h1-high-heat-strategies

[cursive portal]

hi im only seeing this after a few days i think pom blossom is too passive compared to your other options

tooth is mostly reserved to 55+ or RI4 runs imo, because you can use aspho to force a secondary damage source like some kind of dash

if you got a special focused hammer like rocket or cluster or hazard it would be beneficial to go with athena/aphro in aspho

[south violet]

#h1-victory-boasting message @quiet acorn fiery hestia is an anyheat thing

[quiet acorn]

It's a heat thing too

Huge time save

[south violet]

in high heat, having tried both for 59 and 60, the 50% additive on every attack ends up saving more time than the 75% on first hit on hestia

maybe boiling blood diff, idk, but either way shadow is measurably more relevant than fiery at high heat

[quiet acorn]

From experience fiery works much better

Regular enemies take so much longer without it which makes up for now benefit on bosses

Maybe I'll try again this week

[south violet]

I'll admit the positional condition of shadow can feel awkward at times, but like, the backhalf sucks a bit without it. heroes and EM4 both have so much health 🙁

[quiet acorn]

possibly an unmodded thing

[south violet]

zyru's 60 heat modded used shadow too

I'm sorry, you're probably just wrong about fiery on high heat hestia

[quiet acorn]

maybe im ahead of my time

[cursive portal]

sigma

[latent drum]

bruh this is crazy

https://imgur.com/a/58X3L6g im at hades fight with 300 health, extra athena DD + patroclus + well SD buff, divine dash, epic demeter attack + pressure points, ricochet fire, piercing fire, 5 minutes left - literally the best build on 59 heat

but i've only done em4 once

it's cooked

damn i died on third phase the double spin attacks are so hard with one dash

[south violet]

1: 59? you're crazy
2: wtf that's a once-in-a-week kind of build you just got
3: please record and upload your runs if you're to continue attempts at this, 59 would be WR tie

work your way up first jfc

I can pass you a cracked monodash hestia EM4 savestate if you want to practice one such scenario, but I'd discourage you from trying to aim that high this fast. go up 1, 2 or at most 3 heat at a time.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1142115080809488464/1460044025422680260/Profile1_Temp.sav?ex=69657b75&is=696429f5&hm=140531e27fbfed74234faeb6b77d4fcc8f4d986cf180654f994f18b868e59ed9& hopefully this works

[latent drum]

Lol I just wanted to try it to see what wr is like

Honestly everything felt chill cuz of the build until hades cuz I suck

[latent drum]

oh wait you're literally alexca 💀 💀 i didn't even notice lmfao

also forgot i had op hammers on that build, might think about that failure every time i play hestia again 💀

[quiet acorn]

Don't worry you will get many such fails if you can't consistently beat em4

I speak from experience 😎

[wild raft]

if i do like a high heat like 10 without doing lower can i get those rewards at once

or does it only unlock one bounty, probably the latter

[quiet acorn]

Only one

[upper juniper]

The game treats anything higher than your lowest heat (unless it’s 0 heat) as your lowest heat

[limpid trench]

K so 16 (I think I don’t remember) heat with the aspect of chaos shield. Idk which keepsake to choose but Ik I’m gonna stick with Mort for my companion

What’s the strat

[shy plinth]

Why specifically chaos? What's your current mirror/pact setup? Anything you feel strongly about?

[upper juniper]

Conventionally the strat with chaos is just playing it like worse zag shield

[limpid trench]

I play around with my stats a lot so I’m open to anything. Rn it’s all reflected. Like the green versions

Also chaos bc they’re my fav and I love the chaos shield

[shy plinth]

Ah, well, some good recommendations for mirror and pact stuff is in the pins. At 16 you can pick whatever with heat options

[sly cove]

is the hardest 32 heat harder than the easiest 50 heat

[shy plinth]

Hrm

What is the hardest 32

[sly cove]

probably ri4 em4 ap2

cp2

probably lc4 too

thats 29?

screw you too dyno

stupid ass bot

[sly cove]

hl2 hs1?

or maybe js3

[forest token]

i mean depends on the player tbh

i'd be inclinded to say easiest 50 tho but dubious

[shy plinth]

I think it's probably HL2 LC4 EM4 CP2 HS1 RI4 AP2

I think you could argue that 42 with these options is on par: HL5 LC4 CF2 JS3 EM3 BP2 MM UC FO2 HS TD3

From here, scaling opportunities - EM4, CP1-2, RI, DC, AP

DC probably the most free with those options, if you're a retrash EM4 AP2 champion then maybe

[crisp solar]

Having cleared 32 heat with Beowulf, I thought of a strategy that would bring me up to 33+ heat with Routine Inspection and Approval Process by using the Shattered Shackle, only tested it on low heat so far

Basically having the Shattered Shackle would allow me to still have good damage output even with those pact conditions that I never use

Gonna ramp up the heat on this strat once I get the Shattered Shackle leveled up

[left prism]

Please do not do that

Or do it with hestia at least

There's no need for RI/AP until like, 45+ (and very weapon dependant)

[crisp solar]

Pact options I will absolutely never do (with the shield) are HS, DC, and TD3 so that's where I got the idea to use RI and AP to ramp up the heat

Don't wanna learn Stubborn Defiance + LC4 strats yet nor do I wanna deal with HL5 or JS (and also I've never even used Hestia before also I suck with the Rail, only done heat>5 with Shield so far lol)

[left prism]

I figured it was gonna be something like that lmao

Def learn a more AP/RI resistant weapon if you wanna go that way

Beo is not all that if you deny the good boons/mirror

[shy plinth]

Why no td3?

Your last shield clear was 17:08

[crisp solar]

That's my only sub-20 ever and it was only on 16 heat so I'm not confident in getting that time consistently on higher heat

[shy plinth]

The 3 heat from TD3 is really appealing, especially if you're already on FO2. With practice I'm certain you can get there quite consistently

Wouldn't write it off at least, especially considering your alternate plan is going for some really restrictive options

For 32s, it's very common for folks to come in here and say that they "can't do TD3" and their pact has like JS3 DC2 AP1 CF2 or something

People take things that slow them down and then feel like they can't make their runs faster

By 40 heat you'll almost certainly want TD3, though at 32 you can def get by with TD2 and will probably look to explore more HL to make up for it

[upper juniper]

You can def sub20 way easier than you can do this pact you’ve described

[upper juniper]

There’s a lot you can do to get faster from time-saving decision making, better builds and better combat skills

[forest token]

hs and dc are fine to avoid, but then you're also avoiding the pacts that give you 1 heat like hl and lc which would literally put you at 33 easily lmfao

you can do like hl3 or something to ramp up heat or lc2 or something

or learn td3 i guess lmao it's def not that bad, esp with hestia or beo, some of the fastest aspects in the game

[crisp solar]

I tested it on 28 heat, choked at EM4 Hades Phase 1 cause it was my first time seeing the Butterflies as his miniboss

[upper juniper]

You’re running em4?

[crisp solar]

Yup

[upper juniper]

what is this pact 😭

[crisp solar]

I found EM4 easy with Shield previously but maybe I got lucky with the minibosses

[upper juniper]

em4 also just gets way worse with more pacts

[upper juniper]

em4 is pretty gambly depending on the minibosses yeah

[crisp solar]

I think in my 2 succeses I got Snakestone and Skullcrusher

[upper juniper]

I don’t have too much more insight because I’ve no reason to run it on
my 32 or 40 heat pacts

Even my 45 attempts it’s just overkill difficulty compared to the remaining option

[crisp solar]

Did 33 heat with my cursed pact but I had to turtle excessively vs Hades plus I had to go through 4 Satyr Tunnels so it took 34 minutes

#h1-victory-boasting message

[forest token]

ap2 moment lmao

and ri1

if you had an actual build it probably would not have been that painful lmfao

[urban steppe]

gilga standing strike is good !!!

[orchid iris]

Has anyone used Angelic's 64 heat seed and beaten it themselves?

[cursive portal]

i have

[orchid iris]

The perfect response

[dawn vine]

Guys I’m attempting a fresh file hell mode run and it’s been brutal, I can make it to hades himself but I’m struggling with timing, anyone got any tips?

[upper juniper]

I’d suggest using save-states to practice the fight but I actually don’t know how to use those let me see if I can find how

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A0uXJiWNBY

Have you read or seen any of the other fresh file guides? I can send them as well or just direct you to where you can find a lot of the guides for everything Hades

I don’t have any ff experience since I mainly speedrun

[dawn vine]

I was wondering if there was a way to do a save state I was just redoing every run but this helps a lot thank u

[dawn vine]

Nah I haven’t, I decided to do this challenge cause why not but I didn’t know it would be this brutal lol

But I would appreciate some guides if u have any

[upper juniper]

FF is often seen as like

as hard as getting to 50 heat with sword iirc

https://www.speedrun.com/hades/guides/1i726

There’s a section specifically for FF if you scroll down far enough

[upper juniper]

What builds have you been using then?

