just used to meg

high eagle
#

yhats 1'5k dmg right

formal gust
#

I think it’s 2k?

high eagle
#

i use bouldy

daring hedge
#

2.5k from battie/meg

formal gust
#

Ohh

#

I am just used to meg from speedruns

high eagle
#

heal is kinda nice since i allways forget to use the damn charges anyways

formal gust
#

She is just the best all around

daring hedge
#

Bouldy becomes significantly less useful as you climb heat

formal gust
#

Antos has potential

solemn pulsar
#

so... are you dying in asphodel most?

daring hedge
#

Rib is sadly kind of just, not good

formal gust
#

Rip skelly

#

I have seen dusa used like

#

Once

daring hedge
#

Every time I've used dusa I kind of regretted it when I would have used a meg instead

formal gust
#

Mort is okay

#

Just slow

daring hedge
#

FO2 enemies are just too fast for her projectiles

#

And FO2 also exacerbates Mort's sluggishness

formal gust
#

Antos is the only other viable one I think

daring hedge
#

Yeah, I consider battie and antos the best ones overall and for high heat

formal gust
#

Bouldy is great for new players

daring hedge
#

Agreed

formal gust
#

So credit where credit is due

#

Healing and meta resources

#

Will antos hit the same target twice

shy gulch
#

i believe he will

formal gust
#

Oh in that case that’s good

spring kettle
#

I've tried using Bouldy before but it's hard for me to time the hit, and I'd rather end the fight faster than get a heal

daring hedge
#

If it's the only target, yeah. Though it will prefer to hit two if it can, even waiting for a spawn circle to finish in order to hit a second target

#

Which can be annoying with DC2

formal gust
#

And again, meta resources

#

I used Bouldy for a loooong time

daring hedge
#

Bouldy is more of a panic button of "I want a heal now" paired with some extra goodies

formal gust
#

I just wish you could use it in non combat rooms if you’re short money

solemn pulsar
#

dont squish charon!

#

dang beowulf 50 heat is really hard

#

i will resume attempts tomorrow

true fable
#

the 4 witch meg is euphoric

#

but yeah only works if you have no DC

formal gust
#

You can take it off in time with the right weapon

solemn pulsar
#

Rail with Zeus

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Or Rama or rail without Zeus if you’re skilled

#

Or spear with chain skewer LMAO

true fable
#

thats probably fine with the 3 witch setup

formal gust
#

Pretty excited to strim tomorrow

true fable
#

oh word

formal gust
#

No mic

true fable
#

😦

formal gust
#

Remember, my computer isn’t in my room

#

Parents around n stuff

#

Using the tv

#

Probably could get it to work but not now

true fable
#

ah i see

lusty mirage
true fable
#

rib is also a free erebus gate

#

is what ive seen

mossy zinc
#

No need to heal if you don't get hit. squirtnya

north dove
#

Streak died on zag shield 😦 I hate playing shield so much

shy gulch
#

man

#

almost got hestia 52

#

but a 3 sack ended my dreams

#

wouldve had patty + timer got me in the 2nd phase of hades

#

this run wasnt honestly too lucky overall tho so i think i can replicate it relatively easily later

#

time was actually not bad, 13 min going into styx is p good

boreal summit
#

any build for a person starting out did a few clears

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but needed a good build to complete runs fast and farm blood

#

and darkness

mossy zinc
#

That's more #h1-builds-and-combat than this channel. We talk mostly 40+ Heat and sometimes 32-ish in here.

#

There's a newbie build guide for the base weapons by me pinned in #h1-for-new-players. Might give you some ideas to work from.

gentle bridge
gentle bridge
#

learned from @true fable that zag fists + plume is not a meme build. awesome!

unreal pasture
#

Yeah, I was trying a 59 seed with Zag/Plume for a while... it's reasonably good...
I kind of still just believe Plume is the single strongest Keepsake, but you have to sacrifice too much to the RNG gods to take it

#

Trivializes heroes and dad if you can get the near miss dodge running (it's 100% uptime against heroes)

#

Against Hades, it's a lot harder... because ruthless reflex sometimes won't be active during certain attacks/timings

gentle bridge
#

what should be my prio boons @unreal pasture if ever i get to choose ?

unreal pasture
#

Lightning Strike or Ares attack... if you're not playing AP2

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If you're playing with AP on, you can't and shouldn't ever really bank on getting Merciful End

#

But Lightning Strike lets you get through DC2 a lot easier... while being basically the best boon for dps

#

Represents +60% immediately even at common rarity (fist does 15, LS 10)

#

Honestly, I've escaped Tartarus a lot of times with just about every boon though... so it's possible with the right rng...
But it's also very tight

