h1-high-heat-strategies

[quiet acorn]

i wouldnt do chiron

[uncut mist]

i dont like 1c4

im reading your 32 heat guide rn

i keep on getting hit

[quiet acorn]

you can get hit more with lc4

thats the whole point

it makes it easier

[uncut mist]

i see

ill do one run with my packs

[quiet acorn]

because you get to use one defiance per room

[uncut mist]

then ill switch to lc4

[uncut mist]

i use sd all the time

[quiet acorn]

that makes lc4 even easier

since with healing the only time youre realistically at full health is AFTER a boss because of the fountain

so the healing isnt playing much of a role anyway

[uncut mist]

if i remember correctly

you cant heal on fountains

[quiet acorn]

i mean without lc4

[uncut mist]

what build should i use?

[quiet acorn]

for chiron? no idea

[true oracle]

so with lc4, is the plan to use stubborn defiance and hope to pick up touch of styx as your 'healing'?

[quiet acorn]

idk how to make it work

[quiet acorn]

yes

[true oracle]

if you get c34 patroclus, is touch of styx guaranteed to last until hades on a 2sack?

[quiet acorn]

the only place you would only really need the extra hp from the touch of styx is the hades fight and the 2nd half of elysium depending on the enemies

[quiet acorn]

on a 2 sack it will last no matter when u get it

if u get c34 patty i think u can go 3 tunnels without losing it

[true oracle]

well, you can also use it in styx to benefit from it twice against hades
once as a heal before you start his fight, and once during his fight

[quiet acorn]

well of course

thats how it works

[uncut mist]

what pacts should i remove?

[true oracle]

hm, lc4 is staring to make more sense

[uncut mist]

can i use posidieon cast on beowulf?

[left prism]

Best in slot

[true oracle]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16_JXPaAt8fegie6Ss2x5tVeaR-FzoFlIgp0etd3yLHI

[uncut mist]

thanks

should i take chaos gates?

[bleak grotto]

Yes

[forest token]

I think it depends on like if you get early patty and then like long tunnels for 2 sack then it won't last lmao

[quiet acorn]

Pretty sure it does tho

[forest token]

I could be wrong bc I didn't do the math lmao

[quiet acorn]

I mean maybe depending on like Ely skips

I don't think I've ever got earliest patty into no skip Ely into 2 long tunnel styx

Pretty sure erik is playing modded so it should be short tunnel anyway

[forest token]

I think even with midshop double long tunnel it doesnt last

Oh

Then yeah you're fine

[true oracle]

yeah it's just encounters right, so all the non combat chambers and shops don't subtract from the 15

[upper juniper]

👍

[uncut mist]

can i turn on AP1 and lessen LC?

[quiet acorn]

healing hardly helps you if youre running stubborn

but if you really want to reduce lc then dont take ap

ap is just worse

[uncut mist]

kk

is it ok that i dont have all the aspects maxed?

and my rolls on to level 3?

[quiet acorn]

the level of other aspects doesnt affect the aspect you are using

naturally only the level of the aspect you are using would matter

[uncut mist]

yeah

but my zeus is level 1

[quiet acorn]

zeus can work at lvl 1

why is everyone a zeus fan smh

[uncut mist]

i just wanna try it

[broken echo]

Second best aspect fr

[midnight saffron]

I've managed ||32 fear|| in H2, but I can't for the life of me do 32 heat in H1. Advice? Builds?

[ivory drum]

Check pins for Bananas guide

[ivory drum]

Also, could you spoiler || fear || please?

[midnight saffron]

Done, thanks

[true oracle]

are fists just, not really great?
32 heat on hera bow didn't feel as hard as 8 heat demeter fists

[ivory drum]

Fist kinda suck for heat, yes

[true oracle]

main obstacle is hades, i can get through a run without using stubborn defiance then he just kills me, takes really long time to dps him down and his melee swings are really hard to dodge when you are melee yourself

[ivory drum]

Why are you running SD for eight heat?

[true oracle]

honestly because I want to build muscle memory around playing it

i've been running FO2 at low heat for other weapons because I don't want to "learn" the slow patterns for monsters

but I had to turn off FO2 on the fists, it was just too easy to get hit

[ivory drum]

What build are you using

[true oracle]

it was dem fists with cross strike (forced by speedrun mod and seems good) and zeus attack

then just... whatever I found for the rest of the build

[ivory drum]

Breaching Cross is best hammer, but I would recommend trying Merciful End

[true oracle]

interesting idea yeah

feels like i'm dashing 100% of the time against hades anyways 😛

probably athena on special then i guess, and dash

[ivory drum]

yes, sadly ddash does not open ME :(.

[true oracle]

is ME with ares on rama special good?

[ivory drum]

no

[true oracle]

really? it seems super easy to tag half the screen with that special

i guess it's not as fast for single target though...

[quiet acorn]

i dont play fists without ddash

reminder that you cant deflect hades swings or atleast the big circle ones

[true oracle]

i knew you could defect skulls but not that you could deflect swings

[forest token]

Ares special on rama is fine, ME is pointless lmao

[true oracle]

wait, does ME trigger when you use a deflect, or when you hit the target with one?

[quiet acorn]

When you use anything that can deflect

The deflect doesn't necessarily have to proc

[shy plinth]

It's when you use a move that has the possibility to deflect, yeah

But also I believe your deflect has to interact with the enemy hitbox. You can't apply doom from across the room and then whiff an athena attack and pop the doom

[hardy garden]

You just tag stuff then spam attack on then till they die you dont alternate special and attack on stuff. And even if you did doom pretty much already procs by the time you charge up a powershot

[true oracle]

ah, so special, dash-powershot, special, dashpowershot, etc (with occasional extra dash for good measure)

[hardy garden]

Well you skip the specials until things get untagged or you need to tag more things, the tag lasts a couple seconds

[true oracle]

seems like the shared suffering is more important than the doom

although for swarms of run away enemies special + doom (+60% damage on doom from suffering) would have utility

[hardy garden]

Shared suffering only shares attack damage

[true oracle]

oh, boo

i mean still solid because it's a good attack

rama at mid heats tended to feel easier than melee weapons at low heat

[scarlet sleet]

Just beat my first 40 heat run!!! 😮

Just a boring old hestia run, but I'm psyched about it!

What aspect did all of you use for your first runs pushing into the 40+ heat range?

[quiet acorn]

yo #h2-victory-boasting share screen

[left prism]

you linked the wrong channel

[scarlet sleet]

Hold up lemme find the creenshot

Screenshot

[quiet acorn]

oops

#h1-victory-boasting

moyai

[scarlet sleet]

Posted it over there

Super basic strat, basically just super high level aphro on the attack

[quiet acorn]

32 eris , 40 eris, 45 eris, 50 eris, and still eris

[scarlet sleet]

Hahaha, classic. I haven't figured out how to get eris to work

[quiet acorn]

yeah 12 poms would do it

[scarlet sleet]

I got lucky with the pom power duo boon in tartarus

[broken echo]

I think my first 40 was hestia or nem or eris

I forgot

First 50 was Zeus

[left prism]

first 40 was rama for me

first 45/50 were zag shield

[scarlet sleet]

Dude 40 nemesis sounds rough

[quiet acorn]

agreed

lmao

[scarlet sleet]

I was thinking about rama or zeus for 40 attempts

I've only done 32 with zeus rama hestia and chiron

An I super didn't wanna try chiron

[quiet acorn]

yeah at around 32 is when people realiz chiron is not it

[scarlet sleet]

Yeah, it was chill at 32 but I don't think I could push it much higher without awesome luck and no tight deadline 3

Zeus feels pretty doable

Just hades and the minataur are kinda hard

[broken echo]

I was really locked in on nem when I joined the speedrunning server so I grinded for 40 during nem week

I don’t think I could get 40 on any non rail non shield aspect rn

[scarlet sleet]

Dayum, is nemesis supa fast or something?