[ashen garnet]

Was about to forward sophie's guide 😌

[dawn vine]

Oh :0

[dawn vine]

Okay thank u

[ashen garnet]

Different kind of difficulty though: "less difficult", less stressful timings/timer-wise than high heat, yet requires more regularity and very clean monodash gameplay

[dawn vine]

Mostly trying to do a merciful end build but the rng is hard to get every time so I also have been doing Artemis and Athena brilliant reposite + critical for a safer run

[dawn vine]

Yeah this challenge u need to play mostly clean and have ur timing, spacing, and reads right like 80-90 percent of the whole run

[verbal atlas]

also depends on pact you're running

[upper juniper]

True

[ashen garnet]

TD0FO0 50heat pact yea

[verbal atlas]

my ri4 em4 fo0 pact will go crazy

[upper juniper]

I wonder what the gap is between the worst 50 heat vs the easiest 50 heat it

[ashen garnet]

p huge also if you factor in aspects

[verbal atlas]

^^^

td3 + fo0 probably just bc it makes the general run longer/having tighter timer to manage

[south violet]

Hi, I'm the living ff guide in this server, AMA if you have any questions that aren't covered by sophie's guide.

[dawn vine]

Do u have any build recommendations?

[south violet]

Would also recommend looking at the 100 fresh file winstreak by Nitrostarch, or the 82 winstreak by myself. Look at the plays we make and try to understand why they are being made.

[upper juniper]

It’s mainly just Merciful End

Alexca is our resident FF expert

^

[dawn vine]

Okay thank u, I’ll let u know if i do

[south violet]

Divine Protection is arguably even stronger for non-speed clears (however less common to come across since it requires leaning into DP by taking more athenas, and often passing up more consistent options)

[dawn vine]

Yeah lol, runs usually are easier with it

[dawn vine]

Hmmm yeah true, I haven’t tried that, I wonder how that would go with it

[upper juniper]

More extreme version of ME consistency to effectiveness trade-off

[south violet]

(if I may:
nitro's winstreak footage expired because of twitch's 100h limit 🙁
my own footage https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5Kd_hxmMFpjKdiHRPUxcAin-UevZeGzZ
)

[obsidian ridge]

what I did is rename the .sav file to .bak file
as long as you don't die (don't trigger a new save) you can give up and retry
Profile1.sav -> Profile1.sav.bak and delete other backup files
turning it into read only makes hades do a pop-up each time
making a script to backup save files and load them with a button press is also easy

[west oracle]

Hi, all. I don't know if this is the right place to post this so apologizes in advance. Selene provided me with an incantation to do something with my animal familiars (change them, maybe?) But I have no idea what was meant by it or what to do with it. I'm an end-game player closing out the fated list.

[shy plinth]

This is an h1 channel, so probably not ideal for h2 stuff

[west oracle]

Oh, dang. My bad.

[shy plinth]

Most likely you'll get where you're looking for by leveling up your familiars and talking to ||Circe|| tho

[south violet]

(delete or ||spoiler|| the message pls)

[lunar plover]

quick question about the pact, do you have to build up the heat gauge (going through each bounty set naturally) or is it possible to just select a lot of things you feel comfortable doing with the weapon and every time you beat hades the next teir gets unlocked, i'm a new player so i just wanted to ask

[left prism]

The latter

If you do let's say 10 heat for your first run, that first run will give the bounties for heat 1

Then once you kill hades the same pact will now give for heat 2 and so on until it catches up

[lunar plover]

that's what i figured thank you i'm gonna do that to take care of theseus so i can finally get started on doing the rest of the epilogue, Poseidon was the only one i have left to unlock

[tired osprey]

im trying to beat 32 heat for the skelly statue and its really hard, what is the easiest way to get it?

[bleak grotto]

Get good at Hestia, I guess. It's dead simple to build and play
https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-build-guide#aspect-of-hestia-rail

[upper juniper]

Actually

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16_JXPaAt8fegie6Ss2x5tVeaR-FzoFlIgp0etd3yLHI/edit?usp=sharing

Yse this

[crisp solar]

Yeah I recommend Hestia and hidden shield

With Hestia you can even use Routine Inspection 1 and Approval Process 2 and turn down some other heat

[upper juniper]

With your choice of
Sword - Nemesis
Spear - Hidden Spear or Achilles
Shield - Zeus or Hidden Shield
Bow - Hidden Bow (or really anything but Chiron)
Fists - Demeter
Rail - Hestia (& Eris)

should set you up pretty well

[tired osprey]

ty everyone : D

[forest token]

Please don't use either of those options for 32 lmfao

Ap1 is like vaguely acceptable

But never ri1 or ap2

[crisp solar]

Probably just got lucky with a good attack and special boon first 2 regions when I did it

Shackle first 2 regions Acorn last 2 after getting my boons

[upper juniper]

RI is atrocious btw

You drop a ton of build consistency immediately

Ap2 is even worse

[crisp solar]

Well yeah that's why I only did it on Shackle Hestia

[upper juniper]

Pact of no damage

Shackle Hestia just doesn’t keep up ngl

[crisp solar]

Good enough for my personal "I got a single 32 heat win without using Shield" title

[honest crypt]

hera bow for first 32 heat

[tranquil hill]

Funny way to spell "Rama"

[sly cove]

unaruably

[sly cove]

rama @ A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs

[south violet]

paragraph

[soft basin]

which fists are the best for high heat

im poor on blood so can i just use the normal fists

[ashen garnet]

Depends how you like to play the weapon: the aspect of choice does not make a big difference until very high heat or until you get enough blood to max lv Demeter/Gilga (gilga plays rather differently from the start though)

Getting max lvl zagfists can/should arguably be kept for very late unlocks when compared to other aspects since it only gives small chances of dodge chances which make high dodge builds a bit easier to get but aren't useful for anything else (very unfortunately)

[shy plinth]

What are we talking for high heat? If you're pushing above 32, you're probably better off finishing your levels first (in both the weapons and the mirror)

[soft basin]

gonna try for 40

[soft basin]

oh wow my apsect of dem was actually vl 4

and i have 3 blood adn 3 drink so i can afford the final upgrade

how does one play aspect of dem anyhow

[south violet]

played like any other non-gilga fist except you have better damage once every 20 attack-hits

[soft basin]

if i already have ME is the special still worth using

[south violet]

my question now is why are we using ME in high heat

but yes, one would generally avoid using specials once ME has been acquired, unless the cutter is charged

[soft basin]

oh zeus fists then?

[south violet]

ZAP yea. artemis and poseidon are useful later too, though not required. dio attack is an alternative to zeus.

much more reliable than ME

[ashen garnet]

Poseidon dash is not mandatory and have been rather divisive for heat tho

[south violet]

truly

not too bad at 40 (or even 50 tbh), but beyond that becomes weird because of the damage-falloff

[ashen garnet]

I believe it's more because of the whiffing and unexpected hits potential (+high HL/LC), particularly with keyboard 8-directions

[south violet]

interesting, haven't noticed anything of the sort

[ashen garnet]

(Short) dashing to the front of a melee/projectile casting foe while expecting to end the dash behind them and the likes

[forest token]

Build consistency is generally pretty important for high heat so you actually have more viable runs lol
Only needing jolted basically after the start is much easier to do than trying to get ME through ap1

Going for speedrun builds technically do work for high heat but good luck getting them lmfao

Not impossible but you're gonna have to hope the one run you do get it you win

[soft basin]

bruh ive yet to be able to beat furies with rail on 40 lol

im using a lv 4 eris

with aspect of dem do you do dash special or normal special

i assume in the normal fist rotaiton you just special after you dash instead of doing attacks

[south violet]

????

[soft basin]

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[south violet]

OH WAIT I meant to type out a real response at some point and forgot

4 or 5 attacks, then either dashstrike once or twice depending on enemy positioning. You can also release the attack-button for the duration of the dash if you need the iframes.

The use of special on demeter is if

• you know a special will kill but an attack will not
  OR
• the charged cutter is ready

Any time you're using the cutter, use a dash-upper.

There are OCCASIONAL situations where specialling normally can be fine, but as a general rule of thumb it's best to forget that they exist unless you know what you're doing.

[sly cove]

dash upper cuz it does more damage for less hit

[soft basin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1394734947180482570/1485363181126942873/image.png?ex=69c197c3&is=69c04643&hm=8bf599f4c672cd4fdb08f0ed7fa3a84e78db6fa8d3e18d61d5f0662c008ffcb6&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=825&height=458

is this an ok pact

[south violet]

you are going to suffer on unmodded AP2 rama (most of your damage on this aspect comes from hammers) but would be good for modded

[tranquil hill]

ap2 cf0 is wild

[south violet]

also yeah wait this is cf0 lmao, I missed that

[verbal atlas]

cf2 or smthn plus r1 or 2

[tranquil hill]

My 32 heat pact was horrendous and even I'm seeing some issues here

[verbal atlas]

also like em4 is fine for rama

you end up phasing in like a few hits anyways so like

[tranquil hill]

Rama has good crowd damage, so another level or two of js could work too

Even cp1

[verbal atlas]

ya

bottom line is no need to ap2 atp

[soft basin]

999358269422321774

i dont like convinience fee

[south violet]

if you wanna AP2 50 heat I can see that if you don't mind resets, but doing that on 45 is kinda nuts

[south violet]

knowledge issue

usual point to enable cf tends to be 40 or 45 depending on pref and aspect. 32 guide says not to use it because there are still better options to enable that low down

[soft basin]

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[verbal atlas]

cf0 ap2 is like worse than cf2 ap0 bc of value of screens vs amount of screens

[tranquil hill]

That was like one of the first things I went for after deadline and em lol

[south violet]

that's the other extreme, I don't know if I agree with that

[verbal atlas]

rama also really likes its hammers so you're kinda shooting yourself in the foot with that and has some very detrimental ap2 hits, like repulse

