h1-for-new-players

[dark gale]

also what does the anvil do

with the eye

[buoyant jay]

at styx?

[dark gale]

ye

[buoyant jay]

it swaps your hammers to random ones

[dark gale]

lol

[buoyant jay]

definitely dont want to take it if you're using the sword because then it can change to cursed slash

[dark gale]

im actually close to hades now

hope i can beat him

[buoyant jay]

good luck

[dark gale]

nevermind i died in two hits lmao

[buoyant jay]

[buoyant jay]

how much health did you have going into the fight

[dark gale]

80

[devout jackal]

He does swing pretty hard with those beefy arms of his

[buoyant jay]

you should bring the acorn keepsake with you in styx next time.

it lets you avoid 3 hits from ||him|| and eventually 5

[limpid trench]

ill make sure to look out for an aphrodite room, by then I should be good to remove spiked collar and I'll ease my way into getting rid of the tooth if I can survive without using my death defiance, I get another death defiance, or I can beat the hydra consistently

[gray haven]

@dark gale @buoyant jay @devout jackal please use spoiler tags for anything about that boss.

[dark gale]

[buoyant jay]

oh yeah

wait didnt I technically not say anything specific

[devout jackal]

My apologies for speaking so indiscreetly about a certain L-named boss from the Asphodel meadows

[limpid trench]

ahh you guys spoiled the entire game for me I totally didn't know about that

[gray haven]

That's just channel rules.

[gray haven]

Pronouns.

You noticed.

[buoyant jay]

yup

[gray haven]

The devs just simply want us to spoiler-tag anything past the final boss, including anything about the boss.

[buoyant jay]

i mostly talk in #h1-discussion now so whoops

[devout jackal]

Ah, the good old days when PPPPP was a name too feared to be uttered by the common man.

[dark gale]

am i the only one who kinda dislikes the bow

[gray haven]

I take it the common women and non-binary folk weren't afraid.

[dark gale]

how you have to charge it all the time

[gray haven]

It charges faster if you do a Dash-Strike.

[buoyant jay]

how dare you slander coronacht's name like this

[dusty vault]

Bow good, but fair if you dont like it

[gray haven]

Technically they slandered how it functions, not its name.

[devout jackal]

[limpid trench]

really? I kind of never charge it although maybe thats a bad idea. I like the bow because it lets me keep the enemies at bay and attack from a distance, and the special lets me attack multiple enemies

[dark gale]

[REDACTED] boss

[devout jackal]

Varatha hits the sweet spot for me. There is no more perfect a weapon than a nice point on a long stick, (one that murders very quickly, at that).

[limpid trench]

I unlocked varatha and fought a bit against skelly, gave it one good look and just ditched it

[buoyant jay]

coronacht and aegis supremacy

[limpid trench]

based best weapons

[devout jackal]

That's understandable. After all, it's

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-lightsaber-obiwankenobi-obi-gif-19677892

[dark gale]

melee weapon users stand up

[gray haven]

That's not a spear.

[dark gale]

beta stygius blade

[buoyant jay]

the spear is my second least used weapon sooooo

[devout jackal]

Shush redblood.

[limpid trench]

stygius seems fine and all, it just doesnt have anything that stands out

[buoyant jay]

all are good, except the stygius blade which is stinky

[dark gale]

chad adamant rail users

but they have to reload everytime

[gray haven]

Only Alecto can call me that.

How 'bout I'll see you in the courtyard and we'll see who'll shush who.

[buoyant jay]

not sure if my third favorite weapon is rail or fists. probably the rail

[limpid trench]

oh "shoot" i forgot about having to fight the other furies, meg mentioned something on this run about her sisters doing some work around the underworld so I might have to fight them on my next run

[buoyant jay]

1. bow 2. shield 3. rail 4. fists 5. spear 6. sword

[limpid trench]

what are they like?

[gray haven]

Alecto is very sweet and kind.

[buoyant jay]

tisiphone has a really impressive vocabulary.

[limpid trench]

what are their attack patterns

im gonna wreck them

[gray haven]

Probably not.