[broken echo]

Nah I just really liked it

It is pretty fast though

Mostly swapped to Zeus because I wanted to contend with 60+

[quiet acorn]

No way

You could probably streak all weaps 40 if you tried

[broken echo]

I’m not that good at anything other than Zeus and hestia anymore

[forest token]

i mean you still have good enough game mechanics overall so that 40 all weps wouldn't be that difficult

like you have guan yu cskewer

long knuckle fists isnt bad

nem is well

dont get wombo comboed lmao

[broken echo]

True

[forest token]

oh i just realized i conveniently left out bow

but bow is pretty easy so you should be fine lmao

i think unmodded i got 4/6 at 40 first try but i could be mistaken

nem i ended up with like js8 bc i thought it'd be funny

and beo i did like 2 years ago or whatever was 2nd try but i'm sure now if i did it it would be first try

[quiet acorn]

my unmodded goals ended at all weaps 45

all aspects wise at like 32

[uncut mist]

just beat 32 heat

WITH LVL 3 HERA BOW

NOT EVEN MAXED OUT

[strong palm]

is doing em4 a good idea for practicing to learn him better, so you can stack different pacts on?

been running it, and now im reconsidering my pact, but i really do believe its better to get the fundamentals changed and THEN add on number altering stuff

[broken echo]

yes

[broken echo]

p much

[strong palm]

thanks boss, will stick to it

[hardy garden]

Its unnecessary if you arent aiming for super high heats since em4 pacts arent really optimal under heat in the 50s but its a fun fight

[strong palm]

even if the 3 sneaks sometimes gets scary as hell, yeah its fun

i will look at other pacts though, want to do high heats eventually though so having things like this down for me has been helping at least I think so

[broken echo]

If you think high heat will take you past 50, it’s a good fight to learn, but putting on other modifiers and then dealing with em4 is also kinda valid

[forest token]

if your goal is like 50+ then sure, but otherwise em4 isn't really necessary for anything below that unless you wanna do it for fun

[steel summit]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/564704477219651587/1269416451438022816/20240803190722_1.jpg?ex=66affbb2&is=66aeaa32&hm=6c727246ae53f11f4be07d9b6a334114e5255fc09384204eca460455dd369b83&=&format=webp&width=1202&height=676

Is this fine for 40 heat

I feel like I'm taking AP a bit ealier than I should

[shy plinth]

You are

Why not HL5?

Not sure I'd take HS either but that's up to you. Remember to dodge hades jars

[steel summit]

I felt like HL5 was too big of a jump from HL1 I was doing on 32 heat but maybe I'll take it

[shy plinth]

Yeah at a certain point you just gotta not get hit if you're pushing 40+

[steel summit]

I also thought I could swap to hell mode but that includes CP1 right

[shy plinth]

It does, and you cannot swap files anyway

[steel summit]

You ought to get used to at least AP1 too

[shy plinth]

At 40?

[steel summit]

For 40+

[shy plinth]

At a certain point sure, but like you said, it's early on and there's no getting around hard labor

[steel summit]

You can on PC or so I've heard

[shy plinth]

Oh you mean like editing the save file?

[ivory drum]

You can with the modpack

[steel summit]

Ye

[shy plinth]

Sure

I wouldn't bother with that until much later though

There's lots of heat still on the table here with hard labor, jury summons, damage control, etc

Reasonable enough time to learn HS, but I wouldn't go for AP right away. You can but it is a bit early

[steel summit]

Is JS2 fine for TD3?

[shy plinth]

TD3 is not escapable so it kinda has to be

[steel summit]

Aight

I think I'm just gonna go for HL5 tho

[shy plinth]

Yep that's where I'd start

[steel summit]

Alright gonna grind this pact then

[shy plinth]

GLHF

[quiet acorn]

i take ap1 for 40 sometimes

if its not a needy aspect you rarely feel it

[shy plinth]

I guess there is some aspect dependency

Like Hestia doesn't care

[broken echo]

hestia ap2 at 40 is kinda chill

just start with an attack

[steel summit]

Hades acts hella weird when charmed, he did a spin attack with absolutely 0 windup

[hardy garden]

Real gamers take cp1/0

Also ap bad

[broken echo]

ap is fine just get what you need

[forest token]

ngl i think ap1 at 40 is pretty standard

[broken echo]

Atleast for speed

[forest token]

not even for speed

i just think it's something you should take unless you have other good subs for it

you can still like go for duos and ME with ap1

[scarlet sleet]

AP2 for 45 heat hestia? Opinions?

Just beat 42 heat with splash dash and shackle

Feel like I could just throw on AP2 and do the same run again

[broken echo]

Yeah

[scarlet sleet]

Lit, I'm already trying it

It's not letting me post a pic, but I was wondering if my pact could ve appraised for 45 heat

[broken echo]

Most pacts will work

Just stay at cp1 and minimal RI

[scarlet sleet]

I definitely have CP2 on rn 😬

What is RI?

I think I have it off whatever it is

[broken echo]

Routine inspection

[broken echo]

It’s fine on hestia until stuff needs a second shot because you miss the breakpoint by 10 health

[scarlet sleet]

I died in elysium

That was happening a lot tho

Splash dash helps for that but it's still annoying

Especially in asphodel

[broken echo]

You could start aphro attack

Safer

[hardy garden]

Pretty pain unmodded unless you like playing shackle

Or resetting tart until you get an attack

[sly cove]

kill with dash gg

[steel summit]

Lost a really good 40 heat run to double speed/damage lancers, BP keeps proving to be the worst pact

[true oracle]

hera bow, mid 30s heat

with flurry shot hammer, zues attack seems pretty solid?

(already got aprhodite cast obv)

[quiet acorn]

bow an zeus attack no

[broken echo]

Aphro or arty probably better

[true oracle]

yeah, that's my comfortable strat

but i had the rapid fire and saw zeus 🤷‍♂️

that said, I can always UC it, and I picked up call and smoldering air from zeus so i have all i need from him 😆

[broken echo]

Real

[true oracle]

got asterius down and theseus to about 1/8th life before dying

no patroclus run = doomed

I know that patroclus isn't mandatory at 33heat, but to runners going for 60+ just quit if they don't get him?

[broken echo]

Nah

Always winnable

[ivory drum]

Even if they did, you should not

[broken echo]

Just gotta win

On something safer like shield or rail, extra hp just gives you more health with which to outlast tight deadline

Like it’s comfy, but also it’s the different between taking 2 hits and taking 6

So not insignificant but also not required for a clear

And ofc 64 can’t even benefit

[hardy garden]

Zeus attack on 60 base damage is not the way

[true oracle]

makes sense, the run that i had 130% aprhodite on it, it was wrecking face

[steel summit]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/564704477219651587/1270271193982828554/20240806034349_1.jpg?ex=66b317bd&is=66b1c63d&hm=f71a44f749bfcec1417855b8e06884277e9e77e9c73b2a668af7991216c792f3&=&format=webp&width=1202&height=676 How do I push this to 50

I'm guessing some extra JS or blue hearts on weapons that just don't have much issue to deal with it

[quiet acorn]

is that rama

take dc if rama

or any rail or fist

[hardy garden]

Time to do dc2 hestia

[quiet acorn]

hestia is a separate weapon

[surreal heron]

dc and an extra jury summons (use special to strip dc). In an ideal world you'd have personal liability (hellmode) to make the 1 more heat but you can only really change that if you mod the game (which can be turned off afterwards but still a pain)

[honest kernel]

hi, so im new here, and i just started hell mode. I havent unlocked all death defiances nor all the weapons. I know from other runs that the bow with artemis is great for critting with insane high numbers and often but this early in the game for me it's not consistent. I have the skelly keepsake for my extra death defiance, and i have the hypnos one for money early on before i can unlock it in the mirror but im having alot of trouble getting through tarturus. does anyone have any advice for hell mode early on? thanks

[forest token]

your playstyle on hell mode vs normal mode should more or less be the same, what makes the bow hit worse is because of cp1 but there's not really anything you can do about that since that's permanently on lmao

