h1-high-heat-strategies

[hoary pasture]

Doable with EM4

[polar robin]

https://prnt.sc/ZMS-W4n-ZCA0

yeah DC hestia doesn't work

maybe maybe dc1

[haughty sky]

dc1’s bad enough

[hoary pasture]

It’s pain

[jaunty falcon]

All 60 heat hestia completions have dc0

Btw

[polar robin]

lmaoo

[hoary pasture]

It’ll slow you down a ton

[haughty sky]

it’s better if you start with a dash but still pretty bad

[polar robin]

https://prnt.sc/eaJXNr6ADMBE

this is it then?

or should i move a pt from JS to CP

[hoary pasture]

That’s good

[polar robin]

ok i'll give it a go :3

[hoary pasture]

JS2 CP0 is fine

[quartz mantle]

JS2 good

For some reason JS2 -> JS3 jump is rough

[hoary pasture]

Expect to do quite a few tries

[jaunty falcon]

This was my exact pact lol

[haughty sky]

build is gonna be pretty bad unmodded

[hoary pasture]

And probably start Shackle

[jaunty falcon]

Def

[quartz mantle]

You don’t need a good build for EM3

Just some damage

[haughty sky]

ig it is hestia

i’m too fists pilled

[polar robin]

build shackle hermes chaos or an actual build?

[quartz mantle]

Shackle

[polar robin]

what starter keepsake? aphro? shackle?

[jaunty falcon]

Shackle

[polar robin]

shackle all the way then?

[hoary pasture]

Your build is whatever the game decides is good

Yes

[haughty sky]

if any god you probably start arty

[hoary pasture]

If you have to

[quartz mantle]

Shackle until you find an attack boon

[jaunty falcon]

Start shackle and keep any rare+ attack % boon that isn’t Poseidon

[quartz mantle]

Then you switch to a defensive keepsake, maybe coin purse for Aspho

[jaunty falcon]

You can keep common aphro or arty

[polar robin]

would it not be better to start aphro then and reset if no atk boon

[quartz mantle]

If you want to

[jaunty falcon]

You’re throwing away 3/4 of all runs then

[quartz mantle]

Shackle let’s you play the game more

[hoary pasture]

Yea it’s time consuming

[polar robin]

ok sure, it doesn't rly matter ig

[hoary pasture]

Just give it some attempts

Get a feel for it

[polar robin]

i made it to hades already with AP2, i'll do it again >:)

[haughty sky]

bc attack special dash are all fine

[quartz mantle]

Hell yea you will

[jaunty falcon]

Shackle start with hunter dash c1

Nah

Any time you have to take AP basically

[hoary pasture]

When your build isn’t as good/consistent and the game is also tough so weak is survivability

[jaunty falcon]

In speedruns I prefer passion

Oh

[hoary pasture]

You can do ap1 or CF2 JS1

[mossy zinc]

Beowulf doesn't care too much about JS.

[hoary pasture]

Both non hell

[mossy zinc]

Doesn't matter if there's 3 enemies or 10 enemies in your Cast AOE.

[quartz mantle]

Just do EM4 then

[mossy zinc]

Do HS please.

[quartz mantle]

Time to start

[jaunty falcon]

Yeah

[quartz mantle]

That’s a choice

[hoary pasture]

Let’s see it then

[quartz mantle]

Have fun with that

[hoary pasture]

[mossy zinc]

You just called JS pain, now you call it free.

She probably just picked some randomly without looking to give you so she could go back to Callisto asap.

Just keep JS3 on. It's good practice.

[jaunty falcon]

Get 32 heat beo wr

[hoary pasture]

Alright

[jaunty falcon]

unmodded

[hoary pasture]

Alright

Give me 3 months

🗿

[haughty sky]

i actually have 50 heat modded drunken strike nem record

[polar robin]

ugh 50 heat is hard

ima take a break

[mossy zinc]

@upper juniper something like this, I guess. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1057201146961350706/Hades_5228.png

Can do JS2 HS or JS1 CP1 HS. Something like that.

@honest kernel I think Trippy Flare with only 2 bloodstones is just a reset tbh if you want a good time.

Ah.

Don't do that then.

[upper juniper]

Ah

Hehep

Leve 4 epic dio flourish leaving tart

wait UC bye bye aphro strike

Oh

+200% heroic athena flourish exchange or a new dd, decisions decisions

On zeus shield btw

Third option is exposed

I’m taking dd

Almost hitless lernie until the end

2 athena dd’s I feel godlike

Lost one to heroes but still feeling good

Died to Hades in phase 2 with a level 10 dio flourish

Ironically dps was my biggest issue I think

[forest token]

Hangover without low tolerance or curse of nausea feels mediocre tbh

[upper juniper]

Nanas check out this flawless build

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1058949041045647442/IMG_2719.jpg

[forest token]

Lmfao

Basically rail

[quartz mantle]

Nice PS

[haughty sky]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/989083298099785730/1058964949843578950/image.png?width=1244&height=700

APwho??

[upper juniper]

Thnx

[haughty sky]

not BPwho unfortunately

[timber pike]

more like based process

[mossy zinc]

@cursive portal what keepsake would you take here? https://i.imgur.com/FGziPY9.png

Also, happy new year!

[cursive portal]

Tooth or earring probably

Also shadow is way better for chiron in my opinion

[mossy zinc]

I thought about using Shadow, but recently I've been liking Fiery to speed up Tartarus. I'll try Shadow again after this.

Thanks!

[north grotto]

It says v1. 2 is that just for pc

[jaunty falcon]

Thats a modded ruleset

[honest kernel]

"mewded game" so based

[mossy zinc]

Speedrun modpack version 1.2.0.

[north grotto]

i wish i could use it

[north grotto]

Lol

[surreal spear]

Wow, dio on attack and artemis on special for twin fists Demeter is absolutely bonkers

Obliterated 32 with ease

[cinder lava]

My strategy is to hit hard and keep hitting, any advice or is that a sound strategy?

[jaunty falcon]

My strategy is kill the enemies while not getting killed myself

[peak sail]

skill issue

[cinder lava]

Oh, of course! thanks for the advice!

[peak sail]

lol

[short echo]

anybody got any advice on 32 heat runs

[shy plinth]

Lots of it

Have you checked the pins?