[soft basin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1394734947180482570/1485364886916825179/image.png?ex=69c19959&is=69c047d9&hm=5902e5a78b2123cc4334a0dafd7721775a02e37798131778252d48f76ddfcaa7&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1104&height=699

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or i just put on em4

im not confident enough to do that lol

[south violet]

the question is do you understand EM4

[soft basin]

ill make a practise file sometime to learn em4

[tranquil hill]

EM4 is doable if you almost never die and have regular defiance
But most people go for stubborn

[soft basin]

if im gonna do 51 on everything then ill have to learn it eventually

[south violet]

regular DDs above 32 is insanity (can still work at 40 but you're making regular rooms way harder than they need to be, and relying on patty for his refill). even at 32 I'd advise switching to SD

(silver-lining of guan yu, which due to its spin capabilities can run DDs as an alternative to SD)

[soft basin]

playing with sd has made me worse at playing with normal dd lol

ive gotten into the habbit of just eating damage in normal chambers

[verbal atlas]

nah just play well

[tranquil hill]

I feel like Rama is one of the best aspects to learn EM4 on though
You can pull range a bit and deal massive damage per hit

[south violet]

very hard aspect to play well, you're vulnerable for so long. I'd say there are like 5 people in the whole world who are (or once were) REALLY good at this aspect

[soft basin]

i remember on my second rama 40 heat clear i had a very easy time with hades

[tranquil hill]

Man, what is it with me and running underpowered/counterintuitive options in video games

[south violet]

you don't know better, and that's fine.

live and learn

[quiet acorn]

Not at all

I think I will learn rama aswell

Once I get used to using ontrollr

[tranquil hill]

The thing is, I've done the first option plenty but not the second
I main Ganondorf in Smash, charge rifle in Krunker, refuse to use quickslash in Hollow Knight, and now have horrible takes on pact conditions

[south violet]

ok I take it back, that's deliberate masochism

[soft basin]

my tart is so slow bruh

is damage control not the move

[south violet]

rama hard unfortunately

[tranquil hill]

It's not even deliberate
It just happens to click better with my playstyle for some reason

[south violet]

rama special near-trivializes DC

[soft basin]

if igured but i got a bunch of skulls and everything having dc is kinda annoying

[tranquil hill]

Skulls are unironically the worst room for Rama in Tartarus

Everything else gets instamelted

[south violet]

annoying, sure, but in practice you'd be wanting to tag those enemies anyway as part of your usual damage output

[soft basin]

gonna turn down 2 levels of jury and put on routine inspection

[south violet]

js bad 🔥

I hate js

[tranquil hill]

js1 cp1 maybe?

[soft basin]

i dont like getting less boons though lol

[south violet]

?????????

what am I reading

[soft basin]

so i dont like convinience fee or routine inspection

[tranquil hill]

calisthenics program is surprisingly free on Rama since the base damage is so high

[south violet]

false

higher enemy hp = less good breakpoints = more enemies can survive a shot = you probably die

rama is good because everything dies on sight, calisthenics program makes this less true

[soft basin]

• id rather take 2 levels in either js or cp than combo them

[forest token]

cf2 is so much less impactful than any combo of js or cp

[ashen garnet]

General case:
cf2 is great if you are both great at planning your biomes economy and your aspect of choice/build/mirror combo does not need many boons nor survivability (or don't have a better punishment to take/need a +1 heat),
cf1 is a sweet spot if you want to buy at least 1 boons/hearts, sometimes 2 at endshops+midshops with a normal heat economy (no troves, no extra Chaos/Poseidon obols nor extra Erebus money),
cf0 should be kept for aspects which get part or all of their late dps scaling from wells of Charon (mostly cast-spects) when cf1 isn't sufficient

Do you plan on using a specific build/mirror for Rama45 ? Can be useful to adjust peeps recommendations

[cursive portal]

Hello

with the mods you can change your file to hell mode, without starting a new file

it will be better for 45 or 50 and more because of the special +1 pact

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/843166936686002176/1485402241459552306/image.png?ex=69c1bc23&is=69c06aa3&hm=daec9da28b13f6bfb800810271e3a7673cd6f066c8c9cc9ca984085bfd31cda3&

you can try this

maybe switch JS and CF if its better for you one way or the other

[soft basin]

I will keep that in mind, economy isn't something that ive thoguht about

[soft basin]

I want to run aphro attack so I can get away.with having Athena dash and DDs

I also want to run p status, I figure it wouldn't be too hard to get another curse since I already have weak but maybe it's better to just take the 25%

[soft basin]

I will consider doing this but for the moment I want to try unmodded for a while

[quiet acorn]

I would not run dds

[jaunty falcon]

you don’t have to play with the mods, you can use them just to switch

then turn them off again

[cursive portal]

^^

I can make a video guide for you if you want

[soft basin]

i ment athena refills for sd acting as dds

[soft basin]

im sure i can figure it out but i would appreciate that

[quiet acorn]

Oo

[sterile schooner]

What's the trick to winning a 32 heat run

Been trying but it's tough got close tho

[bleak grotto]

Have you already seen this?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/16_JXPaAt8fegie6Ss2x5tVeaR-FzoFlIgp0etd3yLHI/edit?usp=sharing

[sterile schooner]

No but thanks

[forest token]

highly recommend the guide

[sterile schooner]

This is tough

[quiet acorn]

this is tuff

[strong halo]

32 heat was really tough for me, I was running merciful end fist and I was having a hard time

[sly cove]

i would recommend not running a build that wins or loses on a single boon

[quiet acorn]

Doom fists can hold its own

[sly cove]

doomfists is ahh bro ur coping so hard even its like "fine"

[quiet acorn]

Me just makes it busyed

I suck at fists alot and still beat 50 without me

[sly cove]

well i suck at fists a lot and couldnt beat 50 because i never tried it

checkmate liberals

[quiet acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/monty-dark-humor-gator-reptile-happy-birthday-gif-11602184703895499328

[sly cove]

also i couldnt win with fists until i ran zapfists

ignore that most of it is skill issue

[soft basin]

The trick imo is learning max forced over time and the anti healing one

[spring hazel]

👋 Just beat Hades himself for the first time! It took 28 attempts and I had to enable God Mode, but I did it!
Now my only question is... do I really have to clear it multiple times to see the end of the story, and if so, how many times? 🥺

[south violet]

Credits after 10, epilogue doesn't have a win requirement outside of having seen the credits (and several other conditions related to dialogue and giving people gifts).

[spring hazel]

ten clears, or ten heat? 😯

[south violet]

clears indeed

[spring hazel]

Okay, that's a bit better. Still, I'm not sure I'll have the resolve to see myself through ten complete runs of the dungeon. I love the game, but I enabled God Mode because I was struggling to see myself through the end of the game.

[south violet]

the game gets easier as you unlock more things.

often (if victory-boasting posts here are anything to go off of), people's first clear is soon followed by their second clear, and third clear, and so on

[quiet acorn]

2nd clear is usually streak off first clear

[spring hazel]

📝 What should I be unlocking? I've gotten all the mirror upgrades (except whatever's locked behind needing 30 keys).

[soft basin]

I would get aspects that don't need a lot of investment to be effective

Namely aspect of Zeus

[spring hazel]

Okay. I'll have to figure out which weapon that's on.

Second clear! That's probably my last one for the evening.

[soft basin]

👀

[spring hazel]

Is there anybody specifically I need to give Gifts to? I've just been giving Gifts to whatever god whose Keepsake I have equipped.

[south violet]

#h1-story-discussion is probably a better place for epilogue unlock questions. this is the high heat / challengerun channel.

but in short, the olympians need to be gifted to (I think 6 among the 9 available need to be maxxed with nectar, and then have their quest ("favor") completed to unlock the rest of the hearts. then gift those gods an ambrosia. exception to this is demeter, who is more lenient on her condition.)

[sterile schooner]

This is tuff

[sterile schooner]

32 heat is too tuff

[sterile schooner]

I was just rolling with an aphro attack Arthur build I managed to get to hades but he does too much damage now plus he had 3 phases which was overkill I only got one phase down before he pretty much one shot me

I think it was a aphro Artemis duo

[soft basin]

on 32 heat you really have free reign over how to modify the difficulty

you can either chose to have stronger enemies, faster enemies, or you can skimp out a bit on the heat options that modify enemies and use the ones that make you weaker

i dont remember the names but there is the anti mirror one and anti boon choise

but realistically it is easier to play with 2 levels of hardlabor compared to one level of anti mirror

[upper juniper]

routine inspection is too big of a build consistency nerf

just absolutely tank your building ability for 2 heat

[spring hazel]

What are some good low Heat options to play with? I did a run with the one that adds a new move to the Furies.