[honest kernel]

thats the thing, I don't really have solid strategies on regular. i haven't even beaten the regular game yet, ive only beaten on god mode. i feel like i have maybe 2 solid builds i use, but in terms of playing to the weapons aspect advantage im terrible. also im on mobile so that makes it harder

[forest token]

oh lmao

the biggest part is just learning enemy patterns and timings

you can win with a bad build but with good game mechanics

if you want good builds there's a build guide pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat

[hardy garden]

There isnt that much of a reason to do hell mode to begin with since you can customize the difficultly pretty much as much as you want to after the first win, unless youre just looking to make the first win in particular difficult. Easiest first win is prob just unlocking the rail and put zeus attack and static discharge on it

[vagrant carbon]

free-ish heat from personal liability somewhat offsets the forced calisthenics

i imagine this is a more important bonus when you go for 40+ heat or whenever you'd start putting on a calisthenics anyway

[hardy garden]

Yeah thats at 50+ heat

[uncut mist]

Hell mode is easy tbh

[broken echo]

It’s just +5 heat by itself and +1 with everything else

Barely exists

[errant oasis]

Tbf the +1 is nice

Wish personal liability was in base game

[broken echo]

agree

I'm just agreeing that it isn't much of a hell mode compared to how bad it could be lol

[errant oasis]

Oh yeah no compared to the general idea of “super hard mode” in games like this then yeah

Hell mode would have to add something not in the Pact for it to be actually im-pact-ful though

[broken echo]

PL should just be an option you can put on in the normal pact tbh

and it doesn't make sense for PL and god mode to be incompatible

[upper juniper]

Eh it comes with a mandatory jury summons and convience fee no?

[upper juniper]

I think the real difference is when you’re new to the game

[honest kernel]

Not cf

hl1 lc1 js1 cp1 pl

[upper juniper]

wrong c[other letter] but still yeah

tbh

automatically having js1 and cp1 forced on you kinda sucks

for the +1 heat

[safe orbit]

is there a document or something similar that shows the highest heat beaten by each aspect?

[ashen garnet]

Both sheets are pinned here

[surreal heron]

Lets see if I remember the modded wr correctly because I think the pins are a little outdated:
Zsword- 57
Nem-60
Psword-56
Arthur-57
Zspear-60
Achillies-60
Hades-57
GY-64
Zshield-62
Chaos-62
Zeus-64
Beo-60
Zagbow-58
Chiron-60
Hera-57
Rama-64
Zfist-55
Talos-57
Demeter-58
Gilga-55
ZRail-60
Eris-64
Hestia-60 (62 using hypermodded)
Lucifer-59

**gigla is 56 and Zfist is 57

[errant oasis]

honestly I don’t mind either of them

js1 isn’t bad at all if it’s just js1 and cp1’s annoying but nothing that big

plus when you get to like 40+ those’ll be turned on ANYWAY

[upper juniper]

…beyond 40 sure

for 40 though likepL

[south violet]

Don't all aspects have a 56 already? Poseidon was the last one at 55 iirc

[errant oasis]

dude surely at 40 you have at least cp1 and js1 on

[hardy garden]

Cp no, js yes

[upper juniper]

One of the two

not both

and I’d take js over cp every day of the week tbh

[south violet]

None of the two

I'm pretty sure I started using those for 45 on some aspects

[errant oasis]

dude maybe I just don’t know how to pact of punishment

during my 45 heat I had both on max

[broken echo]

It’s fine, it will just slow you down to an extent

[forest token]

You can get away with neither at 40 lmao

Cp1 is avoided until like 50ish, maybe 45

Js you take earlier and can be 40 but you can just not lmao

I do bc I don't like cf more than js

Although I'd rather take cf2 than js2 or js3

[errant oasis]

nvm I remembered this so wrong during my 45 I just had js1 and no cp

it’s my 50 attempts that have js2 and cp1

[south violet]

-> hellmode

[cursive portal]

zag fists 57 unsubmitted

havent found the vod

same with gilga 56

[errant oasis]

yeah now I remember i used to have them at js2 cp2 cos i was scared of touching approval process

[cursive portal]

56 pos i gotta upload before i forget about it too

[south violet]

Ah, good, so I was right 😌

Good to know I'm not hallucinating

[surreal heron]

Ahh, makes sense.

[blazing granite]

Anyone now a good 32 heat pact?

[hardy garden]

32 heat guide is in pins

[sly cove]

wait when did all these get 60 i do not remember zagrail or zagspear or nem 60

[quiet acorn]

nem60 was very recent by angel

mysterra did zagrail 60 a couple times

[sly cove]

o

[surreal heron]

llzzqq completed 60 heat spear wrestling the wr from Vaxon who held the 57 heat record.

Zagrail is a tied wr between Mysterra and Playad achieved during zagrail week (although the vod from playad has been unlisted, Mysterra's vod should still be up).

[sly cove]

if its unlisted do we not have the link

[surreal heron]

might be able to find it later, but Mysterra has probably uploaded it to bilibili if you want to see the general gameplay. (If memory serves correctly Mysterra got jolted+zeusattack while Playad got Rush Delievery).

[rough olive]

god damn miniboss skull crusher is such a troll in high heat

[broken echo]

you kinda have to meg to iframe the skull crusher yeah

[hardy garden]

i always mistime the meg

[quiet acorn]

yeah i keep getting stunned just as it drops

and apparently you cant meg while stunned

[rough olive]

made it to champions at 32 heat, died to bullman

[wet furnace]

Pact?

[rough olive]

fo2 em3

[broken echo]

Pretty based pact

What else?

[rough olive]

i forgor

[radiant geyser]

How do you do hades’s third phase😭

[south violet]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/126vagPhjSWQMR1x8O9tJT3neweSTdUUfw2pNVjqX7lU/edit might help (guide by NephiOH)

[velvet prism]

Got all the rewards for 10 heat. I will try to increase it. I’m not sure I have the skill level to finish any higher but doesn’t hurt to try.

[forest token]

You def do

Just believe :)

And play more lmao

[velvet prism]

ill try TD. i had it off the whole time. i was just worried ill take too much time in sytx lol

[wet furnace]

Styx is short

[forest token]

5 sack moment

[wet furnace]

Simply don’t get 5sacked

[velvet prism]

@left prism what’s your opinions on running SD for lasting consequences pact?

[left prism]

The learning curve is worth it

You can get away without it if you only want 32 most probably

[velvet prism]

I was struggling with 25 mainly. I’ll give it a go. I pretty much rely on DD since the beginning so I’ll take the challenge. Thanks

[left prism]

Have you checked bananas's guide?

[velvet prism]

No. Is his more accurate? I was looking at Schad’s guide

[left prism]

More in depth I'd say

Also teaches about Athena dds with stubborn which is what I wanted to ask if you knew

[velvet prism]

Ahh. I didn’t really look at it because I thought it was more for the people who can do 20+ and not struggle.

[velvet prism]

Oh yeah I should take a look at it.

[left prism]

The tl;dr is that use stubborn in room > take either of the dd refills > gain a dd then sd is back next room

[velvet prism]

Ooh

I wasn’t aware of that. Thanks for info. I’ll still look at his guide for other tips in case I overlooked some more

[left prism]

Funny enough if you get both dds + touch of styx dark you can end up recovering more hp than 3dds

Or stack enough touch of styx that stubborn heals you to 100%

[velvet prism]

oh wow

[left prism]

Stubborn is def a fun thing to learn

Getting the feeling on when is the last combat/remembering to proc stubborn then centaur heart

Getting rekt cuz your revenge boon killed the enemy and now you go into dad with 1 hp

[quiet acorn]

😌

[left prism]

And don't forget classics such as post lernie healingn't or egg

[quiet acorn]

egg what

[left prism]

Haelian egg gif

[quiet acorn]

right

[high bobcat]

loutrio's heat guide:
dont get hit

[south violet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1218991079458865182/1286273138648420472/image0.jpg?ex=66ed4eb6&is=66ebfd36&hm=27a3397c448f3f66abec79c138baf5b7101fc05f1452f291c5d0c5712f92fb5a&

[high bobcat]

well minecraft ost works too

[clever otter]

wont playing minecraft music in your vod get it muted/a copyright strike?

