h1-for-new-players

[calm imp]

whats the strat for the minotaur + theseus boss fight?

[simple palm]

oh you mean strategy? Are you using melee or range?

Oh but the most important strat is to fight behind the pillars, so ||Theseus arrow|| can't hit you. Therefore you can focus to attack and dodge ||minotaur attack||

In my experience, range attack gives you better awareness of your surrounding

[calm imp]

im using bow

[simple palm]

So you can avoid ||thesseus arrow|| while keep attacking mino.

[calm imp]

i focused the ||minotaur|| and killed it but ||theseus|| is too damn hard

so i wondered if theres a better strat or if im just bad

😩 ig i just need learn his counterpkay

[simple palm]

its hard to fight ||theseus|| with range, since most of the time he will block it.

[calm imp]

yeah

so i just played passive and hid until he wasnt blocking but those times seemed very far and few between

[simple palm]

For me, i'm just going to his back and keep attacking him. Or after he throw his spear at us, he will walk back. You can backstab arrow him with ease

[simple palm]

if you trigger his ||god call||, you can start playing aggresively. Since he will lower his ||shield and do nothing||

[calm imp]

wait the sheild only works on one angle?

💀 oh ok

so can u just dash through him and just

go crazy?

[simple palm]

of course..... if shield can block on any angles, it will be op bro hahaha

[simple palm]

yeah, but recommended when he is using his ||god call||. The explanation is above

[calm imp]

yeah that explains a lot ._.

o alr

thanks a bunch

🙏

[simple palm]

no worry. Also imo keep less aggresively and pay attention to ||theseus range attack|| while fighting ||mino||.

After ||mino|| down, its up to your plalystyle

[dusty vault]

Btw only need to spoiler mark end boss and onward

[mild cave]

Finally made it pass elysium, and finally at the end gate. 👋 Here we go

[mild cave]

|| And died right at 50% dang ||

[glossy copper]

is there a way to guarantee a certain god's boon for a run?

[viscid notch]

Their keepsake

If you take Artemis’ keepsake for example, your first boon is gonna be from her

Same for everyone else

Exceptions are Hermes and Chaos but they’re not like regular gods they work quite differently

[glossy copper]

ah nice

[leaden whale]

also worth noting if you don't take the boon given it will keep appearing until you do

[simple palm]

any recommendation for boons for rail?

[viscid notch]

What aspect are you playing

[simple palm]

aspect of zagreus maybe? or no aspect at all i think

I'm saving all of my titan blood to max chiron bow now

hehe

[viscid notch]

Okay start with Thunder signet and pick up Zeus' Attack, look for a beefy% Special, preferably Artemis or Aphrodite but any god with decent rarity works fine as long as it's % and not flat damage, for the dash you can look for Poseidon's Tidal Dash as it is pretty good damage and scales very well with poms, or you can alternatively get Athena because it's more defensive, for hammers on this build you want to avoid Spread fire as it reduces your bullet count and removes your ranges so it has no synergy with this, good hammers are Rocket Bomb and Cluster Bomb, if you get those 2 together you'll have 5 rockets with 80 base damage each so it adds up to a lot of damage, other good hammers are Targeting System, Delta, Hazard Bomb and the rest wont do much, as for more supports, Static Discharge from Zeus is very good, Zeus' Aid / Double Strike / Splitting, from Artemis you can look for Mark/PP/Support fire, if you get something like Dio in the pool you can take Strong Drink Vintage or his call is very strong, Athena call is good defensively, you can just wing it from here and take whatever sounds good

[simple palm]

Thanks for your sharing mate XD. Hold on let me read it first

[viscid notch]

As for poms, if you opt for Tidal dash you should pom that to lv3 atleast, pom your attack once, your Special once or twice (if you dont get good special hammers this Special wont be amazing damage so it might not matter), and the rest should go into Jolted and the Call as those have amazing scaling

[simple palm]

any recommended duo boons for rail other than zeus path? Cause currently I haven't get his keepsakes 😦

[viscid notch]

Well the Zeus path doesnt require any duo boons

You can get things like Sea storm but it really doesnt matter and it also needs another core sine the Dash doesnt open it so it's not something you actively aim for, also Poseidon has other things you want before picking up Flood Shot

Aka Shoals and Bwave

[simple palm]

Okay, 1 last question for rail. If i do not have zeus keepsakes, should i go to athena for divine dash route or take artemis deadly flourish instead?

[viscid notch]

Your attack is still gonna be your main source of damage so I would personally start with Dionysus attack and pom that as much as you can since Hangover pom scaling is linear except the first pom

And the rest is the same almost

as far as hammer priority goes and good supporting boons

Hangover stacks knock out each other so Dio's aid might not be as amazing here

You can take Trippy shot for the Legendary

If you see Ares or Aphrodite you can try to open up Curse of Nausea through Vengeance and Low Tolerance through Special or possibly Dash

Both improve your Hangover damage

[simple palm]

Okay, I'll try my rail playthrough with Dio keepsakes first.

Thanks agian MiKE, guess i'm confident with my rail play now.

Cheers mate 😆

[viscid notch]

gl

[quick drum]

not that it isnt OP already

[viscid notch]

Totally not op

[calm imp]

whats some good hammers with hera’s bow?

[polar finch]

flurry/triple usually what you want

[burnt thistle]

Can you actually get into the house of hades garden in the game?

[slate finch]

eventually

[cursive sedge]

The shield block is broken af, idc if blocks 360 degrees you’re still getting hit

[cursive sedge]

After the main story

[calm imp]

is there a wall for hades?

i legit lose like 4/5 of my hp without even noticing 💀

[viscid notch]

Spoiler the boss’ name

[gray haven]

And also the ||phases||.

[calm imp]

is there a way to reset rng?

like im not getting crush shot in the first boon and i wanna reset the run to get it

but the game keeps giving me the same boons

[viscid notch]

Die

giving up doesnt reset the rng

which is probably what you're doing

[calm imp]

any1 have any good builds for zeus shield?

[polar finch]

stick a buncha zeus on the special

[calm imp]

so u just

get zeus boons?

._.

[polar finch]

yas

[livid jackal]

zoos on zoos

[tranquil vault]

Zoos on zoos and zoos on the zoos

So get Static Discharge as well

[scenic sage]

[dusty vault]

Spoiler mark that name

[frosty girder]

Never used SD, what does it do exactly?

[polar finch]

single dd that recovers 30% of health instead of 50% but it regenerates every room

ur mirror explains it dont it

[wise flare]

hey does anyone have a save file thats just up to unlocking all the weapons with cthonic keys?

[frosty girder]

I read it as 30% health when you die

[median wraith]

Guys i just started the game anyone wants to join the journey with me?

👍 💯

[polar finch]

yeah the healing activates when you die like dd's but once per room

[sweet brook]

SD helps if you think you're gonna die in every single room you walk into, but it'll make boss fights harder since your health pool is much smaller compared to using DD

[frosty girder]

If you don’t die and just leave do you still recover the 30%

[viscid notch]

No

That's why if the room is about to end and you're at like 5/100 hp you just want to pop your SD so you go up to 30/100

[hard dragon]

60 clears in, and I just learned about the alternate options in the mirror

[steep musk]

60 clears as in beat the big boss or 60 runs

[hard dragon]

the former

[steep musk]

how

[hard dragon]

that's a good question. I have no recollection of when you are told those exist.

[steep musk]

please switch to darkforesight

[glossy copper]

how can i get the upgrade so that ||meg helps me in runs||?

[viscid notch]

Improve your relationship with her and gift her an Ambrosia

[glossy copper]

cool thx

[molten valve]

welcome

[dull oyster]

Hi How to get Hades' trinket ?

[steep musk]

get to the credits is the first step

[dull oyster]

Thx

[worthy patrol]

How do you end up giving Meg the Ambrosia?

I'm at the "Learn more by deepening your relationship with Meg"

Ah nevermind.

[shy knot]

||how much do the olympians have to love me for me to be able to do the queen's plan
do i have to hand each an ambrosia bottle?||

[viscid notch]

Yes

||Except Demeter||

Also you should probably spoiler all of that

[peak current]

what are the yellow jars i can gift

[tranquil vault]

The small yellow bottles are Nectar. It's drink for the gods. You can give it to folks to build up relationship

[dusk shuttle]

Whats a good aspect of Poseidon build?

