h1-high-heat-strategies

[sly remnant]

TD1 is pretty manageable. DC1 is as well. EM1 too

[true fable]

did i miss an actual tailesque no dash strim

or is that a meme

[sly remnant]

p sure a meme but i'll keep bothering him until he does it

[north dove]

The 45 heat zag aspect streak is up in #self-promotion

[rain sedge]

I see you started calling nya queen 🤔

Have you considered my name suggestion again?

[rain sedge]

Madlad retrash, grats!

[gaunt fiber]

Did not say "my queen" yet, I'm safe

[rain sedge]

soon enough my friend, soon enough

[burnt perch]

guys, I am struggling to do heat 32. Playing on PC. Tried all weapons and different combos of pact punishments

I am a bad pilot too

any advice for what would be the safest way to do it?

[true fable]

what weapon most comfortable on

avoid AP/RI, they do more than you think

everything else is fair game

[gaunt fiber]

AP RI EM4 FO2

TD3

is no

[sly remnant]

CF is probably affecting you more than you realize too

[true fable]

yeah i hesitated to put that one in there but thats true

[gaunt fiber]

well I guess TD3 is ok depending the weapon

[true fable]

feel like cf also can depend on the weapon

[sly remnant]

it can

[true fable]

AP/RI are almost across the board terrible

[gaunt fiber]

yeah sure

but honestly at FO0 all it takes is a bit of practice

[burnt perch]

I am comfortable with melee weapons because you don't have to aim with them

[gaunt fiber]

well

melee is not easy my friend

[burnt perch]

Tried Eris like 10 times

[formal gust]

you do

[burnt perch]

furthest I got was Hades

[true fable]

you know you can turn off attack at cursor for rail to make it easier for kbm right

[sly remnant]

idk fists are pretty friendly

[gaunt fiber]

Then it's all good

[burnt perch]

hmm

[gaunt fiber]

you gotta try more

[burnt perch]

did not know that

[true fable]

yeah try that

[formal gust]

did baj do 45 heat arthur without the dash strike build

[true fable]

it'll be a very noticeable qol improvement

yeah baj went for a damage reduc build

[burnt perch]

so I can I have auto-aim like on consoles

[formal gust]

ayy lets go

[true fable]

with cursed slash

[burnt perch]

is EM3 a no-no?

[true fable]

exactly mad lee

no em3 is fine

[gaunt fiber]

no you must take EM3

I think

[burnt perch]

cuz with FO I can't jump away from the bull

[gaunt fiber]

FO is dangerous

[formal gust]

em3 heat to difficulty ratio is in your favor

[gaunt fiber]

consider not using it

[daring hedge]

i went for the accidental damage reduction build with bad boons arthur 48

[burnt perch]

what to use?

[gaunt fiber]

No FO

[true fable]

maybe its the way tailesque

[formal gust]

don't be underestimating arthur

probably gonna take a crack at some attempts at 40+ with arthur at some point

[true fable]

i think im gonna start owl pendant when i get to arthur and see what dreams may come

[formal gust]

it is my favorite weapon in the game after all (sorry beo)

[true fable]

now that ive played on my new pc and im back to my laptop i dont have the motivation to play rn

did not expect this outcome

[daring hedge]

dreams of lv. 10 heroic bronze skin

[true fable]

cin you are a traitor every step of the way

[gaunt fiber]

Just launch the game

happens to me sometimes

[formal gust]

I hate arthur in speedruns

[sly remnant]

idk i haven't been motivated to play last couple days

probably gonna take a break from the game

[formal gust]

but apart from that it's amazing

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah I take 2 days breaks regularly too

[formal gust]

well I hate one specific build for arthur

[gaunt fiber]

It's either you don't have a goal or it's just too much for you to handle

[true fable]

dash strike dash strike dash strike

[formal gust]

but tank with damage reduction sounds interseting

dash strike arthur is scuffed nemesis

[sly remnant]

this is me. i'm tired of pushing heat and hating myself.

[gaunt fiber]

that's totally understandable

[true fable]

im just happy going for 40 all aspects

[gaunt fiber]

mirrorless purged me

[true fable]

hopefully i get 6 athena boons in tartarus like bablo

literally left tartarus with 3 athena core boons, 2 DDs and an epic bronze skin

[sly remnant]

at some point high heat beo becomes about ssticking a square peg in a round hole

[formal gust]

then try other weapons

[true fable]

thats kind of how i feel about it too tyler

[gaunt fiber]

you did 50

I mean

lol

[formal gust]

I did 45 with a horrible pact setup

[true fable]

anything above 45 feels like a banging of the head against a wall

[gaunt fiber]

That's why I don't push for 50 yet

[loud coral]

Even then 45 can still feel like that sometimes

[gaunt fiber]

I'll become a god gamer first

[daring hedge]

it's wild how much more restrictive 50 feels compared to 45 honestly

[mossy zinc]

Hmm?

[loud coral]

I tried 50 a few times then immediately noped out from how bad it was

[sly remnant]

yep. i feel so much more trapped at 50

[true fable]

i want to do 50+ with chaos because it feels like chaos shield still has options up there

beowulf just.. doesnt feel the same way

[gaunt fiber]

Nothing, you may go.

[true fable]

lol

[loud coral]

45 has you taking pacts you normally wouldn’t wanna take but 50 has you taking the pacts you really don’t wanna take

[daring hedge]

exactly

[mossy zinc]

I don't think so.

[formal gust]

honestly I don't plan on going above 50 any time soon

[daring hedge]

i think i worded it almost the same way talking to ridiculoushat

[burnt perch]

so what's the consensus on the safest way to go about heat 32?

[true fable]

some aspects were created more equally than others

[sly remnant]

who's got the link

[burnt perch]

Lambent Plume Zagreus fists?