[short echo]

Im new here, will do

[shy plinth]

Yeah start there for some pretty consistent guidance that helps people

Pact and mirror stuff is often an easy opportunity

[short echo]

This stuff is pretty hard

got to EM redacted last phase and died leaving him at half a health bar

[quartz mantle]

yea that's not generally recommended for first time 32 heat

it's a very difficult fight

EM3 is what is typically the max you'll go to at 32, and some pacts even do EM2

[forest token]

if you got to last phase of em4 if you have a good pact you'll be fine lol

[quartz mantle]

I wouldn't call that particularly crazy

Some aspects really struggle with EM3 Asterius specifically

fists and swords mainly

If someone just wants a 32 heat clear they can just

not run EM3

and some times that makes the clear easier

[shy plinth]

I always found em3 easier than most of my alternatives on fists

But I have heard this advice before

[quartz mantle]

I mean that's also cause most of us here are used to EM3

but for a newcomer it can be a steep learning curve

it's ultimately down to the individual player to determine what'll be easier for their clear

[shy plinth]

Yeah I mean I remember my horrible cursed first time 32 clear with cp and ap and all the bad things, but it def got easier to just learn em3 and the other meta stuff

But that was for the purpose of doing 24x32, not just one

[quartz mantle]

I think a good idea is to take this pact

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/459479648603078658/1059325009341980692/image.png

then pick 3 from the following:
HL4
EM3
FO2
TD3

and with DC aspects you can have more leniency and whatnot

[short echo]

thank you guys for advice Ive done it and it was extra easy now without EM4

[left prism]

Gaming

[shy plinth]

G a m i n g

[mossy zinc]

https://i.imgur.com/z0Vdg4W.png https://i.imgur.com/qWiGKL2.png

[hexed sapphire]

sucks

[dry pivot]

i like how it says it's mewded

[mossy zinc]

Unarmored enemies should be banned.

[upper juniper]

Any melee aspect

[mossy zinc]

lol Chiron AP2 Greater Recall and all my poms hit Attack. This is not the run I've been waiting for.

[mossy zinc]

https://i.imgur.com/Gd7rY4b.png https://i.imgur.com/Gr0UDPH.png

[honest kernel]

[distant pelican]

so close

[mossy zinc]

Timer problems after Lord Ares replaced my Special with Curse of Pain shortly before Elysium boss.

Which made my Special just unusable for DPS.

[hexed sapphire]

sadge

[distant pelican]

styx seems painful with that build

[mossy zinc]

Wasn't too bad with Twin Shot and Strike from Master Chaos.

[distant pelican]

ah

[quiet mountain]

mew to mew

nya to nya

[upper juniper]

Sounds perfect

[forest token]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1059627746822733844/image.png?width=1191&height=670

is this a good 50 heat pact that isn't em4

i dont see any other options sadly but just making sure

unless i do ri, but idk if that's a good idea or not

[jaunty falcon]

beo?

[forest token]

zeus shield

idk if i should do js3 dc1 instead of js2 dc2 as well actually

[jaunty falcon]

i did Zeus shield 50 using bad zag shield so idk about pacts

[forest token]

lmao i was considering it

but i want to give normal zeus a try first

[mossy zinc]

Try CF1 JS3.

Modded with Thunder Flourish start, DC2 shouldn't be too much of a problem. So no need to go down to DC1.

[forest token]

fair

i'll try that then

i'm a bit worried for time tho but we'll see

[mossy zinc]

Might even wanna try CF0 JS3 CP2 since you don't have EM4 anyway.

m never worried about time with Zeus tbh, but that's just me. You'll have to see what works for you and if you need more practice.

[forest token]

c4 hammer c5 fountain into c6 bouldy lmao the one time i dont want to speedrun

[forest token]

that's true yeah

[mossy zinc]

Sub 8 50 Heat incoming.

[forest token]

jesus christ cloner spreader witches with than on js3

[mossy zinc]

Swift Strike kinda okay if it's epic, but also kinda cope because it's not dashes.

Roll for Rush Delivery or dashes.

[forest token]

should i sell epic swift strike or epic positive outlook
normally i'd sell positive outlook but the 20% damage reduction is basically always active, so just wondering

[mossy zinc]

Nice. GGs.

[mossy zinc]

At 50, trust your own judgment tbh.

[forest token]

aight

no positive outlook

athena aspho time i guess

[mossy zinc]

Trials are nice. Two boons and at least you're guaranteed elite enemies, so no neverending unarmored waves.

Nevermind, misread.

But still nice.

Both good choices tbh.

[pseudo kernel]

do ri3

[mossy zinc]

Up to you really. I am always willing to roll for something good if it's AP0.

Lightning Phalanx is nice. Good damage and lots of deflect everywhere.

[forest token]

lets play a game of whether or not ill be lernie taxed

im voting for lernie tax

[pseudo kernel]

me too

[forest token]

oh fml it's trans lernie

back to the house i go

on the other hand i do have nasty dash

[pseudo kernel]

whats your crit

idk probably mark

yeah mark

common support fire not worth it

[forest token]

bruh falling debris

yeah

[pseudo kernel]

it doesnt damage you but it does do 20 damage

[forest token]

from trans lernie it does 18

i just killed the last head too

had epic jolted from endshop rip

[pseudo kernel]

wheres your poseidon

rupture

nice

👍

why do you need athena dds

just stop dying

[mossy zinc]

I'd purge Storm Lightning.

[pseudo kernel]

well heres the thing

you arent gonna get them anyways

purge cast 👍

[mossy zinc]

Take what's good for your build, not what you may or may not be able to purge. Taking a high value boon just to purge it is only really good in Tartarus where you can easily guarantee that you get to purge it because you don't have a lot of boons yet.

Storm Lightning itself doesn't really do anything, so I'd just purge that personally.

Phalanx Shot is way better than Storm Lightning.

If you're not pressed for time, just go for the rewards you want regardless of miniboss or not.

Only way to get better at them is to take them.

And you have Eris with Tidal Dash and epic Ruptured.

[forest token]

so realistically i should take athena into aspho

but it would be pretty funny if i took aphro into aspho and got smair

[mossy zinc]

Aren't you doing AP2?

[forest token]

yep

[mossy zinc]

Take Skull Earring or maybe Lucky Tooth.

[forest token]

ah

tooth it is then

prob should've done that last time

[mossy zinc]

Eris at home.

Mirage Shot would do more deflecting vs dad. Breaking Wave nice if you have to do a lot of tunnels.

So Breaking Wave can help indirectly by giving you more time vs dad.

Sure Footing comfy.

[forest token]

i really got 2 story and 2 fountains the first run and no story and no fountains the 2nd run

[mossy zinc]

Helps you not get murdered by superelite Chariots, so there's that.

[forest token]

also helps on daads

[mossy zinc]

That's a 3-hit combo, yeah.

Probably just being overconfident. Gotta play very careful in the fight with Malphon unless you have a lot of DPS.

[mossy zinc]

[forest token]

Get wombo comboed kid

[hexed sapphire]

do savestate practice

or pick long knuckle (it's unironically good)

default fists is arguably better than default sword

[forest token]

yo i ap2ed into mettle

ran out of time so i hit give up lmao

[hexed sapphire]

sucks is just ur code word for "high skill requirement"

They kind of are

[forest token]

do i sell high voltage, double strike, or pos aid on zeus shield
i feel like you guys are gonna say sell call, but it's kinda nice for movement and just decent damage

i have 1 reroll, but i feel like i should save that for after ely

i also have sea storm somehow lmao

[forest token]

thanks for the input guys i cleared

[hexed sapphire]

high voltage

[forest token]

yeah i sold high voltage

i thought the aoe would be nice to have

[hexed sapphire]

pos aid is good

[forest token]

but then realized that explosive return exists

and is basically high voltage

[hexed sapphire]

buh

[forest token]

ngl im surprised it didnt take me long

zeus shield kinda good

[hexed sapphire]

I think I'm burning out from too much hades

I poured hundreds of attempts into Lucifer 60

[forest token]

it do be like that

i was burning out too from just not knowing what else to do other than speedrun and i didn't want to do high heat

so i did high heat

but i also just realized beo is aotw lmao

[hexed sapphire]

best of both worlds, beat the 50 heat wr

it's only a 7:30

[forest token]

lmfao bet

that's unmodded tho

isn't it

[hexed sapphire]

that doesn't make it not the 50 heat wr

[forest token]

that's fair

i think that proves the speedrun modpack is a scam tbh

[mossy zinc]

Are you burning out from too much Hades or from too much AP2?

