#h1-high-heat-strategies | Supergiant Games | Page 41

torn ferry Apr 12, 2024, 4:30 PM

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yeah, but the mod is not in the classic speedrunning modpack

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I don't even remember where I found it

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Speedrunning discord I think ?

broken echo Apr 12, 2024, 4:35 PM

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I can dm people the file i have

vital grove Apr 12, 2024, 4:39 PM

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I was more referring to unseeded vs seeded

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Seeded is less legit than not unseeded to me. Still a huge deal if you do very high or max heat, obviously.

leaden thicket Apr 12, 2024, 4:42 PM

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Seeded by itself still does a relatively small thing, it's only if you can turn it into a routed run that you have a lot more control

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But routing takes a lot of work

wispy blade Apr 12, 2024, 4:44 PM

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well its routed

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nobody has done 64 seeded as in just the first few chambers

ashen garnet Apr 12, 2024, 4:54 PM

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State of things being that we use a RTA/anyheat focused modpack which is very okay for high heat, but resetting for rarity is a chore for aspects/heat which need it. We care, but being that close, H2 takes priority atm dusa

broken echo Apr 12, 2024, 5:21 PM

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vital grove I was more referring to unseeded vs seeded

should've been more specific then.

vital grove Apr 12, 2024, 6:25 PM

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You're unnecessarily pedantic aren't you

broken echo Apr 12, 2024, 6:27 PM

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you're vague and then insulted someone when they took a plausible interpretation of what you said

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we're not mind readers

forest token Apr 12, 2024, 6:33 PM

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Also seeded and routed are pretty different things even tho routed falls under the seeded category

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Bc routed means the whole run is determined already

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Seeded is like first 2-3 rooms

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A seeded 64 is just as impressive as an unseeded 64 because there's so little difference

torn ferry Apr 12, 2024, 6:49 PM

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I feel like there's a world where seeded is harder than modded

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Actually duh, unmodded means you can get 3+ sacked, of course it's "harder" (ie more frustrating)

forest token Apr 12, 2024, 7:34 PM

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Unmodded seeded or not (except routed) will always be harder than modded

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Bc hammer guarantee

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And yeah sack

distant wind Apr 14, 2024, 2:01 PM

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tryna beat 48 heat rn, and im insistent on using rama but this is getting painful, anybody got advice for best heat conditions/mirror?

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i cant tell whether its worth using golden touch for once and just not buying anything till elysium/styx

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and whether i should still go for centaur hearts cuz ive got max hl and lc

left prism Apr 14, 2024, 2:07 PM

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How long have you done em4 cp2

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Cuz at this point I'd drop it for td3 instead

distant wind Apr 14, 2024, 2:08 PM

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ive do em4 for every single run thats 10+ heat

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ill never quite adjust to lernie but thats fine

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im straight up not fast enough for td3

left prism Apr 14, 2024, 2:10 PM

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I mean em4 cp2 does play into that

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The fight takes a while

distant wind Apr 14, 2024, 2:10 PM

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yea

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furthest ive gotten is basically theseus

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got to hades once on like my 4th attempt with some insane luck

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the worst part for me is speed buffed hands/any elysium enemy

left prism Apr 14, 2024, 2:12 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1220518730845651024/image.png?ex=662aeb25&is=66187625&hm=a18b7cab0d5cd584c87ef2500d43bc9c9a89cee30e4cd1897d00964e83ff490d&

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This was my latest 50

distant wind Apr 14, 2024, 2:12 PM

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the hades fight itself isnt where i go wrong

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i love fighting him

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its the amount of damage i take over the run

left prism Apr 14, 2024, 2:13 PM

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Lc4 + stubborn defiance helps that

distant wind Apr 14, 2024, 2:13 PM

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i thought about stubborn defiance

left prism Apr 14, 2024, 2:13 PM

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It demands cleaner boss fights but it helps with all rooms

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Just use it when you drop below 30%

distant wind Apr 14, 2024, 2:14 PM

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might be mildly better than praying for pat or spending everything on a kos

left prism Apr 14, 2024, 2:14 PM

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You can also use the athena DD trick

distant wind Apr 14, 2024, 2:14 PM

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whats the dd trick?

left prism Apr 14, 2024, 2:14 PM

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Proc SD, pick up either of the recover a DD booms from athena

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You'll gain a DD and sd is back next room

distant wind Apr 14, 2024, 2:15 PM

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ah i thought you meant divine dash and i got so confused

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ye i forgor that she still gives those with stubborn

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also golden or deep for mirror?

left prism Apr 14, 2024, 2:16 PM

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Deep

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Point of gold is to have a stronger build

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Styx shop kinda too rng for that

distant wind Apr 14, 2024, 2:17 PM

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fair enough

left prism Apr 14, 2024, 2:17 PM

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Tho in your case you used ri1 so gold income is way lower

torn ferry Apr 14, 2024, 2:17 PM

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distant wind might be mildly better than praying for pat or spending everything on a kos

oh don't worry you're still going to pray for pat with stubborn defiance zaglol

left prism Apr 14, 2024, 2:17 PM

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Pat is so fun with sd

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But you also get more value of its charon well version

torn ferry Apr 14, 2024, 2:17 PM

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Pat is the goat for sure

left prism Apr 14, 2024, 2:18 PM

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Cuz way cheaper

distant wind Apr 14, 2024, 2:18 PM

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torn ferry oh don't worry you're *still* going to pray for pat with stubborn defiance <:zag...

oh yeah no doubt

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pat is never unwanted

left prism Apr 14, 2024, 2:18 PM

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Even w/o the insane items pat is still a free room

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Especially for elysium where a single room can take ages

distant wind Apr 14, 2024, 2:19 PM

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greatshields will never let me be at peace

left prism Apr 14, 2024, 2:19 PM

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But yesh first I'd practice fo2 timings/td3 practice

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That's 9 heat

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And easier fights overall

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(also keep in mind rama em4 is rough thanks to summons)

distant wind Apr 14, 2024, 2:20 PM

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ye double butterfly ball has screwed me a couple times

left prism Apr 14, 2024, 2:20 PM

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Em4 is rough in general but butterfly/sneak bully rama way mofe

distant wind Apr 14, 2024, 2:21 PM

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is it worth picking demeter keepsake for tart?

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just nice damage and chill makes it a bit less tense

left prism Apr 14, 2024, 2:21 PM

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Hmmm, maybe if you wanna reset for rarity

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Her dmg is a bit lacking

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Unmodded I think I'd either start artemis (atk/dash good) or shackle and see where it leads

distant wind Apr 14, 2024, 2:22 PM

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i thought the percentages were like second best next to aphro

left prism Apr 14, 2024, 2:22 PM

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Can also rarity reset for aphro

left prism Apr 14, 2024, 2:22 PM

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distant wind i thought the percentages were like second best next to aphro

At epic it is

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But any of those at common are quite sad

distant wind Apr 14, 2024, 2:22 PM

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ah

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well ill take any excuse to use artemis more

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heart rend has been my fave duo for a long while

left prism Apr 14, 2024, 2:23 PM

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You'll mainly want good hammers

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And don't bother with heart rend

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I'd do zeus/dio/dem specials

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Either for dmg or chill

distant wind Apr 14, 2024, 2:24 PM

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oh no i dont deliberately try to go for it

left prism Apr 14, 2024, 2:24 PM

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left prism https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1220518730845651024/...

Or if you are unlucky you can get dem dash

distant wind Apr 14, 2024, 2:24 PM

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tru

left prism Apr 14, 2024, 2:25 PM

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Also swap to fam favorite instead of priv status

distant wind Apr 14, 2024, 2:25 PM

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really?

left prism Apr 14, 2024, 2:25 PM

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Especially if you start arty

distant wind Apr 14, 2024, 2:25 PM

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damn

left prism Apr 14, 2024, 2:25 PM

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Is 15% less dmg but you get the bonus from your first boon, starts working on first hit

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Arty curse is awful for it

distant wind Apr 14, 2024, 2:26 PM

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ig would be nice to have a lil less pressure to get status effects asap

left prism Apr 14, 2024, 2:26 PM

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And have fun finding the t2 curses with ap2/ri1

distant wind Apr 14, 2024, 2:27 PM

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ive got ap1 and no ri

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at least currently

left prism Apr 14, 2024, 2:27 PM

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Ah was basing around your posted pact

distant wind Apr 14, 2024, 2:28 PM

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maxed out the top 8

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fo2

left prism Apr 14, 2024, 2:28 PM

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For 48 you could do practice fo2+ lc4 and reach there

distant wind Apr 14, 2024, 2:28 PM

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hs ofc

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dc2 ap1 and td2

left prism Apr 14, 2024, 2:29 PM

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Fwiw I'd drop em4/cp2

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Unless you want the fight for fun

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Which fair

distant wind Apr 14, 2024, 2:29 PM

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mostly ye

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i enjoy the harder bosses

left prism Apr 14, 2024, 2:30 PM

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Aight got it

distant wind Apr 14, 2024, 2:30 PM

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its cramped rooms with projectiles and the no invincibility from pl that gets me

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my last run was to theseus and it was the first time id been there in a while, purely cuz of calculated risk

left prism Apr 14, 2024, 2:39 PM

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Checking the pact you could underworld customs instead of ap1

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That way you get full access to strong builds for super dad

distant wind Apr 14, 2024, 2:41 PM

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used it for a bit and just chose ap1 instead cuz i was feeling indecisive

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but that mightve been a bad choice

left prism Apr 14, 2024, 2:46 PM

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Yeah UC is chill compared to ap

broken echo Apr 14, 2024, 3:24 PM

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distant wind ig would be nice to have a lil less pressure to get status effects asap

You could alternatively play ri2

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The other things is that Rama functions well with like 1 or 2 boons, so I don’t think it’s a terrible idea to start aphro attack or hunter dash and just tank the AP2 RI1 over the run

left prism Apr 14, 2024, 3:28 PM

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What would they drop

broken echo Apr 14, 2024, 3:30 PM

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Whatever’s killing them

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EM4 maybe

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Just more comfy for time

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TD2 is an option

left prism Apr 14, 2024, 3:33 PM

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Nah they want em4 for the fun

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But my thought process is that you want as much dmg as possible to deal with super dad

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Even if you can manage with ap2/ri1

broken echo Apr 14, 2024, 3:37 PM

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left prism But my thought process is that you want as much dmg as possible to deal with sup...

That’s fair

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But I don’t know if Rama scales well with any other sources of damage other than maybe lrod

distant wind Apr 14, 2024, 3:37 PM

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its fo2 mostly

broken echo Apr 14, 2024, 3:37 PM

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Like well enough to take ap1 over ap2

distant wind Apr 14, 2024, 3:38 PM

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im good at power shotting but its tougher to find the time and space to land them when im being violently assaulted

left prism Apr 14, 2024, 3:38 PM

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broken echo But I don’t know if Rama scales well with any other sources of damage other than...