[crisp solar]

Absolute easiest ones to deal with are Underworld Customs and Tight Deadline 1

Lasting Consequences 1 and Convenience Fee 1 too

[upper juniper]

Tight deadline and extreme measures are pretty free heat

Extreme Measures up to 2 anyways, 3 is a tad tougher

tight deadline just base it off how fast the in-game time for your avg run is (since all left over time transfers over, you effectively have 36/28/20 in-game time minutes based on the level of tight deadline, and you don’t even die when it hits 0, you just start taking 5 damage per second

[strong halo]

I would argue that tight deadline 3 is not free for everyone, but td2 is pretty much free since most people I see do runs can mostly beat a run under 28 mins

otherwise I agree

the pacts of punisment I mostly call free are td2, em2 up to 3 if you're experienced with their attacks, forced overtime 2, lc1, cf1 and Uc since you always get too many boons anyway

[soft basin]

when i was doign 32 i had a pretty hard time with deadline 3 but you get used to it pretty quick

[strong halo]

the pacts I would avoid like the plague unless you're planning on beating 32 heat:
-heightened security: might not look that bad but the urns in the hades boss fight count for that, and with it on they deal 120 damage per pool and avoiding them is not always an option
-Routine inspection: this is just too punishing, you basically shoot yourself in the foot before your run even start, never, EVER run any levels of this for a 32 heat run
-Lasting consequences 4: unless you are running this alongside the mirror perk that gives you 1 death defiance per room, avoid like the plague, any damage become permanent since you can't heal except with death defiances
-Calisthenics program 2: this makes bosses way too spongy, which leads you to taking more hits, not a good idea for 32 heat

• Extreme measures 4: just not a good idea for 32 heat and there's easier options to pick
  -Approval process: this one can really screw you over by blocking a boon you really need, would not recommend for 32 heat

[upper juniper]

They deal 150 per pool

[strong halo]

it's not impossible, but not everyone can consistently beat 32 heat below 20 min

[soft basin]

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[strong halo]

even worse lol

[upper juniper]

They aren’t trying 32

[strong halo]

ah

[upper juniper]

they’re asking for really early pacts rn

[strong halo]

nvm then

[upper juniper]

they haven’t hit credits

[soft basin]

well the point is deadline 3 lets you not take heat that would boost enemy stats that would cause time loss

999358269422321774

[strong halo]

I agree, but to this day, I can't beat a run of spear with the heat above 20 under 20 minutes consistently unless I'm running a poseidon dash build, even with the 3 heats I can take from other pacts

[soft basin]

eventually once you are comfortable clearing the game you should try a level of two of forced overtime by itself or with other less difficult pact options

[upper juniper]

base your tight deadline level off your current avg run time for nearby heats and then you can adjust it down as you get better and faster

[strong halo]

this

[soft basin]

999358269422321774 have you tried lightning phalanx

[strong halo]

what's that?

[soft basin]

an ok duo

Your Cast bounces between nearby enemies.
Max Bounces: 3

Athena: Phalanx Shot
Zeus: Lightning Strike, Thunder Flourish, Thunder Dash, or Zeus' Aid
Incompatible with Aspect of Beowulf

[verbal atlas]

its good

[strong halo]

oh, I never use cast, so that's probably why I never learned what that is

[verbal atlas]

cast good

[upper juniper]

If this is achilles, usually they start with tdash and then form a cast build after with either hunting blades or lightning phalanx

[strong halo]

look, my cast never does enough damage, it's not my fault dammit

[verbal atlas]

works well with a lot attack rotations just bc of animation timing

rail uses cast and special during reload just bc you're not doing anything else anyways

also bc animation cancels too i forgor

[upper juniper]

cast isn’t really a damage focus for non-castpects tbf

[strong halo]

I know, I started blasting special whenever I was reloading when I tried out eris gun

since special does so much damage with eris

[soft basin]

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[verbal atlas]

it's still going to be a damage buff while it's lodged tho 😭 +50% damage on attack/special for pressing a button kinda huge and ye you do kinda ignore it depending on build/aspect true

[soft basin]

nodcathyper

boiling blood is pretty huge early meta progression

[upper juniper]

Boiling blood doesn’t really necessitate building around the cast thoufh

You just throw it out

[verbal atlas]

what im getting at is that you should still be casting even if your build doesnt necessarily necessitate it

[strong halo]

isn't it like 10% more damage per casts stuck in an enemy?

[upper juniper]

No

+50% to strike and special if the enemy has any amount of casts in them

[soft basin]

where are you pulling this from lol

[strong halo]

I misread the mirror

[upper juniper]

It happens

[soft basin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1329437187091075162/1486047749437657199/image.png?ex=69c41550&is=69c2c3d0&hm=d2cb85a4886b6be3d0b3824155012813a9ea91fed55a580f3ef2a6b4eaaa617e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=584&height=525

speak of the devil

they are running a rift build with zag shield?

[south violet]

this is probably not the right server to discuss someone's stream

[soft basin]

https://tenor.com/view/be-happy-gif-4360623183969069545

[strong halo]

MFW I'm now realizing I was not using a 50% damage boost my entire playthrough

🫠

[soft basin]

50 additive

[south violet]

now, to be fair, it's only attack and special local additive (not global additive), but nevertheless pretty strong 👍

[strong halo]

I mean, those are like the biggest source of damage for almost all the builds I normally run

[strong halo]

what's the difference between local and global additive?

[verbal atlas]

certain moves vs almost everything

[south violet]

local only has a select sphere of influence. like, affecting only certain select sources of damage.
global affects all damage the player deals.
universal affects all damage, regardless of source.

[strong halo]

ah gotcha

[south violet]

view it as a venn-diagram with three progressively larger circles, each containing the other

[verbal atlas]

meg damage up 😌

[south violet]

every universal buff is also global, and every global buff is also local.

[soft basin]

you can increase summon damage?

[verbal atlas]

yep

[soft basin]

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[south violet]

with universal buffs, yes (hunter's mark, targeting system, gilgamesh's Maim, and sweet surrender all come to mind)!

[soft basin]

what about pstatus and family fav

[verbal atlas]

those are global

[soft basin]

oh gatcha

[south violet]

I think pstat only affects attack and special in h1?

one sec

[verbal atlas]

no

it's quite literally just the second game's effect but worse

even shares the same sound

[south violet]

Checked, you're absolutely right!

[forest token]

i love how pstatus in h1 is incredibly mid but in h2 it's actually much more worth it to take

[soft basin]

999358269422321774 i like to gamble on +15% additive damage

[upper juniper]

And then you have extra damage sitting outside the circles

[left prism]

Me thinking boiling blood was global for like a year

[south violet]

extra damage isn't real thankfully 😌

[upper juniper]

Doom damage is too strong for it to matter for Merciful End and hoarding slash is too mid for it to matter

sooo

True!

[south violet]

(silver-lining of ff where knowing that common level 2 attack + ME (or common level 1 attack + ID + ME) 1shots ely eyes can be good to know)

[left prism]

How many niche FF breakpoints you know

[upper juniper]

Silver-lining of the only doom additive you really have in FF being impending doom and maybe strong drink?

[south violet]

niche? that's like the single-most important one imo for clear-purposes

if you know that an eye will die from an empty-dash you don't have to commit to a full combo, which gets you hit less often than a full combo

[verbal atlas]

the one artemis boon that gives extra crit damage? or is that also considered multiplicative bc its adding on top of a multiplicative effect

[south violet]

that's mult yea

crits are mult

well... crit-additive more precisely

[verbal atlas]

ye

[upper juniper]

Clean Kill stocks if crit additive was multiplicative instead 📈

[soft basin]

is the +40dmg from ME multiplicative with impending?

[upper juniper]

no it’s “extra damage”

So it gets added

after all the damage calcs

The only other instance of “extra damage” is hoarding slash

So they don’t get additive and don’t get crits

[sterile schooner]

This is tuff

[soft basin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1394734947180482570/1486101522365419620/Hades_46.png?ex=69c44765&is=69c2f5e5&hm=c0edd90e72eeb81c552045b8726523ff5561bfd2b38b92eb4a715da6c5d14222&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=825&height=464

where do i get 4 more heat from

1 inspection 1 js 1 cp perhaps

[sterile schooner]

Max everything out

[left prism]

Em4

[south violet]

there are like 2 approaches here imo

• hestia and hestia only can reasonably AP2 at 45 heat. that is to say, some nonsense like AP2 JS1
• RI2

hestia's actually one of the rare aspects where the "full consistency" 50 heat pact (RI0 AP0) doesn't work because you lack the heat to do that (can't DC1 or DC2, that bricks hestia)

[verbal atlas]

the oddly shaped delta chamber zeus attack in the room:

[south violet]

make it go back into the corner, I don't wanna see it

[spring hazel]

I think my first run was 36 minutes. My second was a little over 32.

[upper juniper]

So just one level for now

You’re at a stage in the game where time gains usually happen pretty quickly

just due to how much wasted time you have that you can shave

[spring hazel]

Is there any rhyme or reason to why the Bone Hydra changes color?

[verbal atlas]

each of the heads have their own attack patterns

green spew eggs that spawn adds, purple shoot the wave maker projectile, blue slam (and are slightly bugged), orange spew fire onto the ground

i have some questions about gy, i already know how to consistently do the animation cancels and am just trying to figure out how to play rooms efficiently for a 50 i am playing modded https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1418410776053682336/1486206532805726258/image.png?ex=69c4a931&is=69c357b1&hm=5fdf48ac8a748a5f8bce281f74e975b8ea552e19f9e4b0e903c55602c39ad7a5&

[upper juniper]

there is woefully little left atp holy

[sly cove]

dude i just searched trans lernie why is the last result me from 3 years ago do mfs not call them that anymore

[forest token]

i dont think many people refer to different lernie types at all lmfao

[forest token]

bestie you only have ap and ri left lmfao

a case could be made for ap1

bc like it is 50 heat so ap1 is generally expected

ri1 prob too, ri2 maybe but guan yu would like the extra hp from thick skin

going down to cp1 would be pretty huge for guan yu imo

[south violet]

I do, just not here

[strong halo]

people have different names for the bone hydras?