[sly remnant]

bias of the pact

[formal gust]

high heat isn't everything

[true fable]

dodge fists requires a lot of things to go your way imo

just play what youre comfortable on with FO0/1

and then do your best

dying is part of the process

[sly remnant]

100% agree

[daring hedge]

DC can be such a huge limiter for some aspects

[formal gust]

just a lot of good high heat weapons happen to be good in a lot of other places

[sly remnant]

i just want the beo heat record

i want it so bad

[formal gust]

yeah that is a big one

is arthur record 50

[true fable]

well ultra high heat is friendlier to weapons that have a really solid base kit since you cant rely on synergies

i think 48 right?

[formal gust]

damn

[true fable]

like take zeus shield for example

[daring hedge]

it's the absolute worst on arthur to where i will only consider it if i can get piercing wave in tartarus, which is okay but falls off considerably later and doesn't scale at all

it's my 48 yeah

[true fable]

it does over 100 dps with the special alone

[daring hedge]

haven't uploaded but i could

[true fable]

on top of that you also have scuffed zag shield

not accounting for multihits

[formal gust]

rama is basically ranged arthur that ignores damage control

[sly remnant]

i wasn't being serious but this is why i was talking about dividing up 32 heat and 40 speed runs into DC and non-DC weapons

[loud coral]

Arthur makes FO2 6 free heat

(not really)

[sly remnant]

DC is such a stark divider of weapons

after that its RI

[daring hedge]

rama actually getting to use its full kit regardless of build is one of my favorite things about it

[sly remnant]

rama is an excellently designed weapon

[formal gust]

yeah

[sly remnant]

it was also very obviously designed with high heat in mind

[formal gust]

it's good for speedruns too

[sly remnant]

it is

[formal gust]

even better for high heat speedruns

[sly remnant]

its no hera bow tho

[formal gust]

it can compete with hera for speed honesrly

[mossy zinc]

This is a good build and setup. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/782268720479207474/Hades_1177.png

[formal gust]

but you need the right hammers

[sly remnant]

please ignore nyaanyaa

[loud coral]

Rama's better for biomes but Hera shreds in bosses, but I guess most cases I would take Rama

[true fable]

is this some sort of hazing ritual

heras weakness is already aoe

[formal gust]

rama also shreds bosses what

[mossy zinc]

Mirrorless Hestia was honestly pretty chill.

[daring hedge]

rama shreds bosses too given you pick the right hammers

[true fable]

its exacerbated with js3 cp2

[formal gust]

the chunk potential is rea

l

[sly remnant]

oh rama is very fast

but like

i click RMB three times. I hold LMB

i'm a hera god

[mossy zinc]

Hestia, Chiron, Eris, and Excalibur are all very easy for 32 Heat.

[daring hedge]

nuke delivery system hera

[formal gust]

^

arthur makes anything but very high heat super easy

[sly remnant]

(hera was the first weapon i fell in love with)

ye most weapons are absolutely fine up to 40

[loud coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/759541019871019010/787006976458621018/unknown.png Build isn't what I recommend but here's what I recommend for 32's pact:

[daring hedge]

newish players will call arthur the most overpowered weapon in the game by a hundred miles, and then high heat players will be like hmmm no

[loud coral]

Opposite from what I've seen actually

[sly remnant]

i would not take CF2 on achilles

[daring hedge]

and both takes are valid

[formal gust]

in any situation but high heat arthur is insane

that weapon carries

[loud coral]

It's too late, I can't turn it off

[true fable]

i dont think you actually see any stratification in weapon strength until late 30s early 40s

[loud coral]

I'll do a one heat run then turn on CF2

help

[true fable]

since you can just take the speedrunning pact

[sly remnant]

100% agree with this

[main thorn]

y not?

[daring hedge]

i mean, pretty much everyone who has done very high heat arthur will agree that it's extremely rough going most of the time

it's by no means OP

[loud coral]

but beeg numbor

[true fable]

seems like a major slog lol

not looking forward to it

[daring hedge]

it's honestly modest number

not even huge

[loud coral]

Did the 48 run use DC btw?

[true fable]

nemesis does more numbers

[daring hedge]

no

[true fable]

if we talkin just swords

[daring hedge]

still almost timed out on TD2

[formal gust]

arthur has more range and tankiness

[burnt perch]

pure Aphro cast build, damn

[sly remnant]

gold is actually very good at getting your build up and running so elysium isn't such a nightmare. You don't have to high roll. In addition cast builds want a lot of boons and a lot of poms. Most of which cost money especially in asphodel because you have so few rooms.

[loud coral]

I can't use Nemesis at all, rarely crits for me

[formal gust]

nemesis is basically "I am very vulnerable so I will just kill you before you kill me :)"

[loud coral]

might not wanna use that build lmao
Best build is probably Eris with Zeus attack or Chiron with Artemis Special (take Aphro attack for Heart Rend)

[burnt perch]

@loud coral I wouldn't be able to pilot it at high heat tho

[gaunt fiber]

Use Zag sword, less rng

[sly remnant]

Everything being so expensive in asphodel means you are getting like 2 rewards out of the entire biome

[true fable]

also means ur usually missing tart midshop boon

which means one less boon for first UC

[main thorn]

@sly remnant Yeah that makes sense but which weapons would you say you could take convenience fee 2 then?

[true fable]

hestia

lol

[sly remnant]

hestia is the big CF2 fan

[formal gust]

hestia just does not care about anything

[daring hedge]

slap shackle on hestia and go to town

[formal gust]

hestia is pretty based

besides blue hearts

[sly remnant]

the rest of the weapons....i don't think need CF2 until 40+

[burnt perch]

I am still entertaining idea of doing it with a Lambent plume Zag sword or Zag shield

[true fable]

woah did the swear filter get relaxed

[sly remnant]

a few weapons can run CF1 from 32 - 40

[daring hedge]

i noticed that too lol

proxy on break

[true fable]

lol

[daring hedge]

LOL

[formal gust]

welp

[true fable]

slackin

[main thorn]

oops

[sly remnant]

LMFAO

[formal gust]

[HECK]

[main thorn]

Did not know there was a swear filter lmao

[formal gust]

sugar honey ice tea

[gaunt fiber]

family friendly discord

[north dove]

bot was going to let it go until you mentioned it

[formal gust]

family friendly discord about hell

[gaunt fiber]

yes

[formal gust]

[main thorn]

Ahh yes let us teach our children to yeet their blood at us.