Chaos

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Also hammers

distant wind Apr 14, 2024, 3:39 PM

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em4 is staying cuz i dont intend on playing any more after beating this

broken echo Apr 14, 2024, 3:39 PM

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left prism Also hammers

Oh true

distant wind Apr 14, 2024, 3:39 PM

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managed to rack up nearly 900 hours, need time to beat the rest of hollow knight before everything goes into silksong and hades 2

distant wind Apr 14, 2024, 3:40 PM

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left prism Chaos

ive been using thick skin and avoiding chaos cuz of lc, am i doing something godawful there?

left prism Apr 14, 2024, 3:40 PM

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If you are gonna stop might as well do 2 more to leave at clean 50

distant wind Apr 14, 2024, 3:40 PM

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left prism If you are gonna stop might as well do 2 more to leave at clean 50

nah i only do multiples of 4

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also n o .

left prism Apr 14, 2024, 3:41 PM

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distant wind ive been using thick skin and avoiding chaos cuz of lc, am i doing something god...

Chaos is rooms that you don't have to fight/great source of extra dmg

distant wind Apr 14, 2024, 3:41 PM

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ik, just the health loss always scares me

left prism Apr 14, 2024, 3:41 PM

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Applies a bit less with ap where curses can rekt you but w/o it is fine

distant wind Apr 14, 2024, 3:41 PM

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plus i dont wanna have to waste rerolls finding a curse that wont screw me over too hard

left prism Apr 14, 2024, 3:42 PM

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distant wind ik, just the health loss always scares me

If you are doing SD you'll be at 30% most of the time anyways

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Is something you get used to

distant wind Apr 14, 2024, 3:42 PM

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thats extremely true

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dam its weird to acc have reasons to use sd

edgy ermine Apr 14, 2024, 4:24 PM

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do you at some heat point change from the 3 dd to stubborn defiance to get that little bit of heal per room or are the 3 50% just always better?

distant wind Apr 14, 2024, 4:28 PM

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edgy ermine do you at some heat point change from the 3 dd to stubborn defiance to get that ...

depends on how often you die

forest token Apr 14, 2024, 4:28 PM

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edgy ermine do you at some heat point change from the 3 dd to stubborn defiance to get that ...

Whenever you take lc4 really

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Which is generally at 32

broken echo Apr 14, 2024, 4:41 PM

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left prism Applies a bit less with ap where curses can rekt you but w/o it is fine

Chaos curse is funny bc you can just reset

left prism Apr 14, 2024, 4:41 PM

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Yeah in tart most curses are just balling

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If you die oh well

broken echo Apr 14, 2024, 4:41 PM

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Yeah

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Even in ely it’s just like whatever

edgy ermine Apr 14, 2024, 4:42 PM

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forest token Whenever you take lc4 really

oh thank you

broken echo Apr 14, 2024, 4:42 PM

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You can just reset

left prism Apr 14, 2024, 4:42 PM

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broken echo Even in ely it’s just like whatever

At ely I'd def roll more tho

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Assuming the build is fine-ish

broken echo Apr 14, 2024, 4:42 PM

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Oh absolutely

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I save rolls almost exclusively for chaos

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But sometimes the game hits you with the slothful two screens in a row and it’s flamewheels

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Fooni practice—>make savestate—>die, go next

raven lotus Apr 14, 2024, 11:04 PM

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I'm going for 32 heat. What is the best fist aspect/keepsake to use?

broken echo Apr 14, 2024, 11:07 PM

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dem

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start zeus on attack and look for tidal/divine dash and arty on spec

grim knot Apr 14, 2024, 11:09 PM

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or aphro special

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you can also try just ME, or hangover

broken echo Apr 14, 2024, 11:10 PM

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ME definitely works too

grim knot Apr 14, 2024, 11:10 PM

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grim knot or aphro special

for smair

summer spire Apr 15, 2024, 10:46 PM

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Installed the speedrun modpack, all seems to work except I can't figure out the toggle hell mode thing. How does that button work?

forest token Apr 15, 2024, 10:47 PM

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it's in the settings that says "toggle hell mode"

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once you turn it on, the various pacts should automatically turn on

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you'll see it turn on when your heat number goes higher

summer spire Apr 15, 2024, 10:49 PM

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oh I got it now

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cp1 is mandatory on hell mode?

forest token Apr 15, 2024, 10:50 PM

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yeah

summer spire Apr 15, 2024, 10:50 PM

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ew

forest token Apr 15, 2024, 10:50 PM

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hl1 lc1 cp1 js1 pl

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yeah there's a reason why no one uses hell mode until like 45+ lmao

summer spire Apr 15, 2024, 10:51 PM

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ok I'm gonna aim for 47 first with this then do 49 with hell mode after that I guess (presuming I eventually beat 47)

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also is there any to get that hovering icon thing at the top right to go away?

left prism Apr 15, 2024, 11:11 PM

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summer spire also is there any to get that hovering icon thing at the top right to go away?

the god icons are to verify you are using right modpack settings when submitting so nah

summer spire Apr 15, 2024, 11:20 PM

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oh that makes sense

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so people can't cheat on submissions / etc

broken echo Apr 15, 2024, 11:21 PM

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Most people use first boon epic for really high heat though which isn’t leaderboard legal

summer spire Apr 15, 2024, 11:24 PM

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what is leaderboard legal? I'm not using the modpack for submissions, just 1st hammer guaranteee and guaranteed 2nd tunnel sack

left prism Apr 15, 2024, 11:25 PM

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one the sections let you use presets, just select igt/rta

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but in general is like, 4 cores on first boon/fountain indicator/remove tony-barge-bull as minis

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rta has Than disabled

summer spire Apr 15, 2024, 11:27 PM

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what's so bad about than?

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no time used up and you get a heart?

left prism Apr 15, 2024, 11:27 PM

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rta is real time

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so yeah the in game timer pauses but his encounters are longer

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cuz you need to wait for him to go away

broken echo Apr 15, 2024, 11:28 PM

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than is good for igt and bad for rta

broken echo Apr 15, 2024, 11:29 PM

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summer spire what is leaderboard legal? I'm not using the modpack for submissions, just 1st h...

both of those are part of the leaderboard legal ruleset, first boon epic is not atm

forest token Apr 15, 2024, 11:30 PM

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summer spire so people can't cheat on submissions / etc

tbf the god icons dont show up during the run, it's just like the text or whatever

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the god icons pop back up at the end win screen tho

summer spire Apr 16, 2024, 2:08 AM

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forest token tbf the god icons dont show up during the run, it's just like the text or whatev...

yeah I just changed mine to a black dot to make it as minimally intrusive

summer spire Apr 16, 2024, 11:31 PM

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for the speedrun modpack, what does "hyperdelivery / hyperdelivery1" mean for the minibosses setting?

forest token Apr 16, 2024, 11:41 PM

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No clue I've never messed with miniboss settings

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I always just stick with igt ruleset

wispy blade Apr 17, 2024, 12:06 AM

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summer spire for the speedrun modpack, what does "hyperdelivery / hyperdelivery1" mean for th...

different settings for ancient tournaments of yore

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some allow like tony or bull or barge or something idk

summer spire Apr 17, 2024, 11:29 AM

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So early tartarus, pom vs key (ri2 so no extra rerolls) ?

Pom for guaranteed extra dps for core boon or reroll to save for later?

left prism Apr 17, 2024, 11:43 AM

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What wep is this

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Also with pom you mean nectar right

summer spire Apr 17, 2024, 12:04 PM

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Still trying to career best zeus shield

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Only played for 40 minutes last night but tonight I'm gonna grind it hard

left prism Apr 17, 2024, 12:06 PM

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I barely play zeus so take my opinion with a lot of salt, I think I'd go key? Unless my timer is going awful

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Want some better odds for jolted I think but dunno

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Zeus barely needs things so UC protection isn't that huge I feel

summer spire Apr 17, 2024, 12:10 PM

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Yeah it's mainly (higher rarity preferred) zeus special, jolted, then explosive return on hammer but even without explosive return it's still doable

broken echo Apr 17, 2024, 2:36 PM

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summer spire So early tartarus, pom vs key (ri2 so no extra rerolls) ? Pom for guaranteed ex...

Honestly key since your main dps is going to come from jolted down the line and you’re not playing AP2 I think.

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Alternative situation where im on aphro special and AP2 I take pom

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Because it’s so painful to get poms into special after you pick up anything else

summer spire Apr 17, 2024, 4:35 PM

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Would ap1 be recommended?

broken echo Apr 17, 2024, 4:59 PM

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summer spire Would ap1 be recommended?

Prob yeah

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AP2 you probably want to consider at 45+

edgy ermine Apr 17, 2024, 10:46 PM

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so umm im trying 32 heat rn and i'm struggling a lot with lc4 so i dropped it down to lc2 and took +60% damage (instead of +20%) but since i'm running fists it would make more sense to take the two hit shield thing instead of the +40% damage right?

left prism Apr 17, 2024, 10:51 PM

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I don't like dc2 with fists

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2 hits that enemies can't be stunned is still annoying

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Tho ig it hurts less with zeus where you'll rarely get the fiery boost anyways

edgy ermine Apr 17, 2024, 10:52 PM

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i'm running ME

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but yeah

left prism Apr 17, 2024, 10:53 PM

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Yeah I wouldn't take dc then

edgy ermine Apr 17, 2024, 10:53 PM

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so rather the +60% damage and fo2

left prism Apr 17, 2024, 10:53 PM

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I'd just practice more lc4 + stubborn if I'm being honest

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But you can do that yeah

edgy ermine Apr 17, 2024, 10:53 PM

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well you see im playing without iframes, so i really need regen 😭

left prism Apr 17, 2024, 10:54 PM

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Wait why don't you have iframes

edgy ermine Apr 17, 2024, 10:54 PM

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i'm playing on touchscreen

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and in order to make dashstrikes without getting mad

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i put the dash button over the attack button

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but since i press both at once

left prism Apr 17, 2024, 10:54 PM

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Ohhh

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Reset for delta chamber 🧠

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(and play rail)

edgy ermine Apr 17, 2024, 10:55 PM

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i don't think i ever had a successful clear with a rail 😭

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but yeah except for hades shockwaves(and constant minotaur attacks) dd can do almost all that my iframes can which is why i'm running ME

broken echo Apr 17, 2024, 11:43 PM

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edgy ermine i'm playing on touchscreen

Is it at all possible for you to not play touchscreen?

summer spire Apr 18, 2024, 12:02 AM

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just got 100% hyper delivery right before lernie. We got a run boys

broken echo Apr 18, 2024, 12:02 AM

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Gaming

summer spire Apr 18, 2024, 12:04 AM

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...proceeded to die to lernie because i had low hp.

broken echo Apr 18, 2024, 12:05 AM

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Lernie tax

leaden thicket Apr 18, 2024, 2:51 AM

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It's weird yeah

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I didn't notice how bad I was at Lernie at first because you lose a lot of your health to lava which isn't as clear

broken echo Apr 18, 2024, 3:56 AM

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heightened security moment

summer spire Apr 18, 2024, 4:02 AM

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made it to styx

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running dio call and got purple greater evasion + purple second wind for 56% total dodge

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if I can get smair I really might be able to beat this

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got a zeus and aphro chamber too

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I GOT IT

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dad time, got 3 minutes left, only thing that scares me is i have 109/247 without styx dark but I got a ton of defense and the acorn

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VICTORY

left prism Apr 18, 2024, 4:12 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-bocchi-the-rock-bocchi-the-rock-gif-clap-clapping-gif-27209950

Tenor

edgy ermine Apr 18, 2024, 5:03 AM

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broken echo Is it at all possible for you to not play touchscreen?

of course, but where's the challenge?

broken echo Apr 18, 2024, 5:26 AM

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summer spire VICTORY

ayy good job

summer spire Apr 18, 2024, 5:42 AM

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broken echo ayy good job

Ty!