[wispy blade]

i have played copyrighted music in like every single video ive ever uploaded

they get copyrighted but like

what difference does it make

[clever otter]

dunno, if its muted it kinda sux

[wispy blade]

it doesnt get muted or anything

[clever otter]

just demonetized or what?

[quiet acorn]

copyright strike and copyright claim are different

[clever otter]

hmm

right

[wispy blade]

like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H26ATN2SP20 this video has copyrighted music in it

but you can still watch it

although some labels will make it not embed

umg i think

[clever otter]

i see i see

i got like super worried about it when streaming LOL so i made a huge vgm playlist with musicians who specifically stated their music can be used without strikes

[wispy blade]

i also have streamed on twitch to 0 viewers for many hours with copyrighted music playing

[quiet acorn]

wow 40 heatspeed that looks so fun

[wispy blade]

so true

[clever otter]

lmao 0 viewers so real

talking to urself for an hour 💪 💪 💪

[upper juniper]

Dw my Hades streams will blow up and bring in 100000’s of viewers and newcomers to the game

[bleak grotto]

Whew!

[ruby dragon]

[quiet acorn]

yeah that was a crazy one

[bleak grotto]

Indeed it was. Once I realized what I was seeing, I exited out so quickly I totally forgot to ping the mods

[wispy blade]

what happened

[bleak grotto]

Horrid gif

[cursive portal]

what heat does to a person

[clever otter]

is ur pfp you drawn as melinoe because that rules

[south violet]

Angel-ified Mel with on her shoulder
Not by angel herself, artist is named in her about me.

[clever otter]

mhm mhm

good art

[forest token]

the artist drew it after angel cleared 64 iirc

[sick prism]

bro is in heat

[wet furnace]

[cursive portal]

I never saw the Mel relation tbh

[surreal heron]

The neckpiece is similar to Mel's (even including a moon crescent). Unlike Zagreus, Mel doesn't have 3 skulls on her shoulder though. I'm guessing the image took inspiration from both protagonists.

[cursive portal]

the face is derived from my face idk what yall are cooking

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/523774570394681344/1139364739303088178/Untitled_Artwork.png?ex=67028bda&is=67013a5a&hm=5e68cbc24d5788cce85ce99bfe086f70c6928ad87f039d8bbb90496a441ec871&

doesnt look like either zag or mel

[surreal heron]

That's cool, yeah mainly referring to the clothing

[cursive portal]

fair

still one of the craziest things to happen to me LOL

[surreal heron]

armband is zag's, top clothing is zag's (mel's below that)

[cursive portal]

just woke up one day and got fanart of myself posted

it wasnt a comission

[surreal heron]

yeah it was amazing, really like this work.

[bleak grotto]

Hecking cheekbones

[cursive portal]

its one of my best features tbh

:smug:

[wet furnace]

Idk as someone with 3 40 heat runs nobody has ever made fan art of me

[sick prism]

I mean that’s what accomplishing the impossible gets you

[left prism]

Niche microcelebrity moment

[fast cliff]

how hard is extreme measures 4?

I beat 19 heat relatively easily but anything beyond that seems to get super difficult, currently just using extreme measures 1 and 2 but 3 and 4 add a lot of heat

[surreal heron]

Depends on the heat modifies you use. Extreme Measures 4 taken without any other heat is challenging but not unfair - that being said if you're trying to push heat pbs you don't take EM4 until mid 50s.

[surreal heron]

what weapon are you using?

Also in pins (https://docs.google.com/document/d/16_JXPaAt8fegie6Ss2x5tVeaR-FzoFlIgp0etd3yLHI/edit#heading=h.d4azlkfsyv3u) Banana has a guide to 32 heat if you're looking to continue pushing heat.

[fast cliff]

ive been using chaos shield, chiron bow, and the cast damage bonus sword. the sword is the most fun but i find the most success with the shield (blocking is really good vs hades and other random bosses where i sometimes die).

before when i tried to go beyond 19 i was doing jury summons, forced overtime and such but I'm trying the hard labor + lasting consequences one now and I like it a lot more. i kind of hate having to deal with swarms of garbage, much rather actually be able to tell whats happening and actively avoid getting hit. Also when i first tried benefits package it seemed insane and i died in tartarus but I think that was because of damage control or jury summons or something being annoying in combination with it because now it seems perfectly fine

[fast cliff]

and yeah ive read this and some other stuff

i struggle most with the theseus fight tbh

and that was without the chariot garbage xd

i only ran into the chariot fight once so im not at all sure how to approach it yet

[fast cliff]

ok extreme measures 3 is waaay easier without the +40% enemy speed

[surreal heron]

I can't really give specific advice (if you want to record a video and send me the link I can do a review for gameplay), but make sure to take easy things like middle management (harder minibosses - 2H) or underworld customs (sell a boon after each biome -2H). With Extreme Measures 3 =6H
For my recommended pact for Chiron 32 heat I'd suggest
hard labor=3H
lasting consequences=3H
Convenience Fee=2H
Jury Summons=0
Extreme Measures 3=6H
Calisthetics Program=0
Benefits package=5H
Middle Management=2H
Underworld Customs=2H
Forced Overtime 1=2H
Approval process 1=2H
Routine inspection 2=4H
Tight Deadline 2 = 3H
=32H
I'd consider these the "easier half" of the pact.

Personally think aspect of Zeus (shield) or Hestia (rail) are better for beginners also.

But yeah, each person will have difficulty with different things so the above advice is very generalised and feel free to discard it.

[fast cliff]

I'm currently using something really similar to the one in the google doc with max hard labor and max lasting consequences

my last run i lost to the timer in elysium

now im eating food & waiting to start elysium again with 3 minutes on the timer

which is a good bit more than i had last time, but idk if im supposed to be saving more time in elysium or before it

[left prism]

Ideally before

[left prism]

Wait why ap1 and ri2

[left prism]

What wep are you running?

[surreal heron]

because ski freak already mentioned they're having problems with fo2

[fast cliff]

rn, chrion bow

chaos shield seems to be way slower for me

[left prism]

Yeah I can see why timer is a bit hard

Which build are you doing?

[fast cliff]

Dionysus on the special

im open to playing the sword instead

[left prism]

If you are doing posh's pact at the very least I would go to ri1 then

To keep priv status

[fast cliff]

ri1?

[left prism]

Sorry, routine inspection 1

Aka just the bottom 3 disabled

Ideally I wouldn't have either approval or routine on for 32 though

[fast cliff]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/843328118084730880/1293526618576523354/image.png?ex=6707b20a&is=6706608a&hm=cfaed0eaa6ea3b5a25fa84d7cf822fc8cde50b49be30876372cb814705187a27&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=714&height=452 this is my pact

[left prism]

(abbreviations are pinned here btw)

Oh you are using the doc one

Which sword do you prefer?

[fast cliff]

the cast damage / dislodge one

[fast cliff]

before this i tried a few with jury summons and damage control and stuff but i hate jury summons and that wasnt getting high enough in the heat without adding more bs like forced overtime

[left prism]

What build are you doing with it?

Or have you not tried it yet

[fast cliff]

i wasnt following any particular build

i mostly liked the Poseidon and artemis casts though

im open to using different ones there too

[left prism]

I rec athena's cast

[fast cliff]

starting with athena keepsake then?

[left prism]

Yeah

Gives you dmg/some range/deflect/opens DD boons

Just don't miss in aspho or good luck finding your casts

[fast cliff]

xd

which duos do you want with that?