[viscid notch]

You can start with Phalanx Shot and look for a Zeus core to open up Lightning Phalanx, pom your cast as much as possible, then just look for good supporting boons, most attacks are nice, Athena on Special is very good because it makes the aspect feel a lot safer, you can also shoot for Mirage shot but it's a bit too hard to get sometimes because it's 2 other gods that you're not starting with, Demeter is really nice for Snow Burst /Rav Will / Killing Freeze etc, just wing it, can always just do Merciful End too

[dusk shuttle]

Thanks!

[molten warren]

Hello, im kinda new at this. If i want to do the no hit run, do i have to install something or i can just make a normal run without getting hit? thank you

[muted latch]

Might be a more appropriate question for #h1-discussion

[molten warren]

okay thanks

[dusk shuttle]

Went well:) got a W! But is the tactic just to focus on the cast as main dmg, and then just dash around?

[viscid notch]

Well yes, the Aspect's passive is a +50% Cast damage bonus buff which is pretty substantial, and the Special also allows you to dislodge the casts which makes it quite nice for bosses while with some other aspects you'll just be waiting for them to pop off, Casts usually have very good pom scaling and having them as your source of damage it just makes sense to pom them all the time, the reason Phalanx Shot is considered one of the best if not the best Cast for Poseidon Sword is because of the big damage that it does, if you compare that with Zeus' Cast for example, Zeus' cast has really nice room clearing especially earlier in the run where enemies aren't as beefy, but when it comes to bossing and some tougher enemies the damage really falls off, so Phalanx does really well in bosses, and if you combine it with Zeus and get Lightning Phalanx it becomes incredibly strong in rooms too, another good cast to use on Poseidon Sword is Crush Shot, it has big damage too, and although it is short range it applies Weak on enemies which is active damage reduction so it's reasonably safe, also you should be one shotting most enemies and getting your casts back almost immediately then moving on to other enemies, it's only bosses where you have to be very deliberate, it's good to note that this is still a sword afterall and you should use your dash strikes to back up your cast damage when you have to or during cast downtime, so you can lead with a cast then follow up with 2 dash strikes to finish off the enemy, get your casts back and move on etc

Non-lodgable casts can also work fine, such as Slicing Shot + Hunting blades etc but the whole dislodging gimmick of the aspect isnt used in that case and the Aspect of Achilles uses those casts better due to the bigger buff (+150%) so yea they're not too popular on Poseidon Sword

[frank mountain]

um

whats the difference between god's pride and god's legacy

why would you not do legacy

[viscid notch]

Duos and Legendaries do not automatically make your build op or such, some builds don't really care about them, in fact, most meta builds use Pride

Duos also have prereqs, sometimes you cant get those consistently, like say Hestia or Eris, there is no duo that you really want, if something shows up like Heartrend you could take it but you dont really care about it from the beginning, Legendaries also have prereqs and they require the same god to show up multiple times, it's really inconsistent to fish for a legendary every run so yea

[frank mountain]

idk who hestia or eris is lol

in game*

[viscid notch]

Pride however, is pretty nice on literally anything you pick up, and the major ones being Chaos and Hermes, which have very low Epic odds otherwise, and they scale really well with rarity so pride helps

Eris and Hestia are rail aspects

[frank mountain]

ohh

[frank mountain]

noice

uhh

what do keys do now

now that i've bought all of the mirror upgrades

[viscid notch]

If you got those and the base weapons then they dont have any uses anymore, you still pick them up in runs tho because they give 1 fated roll after you unlock that upgrade from the contractor, the keys themselves arent used tho

[dusty vault]

can use them to trade at the lounge too

[fleet phoenix]

I have a question, i got the big bottle from the 3th boss and idk if i should keep it or not, any advice ?

[steep musk]

keep it

youll need it later

[fleet phoenix]

Okok thx

[leaden whale]

I have a quick question... Uhm

What does the honey do? I think it's honey

I gave one to "Sleep Incarnate" but I don't know what it did

It said I got a heart but I still only have 50

[dusty vault]

nectar gives you keepsakes that give small bonus to your run

[leaden whale]

Oh nectar that's right sorry lol

[dusty vault]

you can equip them in the glass thing next to the sword in the yard

normally you only can equip one at a time unless you have the contractor upgrade to allow switch beetween biomes

[leaden whale]

Are there ones that are better than others? Should I gift one person multiple times or get multiple different ones!

[dusty vault]

gifting multiple times will give you more story on that character but no more gifts (skelly mentions this) so if you want all go gifting everyone

the ones from the olympians/skelly/cerb/Asphodel story room are really good tho

[leaden whale]

You can gift to Olympians?

[viscid notch]

Yea

[dusty vault]

need to do it before picking their boon tho

[leaden whale]

Oh I see

What does each one do?

[dusty vault]

the olympias keepsakes allows you to guarantee the next boon you see is the one from that god (+ a bonus chance for rare boons)

[leaden whale]

Oh wow skelly is really good

[dusty vault]

and yeah you can read the other effects there

[leaden whale]

I was gonna give it to ares

So far ares and uhmmmm

The pink one

Those are my favorites

The one who wasn't wearing any clothes

[dusty vault]

thats certainly a way to remember someone

Aphro is great

[viscid notch]

[leaden whale]

Oh right Aphrodite

Who is best in the game?

That sissy bottom guy is pretty cool

[dusty vault]

if you mean god wise it varies a lot

[leaden whale]

I do

[dusty vault]

also who do you mean by this

[leaden whale]

The one who gives you heal or darkness or clones

Coins

[dusty vault]

ah

the dude

[leaden whale]

Yeah

I haven't had a very long run so dar

Far

But

Can I get multiple affects on one thing?

Like my Y doing doom and weakness?

[viscid notch]

No

[leaden whale]

Damn

[viscid notch]

So the base things that you can are effected by your core boons (the 5 slots on the far left), those slots get filled with whatever effect/rarity etc and the only way to change that is to get a swap like a god offering you their attack instead of another god’s attack or if you just sell the thing and find another one later

[leaden whale]

Oh and I can't have more than one effect for an attack from the same god

I have hangover on my attacks

Which is busted

[viscid notch]

The rest is just supporting boons and such, another major thing that will modify the base functions of a weapon is hammers, those are not in the core slots

[leaden whale]

But I got another Dionysus and he won't give me a Y or a B

What's Dionysus best supporting boobs?

Boons lol wtf

[viscid notch]

Are those slots filled? I play on kbm so I have no clue what those refer to

He has Premium Vintage and Strong Drink which are nice ones, Positive Outlook can also be okay

[leaden whale]

y is the jump attack and B is the cast

X is my main attack

And A is dash

[viscid notch]

So I’m assuming you’re on fists?

[leaden whale]

?

Wdym

[dusty vault]

what platform are you on?

[viscid notch]

Well he can offer any of those aside from the attack since you already have that, if the other slots are full then it’s a very low chance for a swap so he’ll just give you other stuff/T2s, also in general you shouldnt have multiple sources of hangover in the same build because of how the stacks work so you’ll end up with the smaller procs lowering the damage of the bigger procs such as the Call if those stacks knock each other off

[viscid notch]

Just meant the weapon

[leaden whale]

Nawh I use the sword

Haven't tried any others yet

[viscid notch]

Hangover attack is very nice on Fists for example but it’s mediocre at best on bow attack

Hangover attack on Sword is solid

[leaden whale]

Wait it's different on each weapon?

[viscid notch]

Well the boon itself is the same

But yknow, synergies

[leaden whale]

Well i assume the bow gets less procs

Because it's harder to hit more

Since swords hit less damage more times giving you more procs of hangover

[viscid notch]

To sum it up briefly, you have 2 main ways of doing damage, one is through flat damage, which is damage from other sources aside from the actual weapon, so Lightning Doom Hangover, and the other is through the damage of the weapon, so some weapons have very low base damage so trying to up that number isn’t worth it, so you refer to flat damage instead, these low base damage attacks are usually reasonably fast which makes them have good synergy with flat damage, some other weapons however have more beefy/slow attacks with bigger base damage so you try to make that stronger as opposed to referring to flat damage which would usually be harder to stack etc

For the basic sword (and other swords too), you should be dash striking, standing attacks are pretty weak and sluggish, not worth using overall, so you go around this rotation of Special followed by 2 Dash strikes or however many depending on how many dashes you have, and you throw a cast sometimes especially on chunkier enemies, those dash strikes have solid damage so both ways are viable here, you can go for flat damage or you can scale through +% buffs, most people prefer flat damage tho in this case

[leaden whale]

Wait there's multiple swords?