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Once I turned js down to 20% and put ap1 on most of my runs started going noticeably farther

wispy blade Apr 18, 2024, 5:44 AM

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what heat is this

shy plinth Apr 18, 2024, 5:45 AM

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47 I think

ancient coral Apr 18, 2024, 10:24 AM

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summer spire running dio call and got purple greater evasion + purple second wind for 56% tot...

https://tenor.com/view/mui-gif-24779064

Tenor

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theres gotta be a mod out there that plays the ultra instinct sound when you dodge in hades

summer spire Apr 18, 2024, 1:27 PM

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Yeah dodging is something I never realized could be so good

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Since that was td3, if I would've run lambent plume, would most chambers give me the extra % or no?

left prism Apr 18, 2024, 1:45 PM

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Prob not

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Also you are left without acorn

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And you'll get a really low bonus if you swap to it in ely

summer spire Apr 18, 2024, 2:20 PM

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Yeah I love acorn so much

broken echo Apr 18, 2024, 2:20 PM

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summer spire Yeah dodging is something I never realized could be so good

Consider RR over GR btw

summer spire Apr 18, 2024, 2:20 PM

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Rr/gr?

broken echo Apr 18, 2024, 2:20 PM

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The mirror talent

summer spire Apr 18, 2024, 2:20 PM

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Oh yeah I've tried it before and I always prefer that extra dash

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Even on gilga

broken echo Apr 18, 2024, 2:21 PM

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Oh fair enough

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Zeus doesn’t really need it and 50% dodge chance with >75% uptime is pretty huge

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Also preps you for ri3 if that’s on your docket

summer spire Apr 18, 2024, 2:22 PM

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I lose stubborn defiance with ri3 correct?

broken echo Apr 18, 2024, 2:22 PM

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No

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You lose the dash and casts

summer spire Apr 18, 2024, 2:23 PM

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Whats the 3rd mirror talent I lose?

left prism Apr 18, 2024, 2:24 PM

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Boiling blood I think

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So both cast skills

broken echo Apr 18, 2024, 2:28 PM

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Boiling blood, soul, and the dash

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So if you want to eventually go for ri3, it’s good to get used to monodash now

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And it’s really not that bad imo. At this point I’m so used to it that I would sell dashes

summer spire Apr 18, 2024, 2:40 PM

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Yeah I've got really used to quickly blocking stuff as opposed to dashing (especially for stuff like the Boulder miniboss Shockwave)

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Is ri3 2 or 3 heat?

broken echo Apr 18, 2024, 2:43 PM

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2

summer spire Apr 18, 2024, 2:45 PM

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Sweet, so I could turn that on, maybe up jury summons by 1 for 50

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Or heightened security as long as I can get sure footing

broken echo Apr 18, 2024, 2:49 PM

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Yeah

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Or you bite the AP2 bullet for 3

summer spire Apr 18, 2024, 2:57 PM

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Ap2 scares the daylights out of me

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Though zeus shield really only needs special and jolted for most dps

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I lost a ton of ap1 runs because jolted is so much harder to get without that and the bottom mirror ones

broken echo Apr 18, 2024, 2:58 PM

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Yeah…

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It sucks but it’s a lot of heat

summer spire Apr 18, 2024, 4:44 PM

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Yeah no matter what I do it'll suck

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So with 58 seconds left on my 47 clear, I'm guessing I likely would've failed if even 1 more point in js?

forest token Apr 18, 2024, 4:54 PM

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i mean maybe but you also have a large hp pool to cover for overtime

summer spire Apr 18, 2024, 4:54 PM

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Actually that doesn't matter as much bc a large part of overall speed is luck on when the biggest dps increases come in

left prism Apr 18, 2024, 4:55 PM

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Can also just get the rooms

summer spire Apr 18, 2024, 4:55 PM

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Like I didn't get dio call until mid elysium

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Getting smoldering air was lucky in its own, sold purple aph call before elysium, then got crush shot after that, dio call in elysium, got smoldering in styx

broken echo Apr 18, 2024, 4:57 PM

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Pretty real

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Ely room skips can literally mean 1:30-2 min extra for the run so a lot of it comes down to rng there

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I’ve entered heroes with 1:30 and 4:30 remaining on the same savestate

summer spire Apr 18, 2024, 5:08 PM

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Do you mean because of the number of soldier dudes with the split stuff / other stally conditions?

broken echo Apr 18, 2024, 5:08 PM

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Yeah

summer spire Apr 18, 2024, 5:09 PM

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Actually yeah I took an aph/zeus titans room later on instead of shop with like 2 minutes left

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Or maybe 3 minutes

broken echo Apr 18, 2024, 5:09 PM

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Always take skips in ely

summer spire Apr 18, 2024, 5:09 PM

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Beat heroes with about 2 seconds on the clock

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I went for the risky play

broken echo Apr 18, 2024, 5:09 PM

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Real

summer spire Apr 18, 2024, 5:09 PM

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Might not have got smoldering if not for it

broken echo Apr 18, 2024, 5:09 PM

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What boons did you need

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Oh crush shot huh

summer spire Apr 18, 2024, 5:10 PM

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Indeed

broken echo Apr 18, 2024, 5:10 PM

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Well, dio call is one of the only ones that doesn’t really need smair

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Since it charges itself

summer spire Apr 18, 2024, 5:10 PM

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Actually I think it was aph/Athena instead but same point

summer spire Apr 18, 2024, 5:18 PM

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broken echo Since it charges itself

Never knew that, but smair still makes everything so much better

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What exactly are the rules for how God calls charge?

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(Without additional boons like quick favor smair cj etc)

left prism Apr 18, 2024, 5:26 PM

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summer spire What exactly are the rules for how God calls charge?

Number hits/dmg number/taking dmg (depends on % of max hp)

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Dmg numbers fall off super hard

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So like ten 10 dmg hits will give more charge than a 100 dmg hit

wispy blade Apr 18, 2024, 5:27 PM

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Call Charge

Aside from boons like Quick Favor and Smoldering Air, your Call charges every time you receive or deal damage, with the following formulae:

Dealing Damage

The value your Call gauge is charged when you deal damage follows these steps per instance of damage on an enemy by Zagreus:

Is damage dealt ≤ 60? If so, carry damage value forward. Otherwise, value = 60 + sqrt(damage - 60)
The value from step 1 is multiplied by 1%, and then by 1 + Clouded Judgment bonus, if you have it. The final value is the % of the call gauge charged. This scales with the square root function, as such for example damage (no Clouded Judgment):

10 damage - 0.1% gauge
50 damage - 0.5% gauge
100 damage - 0.66% gauge
300 damage - 0.75% gauge
500 damage - 0.81% gauge
750 damage - 0.86% gauge
2000 damage - 1.04% gauge

So you can see how sharply the call charge falls off with damage past 100 per hit.

Taking Damage

The base value your Call gauge is charged when you get hit is 60% * (Damage Taken / Max HP). If you had 100 HP, and you took a 100 HP hit, your call would gain 60% charge. Overkill damage counts in this case. If you had 1 HP, and took a 100 HP hit, your call would still gain 60% charge. This value is then multiplied additionally by Clouded Judgment and Boiling Point bonuses, if you have those boons. They are additive, so if you had a 40% boiling point and a 10% clouded judgment, that is a 50% multiplier, so the 100 HP hit with 100 max HP would charge your call gauge 90% from that hit.

Additional Notes

Call charge will not take place while the call is active. You can tell the call is "active" because the bar is still draining.
Hunter's Instinct is a flat call charge per crit, as it says on the tin. There appears to be a 0.5second cooldown on its activation, however.

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thanks cgull

left prism Apr 18, 2024, 5:27 PM

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Oh banger

broken echo Apr 18, 2024, 5:30 PM

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summer spire What exactly are the rules for how God calls charge?

Relevant here is that hangover will continue to deal damage after the call has finished applying so it self charges

summer spire Apr 18, 2024, 5:49 PM

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Are there numbers on which calls charge faster than the others? Feels like athena/aphro/art are especially faster than the others

wispy blade Apr 18, 2024, 5:49 PM

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that is not true

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the difference is some calls have 5 bars and some have 4

broken echo Apr 18, 2024, 5:50 PM

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The bar itself should be the same

summer spire Apr 18, 2024, 5:51 PM

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Which ones have 4?

forest token Apr 18, 2024, 5:52 PM

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i think most have 4? i do know some have 4 and some have 5 tho

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i know artemis has 5

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zeus has 4

wispy blade Apr 18, 2024, 5:55 PM

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the ones i would actually take have 4

left prism Apr 18, 2024, 5:55 PM

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Artemis/dad are the only with different amount of bar

summer spire Apr 18, 2024, 6:04 PM

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How would yall rank the god calls overall?

grim knot Apr 18, 2024, 6:05 PM

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zeus/dio best, also dad is useful

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athena ok

wispy blade Apr 18, 2024, 6:05 PM

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dio sometimes/dad call sometimes > zeus > dad call other times > dio > the rest of them

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at heat u can get like pos or athena but thats cursed

grim knot Apr 18, 2024, 6:06 PM

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yeah the others aren't really worth using

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some people like pos call but i hate it

broken echo Apr 18, 2024, 6:06 PM

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Athena not cursed at heat

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Poseidon mega cursed though

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Meta for zagspear I guess

grim knot Apr 18, 2024, 6:07 PM

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i think its also good for gy

summer spire Apr 18, 2024, 6:20 PM

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grim knot some people like pos call but i hate it

He's great with smair+the one that increases length of the call

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I had that on my 32 gilga clear last week

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Build was beyond broken

grim knot Apr 18, 2024, 6:21 PM

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Pos call is risky, died too many times before when it ends suddenly

summer spire Apr 18, 2024, 6:21 PM

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#h1-victory-boasting message

Probably not very replicatable at high heat, but this one was fun

forest token Apr 18, 2024, 6:36 PM

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Athena and pos for heat aren't cursed they both are pretty good for survivability

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Pos has good movement that can clear pots too

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Decent burst damage too

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Actually it's pretty high considering a lot of factors lmao

summer spire Apr 18, 2024, 6:41 PM

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Yeah if not zeus/dio, gimme an invincibility call

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Except ares

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May as well change his animation to a garbage can lid that spins around instead

forest token Apr 18, 2024, 6:43 PM

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Guan Yu 60 forced ares into Ely for call for iframes lmao

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Ended up being pos vs ares door and they got pos call tho

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Was pretty funny

summer spire Apr 18, 2024, 7:50 PM

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You did guan yu 60?

forest token Apr 18, 2024, 7:51 PM

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No but aether did

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He proved that guan Yu was good for heat lmao

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Spin guan Yu to be specific

ashen garnet Apr 18, 2024, 9:16 PM

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broken echo Poseidon mega cursed though

AP2 sunken treasure multiple times bouldy

broken echo Apr 18, 2024, 9:19 PM

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Talking about call but yeah

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Mood

ashen garnet Apr 18, 2024, 10:07 PM

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Oh yeah call too, and the whole knockback package makes you whiff a lot on melee

summer spire Apr 19, 2024, 1:11 AM

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Huge catch builds 💯

distant wind Apr 19, 2024, 8:14 PM

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ive been taking evergreen acorn into styx for 48 heat attempts with em4, should i consider skull earring instead?