[left prism]

Lightning phalanx duo gives you some extra AoE too

[fast cliff]

slash whats the second keepsake

anyway im going to finish my current run quick then look at the sword again brb

[left prism]

If you get zeus (especially call) naturally in tart you can also add Aphrodite for smoldering air

My 32 pos turned into a smair run by the point I reached dad

[fast cliff]

hows 1 minute going into styx

do i have a chance or am i screwed

[left prism]

6 mins is prob enough

Just get the 2 sack

Also you know about going minibosses first right

[fast cliff]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/843328118084730880/1293533759311839252/image.png?ex=6707b8b0&is=67066730&hm=664e57bc06ebe32be418ddad421fcdc6ffbc0727e53f9303368ca0691b0ba6aa&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=714&height=401

welp gg

[fast cliff]

uh no

i thought the timer killed me immediately

[quiet acorn]

gg

[left prism]

Yoooo congrats

[fast cliff]

but apparently it just hits you for 5 for a bit

ran out at the final phase

[left prism]

Minibosses are a lot faster than the normal rooms

Except tiny vermin but just don't get that one

But yeah congrats

[fast cliff]

thanks 🙂

[quiet acorn]

tiny vermin still easier

[sick prism]

been a while since I saw tiny vermin

[reef umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/boy-meets-world-dundundun-gif-7420957

[surreal heron]

#1217113690445185024 message reminder that acorn doesn't work on skull crushers when bullrushing .

[left prism]

No shot that's what causes the bug

Lmfaooooo, sorry for your loss tho

[surreal heron]

nah this was seeded (savestate practice) anyways, happened on my initial grind for 64 too but that's ancient history.

[fast cliff]

if you only get two hermes boons a run does that mean buying hermes boons from the shop is worse? or does it still make sense to buy them if they show up

[left prism]

Why would it be worse, is the same

If I had to skip him in mid shop is prob bc I want the other god in my pool more

[forest token]

or broke

[left prism]

I was gonna add being broke but that's not consciously skipping him

[forest token]

made the conscious descion of being broke lmao

[surreal heron]

You can get 2 by the end of elysium (and if you have gotten those two) then you can buy a third in styx which will have bonus rarity chances. So it's usually worth it to get both hermes early and buy the final hermes if you need it/afford it.

[sick prism]

oh is that the condition? 1 hermes gives anvil and 2 goves a 3rd?

[quiet acorn]

no

styx shop hermes vs anvil is a 50/50 afaik

[sick prism]

thought so

[quiet acorn]

if u only get 1 hermes he has a chance to show up in a styx tunnel as well

[fast cliff]

i always die when i use the sword/spear/fists with 32 heat

any suggestions for how to not take a bunch of damage while trying to hit enemies / mostly bosses with those closer range weapons?

[wet furnace]

Do lots of damage

Also for 32 heat it’s typically advised to take LC4 and use stubborn defiance rather than death defiances

This way you can reset your HP to 30% every room by dying intentionally just before you finish the room (or after, if the room has a way to force dying like magma/elysium traps)

Gives you a lot more hp to play with

The downside is you have a bit less hp for bosses, but a good build can make that less of an issue

[bleak grotto]

Don't dash wantonly but save a dash when necessary so you can iframe through stuff

[fast cliff]

yeah thats what im doing

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/843328118084730880/1295122794157314222/image.png?ex=670d8098&is=670c2f18&hm=6550f09cd311f9c6d7e9c865208d46cf1e4c197d0e3a9fe53dd521b3cbed282f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=666&height=454

i feel like forced overtime is causing most of my problems

but i cant do tight deadline 5 minutes

[fast cliff]

i see

without forced overtime it feels much more like i can just dash -> attack over and over and be fine

[forest token]

Either remove fo or reduce hl imo

Put stuff into js

If you're doing 7 mins you should have more time for js

Sword spear and fists probably wouldn't mind dc1/2 so could do js1/2 with DC2/1

[wet furnace]

You can, with practice!

[forest token]

Or yeah learn td3 lmao

[fast cliff]

minotaur fight also seems much harder with forced overtime

last time i tried jury summons with a similar pact i died in tartarus to a bunch of dudes buffed with benefits package and decided to avoid it xd

but ill give it a go again

I also just feel like i shouldnt be taking so much damage from enemies / especially bosses to be dying so much, even if im not doing the most damage

[broken echo]

i died in tartarus to a bunch of dudes buffed with benefits package
this doesn't stop happening btw

[quiet acorn]

it does after a point

[fast cliff]

with 5 minute timer how much time should i have after each area?

because elysium takes a while and the last area is rng

[broken echo]

but does it really though

seeker witches still get me

[quiet acorn]

other aspects idk but on eris i think its been months since i died in tart

except when i tried 64

[forest token]

3 min tart, 2 min aspho, 5 min ely, rest of the time goes to styx and dad i think

aspho is a really short biome

tart is the longest by room count

5 min ely is mainly from personal experience at like 45+ heat so it might be shorter for you since you wouldn't be dealing with js levels

[broken echo]

ely can vary wildly but yeah

[left prism]

Get the sub 1 ely

Shrimple enough

[forest token]

easy

[broken echo]

times i usually shoot for on 60+ are 4 min at tart, 7:30 at aspho, and then variable ely but preferably at 14:30 atleast

you can go past TD in ely if you're running EM3 though

[ivory drum]

Just be Magnil

[fast cliff]

That’s time spent in each or what the clock should say after? Either way I’m nowhere close to that

[fast cliff]

Td?

[broken echo]

tight deadline

[broken echo]

time spent

[broken echo]

these are in clock

[fast cliff]

Yeah maybe the deadline just isn’t for me because even going fast/recklessly I’m not close to that

[wet furnace]

Are you taking all free rooms?

Shops, story rooms (Sisyphus Eurydice patroclus), chaos

[fast cliff]

I think I wasn’t taking shop #1 but I don’t know if that’s makes 1-3 minute difference

isn’t taking two shops every time shooting your self in the foot a bit?

[wet furnace]

No

[fast cliff]

How do you have enough money to buy from both of them?

[quiet acorn]

you dont have to buy something

[wet furnace]

By walking out the door as soon as you enter

[fast cliff]

I mean you’re giving up a boon/pom then no?

[wet furnace]

Successful builds don’t typically need a ton of boons

With dark foresight you should have little trouble putting together your core build + spare boons to feed underworld customs

If you’re not using dark foresight, that might be part of the trouble

[fast cliff]

I am

[wet furnace]

What aspect have you been trying for 32? I forgor

Please don’t say Chiron

[fast cliff]

I was using Poseidon sword, first I was doing Chiron bow but I did beat 32 heat with chrion bow already so I’m trying with sword now

[wet furnace]

Chiron 32 is doable but takes a lot of luck/resetting in my experience

I would suggest nemesis over Poseidon if you want your first 32 sword run

[fast cliff]

I did Chiron bow with the 5 minute timer actually, ran out of time during the last phase of the hades fight (& only had to do two tunnels)

[wet furnace]

It’s a lot more self sufficient

[fast cliff]

And lost the previous run to the one I finished, to timer in Elysian

[wet furnace]

Yeah Chiron struggles with speed unless you get perfect hammers and build

Even then it’s not like… amazing

I did my 32 Chiron just to be stubborn since it’s the punching bag of aspects

[fast cliff]

Why punching bag xd

Tbh I like the aspect of Rama most for the bow idk why I didn’t use that one

[wet furnace]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1286171207405928448/IMG_4625.jpg?ex=670d3c87&is=670beb07&hm=e5fd192500ff817825385c4a3888da8ca4e4a07e02d005a33fcd67fbefb364f7&

[fast cliff]

I think I was out of blood or something

[wet furnace]

People hate Chiron because it’s not good at heat or speed

[ivory drum]

It’s fine at speed now

[wet furnace]

It sounds like maybe most of your problem is you need to learn to clear rooms faster

[ivory drum]

Like mid to high C tier

[fast cliff]

Maybe

I also have to not die too

[wet furnace]