What is the thing that says descend?

[viscid notch]

After you unlock the base weapons for keys you can unlock their aspects which are alternate variations of the weapons with buffs etc, you’ll see for yourself soon enough

[leaden whale]

Oh that's cool

[viscid notch]

It’s a Chaos gate, Chaos can give you curses that last for a few chambers followed by a buff of some sort, usually they are worth taking but can be risky situationally, especially if you have to carry the curse into a boss fight for example

[leaden whale]

I got one that says my back attacks are stringer after 4 rooms but my rooms rewards are hidden

And then got a Daedalus hammer

So I chose the buff that gives me 100% better backattacks

To stack with the ither

Ayy I beat meg

[slate finch]

how much hp would you have if this was actually the case?

[leaden whale]

51

[slate finch]

no i was asking for every single heart in the game

just thought what you said was an interesting concept

[leaden whale]

Ohhh

Hmmm

Well probably like 150

I think there's like 5 for each character and there's at least 20 characters

[wise peak]

Basically it's a friend ship heart
Not sure if anyone had answered already

[leaden whale]

I figured that out but thanks mate

I realize now a "backstab" build is awful

So I assume it's a good idea to switch off of the lucky tooth after you use it?

[dusty vault]

i thiiiink you can refill it with "kiss of styx" from Charon wells but those are expensive

prob just better swapping

or yolo it to lvl it up

[leaden whale]

I've been leveling it up it's level 2 now

What's at the third level?

[dusty vault]

+100 hp recovered

[leaden whale]

Oh so no extra use?

Hmmm

[wise peak]

Theres one athena boon that makes them a lot better

Cant remember the name now but basically turns the enemy around

[dusty vault]

blinding flash boosts backstab dmg after hitting them with a deflect boon

[wise peak]

Ye that's the one I was thinking of

[leaden whale]

No I mean like, in general, it's just not good, since some bosses don't have backs, you are left totally vulnerable

Also is cursed slash good?

Idk double nova would be great since my special does a TON of damage

I'm gonna go with double nova

[dusty vault]

cursed slash can be good (and a lot of new players wins have happened with it) but it can be rough to use later

[wise peak]

All the main bosses do

[dusty vault]

as dash strikes are used more often and cursed slash doesnt apply on those

[wise peak]

Mini bosses most do

[dusty vault]

Hydra

[wise peak]

It doesnt ?

[leaden whale]

Bone hydra doesnt

No it doesnt

I just went against it

[wise peak]

I'd swear I got backstab from hitting the back of the head

[leaden whale]

What is the Titans blood used for?

[wise peak]

Buying aspects

[dusty vault]

unlocking and upgrading weapon aspects

need to get all weapons first

[wise peak]

It's the most valuable thing in the game in reality

[leaden whale]

I have all the weapons though and it didn't say anythig

[dusty vault]

all as in got the rail?

or you still have empty spots in the yard

[leaden whale]

Ooooh I have empty spots

How do I fill those?

[dusty vault]

if you have all current weapons unlocked just do another run

another one should be added once you are back

[leaden whale]

Oh okay

This is my first run after unlocking

Then all

[slate finch]

just did the math, you would get a total of +192 hp for every heart you give to your characters

this makes base hp 242, thick skin 292, with collar 342, and adding ||arthur|| to the mix 392 base hp

at least if i did my math right

[leaden whale]

We're that's really good lol

[slate finch]

just a little bit overpowered

[dusty vault]

Spoiler name of hidden aspects

[slate finch]

oh yeah sorry

[leaden whale]

Man this is hard

I only ever beat meg once

And it was cuz of dionysus

Dionysus OP

[leaden whale]

I have an important question

Positive Outlook from dionysus

If I use that with the Daedalus perk of the cursed sword or whatever

Aren't I ALWAYS AT 40% health?

Since it reduced your health by 60%

[dusty vault]

It will activate at 40% of your new max health ig

[leaden whale]

Ah I see

I beat the hyrdo!

Hydra*

[dusty vault]

Nice

[leaden whale]

Man y'know what

I hate the rooms where you have to "choose between gods"

They are rediculous

[leaden whale]

When I hit the fountain hades said "Your not permitted to leave Tartarus" why did that happen? It's never happened before

[dusty vault]

He just likes to talk sometimes

[leaden whale]

Oh so it's not done special encounter?

[waxen wing]

I just started hades (coming from league of legends), and I am not used to the movement at all, so i keep whiffing my cast because I'm used to moving wherever I right-click.

therefore, i die very very frequently

i know you get stronger when you die, but do the enemies get stronger too?

and if they dont get stronger, is dying over and over again (and inadvertently making myself stronger) kinda cheating?

i dont wanna accidentally cheese and get stronger than i should be just because I die a lot (due to lack of skill, not on purpose)

[steep musk]

you dont automatically get stronger when you die

unless you have god mode

[waxen wing]

but i get lots of crystals, right?

[proven pivot]

Dying over and over is a purposeful part of the game, don't worry

[shy knot]

im not really a fan of ||poly relationships|| but i want the actually have a the bond forged thing with than
if i just|| ease off him when he shows up in my bedroom (skipping the cutscene basically) does that mean i dont romance him||

[delicate turtle]

yeah basically iirc

[wise flare]

what boons should i get for a cast build with achilles aspect?

[viscid notch]

Most casts work fine, some of the best ones are Hunting Blades / Lightning Phalanx and maybe Crystal Clarity and Ice Wine afterwards

The start is really up to you, a lot of things can work as I said, you can start with Phalanx Shot and look for Lightning strike for example, or Artemis attack then look for Slicing Shot or Crystal Beam, the usual start on Achilles for speedrunning is Tidal Dash and you just take whatever shows up and is good enough

[wise flare]

ohhh thanks, yeah i might start with artemis trinket and boost attack first then see what i get from there

[viscid notch]

Really looking for Flurry Jab to make your attack stronger because it helps a lot, Casts are nice and do amazing damage but on Achilles they’re become mostly boss killers later, while the attack and dash take care of normal rooms for the most part, it’s a versatile weapon tho so you can do whatever you want really

[leaden whale]

Why did my bosses change and get stronger all the sudden?

And now some guy named Thanatos is after me

[viscid notch]

Only ones that change are Furies, you start facing different ones

Unless you’re using ||Heat||

Furies aren’t specifically harder but you have to adapt to their movesets

Thanatos is helping you so that’s a good thing

[worthy patrol]

Lernie changes primary heads

[viscid notch]

Oh yea that too

[leaden whale]

How does this sound for a build, Poseidon dash, Dionysus attack, Aphrodite special and area cast

I'm using the sword

This game is impossible without the cursed slash from Daedalus

Oh my god

I can't even beat one of the furies without it

But when I have it I made it all the way up to cerverus

Cerberus

[waxen wing]

is controller vs mouse and keyboard just preference?

or is there a clear better one

[dusty vault]

Just preference

[leaden whale]

I like controller

If I swap off of lambent plume do I keep the didge chance?

[viscid notch]

No

[leaden whale]

Darn

[leaden whale]

How do I stop getting poisoned?

[leaden whale]

||BRO HAS A STAGE TWOO??? I'm so dead||

[dusty vault]

For big rats stay away from them and the satyrs check either sound cue or the animation

[leaden whale]

Nawh I this game is impossible

[dusty vault]

If poisoned can also pause to check for the curing pool

[viscid notch]

It takes practice but yea the game is difficult at first, after you get your first few wins it'll become a lot easier and you'll be much more consistent at it

[dusty vault]

Can also use god mode if you want to continue the story

[leaden whale]

Wy would I want to win multiple times?

