h1-high-heat-strategies

[bronze viper]

This pact is trash

[wraith imp]

In retrospect, it is FITTING.

AP2 kills more high heat runs than any other pact.

[bronze viper]

Idk if that's directly true

But it contributes to most losses yeah

HL is probably the pact that translates to the most deaths

AP2 is certainly responsible for the most non-deterministic deaths

boon replacements, UC screw etc.

Hammer screw, Chaos screw

[mossy zinc]

Well.

Now you know what Alecto is talking about.

[proud jay]

46 chiron done

im sorry

[bronze viper]

Recorded?

[proud jay]

yeah

but it can go higher

[bronze viper]

Lol, this is a new speed record for you

Crushing Nyaa's dreams, any %

[proud jay]

just trying to make a statement that chiron is very good potential at high heat

[bronze viper]

i'm already practicing bosses again, but I'd like to get ||authority for companions against Dad too, I think Dusa might be nice in phase 1||

[limpid nymph]

welp I was in the middle of my 44 chiron run in elysium to try to snipe the record, turns out my snipe got sniped!

it's okay

if I beat this it will be a nice new record

[bronze viper]

You can pile on the Nyaa dreamcrush at least, putting her in 3rd

[limpid nymph]

lol

just got AP2 trolled into chain shot so that may not be happening...

[mossy zinc]

lol it's all good.

@proud jay you're not sorry.

[limpid nymph]

just...need...to...aim...at....the...other.....one....

[mossy zinc]

Congrats, anyway.

[trim sigil]

Nyandertal%, new category

demolish delicate troubles with raw solutions

[mossy zinc]

Being #2 or #3 with Chiron after maybe 3 runs in total with the aspect.

I'm fine with that lol.

[limpid nymph]

ok I hate greatshields nvm

[mossy zinc]

[limpid nymph]

[mossy zinc]

Searching for "hate greatshields" is funny.

Even if it's only 11 results.

[limpid nymph]

lol

[mossy zinc]

but it's programmatically impossible to dodge 5 Elite greatshields spin attacking you while comboing off and ignoring damage

I can't.

[limpid nymph]

we need charon to get rid of the greatshields while he's at it with the flamewheels

[graceful prawn]

new charon item: no more enemies at all

[mossy zinc]

No need for an item for that. Just don't leave the House.

House%

#hades-house-strategies

[limpid nymph]

but I already don't do that

[mossy zinc]

Then you're already ahead of the meta.

[craggy mesa]

Has anyone ever done a run with at least one level in every pact?

[trim sigil]

It was a weekly run, actually

23 heat iirc

[clever otter]

its still the most recent weekly challenge since it was right before the break, so you can see it in the pins in #h1-builds-and-combat

[chrome bramble]

what companion do you guys use

🤔

i used to use the skelly one but now i use shady for the emergency heal

[mossy zinc]

Antos.

[chrome bramble]

i havent unlocked that one yet

[wraith imp]

thanatos, antos, meg in that order

[mossy zinc]

Bouldy doesn't heal with LC4, so that's not an option for me.

[chrome bramble]

dunno why the story wont progress, im like 150h into the game now

its the last thing i have to unlock

guess i gotta meet the dude more often in the third zone or something

[wraith imp]

one of the tricks to using gilgamesh is to apply maim on hades and then using thanatos. maim applies a 25% damage burst. 3500*1.25 = 4375 damage. can be super useful in getting through in phase 1 of em4.

[chrome bramble]

isnt it hard to hit him with it tho

when he throws spears and disappears and so on

[proud jay]

That's why I use Antos for EM4

[mossy zinc]

For story progression stuff, ask in #h1-story-discussion. If you think it might be bugged for you, you can ask in #h1-tech-support for help.

[wraith imp]

when he goes into invincibility phase, i call thanatos halfway through (since delay for than) and dash-in, maim, dash-out...

[chrome bramble]

mhh the guy has been giving me some new dialogue, so i guess that must be it

[mossy zinc]

Antos just generally feels like the best damage summon to me. But I think more important than the choice is how comfortable you are with landing the hit. They're all very similar in damage, ultimately.

[dim jetty]

If there is only one enemy does Antos hit it twice?

[trim sigil]

Yeah

[mossy zinc]

If there are two enemies, can they hit both enemies twice? Yes.

[bronze viper]

I find Meg to personally be the most consistent to use with easy of landing it and range

[mossy zinc]

Ease of landing?

[bronze viper]

Antos is terrible for clearing gross normal rooms for instance

Antos has a huge delay

[mossy zinc]

I don't think it's possible to miss with Antos, though.

[bronze viper]

Power Couple

[mossy zinc]

Never missed them.

[bronze viper]

I've missed hitting Skullcrusher a lot

[mossy zinc]

Hmmm. Probably what I was saying earlier, being comfortable with the summon you use is most important.

[bronze viper]

Also if you want to say, nuke down a Chariot but you're surrounded by normal enemies with DC hearts, Antos can't really deal with that

You can't tell him which target to attack in a crowd

[mossy zinc]

I imagine I'd miss with Meg sometimes because I summon her too early if Antos has more delay lol.

Yeah, that's fair. I've improved at dealing with Chariots, though. I want to stop relying on things like summons for those.

TD2 kind of helps a lot with Chariots.

[bronze viper]

I don't typically spend Summons on Chariots. I just spend runs

[mossy zinc]

Because you're not in such a rush.

[uncut wigeon]

:shadesmile: Heart-Seeking Bow (Hera Aspect): fixed certain interactions with Crush Shot (Aphrodite)
:shadesmile: Adamant Rail (Hestia Aspect): fixed instances empowered shots could fire successively

Boons & Blessings
+ Merciful End (Athena x Ares): combo effect can no longer activate multiple times from a single instance of the Doom Status Curse```

[random bough]

rip ME

wait what

[mossy zinc]

Wasn't that some bug on ME?

[random bough]

sounds like a bug

[uncut wigeon]

I've come ot terms with the fact hat I just don't like the way the rail plays

[mossy zinc]

It be like that sometimes. I never liked Chaos Aspect too much. Sometimes you just don't vibe with an aspect.

Thankfully there are so many.

[uncut wigeon]

I don't really like any of the rails

doing shotgunny things was fun

[mossy zinc]

I didn't like it at all at first lol.

[uncut wigeon]

and laser stuff is kinda neat

but bleh

[mossy zinc]

Took me a while to like it.

[uncut wigeon]

I technically have a great seed and I just can't get myself to care

[graceful prawn]

I adore the hestia aspect, makes it feel usable

[mossy zinc]

Well, it took Hestia tbh.

And I've been like Eris.

[uncut wigeon]

Hestia is the one where special makes your damage boosted, right?

[graceful prawn]

that would be eris, hestia makes your first shot after a reload a lot stronger

[uncut wigeon]

oh yeah, so Eris, have a daedulus seed with the rocket hammer for it

should be great and fun and its all bleh

even when I could fire 3 rockets in a row

[mossy zinc]

I just do Attack builds with Eris with Lightning Strike and watch it murder everything.

Getting +75% on both your base attack and all of your Chain Lightning is lol.

Then you get Smoldering Air and get +75% on all of your Calls.

[sharp dagger]

@mossy zinc youre always in this chat when i click into it 😄
but i have a question about the fist, so you might help me: I unlocked the forth ones and i found myself basically not using the dash special...but they still felt pretty good! I know the utility is next to non but the damage feels insane! Am i wrong (when talking about higher heat, im still working my way to that)

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, I could unmap Special right now on Fists 4, and it would make no difference to how I play lol.

[sharp dagger]

but i have to say i missed my magnet fists, so i will probably stick with them 😄

[bronze viper]

Okay... well for the record I do enjoy being proven wrong, but I think Chiron is probably just the best bow. 43 unseeded, with one of the clumsiest runs I've ever had. Just didn't matter. Uploading now

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, I had issues with Zag bow before at 40, but 43 today was easy lol.

[uncut wigeon]

Chiron was always the Gawd bow

[mossy zinc]

Though tbf I think I tried very hard to make TD3 work with Zag bow at 40.

[uncut wigeon]

What did they buff on it?

[mossy zinc]

Everything.

They buffed Attack and Special on bow in general.

[hollow lynx]

pretty sure it was +10 dmg across the board, plus faster recoveries on both

[bronze viper]

animation, damage, recovery frames

1 attempt. Let's see... blunders...