[sly cove]

yeah theres green orange purple and trans

they do different things

[strong halo]

I know that, I just didn't know people actually gave each of them names

[spring hazel]

Where can I see the base damage for my normal and special?

[quiet acorn]

You can test on skelly

[left prism]

https://cpecific.github.io/hades-wiki/

[spring hazel]

Seems that for the shield, I want a damage percentage for the normal attack and a status effect adder like Doom for the shield.

[verbal atlas]

i dont really want to touch ap at all for 50 bc of trauma from playing 55+ will note the ri stuff tho

[spring hazel]

Which of the diamond-tier underworld renovations should I get? I'm talking about the ones that open erebus gates and give me bonuses when killing bosses and such

[upper juniper]

Boss killing first

It’ll give you gems while you getting diamonds for the rest of them

[left prism]

Unless you are doing zeus shield you can ignore the special fwiw

[soft basin]

Beo special my goat

[spring hazel]

Bought! What should I pick up next?

BTW, just cleared my first run with a spear. The final boss was hard, but I still got my best clear time: sub 26 minutes

[soft basin]

Nice

[soft basin]

I don't know what the diamond tier ones are but the upgrade that gives you a dice when you pick up keys is the best one

[spring hazel]

That's what I mean. It's any upgrade bought with a diamond

[soft basin]

The key one

[spring hazel]

Cool. I need just one more diamond.

[left prism]

Fated keys > nectar or gems upgrade>darkness

Erebus gates are fun but not super useful

[soft basin]

20 gold from gems seems very insignificant though

[left prism]

Is basically consolation price for the occasional blue door you get

[soft basin]

But if a heart is 125 gold 5 gems gets you to 120 while 5 darkness only 15max hp

[left prism]

Nectar is just rare overall, but also makes premium vintage an extra pom which is neat

Just take darkness last lol

[left prism]

(for reference, you need 5/10/15 heat to enter them, beat room hitless for a styx style upgrade)

[soft basin]

Is it still worth taking gems over darkness when prices are +80%

[left prism]

So double poms/hp/better rarity

[soft basin]

I usually pick darkness over gems but maybe that is suboptimal

[left prism]

I'd wait for someone else cuz I avoid cf2 like the plague lol

I'd still do it at least cuz you never know when that +20 matters

Is like missing a gold pot in a room and then you barely miss out on the shop

[soft basin]

Fair

[left prism]

Tartarus erebus is generally fine to take but aspho/elysium tend to add really tough mobs

So even if you get the reward it can waste time

[spring hazel]

What is a "blue door "?

[left prism]

Each door has laurels to its sides
Gold = run only stuff like boons
Blue = perma upgrades like gems

They also can't mix each other so you can't get offered a boon against darkness for example

[soft basin]

I gamble on those so often

[left prism]

Dark foresight in the mirror boosts the odds towards gold laurels heavily

[soft basin]

I get the win maybe half the time lol

[left prism]

For reference one time I entered an elysium gate and it spawned a butterfly ball that only spawns when fighting em4 dad lol

[left prism]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/520688402958516254/660997121406926849/hades_room_rewards_guide.png?ex=69c5214a&is=69c3cfca&hm=785a6005f05cc57c26e1055bb73493a4ba40381d186cd782f79a83f8f3703879&

[quiet acorn]

I always pick darkness over gems 😌😌

Need that max hp

Well

Want that max hp

[soft basin]

Who knows, maybe I will survive on 3 hp and win

[ashen garnet]

Situationally worth -particularly in Tartarus- to ensure you have just enough obols for your next shop/well purchase. Takes some experience to get a hang of this economy and to anticipate multiple rooms prior because potential foes obol gain per chamber and midshop apparition window need to be factored in

[soft basin]

makes sense

maybe i will start paying attention to how much gold i usually gain throughout a run to get a feel for this

[tranquil hill]

You should have chthonic vitality over the one that gives healing for darkness anyways

+some gold instead of +nothing

[soft basin]

• 3 max hp

[south violet]

5

where are you getting +3 maxhp from

[upper juniper]

Cthonic is +3hp, the problem is it isn’t max hp

[south violet]

oh, duh

I was confusing the contractor 5 max hp per, and cthonic

[soft basin]

oh i thought the contractor one was 3 maxhp

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[soft basin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1329437187091075162/1486479869960388698/image.png?ex=69c5a7c2&is=69c45642&hm=56a7f33b1797ebf876914fcc36127905d699eb8fe55387774c9be4d353d007d1&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=825&height=524

giving this a go

picked chaos on ap2

big brain play by me

omg got a very good chaos

+50% attac dmg for 10 second bloodstone

omg hazard bomb

the aoe is huge

picked it up for the first time this file lol

meg got blasted

bruuuh what you cannot sell neurished soul

[left prism]

Classic

[soft basin]

bruh i missed a meg on bull

was on a pretty decent run

this isnt gonna be that hard

[strong halo]

the amount of times I missed meg's summon on asterius is way too high

[ashen garnet]

My High-heat day being so nice and boom, AP2 LC4 Nourished Soul ruining that one run -add 2 boons-tartarus rng for the full recipe-

[spring hazel]

Finally got my first Legendary Boon. THE ONE THAT HELPS ME WITH FISHING! 🤣

[sterile schooner]

😂 😂

[spring hazel]

😭 I finally broke my win streak. I couldn't defeat Hades himself while using the basic (unupgraded) bow.

Any tips on how I should be running a bow?

[verbal atlas]

dash strike

the standing strike takes too long and the decreased damage of a dash strike is far less than what you gain from the quicker shots

[tranquil hill]

Best boon in the game right there

[tranquil hill]

The leading cause of dissatisfaction with bow is standing-striking-itus. It's the bane of new players picking up bow for the first time.

Symptoms of standing-striking-itus may include:

• Feelings that bow isn't a fast enough weapon
• Emotional (and physical damage) due to your attacks getting interrupted by enemies
• Feelings that bow has "low damage output"

Is what's happening to me normal?

It's very common for first time bow users and even long term Hades fans to experience standing-striking-itus. Roughly 1 in 3 Hades players will experience it within their lifetimes. It can be a long-running, persistent illness if left untreated.

How do I treat standing-striking-itus?

Start dash-striking when you use bow. Dash striking on bow acts just like a regular strike, but it charges 50% faster, and deals 66% of the base damage.
This allows bow to play far more aggressively, thanks to increased mobility and decreased gaps in damage. Dash strikes also benefit from dash-strike damage boosts, sourced from Artemis's Hunter Dash, and Chaos's Lunge boons, allowing for even higher damage scaling. When you wrap everything up, you end up with a safer, faster, and higher damaging package than what you had before, and this is usually sufficient treatment for 95% of standing-striking-itus sufferers.

-Dr Shackle

[verbal atlas]

writing this fire????

[tranquil hill]

Credit goes to @upper juniper ofc

[spring hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-us-rebecca-pearson-thank-you-for-being-my-doctor-doctor-thanks-for-being-my-doctor-gif-27572058

[upper juniper]

Idk man as someone with one 40 bow heat clear under my belt I literally only ever use charged volley-

[spring hazel]

That did it! I've beaten Hades with every Infernal Arm.

Now I'm going in to play with the Magnet Cutter because taht sounds like a lot of fun.

Which Arms should I focus on upgrading with Titans' Blood?

[forest token]

whatever weapon you like really

each weapon has at least 1 good aspect

[spring hazel]

Oh, are some Aspects better than others? I thought it was all circumstantial. What are the highlights?

[soft basin]

Beo and Zeus shield

Rama and hera

Hestia and eris

Guanyu and Achilles

The best aspect for fists is dem and the best for sword is nem

[spring hazel]

I don't understand what the Aspect of Eris means by "absorbing your Special's blast".

[bleak grotto]

Be inside its blast radius

[quiet acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-notebook-gif-20708336

[soft basin]

make sure to use hazzard bomb with eris

[spring hazel]

I've finally unlocked everything in the mirror! I had enough to afford two ranks in Fated Persuasion and one rank in Gods' Pride.

[strong halo]

yeah, fated persuasion cost a LOT

not sure if this goes here, or if these type of question stay in h1-discussion

[soft basin]

With Rama especially yes

You are never going to be able to charge up a full standing attack bruh

Dash attacks are more DPS anyway

[strong halo]

thanks for the advice

[strong halo]

I've been playing around with the rama bow and I love it, it's definetly the bow aspect where I'm having the most fun playing with

although, I was wondering, does bonus applied to your attack affect your dash-strikes?

like, if I have artemis attack + dash-strike, does the crit chance carry over from one to the other?