[maiden ruin]

fun

[viscid notch]

I like telling new players that winning 1 time is finishing a portion of the tutorial

[maiden ruin]

yeah the game hasnt even begun yet

[weak heron]

true

[leaden whale]

Ohh like nicer?

Nicer*

Nier*

[leaden whale]

Why can't I fill the final heart for Aphrodite

[slow ferry]

Locked hearts of characters have special requirements called favors

[leaden whale]

How do I get it for Aphrodite?

Also what does maxing out the hearts do?

[leaden whale]

Is it hard

[dusty vault]

Depends on the character

[slow ferry]

For aphrodite you gotta ||get full hearts with 2/3 from this list: meg, dusa, than|| she's one of the harder ones

Filling out the hearts completely mostly does nothing

[steep musk]

its all three

[leaden whale]

How do you increase hearts with them

[steep musk]

give them nectar

[leaden whale]

Oh I didn't have the option to do so

What happens when you get the final heart for aphrodiye

[rugged bone]

Nothing. She's just one of the gods that qualify for a later requirement that needs you to max out hearts with most of them

[steep musk]

do you have any nectar

[leaden whale]

Yeah 3

[leaden whale]

Hello guys, i managed to escape for the first time after 4 hours of playing with very little knowledge about keepsakes and darkness upgrades. Is there any tierlist for this?

Also what is best to spend nectar for?

[west lion]

First and foremost I’d focus on getting every keepsake. After that you can use them to advance the story with whichever characters you like or you can trade them at the wretched broker for diamonds

[west lion]

I have a tier list for keepsakes as well as a wall for mirror upgrades.
Keepsake Tier List: #h1-discussion message
Mirror Upgrades Wall: #h1-discussion message

[fleet phoenix]

i have a question about the ambrosia, should i keep it for the little pet (don't know the name in english) or should i keep it for the relation ? (if there is any ppl who speak french lmaooo)

[west lion]

You’ll get a good amount of it if you keep doing bounties so you can trade it for titan blood, spend it on companions (I assume this is what you meant by little pet), or use it to advance relationships with characters. Whichever you prefer.

[fleet phoenix]

okok, thanks

[leaden whale]

Thank you friend, would you by any chance tell me what gods are best for the bow?

Also is chaos keepsake good for stwrting out or is athena better?

Im getting to the point where i always am able to slay 3rd boss

[west lion]

For zag bow, Aphrodite and Artemis are good for your attack. For Chiron, Artemis special is best. For Hera, Aphrodite for crush shot is really good. For hidden bow, Aphrodite attack is great, and Zeus, Ares, or Dionysus are great on the special

[leaden whale]

Im using the aspect of hera

Thank you

[west lion]

Chaos keepsake is not really worth using if you’re starting out. There are specific cases where it’s good but if you don’t know what to look for then I’d generally say to avoid it. Using a god keepsake for Tartarus and a different god keepsake for Asphodel is really good to control the build you’re getting. Acorn is fantastic for Elysium and Styx

[leaden whale]

So should i just start with aphrodite with aspect of hera?

What god would i change it for after?

[west lion]

Yes

[viscid notch]

Hera is quite a bit different, you want your cast as early as possible so you can pom it a lot because casts have amazing pom scaling and it's also all your damage pretty much and it's important to hit certain breakpoints otherwise you'll be waiting for your casts to pop out often which is not a good sign, start with Aphrodite on hera and take her cast to begin with, then look for Snow burst from demeter, force her in Asphodel if you dont get it by Tart

A good % attack will help with your damage a bit, Artemis is nice and gives access to Hunter's Mark later which is good for the Heroes fight and just in general for room clearing, not something you get to force often as Demeter is higher priority but it's good to look out for as it's probably the best in slot

[leaden whale]

Thank youguys very much

[frank mountain]

is fated persuasion or fated authority better

[west lion]

Persuasion

[steep musk]

almost always persuasion

[sand kiln]

uh when i highlight? a ability what does it do

[round flume]

am I just bad or is the Temple section super tough

the rats and poisons wear me down like nothing (yes I know the cures are there)

[steep musk]

nah the temple sucks

[waxen wing]

I killed meg for the first time after dying like 7 times beforehand, but the dialouge before the fight was meg saying zag would die, then zag said: probably, but this time might be different

was that a scripted win?

or did the dialogue just align

[steep musk]

align

[waxen wing]

i can't decide what to use my titanblood on, are there meta upgrades for fists, shield, or spear?

[viscid notch]

Just go for whatever sounds fun, all the aspects are viable to a certain extent, some are stronger such as Demeter fists, Achilles spear, Zeus shield etc and keep in mind some rely more on levels, such as Chiron Hestia Chaos

[waxen wing]

i see

is the starter sword good to upgrade too?

[viscid notch]

It’s average at best, if you play sword optimally you should be dash striking so the attack speed increase doesn’t matter, and the movement speed isn’t gonna be something you notice

Its only niche is scaling through rush delivery

[waxen wing]

got it

[viscid notch]

If you want a much stronger Sword you should go for Nemesis, very versatile with lots of good builds

[waxen wing]

oh i meant the sword as a whole

[viscid notch]

But sword in general is a tough weapon, takes quite a bit more precision and practice than other weapons, or atleast it doesn’t feel as good until then

[waxen wing]

ok

ill just go for the most fun upgrades like you said, then

[viscid notch]

Yea you’ll get around to upgrading other aspects and trying out everything eventually, as long as you’re having fun and getting those early wins

Completing Prophecies helps too

[waxen wing]

oh do i have to get wins earlier for them to be worth more?

nvm probably not

one last question, i saw a reddit thread from 2 years ago saying that demeters fists did 10x of it's special, but it looked like it 'only' does 5 at max, was it nerfed?

or were redditors just being redditors

[viscid notch]

Nah but I meant at some point these resources wont be worth as much because you’ll have nearly all the aspects and upgrades etc

[waxen wing]

ahh i see

yeah i just got the game yesterday, havent beat the game, only made it up to the bone hydra

[viscid notch]

I’m not 100% sure, I only remember it as x5, I don’t think it was x10 in Early access but I could be wrong, maybe if one of the old veterans shows up they can correct me

[waxen wing]

its fine all that matters is that its 5x rn

ill probably go for the hook tho, cuz that seems fun

thanks!

[viscid notch]

Yea learning synergies and weapon fundamentals alongside enemy movesets and such is a lot more important than getting specific top aspects because these aspects don’t necessarily mean you’ll just start winning consistently (although they can help a bit with that)

[waxen wing]

haha i barely got used to moving

[waxen wing]

so is this an example of a weapon fundamental?

[viscid notch]

Well yes, your sword rotation should be something like Special > x2 Dash strikes then repeat, with some casts here and there for the beefier enemies, another thing about this is that it’s best if your first dash strike puts you behind the enemy si that you don’t take a hit if they attack you since you’re on a melee aspect so facetanking the damage isn’t the way

But there is alot about positioning and clearing rooms efficiently and making good decisions etc that just takes a lot of experience and it’s hard to like write it all up yknow

[waxen wing]

yeah i get it

as long as its something i can figure out if i do enough runs or use enough brain

[viscid notch]

Yea you can also ask, some things are not as intuitive to figure out, I would suggest watching speedruns or ||high heat|| but looks like you’re still early in the game so there is a lot of spoilers in those

[waxen wing]

honestly i bent this rule for hades a bit but for rougelite/likes I like to beat the final boss before exposing myself to outside help and try to optimize fully

just cuz its so refreshing to play these games and figure stuff out

but seems like this game has lots of lore too, so ill make sure to avoid spoilers

[viscid notch]

Yea to each their own, I did spoil some things for myself too

[waxen wing]

why is there a gun in hades

[marble hedge]

why not

[slate finch]

just shows you the description of the boon, doesn't do anything in terms of gameplay

useful for showing off your wins in #h1-victory-boasting tho

[wintry rampart]

i promise you if ancient greeks knew about guns the sun would have AK-47'd Icarus

[frank mountain]

uh

in the main building

there's like a gate

past nyx

can you open that eventually?

[dusty vault]

Ye

[sullen beacon]

how does changing gods keepsakes between floors work exactly, I read somewhere that if you change it the first boon on the next floor will be of that gods

but that doesnt seem to be the case

[valid flame]

I would also like to know

Unless it's only for immediate effect boons?