• Forgot to take Arrowhead, I wanted to go Deadly Flourish. Not bad, just spent 2 rerolls to get Heartbreak Flourish
• Forgot to take a Zeus core boon to be eligible for Smoldering Air. Took like Heaven's Vengeance or something.
• Just didn't take Acorn to Elysium. Totally forgot to switch from Owl Pendant.
• Didn't lose a DD in an Elysium Athena chamber. DD was offered, obviously.

Didn't even burn through my Acorn to kill Dad.

[mossy zinc]

But did you make friends along the way like I did?

[bronze viper]

Lol

Leaderboard going to look pretty sus

Eris
Rama
Chiron
Chiron
Chiron

[daring hedge]

lol

[mossy zinc]

No one is adding their runs to my spreadsheet lol.

[bronze viper]

I will once it's up

[honest kernel]

😔

[mossy zinc]

As far as I know, the only high heat clear in 1.0 is from @daring hedge.

Only person on the board.

[arctic spade]

Any tips for the Minotaur and the sqear guy? forgot their names

[shut field]

in a high heat situation?

[arctic spade]

high heat?

[daring hedge]

You are in the high heat channel

[arctic spade]

so i guess #h1-for-new-players regarding bosses?

[shut field]

well if you're looking how to beat them for your first couple of runs, then that would probably be better yes haha

[arctic spade]

ah sorry about that.

[daring hedge]

No worries!

[wispy bluff]

what is the current heat record?

or is there a max?

[honest kernel]

54 and 57 routed iirc

max is like 62 idk

[wispy bluff]

Yer watching 57 rn

[shut field]

Way back before a lot of stuff wasn't implemented I know people went to 120 lol

but pre-1.0 stuff shouldn't count

game was totally different

[mossy zinc]

Pretty sure there's been 1 or 2 50 Heat in 1.0.

[wispy bluff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9a_YXOGtIY

[mossy zinc]

Keep in mind that run was routed all the way through Elysium. You won't have RNG anywhere close that good without routing.

[wispy bluff]

By that do you mean manipulating the rooms?

[shut field]

no, what's on every route is predetermined, so you can plan ahead and restart

[wispy bluff]

Oh really?

I've only beaten the game like 3 times

So I dont know much about it

[mossy zinc]

There's a lot of RNG manipulation in that 57 run, yes.

[honest kernel]

thats why we usually count it seperatly

from non rng manip runs

[trim sigil]

Ugly duckling of high heat runs

[bronze viper]

45 unseeded down, took 2 attempts 😦

#trashfire

[mossy zinc]

2 attempts.

[olive patrol]

So the math is done on artemis/aphrodite attack boons because they're both in the top for best damager modifiers to attack/special?

[mossy zinc]

I had time for one run today lol.

Get WR and y'all like let's bully her because she can't play more than that.

@olive patrol it's done because I felt like doing it lol. But yeah.

Well.

[trim sigil]

Daily hades runs when

everyone will have 1 shot

[mossy zinc]

Because crit benefits more from any extra +% boons, so I wanted to see how much you'd need to surpass Heartbreak Strike.

[bronze viper]

@mossy zinc Sent request for edit privileges on heat spreadsheet

[mossy zinc]

@trim sigil the rude thing is they all told me they're not doing high heat much really.

Then I do 1 high heat run in months.

[bronze viper]

We all came out of the woodwork to kill your record :3

[mossy zinc]

Right.

Does it not allow you to add your run as comment?

@bronze viper

[trim sigil]

Tbh now I'm also obligated to beat your record :^)

too bad i can't, because fresh file

[bronze viper]

Nvm I see it now

[mossy zinc]

I can't easily revert changes if I make it open to edits, so I'm hoping commenting works to safeguard it from abuse.

[bronze viper]

Do you just want the highest record of each aspect + player?

[mossy zinc]

Any high heat run you want to add.

I'm not verifying nothing. I just wanted to have a list again lol.

If people want to add 32 or whatever, I'm not judging.

[trim sigil]

More stats gud

[bronze viper]

Done

I guess next project is 50 Chiron seeded, but I need to learn EM4 to do that. If you asked me a couple of hours ago if I thought that I would be excited to do Chiron at 50 heat I would have laughed pretty rudely.

[autumn sable]

unfortunately, there's no way to confirm those runs are unseeded without a death/win start

but there are currently 2x 50 heat unseeded runs in v1.0

[bronze viper]

Oh, crap, thank you for reminding me, I'll remember to do that in the future.

[autumn sable]

i'm happy to record good faith unseeded runs from select people but that's obviously a slippery slope that is out of my hands

[bronze viper]

I can see both sides. I'll let you be the judge on that one though, I posted the links in #self-promotion earlier.

[autumn sable]

already saw them

[proud jay]

easiest setup for 50 chiron seeded clear probably wouldn't include EM4

i've made it to dad a few times at 50 heat but i just get stomped very quickly

oh crap, i just realised my 48 heat so called unseeded clear didn't even show a death before the run

no wait, yes it did, @autumn sable just listed it under seeded

[autumn sable]

it's a clunky and inelegant solution

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[bronze viper]

Grumble. 49 shouldn't be bad, but the next easiest pact would be Personal Liability. The 50 configurations are all pretty gross, or AP2

womp womp

[uncut wigeon]

My boy chaos shield had to die so my baby Chiron could live

FO2 dad is a learning curve

😦

[maiden geode]

What is the heat record?

[sharp cobalt]

I believe it's 57 still?

[maiden geode]

that's...really hot

I appreciate that max heat is pretty much impossible

[halcyon crest]

remove timer and anything is possible

[mossy zinc]

50 Heat in 1.0.

@autumn sable I think it's a good solution. Seeded until proven otherwise. Plus, it's what they deserve for going out of their way to beat the one high heat run I do in months.

[bronze viper]

Well, that's embarrassing. I was so certain Meg killed me that I snap Gave Up, but footage would suggest that no, I killed her. Our hitboxes were overlapping.

[mossy zinc]

[toxic cave]

I really did think Poseidon was trash until I got Duos with him and Zeus

[mossy zinc]

it's what they deserve for going out of their way to beat the one high heat run I do in months.

[toxic cave]

I'm a bit embarrassed, that run was the most damage I've ever output

[bronze viper]

Until you've felt the intense stupid that is Smoldering Air + Poseidon's Aid + Rip Current

[mossy zinc]

Poseidon is good for calls and passives.

Cast can be quite nice, too, but not my first choice for a cast.

[toxic cave]

I got the legendary that makes all lightning effects launch a lightning bolt, then got it paired with the duo that makes all knockback also cast lightning

[bronze viper]

Probably my second though?

[toxic cave]

and knockback on attack

it was pretty lit

[bronze viper]

It's the cast that makes Poseidon's Aid most likely to be offered later :3

[mossy zinc]

But also less likely to be offered than if you took a passive lol.

[bronze viper]

It might even out. You filled up a core slot, they're a lot more likely to come up

Not sure how that math works out

[toxic cave]

has anybody else been having a blast going really high Heat with the sword hidden aspect?

I have maybe a max of 2 or 3 Heat with all the other weapons, but that aspect has me at 12 Heat rn

I think I got from 1 heat to 7 heat with no deaths with it

it feels absurd

[mossy zinc]

We're doing usually 40+ Heat or at least 32+ here in this channel.

[toxic cave]

oh boy

[mossy zinc]

But yeah, Excalibur sub-20 can clear without looking at the screen lol.

@bronze viper I'm not sure they actually are tbh. I've been paying attention to that lately and priority only seems to matter for like the first or second boon? Maybe just Tartarus?

You can easily reroll 3–4 times later without being offered 1 priority boon.

Or maybe it's only if you don't already have a priority boon from that specific god?

I actually haven't played Excalibur yet in 1.0.

[bronze viper]

Interesting. I guess I"ll also pay closer attention

[dull scroll]

Excalibur is super fun, and is my favorite sword aspect, but it's completely unusable against FO. And going up to 3 or more HL takes over the damage mitigation, too, forcing you to dodge and stab rather than do full combos

[bronze viper]

These are both completely true statements

[mossy zinc]

I think it's perfectly usable with FO2. I never used it without FO2 lol.