[hexed sapphire]

both

I got a perfect run and still lost

[forest token]

mood

[gaunt fiber]

Happens

The best run I ever had on Guan Yu, I lost it

I just won later with less, games giveth and taketh away

[forest token]

for 51 beo, going into ely
there's a touch of styx in the well but idk if i should take acorn for general safety or hourglass so the touch of styx would last until dad

55/170 current hp

[haughty sky]

i’d just take acorn or tooth

[forest token]

well too late i took hourglass lmao

but i got past ely because patty so i'm good

just need to not throw dad fight

gottem

[distant pelican]

probably rolling knuckle

the other two are kinda weh

just not draining cutter for sure

[haughty sky]

kinetic by far

[distant pelican]

huh

[haughty sky]

rolling doesn’t do much and draining cutter is useless

kinetic improves special damage by a ton, which is great for dem

[sharp jackal]

I dunno about you, but DC is the goat in a lot of my Twin Fists builds

[distant pelican]

[distant pelican]

im considering switching from js1 cp1 to js2 cp0 for hesty 50 heat

heres my thinking:
-1.2x to 1.4x is an increase of 16.7% in enemy hp in normal, slightly worse than cp
-but i think it would get partly counteracted by being spread out over more enemies due to fiery presence
-swarms of enemies might kinda suck tho
-and i dont really know how much of an impact 15% boss hp is

[mossy zinc]

Why aren't you just doing JS3?

[distant pelican]

what

[mossy zinc]

JS3 and take Heat off CF or something.

[distant pelican]

really?

i thought itd suck for hesty

ill probably give it a couple tries

see how i like it

[mossy zinc]

I guess you can get very unlucky sometimes, but you gotta pick your poison anyway, and JS3 makes rooms harder but lets you take off Heat of something that'll help you vs bosses or with your build.

[haughty sky]

hestia is one of the best aspects at calisthenics imo

you can try to reason it out with 20% more enemies vs 15% more hp multiplied by whatever but it’s unfortunately not that simple

what does the rest of your pact look like?

[mossy zinc]

Personally I'd probably do JS3 CP1 tbh.

CP1 minimum anyway because hell mode.

[distant pelican]

i dont have a hell mode file

[haughty sky]

speedrun modpack has a hell mode toggle

if you’re set on unmodded you could install and toggle then uninstall, or download a maxed hell mode file

[distant pelican]

im on console

[distant pelican]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/912760428982050836/1060010494867537951/image0.jpg

[mossy zinc]

I'd do EM4 RI0.

[haughty sky]

i’d js2 cp0

[distant pelican]

ive asked around and apparently em4 hesty sucks

also ive done em4 a total of one times

[mossy zinc]

Depends on the damage you get before EM4.

[haughty sky]

it’s hestia, it’s one of the best aspects

[distant pelican]

gotten to last phase hades with this pact once

[haughty sky]

i wouldn’t do em4 unless you know it well

[mossy zinc]

If you don't get good damage, then EM4 Hestia can be awfully slow.

[distant pelican]

i think once angel adviced against em4 for 50

main thing is that i havent learned em4 at all tho

[mossy zinc]

m just telling you what I would do. EM3 RI2 is fine, too.

[distant pelican]

yeah

[mossy zinc]

If you're not doing EM4, though, I'd consider JS3 CP2 tbh.

[distant pelican]

oof

ely is already pretty painful

[mossy zinc]

That'll let you do AP1.

[distant pelican]

instead of what tho

i see

[mossy zinc]

Neverending unarmored Strongbows and Brightswords are gonna suck either way.

[distant pelican]

most of my runs i kinda just get good aphro and almost everything else is fodder

dont think ap1 will help too much outside of early game

[mossy zinc]

AP1 vs AP2 makes a huge difference because you can actually get some semblance of a build.

[distant pelican]

sometimes i straight up just dontnhave enough boons

like i had epic hermes dash, divine dash and aphro attack in aspho midbio and had to purge one

[mossy zinc]

Hence why I would do EM4 RI0. Not getting enough boons is just something you sign up for with RI2.

Anyway, lots of options that can work. You're just gonna have to pick your own poison.

[distant pelican]

#h1-high-heat-strategies message
i was really considering it here apparently

damn its been a long time

i keep just coming back to it every week or two for a couple of days

should probably just sit down and get it done

[lone bridge]

em4 is just really difficult

especially not good on hesty where it just likes to aim at pots

[distant pelican]

ah ive experienced that

i wish there was a way to decrease the aim assist window or something

[mossy zinc]

Or you can think of it this way: AP1 lets you get Clockets much more easily, and then you just delete EM4.

[distant pelican]

just get clockets

what is the chance to get clockets actually

with ap0

[mossy zinc]

100% if you keep trying until you get it.

[distant pelican]

[lone bridge]

one sec lemme calculate this

[mossy zinc]

Not a question of if but when.

You're not trying to win every run, you're just trying to win a run.

[distant pelican]

wise words

i dont think i reset often enough until quite recently

once i went into ely with just doom special

[lone bridge]

14.3% i think

[distant pelican]

wouldnt the chance change depending on if you get cluster or rocket first

also thats much higher than i thought itd be

[mossy zinc]

I don't really reset on high heat unless I see m timing out anyway.

Might as well play out runs for practice.

[haughty sky]

it’s like 10 potential hammers vs 11 or something

so not much better for cluster first

[lone bridge]

its reasonable to reset if you get ap2ed into something awful

[distant pelican]

i only really reset in tart

[haughty sky]

especially unmodded your builds are often gonna be p bad

[shy gulch]

resetting on high heat means dying

[mossy zinc]

Unmodded I'd reset more, yeah.

[distant pelican]

resetting in unmodded is kinda painful sometimes too

gotta wait a minute for this wringer to choke me out

[mossy zinc]

Quick Reset is leaderboard legal at least if you're on PC.

[lone bridge]

btw this is also 6.4% for ap1 and 1.6% for ap2 i think

[mossy zinc]

I'd just kill the Wringers and reset in next room, probably faster lol.

[haughty sky]

starting arty is a good option in unmodded if you get sick of first boon woes

or the classic coin purse

[distant pelican]

ive tried that

[mossy zinc]

No.

[distant pelican]

then i just get second boon woes

[forest token]

Pull a retrash

[mossy zinc]

Must always start Eternal Rose.

[forest token]

Disgusting

[distant pelican]

i do

got crush shot 4 times in a row today but we move

[mossy zinc]

Crush Shot best Cast.

[distant pelican]

i want my gun to kill things not my stones

[mossy zinc]

God, Chariots worst balanced enemies in the game, I swear.