#

If you don't get an attack boon, it's almost impossible to get TD3 on the fists without Breaching Cross

#

And you almost always want a call before you run into Hermes as well, for the Second Wind possibility

#

But... again, I'd need to know the pacts you're choosing to have any sort of idea...
Also, I seeded my run, it had Breaching Cross + Lightning Strike room 2... so I was like 👌

#

I lost that seed on accident though

#

Got really salty and forgot to press "Give Up" as I died in Elysium

#

@gentle bridge Oh, and you can plume on basically any and every aspect... so long as you don't take DC/Jury Summons

#

Arthur ... it's actually really hard to clear rooms on time

gentle bridge
#

my heat was HL2 LC4 CF2 JS1 EM4 BF2 MM UC FO1 DC1 AP1 TD3
tho im thinking of dropping EM to 3 so that ill focus on getting to dad and not think too much on having a good build vs superdad

unreal pasture
#

Oh, ok... I have all kinds of ... pedantic and worthless things that can be commented on... like FO2 actually ups the value of Rutheless Reflex... so if you're really pushing for heat it almost becomes free/better

#

I also don't think you ever want TD3 without Forced Overtime in some combination... it slows spawns down

#

And yeah... a lot of my thinking is the hope that I have 100% dodge to just free-lo super dad and heroes

#

Tartarus is ... unironically the hardest zone for me on the fists

#

Lots of deaths to the Furies. mostly alecto... but Meg is pretty obnoxious as well

#

If you get caught in a blade, you literally instadie in personal liability (hell mode)

#

Taking Antos would probably fix this problem though

gentle bridge
#

hm i like the fo2 strat tho, make sense esp since i wanna em3 for now

unreal pasture
#

Yeah... EM4 is ... pretty much the hardest heat you can turn on

#

It's better to get that four heat from somewhere else, I think

chilly sun
#

UGHHH I WAS SO CLOSE TO 37 HEAT CLEAR

#

got an amazing build but tight deadline got me as i was about to deal the final blwo to dad

true fable
#

why 37? lol

#

also that means ur close

#

next time for sure

lusty mirage
#

37 as good as any of the other arbitrary numbers :p

true fable
#

fair enough

chilly sun
#

Big One

gentle bridge
#

man, watta bad day to stream it was 2 hours of not mostly getting out og tartarus at 40 heat. i think i have reverse streamer rng

#

that's the grind I guess

chilly sun
#

don't beat yourself up, the first time i bumped heat over 20 i got stuck in asphodel for like a week

gentle bridge
#

yeah haha. ive already reached dad once with zag fists+plume. im sure i can do it again. HL5 is a pain though, but i still prefer it over EM4

#

the game didnt want to give me zeus boons and whrn i got one, i wasnt able to save the seed

chilly sun
#

oof good luck, hades final boss with the fists is just agony at high heat

#

wishing a good hammer upon you myheart

gentle bridge
#

thanks. my belief rn is that id rather make getting to dad hard than dealing with superdad. i dont mind fighting him with fists, anyway

chilly sun
#

oof yeah, i don't know many high heat runs that take EM4

formal gust
#

ok so I am struggling quite hard with hades, which makes me pretty nervous to stream because my first impression will be dying a lot

lusty mirage
#

i don't mind when people die

gentle bridge
#

I just died for 2 hours, mostly in tartarus. was a lot of fun. you'll be fine, just have fun

true fable
#

who cares

formal gust
#

out of everything I wouldnt have expected hades aspect to be my first big roadblock in completing 40 heat all aspects

true fable
#

like 40 people watched me die repeatedly in tart on GY

#

its a hard aspect

gentle bridge
#

mostly dying is what high heat is all about hahaha

true fable
#

@formal gust when are you going live

#

im at work but i'll lurk

formal gust
#

prob 1-2 hours

gentle bridge
#

glhf

#

ill stream my grind tomorrow. zag fists or bust

hearty dome
#

hey, i was looking for high heat streamer besides Astaos that i already follow

#

may i have your twitch links ?

gaunt fiber
#

lmao

#

If there is one person not to watch here

#

it's me

hearty dome
#

win streak 40 heat GY is pretty good i believe shadesmile

#

at least for me

#

i try to beat 32 heat with every weapon before going higher

gaunt fiber
#

And I thought Christmas was over shadegrief

hearty dome
true fable
#

i like watching astaos

#

solid channel branding

gaunt fiber
true fable
#

lol

#

like that you commit to having 50% max health thats a brand

gaunt fiber
#

One day I'll learn something else

true fable
#

off brand

#

unsubscribe

gaunt fiber
#

Between you and me

#

I'm the only one who can unsub

true fable
#

LOL

#

emotes soon i promise

#

still trying to figure out a barge emote

formal gust
#

You can have emotes without partner?