Well, fortunately dead enemies can’t hurt you

…usually

So you can work on both at once

[fast cliff]

The bomb guys reallymad

They def hurt me after they die

[wet furnace]

The pact in my screenshot is a way to avoid taking forced overtime at all

You just have to pass 5 minute tight deadline

[fast cliff]

I think that’s exactly what I was using

[ivory drum]

Fo1 is pretty easy

[fast cliff]

When I had timer at 5

[wet furnace]

FO1 is just an adjustment

[fast cliff]

Idk I take a lot more damage when using it with melee weapons

Maybe that’s just skill issue

[wet furnace]

Just have to be less greedy

[fast cliff]

But not sure how to deal with it

[wet furnace]

Since you have smaller windows of opportunity

FO2 is where it really gets dangerous

Personally I think it’s easier to learn to shave off 4 minutes of time than it is to learn FO1 HL5

[surreal heron]

nah fo2 is easier, you need fewer iframes to iframe enemy attacks : P

[fast cliff]

How do you be less greedy and go faster though xd

[wet furnace]

Especially since, a run taking over 20 minutes absolutely has easy fat to trim

[forest token]

fo2 makes the run go faster since enemies spawn faster lmao

fo2 makes sure you're using your dashes better and with more intent

[wet furnace]

Yeah dash management is how to go fast without being greedy

When I say greedy I mean like, attacking during a windup more times than is safe

On FO0 you have more safe time

You just have to learn the new timing to do FO1/2

or play delta chamber

[fast cliff]

I haven’t played the rail much and I’m really bad with the reload timing, I find it kind of annoying to use because of that

[wet furnace]

You’ll never believe what delta chamber does then

[fast cliff]

Do you just not do dash attacks then?

[fast cliff]

That’s the three round burst?

[wet furnace]

Three round burst, unlimited ammo so no more reloading

And a bug where you have full iframes during dash attack

[fast cliff]

That’s funny

[wet furnace]

Instead of I frames ending once you press attack

[ivory drum]

No, it's knowing when not to do dashstrikes that is more important

[wet furnace]

Like if an attack is coming up

You can empty dash through it

[quiet acorn]

delta chamber best hammer in the game

[wet furnace]

Then resume attacks and dash strikes

[fast cliff]

Because of the bug or is it just that good?

[wet furnace]

Even without the bug it would still be a strong hammer

[quiet acorn]

not having to reload feels very convenient and invincible dashstrikes are op

[wet furnace]

But with it, it’s pretty cracked

[quiet acorn]

charged shot probably better from a 'best hammer in game' perspective

[wet furnace]

Flurry jab, charged shot, delta chamber

The trifecta of cracked single hammers

Imo

[quiet acorn]

flurry jab idk

[wet furnace]

I’m mainly basing this on my experience with early clears rather than heat or speed, but yeah

[quiet acorn]

has alternatives

[wet furnace]

They’re all run winners

Sure it has an alternative but the alternative is hella bargain bin

The only single hammer that comes close to those 3 is double edge and that’s not even that strong of a hammer it’s just the only good sword hammer

[fast cliff]

Which hammer is charged shot?

[wet furnace]

The one called charged shot

It’s for the shield

Instead of bullrush you shoot a projectile that pierces enemies

[fast cliff]

Oh that one

What’s so good about it?

[wet furnace]

Everything

High base damage, pierces shields

Launches way faster than the bullrush

You can block before releasing it

[ivory drum]

charge does not effect damage

range

[fast cliff]

Oh interesting

[prime burrow]

Charged shot is cool but it felt underwhelming, maybe because I only use Beowulf Dio cast on shield?

Hard to kill 5 smaller baddies with it, I felt

[left prism]

Yeah dio cast is the issue here lol
Also were you using stygian or infernal soul

[prime burrow]

Stygian

[left prism]

Did you get +1 cast?

[prime burrow]

Sometimes you get it, sometimes you don’t depends on if chaos likes me

Artemis is unreliable

I love the build, my issue is only with charged shot

I guess it works really well with other “contact” casts

[ivory drum]

Cshot is especially good on Dio Beo because it gives you an excellent damage source while your cast is out

[fast cliff]

what aspects is damage control bad for?

[left prism]

all of them

Slower aspects like hestia have it worse

If you have some quick multi hit like eris/rama you are prob fine

[sick prism]

actually given how you have to learn new timings with FO1/2 and change muscle memory is it best to just go all in and get used to FO2

rather than taking it in gradual steps

[quiet acorn]

yes

[lime knot]

Anyone have the best heat choices for Heat 32?

[quiet acorn]

pin

[broken echo]

Kinda whatever you want but some common ones are pinned yeah

[lime knot]

Ooouuu okay thank you thank you

[broken echo]

Would avoid RI, AP, EM4(unless you like a tough fight)

[lime knot]

I beat all of hades 2 before getting 32 h on hades 1 and am DETERMINED

but also i'm not into too difficult i just wanna accomplish it XD

Thank you all

[broken echo]

Hestia, Beowulf, and eris should be really easy at 32

Tidal dash, flood flare, and lightning strike start respectively

[lime knot]

ooouuu okay thank you thank you

will try it tonight after work

[sick prism]

my brother in christ you play roguelikes

[lime knot]

You right 😂

[near iron]

I've been trying to beat the game on 32 to heat with every aspect but I'm really struggling with the aspect of poseidon, got any tips ?

[quiet acorn]

merciful end and play it like other swords

[near iron]

Aye, thanks a bunch

[broken echo]

Ice wine and lightning phalanx can be good

Hunting blades

Could also do ME or start tdash into some soup yeah

[near iron]

Thank you very much

[near iron]

Just beat it with lighting phalanx 💪

[broken echo]

I think that was my Poseidon 32 as well yeah

Lmk if you need advice on other aspects too

[wet furnace]

LP Poseidon so fun until all your casts are hiding in magma behind the foreground decorations

[fast cliff]

do the bull rush hammers not work with the power shot hammer or whatever its called?

[left prism]

Charged shot and minotaur rush do work together

You are better off just spamming it instead of timing the power shot tho

[fast cliff]

oh you have to time it thats why it wasnt working for me xd

got the shield & sword wins at 32 heat now

phalanx shot made sword a lot easier

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/836870887214284850/1297540683955048539/image.png?ex=67164c6e&is=6714faee&hm=877dc7d7481a56d386a714423c2a8e34cdc671910fae1b83be61b6857e259f9c&

[left prism]

[fast cliff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/836870887214284850/1297529196448448532/image.png?ex=671641bb&is=6714f03b&hm=8042c3c9ffaf574c6e33f6ad72e684b5233a8ec9637e34d99cf449736b5ed77e&

i barely used smoldering air, got it right before the hades fight and then forgot to push the button xd

time to decide what to use for fists/spear/rail

[near iron]

I appreciate the help, aspect of gilgamesh and hades at 32 heat are genuinely being harder than 100%ing bloodborne rn

[near iron]

Yo I see you're doing the same challenge as me, good luck

[shy plinth]

Gilga ME is way easier than bloodborne

At least the DLC

You'll get there. Nothing can stop the claw

[surreal heron]

Does that include chalice dungeons? Aint no way cursed watchdog of the old lords is easier than 32 gilgamesh.

[near iron]

Yes, cursed watchdog of the old lords also broke me but I managed with booping his nose with ludwig

[tacit valve]

heya, atm im trying to get the 32 heat run for the last skelly price etc
are there maybe any easyish reccomendations with weapons/builds etc?
the pact itself i got pretty solid set up for myself

hope thats the right channel to ask :p

[shy plinth]

The pins have a bunch of very extensive guides

Probably do eris, but there are quite a few options based on what you're comfortable with

Bananas' guide is about as good as it gets

[tacit valve]

did tried it with bow but the last like 3 runs i absoloutly got screwed boon whise

gonna check the pinned stuff tho :3

[shy plinth]

There's basically always opportunity to optimize your pact and mirror, especially for your first time 32 - would start there. It's nice to get precise boons but you can clear without em

[wet furnace]

What aspect?