[buoyant jay]

or they wreck you. I actually didn't find them too hard when I fought them and I beat them both on my first try.

after being used to meg, they're actually pretty similar to the fight with her.

[limpid trench]

are their attacks the same as megs? i cant remember any of the greek myths on those two

[devout jackal]

My first death was to a numbskull, which was pretty memorable.

Also

[buoyant jay]

the fights pretty similar like the projectile attack and the dashing around the room. if you get tisiphone the room gets smaller during each phase, and alecto has a beyblade thing that moves around the room but she runs into traps often

[devout jackal]

I will send a thousand flamewheels after you in your dreams.

[limpid trench]

damn. meg makes it REALLY easy to just attack a few times and dodge out when she enters a new attack animation, i can just wait it out but that beyblade might force me to move around more

[gray haven]

I've handled worse without a scratch.

But you can bring them to the courtyard with you, if you like.

[buoyant jay]

a thousand flamewheels? you should bring the shield dudes and the butterfly balls.

oh and the rat poison guys

[buoyant jay]

it shouldn't be too hard.

you've beaten meg a few times now, so you basically know how the fight goes except a few different things.

[devout jackal]

Flamewheels are pretty cute admittedly. They'd make nice pets.

As for this mysterious, proverbial courtyard, a pointy stick will be enough. Achilles would be of the same mind, and that's all the assurance I need.

[gray haven]

The courtyard is where Skelly is lol.

[devout jackal]

Oh, you mean that courtyard (though isn't it more an extended balcony at the back of the house?)

[steep musk]

she also has very creative insults

“trash god”

[limpid trench]

I feel like you guys are being sarcastic about alecto

meg is sassy enough

[gray haven]

m not a guy.

And m not being sarcastic. I think she's very sweet and kind.

[limpid trench]

oh sorry my bad

[opal musk]

Should I main a weapon or spread out the use through all of them?

[boreal dagger]

Totally up to you, how you like to play the game

I don't think it's really optimal to do it either way, but that +20% darkness boost on a random weapon is always nice

I usually just pick that personally

[opal musk]

Yeah that seems pretty good for the early game

[swift iron]

I suggest trying them all out at least once as they are unlocked, just to play around with them and see which ones in particular you gravitate toward. I myself mostly stick to the sword and varatha. I could never get the hang of the bow though

[boreal dagger]

Yeah I agree with that fosho. Personally I think my favorite are the shield and the fists

I feel like honestly the bow by itself just doesn't really fit that well into the game's combat

just feels kind of awkward and clunky

some of the upgrades you can get in runs and some of the aspects make it a bit more handy, but I think just stock with standard boons it's very weird to use

[swift iron]

And if I recall correctly it's the second weapon you can unlock so trying that out right after you've been using the sword for who knows how long makes it even more awkward and hard to manage going from melee to ranged

[boreal dagger]

I think the spear is the second one you unlock, bow is the 3rd. But yeah def, it just feels awkward

[limpid trench]

nah the bow is the second, the shield is the third, and the spear is the 4th

[swift iron]

Ah, it's been a hot minute since I've played, even more since I unlocked those weapons lol. The fists are also cool, but I find they're a little too close quarters for me

But they are fun

Fists was the only time I ever died to Theseus and Asterius

[boreal dagger]

Ah my bad, I thought it went from left to right in the weapon select. It's been a hot minute since I unlocked all of them haha

Those guys keep kicking my shoot in

I think I've died to them on the last like 5 runs in a row

[devout jackal]

Remember lads

[swift iron]

Oh, they definitely aren't easy. I considered it dumb luck when I beat them the first time

[devout jackal]

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f5/24/7f/f5247fbb51b1c9c95ccbd98247a14137.jpg

[boreal dagger]

mino does so much freaking damage

its rough fosho

[swift iron]

Hence why I try to get him first lol

And keep to the edges of the arena.

And make lots of use of dash

[boreal dagger]

Yeah I usually kill him and then have low health and no death resist from doing that, and then die to Theseus

[swift iron]

Oof.