[gaunt fiber]

Don't question it or I'll call Proxy

[main thorn]

Proxu UwU

[gaunt fiber]

zz

[formal gust]

I like when people say "just drunken dash to avoid dc on arthur hahahahahahhah"

[true fable]

i think you are overthinking 32

if those are the weapons you are most comfortable with go for it

[sly remnant]

i agree with bright

[daring hedge]

yeah, plume runs are more memey and not necessary for 32

[sly remnant]

hey i used drunken dash a lot on my beo run for that reason

[true fable]

you need purple greater evasion and great room rng lol

[main thorn]

surely tidal dash would be better?

[formal gust]

yeah but it doesn't completely remove the issue

[true fable]

both seem unideal

tailesque what do you think about RI3 for arthur

[daring hedge]

probably kind of rough but i think with greater consecration it could work out

but if you're not running AP2, tartarus would be plenty doable and you could gun for reflex in asphodel with rolls

[true fable]

do you use the double hit bug

the oversky exploit lol

[rain sedge]

@burnt perch here's some tips to help for your 32 heat

[daring hedge]

i don't think so because i don't know how that works lol

[sly remnant]

i don't know this one

[rain sedge]

#h1-high-heat-strategies message

[gaunt fiber]

Don't

[daring hedge]

i sorta remember hearing about it

[true fable]

you can standing attack then dash attack really quick and both will hit

let me see if i can pull a clip

[gaunt fiber]

oh ok you're not flexing

[rain sedge]

nah he seems nice and asks politely, so I'm being helpful

[gaunt fiber]

that did not stop Nyaanyaa lmao

[true fable]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bw5e058wxva7k3z/Artur 2 tips.mp4?dl=0

heres the oversky clip

[daring hedge]

was half expecting that message link to be this #h1-builds-and-combat message

[true fable]

lmaoooo

[rain sedge]

lmfao I see the message now

[true fable]

oh god that cursed oceans bounty image

[sly remnant]

mmm

is that an arthur bug?

[daring hedge]

over 300 obols from one room, imagine

[sly remnant]

i just kinda thought it was part of the weapon

[true fable]

i think its a bug

[rain sedge]

I wanna do a hoarding slash run where I have 4k gold

[formal gust]

only 4k>

?

[sly remnant]

ye i did my boonless with hoarding slash arthur

[rain sedge]

I'm poor IRL so have to cosplay

[daring hedge]

turns arthur into a thick rapier

[true fable]

ive been asking for a 40+ heat 4k+ obol run

any takers?

[gaunt fiber]

stop asking and do it

[daring hedge]

i mean i'll do it

[formal gust]

lmao

[true fable]

hehe i do not want to play on laptop

[formal gust]

"ok fine I guess I'll do it"

[true fable]

LOL

[formal gust]

"because I want to not becuase you asked me to"

[rain sedge]

what happened t your PC

[true fable]

i wish there were high heat based category extensions but i guess boonless and mirrorless are sort of those?

i split time between SD and LA

right now PC is in SD and i am in LA

:^)

pain

[rain sedge]

"SD"?

is this an american thing

[gaunt fiber]

stubborn defiance

[true fable]

san diego

[rain sedge]

ah, bEt

[sly remnant]

boonless and mirrorless are a good start to category extensions

[true fable]

i am not engaging with that schad 🙂

[sly remnant]

but we should come up with more

[rain sedge]

it's just trolling 😦

[true fable]

:)))))))))

[rain sedge]

trolling is fun 😦 😦 😦

[true fable]

is the appropriate high heat analogue to meg romance%

all romance%

?

god that would take so much nectar

[sly remnant]

all romance and meg % are so much rng

[daring hedge]

you've reminded me that i have maxed rama in hell mode but meg still won't be nice and give me batty

pain

[true fable]

lol

[formal gust]

simp for rama, not meg

Bows before hoes

[sly remnant]

it would actually take me so long to get husbando shield in hell mode

[daring hedge]

it's surprisingly quick, er, quicker than i expected at least

[burnt perch]

thanks a lot!

[daring hedge]

around 17 runs to get the other hidden aspects

[sly remnant]

yea but i'm bad

i'd lose a lot more runs

[daring hedge]

and that was with me forgetting to get enough aspects for GY to show up

[rain sedge]

NP, you can ask to the helpful people here if you have problems

[true fable]

tailesque you did level 1 GY hell mode first try

[daring hedge]

lol

[true fable]

[daring hedge]

i did get charged skewer to be fair

[rain sedge]

ah, the classic "do things first try that others make as their project" from tail

[true fable]

im starting to understand what nyaanyaa meant

[sly remnant]

jUsT gEt ChArGeD sKeWeR

[rain sedge]

mhmm, mhmm, me too

[daring hedge]

hey excuse me who declared they were going to do hell mode lv. 1 GY huh

nobody

[sly remnant]

lmao

[daring hedge]

i did that by accident

[true fable]

wow this is even better

LMAO

[rain sedge]

omg this is exactly like what nya said

[gaunt fiber]

sounds like an interesting challenge

[daring hedge]

i was doing the GY to the surface prophecy, forgot how terrible GY is with zero blood

got charged skewer

and the rest is history

[true fable]

😠

[formal gust]

idk what else could be a category extension

[rain sedge]

let's make up challenges for tail

[daring hedge]

i do like the idea of challenge categories, and boonless/mirrorless are fun

hey no

[rain sedge]

eris without attacking?