[mossy zinc]

leaves Tartarus with only Heartbreak Flourish and Hunter Dash and has to purge one
“Oh no, I only have 2 boons!”
gets common Greatest Reflex > Eurydice
“Hurray, I only have 2 boons!”

[mossy zinc]

lmao 2x 150 damage from green urn that just spawned + 80 from spin. GGs.

[hexed sapphire]

em4 hestia takes like 4 minutes

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, if you don't get good damage, it's slow.

[weary ermine]

Charon fight tips? I suck😭 boatman gets me

[surreal spear]

Yep, hard agree

Tho i'd take the chariot over the Jumping bombers in Asph and archers in Ely draining my time having to chase them

Drives me mad

[hallow plover]

ok so
I've never discussed hades with someone who plays hades
how high is ''high heat''?
furthest I got is 11, tried skipping to 16 for skelly statue but got beat by EM Hades :^)

[surreal spear]

First off, never go EM4. EM 1 and 2, max 3. If you only go deadline 5 mins, Overtime 40% and EM 2 and hard labour 20% thats already 16 (assuming you can clear each region in 5 mins, which you should be able to sinve overtime makes everything spawn and move faster)

imo thats the easiest 16 heat, as long as you get used to everything being faster

[hallow plover]

but the music is so cool duly noted
I don't know if I play fast enough to win it that fast, I'll have to try and see

is it because of time or difficulty?

that I shouldn't EM4 I mean

[surreal spear]

Itll take some getting used to, but you will need it for later, there's no other way . Overtime really makes everything go by fast, just dont waste time and ull crush it

[surreal spear]

Both

if you are going up to 32 heat do not take em4, after that idk when they add it in

[hallow plover]

32 is third statue?

[surreal spear]

yeah

[hallow plover]

oh this is gonna be a long grind.

not that I'm complaining, it's an amazing game so I'm down for the ride

[surreal spear]

U got this

[hallow plover]

I've gotten used to Varatha with Achilles, with the whole throwing yourself to be faster

Thanks, I'll make sure to try out your tips

[surreal spear]

Hows your mirror looking?

Add a sc

[hallow plover]

ah that'll be a bit hard rn, I'm at work

I have everything done except the rerolls, so I use fated authority instead

[surreal spear]

All good, just wanted to see what setup you're using

[hallow plover]

mhm
I guess I sort of autopilot the setup, play what I feel comfy with

but since I can't sc I guess it doesn't matter rn

I usually try to find an invulnerability call to clutch out Hades (Athena, Ares, Poseidon)

Divine Dash, AoE cast

I have NO idea if this is relevant information, I don't know anything about the meta

though, what's your usual trinket to take?
I always run Pom Blossom for the free upgrades

[surreal spear]

If you take a god keepsake, it forces that god to be the first one you see in that region.
So usually i want a specific build, so i'd take lets say athena in Tartarus, and Ares in Asphodel for twin fists, usually go acorn in Elysium and whatever in Styx

If im on Eris rail, ill take Zeus keepsake in tart to give me his attack. Later i can force Poseidon/Artemis if i dont get em

[surreal spear]

Those calls are good if you arent confident, but later you'd be much better off having a call that will nuke a boss with a full gauge(Artemis, Aphro etc)

Zeus and Dio have great calls

[gaunt fiber]

Would not recommend arty for high heat

Also Aphro is niche

You'd be better off with Poseidon Athena Zeus and Dio

Athena is great when your build deals damage because it allows you to DPS safely. The goal is not be invulnerable all the time, you have to kill things

[mossy zinc]

There's no definite cut-off for this channel. For what it's worth, though, our high heat leaderboard starts at 32.

[surreal spear]

Eh i mean he's at 16

[mossy zinc]

That's where strategy begins to diverge a lot from lower heat runs.

[surreal spear]

Tho nyaanyaa is here im skiddadling

[mossy zinc]

Artemis' Aid is amazing for burst damage in high heat if you can get a couple poms on it. Can help a ton vs EM4 especially. Question is if you can get those poms on it and what's the opportunity cost.

So it'll be good to pick up in some runs and bad in others.

[hallow plover]

I'll see you in a couple of days then.

[mossy zinc]

Aphrodite's Aid is great burst damage without requiring any poms at all. And Charm can help a lot vs Chariots and Elysium boss at Lv.1. If you want to use Charm vs EM4, though, you'll want high rarity and a couple poms on it.

[hallow plover]

I'll be avoiding EM4 though, at least for now
I don't think it's too feasible for me to consistently beat EM4 Hades, even if it adds a whole 4 heat

I've been given a few heat tips for 16 as a start (I'm only up to 11 but skipping seems fun) and I'll climb up from there

[mossy zinc]

If it's just EM4 and not much else, it's a reasonable fight and can be a lot of fun.

[surreal spear]

Is there a specific point where i want to use Hades call vs Hades? or just whenever

[mossy zinc]

If you want to get into high heat eventually, turn on EM2 FO2 TD3 minimum every run and never take them off. That'll be good practice.

[jaunty falcon]

Just don’t use it before he is about to go invulnerable or directly after a “darkness”

[hallow plover]

yeah, it's why I keep it up as of right now haha
I love the challenge and it's fun to let the guy win every now and then

[mossy zinc]

Hades' Aid vs Hades is more of a speedrun thing.

[surreal spear]

im trying to get into it regardless, best time so far is 10:00:70 lol

Just asking for no reason tho

[mossy zinc]

Keepsake meta is basically: god 1 > god 2 > Hourglass or Acorn > Acorn.

In speedruns or very high heats (like 50+), there'll be some differences.

[jaunty falcon]

What weapon are you using for speedruns

[hallow plover]

that answers my question very well, thanks a lot

[mossy zinc]

Great compilation of meta builds and some off-meta builds that are somewhat popular or decent. https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide

[hallow plover]

tysm, I'll look into this

[gaunt fiber]

Sure but this is the high heat channel

I'm like, giving general advice. Pretty much every boon can be good given the situation

[surreal spear]

No need to continue this after 4 hours

[gaunt fiber]

Then don't ping me maybe

[severe wedge]

Any suggestions for 50 heat? Just got done doing 40 on every weapon but 50 is absolutely kicking my ass

I dont even make it out of Tartarus most runs

[hoary pasture]

What wep are you using and what does your pact look like

[severe wedge]

rotating between eris, rama, and zeus

basically i just took max everything besides routine inspection, jury summons, em4, and heightened security

[hoary pasture]

So for all of these you dont want maxed Calisthenics program, so you'll want to throw in HS if possible

CP is a very big time sink

For Eris that pact would be fine.
For Zeus you can do EM4 somewhat easily, so you can go for EM4 AP1 RI0. If you dont want that then the pact is also fine.
For Rama you can handle RI because the weapon doesnt need much, and scales heavily from hammers. So you can do AP1 RI2 CP1 JS2 or Hell mode AP1 RI2 CP1 JS1, both fine options.

[tardy wyvern]

Whats a good 32 heat set up for eris rail?