#

Oh bttv right

true fable
#

yeah you just need affiliate

formal gust
#

Or that

#

Man this is really the first time people will see my crusty-ass gameplay as it’s happening

true fable
#

pog cant wait

formal gust
#

Got the nerves

ripe crane
#

streaming owns

#

Just be extremely likable, funny, and have perfect gameplay

formal gust
#

No mic strims for now

gaunt fiber
true fable
#

just need bablo to raid you actually

gaunt fiber
#

^

true fable
#

also @ripe crane didnt know you strimmed :^)

#

i also got hestia 50 are you proud of me

solemn pulsar
#

no, be proud of me!

#

i got hestia 50 heat

true fable
#

lol

ripe crane
#

Looks like the only solution is to be proud of neither of you until you get 51

true fable
#

i think i might just try to jump straight to 56 👁️

#

we skipped 51

ripe crane
#

It is really no different gameplay wise tbh

true fable
#

i never seen 51 and i never will

#

fair

ripe crane
#

Just get luckier or don't

true fable
#

cue the crepes free room clip

trim sigil
formal gust
#

@true fable ok I think I am ready

true fable
#

poggers

#

i'll lurk

#

no mic right?

formal gust
#

yah

#

wonder if I should still record on obs

ripe crane
#

Do you have twitch set to record your stream?

#

By default it doesn't

formal gust
#

not sure

mossy zinc
#

Yeah, set it to do that.

formal gust
#

where

#

how

ripe crane
#

on twitch

#

you have to turn it on

formal gust
#

is it "store past broadcasts"

true fable
#

my work wifi is shot

#

sorry mdude

#

yeah store past casts

#

otherwise youll do achilles 45 and have nothing to show for it

mossy zinc
#

Cursed aspect.

true fable
#

true

#

and so the only one we have is a meme beam one

#

with no glacial glare or clarity

#

or even cold embrace

formal gust
#

ok I think I should just give up on the random aspect thing

#

and just do whatever

vital grove
#

Just do them in order of fun

formal gust
#

doing worse at hestia 40 than hestia 45

solemn pulsar
#

whats your pact?

formal gust
#

hl5 lc4 js1 em3 bp2 mm uc fo2 hs ap1 td3

solemn pulsar
#

if you're comfortable not using acron for boss fights, shackle hestia hits really hard, and you could add AP2 and CF2 pretty comfortably when you don't care much about boons, giving you 5 heat to play with

#

and if you get a decent enough attack boon you can switch off of it

#

obvoiusly not super likely given AP2

#

it also honestly doesn't mind RI1 with shackle

true fable
#

same

solemn pulsar
#

but that's a little much

formal gust
#

arty attack is not a good pick honestly

#

for hestia

ripe crane
#

wrong

true fable
#

nah arty attack is sick

solemn pulsar
#

gr8 for speedies

true fable
#

you just need hunters mark

solemn pulsar
#

or ricochet

formal gust
#

without t2s the crit is just super unreliable

true fable
#

well yeah

solemn pulsar
#

shackle is seriously good

true fable
#

but whats stopping you from getting t2s?

formal gust
#

luck

solemn pulsar
#

and honestly you don't even need it for tartarus if you want to force athena or something, you can just put it on in asphodel if you don't have a decent attack boon

formal gust
#

is piercing and ricochet incompatible

solemn pulsar
#

super compatible

warm osprey
#

Crit and mark is god tier for heroes and dad

#

Hestia biggest downside is rocking the armor heat thing on mobs

solemn pulsar
#

i don't think it's super consistent to get T2s at high heat though

#

you can clear 50 without damage control, just have to shackle + AP2 it up

warm osprey
#

Yeah

ripe crane
#

Shackle helps but isn't necessary. You can still just keep RI off and roll for a good attack

shy gulch
#

arty attack is the best attack for hestia imo

true fable
#

if you get even like a cyclops jerky the value of crit just skyrockets

warm osprey
#

I like arty and ugh aphro

ripe crane
#

It's the best until you get nothing to go with it and your clear time suffers as a result. The upside is too high to ignore though