[boreal dagger]

I need to learn to be more methodical about dodging and stuff. Often I get carried away and just find myself mashing buttons trying to win lmao, not a good strat

[polar finch]

bow does well in for combat

[swift iron]

Yeah, I get that. Took me a bit to get more patient and be strategic about dodging. Also helps if you have an assist from a god

[polar finch]

you just need to time dash powershots properly

[swift iron]

I particularly enjoy calling on Dionysus to kick Theseus' butt

I was so amused when I got a boon from him later and he straight up said he never liked Theseus much lol

[boreal dagger]

what is this, a fishing hole for ants

https://i.imgur.com/LRwEjNl.png

[swift iron]

Huh, I still need to unlock that...but I keep putting it off so I can get more ambrosia

[boreal dagger]

its def worth it, you get mad contractor gemstones from it

and its just a nice break from the chaos of the underworld on a run haha

[steep musk]

||catch bass on surface|| + use double fishing glitch + double ambrosia = profit

[swift iron]

Oh, I'll have to make use of this

[steep musk]

spoilers for after final boss

[swift iron]

No worries, already beaten it once...but only once.

[steep musk]

its quite helpful, the glitch works on any combat area (so no chaos or charon doubles sadly)

[boreal dagger]

twice now I have got ||Hades|| to literally 20% HP and then died

[steep musk]

f

[boreal dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/ron-swanson-throw-computer-useless-mad-gif-9550833

me both times

[swift iron]

Lol it took me several tries and I kept managing to get the boss down to 0 health the first round only to be slaughtered in the second round when I had no more death defiance. The one time I managed to do it I swear was just dumb luck.

Luck I have not had since.

[boreal dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/the-what-smile-whut-weird-stare-gif-16592004

i did not know there was a second round lmao

[buoyant jay]

I once struggled to get my second win. Now I have 31 and I look forward to many more

[swift iron]

Oops, maybe I should have blacked that out as a spoiler

[buoyant jay]

How do people not see that coming? Probably should spoiler tag that but

||many games final bosses have multiple phases||

When I first ||got hades health down I was like no way it’s gonna be this easy||

[gray haven]

You'll have success faster in your runs if you focus on learning to play and build your best weapon. And when you're better with the weapon, you'll more quickly learn fundamentals like how to evade the different attacks and stuff, which then helps you learn other weapons faster... but that's not necessarily the most fun thing to do.

Follow your heart.

[limpid trench]

How do I use titan blood on my weapons? I don't see an option to do it although I have a fair bit of it.

[gray haven]

You need to unlock all 6 weapons first, then do one more run.

[limpid trench]

oh

[buoyant jay]

You should save it at first though

Until you beat the game once you can’t get that much of it

[gray haven]

It's not doing you any good if you're not using it.

[buoyant jay]

True.

I guess they should just spend it wisely is what I mean, since they can’t get it back when they spend it

like don’t spend it on zag sword if you’re going to be mostly using bow and shield

[gray haven]

Not?

[buoyant jay]

Eh I guess that was probably a bad example

Eventually if they play long enough they’ll probably max all aspects

So it doesn’t matter that much

[polar finch]

zag bow stonks. just put it in zag bow

[buoyant jay]

YES

I just look for any excuse to talk trash about the Stygian blade

[limpid trench]

I should probably get better before focusing on that stuff anyways

[polar finch]

nemesis stonks tho

[buoyant jay]

I don’t think I used it before actually

I only used base and pos sword

[buoyant jay]

You shouldn’t sweat it too much, yeah. Because before beating the game you can only get like six titans blood and maybe more from the wretched broker

[gray haven]

Upgrading your mirror will have the most effect early on.

[buoyant jay]

Focus on the mirror, yes

[limpid trench]

yeah i got lucky and got some titan blood as a reward for beating meg

[gray haven]

No, focus on gifting Nectar and Ambrosia to Lady Aphrodite.