[quiet acorn]

Yes

[strong halo]

yup, I noticed in my latest run, over 3500 damage in one shot is absolutely insane damage

[soft basin]

rama crits are indeed satisfying, taking a boss directly to the next phase transision is always fun

[left prism]

Funny enough authority is 1k more expensive

[left prism]

Hazard bomb +delta chamber :croven:

[upper juniper]

Yes

if not for powershotting, it’d be identical base damage output per second

powershotting puts dash-strikes over the edge

[soft basin]

time to do antoher hestia 45 attempt

[soft basin]

got to 1.3

missed emg again

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i get offerd last stand when if orget to reset

[tranquil hill]

I'm afraid you did this to yourself by choosing AP2

[strong halo]

AP2 players when it comes to bite them in the ass

but seriously, sorry bro, that's really unlucky

[verbal atlas]

also u got rerolls still like

[tranquil hill]

But hey, now witches are gonna be a piece of cake

[soft basin]

rolled and didnt get anything lol

[strong halo]

oof

[soft basin]

il try the antimirror and another level of js maybe

51 heat hestia is gonna be horrid bruh

[tranquil hill]

Hestia is busted at high heat until you need to add damage control

[soft basin]

me when no build consistency unless i take em4

[verbal atlas]

are you clicking shackle for first keepsake? and hestia in general isnt super build dependent, it’s damage falls off in elysium but you should be fine before then with whatever

[soft basin]

999358269422321774 i would like a decent special hammer and boon else the hades fight would take a year

[warped sapphire]

Epic username btw

Love using that

[soft basin]

ezgif4b294cb04d572eac

[quiet acorn]

do u have this but larger

[soft basin]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lock-in-gif-12021618010981182913

[quiet acorn]

🙏

[soft basin]

that one after you kill an enemy ares boon is actually kinda usable on hestia

[verbal atlas]

ye it’s quite good on bestia

[soft basin]

does hazard bomb incrase the time it takes for the bomb to drop bruh

[south violet]

yup!

you can special before the special lands though; the cooldown isn't changed.

[soft basin]

yea i noticed

[soft basin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1329437187091075162/1487150310819369072/image.png?ex=69c81828&is=69c6c6a8&hm=f83f2ba0dbe593cbab63bf98d40069eef059ee6d7d2d7d0cf71e3f43159fc706&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=767&height=525

i think i might just keep the same pact from hestia for athena spin

[tranquil hill]

Guan Yu can remove dc hearts really easily with the spin attack

[soft basin]

huge dissagree bruh

[verbal atlas]

u can remove dc easily tho

[tranquil hill]

-1 js +1 dc

imo

[broken echo]

how

[soft basin]

omg out healed than thing for entire furys fight

[soft basin]

on what heats is death defiance guanyu viable

im gonna not do guanyu rn bruh

[tranquil hill]

I think I've done 6 with dd guanyu

[soft basin]

valuable input

[broken echo]

64

[soft basin]

dd famously exists at 64 heat

[verbal atlas]

tooth:

[broken echo]

wait dd still gives a benefit at 64 though

have i forgotten how the game works

[soft basin]

omg bruh i will have to level up my tooth if i want to do 64 heat

im just gonna hope the speedrun mod lets you level stuff up quickly

[soft basin]

why bruh

[broken echo]

you can just download a maxed save

[soft basin]

im not doing that

[broken echo]

your choice

[broken echo]

having dd allows you to refill tooth with kiss of styx

even if it's not activated on the mirror

[soft basin]

999358269422321774

i didnt know you could refill the tooth

fair enough

[broken echo]

though someone should check me on that since i havent run the game in a while

[verbal atlas]

dont have to have it on that side i believe, whenever i had been going for max i believe i was still on the sd side

[broken echo]

oh alright

[soft basin]

bruh getting limited by the sutpid bot cuz im psoting links

great idea to ban images so we have to use links and limit links bruh what

[sly cove]

ong

[soft basin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1329437187091075162/1487191096537645148/image.png?ex=69c83e24&is=69c6eca4&hm=6d38d7d42bdf7e6b79cde4b9ac421bb40fa97961fee1e50e30c2a211c8514bb3&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1104&height=621

me when em4 ap 2

[south violet]

RI2 istg

[soft basin]

hm

[verbal atlas]

u can also do max js ngl

[soft basin]

tbh maybe losing up to dep pockets isnt that bad

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1329437187091075162/1487191860584644648/image.png?ex=69c83eda&is=69c6ed5a&hm=755aa352cabd674265d46c8b28460687a1a4a6d5cdfc86252f377a851466b440&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1104&height=749

either this or max js

ill try max js for now

[soft basin]

this game is too hard bruh

gonna study instead

[tranquil hill]

No DC on Rama is wild
You can take it off with like 1 special, which should lead every attack anyways

AP2 also isn't helping things

AP2 with no dice at that

[forest token]

Yeah do dc2, ap1, js3

Dc2 is extremely free on rama

[kindred igloo]

Is -100% max hp just making it a no-hit run basically?

[soft basin]

no

Stubborn Defiance
Stubborn Defiance is Death Defiance's alternate Mirror talent, which has one charge per chamber. Upon taking lethal damage, the Stubborn defiance will disappear for the chamber and Zagreus will briefly become invulnerable and restore 30% Health. The Stubborn Defiance will come back in the next chamber. The health restored can be enhanced via boons and items and is not affected by the Pact of Punishment condition Lasting Consequences. If Zagreus receives fatal damage without the charge of Stubborn Defiance left, he will die and return back to the House of Hades.

you can take as much damage as you want given its not enough to kill you compleately in a single chamber

999358269422321774

[kindred igloo]

Oh okay ty

[jaunty falcon]

Also the condition isn’t -100% max hp, it’s -100% healing

[kindred igloo]

Ohh

[strong halo]

this made me realize that an evil pact of punishment idea would be to lock your max health at 1

let's make asphodel into a real challenge

[broken echo]

just hitless/damageless

[hexed star]

one mistep in asphodel and you are cooked

literally

[broken echo]

i mean yeah

such is the category fr

[hexed star]

i need to see a hitless run now

[verbal atlas]

theres an entire speed category dedicated to it

[south violet]

(it sucks imo but it sure does exist)

[strong halo]

I know it would be possible, but I found it funny because it literally turn asphodel into a minefield

[pearl basin]

for low heat speeds what's achilles spear's second hammer? I got serrated after flurry jab but it felt more like my dps went down

is this is a skill issue

[broken echo]

i think achilles doesnt really care about second hammer

serrated will decrease your damage if you're starting tidal dash, since the attack takes more frames to come out

i think triple or extending are probably fine

[upper juniper]

Triple and extending

[pearl basin]

that i did

[upper juniper]

The flurry jab / serrated combo is a match made in hell

flurry removes your dash iframes serrated holds you in place for significantly longer

[pearl basin]

absolute facepalm moment

[upper juniper]

dash range down as well

[pearl basin]

thank you very much

[upper juniper]

They’re both best seperately

[abstract cedar]

is aspect of hestia still reliable on 40+ heat?

[south violet]

yup!

one of the most reliable aspects in the game for both heat (though it gets hard-capped at 62 because of the damage-control, and the human limit is 60 because mirrorless can be ROUGH. not impossible with incredible RNG, but very rough.) and speedrunning (has a top time for both unmodded and modded)

hestia can let you play out any build below like 55-ish heat for unmodded, and below 57 or 58 heat for modded

[abstract cedar]

good to know cause i really like hestia

what about guan yu?

[south violet]

guan yu is a very strong aspect in the right hands, however unreliable. it is one of the 4 aspects to have a 64 heat modded clear, and also has a mirrorless 61 as the unmodded aspect world record (both by PlayAd)

[abstract cedar]

i never found the less max health to be a problem honestly

but it deals mid DPS in my opinion

with aphro and charged skewer it can be very good tho

[south violet]

cskewer is one of the builds, yes. the other, the one that was used on the 64 and unm61 to counteract DC2 and RI4, involves the Massive Spin and Quick Spin hammers, along with an athena attack.

[abstract cedar]

is the cskewer build actually good?

ive been mainly using it for guan yu

[south violet]

cskewer gy is competitive until pretty high up, yes!

[abstract cedar]

is EM4 worth it for the heat?

[strong halo]

not for 32 heat

[abstract cedar]

what about for 40 heat

[upper juniper]

I’d put it off till at least 50 if you’re trying to include it in a high heat pact

If you just want to run it for the experience just do it on 10 heat

[south violet]

nah probably 16 (EM4 for bosses, FO2 since EM4 will have it in high heat and the timings are very different from FO0)

[abstract cedar]

what build can i do with hestia with aphro attack

also should I use aproval process for 40 heat?

[verbal atlas]

no need to use ap for 40, might start considering it for 50

[south violet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/695178152325939303/1491179068953985155/image.png?ex=69d6c03a&is=69d56eba&hm=8e022b4b01563bb238c0d5328cea975914a1f292739201559b316c6015890db4& feel free to switch JS2 for HS if you want

will say, hestia can handle approval process quite fine compared to most other aspects. now's not the time yet though (it's a 45+ thing - so you could just use AP2 to bridge the gap between 40 and 45 if you wanted -, but even that's a generous estimate and as such not every experienced player would agree with doing it at 45).

[quaint birch]

Any recomandations for a 16 heat run ?
I am close to the end but I am having a difficult time finishing.
I had to dial back Tight deadline from 7mn to 9 because it was too tight...
I wonder if the easier thing is not to find the athena demeter duo that heals you constantly and hide dash with the rail all the way.
But it's impossible with a time limit.

[tranquil hill]

What aspect? Hestia? And how much titan blood have you invested?

[abstract cedar]

if you want an easy 16 heat run i'd reccomend zeus shield with zeus special, jolted and double strike

also aspect of hera with aphrodite's cast is very fun and easy

in my opinion

[quaint birch]

Well I have already maxed out all the relatioships so I have plenty of Ambrosia and Titan blood to max any aspect at this point.