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i have 300 health currently, stubborn def and stubborn roots

left prism Apr 19, 2024, 8:15 PM

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if you are really missing out on time

distant wind Apr 19, 2024, 8:15 PM

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its less time, more just getting through phase 1 faster

left prism Apr 19, 2024, 8:15 PM

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acorn is always good, tho you can be bullied of your charges by B.balls/sneak

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I've seen people take tooth/spearpoint otherwise

distant wind Apr 19, 2024, 8:15 PM

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yea that happene the last two times

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oh yea stubborn activates before tooth right

left prism Apr 19, 2024, 8:19 PM

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yeah

summer spire Apr 19, 2024, 9:57 PM

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Is dio call bad on builds that otherwise use hangover damage?

left prism Apr 19, 2024, 10:02 PM

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Yeah don't mix up hangover sources

summer spire Apr 20, 2024, 7:59 PM

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Does the higher damage hangover source always override the other? Or whichever hits last?

left prism Apr 20, 2024, 8:00 PM

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summer spire Does the higher damage hangover source always override the other? Or whichever h...

the latter

summer spire Apr 22, 2024, 11:04 PM

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on hera, is jury summons or cp preferred? Aiming for 42-45ish heat

quiet acorn Apr 22, 2024, 11:04 PM

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almost always js over cp

summer spire Apr 22, 2024, 11:05 PM

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ty

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I figured but wasn't sure on hera specifically

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+37% cast damage chaos boon (lost health each cast) or +73 hp (slothful)?

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on hera

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I'm actually thinking heart is the safe play here

remote oriole Apr 22, 2024, 11:16 PM

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summer spire +37% cast damage chaos boon (lost health each cast) or +73 hp (slothful)?

Hp

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The plus 37% ain’t worth it for each hit

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Slothful can be played at range imo with casts

summer spire Apr 22, 2024, 11:16 PM

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yeah that's what I took thanks

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already got 2 casts too with stygian trippy hera

left prism Apr 22, 2024, 11:16 PM

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Oh

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Was about to suggest cast dmg cuz breakpoints get annoying at high heat and casts get stuck

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But nvm ig lmao

summer spire Apr 22, 2024, 11:18 PM

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just got greatest reflex + 1 so I will very easily live now

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and another light of ixion lol

remote oriole Apr 22, 2024, 11:19 PM

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We will make it out alive

summer spire Apr 22, 2024, 11:19 PM

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except my choices are (asphodel) poseidon / athena / shop, p/a are miniboss, not enough money for shop

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I think if I take miniboss I won't end up with enough hp for chaos so I guess shop?

remote oriole Apr 22, 2024, 11:19 PM

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Shop

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Gives your brain a quick break imo

summer spire Apr 22, 2024, 11:20 PM

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yeah plus extra time is never ever a bad thing lol

left prism Apr 22, 2024, 11:20 PM

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Yeah time save for ely is nice

remote oriole Apr 22, 2024, 11:20 PM

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Witches must be dreadful in high heat runs

left prism Apr 22, 2024, 11:20 PM

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The curse was gone already right

remote oriole Apr 22, 2024, 11:20 PM

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Witches circle

summer spire Apr 22, 2024, 11:20 PM

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and my only choice is posidon miniboss afterwards lol

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at least I could defiance for 10 more hp

left prism Apr 22, 2024, 11:20 PM

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remote oriole Witches must be dreadful in high heat runs

Unless you have damage control nah

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You can just use the meg setup

summer spire Apr 22, 2024, 11:21 PM

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hera so no dc

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yeah i got circle

remote oriole Apr 22, 2024, 11:21 PM

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left prism You can just use the meg setup

I always use Meg to kill those bastards

summer spire Apr 22, 2024, 11:21 PM

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I gotta look up how to meg the whole room

left prism Apr 22, 2024, 11:22 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-PCf_N5lgI&t=427s

YouTube

Wmic

Hades Speedrun - 5m33s Eris (Modded)

Hades Speedrunning Leaderboards: https://www.speedrun.com/hades
Official Hades Speedrunning Discord: https://discord.gg/zN7cc8Z
Modded Runs are done under the Hades Speedrunning Modpack which can be found under Resources at https://www.speedrun.com/hades

▶ Play video

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Timestamped

summer spire Apr 22, 2024, 11:24 PM

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Sweet! it worked and I hit at least 3/4 of them

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other was off screen so idk if it hit or not

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got tidal dash, mirage shot is now in the pool

forest token Apr 23, 2024, 12:36 PM

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summer spire other was off screen so idk if it hit or not

Wait for the last one to show up on screen, then hit meg

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Should guarantee hit all of them

summer spire Apr 24, 2024, 1:26 AM

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is it possible to completely avoid the miniboss in asphodel?

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if I survive asphodel I'll permanently have 5 bloodstones (stygian / hera)

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but I got the extra magma damage chaos thing

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ok here's an interesting choice for hermes: rush delivery 75 (got +20% move speed earlier) or auto reload (2.75)

barren pilot Apr 24, 2024, 2:04 AM

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rush delivery

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esp if you ever get hyper sprint

summer spire Apr 24, 2024, 2:05 AM

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My run cleared, should've played the lottery tonight

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even got offered blackout in that run too but it was crossed out

forest token Apr 24, 2024, 4:13 AM

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summer spire is it possible to completely avoid the miniboss in asphodel?

yeah but it's pretty difficult since they tend to be forced

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generally speaking, it's like 1 miniboss + midshop, 3 miniboss, or 2 miniboss + midshop for exits

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missing midshop is more probable than missing miniboss by a pretty large margin

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you can skip midboss through chaos probably

forest token Apr 24, 2024, 4:15 AM

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summer spire ok here's an interesting choice for hermes: rush delivery 75 (got +20% move spee...

auto reload, rd isn't really doing a whole lot with 20%

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yeah you can scale with ichors and hourglass, but you'd have to forego a defensive keepsake and rng into ichors, which doesn't happen too often

gaunt loom Apr 24, 2024, 6:56 PM

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left prism https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-PCf_N5lgI&t=427s

I love how this person left gemstones behind in asphodel but they went out of their way to check on the zagreus fan in the elysium stadium

wispy blade Apr 24, 2024, 6:56 PM

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most people do

gaunt loom Apr 24, 2024, 7:01 PM

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As they should

quiet acorn Apr 24, 2024, 7:10 PM

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gaunt loom I love how this person left gemstones behind in asphodel but they went out of th...

the timer doesnt run then

left prism Apr 25, 2024, 3:16 AM

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@leaden bolt #h1-high-heat-strategies message

leaden bolt Apr 25, 2024, 3:16 AM

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oh lol

left prism Apr 25, 2024, 3:16 AM

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we have a whole 32 heat guide

leaden bolt Apr 25, 2024, 3:17 AM

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gotta learn how to read\

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my bad

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thank you though

left prism Apr 25, 2024, 3:17 AM

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is pinned here if you need it again anyways

plush flax Apr 25, 2024, 2:28 PM

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i have a question
how do i do gilgamesh (50 heat all aspects)
i haven’t started cause i’m not at home but i feel like i’m going to struggle with that one, i know general strategies because i’ve already done 50+ on like. the good aspects (hestia beo zeus) but gilgamesh seems so terrible

forest token Apr 25, 2024, 3:05 PM

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It's prob like ap0 ri0 em4 ME or lightning strike for builds

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After that I got no clue how to use Gilga lmao

plush flax Apr 25, 2024, 3:11 PM

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oh guan yu without charged skewer sounds bad too

forest token Apr 25, 2024, 3:14 PM

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It's good with quick spin and Athena attack

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But you prob need to learn the animation cancel tech thing for it to be good

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I've never really tried it but it has beat 64 heat modded so it's def doable lmao

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But yeah without proper hammers it's kinda bad

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Idk how it is without quick spin tho

plush flax Apr 25, 2024, 3:16 PM

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forest token I've never really tried it but it has beat 64 heat modded so it's def doable lma...

yeah idk i go ap2 usually on 50 but might have to change that for more hammer reliant stuff

forest token Apr 25, 2024, 3:17 PM

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Probably

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Or hard reset for it lmfao

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Or use speedrunning modpack

plush flax Apr 25, 2024, 3:18 PM

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forest token Or use speedrunning modpack

yeah i have it but i don’t like to do it for hammers

forest token Apr 25, 2024, 3:19 PM

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Might wanna do it for hammers then lmao

plush flax Apr 25, 2024, 3:21 PM

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maybe

broken echo Apr 25, 2024, 3:32 PM

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forest token Idk how it is without quick spin tho

It’s slow and hard ngl

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Better player could do it

ashen garnet Apr 26, 2024, 9:22 AM

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plush flax i have a question how do i do gilgamesh (50 heat all aspects) i haven’t started...

Could also take advantage of the dashes to make a build around it or even it's high base damage to build atk and special %-based. The really difficult thing which throws off on gilga are shorter (time and distance-wise) dashes: advising to have Athena or Aphrodite in the build for survivability dusa

left prism Apr 27, 2024, 12:17 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1233572622067961896/image.png?ex=662d9587&is=662c4407&hm=4da3418333a8b208848670ab4747d1ca264637a5869a7237835bca18b9ff2d57&

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do I just athena

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well sucks

broken echo Apr 27, 2024, 12:19 AM

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Yeah

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Or tooth

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But you have ap1 so not terrible chance of sure footing

left prism Apr 27, 2024, 12:22 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1233573810616139876/image.png?ex=662d96a3&is=662c4523&hm=8c1e92030aa5f1f2c1d7bfbe65bbcfb6d089cb20982174355e7ceee9d31ae440&

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free

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lmao I got stubborn roots

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needed UC fodder anyways

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got it again lmao

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and dd got ap'd

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this weapon is so free is actually unreal

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1233577222556745768/image.png?ex=662d99d0&is=662c4850&hm=810506dfad164ce8eec988b1ef4d5bd90bd30e045dccbcceda8532b73d23eda1&

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money

left prism Apr 27, 2024, 1:15 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1233587189833662555/image.png?ex=662da318&is=662c5198&hm=b67ac90b7cf49ffc2f68be584f1ce906c68af5cab16640992b999564866e4fda&

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curse was bad idea

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the falling rocks did exactly 24 bouldy

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pact is also bad idea but em4 is funny

plush flax Apr 27, 2024, 5:12 AM

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tidal dash -> divine dash unavoidable swap

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roll

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same choice

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take divine dash

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get dio boon

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drunken dash swap

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no rolls left

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i am not having fun

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i also haven't gotten a single non common boon 😭

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https://imgur.com/a/9rlW8np like we cannot be serious

Imgur

Untitled Album

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the two gods ive forced are not even in my boons

quiet acorn Apr 27, 2024, 5:19 AM

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is this modded

plush flax Apr 27, 2024, 5:20 AM

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just first boon yeah

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so i don't end up having to restart 30 runs to get the right core

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wait i think i have sac limited to 3 as well

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ah i died

quiet acorn Apr 27, 2024, 5:34 AM

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why 3 and not 2

plush flax Apr 27, 2024, 12:25 PM

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quiet acorn why 3 and not 2

because 3 still feels fair, im not necessarily trying to optimize just to avoid stuff that feels "unfair"

summer spire Apr 27, 2024, 1:27 PM

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after beating 47 heat about 8 or so days ago on zeus shield, I'm gonna start pushing for 50 now. With zeus, is AP2 preferable over RI3? Or should I do ri3 instead?

cursive portal Apr 27, 2024, 2:32 PM

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summer spire after beating 47 heat about 8 or so days ago on zeus shield, I'm gonna start pus...