[loud raptor]

We're doing usually 40+ Heat or at least 32+ here in this channel.
Ö

so this is... the superhuman channel, respects

[bronze viper]

You should have seen the excessive displays of skillful but petty arbitrary ones-upmanship earlier today lol.

We're fickle gods

[mossy zinc]

I'm still the #1 female Chiron player.

[bronze viper]

You play Hades like a girl

[mossy zinc]

Yes.

Proudly.

[bronze viper]

Abusing sample sizes, it's pretty easy to say therefore that girls are better at Hades on average than boys. That's how math works, right?

[mossy zinc]

If that's what the math says, then it must be true.

[sharp dagger]

Does Nyaanyaa only get 82 coins per 100 gold room reward? 😦

[bronze viper]

That's only the adaptive programming that allows others to perform at her level

[sharp dagger]

^true

[mossy zinc]

I get 250 obols because I'm cute.

[sharp dagger]

dammit, and i thought me and Charon had a thing there 😦

[bronze viper]

;_; AP1 nooooo. Lol, my meme from earlier came to pass, common Quick Recovery, Quick Reload, with epic Greatest Reflexes slashed.

[dull scroll]

Oof

I can't count how many times AP cut out lightning strike on my rail runs

[mossy zinc]

Cool.

Sounds like fun.

I always forget if Quick Recovery works with LC4. I think it does, though?

[bronze viper]

I'm so bad at watching for it. Mostly because if I am dodging something I am not looking at my health bar

No idea what the window is, or if it works with LC

[mossy zinc]

Same. I never pay attention to it lol.

[bronze viper]

I took Quick Reload in case I got Lightning Rod.

It's probably wrong but at least I notice a difference lol

[mossy zinc]

lol

Best thing about boons from Lord Hermes is they're all sellable.

[sharp dagger]

do i need a hell mode savegame btw to access max heat? becasue of personal liability?)

[minor rover]

nope, dont think anyones completed MAX heat, high heat is accepted with or without hell mode

but if u want to specifically go for the highest heat possible i think youd need hell mode

[sharp dagger]

mhh...so not something for now but definetly a project 😄

[minor rover]

its probably possible but no one has done it to my knowledge, think the highest is around 57?

[sharp dagger]

yeah but having the option would be nice 😄

[minor rover]

oh yeah for sure, if ur interested in high heat Nyaanyaa Mewmew and ledgerdamayn are quite helpful (didnt wanna @ them)

[sharp dagger]

im still a newbie but im curious about high heat, working my way there step by step (homeoffice so ive got all day LUL )

[minor rover]

being at home does have its benefits 👀 XD

[honest kernel]

u can do a hellmode save but I dont know much ppl who actually run hellmode

it doesnt change much at all

personal liability gives you +2 heat I guess? for the cost of being able to get combo'd

[static plover]

it's only +1

[honest kernel]

ah

yeah this isn't doing much

[static plover]

HL1 LC1 JS1 and CP1 are all permanently on as well as Personal Liability

[honest kernel]

well yes but in the context of high heat runs hellmode doesnt really change anything

as long as no one aims for max heat anyways

[static plover]

pretty much yeah
I liked the suggestion someone had in the feedback channel of making personal liability purchasable as an end game (ie. post epilogue) contractor item in the regular game

[honest kernel]

it would be great, not having to start another save for that

[mossy zinc]

It changes that you don't get to turn off JS1 CP1 for e.g. TD3. And Personal Liability matters quite a lot.

It doesn't matter often in a run, but when it does, it can easily make the difference between losing the run right there or breezing through.

[honest kernel]

yeah I didnt mean that the pact doesnt matter just that 1 heat difference isnt worth making a new save for imo

[mossy zinc]

I think it makes for a fun change of pace sometimes. I still play my normal mode save primarily.

[somber rose]

How do I build beowulf for 32 heat without killing too slowly under TD2?

[wanton plover]

try praying for the charge throw hammer but still shields are kinda tough against TD

[honest kernel]

I havent done any beo builds without charge throw so idk

I imagine minotaur rush and some nice cast coul do the jpb

[mossy zinc]

Heartbreak Flourish, Passion Flare, Heartbreak Strike.

[trim sigil]

Currently going through a fresh hell mode savefile, and tell you what, fighting JS1 CP1 with base Zagreus Sword, almost empty mirror and no perma upgrades is one way to make it hell, because of how long it takes

yet i constantly forget HL1 LC1 are even enabled

[mossy zinc]

I kinda like Hell Mode.

[trim sigil]

It's not the worst way for veteran players to experience game from scratch, but I definitely feel like there were more interesting ways to organize a difficulty+
Mostly because of how long everything takes to kill. Each Elysium enemy is a miniboss at this point

[mossy zinc]

That's the fun part lol.

[trim sigil]

To each their own then

I have said my part at that

[hollow lynx]

doubles all damage done to you for until the cast comes out of you

getting hit by a spin for 80 damage (at base) is quite a trip

[edgy arrow]

ever more fun when it’s 160 lmao

[halcyon frost]

not really a high Heat strat, but I figure it would be the same people would know. What are your builds to go fast? I just posted my fastest one on the victory boasting. I figured starting with deep pockets and Hypnos Keepsake would be a good call. I picked mort as my companion, and I went Zag shield with doom on the special, Aphro attack and I got lucky enough to pick up the duo as intended. Yet 13 minutes still feels like there is huge room for improvements. Any thoughts?

[weary saffron]

does the old one shotting lernie strat still work? with meg companion

[halcyon frost]

haven't used battie in a while, but my god those were good times.

[weary saffron]

so by that react ill assume it was patched?

[daring hedge]

yes

[weary saffron]

figured just checking thx

[daring hedge]

@halcyon frost getting sub-12 or even sub-10 sometimes can just come down to getting a good hammer for your aspect and being smart/lucky with what core boon you get for your main source of damage

duos and legendaries absolutely can push times, but you usually don't want to rely on getting them

so builds that can get right off the ground with a solid core and/or a solid hammer are easiest to work with in that way

so, just as an example, rama can go extremely fast just by netting hunter dash and twin shot in tartarus

then you follow up by going for a decent to high +% attack boon

then you're pretty much golden for a good time as long as you're quick

[weary saffron]

triple dash attack on spear is chefs kiss

[daring hedge]

serrated point is one of spear's best damage hammers, definitely

[halcyon frost]

yeah I figured I went for gods pride over legacy in order to get the solid core. I also think that coin purse into pom blossom into black shawl is good for keepsakes?
Obviously getting a good satyr spawn and maybe getting lucky enough to be able to take a charon wall buff to the final fight are crucial but let's talk about the things that I can control. That Rama build sounds great for example.

oh yeah I love the hell out of serrated point

[trim nebula]

@daring hedge gods pride or legacy?

[honest kernel]

black shawl is a joke idk

[daring hedge]

both are honestly good, but i personally run pride more often. legacy is good for specific duo/legendary builds in mind like fast merciful end fist runs

[trim nebula]

Do u use priv status or fam fav?

I did a run with fam fav and gods pride to complete a prophecy and it honest felt amazing

[daring hedge]

i usually run FF because it's completely non-conditional unlike PS and at worst you miss out on 10-15% as opposed to PS, which is nothing

[weary saffron]

black shawl seems pretty garbo lol

[daring hedge]

it's basically urge to kill, which is never exciting or anything that makes a difference, really

[trim nebula]

i usually run FF because it's completely non-conditional unlike PS and at worst you miss out on 10-15% as opposed to PS, which is nothing
@daring hedge that’s true I should prob go for fam fav

[honest kernel]

the way keepsakes are usually spent on high heat is force god, force god/coin purse, acorn, acorn

[weary saffron]

ye agreed

[honest kernel]

ofc you can use whatever you're the most comfy with

[halcyon frost]

well we aren't really talking high heat here though.

it was specifically about how to get the fastest time

[honest kernel]

but this is the high heat channel

oh

[halcyon frost]

I know we are in the high heat channel

but in the earlier post I outlined why I asked it here anyways.

[trim sigil]

For the fastest times just replace acorn with more gods

[honest kernel]

I mean that still applies I think

you need to force a god for the build you want

[weary saffron]

if ur going for true fastest you could just go skull earring no?