[quaint birch]

Oh I haven't really used Zeus shield a lot actualy...
Would be a fun change of path.
Although I do notice that I am getting better, survivability is still an issue, especialy if I put on a timer and take risks to clear as fast as possible.

[abstract cedar]

if survivability is your main issue then zeus shield is for you because it can block and does damage very safely

you can block yourself with the shield while the special does all the damage for you

although you still gotta maneuver it a bit

[quaint birch]

I'll give it a shot. Zeus keepsake should be enough get all the boons before asphodel!

[forest token]

ngl despite what frei and alexca said about ap, i personally take ap1 on 40 heat no matter the aspect lmao

esp since you're using hestia, taking ap1 would be really doable here

turning js2 to js0 would be really nice, would help you bank even more time as well

[sly cove]

i dont like ap1 on 40 but its like fine

i feel like if u have ap1 off u spend less time rerolling for good luck and more time getting good

[forest token]

i mean true but also it's hestia lmao

[south violet]

Yk, I used to be an ap1 40 heat apologist and then did some 40 heat winstreaking and realized the ap haters were right

You lose so many build-opportunities that you are nearly always going to have an easier time playing on ap0 than ap1

[shy plinth]

Ap just not necessary at 40

[forest token]

tbf if you're win streaking at 40 then i def wouldn't do ap

but for a single run i think ap1 at 40 is fine

[quiet acorn]

'just get the boons' brutal

[verbal atlas]

My perspective is kinda warped ig, but I believe there are other pact options that you can take that don’t matter as much bc you just can take boons. Granted for single run it’s probably fine bc of resets, I did a few 50h runs yesterday with ap1 and even that felt abysmal and so I swapped back to ap0 and it just feels so much nicer even if it means I’m js3 cp2 em4 like build at any point the earlier you’re able to form it will just let you steam roll. Personally I just hate the reset till you hit mentality so running whatever you can to lessen the amount of resets to get a build together is always a go to for me.

[green prairie]

what are some of the most consistent 32 heat builds that people run? I did the hestia one, it took me 3 tries to clear. But then I tried one with the sword (nemesis), I was really struggling. I went 0-8 with it. Then I moved a point out of jury, and a point out of Approval Process and instead did a more strict deadline (5 mins). Then I won the next run, which kinda surprised me cause it was the fastest i ever won. I think AP makes it way harder if you want to get specific boons. especially cause i don't have enough darkness yet to max my rerolls

i kinda want to try a bow build next

[south violet]

Check pinned guide, it's quite good.

[forest token]

i mean removing an option def makes it a lot harder to get stuff lmao

[sly cove]

i wonder if i could winstreak 32 heat

id probably need to make myself not washed

[quiet acorn]

Yea not possibl

[sly cove]

i just need to finally catch up on my damn homework

[forest token]

simply ignore your hw

[sly cove]

yea except i might fail this class

[forest token]

nonsense

[upper juniper]

dw twin we're in the same boat rn 😁 we got this

[green prairie]

yeah i guess im just surprised in like all 8 runs maybe in one of them i didn't feel like i was running a really bad build. Maybe it was unlucky. Or maybe if you are running AP, you need more of the rerolls. I only have enough darkness for 1 so far

[upper juniper]

Even having max rerolls doesn’t save you from the huge build consistency nerf of Ap1 even

and the rerolls also don’t fix your hammer odds whatsoever for the more hammer reliant weapons

[green prairie]

ya thats very true. saw the items i wanted on the hammer multiple times only for them to be crossed out

i tried another run w/ the same setup, went ok, just was probably 1 minute too slow

i gotta learn to use the companion better

[sly cove]

pop it on tart midboss/aspho midboss/ely midboss/heroes/dad

assuming ur using meg (use meg)

[tranquil hill]

Than gang rise up

[ashen garnet]

[green prairie]

what do most high heat runners here use for controls? I am playing melee weapons, and i feel like sometimes it just doesn't flow nice with the movement. I use Keyboard/Mouse rn. Thinking of trying controller. Anyone have opinions on them?

[forest token]

kbm and controller both have their pros and cons

but i wouldn't really say one is better than the other completely, they're both pretty equal considering there's top players in both kbm and controller

i use kbm and the only things i moved around are special to right click, cast to a side button, and reload to a diff side button

one of the best heat players in the world uses default kbm binds actually

[green prairie]

ya, i had to move reload to a side mouse button

[forest token]

so like whatever works for you realistically speaking

[green prairie]

was just considering rebinding special as well

i just feel like when i am controlling my directions

it sucks

that i have to take my fingers off WASD to do a move

it was same w/ hestia

pressing "r" after every shot was way harder than pressing side mouse button

[forest token]

special to right click would work since you typically don't use cast as much

i think that's the default for cast iirc

[green prairie]

ya it is the defualt ur right. And that seems like it could be a good idea

i have two side mouse buttons

so maybe could use cast on one of em

[forest token]

yeah that's what i do

[green prairie]

i tried it out, seems to work pretty well

thanks for the advice

[quiet acorn]

i play kbm with default

yea finger off wasd to special is annoying but too used to it to switch it up now

[green prairie]

i only got the game a few weeks ago so i think its not gonna be too hard to relearn

[ashen garnet]

The blursed yet rather optimal Mouse+Controller (1 stick for movement) can also be a thing if you can find a comfortable way of using them and handling moving+aiming directions

[tranquil hill]

Not a high heat runner per sé, but I use WASD to move, space to dash, shift to summon, F to gift, LMB to attack, MMB for special, RMB for cast, M4 to interact, M5 to cast, and scroll up to reload
Makes everything nice and accessible without repositioning hands too much

[soft basin]

the ultimate tip is to just remap for different weapons

[soft basin]

i would use my ring finger to press q so moving in any direction that involved right would be a bit finiky lol

[quiet acorn]

yea same

[quiet acorn]

sounds like hell

[soft basin]

skill issue

[tranquil hill]

Remind me again, where does the game take place?

[green prairie]

hades does take a long time on EM4

[south violet]

Holy damage-sponge indeed

Having a 40 heat clear as your first em4 win is wild by the way

[green prairie]

thanks, ya i am trying to get better at the game. I feel like i got pretty good with the hestia thing

so i was just like, "why not"

but ya, he takes so long to take down

[south violet]

Particularly on hestia, an aspect not known for its backhalf-damage. That aspect's damage (relative to enemy health) falls off a cliff the moment you enter elysium

[green prairie]

at the end i was getting kinda sloppy cause my timer was running down so i went more aggressive than i normally would have

[green prairie]

ooo. Maybe i was fortunate then. I had good weapon hammers

[south violet]

You got the attack-spam qol hammers, those definitely did not help your damage (outside of a mild increase to armor from piercing)

Clockets or hazard bomb would have been damage-help

[green prairie]

yeah i almost got hazard bomb. maybe i should have

i just thought with ricochet i could shoot thru those elysium guys shields

and that could help me out

[south violet]

Given your build and skill-level the hammers you took were perfectly fine, dw about it!

Oh wait this clear used high confidence and golden touch lmfao

Definitely switch off hc if you're not speedrunning, and switch off golden touch no matter what it's so bad

[green prairie]

yeah, i guess since i have more health i could use a different keepsake

[south violet]

Even so acorn here would have been better in styx

Collar does not have a use below extreme high heat (55+) asphodel (and the one niche it does have that high up is if there's a chaos you want to take entering asphodel, but your max hp is low)

Otherwise, it always is beaten out by acorn or tooth, as the effective value you would get out of those is higher especially with Hard Labor enabled
And in most of those situations, acorn ends up being more valuable than tooth because it doesn't matter how much damage each of these first 5 hits do, you'll take 0 no matter what. The only time acorn backfires is if you get bodied by an EM4 summon.

[green prairie]

i see hmm

yeah i don't have acorn yet tbh, im kind of a noob

i guess i better give eurydice some more gifts 😆

[sly cove]

hell naw yo ass tweakin jigsaw

[tranquil hill]

If you cleared in 40 heat, you're no longer a noob lel

[plain creek]

ok trying out 32 heat for the first time, honestly not as bad as i was expecting

5 minute time limit seemed really mean till i beat tis with a minute to spare lmao

died to lernie and turned out i was on 33 heat

think i gotta work on properly dodging and giving myself an extra 2 minutes so i can not freak out

[plain creek]

Oh, and

Why is the benchmark 32 specifically?

[south violet]

check pinned guide

there are a few good pacts, but basically the ones you want to avoid are js, cp, em4 specifically (lower tiers are fine), ri, ap, and sometimes hs

[quiet acorn]

its the 3rd skelly statue

[plain creek]

Ahhh

Makes sense why it didn't click for me then, never even revealed the first one

[quiet acorn]

power of 2, half of 64

[south violet]

oh wait yeah I completely misunderstood what was being asked, my bad

[nova flame]

Thought I would share my stupid build here that's like beginner friendly

Use Zagreus Shield or Chaos Shield

Special Ares Doom
Spam Special attack
Buff doom damage
Profit

Best Daedalus hammer = special bounces up to 4 targets

That's how I got my 32 heat

Throw shield - kite - doom damage - repeat throw shield

[forest token]

works if you've got a lot of time on your hands lmao

and don't have tight deadline on prob

[sly cove]

this sounds like a build u would win on ur 5th run with

larp ff

[crisp solar]

Definitely was a similar build to one of my first clears ever

[hollow juniper]

sounds satisfying

the heat you guys are talking about is the pact of punishment ?