What's your full pact?

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Ri3 is less rough than ap2 but like both of those seem really extreme for a 50

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How comfortable are you with superdad?

broken echo Apr 27, 2024, 2:51 PM

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summer spire after beating 47 heat about 8 or so days ago on zeus shield, I'm gonna start pus...

Why are you forced into ri3?

summer spire Apr 27, 2024, 2:52 PM

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I'm not, just wondering which pact I should add to go from what I cleared 47 on to 50

broken echo Apr 27, 2024, 2:54 PM

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Oh got it

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Haha I see why

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I would add a point into js, cp, and personal liability (hell mode)

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At this point if you don’t want AP2, you should start working on room clear efficiency

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And personal liability is good practice to put on fairly early so there’s no dependence

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That being said ri3 isn’t bad

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AP2 you’d just be resetting for jolted in end of aspho/early ely is all

summer spire Apr 27, 2024, 3:13 PM

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yeah I just lost a run in elysium because of time so I turned off jury summons, running ri3 and ap2

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somehow got jolted in tartarus after a reroll

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sold flurry cast, then get offered flurry again in asphodel

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hermes hates me now

cursive portal Apr 27, 2024, 3:38 PM

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ri3 ap2 50 is cray

broken echo Apr 27, 2024, 4:05 PM

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cursive portal ri3 ap2 50 is cray

It’s on the list

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Just get the boons moment

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Also no RR is rough on dps

summer spire Apr 27, 2024, 5:00 PM

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RR?

quiet acorn Apr 27, 2024, 5:01 PM

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ruthless reflex

summer spire Apr 27, 2024, 5:02 PM

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oh, I always just used the extra dash instead

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but yeah zeus for me is so rough sometimes dealing enough dps quickly

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so far on 50+ heat I've made it to champions twice but both times I was already out of time prior to getting to them

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including 5 minutes ago, I only got jolted in the chamber before them (2nd time I got zeus all run)

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but that was after going back to AP1 and JS2

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AP2 is so rough unless I can get jolted early

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how recommended would it be to run the +damage when low health keepsake some more? I migth need to do a fwe dummy runs to level it up to max

plush flax Apr 27, 2024, 5:57 PM

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summer spire how recommended would it be to run the +damage when low health keepsake some mor...

yeah that keepsake sucks so you're fine

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im gonna go find my zeus run from a couple years ago

plush flax Apr 27, 2024, 5:58 PM

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plush flax im gonna go find my zeus run from a couple years ago

*runs

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uh

quiet acorn Apr 27, 2024, 5:59 PM

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summer spire how recommended would it be to run the +damage when low health keepsake some mor...

its good

plush flax Apr 27, 2024, 5:59 PM

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i mean not for 50+ heat though

quiet acorn Apr 27, 2024, 5:59 PM

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its used to save time

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+40% is huge

hardy garden Apr 27, 2024, 6:00 PM

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50+ heat is its main use case

plush flax Apr 27, 2024, 6:00 PM

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idk ive never seen anyone use it

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always seemed bad to me but if its good its good ive been out of the loop for a while

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anyways yeah apparently its good so use it if you need

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mm now i feel stupid

broken echo Apr 27, 2024, 6:19 PM

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plush flax idk ive never seen anyone use it

It’s good when you have multiple sources of damage and don’t get hit

broken echo Apr 27, 2024, 6:20 PM

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summer spire but yeah zeus for me is so rough sometimes dealing enough dps quickly

There’s not many cases where the second dash will absolutely save you since you have a shield

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And 50% dodge is huge

summer spire Apr 27, 2024, 7:45 PM

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I've always been so used to the +1 dash though

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and always ran it without really thinking about it

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but I'm doing ri3 now so getting used to monodash anyways

forest token Apr 27, 2024, 9:12 PM

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plush flax yeah that keepsake sucks so you're fine

skull earring is good if you need more damage and your damage source is flat

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it hinges more on your mechanical ability of not getting hit tho in dad fight since you wont have acorn anymore

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iirc bai took it for his 64 run into dad fight and went flawless or 1 hit (not from dad iirc) in it

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you basically have 100% uptime on 40% more damage without patty, so it's a pretty solid keepsake if you need to make time

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like if you have a good build but bad pace bc of bad rooms, earring would be really solid to try and get back some time

plush flax Apr 27, 2024, 9:31 PM

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mm i got it

broken echo Apr 27, 2024, 11:34 PM

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If you’re dying to timer on non earring pace, you might as well

summer spire Apr 28, 2024, 2:11 AM

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I legitimately think I might be better at arthur than even zeus. Consistently making it so much farther with arthur

plush flax Apr 28, 2024, 12:13 PM

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uh

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i have epic aphro attack epic arty special and epic tdash what am i supposed to be selling 💀

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its probably tdash and take athena keepsake but damn

quiet acorn Apr 28, 2024, 12:14 PM

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for what hestia

plush flax Apr 28, 2024, 12:14 PM

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yeah

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ap2 ive been very lucky i just dont have anything to sell

quiet acorn Apr 28, 2024, 12:14 PM

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personally id sell special but thats becuase i never use special with hestia

plush flax Apr 28, 2024, 12:15 PM

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i have hazard bomb

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otherwise i would sell special

quiet acorn Apr 28, 2024, 12:15 PM

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can sell dash and hope for hunter dash

plush flax Apr 28, 2024, 12:15 PM

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i was just gonna go for divine

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dont really need it but its nice

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ok i died to a room with 6 dc shields

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thats a little unfortunate

somber kraken Apr 28, 2024, 12:28 PM

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DC on Hestia sucks

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what heat is this?

quiet acorn Apr 28, 2024, 12:59 PM

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I assume 50

left prism Apr 28, 2024, 1:14 PM

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6 dc shields is prob bp2 lol

plush flax Apr 28, 2024, 3:11 PM

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yeah im talking about bp

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i do not hate myself enough to go dc on hestia

left prism Apr 28, 2024, 9:24 PM

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@storm glacier important part is 2 sack guaranteed/no bull-tiny-barge minibosses

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guaranteed first hammer/all 4 cores are offered

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is a speedrun modpack first fwiw

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so there are also stuff that can make you go ? like the fountains visual indicator

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you can swap these stuff if you want

storm glacier Apr 28, 2024, 9:26 PM

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does using stuff like this still make youre run "legit" though or dooes it change too much?

left prism Apr 28, 2024, 9:26 PM

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there's a different leaderboard for modded runs

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but also for personal use? your call

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I like it cuz at some point you can get tired of losing coin flips at styx for example

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or spending a while resetting for like hammers

left prism Apr 28, 2024, 9:28 PM

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left prism guaranteed first hammer/all 4 cores are offered

for high heat stuff there's also first boon not affected by AP

storm glacier Apr 28, 2024, 9:28 PM

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left prism or spending a while resetting for like hammers

how does this woork btw? Doesn't the giving up thing just give you the same seed again?

left prism Apr 28, 2024, 9:28 PM

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and the ability to swap to hell mode on command

left prism Apr 28, 2024, 9:28 PM

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storm glacier how does this woork btw? Doesn't the giving up thing just give you the same seed...

yeah, you need to die to reset the seed

storm glacier Apr 28, 2024, 9:28 PM

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left prism yeah, you need to die to reset the seed

ah alright alright

left prism Apr 28, 2024, 9:29 PM

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so that makes it standing still for the enemy to kill you then doing the travel through the house each time

storm glacier Apr 28, 2024, 9:29 PM

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Yeahh, to be honest, I'm gonna try 40 heat just without mods and hope I can do it, if it becomes too bad I'll switch maybe, I'll see! I've only been trying for like 7 or so hours so far so it's still okay! :)

storm glacier Apr 28, 2024, 9:30 PM

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left prism so that makes it standing still for the enemy to kill you then doing the travel ...

ahhh okay okay, never done this, but handy to know, thanks!

left prism Apr 28, 2024, 9:30 PM

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no yeah 40 is fine unmodded

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what's your pact/weapon?

storm glacier Apr 28, 2024, 9:31 PM

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I'm not following any guides/tactics so idk the pact from the top of my head but I'm using bow, aspect of Chiron

left prism Apr 28, 2024, 9:31 PM

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~~ouch~~

storm glacier Apr 28, 2024, 9:32 PM

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LOL

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Is aspect of Chiron not seen as good for high heat?😭

left prism Apr 28, 2024, 9:32 PM

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is a comfy weapon for new players in general but yeah

forest token Apr 28, 2024, 9:33 PM

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storm glacier Yeahh, to be honest, I'm gonna try 40 heat just without mods and hope I can do i...

yeah generally speaking, the mod isn't like needed until past 50 (mainly whenever you take ap2)

left prism Apr 28, 2024, 9:33 PM

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it does fall off a cliff when you start to climb

forest token Apr 28, 2024, 9:33 PM

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storm glacier Is aspect of Chiron not seen as good for high heat?😭

also generally speaking, chiron isn't good for anything other than casual clears lmao

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it's very beginner friendly but you can still def do 40 with it

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compared to most other aspects, it'll be more difficult tho

left prism Apr 28, 2024, 9:34 PM

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def should check your pact if you are gonna do chiron

storm glacier Apr 28, 2024, 9:35 PM

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Lemme go in game and take a screenshot real quick, one sec! :D

storm glacier Apr 28, 2024, 9:35 PM

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forest token compared to most other aspects, it'll be more difficult tho

ah damn, woops😭

forest token Apr 28, 2024, 9:36 PM

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lmao it's fine

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just win tbh

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easy

storm glacier Apr 28, 2024, 9:36 PM

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storm glacier Lemme go in game and take a screenshot real quick, one sec! :D

nvm, I can't send screenshots, it's okay!

left prism Apr 28, 2024, 9:36 PM

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use embeds

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send to another discord then copy the img link or use smth like imgur

storm glacier Apr 28, 2024, 9:38 PM

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Ah crap, well I just turned off my pc, so I'll have to do it another time, sorry!

summer spire Apr 29, 2024, 12:55 AM

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50 heat w/ arthur, going into champions, actually got 3 min left on the clock this time too.