[honest kernel]

and acorn for going ham on the bosses without dying

[weary saffron]

like over shawl

[honest kernel]

although idk how speedrunners build at all

[halcyon frost]

I went ham without acorn and still didn't die so acorn wont matter.

[trim sigil]

5 hits don't really allow going ham on power couple and hades ngl

[autumn sable]

acorn is not just for going full aggro but it also functions to maintain high confidence on the early phases of Hades, which you want to get through quickly

[trim sigil]

Now, high confidence is a fair argument, yes

[weary saffron]

do high heat runs use em4?

or pref other things

[autumn sable]

skull earring is functional but it's not nearly as consistent

[halcyon frost]

my god I am an idiot I should go high confidence obviously. And yes that would make acorn good.

[daring hedge]

high heat runs are starting to do EM4 more frequently, yes

it's a big heat chunk and we might as well get used to the fight anyways

though it should be said that you can definitely still do ~45 without EM4

[weary saffron]

has anyone done a full 63 run lol

[honest kernel]

no

[daring hedge]

probably will never happen outside of extremely heavy routing

[honest kernel]

yeah seems impossible for normal runs

bricks your game too hard

[weary saffron]

bricks ur game? how

[trim sigil]

20 minutes JS3 CP2 DC2 EM4

with no revives or regen either

[honest kernel]

you lack the dmg output to clear the game in time and also AP2

[daring hedge]

yeah, RI4 on top of literally everything else? fuhgeddaboudit

oh and AP2 how could i forget yeah

[weary saffron]

oh ur that youtuber from the calamity server right

neat

[honest kernel]

I know crabbar from a hat in time runs

[weary saffron]

gotta be the most hectic shiz ever lol

maybe with like hazard bomb and zeus attack you could burn through the rooms faster?

[daring hedge]

the sheer amount of insane luck and insanely consistent skill without making any mistakes anywhere despite every aspect of the game being buffed against you is like

[weary saffron]

yea lol

[daring hedge]

no possible build will carry you through that

especially since AP2 will make sure you can't get a build

[weary saffron]

ez TAS run

ap2 plus uc lmao

wack

[trim sigil]

Well, you kind of can still get a build with AP2. It just is extremely restrictive
In order to get 4 core boons from 4 choices of already decent 3 options you have to roll 1/81

81 run just to get what you want

[daring hedge]

a build good enough to clear 63, though, you really won't get that

[weary saffron]

if you give up the starting boon will be the same despite ap2 right?

[trim sigil]

Yes, and that's the final saving grace rn

At least you get to choose the best starting hammer seed

But it's still not enough to make the success steady

[weary saffron]

does TD take away acorn procs?

or just go straight to ur hp

[trim sigil]

Hmm, pretty sure it goes for hp

[weary saffron]

nice thats better

[edgy arrow]

it’d be kinda weird if it took of acorn procs i think

but i don’t think i’ve ever been in that scenario to know for sure

[trim sigil]

Lava does not take acorn, does it? If no, then TD won't either, most likely

meanwhile butterflies do

[edgy arrow]

lmao that was my last EM4 run

three champion butterfly balls on the map at the same time

absolutely horrifying glorious

[weary saffron]

lmao

[edgy arrow]

it didn’t help that my build consisted of nothing except a level 16 demeter’s flare

less “run” more “meme”, you could say

[halcyon frost]

yeah getting butterfly memed is the best

[edgy arrow]

agreed

10/10 would be memed again

[weary saffron]

demeter's flare?

[edgy arrow]

demeter’s cast, but on 4th shield/Hera

4th shield in this case

[weary saffron]

Ah

[hollow lynx]

not hera, it's still crystal beam

only on shield4

[edgy arrow]

wait what

that’s ridiculous lol

it should be flare

[hollow lynx]

the only cast that was changed for hera is trippy flare, and that's because there's no lobbing time for either

[edgy arrow]

ah, that must have been what confused me

[hollow lynx]

i think there's also a very slight damage change between trippy shot to flare

[edgy arrow]

but demeter’s regular cast has zero synergy with Hera

[hollow lynx]

i saw someone here who was repping cold embrace hera hard, so

[edgy arrow]

like, i feel like it would be straight up worse tbh

huh

[hollow lynx]

combined with parting shot, i'm sure it'd be a monster

[dull scroll]

I still wanna play around with Demeter cast, but it just needs so much investment into duos to be good

[edgy arrow]

is it actually good even with those duos tho

[hollow lynx]

it's a meme 😛

[dull scroll]

With how slow it turns, it's pretty hard to use without aprho or arty duo

[hollow lynx]

i'm sure it's fine

[edgy arrow]

i mean, it’s a good meme but that’s not what i’m questioning lol

[dull scroll]

but if you stack 3-4 of them on single target, the damage can be pretty good

[hollow lynx]

i can see cold embrace hera working because of how easy it is to position

[dull scroll]

Especially if it does freeze and arctic blast

[edgy arrow]

which direction do the laser start firing

away from you?

or towards the target you shot?

guess that might be the same direction

having trouble picturing how this would actually happen

[dull scroll]

You can aim it at a target, but the issue is that the beam turns too slow to follow any enemy

[edgy arrow]

oh yeah i agree it’s not great

just wondering how it works with Hera

or fails to work, as the case may be 😛

[dull scroll]

Oh, haven't tried that

not sure

Don't think that'd be a best case for it either

poseidon might be better

[edgy arrow]

achilles is prolly the best if you wanna actually make it good somehow

or do you mean poseidon cast on Hera?

[dull scroll]

I mean poseidon aspect on sword

Not a fan of achilles spear tbh

Though, not a fan of spear in general

[edgy arrow]

achilles isn’t a spear, it’s a wizard staff

didn’t really get it until i learned that lol

[dull scroll]

What's the damage increase on it at max level?

[edgy arrow]

150%

[dull scroll]

Pretty good

[edgy arrow]

yup

[dull scroll]

Yeah, better than poseidon I guess

cause you don't get to double-dip on the exit wounds value with demeter cast

[edgy arrow]

particularly if you’re going with curse of drowning, hunting blades or full wine

or in this case, laser beams lmao

yeah exactly

[dull scroll]

So does beowulf change demeter cast?

[edgy arrow]

yeah; turns it into an AoE that applies chill

[dull scroll]

That isn't bad either, but I just had the idea of a build where you put down the lasers, then hide behind shield while they go off

[edgy arrow]

lol

that might work with hunting blades

demeter’s casts is made even worse by the fact that hunting blades just does its thing way better

[dull scroll]

Well, ares cast with beowulf is just busted op by itself

[edgy arrow]

haven’t actually ran it much

[dull scroll]

Don't even need hunting blades

Just all the blade rift boons from ares

[edgy arrow]

it’s on my list for beo, now that i’ve done my aphro curse of longing build

conclusion: the curse of longing was really just a gimmick

which isn’t a huge surprise lol

[dull scroll]

I think merciful end might be more effective. On fists, or on shield maybe

[edgy arrow]

defs not on beo shield

[dull scroll]

Just have to switch real fast between your doom special and athena attack

[edgy arrow]

i mean, it might work but it’s too slow to be as good as other ME builds

[dull scroll]

Oh, not beo shield

It's slow

[edgy arrow]

Just have to switch real fast between your doom special and athena attack
or do them both at once with zeus

[dull scroll]

More like, chaos shield with dire misfortune, for example

[edgy arrow]

yeah the theory with CoL on beo was that i’d chuck doom on attack and just get CoL for free when i do my dragon rush with aphro cast

it’s kinda fun, but chucking poms into the doom and hunting for impending isn’t really worth it when you could just stack the cast more

[dull scroll]

I mean, beo ares cast is so good that there's no reason to play beo with doom

I was thinking more of like, what build can take the most advantage of merciful end

[proud jay]

Is it?

[dull scroll]

You'd want to for sure use the impending doom + merciful end

On a weapon that can quickly alternate between putting doom on the guy and then triggering it

So like fists or shield

spear maybe too, but I'm just not a fan of spear really

[edgy arrow]

rail is the other big one i think

[dull scroll]

Doom has more damage when it's on the special, plus extra damage from impending doom - into a quick attack that triggers it for big payoff

Rail would suck for that build though

Rail special is too slow

[edgy arrow]

nah just proc doom with dash, apply it with attack

[dull scroll]

Hmm

I guess

[edgy arrow]

means you need to grab a questionably useful divine flourish, but it’s worth it

[honest kernel]

are heavy aspects(most 4th aspect) still viable or consistence on extremely high heat?