[shy plinth]

For 32 the pins have some good guidelines and Eris is one of the strongest aspects overall so you have quite a few options based on your comfort

It's capable of handling DC if you'd prefer that over some volume of hard labor/forced overtime/whatever, though tbh I prefer just sticking with a typical no-DC pact and shredding enemies because Eris

[tardy wyvern]

Id rather drop a couple hard labors. Im pretty comfortable with max forced overtime since I always play with it on

[hoary pasture]

You can do HL1 FO2 then

[shy plinth]

In that case, the pact I recommend for 32 is likely to be quite nice for you

And you get to go CF0 too

CF0 rules

[hoary pasture]

Will help on Eris

[shy plinth]

EM3 TD3 MM BP2 UC LC4 HL1 FO2

[hoary pasture]

If you like to live on the edge do HL0 HS

[shy plinth]

Makes asphodel resets faster lol

[hoary pasture]

yee efficiency

For real tho it's not that bad if you have some practice with it, but you'll probably die a couple of times in styx, and a couple of times to hades pots and maybe a couple of times in elysium before actually learning to be deliberate with your dashes

worth it

[tardy wyvern]

Im pretty practiced with eris, just not with high heat

Highest I've gone is 21 and that was ages ago

[hoary pasture]

Start with this and give it some attempts see how it feels

[tardy wyvern]

Will do once Im home

May start off with like 20 heat and work up to that heat setup

[shy plinth]

I'd def recommend that, especially if you're not used to SD

[tardy wyvern]

SD?

Oh

[shy plinth]

Stubborn Defiance

[tardy wyvern]

Yeah

[hoary pasture]

That'll be how you heal with LC4

[shy plinth]

The pins have a progression chart for increasing heat

Will help you build up over time

[tardy wyvern]

Yeah I saw

Im assuming I'll be building eris about the same and going with a similar gameplan to usual

[hoary pasture]

Yup, at 32 you wont be taking any modifiers that affect the build aside from UC, which is easy to manage still

So start with Zeus and look for Poseidon and Aphro/Arty

And more Zeus

[tardy wyvern]

Why arty?

[hoary pasture]

Good for your Special

If you get lucky with hammers your Special is gonna do a ton of damage

[tardy wyvern]

I feel like aphro would be almost entirely better. Weak seems really nice, and it opens up things like smair

But I'll keep arty in mind

I've heard demeter is good on high heat. Why is that?

[hoary pasture]

They're both strong options, Arty is usually more damage and opens up Lightning Rod which is a great boon

Chill is a strong status

Especially when you have FO2

[tardy wyvern]

Interesting

[hoary pasture]

And her Attack/Special have good % with rarity

[tardy wyvern]

Surely her cast is good on high heat

[hoary pasture]

Her cast is alright when paired with the proper weapon and build. So as long as the pact doesnt restrict your build too much it's a solid pick, usually only on Achilles

[tardy wyvern]

I never tried it on achilles tbh. Tho tbf I never tried it period

Is athena still good for deflect?

[hoary pasture]

Yes

[severe wedge]

Oh I did CP1 sorry

i never max calisthenics program, on 40 heat i didnt even take CP1 most of the time

[hoary pasture]

Yea it's not worth

Big pain to deal with

[hexed sapphire]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/972150704603025478/1060435584709038090/image.png

Guess What
Happened Next

(ffhm is basically high heat)

[forest token]

pot?

[mossy zinc]

Zagreus did a backflip, snapped the bad guy's neck, and saved the day.

[severe wedge]

whats ffhm

[mossy zinc]

Fresh file hell mode.

[mossy zinc]

Nyaanyaa Mewmew — 12/31/2022 12:11 PM
@surreal spear btw Eris wants Fiery Presence, not Shadow. The Special can't backstab anyway.

[surreal spear]

Lmao didnt switch again. I was just levelling keepsakes and was on gloves beforehand

[mossy zinc]

Malphon also likes Fiery to speed up Tartarus. And Shadow doesn't really matter too much for bosses.

[surreal spear]

Alright ill keep fiery on for good seeing as i only use those two lol

[mossy zinc]

Difference between killing Numbskulls in one Dash-Attack and not killing Numbskulls in one Dash-Attack.

[surreal spear]

Also i had 20% hard labour and the timer which removed survival rooms. Idk what that pact was lol

[mossy zinc]

RTA pact with HL1 for fun.

[torpid ridge]

cloner speeder witches are going to be the death of me

one day I'll make it past tartarus

[hoary pasture]

Surely

[mossy zinc]

Literally.

A very effective solution to Cloner Speeder Witches is to just die and not meet that combo again on your next run.

You'll deal with them much better with experience and practice, but they're still some of the most deadly encounters, especially in certain chambers.

[hexed sapphire]

I just reset

cloner seeker too

[forest token]

What about speeder seeker

[hexed sapphire]

Just kill them

[forest token]

Literal machine gun

[torpid ridge]

made it to heroes this time 🥲

any advice for avoiding Asterius' charge on FO2

I've just been dashing back and forth through a pillar and praying he hits it

with em3 if that matters

[hoary pasture]

That's usually what I do

You can also use a wall but I found pillars easier to pull off

Make sure you're dashing back and forth in the same direction, you basically want him to do a 180 turn

It's normal to get hit by it tho, you cant expect to avoid everything, that's why acorn is so good

[surreal spear]

Just dash at the last second, dont panic dash

[quiet mountain]

i try to do figure 8 between two pillars

minimizes him doing 360 around one pillar ime

[torpid ridge]

hmm alright ty

[cursive horizon]

did someone ever accomplish

the full heat or no ?

[hoary pasture]

Unseeded no

A route has been completed by Baj on Zeus shield

[cursive horizon]

you mean no one accomplished +63 heat

[forest token]

angel did 63 heat

[hoary pasture]

63 has been beaten

[cursive horizon]

ive tried myself never got further then 6 room

[hoary pasture]

64 is the max

[cursive horizon]

how do you get 64 ?

[forest token]

hell mode

[hoary pasture]

Hell mode

[cursive horizon]

oh

hm

[hoary pasture]

You choose that when creating a file or toggle it using mods

[cursive horizon]

oops

[cursive horizon]

oh yea it's hella hard

quick question

when puttin no heat mode

why does it say

i cant put god mode cus im in hell mode

[hoary pasture]

God mode is incompatible with Hell mode

The idea is god mode makes the game easier and hell mode makes it noticeably harder so why would you run both

[cursive horizon]

oh yea I know

but uh

i never turned it on on this file

so why wont it let me use it

[hoary pasture]

Then it might just be a reminder

Oh

So your file is non hell mode but you cant turn it on?