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ugh I skill issued hard

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minotaur is tricky with arthur and otherwise I'm so used to zeus which is like the most polar opposite playstyle

broken echo Apr 29, 2024, 12:58 AM

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Happens to the best of us

summer spire Apr 29, 2024, 1:15 AM

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went back to zeus now. I'm trying completely dropping JS in favor of EM4

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dropping that in favor of ap2 and something else like HS or JS1 might be better anyways

summer spire Apr 29, 2024, 1:39 AM

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made it to champs with 2 min left, so there's that at least

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made it to styx, unless i get cold fusion I don't think I stand a chance

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2:46 for dad

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only decent thing i got was another pom for jolted (lv 3 heroic) and purple lightning reflexes to pair with quadruple dash

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he got me with like 99% hp remaining in phase 2 lol

summer spire Apr 29, 2024, 2:16 AM

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okay, so i removed em4, put on ap2 and js1, ri2, rr

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somehow made it out of tartarus with blue special, purple jolted, purple double strike

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sold dionysus

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what keepsake now?

summer spire Apr 29, 2024, 2:34 AM

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made it styx with 53 seconds left, new best so far with zeus

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and this is em3

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LOL

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demeter tunnel

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rare crop comes up

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reroll (last one)

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rare crop again

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lucked out, it hit dio call which was common to begin with

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cleard

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IT'S FINALLY OVER

quiet acorn Apr 29, 2024, 4:28 AM

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i need to get back to all aspects 50

summer spire Apr 29, 2024, 4:33 AM

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I think I need like 5 or 6 more to get 32 with all aspects

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that is, if I'm not done / taking a break with this game now

meager ravine Apr 29, 2024, 4:55 AM

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Heat 32, Attempt #10: Eris Rail with Thunder Signet.

Mirror: Shadow Presence, Cthonic Vitality, Stubborn Defiance, Greater Reflex, Boiling Blood, Stygian Soul, Deep Pockets, Thick Skin, Family Favorite, Dark Foresight, Gods’ Pride, and Fated Persuasion.

Pact Conditions:
Hard Labor 2, Lasting Consequences 2, Convenience Fee MAX, Extreme Measures 3, Benefits MAX, MM MAX, Customs MAX, Overtime MAX, Damage Control MAX, Deadline 2

bleak grotto Apr 29, 2024, 4:56 AM

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Oh dear that's a rough set of pacts

meager ravine Apr 29, 2024, 4:56 AM

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I’m shuffling stuff around. Was taking 0 points in DC and instead taking a point in Approval Process but it burned through my dice too quickly.

quiet acorn Apr 29, 2024, 4:57 AM

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dont take approval process yeah

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wdym overtime max

meager ravine Apr 29, 2024, 4:57 AM

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Also was taking Deadline 3 and running into time issues so I bumped it down to 2

quiet acorn Apr 29, 2024, 4:57 AM

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oh fo

meager ravine Apr 29, 2024, 4:57 AM

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40% yeah

bleak grotto Apr 29, 2024, 4:57 AM

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I'd rather TD3 than BP2

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Damage Control is also really rough

quiet acorn Apr 29, 2024, 4:58 AM

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well what are you dying to

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damage control is not rough

meager ravine Apr 29, 2024, 4:58 AM

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Yeah I had never used BP2 before and the Louts were RIDICULOUS

meager ravine Apr 29, 2024, 4:59 AM

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quiet acorn well what are you dying to

Either bosses 1-3 or Tight Deadline, often a mix, but sometimes I went too fast. Like my most recent run was almost sub-7 when I died to Lernie right before killing him.

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My best run was my only time making it through Elysium and first time encountering EM3

quiet acorn Apr 29, 2024, 5:00 AM

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if you are using stubborn defiance

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max lasting consequences, and remove hl

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should be better i think

meager ravine Apr 29, 2024, 5:01 AM

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I only recently swapped to that… my first 8 runs were using DD

meager ravine Apr 29, 2024, 5:01 AM

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quiet acorn max lasting consequences, and remove hl

Oh duh, I forgot to do that

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How can I drop BP2?

bleak grotto Apr 29, 2024, 5:02 AM

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quiet acorn damage control is not rough

How now

meager ravine Apr 29, 2024, 5:02 AM

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It’s kind of a time and health waster

quiet acorn Apr 29, 2024, 5:02 AM

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meager ravine How can I drop BP2?

if you arent dying to rooms then it should be fine

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you have health to waste with stubborn defiance

meager ravine Apr 29, 2024, 5:03 AM

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quiet acorn if you arent dying to rooms then it should be fine

Yeah but if even the louts are rough in Tartarus I’d rather get through chambers with more health

meager ravine Apr 29, 2024, 5:03 AM

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quiet acorn you have health to waste with stubborn defiance

That’s true

forest token Apr 29, 2024, 5:03 AM

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bp2 is fine for the most part

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some combos are cringe but more often than not it's fine

forest token Apr 29, 2024, 5:03 AM

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bleak grotto How now

it's eris

bleak grotto Apr 29, 2024, 5:04 AM

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Oh, right right

forest token Apr 29, 2024, 5:04 AM

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you'll miss out on the special fiery presence but that's mainly a thing if you have rocket bomb

meager ravine Apr 29, 2024, 5:04 AM

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Ok so HL1, DC1, BP2, with LC maxed because I have SD

forest token Apr 29, 2024, 5:04 AM

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which tbf is the best eris hammer but you can't really guarantee that every run

forest token Apr 29, 2024, 5:04 AM

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meager ravine Ok so HL1, DC1, BP2, with LC maxed because I have SD

might as well do dc2

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there's very few reasons to take dc1 over dc2

meager ravine Apr 29, 2024, 5:04 AM

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That’s true

quiet acorn Apr 29, 2024, 5:05 AM

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forest token which tbf is the best eris hammer but you can't really guarantee that every run

delta 💪

meager ravine Apr 29, 2024, 5:05 AM

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DC is particularly annoying for Eris because if I’m playing correctly, I’m hitting them with a big special as they spawn to keep uptime on my buff. With DC, I’ll have to basically ignore all special damage.

forest token Apr 29, 2024, 5:05 AM

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oh true delta i forgot about that

forest token Apr 29, 2024, 5:06 AM

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meager ravine DC is particularly annoying for Eris because if I’m playing correctly, I’m hitti...

if that's the case then take off dc2 lmao

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the standard fo2 pact in my guide with cf2 hl2 instead of td3 would work

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cf2 kinda cringe

bleak grotto Apr 29, 2024, 5:06 AM

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Ah ha! Dark horse Packrat back in the running

hardy garden Apr 29, 2024, 5:06 AM

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Cf0 supremacy

meager ravine Apr 29, 2024, 5:07 AM

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If I could git gud I’d be fine with Heightened Security but I’ve always been bad about dashing into traps, so I have no idea what to add… HL2 instead of HL1?

bleak grotto Apr 29, 2024, 5:07 AM

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Heightened Security is really dangerous

meager ravine Apr 29, 2024, 5:07 AM

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It’s just… bosses count as foes right? If I’m dying to bosses, HL could be a big reason

bleak grotto Apr 29, 2024, 5:07 AM

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Yep. Bosses be foes

meager ravine Apr 29, 2024, 5:08 AM

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bleak grotto Heightened Security is really dangerous

And I’m not confident enough in myself even if it were really viable.

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I feel like Jury Summons and Calisthenics Program and instant no

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Because then I’m subject to run out of time

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But then again, I’m doing okay on time with TD2, so maybe?

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This is so complicated

bleak grotto Apr 29, 2024, 5:09 AM

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TD2 isn't too bad!

meager ravine Apr 29, 2024, 5:10 AM

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So maybe Calisthenics 1 instead of a second point in HL or any points in DC?

hardy garden Apr 29, 2024, 5:10 AM

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Yeah dont

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Calisthenics literal worst 1 heat

meager ravine Apr 29, 2024, 5:10 AM

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Worst than JS?

hardy garden Apr 29, 2024, 5:10 AM

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Js doesnt affect bosses

meager ravine Apr 29, 2024, 5:11 AM

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The spawn time seems like it’d be longer than the extra damage you have to do

meager ravine Apr 29, 2024, 5:11 AM

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hardy garden Js doesnt affect bosses

Oh….

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So maybe… TD3 with HL2 and EM2, since I don’t even really know how to tackle EM3 yet?

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Liable to die to time, but somehow feels better than dying to getting hit?

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And there are no conditions that should waste any time besides BP2

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With EM2 and FO2 saving time

hardy garden Apr 29, 2024, 5:15 AM

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Td3 is free as long as you dont die to the clock shadesmile

meager ravine Apr 29, 2024, 5:19 AM

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Omg I just got rocket bombs. Don’t let me get cluster rockets…

meager ravine Apr 29, 2024, 5:19 AM

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hardy garden Td3 is free as long as you dont die to the clock <:shadesmile:520447982727069737...

TD3 messed me up haha

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Done with Tartarus in just over 3 minutes. I like this low health playstyle, it’s kinda sick.

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UC is messing me up though

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I died to the mini boss chamber with the 2 gorgons

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Megagorgon

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Ok I’ll try UC0 with EM3 and bump HL down to 1

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Attempt 11: Nemesis blade with Owl Pendant

hardy garden Apr 29, 2024, 5:38 AM

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Cf0 > uc0

quiet acorn Apr 29, 2024, 5:42 AM

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meager ravine I died to the mini boss chamber with the 2 gorgons

thats MM not UC

meager ravine Apr 29, 2024, 5:42 AM

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Guessing Cursed Slash isn’t worth when running Stubborn Defiance? Double Nova sounds much better.

quiet acorn Apr 29, 2024, 5:42 AM

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with sword its dedge or bust

meager ravine Apr 29, 2024, 5:42 AM

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quiet acorn thats MM not UC

I know, but UC was annoying me

hardy garden Apr 29, 2024, 5:42 AM

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Cslash is not good bouldy

quiet acorn Apr 29, 2024, 5:42 AM

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ah

meager ravine Apr 29, 2024, 5:43 AM

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Double nova and cruel thrust are the only other choices shadegrief

hardy garden Apr 29, 2024, 5:43 AM

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Sword playstyle is basically dash strike spam > special > repeat

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Nova is decent

meager ravine Apr 29, 2024, 5:44 AM

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Plus I can always get the knockback right back with Poseidon special, though I generally prefer Artemis, or in the case of this game, Athena, so I can fish for ME in Asphodel

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Rip I got forced into a granny chamber and I don’t see how she fits in a Nemesis build

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I guess I could take the epic Frost Flourish to sell?

broken echo Apr 29, 2024, 5:49 AM

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meager ravine I guess I could take the epic Frost Flourish to sell?

Fodder is fodder

meager ravine Apr 29, 2024, 5:49 AM

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Ok that didn’t work

broken echo Apr 29, 2024, 5:49 AM

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What were you offered

meager ravine Apr 29, 2024, 5:49 AM

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I didn’t have enough damage

meager ravine Apr 29, 2024, 5:49 AM

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broken echo Fodder is fodder

That and common health up (useless) and common attack

broken echo Apr 29, 2024, 5:49 AM

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Rip

meager ravine Apr 29, 2024, 5:49 AM

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Maybe the attack would have given me the damage for furies but idk

broken echo Apr 29, 2024, 5:49 AM

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What are you starting

meager ravine Apr 29, 2024, 5:52 AM

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hardy garden Cf0 > uc0

Gonna try that this game. Attempt 12: Eris again

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Yeah idk, I might not be good enough for H32 yet. Might need a sub-10 win under my belt first.

quiet acorn Apr 29, 2024, 6:03 AM

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not necessary

quiet acorn Apr 29, 2024, 6:04 AM

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meager ravine Gonna try that this game. Attempt 12: Eris again

are you on keyboard

meager ravine Apr 29, 2024, 6:05 AM

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quiet acorn are you on keyboard

I’m on PS5 using controller

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I gotta at least get back to the level I was at when I was getting sub-12s

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Maybe I’ll be better now that I’ve played over a dozen at H32 but I’m gonna go back to the nice and toasty H12-15 for a bit because I’m still not quite at the level I need to be

torpid fiber May 1, 2024, 11:16 AM

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truthfully, how often does triple jab hit an extra target or targets? this hammer feels worthless

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and also triple shot

whole bluff May 1, 2024, 11:41 AM

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No clue about triple jab, but triple shot allows you to get close to enemies and hit all 3 arrows on the same target

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Pretty strong on rama to just nuke bosses

jaunty falcon May 1, 2024, 2:42 PM

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Triple bad is pretty meh because you can’t shotgun

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But it’s decent for aoe

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Probably the second best second hammer on achilles

quiet acorn May 1, 2024, 2:43 PM

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What's first

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Exctendee

whole bluff May 1, 2024, 2:44 PM

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Isn't the "no more spin but hold to attack" bis on achilles?