[dull scroll]

You'd have to put doom on attack though, and that's not as good as doom on special

[edgy arrow]

what do you mean by “extremely”

[honest kernel]

like idk 16-32 or sort like that

[edgy arrow]

any aspect can do 32

[dull scroll]

It kind of depends on which mods you take. Excalibur doesn't mix well with DC at all

[honest kernel]

i know that, i mean consistence wise

[dull scroll]

Or with FO

[edgy arrow]

i mean, beo does just fine

that’s the only one i’m really qualified to answer on for sure

[dull scroll]

I'd say Excalibur, beowulf, Rama and gilgamesh can do just fine up to heat 20, no problem.

Not sure abt lucifer cause I haven't played it much

But Guan Yu is not consistent in the first place

[edgy arrow]

everything’s pretty fine at 20 i’d say

[honest kernel]

Guan Yu is that bad huh?

[dull scroll]

Again, spear is my least favorite

[edgy arrow]

people have done well with GY at high heats

it’s broken 40

you gotta be good with it tho i guess

i personally am very much not

[honest kernel]

i also like spear, the only thing i dont like is non-lucifer rails

[dull scroll]

I've had most success with rail, tbh

Even though I prefer bow and fists, the only 32 heat I've finished was hestia

[edgy arrow]

i’ve heard lucifer starts to drop off in effectiveness at higher heats

[halcyon frost]

I used to hate non Lucifer Rails, but I really turned around on it. You can make the rail do incredible things if you get the right hammers. With Spread shot, percentage boons on attack becom amazing for example.

[edgy arrow]

dunno when that really kicks in, tho; haven’t played it much

[honest kernel]

i feel like rail without knowing what to build wont get pass tight deadline easily

[dull scroll]

Well, that 32 run had TD2, although it was only EM3

[halcyon frost]

that proved true for me. Rail was my worst weapon until I got familiar with the different rail hammers.

[trim sigil]

GY is your fellow glass cannon aspect, except it lost the cannon part somewhere and traded it for fireworks

[edgy arrow]

the fireworks still hit like a cannon tho

[halcyon frost]

I'd sign that

[dull scroll]

My best rail time is 17:19. That was heat 16, iirc

[halcyon frost]

GY special is strong.

[edgy arrow]

that’s better than my best time overall lol

can’t speedrun to save my life

[trim sigil]

They only hit like a cannon when you get Charged Skewer back tbh

(but yeah, it's a fair point)

[edgy arrow]

or zag’s life, for that matter

[dull scroll]

Y'know, the actual best hammer ever is charged volley on bow

Can single-handedly win you a run

[halcyon frost]

I mean, any spear build sucks if you don't get good hammers.

[ebon orbit]

achilles cast builds don't care

[halcyon frost]

maybe I build achilles wrong, but usually my achilles builds want serrated point or extended jab.

[ebon orbit]

why would you want hammers in a cast build?

[edgy arrow]

i’m not a big spear buff, but i honestly can’t imagine not doing a cast build on it

no reason not to get serrated point as well tho

i mean, you don’t wanna go out of your way to get hammers

[trim sigil]

25% decreased dash is a really strong reason not to

[edgy arrow]

but sometimes they land in your lap

[dull scroll]

I still have to learn to play achilles, but the only way I've been able to win with spear past heat 10 was with Hades

[edgy arrow]

25% decreased dash is a really strong reason not to
okay valid point

[halcyon frost]

Well, looks like I do build it "wrong". I've been having success with dash/attack support fire on Achilles. Only went up to 23 heat though with spear and it is generaly my worst melee weapon.

[edgy arrow]

serrated point dash attacking would prolly be my goto if i didn’t do a cast build

i mean i could certainly be wrong ofc

pretty sure my highest with it is only 20, so you’re more likely to be right than me

damn close on my last 26 attempt tho

couple stupid mistakes v. Hades lost it for me

[restive citrus]

man EM4 is ridiculous

forgets I got completely destroyed by EM3 on release
"oh yeah EM4 should be pretty easy"
gets annihilated

though, anyone have tips?

I feel like the only real way is to go for a one-shot build to try to reduce the boss timer as much as possible

[uncut wigeon]

don't get hit

🙏

[restive citrus]

or play extremely defensively

man

[honest kernel]

I mean

[restive citrus]

sad days for an excalibur enthusiast

it's way too slow

for EM4

[honest kernel]

I just did em4 without all the other settings

bc I hate hades this much

not the game

but the boss

[restive citrus]

"just dodge Hades "

[honest kernel]

honestly I didnt feel much difference from normal hades on low settings

he just spins like 2 times instead of once

and then he turns the lights off

[dull scroll]

It becomes more of an endurance fight

If you barely squeeze by normal hades with 0 DDs left, then EM4 is going to require a lot of extra practice and adjustment

[honest kernel]

yeah

[uncut wigeon]

I tried him once

then he hit me with the spooky 💩 and I peaced out.

😂

[restive citrus]

maybe I need to stop going in full send at all times without lreading his attack pattern

[uncut wigeon]

well, just treat it like its a boss fight you're learning.

EM3 Theseus and Asterieus was a trip too.

[restive citrus]

cuirrently on 9 heat on all weapons

so it's gonna be a trip learning the patterns again

I'm like 'HAHA I DODGED YOUR SPIN HERE I COME" then he spins again

oh right

need to actually dodge on dmg, not to gap-close to deal dmg as well

I dash in, Hades winds up, no dash for .25 seconds, I eat a face full of spear

[dull scroll]

I'm so used to EM3 fight now that it feels kinda trippy to go without it

[restive citrus]

the funny thing is that EM3 is harder(? sort of) now because I am so used to going for hard burst I tend to burst Theseus as well and that leads to olympian calls from THeseus, which add onto the annoyance

[lost otter]

i kill bull first. becaus he go around.and have bull rush to you.and if spin + Theseus with olympian call= you take damage almost 100% .not fun when go EM4 and take damage rigth befor Hades.

[dull scroll]

I kinda prefer EM3 cause theseus doesn't block in first phase, so you can just chase him and burst him down first

Then try to go all out while he's casting to take him out and be left one-on-one with the bull

[idle sonnet]

Just tried heat and damn meg with her sisters seems like a really good challenging fight

[bronze viper]

I kinda prefer EM3 cause theseus doesn't block in first phase, so you can just chase him and burst him down first
@dull scroll Yeah, a lot of aspects prefer EM3 to normal Heroes.

[honest kernel]

so peopel are wondering whether to fight Hades EM or not on heat 32 or am i missing something?

[lost otter]

its personal pref. im pref figth with EM4 with less another punishment on 32.

[finite nest]

monke

[wraith imp]

@dull scroll Yeah, a lot of aspects prefer EM3 to normal Heroes.
@bronze viper
Agree.

EM3 is easier in some respects (ex: no more blocking by asterius).
But the big problems are the bombs, asterius massive spin, and the impact distance of his landing on the huge jumps.

[ornate dust]

only sword and spear left that i dont do 20heats. any recommended builds till heat20 ? aspect or boonwise.

[barren garnet]

aw man got to elysium on 32 heat and died to thesius after i killed asterius 😩

anyone know a good strategy for 32 heat

i use twin fists the most

and i do not have hidden aespect on sheild, fists, gun, or bow

[wraith zealot]

Chiron is bae

[wraith imp]

Oh no. I forgot to leave some "thank you" feedback in the #hades-feedback channel before it was permanently closed and archived. Dammit. Anyways.

I love how there's so much complexity in the game.
Boons that are garbage one aspect are amazing on another aspect and/or hammer.
And the heat settings allow players to set their own challenges. Benefits package alone adds so much variety.

[limpid nymph]

bruh

are you kidding me

on 41 heat with a zag spear

possibly the best luck I've had ever

and then I get a 5-sac

lol

what is this

I'm gonna have a minute to fight dad and I won't be able to buy anything

I did it somehow

[crimson zenith]

Hey, what build and pact options do you recommend for Chiron 32 heat run?