[true fable]

stygian shard damage%

[rain sedge]

rama but only special?

[true fable]

rama only special is just the zeus build

[sly remnant]

phase dad category 🙂 completely unbiased idea

[formal gust]

arthur special only

[daring hedge]

haelian rama %

[sly remnant]

LMFAO

[true fable]

these are all legit builds

[rain sedge]

double nova made this actually pretty good at high heat, no?

[true fable]

yeah

[formal gust]

but you have to take zeus special

[rain sedge]

in fact I think I'd prefer that to anything else except for double edge at high heat

[true fable]

🥴

[sly remnant]

charon% high heat

[rain sedge]

OH

charon boonless 40 heat in tartarus

[formal gust]

I was thinking of that but charon is too rng

[rain sedge]

any weapon

[daring hedge]

that's honestly very easy

like hestia or rama can mess him up

with shackle

[sly remnant]

yea you'd have to ban shackle i think

[rain sedge]

I forgot the shackle

[daring hedge]

with no shackle yeah that could be tough

[sly remnant]

distant memory high heat charon %

[true fable]

even then heartbreak strike rama would nice dece

hmm

[formal gust]

is there a way to have no keepsake equipped

[rain sedge]

isnt distant memory good with rama

[daring hedge]

not really

[sly remnant]

rama is a melee weapon

[daring hedge]

very small damage increase if it works, and yeah

[formal gust]

there is also no indication of where the damage distance is

[daring hedge]

rarely shooting things far away

[gaunt fiber]

kinda hate that keepsake tbh

[daring hedge]

it's pretty bad

[formal gust]

like would it be too much to have a small circle

[true fable]

i wish theyd rework it in some way

[formal gust]

to show what the range is

[daring hedge]

same

[true fable]

it makes no sense

[sly remnant]

i mean tbf

[rain sedge]

yea the range is pretty far

[sly remnant]

like half the keepsakes in this game

are unplayable

[formal gust]

yeah

[rain sedge]

I think you have to hit it offscreen radius on switch

[true fable]

true

[formal gust]

remember spearpoint meta

[true fable]

baj did use the myrmidon bracer

[sly remnant]

spearpoint is good at EM4

[true fable]

for arthur 45

[daring hedge]

high heat feather duster %

[formal gust]

a lot of the defensive ones are okay

but acorn

[gaunt fiber]

unplayable is a strong word

[true fable]

oh high heat feather duster first to 15 health things

[formal gust]

that is straight up just rng

lol

[true fable]

most category extensions are

for that matter

most of this game is

[sly remnant]

High heat minotaur. have to take minotaur rush (seed it in), have to get over 400hp and you can only move with bullrushing except where the game makes you

[true fable]

that sounds like no dash% with more steps

[gaunt fiber]

hammerless GY

[daring hedge]

I feel like a well-centric challenge could be fun and help cast aspects thrive in it specifically

[sly remnant]

yea

[daring hedge]

Considering stone and braid

[sly remnant]

we need more cast focused category extensions

since boonless and mirrorless....essentially ban them

[daring hedge]

Yeah

[rain sedge]

hourglass is a legit dps build for casts tbh

[sly remnant]

or you just play without a key part of your aspect

[rain sedge]

but you rarely want a dps keepsake

[gaunt fiber]

like this https://www.hades-fansite.com/hades-weekly-challenges/HWC06

[rain sedge]

at high heat

[true fable]

stygian shard damage

[daring hedge]

lol

[sly remnant]

i think my first 40 heat beo kill had hourglass

[true fable]

i just want to see what a phoenix statue does with 4 shards

[sly remnant]

its legit

[rain sedge]

phoenix statue?

[daring hedge]

They had to nerf hourglass at one point

[true fable]

the regen statues in elysium

[daring hedge]

The encounter increase was insane

[rain sedge]

I'm confused

[sly remnant]

hourglass will probably be the meta again at any heat honestly

[true fable]

what re you confused about

[rain sedge]

why does it matter what the status do with 4 shards?

it's just decoration no?

[true fable]

theyre traps

for enemies

[gaunt fiber]

^

[rain sedge]

5Head

[daring hedge]

Yeah, debris counts as trap damage

[true fable]

stygian shards, little known, are the only other source of multiplicative damage other than crits

theyre multiplicative with each other so you can see fun 6 digit dmg numbers

[rain sedge]

ah

[sly remnant]

i always buy stygian shards towards the back half of tartarus for this reason

[true fable]

just phasing alecto with 1 shard

[rain sedge]

I don't get the whole alecto trap meme thing btw

I dont think she walks to them that often

[gaunt fiber]

really?

I noticed there were traps thanks to her

[rain sedge]

ya rly

but I am a casual so these subtleties in the game escapes me

[true fable]

thats fair

can you even see traps on your gaming platform of choice schad?

[gaunt fiber]

oof

[sly remnant]

i do wish trap usage was more of a thing at high-heat

i definetly think about it in tartarus....but as my build gets online i use them less and less

[true fable]

only weapon where i consciously think of traps is soaker

pushing nerds into arrows in elysium is so satisfying

[daring hedge]

i wish it was a viable strat to carry shards to EM4 and have dad basically melt himself with urns

but he takes hugely reduced damage from them

[true fable]

dang that sucks

btw that reminds me, the dad poseidon glitch is alive and well

[daring hedge]

wait what's that

[true fable]

so be careful using poseidon boons on him at the end of phases

you can yeet him to the upper part of greece

where theres usually a fish

[daring hedge]

lmao

[true fable]

and then when he starts part 2 you cant hit him

[daring hedge]

even with a ranged aspect?