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(I forget what it's called)

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Since it makes your dash strike way smoother

left prism May 1, 2024, 2:44 PM

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whole bluff Isn't the "no more spin but hold to attack" bis on achilles?

Yeah

wispy blade May 1, 2024, 2:44 PM

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yes

left prism May 1, 2024, 2:44 PM

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Also flurry jab

summer spire May 3, 2024, 1:45 AM

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I am currently doing a flurry jab 32 zag spear run

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actually failed 3 times beforehand

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trying to level up skull earring

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will be level 3 by end of this run

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I have 1092 gold going into pre-sisters shop rn lol

summer spire May 3, 2024, 11:46 AM

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How do you do the guan yu animation cancel / tech that was used in the 64 heat run?

wraith ivy May 3, 2024, 1:41 PM

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Is Chiron bow good for 32 heat?

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Like

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Demeter on the ultimate and Dio on the attack for the 40% more damage buff duo effect

clever otter May 3, 2024, 1:42 PM

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i just saw someone beat 40 with is so dont let your dreams be dreams

wraith ivy May 3, 2024, 1:42 PM

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wraith ivy Demeter on the ultimate and Dio on the attack for the 40% more damage buff duo e...

Maybe Aphro instead of Dio idk

wraith ivy May 3, 2024, 1:43 PM

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clever otter i just saw someone beat 40 with is so dont let your dreams be dreams

Ok, thank you for the inspiration bouldy

left prism May 3, 2024, 1:44 PM

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Do aphro atk dio special

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Also yeah anything can work at 32H pretty much

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Chiron may feel a bit harder to other meta weapons but whatever

wraith ivy May 4, 2024, 12:26 AM

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thanks for the advice, mate

floral flax May 5, 2024, 7:06 PM

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Hello, I'm tired and frustrated about H32 and come to ask any advice.. (sorry in advance for my english, I may have missed technical words or used wrong words.. if some french will answer, you can write in French zaglol )

How can I improve my placement & increase my speed dash / reaction for no hit ?..

I have 300h and 350 runs, all weapons around H20-H22.. Last year I did tryhard session for H32 without success.. Since then I have switched from keyboard/mouse to controller, a long process because I have only been playing certain games on the controller for a year (full KM gamer 😅) and I played chill Zag in H6. Now I try again H32..

I saw a lot of videos since I played Zag, mostly from Haelian on YT. Videos & my exp mean I pretty good for decision, build, speedrun trick, etc. I know I'm not a pro with thousand hours, but my placement & fight seems horrible when I see other good players..

I don't understand how people can kill fast AND dogde fast..
I'm stuck :

5min is sometime not enough (I lost against low life Hades today because of time..), if I try to be faster, I'm like an idiot barbar and take to much damage (specialy with twin fists..),
if I'm focus correctly, I'm not enough faster.. I try 7min but need to put 3H on more ennemies, or more damage, etc. I am dead too
Sometime I saw next attack, want to anticipated, but ennemies are so fast.. my zag don't answer or not time to answer.. I know I'm 32 years but I am not so old

Any advices or training ? or my only solution is try & die and wait enough experience ?

shy plinth May 5, 2024, 7:09 PM

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Best place to start would be reviewing your pact, mirror, and keepsake choices

bleak grotto May 5, 2024, 7:09 PM

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Sounds like you're maybe mashing inputs a bit randomly instead of playing very deliberately. I've had that issue. The best players move so thoughtfully

shy plinth May 5, 2024, 7:09 PM

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Precision will help, but 32 heat should have a decent margin for error, especially if you're clearing in the 20s

broken echo May 5, 2024, 7:19 PM

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floral flax Hello, I'm tired and frustrated about H32 and come to ask any advice.. (sorry in...

What aspect/build are you shooting for

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I would say the safest way to beat 32 is hestia rail or beowulf shield

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and avoid EM4, JS, CP, AP, RI, and DC on the pact

hardy garden May 5, 2024, 7:32 PM

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floral flax Hello, I'm tired and frustrated about H32 and come to ask any advice.. (sorry in...

Often times you shouldnt be relying on reacting to enemy wind ups for timing dashes especially on fo2. In general enemies will automatically wind up an attack when facing you and a certain distance away. Along with getting used to enemy attack intervals you can predict when theyll attack and dodge preemptively. Enemy tracking once theyve started winding up an attack is usually poor so you can bait attacks and use their recovery to deal damage more safely

summer spire May 5, 2024, 7:32 PM

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Finally made it to styx on gilga 45 heat, fingers crossed this run is the one

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2:31 for dad

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didn't get patty this run but otherwise I got lots of dps

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EM3, 129/285 hp

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VICTORY!

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finally done with gilga

shy plinth May 5, 2024, 7:51 PM

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Well done

left prism May 5, 2024, 7:52 PM

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Gamer

summer spire May 5, 2024, 7:55 PM

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Thanks. I got spear, rail, bow remaining for 45+

floral flax May 5, 2024, 8:19 PM

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shy plinth Best place to start would be reviewing your pact, mirror, and keepsake choices

I wanted to send screen, but I realize we can't send pic here ?! Or I don't know how ^^

left prism May 5, 2024, 8:20 PM

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You need to use embeds (send to another discord > right click > copy link)

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If it's easier you can just DM me the pic and I'll post it here

shy plinth May 5, 2024, 8:21 PM

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Yeah or post it to imgur or something

floral flax May 5, 2024, 8:22 PM

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bleak grotto Sounds like you're maybe mashing inputs a bit randomly instead of playing very d...

Yeah I see what you mean !! I had this "random" step, now I press consciously ahah maybe not yet as intuitive and fast as the controllers used to it.. maybe it's one of the factors, especially after 300 runs with K.M

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oh ok, it's work with this link ?
https://imgur.com/a/fZpr5qt

Imgur

Untitled Album

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both screen on same link

broken echo May 5, 2024, 8:30 PM

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Kbm and controller can both do well

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What aspect of rail are you using

floral flax May 5, 2024, 8:32 PM

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broken echo What aspect/build are you shooting for

Yeah I try with hestia rail, beowulf shield, Eris gun, Demeter / Talos fist

hardy garden May 5, 2024, 8:32 PM

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floral flax oh ok, it's work with this link ? https://imgur.com/a/fZpr5qt

+15% health points to all enemies is a very bad pact since it makes dealing with the timer harder and also affects bosses. Also in general makes encounters more difficult than it seems since you cant burst down enemies as quickly. +80% shop cost is also very bad it means you miss out a lot of boons from shops which could otherwise lead to very strong builds

floral flax May 5, 2024, 8:39 PM

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I see, but where I usefull put these 2H ?..

hardy garden May 5, 2024, 8:45 PM

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Its usually recommended to turn on 0% healing and use the death defiance that refreshes every room

shy plinth May 5, 2024, 8:46 PM

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Ah yes, this pact is VERY punishing

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https://i.imgur.com/u7BWcII.png

Imgur

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We generally recommend this pact and switching to Stubborn Defiance over Death's Defiance - it is very consistent for people looking for their first time 32

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With the pact you posted here, it is not surprising that 5 minutes felt impossible - you selected many conditions that make the run slower

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Generally speaking, Aphrodite and Athena will work well with the above pact - it is recommended to use keepsakes to guarantee one or both of those in the first two areas, then switch to Acorn for Elysium and Styx

hardy garden May 5, 2024, 8:52 PM

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Cf 2 squirtmeh

shy plinth May 5, 2024, 8:52 PM

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I prefer CF0 and FO2 but this is still the most consistent pact lol

broken echo May 5, 2024, 8:52 PM

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Honestly fine on hestia

hardy garden May 5, 2024, 8:53 PM

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Yeah true for Bestia

broken echo May 5, 2024, 8:53 PM

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I’m an advocate of taking AP1 early on aspects like hestia if the other pact options give you trouble

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You can clear with just attack

hardy garden May 5, 2024, 8:53 PM

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But for something like beo tart shops are super valuable

shy plinth May 5, 2024, 8:53 PM

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It's takeable but I feel like it's not necessary for 32

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Oh yeah if we're talking beo you can't do cf

broken echo May 5, 2024, 8:54 PM

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shy plinth It's takeable but I feel like it's not necessary for 32

Absolutely not necessary but it can make some other pact options lighter

floral flax May 5, 2024, 8:54 PM

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sorry but I understand any abbreviations XD

floral flax May 5, 2024, 8:55 PM

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shy plinth https://i.imgur.com/u7BWcII.png

wait, the three first are in MAX ?!

shy plinth May 5, 2024, 8:55 PM

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Oui, you use stubborn defiance to heal

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You will see this in many videos

forest token May 5, 2024, 8:56 PM

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floral flax wait, the three first are in MAX ?!

there's also an explanation for it in the pinned guide here

broken echo May 5, 2024, 8:56 PM

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All good. Second to last pact can be taken at level 1

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For hestia, start Aphrodite and take attack at rare or epic (if not take special and look for attack)

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Just dash away from enemies and snipe them

forest token May 5, 2024, 8:57 PM

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there's room for creative implementation like taking damage control and/or approval process to lower some pacts, but that's generally not recommended except for specific builds

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reading through the first section of the guide would probably help with deciding on pact choices as well

shy plinth May 5, 2024, 8:58 PM

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Yep, would definitely take a look at the guide

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This pact has been the most consistently successful one and it's been recommend many times over the years - I know some of the choices are intimidating, but many of the options you were playing with already are much more difficult

floral flax May 5, 2024, 8:59 PM

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as my game is in French, I don't find what is "stubborn defiance" 🫣

hardy garden May 5, 2024, 9:00 PM

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If youre comfortable with increased enemy speed you can reduce the first pact option

floral flax May 5, 2024, 9:00 PM

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even with trad

hardy garden May 5, 2024, 9:00 PM

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floral flax as my game is in French, I don't find what is "stubborn defiance" 🫣

Green version of 3rd mirror perk

shy plinth May 5, 2024, 9:00 PM

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Swap "Refus de la Mort"

floral flax May 5, 2024, 9:00 PM

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hardy garden If youre comfortable with increased enemy speed you can reduce the first pact op...

I think I'm not ready for more speed !

shy plinth May 5, 2024, 9:01 PM

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I would try this one and give it a few tries

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It will be an adjustment and will feel difficult at first, but as you get used to it, it will be better than what you were trying before

floral flax May 5, 2024, 9:03 PM

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shy plinth Swap "Refus de la Mort"

okay, we play with death !

shy plinth May 5, 2024, 9:03 PM

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Bon chance

broken echo May 5, 2024, 9:04 PM

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Real

broken echo May 5, 2024, 9:04 PM

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floral flax okay, we play with death !