[cursive horizon]

yup

[hoary pasture]

That's odd

[cursive horizon]

granted I beat the game completely and i am going on a non heated run

[hoary pasture]

hmm

[cursive horizon]

i can show you if you want

[shy plinth]

Hell mode does not have non-heated runs

[cursive horizon]

gimme a second

This is the savefile

[shy plinth]

You won't be able to upload images directly here, you'll have to host it on imgur or something and link it

[cursive horizon]

Oh i can't send images uhhhhhhhhhh

Crap

I can't do that

[hoary pasture]

You can upload on another discord server

like your own

[cursive horizon]

Oh true true

[hoary pasture]

and copy media link

[cursive horizon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/803363137746370580/1060671239674417272/IMG_20230105_162545.jpg

Save file

No heat
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/803363137746370580/1060671239674417272/IMG_20230105_162545.jpg

Crap

[shy plinth]

Are you trying to turn hell mode on for that file or god mode

[cursive horizon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/803363137746370580/1060671240018329730/IMG_20230105_162603.jpg

[shy plinth]

Hell mode isn't a toggleable option

[cursive horizon]

No heat

[shy plinth]

You choose hell mode when you make the save

[hoary pasture]

From what I understood godmode

Which would be odd here

[cursive horizon]

And the last image won't let me activate god mode

[shy plinth]

Start the run first

[cursive horizon]

It is started

[shy plinth]

What's the error message

[cursive horizon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/803363137746370580/1060671240303554570/IMG_20230105_162638.jpg

[hoary pasture]

hmm

[shy plinth]

Is this modded?

[cursive horizon]

Nope

I am completely serious

[hoary pasture]

Could try asking in #h1-tech-support, I've never seen such a thing before

[shy plinth]

No clue

[cursive horizon]

It's on my steam deck if u were wondering

[hoary pasture]

But probs verify file integrity if you can idk

[cursive horizon]

Uhhhhhhhhh

i can try and do a heated run to see if it activates

still wont let me...

what the hell

well shoot

[mossy zinc]

If you're fighting Speeder Seeker Witches, send a bug report because that's not a valid combo.

[mossy zinc]

Modded. Kinda disingenuous to just say 63 was cleared without clarifying it was modded.

[cursive horizon]

Yes i thought it was a non modded run

[hallow plover]

I beat that setup first try with 00:00 on the clock with no DD left
what a rush.

not to mention I was given two of them from Pat and another from Athena

[honest charm]

the leaderboards won't tell you, but that's quite fast

[forest token]

sub10 is pretty fast compared to the average player yeah

a lot of people struggle to get below like 15 minutes

consistently anyways

[severe wedge]

I have like 300 hours in the game and have barely gotten sub 10

9:59 on the Eris Rail and like 9:10 on one of the Fists, have never gotten sub 9

those are my only two

[jaunty falcon]

well 9:10 is pretty close

not barely sub 10

[severe wedge]

yeah but ive only gotten sub 10 twice

[jaunty falcon]

im sure if you practice and put some time in the times will come

[severe wedge]

the 9:10 run pissed me off bc my controller died twice during the Hades fight so I feel like I could've gotten even closer to sub 9

[jaunty falcon]

ahhh rip

[honest charm]

presumably meant "barely ever"

[jaunty falcon]

yeah

[honest kernel]

what all do i need to do to get malphons hidden aspect

[ripe ermine]

#h1-story-discussion message

[severe wedge]

Do I take Chain Shot or Explosive Shot on Rama? Explosive's damage is tempting me but the charge up is super slow

[honest kernel]

btw for anyone that might want it, you can toggle hell mode on your save file with the speedrunning modpack

I saw the topic of hell mode above

[forest token]

chain

[desert shard]

Is there any difference between normal mod with pact and hell mod?

[surreal spear]

Hell mode: cant be turned off,God mode disabled, start game with pact + 5 mandatory conditions that are always on

[honest kernel]

also there's an extra pact with hell mode which is nice if you're going for really high heat

it removes the invulnerability you get from taking a bunch of damage in quick succession

[tardy wyvern]

Dang it is? I kinda always assumed sub 10 was kinda just the first big benchmark for getting decent at speedruns

[hoary pasture]

Well it is but that's still faster than the average player

[tardy wyvern]

Fair enough

[honest kernel]

mfw 40 minute clear

[modern junco]

Does vicious skewer work well with achilles spear? I'm doing a cast thing and wondering if I can get the +50% crit chance on cast after recovery

Or is the +50% crit for the dash while recovering?

[hoary pasture]

It's 50% crit chance on the Special recovery, ||and it's trash ||

[modern junco]

Thanks, I just took triple jab because at least it can't hurt, already have flurry

[hoary pasture]

As long as you have Flurry that's all that matters on Achilles

[modern junco]

I mean, I took flurry because there wasn't serrated or anything else good on offer, but I find it awkward to make flurry work well with achilles

I'm built around cast right now so there's that, and usually if I do melee I'm trying to do my special recovery, 4 dash attacks, rinse repeat

With flurry I find it hard to get a good flow that's refreshing the special often enough, but maybe I just need to practice it more

[hoary pasture]

It is difficult, Achilles is a lot of buttons

You basically do a minimum range special -> raging rush -> dash strike x2

And maybe throw a cast then repeat

[modern junco]

Right, that makes sense, but if I'm using dash strikes then isn't flurry jab irrelevant?

[hoary pasture]

Also Special recovery means recalling the special, you never do that on Achilles

[hoary pasture]

It's the opposite, Flurry is what makes it good

Because you get so many hits in

[modern junco]

What am I missing though, dash strike isn't affected by flurry jabs as far as I know. And yeah, you're right, I mean rush, not recovery

[mossy zinc]

Pretty much just double-tap Special.

[modern junco]

Right for minimum range special, that makes sense, but then if I have flurry I want to do 4 regular attacks instead or

OH

oh okay, 2 dash strikes

and flurry inserts an extra attack at the end of each

[mossy zinc]

Just hold Attack and mash Dash tbh.

Double-tap Special again when necessary. Maybe throw a Cast here and there.

[modern junco]

Yeah I think I see now, the benefit of flurry is the seamless transition between attack and dash strike

Very different from how I've used achilles in the past, mainly icewine or serrated edge dash spam, but I see how this could be powerful

[mossy zinc]

Pretty sure it changes Dash-Attack unless you have Serrated Point, which takes priority.

[modern junco]

I think what it does is throw an extra attack pretty much immediately at the end of your dash

hence dash strike x2

I noticed the other day I took flurry while having serrated and the extra attack at the end of dash strike was annoying me

[mossy zinc]

Like I said, Serrated Point takes priority.

[modern junco]

Well yeah, but I don't think flurry jab is changing the dash strike, I think serrated is irrelevant, whatever dash strike you have, flurry will automatically add an attack at the end of it

my dash strike now looks and feels the same except for the extra attack at the end from flurry, and when I had serrated it was the same except for the extra attack as well

[mossy zinc]

I know it adds a jab at the end. Guess I never paid much attention to the animation.

Anyway.

Flurry Jab gud. Serrated Point cope.

[modern junco]

I dunno I still take serrated over flurry but I don't have that much playtime with spear. The 3x damage and wide hitting dash strike just seems too good to pass up

Getting them together is nice, but the achilles run I had the other day I had 4 dashes and serrated and I would rather have done special -> dash strike x4 instead of special -> dash strike x2

The only way I could keep the extra attack from coming out was to hit cast after getting the dash attack out, it would cancel it (without doing cast)

[mossy zinc]

Getting both together sucks.

[modern junco]

It would be good if not on achilles though yeah? The extra attack won't come out if you dash attack quickly enough in sequence so if you're not worried about the 4 attacks then buff cycle it just seems extra

[mossy zinc]

And idk what to tell you, if you enjoy Serrated Point, that's cool. But Flurry Jab is objectively way superior DPS.