[true fable]

https://clips.twitch.tv/TiredCoweringShieldHotPokket

yeah i think it hits a barrier

[tidal flame]

lmao xD

[daring hedge]

god that's so funny

dad please come down from there

[tidal flame]

son are you winning?

not anymore

hahahahaha

[sly remnant]

imagine dying to timer at high heat

because dad goes off the map

[true fable]

i mean you just have to give that up

[main thorn]

That would be fucking tragic

[true fable]

dad cant kill you and you cant kill him

proxy incoming in 3...2...1

[tidal flame]

Proxy is dead

[true fable]

...ahem

[tidal flame]

Long live the bot

[daring hedge]

proxy ma'am hello

[tidal flame]

Rejoice everyone

@sand agate

You ded bro

[true fable]

loooool

i didnt even know you could @sand agate

[tidal flame]

This is my only chance to swear

Ima do it

[gaunt fiber]

lol

do it

[tidal flame]

HECKING

[gaunt fiber]

...

[true fable]

FRICK

[daring hedge]

BEHAVE

[tidal flame]

NO

[gaunt fiber]

temptation too strong

[true fable]

SHIRTBALLS

ok proxy ded

F

[main thorn]

oh ffs I literally swore again. And I don't really swear that much irl

ffs is an acronym so technically I outdone the bot this time

[tidal flame]

Proxy is taking a vacation after last night's Game Award

[true fable]

dw about it it's honestly funnier that proxy is just off duty

[gaunt fiber]

don't remind me about that

[tidal flame]

G*mers were too powerful with their swim swims they disabled proxy

[daring hedge]

it's fine, at least you're cool about the no swear policy lol; some people throw tantrums for not being able to say frick

it's kind of hilarious

[true fable]

yeah it's just not the hill to die on lmao

very american thing

picking small hills to die on

[rain sedge]

"of choice"

[tidal flame]

After the hill is leveled to a valley they would still die on it

[rain sedge]

not sure about that

[daring hedge]

my freedoms to say frick and heck.... stripped from me

[tidal flame]

See: The Confederates

[rain sedge]

but no joke I turn off damage numbers at high heat

[true fable]

sorry, your prison

[rain sedge]

to lag less and to see animations better

[tidal flame]

same

I already know the damage number

might as well turn it off

[daring hedge]

i need immediate feedback of the damage i am doing i will never turn off the numbers

[true fable]

i usually dont but might start for weapons with a huge amount of visual clutter like soaker

[tidal flame]

Proxy left the server

xD

[gaunt fiber]

we are free

[true fable]

if you get ruptured sea storm jolted on soaker you literally cant see enemies

[daring hedge]

also that's extremely hypocritical of me to say considering i've been playing monhun long before MHW numbers

[tidal flame]

I see no Admins up here, only me

[main thorn]

Why tho? Why not "Experience the thrill and insight of violence represented in numeric form."?

[true fable]

how do you like monster hunter world

[gaunt fiber]

yeah MH without number was perfectly fine

[tidal flame]

Eww violence, I don't like violence, that's why I play dating sims like Hades.

[daring hedge]

i liked it a lot; it lacks the specific older gen charm that the games up to generations ultimate had but still enjoyable

[true fable]

hades is a fishing game

[daring hedge]

all weapons felt way more expressive

more so in iceborne too

[tidal flame]

is MHW worth it?

[true fable]

ive never played, is it newcomer friendly or is there a better title

[gaunt fiber]

totally

[main thorn]

@true fable wdym by the soaker?

[gaunt fiber]

but man the claw is boring at some point

[main thorn]

is it lucifer?

[daring hedge]

it's the most friendly to newcomers of all monhun

[sly remnant]

i envy this man

[true fable]

soaker is a meme build with tempest strike lucifer

[main thorn]

Ah so I guessed correctly

[sly remnant]

its very bad but a lot of fun

[tidal flame]

Seastorm Super Soaker

[true fable]

it does pitiful damage and you mostly get by through body slamming and wall slamming people

and hope for an ungodly number of zeuseidon boons

[sly remnant]

but when you get the god build online

[main thorn]

That does sound enjoyable at precisely 1 heat

[tidal flame]

Tempest Strike Fists

It sounds cool

[daring hedge]

please no

[sly remnant]

i have a practice save at 36 heat soaker

[tidal flame]

Must be good

[sly remnant]

EM4

[true fable]

ive done it on 32 but plan to do 40 heat soaker if i make it through everything else on my streak

[daring hedge]

the only poseidon centric build i will accept for fists is the talos yank n yeet

[true fable]

so a big if

[tidal flame]

Tail you should do a Tempest Strike Fist run at high heat

and make it meta

[true fable]

the talos yank and yeet is very fun

[main thorn]

I mean if you can tidal dash gilgamesh you can probably tempest strike gilgamesh?

[true fable]

noooooo

i mean you can put it on there

gilga you can play by just dashing lol

so you dont really have to ever attack if you dont want to

[daring hedge]

run deadly flourish on demeter aspect alongside it and give all credit to poseidon undeservedly

[tidal flame]

do you mean very deservedly?

[true fable]

tempest strike tidal dash fists sounds like absolute chaos

how do you

hit things

[sly remnant]

enemies can't kill you if they never know where they are

[main thorn]

I'd rather Lightning strike and Tidal dash for the seastorm

[daring hedge]

anti-magnetic zagreus simulator

[honest kernel]

Probably not doing Twitch again

[true fable]

you cant get sea storm from dash anymore

[honest kernel]

Quality drop's notable

For my videos

[true fable]

yeah thats what i was noticing too

[honest kernel]

Unless I record at the same time

[main thorn]

I also put the poseidon special

[true fable]

idk what else to do though

i guess i could simultaneously record

other strimmers dont seem to have an issue with quality though

so i think its something wrong in my i/o settings in streamlabs

[honest kernel]

Probably the same here

Except it's OBS Studio

[true fable]

i'll ask someone in the speed disc to help when i start strimming in earnest

[tidal flame]

I can give an eye too if you need

[honest kernel]

Either way

Added a 45 Achilles, Arthur and Rama run to the spreadsheet

[true fable]

baj you didnt want to continue the achilles meme

[honest kernel]

Not every meme is eternal, Bright

[true fable]

😦

our memes were just dreams

should i even submit 40 zag sword/lucifer? it's some pretty vanilla stuff

[main thorn]

You won't get shamed right?