But the percentage chance for rare boons stays?

[viscid notch]

That’s how it works

You take a keepsake, start the biome and the first god you see is that one

You can get Hermes first in Asphodel or later

And hammer starts are s thing

[leaden whale]

Is ambrosia used for anything besides Titan blood?

[viscid notch]

Spoiler that

[viscid notch]

It’s used to improve relationships past a certain point after you do their favor, might be too early to use them now

But keep some

[leaden whale]

||Does he mean Hades?||

[viscid notch]

Yes

[leaden whale]

Is there a definitive best way to play the game

Like weapon and build

[viscid notch]

There are good builds and ideal combos for each weapon aspect

But a lot of the time you cant get everything perfectly so you just have improvise

You can get good builds consistently tho, especially when your mirror is maxed

It’s more about what mirror upgrades are good and what works best with each weapon

||Heat|| matters too but might be too early for that

[leaden whale]

After beating hydra i have a chaos gate in my room, i have a hammer as a reward for the next room, if i enter the gate will i be able to still get the hammer?

[leaden whale]

How do I get that? Will it help?

Heat is used for increasing difficulty after you escape for your firet time

First*

[main marsh]

I did that but what do I do after that now

[faint umbra]

hidden aspects and the final boss are spoilers in this channel, but you can find the exact requirements pinned in #h1-story-discussion

#h1-story-discussion message

[main marsh]

Oh sorry

[frank mountain]

is 'all foes have x more damage' include bosses

[leaden whale]

Just removed the text and 100% caught you in the "no u" spoiler trap.

But yes sinceyou did mention that other thing... There's much more to do. I'll keep getting killed till I don't.

[waxen wing]

Theseus and the Minotaur? Hardly a fair fight!

says Zagreus after fighting a bone monster that spawns 9 damn heads

[wise peak]

Tbh minotaur by himself is still harder than hydra

For me anyway

[leaden whale]

Minotaur is sooo easy by himself, it's when you are distracted by Theseus is when he's a problem

Does the dash uppercut count as a dash attack for the costs? I just got the Artemis boon for dash strike damage

[dusty vault]

Yeah it gets buffed by hunter dash/Chaos D.strike boons

It also doesnt get affected by damage when using special curses

[leaden whale]

Does it get damage buff from Aphrodite special

[dusty vault]

Yeah

[leaden whale]

Is it worth getting crit chance from Aphrodite if it's purple

Aretmis sorry

[wise peak]

Depends what the other options are

I really like artemis call if that's an option

[leaden whale]

I already have gers

Hers

Fists are too hard

I can't use them

Sword is the only one I can do

With cursed slash

Everything else is farrrr too weak

Can you guys give me advice in weapon and boons?

Is there such thing as a dodge build?

Lambent plume, fists, Hermes boon

[dusty vault]

Yeah is fun

You want second wind from hermes on top of the other dodge boon

[leaden whale]

Is there anything like a boss killer build

And what is darkness used for besides mirror

[wise peak]

Trading

[leaden whale]

I dint see anything in the shop though

[ebon root]

its rare for the broker to offer anything for darkness
Can use it to buy a super expensive theme too and do the upgrades in Hades chambers.

[wintry rampart]

what the heck am i supposed to do in bone hydra fight

[leaden whale]

Wlwhen you do enough damage to the main head, you need to take out all the other heads because the main one has a sheild in it, after you take the others out, then you can go back, there's two phases, after the first wave of mini heads, there's another one, then you can finish him off

[waxen wing]

i got a couple keys for darkness once

[pseudo narwhal]

a bit late, but yes

any crit chance is good crit chance in a crit focused build

especially oon bow

[pseudo narwhal]

it takes a bit to get used to the rhythm of them, but make sure that when you get close to the end of your attack combo, you dash to reset it and just have constant attacks

make use of dash attacks, they are your best friend

it also helps you dodge things and take less damage with fists

[pseudo narwhal]

this early in the game(i'm assuming you're a little new to the game, and that's okay!), just focus on what you like and enjoy, and try to unlock all of the weapons

you get a lot more variety in playstyles as you go on and i'm sure you'll find one that you like!

[leaden whale]

How do you get duo or legendary boons

Also are legendary boons the same as heroic

Cuz I've only seen a heroic one once before the rest are usually rare or epic

[viscid notch]

They have prerequisites, once met they can be offered by their corresponding gods

[viscid notch]

They’re not

[leaden whale]

What are the requirements

[viscid notch]

Heroic is what comes after Epic, Legendaries work differently

[viscid notch]

You can check them in your codex, they’re different for each one

[leaden whale]

Wouldn't I have to unlock a legendary before I get to see the requisite?

[viscid notch]

No

[leaden whale]

Oh that's good

How did I get a heroic boon before?

[viscid notch]

You don’t unlock Legendaries you just need the codex upgrade

[leaden whale]

I thought the only way to get heroic was the upgraded rarity from eurosice

[viscid notch]

You can get it through swaps on priority boons, Eurydice or Rare Crop

[leaden whale]

Uridence

Yeah euridyce

What is a priority boon and what's a swap?

[viscid notch]

Priority boons are Attack Dash Cast and Special

A swap is when a god offers to change one of those priority slots to his own boon

So if you have an Athena Special and you see an Ares for example, there’s a chance that he offers you his Special

As a replace

And it’s always 1 rarity higher

So if you have an Epic in that slot

It becomes heroic

[leaden whale]

Ohh I see

Why do gods never offer me swaps

[viscid notch]

It's a low chance

[leaden whale]

Oh dang

[viscid notch]

Especially if other core slots are empty

[leaden whale]

Is there a right and a wrong door to go through usually

Like, sometimes I get a really bad start and I feel like I chose all the wrong doors

[viscid notch]

If you mean the rewards then yea, if you mean the actual door itself and predicting what the tile behind it is then no

[leaden whale]

Well sometimes there's one with a boss behind and and one without so I go to the one without, and sometimes I feel like I should've done the other one because when I do the other one I have better runs

[viscid notch]

Well it's not a rule of thumb that minibosses will give you a better run or anything, but minibosses are quicker and they have increased rarity on the boon that they give you, unless the other door is something very important for your build then you shouldn't skip them

Sometimes people skip them but it's temporary to push them back one room

And then they take it

It just takes a lot of experience and trial and error to get good runs consistently

Decision making isn't that easy

Quite tough to figure out at the top end actually

If you watch a speedrun or something

[leaden whale]

Does speed matter?

[viscid notch]

Well it depends on what you're doing

[leaden whale]

Trying to beat the game

[viscid notch]

It doesn't matter then no

Atleast not much

[leaden whale]

Does it do anything? Like do enemies get stronger over tome

Tim

Time

[viscid notch]

No

But in general, a good thing to note is that the longer you have to stay in boss encounters and normal rooms the higher the chance of messing up and taking unnecessary damage and whatnot

So if you enter a room and blast everything within 10 seconds, although you're not speedrunning, you just cleared that room very efficiently and without taking any risks or being close to death

Which is a good thing

But yea aside from that it doesn't do anything, I've seen people's first run be over 40 minutes sometimes

And some get it within 25 minutes

But ultimately it doesn't matter, if you want to improve your speed further there is a lot more that goes into it, and if you want to improve your decision making and such it's also gonna take a lot of practice, your first few wins are not a good indicator of how good you are etc, getting your first run also has some rng to it, beginners dont know a lot if anything about synergies and such, if you stumble across a good one early one, it might not carry the run but it'll make it a lot easier

[leaden whale]

I really don't know anything about synergies and I feel like I make a mountain of mistakes every time I play

I TRY to get Dionysus attack, Aphrodite special, Poseidon dash, ares cast, zues or Athena's call, and Athena's revenge

I feel like that's the best one there is

[viscid notch]

Those can be okay on some weapons, and really bad on others, and also these require a very specific god pool and you dont need all of them, it's fine to do mistakes in runs, most people aren't playing flawlessly anyway, not at the top end of speedrunning and ||high heat|| even, you get better with time and cut those mistakes down to just a few every run

[leaden whale]

I use the second aspect of the sword

[viscid notch]

There are some things you can improve then

[leaden whale]