[nova flame]

Yep yep

For me I really don't want to play with 32 heat

But the skelly statue was calling me

I can try like

20 heat

But I'm more comfortable running in 5 10

10 is like extreme measures

[forest token]

Maybe if your build was better 32 heat would be more enjoyable lmao

[shy plinth]

Got em

Oh there's a mod tag and I just don't know how to use it lmao

[clever otter]

for stuff like that you can just ping the moderator role!

[shy plinth]

Ya, that was my b - I typed in @mod and the tag didn't come up on my screen. Next time I will continue the word

Ty for the fast solve

[clever otter]

many ppl usually ping

[sly cove]

maybe a better pact too

[green prairie]

is there anyway to practice super hades? i wish i could just fight him back to back like 15 times on EM4. I finally finished another EM4 run, but its so hard for me. especially with Hard labor at 100% and forced overtime maxed out. I am starting to be able to dodge most of his attacks tho, I think the first phase might be the hardest tbh

i frequently go in with like 2 death defiance or more and still can't beat him

[tranquil hill]

Maybe take off hard labor instead
You can extend the fight length with calisthenics program 2 so you get more dad per run

[south violet]

Savestating the fight, if you're on pc

[green prairie]

do i have to get a mod to do that?

[green prairie]

ya thats a good thought too. maybe i could just only do EM4+calisthetics+overtime. rest of the run shouldn't be too hard and ill make it there in one piece then i can get a longer practice run in

[left prism]

there's mod to set up save states but you can also use the temporal saves the game uses iirc

_ _
The following assumes your save data is in Slot 1:
1. Rename Profile1.sav to Profile1_old.sav
2. Sort by Date modified to locate your most recent save (.sav file)
· For example: Profile1_Temp.sav, Profile1_Temp.sav.bak, or Profile1.sav.bak1
· If your save data is corrupted, start with Profile1_temp.sav
3. Rename that file to Profile1.sav
4. Open the in-game Play menu and look for the save
5. If that doesn't work, repeat from Step 1 with the next most recent .sav file

basically reach super dad and grab the temp save, copy and rename to another slot

[soft basin]

You can make save states

[green prairie]

oo thank you. Maybe this is what i can do. I feel like on the runs i lose its usually hades so i if I get good at that id be clearing way more often

[left prism]

Just make sure you don't arrive with a too busted of a build lol

[green prairie]

dude, i have been arriving with good builds i think... but im still getting rekt

[left prism]

Oh I mean in a "don't use a super busted build as practice"

Cuz if you nuke him then is not worth much

[green prairie]

o ya right

i really just wanna go to learn all the animations more than anything

[left prism]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/126vagPhjSWQMR1x8O9tJT3neweSTdUUfw2pNVjqX7lU/edit?tab=t.0 there's an em4 guide too

[green prairie]

i find the spin move ironically easier to dodge in super hades with forced overtime on than the regular hades. I think i dash too soon on regular hades everytime

[left prism]

also any specific reason you are doing em4?
you can avoid it for most heat levels if increasing the heat is your only goal

[quiet acorn]

use savestates

or use acorn and quit and reenter before all charges are used up

[green prairie]

it just feels cool i think. Like it feels neat to beat the final boss in strongest form

[left prism]

Fair enough

[ashen garnet]

Arguably, classic spin can be seen as a "jumpy-dash-catch" when compared to other attacks timings

[green prairie]

i did some 32 heat w/ hestia and even up to 40, but had been doing 32 heat with the bow and i just was finally able to beat it today. I was doing zagreus aspect

[green prairie]

what is "jumpy-dash-catch"

[ashen garnet]

Like, over reacting to Hades attack patterns by wasting your dashes before the actual pattern hits

[green prairie]

ooo yeah. that is definitely what is happening

[ashen garnet]

FO alter Hades attacks differently because some of them are capped speed-wise and also lessens the timings difference (to dash iframe) between different patterns

[green prairie]

it just feels awkward that i have to wait for it almost for the normal hades spin thing

[ashen garnet]

Yeah, FO0 P1Hades spin feels so slow once used to FO2

[green prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-sonic-the-hedgehog-waiting-bored-patiently-waiting-gif-17858113

waiting to dash like^

the FO2 feels more natural in tune w/ reflexes ig

[quiet acorn]

morgott in ER

[green prairie]

i never played ER. I think the most similar games i played to this are diablo3 and binding of isaac 😂

this game is amazing tho. I own hades 2. I am not sure if i want to move on yet tho

kinda wanna try to master some high heats, not sure i have it in me. I think 32 heat is decent tho, im glad i was able to do. Not sure if i will be able to do 50

[quiet acorn]

it is fun

[green prairie]

ya, there are so many weapons and stuff to play with too and they all feel really different. even the different aspects

[rose blaze]

Türk yok mu

[modern estuary]

I could never get used to Zeus shield gameplay nor get good damage with the throw

[soft basin]

silk issue

[sly cove]

thats so real

[modern estuary]

I always I forget I have bull rush until like Elisium as well

[modern estuary]

Do the "Benefits Package" perks appear in the Codex or something to view what they do? Best I can find is a list of all of them in the List of Minor Prophecies

[forest token]

I don't think it tells you what they do

I think some of them are self explanatory but others can be dubious

Like cloner makes clones

[modern estuary]

Alright, I'll resort to suffering through Fandom then to find a wiki page

[forest token]

lmfao

it do be like that

[upper juniper]

it’s a really simple google to find the fandom wiki page though

you aren’t really suffering a trek to get there

The pact of punishment page has them all

[modern estuary]

I mean being on the awful site that is fandom

[green prairie]

has anyone here ever done a run on a new game? Can you actually beat it? I kinda want to go back and try. Is it even possible?

[shy plinth]

https://www.speedrun.com/hades?h=Fresh_File-Normal_Mode&x=9kv9gg82-9l7x269n.zqo0794q

It's called "fresh file"

[south violet]

anyway hi I'm the local freshfile nerd

guide by sofpog https://scientific-paprika-b40.notion.site/Hades-Fresh-File-First-Run-Guide-2d647029f5c34252acbd38ad5e54b221

[green prairie]

o wow

you made a guide for it?

[south violet]

not by me, though I did contribute to it

[green prairie]

wow. it seems doable

[soft basin]

freshfile mentioned

[south violet]

like, don't get me wrong, it certainly is difficult (compared to 40 to 50 heat depending on the aspect, so I'd say ~45 heat on average) and very different from speedrunning or even high heat (though there are transferrable skills to and from it). however, much of fresh file's difficulty comes from how different it is; mechanically, it becomes easy enough to perform a fresh file run once you understand what you're doing (very little BS ever happens that couldn't be avoided or made less significant by making better choices).

[soft basin]

is hellmode ff 5 heat ontop of that

[south violet]

eeeeh. more like, +3 heat at the high-end. you can hit to have hard labor and lasting consequences not matter as much

though on average yeah probably +4 or +5

[green prairie]

wow it would be really cool to do

it would also force me to get good mechanically

[soft basin]

• bonus fun times cuz monodash hades

[green prairie]

sword is one of my weaker weapons i think tho. I am probably best at hestia/bow/fists rn

yeah i did actually do a run for achievements earlier this week where i used all the weird talents i normally don't use and i think it took me 2 tries. but ya having 1 dash was strange

[south violet]

fresh file will definitely not help with combat (you're barely ever going to deliberately use ruthless reflex / ri3 on a maxxed save file), but it can teach enemy-patterns and dash-management

[soft basin]

dash management my beloved

[south violet]

(meme by scratch https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1219645392870969415/1387561014282948638/NDmemeDashTechResized.png?ex=69e9f525&is=69e8a3a5&hm=e0851b7bb949f284eec3137dca9e219a0cebdc761757fa117391257a3a71c381&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1300&height=800)

[green prairie]

me on the left

well, i have been getting better at it, so maybe not quite

[soft basin]

tbh all the dashmanagment i learned from ff goes out the window as soon as i play with double dash

[south violet]

Come on now, you've never delayed a dash in your attack-rotation (and not immediately transformed it into a dashstrike) to line up with an enemy-attack?

[soft basin]

im sure there is some carry over but im much less intentional

[verbal atlas]

vro it’s literally 0 what are you yapping about

[south violet]

"let's see you take a crack at it, young lady"

[verbal atlas]

i haven’t tried ff in months also i gotta actually boot up hades for that relay LOL

[soft basin]

lets see you get cracked

[sly cove]

🤨

well i beat 50 heat and i couldnt beat fresh file so fresh file is harder

ig i had modpack on 50 heat LOL

[soft basin]

im so based for 2 51h and 2 ff wins unmodded

[ashen garnet]

ff, ruthless reflex and ri3 mentioned 👀

[ashen garnet]

Sword became my 2nd best after getting very used to ff
Also to note that FO0 timings is the less transferable skill (sadly), and may take some time to readjust when switching between both speeds (still deadlier on monodash)

[green prairie]

ya, ok so i did 2 tries

first try i only got to meg, it was kinda bad though. I guess i didn't really think about my play speed and stuff

second time i made it to the hydra

it seems DOABLE, but i would have to practice

it does feel good playing it though, like, i remember it took me many tries to beat meg my first play thru

like i had mirror talents and stuff

i can't remember maybe it took me like 5+ runs to down meg the first time? i think i actually made it way further after getting thru meg, i think i saw hades for the first time around 15 runs in. beat him on the 20th