[true fable]

depends who you ask

[sly remnant]

40 heat is very respectable

[formal gust]

do it, people who don't like it because it's not an insane challenge are jerks

[main thorn]

I just realised how bad the barge is at higher heats

[daring hedge]

do it!

[true fable]

i might submit some more "exciting" runs when i get further in the streak

[main thorn]

Yeah go on

[true fable]

zag sword i got ME last room lol

it was quite sad

i forgot to turn on legacy 😦

i actually think barge is the easiest miniboss

[gaunt fiber]

submit whatever you want yeah

[true fable]

just kind of forces a summon

[daring hedge]

overall or aspho?

[main thorn]

Nah that's Charon

[true fable]

if you want to get out in a reasonable time

oh aspho

i think doomstone/butterball take the cake for easiest overall

[daring hedge]

yeah agreed

[formal gust]

ball of butter

[daring hedge]

doomstone is pretty much never a threat

[formal gust]

gives you diabetes

[main thorn]

I understand why people struggle with butterball but you just have to circle it as you attack it

[true fable]

yeah i dont think ive ever died on accident in the doomstone room

it can be tough if you dont use a summon for butterball

so i get that

[main thorn]

True

Like the eye summons can get annoying if you don't have a good cast or aoe

[true fable]

coincidentally many of my pbs begin with resets in doomstone room

[daring hedge]

i kinda like witches circle since it's easy to clear quickly without using up a summon

[true fable]

true

i still believe in being able to one shot all of them with no meg on beo

i think vorime was labbing it for a while

dont know what came of that

[daring hedge]

lol, like corralling them pretty much?

[true fable]

yeah

[formal gust]

idk how many times I have used meg on DC mini bosses because muscle memory

but it's a lot

[true fable]

im gonna plug my non-dc 4 witch meg again

just in case someone finds it useful

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/523766792963751936/781098230372106260/Screenshot_199.png

same thing but reversed works for the other side

[daring hedge]

i love being able to meg DC champs immediately with rama because the special comes out and bounces fast enough to strip the hearts before meg finishes

[main thorn]

Can I clarify what you mean by reset?

[formal gust]

rama privilege

[true fable]

i do it with rail too

[daring hedge]

yeah, any quick ranged option

[true fable]

uhh purposely dying because my run isnt going anywhere

mostly on anyheat speedruns

[main thorn]

ah ok

[true fable]

sometimes on 32 heat speedruns too

[formal gust]

reset andy

[true fable]

i dont really reset at all on high heat

why reset when you could simply die

[formal gust]

any reset andys in chat

[mossy zinc]

I did.

[daring hedge]

me after dying to EM4 hades: i just needed to reset, run wasn't going anywhere

[main thorn]

Why don't you just give up instead?

[true fable]

then it's not unseeded

[daring hedge]

messes with unseeded

[true fable]

giving up keeps the seed

[mossy zinc]

Lv.1 Guan Yu hell mode mirrorless 32 though lol.

[daring hedge]

ah i see

[mossy zinc]

No. Don't see it. Go away. Play Hades Aspect or something.

[daring hedge]

lmao

[main thorn]

bru

How do you pick between battie and mort?

[daring hedge]

you pick battie

[honest kernel]

Mort's slower delay makes it a lot harder to use

And is usually not worth the extra damage

[true fable]

there are very few phases in the game with 3500 hp

i do want to try mort a little more though

i used to use him a lot

some people also use antos btw

[sly remnant]

i've actually been considering using mort for weapons that don't deal with DC well

but i'm so used to meg

[main thorn]

I got battie first and quite liked it but mort can have the enemies move out of range so much and it can get annoying

[main thorn]

y's that?

[honest kernel]

More time to get rid of the Damage Control shields

[true fable]

you can cast mort than strip the dc

dang

ninja'd by baj thats a first

[daring hedge]

at least most of us can agree that rib is most definitely not good

[honest kernel]

But legit, I don't think it's been labbed enough

Rib's wack

[main thorn]

Yeah rib is ass lmao

[true fable]

but you can use rib to heal

[sly remnant]

rib's great for streaking

[true fable]

with Gy

[main thorn]

it's all about fidi

[honest kernel]

Rib is essentially a free BP room/Erebus Gate pass

[daring hedge]

rib for one draining cutter heal

[true fable]

fidi is unironically pretty good

[sly remnant]

rib is also incredible for erebus gates

[daring hedge]

this is actually a good point i hadn't considered

interesting niche

[main thorn]

oh that is totally true!

[daring hedge]

oh baj said that too

[sly remnant]

(i wish i could say i thought of it but i saw bablo do it)

[gaunt fiber]

I once summoned Skelly vs theseus, Athena call obliterated him

[honest kernel]

I've been using it forever for that lol

[true fable]

lol

[honest kernel]

Until I made the Battie switch

[mossy zinc]

Rib was a lot better when only Rib and Shady worked on Hades.

[honest kernel]

And I got better at Erebus Gates

[true fable]

how does rib stack up against elysium gates

[honest kernel]

I legit don't know

Probably good against Mega-Gorgon, not sure against Butterfly ball

[sly remnant]

elysium gates would be a lot more valuable to me if they had the capability to get chaos

[true fable]

did rib still get like 1 shot by hades though back then

[daring hedge]

yes

[true fable]

lol

[honest kernel]

Yup

Shredded by lasers

[daring hedge]

not quite 1 shot but like

[honest kernel]

And like 2 combos

[daring hedge]

he will survive a double spin and maybe MAYBE a spear throw

then he's gone

[honest kernel]

Still better than nothing

But yeah

[mossy zinc]

Rib was great for helping me with the summon phase on Beowulf.