I also sometimes use Artemis attack

Because that's a 30% crit chabce

Also if you get the Daedalus that makes your special hit twice does that double your crit chance

[viscid notch]

Okay so Nemesis has innate crit chance, 30% at max level, which is a lot, so you can rely on your base damage instead of looking for other sources of damage such as Hangover, although it's okay but it's not that amazing and Nemesis doesn't need it, and that crit chance from the Nemesis passive applies only to your Attack, so you can start with Artemis or Aphrodite and look for their attack, Aphrodite Attack prefers rarity, so common is pretty bad, Artemis attack doesn't care as much, Aphro is good because she gives you a big % increase, and Artemis is good for more crit chance, if you get some scaling from Chaos it becomes very nice damage, you can look for Athena afterwards to try to get her Special because it's really nice defensively on sword, and potentially her Dash later or maybe Deadly Reversal if you opted for the Artemis start, your rotation on Nemesis should be Special (to get the buff and it's also okay damage and staggers unarmored enemies) followed by x2 dash strikes which are your actual damage, that's what you should always be doing, no standing attacks etc, and you can also use your casts on beefier enemies, your ideal hammer is Double Edge because it makes your Dash strikes hit twice, so 2 dash strikes is 4 hits on the enemy, and it also gives you a bit of dash strike damage, so it's just the top option, no contenders at all, other good hammers are Piercing Wave and Breaching Slash, hammers to avoid are Cursed Slash / Dash Nova / Flurry Slash as those actively hurt you, Double Nova is one of those hammers that dont really do anything because you usually cancel out that second Special animation by starting your dash strikes so it doesnt really matter, and again, your Special is not your damage source, Sword is a tough weapon and requires some practice to feel good compared to some other ones, it's fun tho

[leaden whale]

I'm gonna copy that and make note of it

What's the best way to get Titan blood to upgrade my aspect

Because right now it's only level 2 I think

[slate finch]

just play the game with different weapons (and if you beat the game, ||at different heats||)

[leaden whale]

The other weapons are too hard I could only beat the first boss with the sword and the bow

Oh and the fists

[slate finch]

shield is pretty easy if you lean into the blocking

you just don't get hit using it lmao

[leaden whale]

And the spear is too hard :(

[untold ravine]

With the spear you just angle yourself to attack enemies at a good distance

[polar finch]

or just spam dash strikes

[turbid nexus]

If you have Athena on it, does it deflect melee hits as well on the front?

[slate finch]

not when blocking, only when attacking

[pale relic]

just had a broken build with the shield today on low heat. it literally facerolled the whole run with 0 defiances ever used, with just spamming special with ares boons. madness. shield defense/attack/bull rush were not used.. just special dps. i guess the boons were just lucky.

[leaden whale]

If I am going for a Dionysus build, can I have multiple duos?

Wait that wasnt my question

If I have a Daedalus what should I get

I have cursed slash, shadow slash, and flurry slash

@viscid notch Also, I was going to get Dionysus and area duo, and Dionysus and Aphrodite duo

I was thinking flurry slash for more hits

[dusty vault]

First or second hammer?

[leaden whale]

First

There's only two?

Can I have more than one duo boon?

[dusty vault]

Yeah normally only 2 per run (can get 3 if using anvil on last biome)

And can get more than 1 duo boons (tho certain ones wont allow others to appear)

[leaden whale]

Can I get Dionysus and Aphrodite with Dionysus and area?

Ares

[viscid notch]

Yes

[proud karma]

hey can you purge hermes boons?

[faint umbra]

yes

[leaden whale]

What does fishing do?

This game is so hard wtf

It got harder when I learned what a duo was

Now I can't even beat one of the furies

This sucks

Akso why does the game refuse to give me a decent attack boon

I can never get a rare boon to start in his attacj

And there's always an eoic

Epic

[leaden whale]

It's getting boring it's so hard

[wintry rampart]

skill issue

[leaden whale]

If I pass up Eurydice once will I see her again?

[steep musk]

yes

why would you though

[leaden whale]

Boon that I used my keepsake in

On

[steep musk]

shes by far one of the most helpful characters in the game
no thatll show up again

[leaden whale]

And if I get the boon then she can upgrade it

[steep musk]

oh wait

wait no you cant see her again in a run

i thought you meant overall

[leaden whale]

Damn

I went for her first and choose her upgraded rarity boon for the champers

[steep musk]

ambrosia?

[untold ravine]

never played roguelikes before but this game is so hard but also addicting. I have almost finished a run with every weapon, the shield one is pretty hard tho

i dont have the patience to stand still and block XD

[leaden whale]

How did you even finish

I have trouble even getting to elysium

The only time I ever made it to the final boss I was using cursed slash

[untold ravine]

lots of dashing and holding enemies where i want them

i like try to seperate them so they dont overwhelm me

you should pick an easy weapon first

bow is pretty good

[leaden whale]

I've been using the sword

[untold ravine]

Yeah sword is good but the easiest weapons are the ones where you attack enemies from long range like bow or spear

And then just find a good angle where you dont have to do much to kill everyone

[leaden whale]

Spear is long range?

[untold ravine]

well longer than sword lol

and its pretty good yeah

[leaden whale]

What build should I use for it?

[untold ravine]

idk how much you have unlocked

hard to say

[leaden whale]

Pretty much everything

Less y mean aspects

Then nothing lol

[untold ravine]

Artemis usually always works

crits are nice

if we are talking about the spear i mean

[leaden whale]

Yeah

[dusty vault]

spear is quite hammer reliant but flurry jab/exploiding launcher + charged skewer are great

(if using zag spear)

if you are using aspect, Achilles spear is considered better

[leaden whale]

What r those?

[dusty vault]

hammer upgrades
flurry = can hold attack, no more spin attack
exploding = special has 50 base dmg and explodes on enemy contact (deletes the retrieve thing)

[untold ravine]

@dusty vault I sent you a PM can you help me?

[dusty vault]

charged skewer lets you charge your special up to 200% dmg

[leaden whale]

I was thinking about doing Aphrodite main build?

[dusty vault]

if you want aphro then you probably want to go exploding launcher route (assuming is still spear)

spear base dmg isnt that high for aphro to be worth imo

[leaden whale]

Ohh

Well, what would you use with speae

[dusty vault]

if you get flurry jab then zeus can work, with exploding you go aphro or artemis (or a decent % special boon)

can also start tidal dash and just adapt to whatever hammer shows first

[leaden whale]

Tbh zues is doodoo, nine of his boobs are very powerful

[dusty vault]

zeus works better on fast, weak hits and you want more zeus boons always

[leaden whale]

Wait I mean none of his boons

Lol

[dusty vault]

like if you have lightning strike on fists/rail then you want static discharge

[steep musk]

zeus on zeus on zeus

[dusty vault]

basically

[steep musk]

if you have Achilles spear usually upi start with tidal dash then go either zeus or artemis attack

I’d assume it works the same for zag spear

[dusty vault]

idk how good is artemis on zag spear, bc why i would play that

[leaden whale]

I haven't asked about mirror upgrades yet, what do y'all prefer?

[dusty vault]

150% from Achiles spear is still a nice bonus

[dusty vault]

death defiance/greater reflex/thick skin/dark foresight/god's pride are probably my most used

[steep musk]

here

[dusty vault]

others can vary depending on what im trying

[leaden whale]

What

Wait

What is thick skin and dark foresight and god's pride??

Wot

[steep musk]

here screenshot your mirror

[leaden whale]

I can't send pics here

[steep musk]

theyre upgrades which you havent unlocked yet i bet

[dusty vault]

up to what skill you have rn?

[steep musk]

upload it somewhere else and then copy media link

[leaden whale]

I'll just dm

[steep musk]

alr

[leaden whale]

Wait nvm

[steep musk]

or you can just say what upgrades you have

[leaden whale]

The Xbox app is acting up sorry

[steep musk]

haha mood you’re good

[leaden whale]

I have shadow presence, chronic vitality, death defiance, and greater reflex, and then each flipside

All of em

[dusty vault]

yeah you dont have the skills mentioned above then
thick skin = +50hp
god's pride = +20% more chance to epic boons
dark foresight = +20% more chance to see gold laurel rooms (gold/poms/hearts/boons/hammers)

DF is flip side to olympian favor

[steep musk]

looks fine for now but you might want to switch to fiery prescience

[leaden whale]

How do I get more?