This goes unreasonably hard

floral flax May 5, 2024, 9:04 PM

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but against Hades, one death is hard for me, maybe take "Talos keepsake" for one more death ? (even 2..)

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in last biome

broken echo May 5, 2024, 9:04 PM

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Yeah acorn also works

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Generally the 5 hits it negates will amount to more than 100 health

floral flax May 5, 2024, 9:11 PM

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I never really use it, though I was not good enough for use it

floral flax May 5, 2024, 9:13 PM

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broken echo For hestia, start Aphrodite and take attack at rare or epic (if not take special...

thank you, I will try it with new heat and other changes !

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and read this guide too

broken echo May 5, 2024, 9:14 PM

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Sounds good

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Best of luck!

floral flax May 5, 2024, 9:14 PM

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thank you !

torpid fiber May 6, 2024, 9:04 AM

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how do you guys feel about ares dash as a primary damage source? ive been having mixed results recently

quiet acorn May 6, 2024, 9:07 AM

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What do you mean primary

torpid fiber May 6, 2024, 9:08 AM

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how do you feel about ares dash in general *

quiet acorn May 6, 2024, 9:14 AM

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Depends on ur aspect but it is decent in general

somber kraken May 6, 2024, 10:23 AM

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torpid fiber how do you guys feel about ares dash as a primary damage source? ive been having...

meh, tidal dash is best for dash as primary source of dmg

torpid fiber May 6, 2024, 10:26 AM

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does the hestia empowered shot able to dash attack and benefit from art dash? i havent been able to execute it

solid smelt May 6, 2024, 10:27 AM

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yes

torpid fiber May 6, 2024, 10:36 AM

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oh it does work but in the courtyard against skelly i still get the tutorial prompt for dash strike as if i did it wrong

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oops

summer spire May 6, 2024, 1:03 PM

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broken echo Kbm and controller can both do well

Hybrid setup master race

summer spire May 6, 2024, 1:35 PM

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#h1-victory-boasting message

So, this was my 50 zeus clear, if I were to decide to grind to try and push that higher, what pact changes should I make next?

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I feel like ri2 is really weird without js / cp being higher but with zeus I feel like I commonly struggle with td3 with js3 especially when paired with cp on higher heats.

Or at this heat, do I just need to take every single possible skip regardless for the entire run? (unless the other offer would be something like zeus while I don't yet have jolted)

broken echo May 6, 2024, 2:14 PM

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Unironically you get a maxed hell mode save so you’d add personal liability and cp

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Heightened security is something to get used to

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You don’t need more js

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At this point it’s just a collection of 1 heat stuff you can add to get to 54

broken echo May 6, 2024, 2:15 PM

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summer spire I feel like ri2 is really weird without js / cp being higher but with zeus I fee...

You take every skip regardless

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You need the time and if zeus is bad just reset

broken echo May 6, 2024, 2:16 PM

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summer spire I feel like ri2 is really weird without js / cp being higher but with zeus I fee...

Feel free to send vods of your play in the speedrunning server for review

summer spire May 6, 2024, 4:28 PM

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Yeah next time I grind it I'll try every single skip and see how much of a difference it makes

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Would turning off ap2 / RI in favor of something else be preferred?

summer spire May 6, 2024, 4:46 PM

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broken echo At this point it’s just a collection of 1 heat stuff you can add to get to 54

I can add cp1, personal liability, HS, what's the 4th for 54?

hardy garden May 6, 2024, 4:49 PM

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summer spire I can add cp1, personal liability, HS, what's the 4th for 54?

Only 1 heats left are js2 and cp2 and js2 is less bad

true jewel May 6, 2024, 6:07 PM

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me thinking that hades 16 heat is preaty chill from the first fiew rooms (:
me realising i put 3 points in extreme measures and one point in less mirror shadeembarassed

left prism May 6, 2024, 6:09 PM

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Em3 is fine

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Less mirror absolutely avoid it

true jewel May 6, 2024, 6:42 PM

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why? is less good boons that bad?

left prism May 6, 2024, 6:42 PM

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Losing dark foresight and starter rerolls sucks

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You'll see much less boons and also have less protection to underworld customs

true jewel May 6, 2024, 6:43 PM

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i have 0 in rolls

left prism May 6, 2024, 6:43 PM

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Slightly less worse then

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But dark foresight is still way too good

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For just 2 heat

true jewel May 6, 2024, 6:44 PM

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dark foresight?

left prism May 6, 2024, 6:44 PM

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Green side of olympian favor

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It boost your chances of seeing gold laurel rooms

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So you see more boons/poms/HP/ coins and hammers

true jewel May 6, 2024, 6:45 PM

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im using the using the green only for the bloodstone and...forgot

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and the money one

left prism May 6, 2024, 6:45 PM

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Deep pocket is better than its green side

shy plinth May 6, 2024, 6:46 PM

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I would recommend posting your current pact and mirror - we'd be happy to give recommendations

true jewel May 6, 2024, 6:46 PM

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ups

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just reached furies im done for

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nwm its good

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...died...probably shouldnt try it with the weapon i dislike a lot...

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ok so my current build is:
all red except stygian soul and golden touch also fated peruasion but i have 0 there
3EM 2BP 1RI 1DC

shy plinth May 6, 2024, 6:59 PM

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#h1-high-heat-strategies message

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Take a look at this pinned message

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It should hopefully help guide you both for mirror choices and pact choices

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There's a fantastic 32 heat guide from Bananas if you want to level up, but these choices here will get you to 16 heat with hopefully less pressure

true jewel May 6, 2024, 7:01 PM

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isnt 32 like reaching the cap? i heard the impossible max is something like 36

wispy blade May 6, 2024, 7:01 PM

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it is not that

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the max heat is possible and it is 64

true jewel May 6, 2024, 7:01 PM

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dang

true jewel May 6, 2024, 7:06 PM

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shy plinth https://discord.com/channels/456889434672201729/725021448426749993/1046573451269...

thanks for the heat but il keep the mirror as it was tbh

shy plinth May 6, 2024, 7:08 PM

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If you don't have dark foresight you're missing out, but your call

true jewel May 6, 2024, 7:15 PM

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i still dont have maxed mirror so im actualy not missing out

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also is there a thing that says what all the armored buffs do?

quiet acorn May 6, 2024, 7:16 PM

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Not having dark foresight is one of the reasons RI sucks as a heat option

true jewel May 6, 2024, 7:17 PM

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yeah but i still need the dark stuff sooooo

left prism May 6, 2024, 7:24 PM

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true jewel also is there a thing that says what all the armored buffs do?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608403611151761438/702994531749986445/BP_perks_explanation.png

true jewel May 6, 2024, 7:24 PM

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left prism https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608403611151761438/702994531749986445/BP_...

thanks

left prism May 6, 2024, 7:25 PM

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Is pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat

true jewel May 6, 2024, 7:26 PM

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shy plinth https://discord.com/channels/456889434672201729/725021448426749993/1046573451269...

hey uh are you sure about that time thing? i got out with like 55 seconds left and that was the short area

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...i gues it was a fluke since i did the next one with 3,5 minuts to spare

true jewel May 6, 2024, 7:51 PM

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...he...he's dualwielding miniguns?!

left prism May 6, 2024, 7:53 PM

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Maybe

true jewel May 6, 2024, 7:57 PM

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i survived on 20 hp

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time too see what kind of monster the little wermin is

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didnt even get to 30%...

shy plinth May 6, 2024, 8:06 PM

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Tiny Vermin's a tough one

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Keep at it, def keep trying different mirror configs/aspects/keepsakes etc. You'll get there

true jewel May 6, 2024, 8:07 PM

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yeah i also kinda kicked myself in the groin becouse i litearly cut my dps by 40% gues how

quiet acorn May 6, 2024, 8:07 PM

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Not having dark foresight

true jewel May 6, 2024, 8:08 PM

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yes and no, becouse i turned off my brain and sold my attack boon from the war guy which was a perfect combo with the expose from athenas dash

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...holdon am i crazy? im preaty sure that for a room completion you get way more then 10 dark

forest token May 6, 2024, 8:12 PM

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For bosses yeah

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Normal rooms give 5

wispy blade May 6, 2024, 8:14 PM

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true jewel yes and no, becouse i turned off my brain and sold my attack boon from the war g...

dont use pstatus

true jewel May 6, 2024, 8:14 PM

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...no? bosses give 60/120/ect. and for rooms i remember around like 30

wispy blade May 6, 2024, 8:14 PM

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rooms give 5

true jewel May 6, 2024, 8:14 PM

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wispy blade dont use pstatus

what?

wispy blade May 6, 2024, 8:14 PM

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ur using priv status

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in the mirror

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right

true jewel May 6, 2024, 8:15 PM

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yes and curently its working nicely for me

wispy blade May 6, 2024, 8:15 PM

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its bad

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use fam favs

true jewel May 6, 2024, 8:15 PM

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how is it bad?

wispy blade May 6, 2024, 8:16 PM

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takes longer to get up

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doesnt apply on first or second hit

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not that much higher than ff

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only applies to some enemies

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requires you to contort your build in a negative manner

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for instance in that run you took blinding flash from athena

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which blows

true jewel May 6, 2024, 8:17 PM

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wispy blade requires you to contort your build in a negative manner

never contorted my build and always get it but sure

wispy blade May 6, 2024, 8:17 PM

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u literally mentioned exposed

true jewel May 6, 2024, 8:17 PM

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i always take the backstab!

wispy blade May 6, 2024, 8:17 PM

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yeah thats bad

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first off fiery presence is better

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and secondly i guarantee there was a better option on the athena screen you got blinding flash from

true jewel May 6, 2024, 8:18 PM

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wispy blade first off fiery presence is better

the what?

wispy blade May 6, 2024, 8:18 PM

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fiery presence the first mirror option

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75% dmg on first hit

true jewel May 6, 2024, 8:19 PM

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wispy blade and secondly i guarantee there was a better option on the athena screen you got ...

already had the dash and there was nothing for the calls so yes it was the best option

wispy blade May 6, 2024, 8:19 PM

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what other options were there

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if there was sure footing that was better

true jewel May 6, 2024, 8:19 PM

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wispy blade 75% dmg on first hit

well then what will you have the other 99 hits?

wispy blade May 6, 2024, 8:20 PM

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true jewel well then what will you have the other 99 hits?

there should not be that many hits

true jewel May 6, 2024, 8:20 PM

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wispy blade there should not be that many hits

boss

wispy blade May 6, 2024, 8:20 PM

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on bosses its not as good but for rooms its 1000x better

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backstabbing is not a good boost anyways

true jewel May 6, 2024, 8:21 PM

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wispy blade on bosses its not as good but for rooms its 1000x better

ok it is satisfying when you just dash around comiting genocide but i die on bosses the most so yeah il take my backstab thanks

forest token May 6, 2024, 8:21 PM

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Backstab is fine for certain aspects on bosses

shy plinth May 6, 2024, 8:22 PM

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That line in the mirror doesn't strike me as a huge difference maker unless you're on arthur or hestia or something, like Fiery probs overall better but it seems like a small % diff