[honest kernel]

Rib's a crutch

[mossy zinc]

Skelly died to the Chariot in 2 seconds, but I didn't.

I like not dying to Superelite Chariots.

[true fable]

im not partial to it either

i think my least favorite thing has to be when soulswords wriggle out of hitstun and smack you twice for 40

[honest kernel]

Or they suddenly decide to phase out of reality for a second and go off-screen

Like ???

[mossy zinc]

My least favorite thing is when I lose.

Because.

Like.

I shouldn't?

They should patch that.

[rain sedge]

I like rib a lot

it's a nice crutch

[gaunt fiber]

You should try not dying

I've been trying it lately

[formal gust]

it's a difficult trick

[gaunt fiber]

Works pretty well

Yeah sure

[dire steppe]

my favorite thing is when Nya loses

[sly remnant]

i'm like amir in that i always want people to succeed on their runs no matter what

[true fable]

if amir wanted us to succeed he wouldnt have made AP

youve told yourself lies

[rain sedge]

I'm a casual, it's hard for me to do that

[rain sedge]

you mean sac mechanics

[gaunt fiber]

I know it's hard

But you gotta try

[true fable]

that poseidon attempt has left a lasting impact on your psyche

[rain sedge]

real talk, if I close my eyes, I can still see myself mid poseidon animation, dying at hades at 40

like the time I got 5 sacced at my 50 eris didnt even hurt as much

[sly remnant]

i still beat myself up over throwing my first 50 run that got to hades

like get over it tyler

you beat it

[gaunt fiber]

you gotta move on

[honest kernel]

Watching Haelian's stream, peeps are suggesting Sea Storm Zeus Shield

help

[gaunt fiber]

I don't think I have any run I regret like this

[toxic token]

I have some runs I regret... some times my controller bugs and I can't control it for a small amount of time but it's enough to kill me... happened today when I reached Hades...

[sly remnant]

its healthy to not have runs you regret

[true fable]

lol

i love hael's chat

i dont have enough brain to remember bad runs

only the next one

need all the neurons i can get

[honest kernel]

... Meanwhile I can recall some of the worse goofs I've done

Altho the best one was literally clip'ed lol

[true fable]

its a good shame clip

now we just need a crepes one

[trim sigil]

All i remember is spending 3 thousand years with pre-1.0 delta chamber on hades fight

[gaunt fiber]

Magma.png

[waxen relic]

#h1-victory-boasting message

46 ZagShield Recording for Spreadsheet goes up tomorrow

Somehow made it with Dread Flight in Tart i think.

[toxic token]

I know it's different for everyone but how many hours are needed to reach 32 for most?

[waxen relic]

I think that's mainly depending on when they start going for it. I had no intention for it for many many hours.

[toxic token]

Oh I see

[true fable]

very nice

i only started going for more heat once i was like 100-150 hours in tbh lol

[toxic token]

Maybe it's about focusing only on a weapon or not

[true fable]

i was very fixated on steam achievements

[toxic token]

Well I'm not doing them separately I'm going for heat and I'm almost done with achvs

[true fable]

ok haha

just saying thats what i did

not saying its what you should do

[toxic token]

Yeah I was just wondering everyone takes their time

Maybe it was kinda a dumb question

[true fable]

i was just very obsessed with 100%ing the game

did a bunch of runs just to level keepsakes, etc

and then i got 100% and realized i still wanted to play the game 🤷

here i am

[toxic token]

Yeah I'm doing that too but the only ones remaining are dusa's and charon's which I don't like at all

So I might do them without heat

Well ofc its well made

It accomplished the roguelike genre goals

[lusty mirage]

the game becomes more like a traditional rogue-like once you unlock and max everything, then what you do on a run doesn't matter to the next one

[toxic token]

The rng system might be the best out of all roguelikes

You have your choices to make and the rng is just as much

[true fable]

@lusty mirage are you braintm on twitch?

[lusty mirage]

no

[true fable]

oop

carry on

LOL

[toxic token]

Lol

[mossy zinc]

Mods, please help. m being bullied by this evil creature.

[dire steppe]

;)

[formal gust]

while you're at it ban everyone who called me dumb for not knowing you had to press special for zeus shield to come back at you

[true fable]

proxy is dead and we have killed them

i see no gods up here

[mossy zinc]

I choose you, @gaunt fiber. Use Tackle on @dire steppe.

[formal gust]

down here*

[true fable]

also cin

you have 1k runs

[formal gust]

2 of which

[true fable]

a light roasting was deserved

[formal gust]

are zeus shield

[toxic token]

Oh it's a pokemon fight

[formal gust]

the first one I don't think I finished

[sly remnant]

like when everyone found out that i didn't know fiery presence worked on cast....AFTER i did my 50

[true fable]

LOL i was wondering why it was a tie for you

"he lacks the critical info"

[mossy zinc]

I think my pokémon broke. It's not responding.

[true fable]

or when i learned that pom scaling is independent of rarity

lol

i think you broke astaos a long time ago

[dire steppe]

i still havent gotten a food reward 200+ runs in

or merciful end

[sly remnant]

food reward?

[true fable]

food reward is a first run thing right?

[mossy zinc]

We had no clue how pom and rarity scaling worked for the longest time in Early Access.

[true fable]

ive only ever seen it in aspho on first run

[dire steppe]

apparently you can get it if you fated authority in erebus or something

[true fable]

the food reward is literally the best thing in first run

[mossy zinc]

And what about it?

[true fable]

i can see that gif in my brain

[mossy zinc]

[gaunt fiber]

Astaos.