[steep musk]

unlock it with keys

[leaden whale]

Where?

[dusty vault]

check your mirror there should be a icon with the keys and a cost

is like 10 keys or more

[leaden whale]

Oh my god I'm so sorry my glasses aren't on...

What's the best way to get keys?

Oh my god this is a game changer? Multiple casts?

[dusty vault]

if you have spare gems you can trade them at the lounge for keys

otherwise just do runs and check for any key as room reward or charon shops

[leaden whale]

What does it mean to apply doom multiple times

[dusty vault]

You apply doom on an enemy and if you apply doom again before the first one activates, you get added dmg for it (asuming you are talking of dire misfortune)

[leaden whale]

Yes that is what I mean

So that's not a very good boon huh

[dusty vault]

Yeah is not that great

Can be fun to get some big doom procs but

[leaden whale]

What does the administration chamber do?

[dusty vault]

Used for some npc quests and can check previous data of your runs

[leaden whale]

Nothing good then

What should I focus on upgrading?

Dang I need Lots Of diamonds

Wow I got another heroic boon

That's rare

@dusty vault if I get the ambrosia delight can it make me heroic boon better

Who is euridicyes voice actor

Or the woman singing

[dusty vault]

Ashley barret sings!

Also no, heroic is the highest tier for your boons

[leaden whale]

She's very talented!

[steep musk]

once youve made it to the surface

you dont have to beat the final boss

[dusty vault]

@steep musk @native slate ||Demeter|| is a spoiler in this channel

[leaden whale]

She's also garbage

[native slate]

||oh wait my bad||

[vivid patio]

anything from the end boss and after is a spoiler in this channel, for reference :)

[native slate]

i didnt know they appeared after the end boss. i thought they can rotate along with the other Olympians

[sullen beacon]

do keys on the shop give you a die?

[viscid notch]

No

Only room rewards

[pale relic]

i read somewhere that they affect the current mirror choice, regarding rolls. not true then? i mean the upgrade in renovations about the "rolls"

[viscid notch]

Not from shops

If you get a key as a room reward you get a dice

If you buy it from the shop you get nothing

[pale relic]

sure. but rooms, thats fated authority. it also affects fated persuasion though correct? aka boon choices rolls

[viscid notch]

I don’t get your question, I thought you were referring to what Stensson asked

[pale relic]

sorry it was more like a 2nd question, about that specific renovation roll upgrade that makes keys give a die. wanted to know if it affects both of mirror upgrades (or rather current one selected)

[viscid notch]

Yes

It does

[pale relic]

thanks

[leaden whale]

There's dice in this game?

Wait what

??? I'm so lost

What is fated authority

[viscid notch]

It's a mirror upgrade that uses dice

[muted pivot]

mirror of night upgrade

it allows you to reroll chamber rewards i believe? its flipside is fated persuasion which allows you to reroll boons and charon wells

[viscid notch]

You can't reroll hammers

Ever

That would be way too strong

[turbid nexus]

Boons and Charon wells

[turbid nexus]

It’s the very last darkness mirror unlock for more clarity

[muted pivot]

oh right im an idiot

[turbid nexus]

Or just wishing it into existence lol

Does ||heat|| alter the amount of darkness or gold you receive at all (aside from beating previous bosses of course)?

[dusty vault]

No

[turbid nexus]

Also heard references about some enemies naturally dropping gold and never paid enough attention to know which ones

[dusty vault]

Also spoiler mark ||heat||

[leaden whale]

Like what you get from the boons?

[turbid nexus]

Fated Persuasion let’s you reroll the options that popup for a god/chaos boon, Pom, or a Charon well. A chaos boon, for example, is still a chaos boon but if you don’t like the 3 options that pop up you can use a die roll to regenerate the list.

Fated Authority rerolls the room reward before you enter. There are two “categories” of rooms (more or less resources vs boons) and it changes it to another reward in that category. For instance you can reroll an Aphrodite room for the chance to get another god’s boon

[dusty vault]

Also poms

[turbid nexus]

Ah yes. And Pom choices

[cursive sedge]

It’s a mirror upgrade that allows you to reroll room rewards before you enter them

[cursive sedge]

I like to imagine zag saying “on my authority!” to a pom lying on the ground

Even better, “another selection of choices maybe?”

[steep musk]

wait no you cant reroll poms right

ive never in my life rolled on a pom am i stupid or am i missing a joke

[tiny raptor]

i think i have

[steep musk]

im entirely certain actually

[turbid nexus]

||Do you have to “buy” Guan Yu to be eligible to unlock the others, or simply reveal it.||

[calm imp]

u can

can

[steep musk]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/672257765804081193/969430023658434580/IMG_9928.png

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/672257765804081193/969430030981673030/IMG_9927.png

[steep musk]

spoiler hidden aspects in this channel

[turbid nexus]

Kinda figured the statement was vague enough to be on its own…didn’t mention the word aspect

But if I must

[steep musk]

thats the name of it, spoiler it

[turbid nexus]

The name on its own doesn’t suggest anything

Has zero context until you actually reveal it yourself

Like even leading up to it the name is never mentioned

So one has no idea what it is unless you’ve already been spoiled

[steep musk]

thats the rules i don’t know mate

[turbid nexus]

Technically the rule is final boss and onward right?

It’s technically not necessarily after

[calm imp]

what

rlly

.-.

[turbid nexus]

Eh I guess you’d have to really go out of your way to get it pre boss now that I think of it.

[tiny raptor]

I did it out of sheer being bad at the game

[dusty vault]

They have 3 boons only in that pic

Ofc you wont be able roll there

[steep musk]

wait wtf how did i
man my memory is broken

[calm imp]

wait so

can u roll poms?

ur making me doubt myself

[dusty vault]

Yeah you can

Tho if you have 3 or less pommables you wont be able

(same applies for pool of purging that is also not mentioned)

[odd shoal]

you can roll poms

[gray haven]

They're round, so you can roll them. Hammers are not round, so you can't roll them.

[turbid nexus]

Lol had me doubting myself though. Just grabbed a screenshot of a pom roll but looks like it isn’t needed anymore

[turbid nexus]

Caboose, is that you?

[steep musk]

so zag repeatedly flips over a well every day

[gray haven]

Where'd you get that idea? He rolls it.

[steep musk]

isnt it square

[gray haven]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hades_gamepedia_en/images/6/66/Well_of_Charon.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/746?cb=20181214194434

[steep musk]

huh
must be pretty heavy though

and wouldnt the liquid splosh around

[gray haven]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[leaden whale]

Any way to see my playtime on steam?

I started a new save file

[scenic sage]

🪄

Its magic

[wise peak]

You realise he's a literal god

[leaden whale]

hi, inside keepsakes how can I unlock the hearths below?

[steep musk]

he also dies to rats commonly

[tiny raptor]

If you were hit with a poison from a rat that kills a god in mere minutes you'd die too

[slate finch]

do you mean use the heart-seeking bow?

click its pedestal, it should be to the right of the keepsake cabinet

if you don't have it unlocked save keys

[turbid nexus]

I think he means ||companions||

[slate finch]

oh yeah that makes sense
i forgot hearth was a word lmao

they're late-game stuff, you'll need to save up your ambrosia+build relationships with certain characters to get it

[wintry rampart]

any tips on how to beat ||hades||?
i feel like i stumbled here unprepped

[waxen wing]

should i trade 1 titans blood for 200 gemstones?

[marble hedge]

no

[waxen wing]

should i usually take the weapon with dark thirst if i'm pretty new and dont have mmuch darkness?

[waxen wing]

ty

[fast oak]

Yes

[native slate]

does anyone have any tips for asterius and theseus?

[turbid nexus]

A big one is just getting better at builds to handle the endurance better. Once i got better at selecting my primary boons and making sure they’re upgraded decently before the fight (I like to shoot for Lvl 3-4 on my primary source of dmg boon), along with at least one good Hermes boon, it’s been a cakewalk. Other than that, ||just get used to dashing through him to avoid his big swipe attack. I kept making the same mistake of dashing away from him and he just jumps forward too much. Easier to dash through him and back. ||

[turbid nexus]

Focus on Asterius first since Theseus calls on the gods when he’s at 50% to make the battlefield even more hectic. Fight away from Theseus so he doesn’t use his spin on you, dash laterally or behind the columns to avoid his spear throw.