[limpid nymph]

you probably want artemis or aprhodite special from what people have been saying here

I've done 32 heat with ares actually, but I would listen to what other people are saying

athena dash as always is super nice

I've tried dio special too with low tolerance but in general artemis/aphrodite is faster which can help when you're kinda swamped

[limpid nymph]

poseidon is also an option but generally not as good as artemis or aphrodite

[patent umbra]

There's 3 runs on 1.0 in the pinned doc here for Chiron aspect. They all either use Artemis or Aphrodite, as Rune said. You can check them out for general builds that worked in their runs though

As for pact, honestly pact seems very malleable and do what works for you. There's a generic tier list of pacts...somewhere in here. You might have to scroll up for a while

[elder ore]

Why not zeus though? Chiron special deals 15 dmg each right? so zeus flat dmg increase makes it triple the damage (just on zeus common special), so that's basically crit everytime

[hollow lynx]

thunder flourish has an internal cooldown of .2 seconds

[static plover]

single target internal cooldown

[hollow lynx]

chiron strikes way too fast to get anything more than 1 bolt, maybe 2

[elder ore]

oh ok

[lost otter]

Why not zeus though? Chiron special deals 15 dmg each right? so zeus flat dmg increase makes it triple the damage (just on zeus common special), so that's basically crit everytime
@elder ore any way better take poseidon. and zeus some were. with poseidon Legendary and Duo with zeus ( Poseidon legendary after some delay do another Sea storm proc)

[elder ore]

so the knockback lightning duo boon doesn't have cooldown between lightning strike?

[lost otter]

in Chiron dont know.DONT play this bow.but Sea storm becoming insane in any weapon when your main source of damage Poseidon (with normal attack damage % on boons) + all zeus from sea storm. and Poseidon Legendary Just x2 all damage from this combo.

[bronze viper]

?

[sleek juniper]

EM3+ Theseus is a chump, as you can just smack him around, then once you hit slow down for his summon, call in Thanatos and toss in a small hit then dash away and the battle is done

[bronze viper]

EM3 Theseus also has a taunt phase, which is wonderful

Both from a flavor standpoint and a killing him standpoint

[mystic apex]

@daring hedge I swear all the weapons you pick up look really fun, watching your Rama run and now I'm gonna try it out afterwards lol

[burnt oracle]

I almost prefer EM3 Theseus to the normal version

at least with a bow

[bronze viper]

Lol, yeah that's mostly true until you play like, Malphon or Stygius

[burnt oracle]

I imagine melee would have a lot harder time

[bronze viper]

Some bows like Twin Shot Rama also struggle.

[burnt oracle]

I'm not a big fan of the Rama

too slow for me

[bronze viper]

Get out

[burnt oracle]

I use Chiron

[bronze viper]

Mhm

[burnt oracle]

gotta have me some seekers

[mystic apex]

I was just watching your 45 heat Chiron run too ledger, good stuff

[bronze viper]

This channel randomly became a very huge fan of Chiron yesterday lol. 4 records set in the space of an hour

Thanks. I was more proud of the 45. I played... less than ideal for the 43 lol

[mystic apex]

lol I'll take your word for it

[bronze viper]

For the 43 I just totally brain whiffed and took Athena's keepsake into 2 biomes

[mystic apex]

LOL

[bronze viper]

And did not realize until I got hit in EM3

[trim sigil]

Imagine if zagreus blade got the same fanbase

haha..

[bronze viper]

Weren't you the one who made it their mission to do 40 Zag last patch?

[trim sigil]

Indeed

[bronze viper]

Bold

[mystic apex]

does zag sword deserve the same fanbase though

[trim sigil]

Probably not lol

deserves way better one clearly

[bronze viper]

It needed to be buffed way more than 15%. For baseline comparison, Nemesis is 30% better in every capacity, but the 15% they buffed Zag aspect was on the sword's worst part.

[trim sigil]

30%? It's pretty much 1.6x actually

[bronze viper]

Sorry, more than 30% better, since Crit triples damage

Or more with Heart Rend

[trim sigil]

Given you do have to blend the special once in a while, saying exactly 60% is fair

[bronze viper]

I do not think Zag aspect would be broken with 50% attack speed

[mystic apex]

can't you just edit that 15% into like 60% in the game files? I wonder how that would feel lol

[bronze viper]

It would be great

But the aspect is bad enough now that it would not be broken

[trim sigil]

Depends on how attack speed works in first place. If it's 100-(attack speed) then 50% would double the swings

And given hermes boons on atk speed feel sizable it's probably like that

[bronze viper]

That's a good point, I didn't think about the possibility of it being calculated like that

I assumed that there would be math that would make 50% attack speed increase the number of attacks you could do in x seconds by 1.5x

But Swift Strike/Flourish feel better than that would be.

[trim sigil]

Yeah, it can work this way too. There are too few attack speed interactions for anyone to check that

[bronze viper]

LIke, Epic Swift Flourish on Chiron feels like you're using Rama special

[trim sigil]

we need a volunteer to try and get zag blade flurry hammer heroic swift strike

just for memes

[bronze viper]

• Piercing whatever

Wave?

Sure

[trim sigil]

Piercing Wave ye

[keen kettle]

Piercing Fire
Seeking Fire
Flurry Fire

Which one is best for Eris Running 32 Heat

[bronze viper]

Flurry

[keen kettle]

Merci

[trim sigil]

Flurry
seeking is rather dull and piercing is too niche

[keen kettle]

ignore my DM Ledger, same question

[bronze viper]

Seeking like... not even a hammer

I don't understand it's purpose with Auto Aim

Maybe that's it's purpose, to help Hestia players on KBM, in which case it's top tier lol

[trim sigil]

Funnily enough I had some fun with it and Support Fire just a few hours ago

[hollow lynx]

seeking fire isn't amazing

[trim sigil]

Just a ton of homing missiles

[hollow lynx]

now you have base 11 damage bullets instead of base 10! and they home i guess

[bronze viper]

It's base?

[hollow lynx]

doesn't change the range of the bullets at all lol

[bronze viper]

That's better than I thought it was

[hollow lynx]

is it not? it might be additive lol

[trim sigil]

Don't only charged hammers give base unless stated otherwise?

[hollow lynx]

if it's additive it's not good at all

i was trying to give it the benefit of the doubt

[bronze viper]

It's the other way around @trim sigil. Things that say base are multiplicative, and all Charged Hammers are base

[keen kettle]

Also i'm skipping to 32 heat rail without finishing bounties first lel

[trim sigil]

Well yes that's what I meant, albeit worded weirdly

Basically charged and whatever says base

[bronze viper]

(I'm still at 15 bounty on my PC shield, and I have Chaos at 40)

Good times

[trim sigil]

Good times indeed
currently at 7 in everything as well

Granted, probably could have jumped to 16, but not feeling like making risky underpowered runs even riskier for now

[keen kettle]

WElp

i ran out of time in EM4 hades

satyrs screwed me

was close as well, had smoldering air athena call

shouldve been easy if i had the time

[daring hedge]

almost had an anvil win at 50 lol

rip

[mossy zinc]

ever more fun when it’s 160 lmao
@edgy arrow HL5 and Boiling Blood are additive, so he'll hit for 120.

[vernal condor]

do you guys think of EM4 as an efficient +4 when you get to the upper 40s of heat or would you look elsewhere first

[mossy zinc]

Not efficient at 40+ because I still haven't done EM4 at all.

[bronze viper]

That depends. Have you spent the time to learn the fight? Are you a melee build?

[vernal condor]

i just went into EM4 not knowing what to expect with aspect of demeter

[bronze viper]

That fight is... intensely unkind to melee builds

[vernal condor]

got there with full health and all 3 DDs

and got slapped

[bronze viper]

That's about right

[mossy zinc]

@bronze viper moreso than EM3?

[bronze viper]

By a lot yeah

You'll see lmao. It is pretty much just full stop not going to happen with Malphon at very high heat, if I had to guess. The fight seems specifically designed to not let you win

[mossy zinc]

I was hoping EM4 would be a reason for me to not just keep it at EM2 with Malphon.

Evidently not lol.

[static plover]

EM4 from my limited experience with it is a brutal fight in general

[bronze viper]

Oh for sure, but mechanics I won't spoil for @mossy zinc make it uniquely challenging for melee in particular

[vernal condor]

i had an epic quick reload and exit wounds

[static plover]

||especially phase 3 which is arguably worth the 4 heat alone||

[vernal condor]

made extremely quick work of EM3

[bronze viper]

||Auras on errthang||

[vernal condor]

it was not as useful on EM4

[bronze viper]

I'm working on a project I'm keeping secret as to not get bablo'd, but EM4 is... a mistake lol. At least for now

Not a mistake of design. A mistake for me taking it in the first place.