Hopefully not Chiron as that’s not a 32 Heat clear for the faint of heart

[tacit valve]

rama seemed the easiest for me with the special

i tried shield aswell, but im absoloutlky horrible with it xd

[left prism]

Rama is one of the easiest but you def wanna learn to use the attacl

[near iron]

You should give hestia a try, just don't forget to rebind your reload button to L1

[forest token]

can confirm, bananas' guide is pretty good

funnily enough i read over it last night instead of doing hw and found stuff i want to fix/add but i'm too lazy to do so and i dont remember what they were

[broken echo]

real

[forest token]

oh i wanted to talk about serrated hades spear

vaxon got the wr with that right

[broken echo]

yeah

60

[forest token]

what even was the build

just serrated and aphro atk?

[broken echo]

arty

[forest token]

ah

[broken echo]

crit on additive is stronger than more additive

[forest token]

gonna be straight up

i'm way too lazy to add it

[prime burrow]

I got my first 32 heat with Beowulf, banana’s guide is good yeah

[surreal heron]

Just need the wr holders to write guides about how to play their weapon.

[ivory drum]

Vor guide when

[quiet acorn]

waiting for vid

[surreal heron]

hopefully should be out by end of this week although we'll see.

estimates are about 2 hours long though so you better use the toilet before sitting down to watch : P

[forest token]

or watch it on the toilet!

[forest token]

lmao real

written guides are kinda hard to go in depth without actually showing tho

video embeds would help tho but depends if they want to watch it instead of reading

[honest kernel]

The only weapon I haven’t beat 32 heat is the rail. I keep trying to do it through Hestia and coming up short. I always avoided the rail so it always feels strange to me

[shy plinth]

I would recommend watching some vods, but Eris and Hestia are both very strong at 32 heat (and in general)

I recommend remapping reload from the default binding to literally anything else

I use right stick but plenty of people use shoulder buttons

[forest token]

What's your build and pact?

[broken echo]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1019DSLlyHwg7_oIiN3Il-NUYdHEbl783G7ZvstFSCD4/mobilebasic

This is 99.9% of what you need to know about hestia

[pure pilot]

My biggest issue with the rail is that it doesn't briefly stun with normal attack like all the other weapons lol

[honest kernel]

Same. Just feels so different to me

[honest kernel]

Helpful thank you!

[surreal heron]

fair enough, unfortunately you just either have to kite the enemies (stay away from them) or use special/cast for stunning

[near iron]

Hello hades people, what is the recommended build and pact to 32 heat aspect of arthur ? The standard aphro on attack ain't cutting it

[quiet acorn]

aphro on attack is ur best bet

[near iron]

Any pact recommendations ?

[quiet acorn]

check bananas guide in pins

[near iron]

Aight thanks

[quiet acorn]

np

[forest token]

yeah unfortunately if you want to do it on specifically arthur, aphrodite is your best bet

athena can work to get early DDs or whatever maybe

but aphro atk is prob gonna be more consistent since the rarity on that matters less

[wet furnace]

Learn to weave dashes in between your Arthur combo, will help with mobility

[near iron]

And athena dash too

[near iron]

Been doing that, I'm just not good with arthur

[forest token]

do you specifically want to do it on arthur or do you want to do it on any sword

[bleak grotto]

Or even any other weapon preferably

[vocal notch]

I got by Arthur by just giving up on the weapon itself and using a crystal beam build from the safety of my aura

[wispy blade]

that’s

unique

no further comment

[shy plinth]

Arthur doesn't seem that bad to me, especially on 32

Just take a pact that doesn't involve DC and otherwise has reasonable choices

[near iron]

Specifically arthur, I'm tryna get 32 heat on every aspect and there's only 2 left

[smoky vessel]

Quick question, how much heat is considered "high heat" ?

[near iron]

Lmao

[near iron]

It seems great at first glance until you realize you can't do damage control, forced overtime 2, EM4, or maybe even tight deadline 4 because of how slow it is

[near iron]

I think 32

[smoky vessel]

Thanks ! (thats a lot, I dont think I reached that level)

[shy plinth]

There is no td4

And I cleared it with td3 and fo2 just fine

It's really just DC. Em4 is hard on everything

[shy plinth]

This channel is focused on 32+ strategies. At this point in the game's life cycle, dedicated players are often pushing much higher heat than that, but 32+ is the official barometer for "high heat"

[near iron]

You'll get there, don't worry

[summer spire]

Any really fun builds (not necessarily optimal) that are still viable at high heats? I've already done 32 with all aspects, 42/43+ with all weapons and just looking for fun other stuff to try

[forest token]

as long as you're not taking like ap or ri at that point, all the same builds will work fine basically

a lot of the build adjustments come from the need for consistency really

sometimes bc of dc or something but mostly bc of ri and ap

[broken echo]

merciful end can still work ig

rama is fun

[pure pilot]

I'd spend more time learning on the discord if people used less massive abbreviations lol. You gotta be a WW2 code-talker to understand this chat unless you're really paying alot of attention in game lol

[forest token]

dc is damage control, ri and routine inspection, ap is approval process

the abbreviations are pinned here too

[pure pilot]

I see, I'm still not high heat haha highest heat is 4 right now.
Been taking damage control, 9 minute time limit and middle management

[forest token]

i would recommend not taking dc bc that would limit build making and damage dealing a considerable amount

i'd recommend taking extreme measures 1 for that 1 heat instead

[shy plinth]

There's a recommended sequence for heat progression in the pins as well

[pure pilot]

Hmm OK. Just seemed to be an easy enough problem to deal with only need to hit 1 time to remove shield. But I can see how it effects combos, like the third power hit on stygian sometimes being wasted on it or having to waste my casts to break it on my way over

[shy plinth]

If you get your build to the point where you kill enemies in one hit, damage control means you have to do double the hits

[forest token]

acorn is good so dont give it to every enemy lol

[pure pilot]

Saved the pins for heat strategy and mirror choices cheers.

Been waiting on the last legendary/duos for so long to fulfill prophecy and just can't seem to land em

[forest token]

duos shouldn't be too bad, legendaries tho

[shy plinth]

Are you using god's legacy and rerolls etc, following the prerequisites?

[forest token]

huge pain in the ass

[shy plinth]

Fully loaded in particular

[pure pilot]

God's legacy and rerolls yes. But I've just gotten to the point in my last like 10 runs where I'm not seeing a single new boon I haven't taken before. So I only have just started thi king hard about it. Haven't actually researched to much yet

[shy plinth]

And just to be sure, you're looking in the codex for legendary prerequisites, correct?

[pure pilot]

I just see a list of boons, not pre reqs to get to them?

[shy plinth]

The prerequisites are on the right

[forest token]

if you hover over it, the prereqs should show up on the right

[pure pilot]

Stickybot is crazy annoying lol

Oooo ty

I'll look before I start my next run

[shy plinth]

You can look mid run and you'll see what you have so far

[pure pilot]

I'm playing on iPad btw.