[tidal flame]

lmao

[gaunt fiber]

I ain't broken tho

[gaunt fiber]

that was funny

But there's no way I'm roleplaying a pokémon come on

[sly remnant]

lmao

[mossy zinc]

You just did.

[gaunt fiber]

yeah because I thought it was funny

but that's about it

[toxic token]

Plot twist: is actually a pokemon

[tidal flame]

so a Meowth

[gaunt fiber]

You would be responsible too

[true fable]

why me

[gaunt fiber]

passive bully

[true fable]

now how does that one work

[gaunt fiber]

because you know of my suffering

[tidal flame]

Cyberbullying is not cool guys

[gaunt fiber]

and you did nothing to help

[true fable]

isnt this whole channel responsible then

[gaunt fiber]

of course

but you in particular

[true fable]

D:

[formal gust]

true

bright has bullied me nonstop

called me a traitor

[true fable]

because you are

[gaunt fiber]

lol

[true fable]

first it was infernal beo then it was arthur

[formal gust]

trying to gaslight me

[gaunt fiber]

come on you can play more than one aspect

[true fable]

ok what part is gaslight ing

where is the lie cin

[formal gust]

you made me question my faith

[true fable]

????

[gaunt fiber]

burn the witch

burn bright, Bright

[true fable]

i feel like giles corey

more stones

hit me again boyo

[gaunt fiber]

[honest kernel]

Haelian

Why

[true fable]

what happen

[honest kernel]

He's trying 58 Zeus shield

[true fable]

orly

[honest kernel]

Yes

[true fable]

dang

what a guy

[formal gust]

beat him to it

[honest kernel]

I bet he times out in Tartarus

[true fable]

any progress?

[honest kernel]

He's just starting

[formal gust]

ddos him

[honest kernel]

TD3 EM4

At 'least he didn't max JS lol

... He even wants to try out Mort

The madlad

Nvm he's going Antos

[mossy zinc]

lol your WR is done if Haelian is serious about this. Just speaking from experience.

[true fable]

hael actually trying is a scary thing

[honest kernel]

Considering how he plays with Zeus shield, I have some doubts

[true fable]

if he wants to i think he could learn it but i think he might get distracted

before that happens

man does a ton of different stuff

[honest kernel]

He'll def get distracted before he gets out of Elysium lmao

And then, EM4

[rain sedge]

@true fable ya bright, stop being an enabler for bullying

[true fable]

😠

ok this is gaslighting and bullying

😠 😠 😠 😠 😠

wow that is much more intimidating than i expected it to be

@honest kernel do you think he makes it to elysium?

[honest kernel]

Doesn't have CP2

So he might

... As long as he plays the Lernie fight right

He's not gonna have much health for it

[rain sedge]

I'm gonna watch too

[rain sedge]

you're gaslighting us by saying we gaslight you

[mossy zinc]

Enabler lol you're all victims, and now you're turning on each other. How amusing.

[true fable]

the US way

[rain sedge]

what's up with the heroic crush shot???

[tidal flame]

can we ban Nyaa now?

[honest kernel]

The way he leaves the special hanging is giving me a headache lmao

[true fable]

is he shackling

[honest kernel]

Ye

[gaunt fiber]

^

[rain sedge]

yea but the crush shot, what is that

[tidal flame]

heroic

[mossy zinc]

Help. m being bullied.

[rain sedge]

making victims fight each other is the true bully way

congrats nya

[true fable]

so we're all in agreement then?

[rain sedge]

yea I get it's heroic, but why? what happened? it's in tartarus? why is he taking that?

[tidal flame]

26hp

rip run

[honest kernel]

He skipped a +50 hp Erebus Gate too lol

[mossy zinc]

Why are you watching his stream and talking here instead of his chat lol.

[honest kernel]

🤷‍♂️

[true fable]

yeah we should get back on topic

banning nyaanyaa

[rain sedge]

moooods

[true fable]

[honest kernel]

yield

[mossy zinc]

I don't always agree with Haelian's decisions, but he makes it work.

[rain sedge]

yo he has 1:23 left at tartarus

[honest kernel]

With Bouldy into Than

[rain sedge]

ah I see

[true fable]

what a fast feller

[mossy zinc]

Can't argue with results.

[rain sedge]

@mossy zinc mod is here, any final words?

[gaunt fiber]

🍿

[rain sedge]

damn real talk though I can't get over the heroic crush shot

what is that even for

[honest kernel]

AP2

Zeus Cast trade into that

[rain sedge]

yea but HEROIC

[honest kernel]

u r granted mercy carry on have fun

[rain sedge]

alright I guess I get it

[gaunt fiber]

what

[rain sedge]

whoa whoa whoa

[gaunt fiber]

corruption has taken roots upon this land

[rain sedge]

she never granted any mercy, how does she get one??

[true fable]

we need justice

[mossy zinc]

[rain sedge]

JUSTICE FOR US

[true fable]

she paypaled you on the low didnt she

[honest kernel]

is her crime being TOO good at the game?

[rain sedge]

revolt revolt

[true fable]

corruption at the highest level

[gaunt fiber]

???

So once I'm good at the game I can make people be my Pokémon

What a time to be alive

Don't think me

[rain sedge]

top 10 anime betrayal

this is like when anakin betrayed the jedi and sided with palpatine

and the rest of the jedi order was like, "you?? you were supposed to save us!!"

[gaunt fiber]

do destroy them, no join them

[mossy zinc]

My only concern is to help you all become better players and solve max heat together. How could you do this to me.

[gaunt fiber]

That's true tho

You monsters

[rain sedge]

stockholm syndrome WeirdChamp

[true fable]

D: astaos with the long con

[rain sedge]

these are awful enemies haelian is getting

[honest kernel]

8 minutes already

[rain sedge]

baj how does it feel to see a coup to your throne in plain sight?