I need some like. srs business quality time with Dad before putting it in my high heat rotations

[mossy zinc]

My 43 Chiron isn't even added to the leaderboard yet. Adding insult to injury.

[bronze viper]

Neither is bablo's tbf

47

[edgy arrow]

@edgy arrow HL5 and Boiling Blood are additive, so he'll hit for 120.
@mossy zinc yeah i was thinking that sounded high, thanks

i think its HS urns that hit for 160

[vernal condor]

if you are playing hestia would you rather go DC2 or EM4?

[bronze viper]

@mossy zinc How do additive and subtractive mods work? E.g. HL5 + Weak, what is the end damage?

if you are playing hestia would you rather go DC2 or EM4?
@vernal condor EM4 is pretty straightforward on Hestia

Hestia is the boss destroyer

[mossy zinc]

The end damage is . . . less.

[trim sigil]

Weak is multiplicative to all so the end dmg of HL5 weak is like 140%

or HL2

[bronze viper]

Wat

That's surprising

[trim sigil]

80 - > 56 on hades spinny bois

[bronze viper]

Neat

[mossy zinc]

I think I paid attention once many months ago and forgot since lol.

[bronze viper]

That's all damage reduction I assume?

[trim sigil]

Lady aphrodite really leaving no competition for herself
And most likely yes

[mossy zinc]

Of course.

Lady Aphrodite is unparalleled.

[trim sigil]

Rare sure footing destroys HS

[bronze viper]

It's the like the saying goes, "The best offense has the best defense"

[trim sigil]

Would explain why shields were so mvp

[bronze viper]

In Blood Price?

[trim sigil]

[bronze viper]

Beo hit like a ranged Excalibur that could ricochet.

Chaos hit everything the screen at the same time, often multiple times. And did so while holding up a shield.

[mossy zinc]

Rude. 225 base damage on any hit is way more than 200 base only on the third in a slow combo.

[bronze viper]

Lmao, I was being generous. There should be SOME reason to play Excalibur

[trim sigil]

It's being able to walk on lava, obviously

Makes EM2 a breeze

[bronze viper]

EM2 is a pain on Excal. White Lernies wreck you so hard

At least with FO2

[trim sigil]

Just sit on lava where he will never reach you, smh

[bronze viper]

lmao, strats

[trim sigil]

Next up: hunting for sure footing to lure furies on spike traps and easily shred them there

[bronze viper]

You're full of strats today lmao

Make sure to take the whatever trap damage Well boon

[mossy zinc]

Take Nighty-Night Shattered Shackle with you.

[static plover]

and then take a couple +% trap damage chaos boons too from blood price

[trim sigil]

The ultimate throwback build it is

[mossy zinc]

I liked those boons.

[static plover]

they where fun

[neon blaze]

Maybe it's because I'm only around Heat 10-15 (mainly EM, though I should probably pick EM4 less often), but I don't find Excal to be bad on EM2. The range's much bigger than base stygius so you can slash a couple heads at once. But then again, Excal is basically the only aspect of stygius that's working for me

[limpid nymph]

My 43 Chiron isn't even added to the leaderboard yet. Adding insult to injury.
@mossy zinc I wonder how my 41 zag spear clear fares

I was so proud of myself lol

[mossy zinc]

Do you have video?

[limpid nymph]

no, just wondering what people have gotten

[mossy zinc]

Oh.

Nothing 40+ yet with Zag Spear.

[limpid nymph]

oop

[mossy zinc]

Not in 1.0.

[limpid nymph]

now I feel stupid lol I didn't think to record and that took me a bunch of tries

[mossy zinc]

Pre-1.0, the best is 46.

[limpid nymph]

gotcha

[mossy zinc]

It's okay, the leaderboard isn't the world.

And it's not intended as a leaderboard anyway.

If you did 41, you did 41.

[trim sigil]

The leaderboards are going to update quite slowly, so you can be a former leader in a lot of aspects ♥️

[limpid nymph]

[trim sigil]

There's what, 2 dozen people actually chilling on 40+? hehehe

[mossy zinc]

Less than that.

I think we were about 15 before 1.0.

[loud raptor]

just you wait

[limpid nymph]

I'm far from "chilling" on 40+ lol I got carried by a couple of lucky boons

[loud raptor]

I'll be there in no time

[limpid nymph]

I got smoldering air

[mossy zinc]

If by no time you mean it will never happen, I'm with you.

[trim sigil]

If that makes you more comfortable, I got carried twice in a row too

[loud raptor]

also fails three 32-heat runs in a row

[trim sigil]

pfft

fail a 0 heat rail after 40 heat sword

Then we can talk

[mossy zinc]

Just do 52 first try like I did.

[limpid nymph]

yeah I still sometimes die to lernie on low heat if using malphon lol

[loud raptor]

I need higher frames, so sad

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, I'm esports. With an esports monitor and esports frame rate.

And an esxboxrts pad.

But where's the esports money.

[loud raptor]

that's paid in obols i presume

[trim sigil]

^

[bronze viper]

What're the bits to obols conversion rate I wonder

[trim sigil]

Depends on how many souls were reaped in the process

Not entirely high heat btw, but it's my mission to warn you all of a greater danger that can happen at times in Elysium
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/382184799407964160/762025512561279026/spearyeet.mp4

Just look at the exalted go

[flat bear]

Terraria... then Risk of Rain. now Hades

CrabBar I keep seeing you in every game I play

[chrome bramble]

whats you guys's opinion on the boon that gives you more damage for how much money you have?

i was on 1700 gold just now but the damage was still underwhelming

wouldve rather had like 7 more boons

died to EM4 hades last phase

and it was only heat 21

[mossy zinc]

That's a hammer.

It's not good at high heat. You want to be spending your cash.

[chrome bramble]

ye, figured

[bronze stratus]

yay

had my best first-run yet

[static plover]

[bronze stratus]

but still dead

gonna keep trying

[austere cape]

hey all, how do you synchronize RNG seeds for doing races?

[mossy zinc]

You'd just send two people the same save file, I guess?

Most of the high heat runners have nothing to do with speedruns.

Though, some do both.

They do races in the speedrun discord server.

[static plover]

so your best bet would be asking over on the speedrun discord server

a link to which can be found on the Hades speedrun.com page

[daring hedge]

well, like four 50 rama attempts made it to hades tonight, and none succeeded 😔

two of them didn't even have twin shot, one just lost to tight deadline after 4sack lol

[mossy zinc]

Have you tried to git gud?

I feel like gud-gitting would help you.

[daring hedge]

nyaa don't you dare

[mossy zinc]

Dare what?

[neon blaze]

Not sure this fits here, but for skelly's rewards, do you need to climb all heat levels one by one or can you overheat straight to the required heat level? Since I play whatever get the +20% boost it's climbing slowly

[mossy zinc]

You can just go to the required heat level.

[daring hedge]

dare to be rude

besides, we both know what i needed to do

and it involves rolling

of the barrel variety

[mossy zinc]

Gud-gitting implies barrel rolls, yes.

Do a barrel roll.

[flat bear]

First time 32 heat, from 20 heat before. I got to Hades, everything was going well then it spawned an elite chariot + invincibility gem dudes

._.

It ruined me

[bronze viper]

#$(@&$#)( Okay, that's enough for tonight lol. Made a temp save for a #blessed run with Chiron, testing HL5 FO2 EM4. Omfg, no progress at all what is this fight lol.

Spearpoint isn't worth it. His initial hits are too thick. Acorn is worth a lot more ||even if it doesn't have the chance to get wrecked by a Soul Catcher parade||

[flat bear]

How do you make a save point?