Ergonomically distressing lol

[forest token]

oh yeah that sounds painful lmao

[shy plinth]

https://i.imgur.com/UbkTyoR.png

Look on the right here

This is an old screenshot - sea storm has actually been nerfed since then lol

But you can see on the right side what you need

[forest token]

i guess for mobile you have to actually tap on it rather than hovering over it

[pure pilot]

Ipad too big, phone prolly to small (plus android so can't even get it) and after playing with touch controls going to keyboard and mouse seems like it would feel weird for me lol plus I've got a busted rib right now so sitting at my computer desk for any extended time sounds frankly hellish

[forest token]

ouch that sounds painful

hope it heals fast

[shy plinth]

Would def recommend a controller if possible

[pure pilot]

Atleast it wasn't broken by just anyone

Happened Wednesday night. Sparring was a little out of pocket. I was in the ring with 2019 #1 canadian amateur boxer, 38-4, Canadian national gold medalist and 3x golden gloves champ. Good story for the grand kids some day lmao

[bleak grotto]

Darn champion! Forgot to hold back for the mortal

[pure pilot]

SORRY DYNO

Dyno yelled at me for saying a naughty word

Whiteknuckleboxingacademy.com

That's my club, buddy thought just cause I'm a coach that I wasn't as old or frail as I had previously told him lmao

Brayden Simms is the rib buster

[bleak grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/kung-fu-panda-finally-a-worthy-opponent-our-battle-will-be-legendary-battle-fight-gif-24829111

[pure pilot]

So a little update on trying to hunt down boon pathng on mobile... you can't hover and you can't click

So I get no way to preview paths

Missing proud bearing for Athena, clouded judgement for zues, rip current for poseidon, engulfing vortex for ares, hunter instinct for Artemis, numbing sensation/high tolerance for dionysus, flurry cast/quick reload for Hermes, glacial glare for demeter

[shy plinth]

What does it look like when you open the codex?

[pure pilot]

Uhh. If it would let me post pics here I'd show you lol

[left prism]

Post somewhere else then right click > copy link

[shy plinth]

You can post it on imgur or somewher else and then copy the link

[left prism]

Or use imgur/etc

[pure pilot]

Wait

I'm dumb

Lol and now I know why I wasn't getting those particular boons

I barely was taking call boons and those are all call supports lol

[shy plinth]

Yeah the majority of those are call dependent

[pure pilot]

I'm missing 1 keepsake but I'm fairly positive I've given a nectar to everyone but my father

Also what are the 6 heart locks in the keepsake bin?

[wet furnace]

Companions/summons

You unlock them by gifting ambrosia to 6 particular npcs once you have filled their hearts up enough with nectar

[pure pilot]

I see. So I should always keep an ambrosia in the back pocket now that I've got all the 4th weapon aspects.
Got Orpheus hearts at a lock now so I've been dumping all my nectar into euridice when I catch her

How do I unlock the bottom right keepsake? (Bottom row, far right) only one I still don't have

I've been also being a completionist and getting all my keepsakes to 3 stars lol. Almost done have like 5 left to finish

[left prism]

Have you reached the credits yet

[pure pilot]

Like met my mommy and gotten sent back to the underworld?

Yes.

[left prism]

Talk with dad some more until the heart lock clears

[wet furnace]

Like met your mommy ten times and seen the credits sequence with music

[pure pilot]

Hmm. I falk to him everytime it's available and never had the opportunity to nectar him... beaten him like 5 or 6x now on 3 different weapons and 72 plays xD

Negative then

[wet furnace]

Yeah you haven’t finished the main game yet then

The last visible keepsake is mommy

[left prism]

Oh I misread that

[pure pilot]

Nice kk

[wet furnace]

Dad isn’t visible until you receive it

[summer spire]

I'm gonna try and do a zeus ME run

Last night I did Fists and got 50% hyper delivery with ME in early asphodel (40 heat, unmodded)

Was funny

[white charm]

what do u think is the best aspect on fists

[ivory drum]

Demeter

[white charm]

alr

[white charm]

good pick

[summer spire]

demeter but my highest clear (45) is with gilga

[white charm]

nice

[white charm]

whats a good stategy to get past minotar and theseus

[wispy blade]

has everyone moved to h2 or what

why is this channel dead

[white charm]

not me

i didnt even beat hades yet just started

[bleak grotto]

Why are you in #h1-high-heat-strategies then LOL
Anyway, here are your tips!
#h1-for-new-players message

[shy plinth]

Pretty much yeah

This channel was active for... 4-5 years, right

[white charm]

idk

[broken echo]

Everyone who still seriously plays heat is in speedcord

[wispy blade]

this channel still used to get activity though

[broken echo]

And I have school

The westerns aren’t gonna blot themselves

[forest token]

there's more newer players than older ones atm

and by new i mean literally new, just picking up the game lmao

give them time before they actually start getting into high heat lmao

[summer spire]

Probably, I'm holding out to wait for H2 full release before playing it

I figure I'll get more total enjoyment out of it that way

[wispy blade]

i tried h2 when it dropped for ea and didnt like it and havent tried since

[forest token]

they recently added a new update

[summer spire]

Speedcord?

[forest token]

a bunch of stuff got added including the last weapon

[forest token]

speedrunning discord

speedcord for short

there's a high heat channel there, where all the high heat people typically talk

intsead of here

[summer spire]

Dm me a link please?

[forest token]

it's pinned in #self-promotion

[winter obsidian]

Wait so do you get new rewards for every single heat level?

[forest token]

every new heat level up to 20

and on each weapon

[bleak grotto]

And don't forget about the rewards from 0 heat!

[winter obsidian]

Ok thx. Also I heard there's something special with heat level 8, 16, 32? What's that about?

[forest token]

skelly gives you various rewards, although idk what exactly prompts him to tell you about it

the area right before you jump out, there's a couple of things at the bottom

[winter obsidian]

ok thx

[frozen bough]

It just spawns in and when you interact with them then he tells u

[undone shore]

should i take dire misfortune on a merciful end build?

seems like it wouldn't be great but im could see it being good at the same time

[forest token]

if the other option is impending doom then take impending doom

otherwise you might as well take dire misfortune

it's "useful" until you get ME more or less

at the very least it's unpommable tho and gives you a tad bit extra damage so might as well

definitely not that useful once you get ME tho lmao

[lost pecan]

What do you do?

[forest token]

ME is short for merciful end

[undone shore]

i see, so its more worth to just proc the doom every time rather than trying to build stacks?

thank you!

[forest token]

yeah pretty much

the only time you can actually stack is when your dashes are on cooldown basically lmao

[undone shore]

ig so, i havent built ME before so i just figured the doom only hit when you dash INTO your target, not when you dash at all

[broken echo]

that is how it works

any deflect ability hitting the enemy will proc doom

[undone shore]

ig i dont have the skills to never dash into anyone anyways

but good to know

thanks yall

[mint wing]

Is Forced Overtime worth keeping on? Or should I turn it off now that I've gotten the relevant prophecy fulfilled?

[fair mauve]

What heat are you trying to achieve? I've done 32+ with I think 16 of the 24 available aspects, most of them were achieved with FO on max. Some weapons/builds require heat tailored differently though.

[mint wing]

Oh, I'm not trying to achieve anything rn. I'm still doing 6 heat, but I was wondering if FO is something I'm gonna have to learn to live with.

[fair mauve]

If you want to get all of the statue rewards, probably.

Also for speedrunning. FO makes enemies spawn faster.

[wet furnace]

At minimum FO1 is worth getting used to

It’s a lot of heat for how minor the impact of it is

[forest token]

Imo once you learn the new timings, it's kinda just free and you can kinda just leave it on forever

So like a "free" 6 heat kinda

If your only end goal for heat is 32 heat then you don't necessarily need it but it would be nice to have at least fo1 on

[broken echo]

Yes, keep it on always

[mint wing]

Alright, thanks.

[broken echo]

Might make some BP2/EM3/EM4 patterns harder to deal with but 6 heat is a lot

Also if you ever want to speedrun, FO2 is standard as well

[grizzled widget]

Honestly, forced overtime used to be my favorite heat, now I hate it so much I always have it off
And funnily enough, once I do turn it off, I achieve good times anyway. The pressure from the timer actually existing messes with me.

Wait I confused it with tight deadline

[shy plinth]

Yeah I would just never turn TD off

[grizzled widget]

One reason I can think of why I went from favoriting it to hating it is, back then I literally just used the spear
Every run wasn't too different so speedrunning was a natural temptation, and it worked
Now I'm using all weapons, not as used to them, so I actually risk running out of time and it feels genuinely awful to lose to it

[shy plinth]

Sure, though if we're in the high heat world, I'd strongly recommend practicing until the timer isn't a major limiting factor 🙂

Easier said than done, but pretty important for 32+

[sly cove]

if real just grind it out