[limpid trench]

yeah, I'll grab the fists first though. I used a few keys on the mirror but I'm trying to balance it a bit

[polar finch]

you dont really need ambrosia early on so you can trade some of it to the broker for titan blood

[gray haven]

Yeah, unlocking the weapons is good.

[buoyant jay]

You get 1 titans blood for a reward for beating Meg, and one for beating the final boss. Per weapon

[gray haven]

Rule of thumb is unlock more mirror talents only if you have the Darkness for it, otherwise just keep unlocking more weapons.

You'll find plenty of Chthonic Keys anyway.

[limpid trench]

yeah I'm picking the darkness path as often as I can, I wish the keys were a bit more common though

I haven't come across them too frequently

[gray haven]

Well, that's good.

Chthonic Keys are the first resource you'll stop having any use for.

But you'll still need more Darkness well after you ran out of use for everything else, pretty much.

[limpid trench]

well im still early game so they are pretty useful as of now, I'm going to quickly get the fists because I feel like those might be fun as an alternative to aegis

[buoyant jay]

Fists can be quick and fun

[gray haven]

I played nothing but Malphon for months when they added them in Early Access.

[polar finch]

put zeus, ares, or dio attack on them

[limpid trench]

aegis seems to have a lot more versatility but I like how offensive the fists seem

[gray haven]

Base shield kinda meh.

[polar finch]

yeah. doesnt do much damage

[gray haven]

I mean, it's safe, but it does like no damage unless you happen to unlock into Charged Shot.

[polar finch]

or going full zeus with explosive return

[gray haven]

Which makes it risky because enemies that don't die have a better chance to hit you.

[limpid trench]

yeah im not using the block as much as I could be anyways, but the bull rush lets me cheese a lot of things and the special gives me a ranged option, plus hitting an enemy into a wall with aegis works pretty well

[polar finch]

fists attack quickly so if you have the damage to strip armor or just breaching cross you can just stunlock enemies and melt them

[limpid trench]

what does the special do? i feel like the fists might have trouble with multiple enemies like numbskulls

[polar finch]

special is a higher damage uppercut that comes out a bit slower

fists do fine against groups because it has wide hitting dashstrikes

[limpid trench]

does the attack or special just lock onto a target or are you able to hit multiple enemies with it?

[limpid trench]

oh yeah i should use those more too

[polar finch]

theyll lock on like any attack but theyll hit enemies stacked on each other

[limpid trench]

huh

well the best I can do is test them out

[polar finch]

yeah

[limpid trench]

hopefully it makes up for the low damage on shield and compensates for the loss of the block and bull rush

[polar finch]

zeus attack does good against groups so you can start with that and look for static discharge

[buoyant jay]

Do you have Zeus’ keepsake yet

[limpid trench]

yeah

[buoyant jay]

Starting with lightning strike is good on fists

So you should bring his keepsake with you in Tartarus

[limpid trench]

is aphrodites boon still useful on gauntlets?

[polar finch]

good on special

[buoyant jay]

Yeah

Good on special

[gray haven]

For the next time somebody asks. https://i.imgur.com/NP6KN7I.png

[odd shoal]

what are the letters for?

[gray haven]

Ranked from S to F.

[odd shoal]

Talos B tier

[gray haven]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Thanks, Amir.

[odd shoal]

Talos really got scammed

Amir bully

[gray haven]

Also one of the most fun aspects to play in my opinion.

[odd shoal]

true

bestlos

[steep musk]

talos > demeter
just because its so fun

[kind remnant]

Zag bow, best 5 blood to spent right awayyyyy

[steep musk]

nah zag sheild

[polar finch]

zag shield without cshot kinda

[gray haven]

It's still pretty good without it. Good base damage and very safe.

Pulverizing Blow is great, too.

[odd shoal]

pulv blow zag kinda underated

like not c shot obviously but still good

[gray haven]

Anyway.

The point is just simply to give new players a reference for how to spend their Titan Blood.

[pliant juniper]

Ah I wish I saw that before I put 3 titan blood into Chiron bow level 2

You can get 6 titan blood before beating the final boss right?