[daring hedge]

i swear i get triple soul catchers like 75% of the time with bad dad

and then i feel bad for even considering acorn

[bronze viper]

||I got double Sneaks this time|| I can't believe I found a combo I'd rather face less than 2 super elite chariots

[daring hedge]

oh no you can get TWO at once?

that's just constant stunlock, what the hell

[neon blaze]

||what's sneaks?||

[bronze viper]

Full disclosure, it's possible that one of them survived into the second summon round, and another spawned, but yeah, I have seen plenty of mini-bosses in general spawn in pairs so I don't see why not

[lyric hound]

@neon blaze it's a mini boss in the first area I reckon

[daring hedge]

yep, the one that teleports around

[neon blaze]

alright, that's what I guessed

don't know the english names well

[lyric hound]

I call him tchatchatcha

[bronze viper]

FO2 is worth more points, I don't see a reason to run EM4 at very high heat, this is truly insane. I think Eris might be the only aspect with both sufficient AoE with lightning, single target, and range to maybe even consider it atm.

[lyric hound]

'cause he makes a weird noise

[daring hedge]

i've had double skullcrushers, double soul catchers, and double doomstones, so yeah it seems double sneak would eventually happen too

anxiety!

[lyric hound]

when you say high heat you considering how many skulls ?

[bronze viper]

I am testing at 49 at the moment

My salt is pretty high at the moment but I'm in a position where I'd rather stomach RI3 or AP2.

[lyric hound]

49 gotcha cries in stuck at the last skelly statue

[daring hedge]

i got painfully close with rama at 50 a few times earlier but yeah i think the weapons that can confidently tackle high heat EM4 are pretty selective

or at least, it seems right now

as much as i love serrated hades, i don't know if it could handle that whole ordeal

especially with the increased dash distance penalty in 1.0

it's rough

[bronze viper]

I haven't tried with Rama yet. Chiron seemed safer, but the aspect has no way to deal with multiple big threats at the same time

[daring hedge]

on the bright side, after just grinding through to EM4 at high heat constantly, the rest of it continues to just get easier overall. like you were saying, i'm considering just turning off EM4 and slapping the points in something else

[bronze viper]

How do you make a save point?
@flat bear You can copy a Profile#_Temp.sav upon entering a boss room and rename it to Profile#.sav. Profile#.sav is only updated in the House of Hades. By doing this, every time you load the save (including after Giving Up), it will load into the boss room. It's nice to keep a bunch of these saves around to be able to make your own boss practice sets.

[limpid nymph]

Been meaning to practice EM4 a bit although I might need just as much practice with tisiphone I’m not proud to admit

But hey, 2/3 runs I’ll be fine

[flat bear]

Oh nice

Also highest heat I had done before was 20. I just beat 32 heat on my 2nd try. No lives lost on Hades either

Or at all during the run for that matter

Chiron having an easy time with EM3 helps a lot

Honestly it's almost easier than non EM for Theseus

[keen kettle]

Its Asterius thats a problem in EM

[honest kernel]

the fight is just rly long

[mossy zinc]

Getting killed by a Giant Rat whose health gauge hasn't even appeared.

In fact, it attacked me twice (dodged the first one), and its health gauge never showed up.

[loud raptor]

Phantom Rat

[fleet panther]

is heat level different for each weapon? kinda trying to understand how it works

[wanton plover]

for bounties, yes

[fleet panther]

so I can get the bounties for each weapon at lv1 heat?

and so on

[wanton plover]

yes

[fleet panther]

so I should mess with heat after I've cleared at least one run with the weapon ?

or can I go back

to 0 heat

[wanton plover]

you can change heat back and forth anytime anyway you want

[fleet panther]

alright thanks for the help

[somber rose]

Only 10 aspects left to clear 32h with. I've been having trouble with poseidon sword but maybe I was building it wrong? I was always aiming for artemis cast and exit wounds, aphro special, athena dash

[wanton plover]

ive seen that but zeus cast

the hermes boon that makes em come back automatically is also juicy

[olive patrol]

Any good videos of high heat runs where they talk about their decisions?

[wanton plover]

haelian and bablo do it on stream so maybe you can check out the vods

but lately haelian hasnt been doing many high heats, mostly speedrun

[honest kernel]

dont think theres any gameplay analysis stuff yet

takes a lot of time

[limpid nymph]

Yeah and it’s hard to stream high heat and talk about it at the same time unless you’re super experienced but I highly recommend going into streams and asking questions

[bronze viper]

Inb4 bablo 51 heat unseeded while streaming, cooking dinner and filing taxes

[limpid nymph]

Honestly how do they do it

[chrome bramble]

whats the twitch of this bablo fella?

@wanton plover

ty

[flat bear]

@keen kettle I don't have too much of a problem with him since I can just stay at range with bow. And for the leap you just have to dash through him to get behind him. The spin is just free dps for 10s

[cedar spire]

I've been attempting 50 heat a good amount on stream but bablo beat me to it. Checking out his heat set up, I got a lot of ideas out of his wins.

[flat bear]

Can't wait until you stream. I started playing a week ago and found your stream, then you stopped streaming for a few days!

[neon blaze]

Can you still beat Than at high heat? Finally turned on some non-boss combat modifiers, and even with ||my companion|| used I was far behind. Hard to race the scythe doom and gigantic aoe when enemies have armor.

Maybe it was because the enemies here kept jumping on me to die in the aoe and the flying rock can die to than while above when I cannot hit it, but it felt really impossible to win this race

[trim sigil]

Depends on the enemies honestly
One day you'd get a few witches that get their balls reflected to and get oneshot, another it's a ton of greatshields or smth which you barely scratch. Options like CP and DC and BP definitely do not make it easier at all

[misty tiger]

Use Nemesis

That's the strat

[trim sigil]

MElphon also can work

albeit harder to come by

[static plover]

yo @edgy arrow please post streams etc in #self-promotion (it serves as a promotion channel for both yourself and other people)

[neon blaze]

So uh, how are you supposed to handle EM3 with FO? Dude's charging at me for a third of my health bar and there's no way to dodge it, even by dashing through pillars

(EM3, or normal boss, not sure if the EM makes him faster)

[wanton plover]

yes the cow is kinda insane. the trick is to always stand near a pillar or wall in case he decides to face bash you

[umbral lintel]

Ngl I struggle with EM3 more than non-EM Hades lol

Asterius is able to make some really sick turns when he's charging (not sure if this is because of EM or FO) but there are many times when I'm running away from Asterius damn bull charge and run into either the chariot or accidentally get shot

Anybody have strategies for heat32 spear? I've been focusing mostly on the special, taking the Skewers/Exploding Launcher when offered and also trying to force a Sea Storm Special if I can to proc Privileged Status.

[keen kettle]

@flat bear i dont have problem with T&A. Bow’s already my highest clear. Altho i will say, if u take twin shot (which most cases u do), range is a bit too tight with Asterius beyblade

[flat bear]

I never take Twin Shot, I only run Chiron

[neon blaze]

Love Chiron

Made the jump from heat 16 to 32 because I only want the reward, but that's insane how the difficulty ramps up. Barely beating lernie with no revive left

[limpid nymph]

how to get good pls help

[mossy zinc]

https://youtu.be/SlCRfTmBSGs

[hard barn]

chiron is so good, really good for high heat imo because its so safe

you can just stand far away and pew pew with homing arrows

[limpid nymph]

I think chiron kinda rough with tons flying at you with armor at high speed but much better in elysium where you have more space

[hard barn]

it definitely gets rougher with the speed buff

i use frost flourish for that reason

[neon blaze]

much better in elysium where you have more space
Until you find that super tiny room with spear traps on the side and in the middle and it's filled with spearmen that explode in like 6 eye-thingies each, that is

Got that right after refilling my death denied charges, lost all 4 (inc keepsake) on that room

[wanton plover]

how big is the range for zeus call

[keen kettle]

near melee range

[hollow lynx]

you basically have to be in melee

[wanton plover]

sadge

[sleek juniper]

Fo2 is definitely where my issues were with 32 heat. Especially since I was running fo1 before the jump

[keen kettle]

i dont run fo2 with 32

[edgy arrow]

yo @edgy arrow please post streams etc in #self-promotion (it serves as a promotion channel for both yourself and other people)
@static plover apologies i will do that in future

[static plover]

Ty ^_^

[shy axle]

any good heat loadouts for 32? I'm pretty used to EM3, FO2, TD2, and BP2. What else to add?

or change if stuff combos poorly

[mystic apex]

I've seen mentions of a pact tier list but I could never actually find it

[mossy zinc]

That was just a draft, anyway.

[patent umbra]

https://i.imgur.com/9y8mJOl.png

This was it, but take it with a grain of salt. Do what works for you