Maybe just need to watch a Flurry Jab speedrun to see how it's used.

https://youtu.be/Sw71YcKj9xI

That one should be speedy.

[modern junco]

Yeah, I wouldn't agree even if the DPS in isolation was higher since there are other factors that make me prefer dash striking, but I'm still learning the game, I'll watch a vid of high play flurry jab and then see how I feel

👍 Thanks, I'll check it out after this run

[mossy zinc]

I mean Flurry Jab still Dash-Strikes.

Like I said, hold down Attack and mash Dash.

Pretty much.

[tardy wyvern]

Flurry jab just feels way better to play than serrated point

At least to me

[mossy zinc]

And I am not talking "DPS in isolation", m talking about DPS in an actual run.

[modern junco]

Fair enough, how it's being used is part of what I wanna watch to see, like I said, I can only give how it feels to me until I've seen what you're talking about

[mossy zinc]

There's a reason you just reset Achilles speedruns if you don't get Flurry Jab. Everything else is way slower.

[modern junco]

I mean DPS in isolation as that was the only thing you mentioned, is all

[mossy zinc]

I never said DPS in isolation. I said DPS.

[modern junco]

Okay

[mossy zinc]

You misinterpreting what I said doesn't mean I said it lol.

[modern junco]

Okay I explained why I took it that way I accept what you're saying

[mossy zinc]

There's no way get actual DPS in Hades from just looking at numbers because there's too many other factors like movement, AOE, how it deals with armor... Gotta look at actual results from the top level of play for that, and speedruns are ideal for that because aside from "just get all the free rooms", they're all about DPS.

[modern junco]

Yeah, that makes sense, DPS in any one scenario won't apply generally and that's a good way to look at DPS itself. The advice is good and I appreciate it.

What I had been speaking to was more that for some players DPS alone isn't the only factor, like players at lower levels of skill preferring defensive core boons or bursting or my original concern about wanting to not be outside of dash strikes since I don't like being vulnerable while doing the rapid attacks or combo (I get you're saying flurry is still dash focused, I didn't originally know that). I'm still thinking about my mixed feelings towards chiron where I felt exposed stopping to do the special and would feel better with another aspect that didn't have me doing that even if I wasn't doing speedrunner damage, that sort of thing.

I just cleared so I'm about to check out that run, thanks for linking it

[mossy zinc]

Dash-Strikes have no i-frames, so you're vulnerable just the same. And Serrated Point reduces your empty dash i-frames because it makes them shorter.

[modern junco]

I didn't know they didn't have i-frames, I figured they were just shorter, probably just feels that way since zooming around tends to be safer than being in one place in general

[mossy zinc]

Chiron you play pretty much just from far to mid range and never let them get close.

[modern junco]

That would explain why I've taken some hits while dash striking through certain things though, lol

[modern junco]

Yeah, that's how I ended up adjusting in the second half, it's not bad, I just didn't like the feel as much, but that might change with more runs

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, the game explains nothing about dash invulnerability, unfortunately.

[modern junco]

Most games still treat iframes as if they're a dirty secret for some reason lol

[mossy zinc]

For Dash-Attacks, you gain invincibility as soon as you press Dash and lose invincibility as soon as you press Attack.

So you can can use the first part to i-frame and the Dash-Attack near the end of your Dash.

[modern junco]

That makes intuitive sense, I can probably improve by attacking later in the dash in some situations then to get the iframes in the beginning as needed

yeah

I remember taking damage going through shockwaves when I could have just hit the attack button later

[mossy zinc]

But your Dash-Attack hurtbox is probably larger than you think, so it'll take practice to get the timing right.

Also btw.

Call activation and Summon both give i-frames.

More than a normal empty dash even, pretty sure.

[modern junco]

I am trying to learn to take advantage of that after ignoring it up till this point

I didn't know why people liked smoldering air until I realized you have some invincibiility

I have a bad habit of not using the call unless it's full

[mossy zinc]

I think it's pretty normal to forget about your calls and summons when you're still pretty new lol.

Smair definitely helps with learning to use your calls a lot more.

[modern junco]

Oh, I didn't even realize I was in high heat strategies, I shouldn't have even been referencing lower levels of play here my bad. Yeah I'm going for smair in this next run trying to make a point to improve on it, thanks again for the advice

[jaunty falcon]

Flurry jab makes dash strikes and attacks happen at the same time, each are 3x faster

[modern junco]

Flurry jab is making the transition between dash strike -> strike -> dash strike ... much faster and that results in overall 3x faster? I don't have a spear up with flurry jab, but I was watching the video Nyaanyaa linked and that seems to be what is happening.

[jaunty falcon]

Yeah p much

[peak sail]

for the extreme heat fated list it has to be max extreme het?

[forest token]

for the prophecy, you only have to take 1 level

you dont have to max out any pact

[peak sail]

it didnt work

ive beat elysium with 2 extreme measures but it hasn check off

[forest token]

you have to beat the run dont you

[peak sail]

i have

oh nvm

[forest token]

wait is this the one where you have to beat em3 theseus or just like

[peak sail]

it has to be extreme measure 3

[forest token]

use every pact

yeah that's what i just realized

em2 isn't gonna do anything for that

[peak sail]

yeah just learned that em2 goes up to hydra

makes sense

[desert shard]

can we turn a normal save in hell mode?

[forest token]

only if you download the speedrun modpack

otherwise you cant

you'd have to start a new save and turn on hellmode when creating the save

[modern junco]

Is it true you can reroll starting hammer with a perfect landing when starting a run? I just heard of this and sounds like it would be more widely known if that was the case

Looks like at least perfect landing messages were patched out some time ago, so I'm guessing if this ever was true, it isn't any longer

[shy plinth]

"perfect landing"?

[forest token]

I mean if that did exist, that might change the hammer because of how rng manip works? Like dialogue lines and whatnot

Never heard of that tho

[shy plinth]

It appears to have been an Easter egg pseudo achievement deep in early access

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/a9gqz2/when_i_press_space_as_he_lands_when_u_start_a_new/

[modern junco]

Yeah, I guess it used to be a thing but couldn't find anything recent about it and saw some patch notes about its removal. According to some it would reroll the starting hammer, but have no idea if that's actually true

[shy plinth]

This appears to be very long ago

[mossy zinc]

You don't need the full speedrun modpack, just the Hell mode toggle.

[severe wedge]

oh nah serrated is annoying af

basically taking one of the worst chaos curses for an entire run just for more dash strike damage

[hexed sapphire]

not really

[desert shard]

Can't that be toggled only on a new save like bananas said?

[desert shard]

Then i am very very old lol
I almost forgot perfect landing was a thing (even if i liked them)

[mossy zinc]

m saying you just need the mod that can toggle Hell mode. It's included in the speedrun modpack, but you can also just get it without the full modpack.

[undone bolt]

Out of curiosity, what’s the highest heat y’all have beaten?

[forest token]

51 for me

[mossy zinc]

High Heat leaderboards are pinned.

There's a sheet for player & weapon records on there.