Just a matter of getting used to Asterius’s attack pattern of his swipe attack often followed by his jump (repeats the jump 1-3 times). When he completes the combo he pauses and you can quickly get behind him and open up briefly

While he’s doing swipes he’s locked into the combo so if you can get perfectly behind him you can get in a lot of good dmg before his leap attack. Just be careful since that swing is a little behind him on the sides as well

Theseus is pretty annoying since he blocks most attacks. He walks away after every throw no matter what so that’s usually the main opportunity to strike. Depends on weapons for other opportunities.

Honestly if I have a decent Call (Artemis, Athena), I save it fully charged for when he calls the gods since he’s wide open. If you have a Cast active on him it’ll do most of the work for you in an instant

[waxen relic]

how do you deal with those rats in the 4th stage

[tiny raptor]

Big ones or small ones

[waxen relic]

both

i always die to vermin now since i've worked out how to not die in elysium boss

[tiny raptor]

for he small ones any dash boon should do

what weapon do you use?

[fast oak]

I use dash for vermin

Just dash in circles until they’re all gone

[waxen relic]

sword

aspect of zagreus because I haven't unlocked aspects yet

[tiny raptor]

ok for the big ones its best to keep as much distance as you can

[waxen relic]

but I use a sword

[tiny raptor]

so try dashing in and then right back out

[waxen relic]

i can't hit them if i dont get close

[waxen relic]

yeah that's generally my attack pattern

[tiny raptor]

also try your cast

[waxen relic]

just spam dash and attack

[waxen relic]

yeah

i do cast

[tiny raptor]

ares' cast works really well

for those guys at least

[waxen relic]

i don't think I get ares boons that much

[tiny raptor]

you could try and draw them away from the poison around them but that kinda only works in the final rooms

[pale relic]

large rats are mostly patience and attacks from far. cast works. you can also hit them from close when they dont have armor and stun-lock kill them when they are NOT doing the acid shedding skill. but avoid melee when they are in armor. I like poseidon for styx, pushing everyone against obstacles kills them way faster than anything else lol. this is laughably easy with poseidon tidal dash. the chambers are so small...

[polar finch]

*cough

bwave

[steep musk]

shredding styx

[leaden whale]

I'm giving up, officially. I can't beat the final boss...

I just had my best run, and he still didn't die, no matter what I did

So I'm resigning.

[faint umbra]

have you tried god mode yet?

it starts you out with 20% damage resistance and it builds the more you die, and caps at 80%. you can turn it on and off at any time

the dr remains at the same %, it doesnt reset though, and god mode run records are stored separately

also, dont give up! some people just take longer to beat the game and thats alright, youll get a good run again. you can also ask in here for powerful build ideas

[calm imp]

^^ having a build in mind and a game plan is a game changer

[pale relic]

i found the game much easier after 1) mirror was maxed out and i activated dark foresight.. 2) at least 10 encounters with 3rd boss and 5 with final boss. so basically you just become better over time. most important aspect for winning is learning to dodge mechanics. (aka iframes, mostly from dash) And find a weapon that suits you.

[faint umbra]

final boss name is spoilers here, btw!

[cursive sedge]

Don’t give up, just plan out runs more

Like someone else above me said, look up builds and go for them

And depending on your weapon, go for the typical dps combo

[rose turtle]

my friend gifted me hades for my birthday a couple months ago but i finally got into and its the best game ive played in a while. im like 4/40 on escapes now but i figured i'd ask for some tips, mainly for bow because thats the weapon im worst on rn. ||also how much more renovating the lounge do i need to do to give dusa the ambrosia, ive done everything under like 100 gems||

[polar finch]

regarding the bow, you want to almost always be dashing right before charging it up since the shots come out much faster for a small damage decrease. also try to learn the powershot window. the screen will flash when you release right as you reach full charge which does more damage. since its a high damage per shot weapon you want %damage on attack mainly aphrodite or artemis. base bow wants twin/triple shot then either flurry, perfect, or point blank for hammers

[teal sigil]

where do you equip those weapon aspects?

[viscid notch]

After you pick up a weapon try to interact with the holster shadow thingy, it should have Titan Blood around it and you can unlock aspects using that

If you don’t have that yet then you need to unlock all base weapons using Keys then doing a run to refresh the house seed then try that again

[teal sigil]

alright, thanks

[waxen wing]

is it possible to beat hades 100% of the time if you're good enough?

like if you're really good at dodging

or is rng a factor too

[gray haven]

Yeah, you can clear runs 100% of the time with enough skill.

[waxen wing]

dang

glad to hear that

[gray haven]

Gonna take a lot of practice, of course.

[waxen wing]

of course

[viscid notch]

I did something similar

It was for practice purposes

[gray haven]

With enough practice, you could clear the very first run 100% of the time.

[viscid notch]

That’s a rough one

Probably a handful could that but ye

[gray haven]

Yeah, that's top player skill.

Also requires an unhealthy obsession with Lv.0 sword.

And fresh file speedrunners are taking a lot of risks they wouldn't need to take if just clearing was the goal.

[waxen relic]

the final boss is so hard

i've gotten to the surface twice and both times i got my ass kicked by ||hades||

at least i made it to the ||second phase|| this time

[slate finch]

spoiler both ||hades|| and ||second phase|| @waxen relic

[waxen relic]

ok

[slate finch]

anyway you'll learn his patterns soon, he has the most clear telegraphs of any boss, you can do it

[waxen relic]

I've sort of got his patterns down, it might be a build issue, how do you make sure you get the right boons?

i want to use aspect of zagreus to win for my first time

[dusty vault]

Use god keepsakes

Also what aspect of zagreus

[waxen relic]

sword

[dusty vault]

If you have the codex upgrade use it to see what boons you want to start

So like if you want heart rend starting artemis keepsake then aphro keepsake on aspho

[waxen relic]

which gods are good with aspect of zagreus

[dusty vault]

Uh idk

I just swap to nem or poseidon asap

[waxen relic]

i like zag sword because you don't have to focus on combos too much you just press attack

[viscid notch]

That's probably why your damage isnt so good

[dusty vault]

Even on zag sword you are better using dash strikes

[waxen relic]

yeah i just spam dash and attack

i always dash, it'd be stupid not too

[maiden ruin]

special -> dash strike -> dash strike?

[viscid notch]

^ That is what you should be doing

And you should be deliberate at doing it too

[waxen relic]

what does the special do

[maiden ruin]

its the aoe slam

[waxen relic]

special is just aoe damage for aspect of zagreus

so why do i need to start with a special

[maiden ruin]

heres the thing

dont use zag aspect

use nem

[viscid notch]

To stagger enemies and also you should have Athena on that so it's even more defensive

But on Nem this is what gives you your buff

Which is why you wanna use it often

[slate finch]

1. damage 2) get damage out during dash cooldown 3) good for merciful end (which you'll need if you want to use zag sword)

not good for me perse, but it's required and deflecting with your special is a nice bonus

anyway don't worry about having your first win be symbolic or anything play with the weapon that is fun (not zag sword)

[scenic sage]

||EM4||

[slate finch]

yeah but that's later

[waxen niche]

Hey guys, I just got hades a few days ago and am loving it, but I'm having some trouble against ||Theseus and the minotaur||. Any tips?

I primarily use the spear if that helps

[dusty vault]

Focus on asterius first

Keep yourself between a pillar so you can dodge the spear throw

For Theseus himself you either wait till he throws the spear and retreats so you attack him or bait the spin attack and empty dash behind him

You can dish out a lot of dmg at the start of the 2nd phase cuz no shield

[waxen niche]

Oh cool, I usually target down the minotaur but I've never actually beaten it, good to know

Any boons I should be going for?

[dusty vault]

Depends on the hammers, do you have aspects unlocked btw?

Spear is more hammer dependant than others

[waxen niche]

I only have zagrius 1 on the spear

Should I have gone for Achilles instead?

[dusty vault]

Achilles is good ye

That way you can also do cast builds if hammers dont cooperate