warm osprey
#

Yeah it does happen a lot

#

Most runs im just rockin shackle with support boons

#

And maybe a decent boon on special

vital grove
#

Shackle, hunter dash and hope for good hammers IMO

solemn pulsar
#

or divine dash to not die

vital grove
#

Also a good option

ripe crane
#

Hunter dash 🤮

vital grove
#

With ri1/ap2 you take what you get

warm osprey
#

Extra dash, hunters dash, fatty hammers

#

The window on hunters is surprisingly big

shy gulch
#

yeah hunter dash is not it

ripe crane
#

That means you have to dash before attacking through and not after

shy gulch
#

it just feels so weird

solemn pulsar
#

you only need RI1 when you get up to 50 IMO

shy gulch
#

and off

vital grove
#

Dash, shoot, dash reload, shoot, dash reload

solemn pulsar
#

that's not the rymth i like

vital grove
#

But that's just my experience

warm osprey
#

Even if u dont try to use it, you end up gettin the bonus dam a lot

vital grove
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And throw in special ofc

shy gulch
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the rhythm gets all messed up when I try to make hunter dash work

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I’m better off doing my own thing and HD will occasionally proc here and there by accident lol

ripe crane
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Y'all are making me wanna play this game

warm osprey
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I notice I get a lot of value out of it in elysium

vital grove
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Do hestia 60 crepes

ripe crane
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Too much luck involved. I got burnt out trying anything higher than 56 just because so many runs were doomed from the start

solemn pulsar
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do 59, everything but RI4 and DC

mossy zinc
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You can Special or Cast any time you Reload.

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Just press the buttons at the same time.

solemn pulsar
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or hell mode to get that to 60

vital grove
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I'll have to move reload to L1

chilly sun
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is it just me, or does forced overtime have its benefits to it combined with tight deadline?

ripe crane
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Ya that was the setup I tried for 60.

ripe crane
chilly sun
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yeah!!

warm osprey
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Em4 with 30% life and time limit at 5 mins is rough

shy gulch
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yeah em4 with td3 just sounds brutal

warm osprey
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You would need a god run

vital grove
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Smoldering Athena call

ripe crane
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If I ever tried 60 again it would be seeded with room 1 hazard bomb

vital grove
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Aka good luck

warm osprey
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Hazard bomb is goat

vital grove
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Triple Hazard bomb

warm osprey
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Is that a thing

solemn pulsar
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no, hazard/cluster/triple are all incompatible with each other

warm osprey
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I like hazard with the 30% slow and damage thing

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Works with meg ult too

true fable
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crepes go for fists record again

ripe crane
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:/

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What is it right now, 52?

true fable
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no? i thought you like fists

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yeah retrash has 52 with gilgy

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i still need to do 45 fists

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debating between dem or splash dash gilg

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zag fists feels too rng

vital grove
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Is there an aspect records list

true fable
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i guess the spreadsheet is the closest thing to that

solemn pulsar
shy plinth
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Everything should be on the sheet

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The player and weapon index

solemn pulsar
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definitely not completely up to date though

shy plinth
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Just need people to send in their submissions

solemn pulsar
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or, more accurately, not everyone who might have a record has recorded on this sheet

true fable
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well poseidon sword has been cleared on 51 heat iirc

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but retrash forgot to die before doing it

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so its seeded

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"seeded"

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and hael refuses to submit his so chaos is at 43

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also we're missing all of hades3234's clears

solemn pulsar
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yeah its limited

true fable
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half of which would probably be aspect records

shy plinth
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Theoretically if someone wanted to get crazy they could submit runs for people

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But that would be a Nyaa/Tail question if we wanted to allow that

mossy zinc
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Haelian refuses to submit?

true fable
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idk about refuses

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just hasnt

mossy zinc
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I'd rather people submit their own runs.

shy plinth
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Yeah

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Inaction, not refusal

true fable
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yeah mb

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just joking around

warm osprey
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My 52 wasnt recorded and my 51 was only partly recorded woth shadowplay lol

shy plinth
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He's busy with Undermine 😉

vital grove
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Its not great looking from my phone, what's the lowest heat aspect on the records list? Sorry

true fable
shy plinth
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Poseidon sword at 40

true fable
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technically poseidon

shy plinth
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Chaos shield's at 43

true fable
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but as mentioned retrash has an unverifiable unseeded/seeded run

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and hael has an unsubmitted 50 heat chaos, as does hades3234

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so technically i guess talos? maybe?

mossy zinc
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@shy plinth are you still working on the Per player index? It's a bit broken right now. squirtnya

shy plinth
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Oh more people submitted

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Stand by

solemn pulsar
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i know haelian also has a 50 hestia, not that it's a heat record

shy plinth
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There you go

solemn pulsar
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@mossy zinc what's broken about it?

mossy zinc
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We actually have 45 50+ unseeded on the board. That's a lot

vital grove
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Wait, you have to take a video of the run or is victory screen enough?

solemn pulsar
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different categories

shy plinth
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It expanded to the right and didn't have formulas for all the players