[gray haven]

6 from beating the first boss with each weapon. More if you trade with the Wretched Broker or buy Titan Blood from the 4th biome shop.

Lv.2 Chiron is still pretty decent with Drunken Flourish. And it's very easy to play.

[gray haven]

If you trade in the 6 Ambrosia from beating the third boss, you can get 12 Titan Blood. With that, you could afford the gray levels if you focus on just one aspect.

[pliant juniper]

based on that i'm thinking lv 1 poseidon blade, level 1 achilles spear, level 5 zag shield, level 2 chiron bow,, level 3 zag fists, level 2 eris rail which is 18 titan blood that i can slowly work towards by trading ambrosia and beating the last boss with each weapon

[stoic meadow]

Love how Hera is instantly top tier lmfao

Just run Trippy Flare and blow the enemies up

[kind remnant]

Hera can carry early with 1 blood

[gray haven]

Crush Shot.

But I guess Trippy Flare works.

[gray haven]

For Zag Fists keep in mind that each increase to dodge chance is more valuable than the previous. So getting from Lv.3 to Lv.5 is even more valuable than getting from Lv.1 to Lv.3.

[stoic meadow]

They'll still get stuck in enemies, so you don't get to use the casts more often than Flare, right?
Unless you wanna use Boiling Blood, or have Hermes quick drop powers

[viscid notch]

They wont stick in enemies if you one shot enemies

They'll stick in bosses however

[stoic meadow]

True

[viscid notch]

So you better blow those phases up or have Quick reload

Or both

[stoic meadow]

Doesn't Hera have an innate drop time decrease thru upgrades?

[viscid notch]

yes

It's still kinda slow

[stoic meadow]

Cool

[viscid notch]

But it's good enough if you're not speedrunning

[stoic meadow]

Even at max upgrade?

[viscid notch]

I mean it's pretty good

But you could half it with QR so why not

It's just comfier

5 sec feels like a lot when you're just waiting yknow

[stoic meadow]

Ye

And that's why people run ||beowulf|| lol

[viscid notch]

Hera is also insane for speed

[pliant juniper]

Is Demeter attack or special better on the rail?

[viscid notch]

If it's base Rail with no hammers Special

But it's a low % if it doesnt have rarity

You kinda want other stuff

Like Artemis or Aphro

But it works fine

[pliant juniper]

Base rail, it’s the boon in the first room

[viscid notch]

Special is solid yea

[pliant juniper]

Or cast is the other option, looks interesting

[viscid notch]

Cast can be decent but it's quite Duo Reliant

And the damage isnt that amazing on non cast aspects

[gray haven]

Please spoiler-tag the name ||since she doesn't show up until after you get to the final boss once||.

[limpid trench]

What are asterius's tells? How can I tell when it's about to attack? It's hard for me to get in close to asterius because I can only get in maybe 5 reliable hits before it attacks again, and I keep taking damage from them.

[stoic meadow]

Asterius has basically three tells: sort of running in place, which indicates he'll charge soon, moving his axe above his head to jump, and readying himself to swing by moving his axe to his side. Since his attack pattern is pretty predictable, you can go from that last tell and read his next move:

• You see the tell
• Dodge behind, or away (the timing of the swing can sometimes change, so you could get caught off-guard, but you usually have enough reaction time)
  - YOU SEE HIM MOVING AFTER THE SWING?
  The only attack he can do after the swing attack is usually the one where he jumps at you, sending a shockwave, so you don't even need a specific tell. If you see him move, or turn towards you, dodge to avoid the leap.
  - AFTER THE LEAP, HE MOVES AGAIN
  This means he'll do the thing where he leaps three times in a row, so just dodge some more.

If you see him ready himself for a charge, I personally recommend getting near one of the walls, having him run straight towards it and then dodge away when he comes near. That way he slams into the wall and stops. You can also use the big cylindrical stands in the arena, but he can often charge around them, so it's harder to get him to stop.