[forest token]

Oh yeah they're pinned here lmao

[left prism]

50 modded, 45 unmodded iirc

[hoary pasture]

55 55

[cursive horizon]

11

[distant pelican]

45

[jaunty falcon]

3

[shy plinth]

40

[pseudo kernel]

51

[distant pelican]

these 51 nerds

[forest token]

gotta get that hotw yaknow

[hoary pasture]

Someone gotta break that hotw we cant have half the high heaters tied at 55 like that

[violet sky]

8 🤘 /j

[shy gulch]

50 for me

[mossy zinc]

Sorry, sir, this isn't the low heat channel.

[hexed sapphire]

60 55

my unmodded heat Pb was 40 2 days ago

[hexed sapphire]

wtf how do you have 40 heat

[forest token]

HAHAHA

[mossy zinc]

If you have at least a screenshot, they can go on the "victory screen only" sheet.

Those won't affect the weapon & player records sheet, though.

Is it 32+ Heat or some kind of challenge like mirrorless?

Then it'll just be filtered out if you submit it.

[honest kernel]

57 unmodded, 62 modded, 64 routed for me

Maybe I can do 62+ unmodded at some point but I kinda want the practice from modded first (and, you know, actually clear 63+ modded )

[hexed sapphire]

I should get on the shield pill but I have an addiction to close to meta aspects

[hexed sapphire]

speedrunning modpack is available at https://www.speedrun.com/hades/resources
all of its features can be toggled on or off and it includes:

• guaranteed 2 sack
• guaranteed first hammer
• first boon offers all 4 core boons
• removes tiny vermin, asterius, and barge of death minibosses
• shows fountain rooms
  there are also a few qol features such as a quick reset feature and the ability to toggle hell mode, as well as a colorblind mode.

this is what people refer to when they say modded

[hoary pasture]

Routed is a seeded run where rng manipulations are done to get certain things like perfect skips, lots of chaos, good enemies etc

[plucky seal]

Hi

Is there any resource where I can check the highest heat clears?

[hoary pasture]

The sheets pinned here

[plucky seal]

Got it, thanks!

[violet sky]

what are perfect skips?

oh right! thank you :) so like Eurydice (etc), fountains, midshop?

[hoary pasture]

Yes, having none of them collide with each other and having all of them show up at good times is a perk of routed runs.

[forest token]

wtf do i take from patty if i have 3 DDs and 213/240 hp

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1061813854482472991/image.png?width=1191&height=670

pact and build btw

yes it's cursed

like hydralite doesnt sound like a bad idea because i might get heavily shafted in the upcoming rooms

[hexed sapphire]

jerky

[forest token]

aight

ngl i didn't expect to get this far

[hexed sapphire]

Wtf is that

[forest token]

MiKe and Shackle's idea

also anything i should be wary of for em4 lmfao

i've never done em4 this high and actually won

[hexed sapphire]

beware of butterfly ball

[forest token]

oh damn yeah

also when's the best time to use meg

end of phase 1?

i've seen haelian do that but i want other opinions

ah fml lost a dd

got hit twice total during heroes fight this is splendid

does one take tooth or acorn into em4 tho

let's take acorn and see what happens

i hope i die in phase 1

no athena in styx damn

hope i find a well to refill dd then

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1061817506987245700/image.png?width=1191&height=670

there's no way this goes well

[shy plinth]

[jaunty falcon]

No call

[forest token]

pain

bro idk em4 moveset this is so bad

doom and block?

aight i lost acorn before the first part of phase 1

and got hit for 73

BUTTERFLY BALL

99 hp and i have 2 phases left

this isn't happening

1 spear throw is like 100 damage lmao

aight got hit by a wave for 49 lmao

oh he hit me through the shield

well that's unfortunate

rip epic chaos strike and rd

who would've thunk

artemis

marked good

[jaunty falcon]

Athena

[forest token]

or that

[jaunty falcon]

DC

[forest token]

also why hellmode at 42

40 is all of that minus dc, cp, pl, and js

uses either js1 or cf1

so could do like js2 cf1

[haughty sky]

dc beo

[forest token]

Nectar probably

Or pom

Other stuff probably idk

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1057195165611212840/image.png

For 42 take hs and js2

No dc no cp no hell mode

Yeah but add that on top of my pact

Fun

Yeah

Def take ap1 and passion lmao

Pstatus

I never did beo 45

With passion anyways

I think

Gamer

Free win

Smair time

[haughty sky]

c1 cloner seeker witches and took too much damage for the chaos gate

[hexed sapphire]

uhhh

shield doesn't work if your casts are popping

Yeah

that's like half of why beo heat sucks

things go through the shield while your casts are doing damage

trippy sux too

next time u play trippy look out for the flare cancellation bug

if u dash around the time trippy flare is popping sometimes it just disappears

it's actually unplayable

the flare

so you just don't do damage

when u dash right as the stone pops u cancel the flare

also happens with trippy shot but it's slightly different

[severe wedge]

dam im slow af how u get 6:47

only 192 clears too, i have 152 but only 2 sub 10s and zero 50 heat clears

i knew i sucked but jesus christ

[forest token]

A lot of practice and good rng

Also modded

Also beo

[forest token]

This is my second save file, I use this only for modded gaming

On my separate save I have about 200ish

I have 1 sub10 on that before I switched to modded

[severe wedge]

oh yeah the mod must help a lot

doesnt it show u which chambers are fountains?

[forest token]

Yeah

Doesn't show fountain if you have enshrouded curse tho

Which I got through enshrouded lmao

I should try an unmodded run and see my time

Cshot not being guaranteed is gonna suck

[severe wedge]

32 heat guan yu took way more tries than i thought it would

i died on hades last third of his hp on the 1st attempt so i kinda lost morale for a bit after that but damn

[hexed sapphire]

average modded zoomer needing cshot

[severe wedge]

i need it for chaos and beo too ngl

[forest token]

I can probably get a decent time without it but I'm too accustomed to using it lmao

[forest token]

@upper juniper what if i took a roiling of +61% more foes for +38% atk

js3 cp2 bp2 as well ofc

only c9 tart screw it

[mossy zinc]

Bruh.

[forest token]

getting a survival room with a shield with js6 helps a lot

[haughty sky]

roiling is a run ender

[forest token]

well it didn't end my run

it was actually really easy to deal with

i died anyways at heroes

next room was pretty easy, survival room i just blocked in a corner

and then first room of aspho was pretty easy

js3 cp2 bp2 dc2 is actually such a pain tho

nothing dies

[severe wedge]

how do u get a sufvival room with tight deadline on

[forest token]

i dont have td on

[forest token]

okay if i didn't lose my DDs to bs things i would've won

my strat for em4 has become turtle in a corner and spam cshot

with lightning rod

done with attempts for tonight tho

pain

[severe wedge]

why wouldnt you take td lol

[modern junco]

As someone who happily used jury summons and em for my first levels of heat, isn't this why JS isn't really recommended once things get harder?

[forest token]

this is a meme pact

by MiKe and Shackle

and it is pain

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1061740857633550406/IMG_8265.png?width=377&height=670

JS3 BP2 CP2 DC2 HL5 FO2

[modern junco]

Oh god

[forest token]

made it dad 2/3 times

first time, died at the start of phase 2 basically