And the last tell is sometimes trickier, which is used very infrequently, but is probably the most likely to hit me, at least personally, which is the Bullhorn move. Asterius seldom stops moving, but for this one he does, and he also readies one of his hands to fling Theseus at you when he gets to Asterius. Since the animation for the move is really fast, you might not be able to see it coming if Theseus happened to be close to Asterius, but since Theseus usually camps you out while you fight close-quarters with the bull, he'll often be considerably further.

Anyway, hope this helps! I personally found that all it takes to dodge Asterius is learning his pretty repetitive pattern: if you see it coming, reacting isn't too hard.

That good @limpid trench ?

[limpid trench]

yeah, good

thanks

the 1v1 asterius fight walled me but I'm at it again so I'm hoping I can get through it

[stoic meadow]

👍

[chrome jay]

wait where is meg?

and why is there another fury now

[stoic meadow]

The first and second boss evolve after you beat them a set number of times

So you get new variants as you go

In the case of the Furies, a different Fury can appear in Meg's place

[chrome jay]

so all the attack pattern changes?

[stoic meadow]

Pretty much

[chrome jay]

welp

[stoic meadow]

Although they have the same general move type

Dash - close range swing/spin - fling bullets - those weird circles on the ground

So it's not really THAT different

[chrome jay]

ah gotcha

thx

damn those cardioid bullets are hard to dodge

guess I'll have to dash through

[stoic meadow]

Who's this you're fighting?

[chrome jay]

tisi something

[stoic meadow]

Ah, right

[chrome jay]

keeps calling me a murderer

[stoic meadow]

That bullet attack is mostly dodged by dashing through, yeah

It leaves substantial enough gaps

Though any melee weapon can just poke at the circles and you don't have to dodge anymore

[chrome jay]

I'm using bow

[stoic meadow]

Just break the bullets

[stoic meadow]

I think bow main attack can destroy projectiles, but don't quote me on that

[chrome jay]

it can from what I can tell

[gray haven]

Yes.

[stoic meadow]

So Exagryph is the only weapon that can't deflect with its main attack, then

[chrome jay]

Any tips for styx? It can't just be a dps test right?

[stoic meadow]

Wdym dps test

[chrome jay]

stuff here is tanky

[stoic meadow]

Yeah

But you can dodge it fine most of the time

Except when there are snakestones everywhere but let's ignore that

Any tips I can give is never go into one of the boss rooms first

Since you can't get the sack on the first tunnel

[chrome jay]

.. boss rooms?

[stoic meadow]

Well

Minibosses

[chrome jay]

ok but like

[stoic meadow]

The rooms with the skull beneath the reward

[chrome jay]

which ones

oh

[gray haven]

It's not exactly a DPS check, but experienced players definitely plan their builds with Satyr tunnels in mind.

[chrome jay]

that's what it means then

[stoic meadow]

Yeah

This is true for all other rooms in all other places, too

[chrome jay]

well I have a problem then lol

[stoic meadow]

They also typically give higher rewards when completed, though I don't think it affects any boons/hammers/etc

[stoic meadow]

There are two miniboss rooms

[gray haven]

That's actually contrary to what any experienced player would tell you. The minibosses are a lot more predictable, usually faster, and you get much better rewards.

[stoic meadow]

Three others

[gray haven]

Boons are higher rarity.

[stoic meadow]

Ah, makes sense why I was getting them there

[stoic meadow]

Really?

Hrm, yeah

[gray haven]

Poms, Centaur Hearts, and Obols are double value.

[stoic meadow]

But I remember finding the King Vermin there and that was not fun

[gray haven]

And you shouldn't be missing your second hammer by Styx.

[stoic meadow]

Is that a spoiler?

[gray haven]

Nope.

[chrome jay]

Ok it's not just a tiny vermin is it

big rat miniboss?

[dusty vault]

Is a small rat

But powerful

[gray haven]

Tiny Vermin is probably what they mean.

[chrome jay]

that sounds hilarious but menacing at the same time lol

[stoic meadow]

It's called King Vermin in the Codex

[gray haven]

Anyway, Tiny Vermin isn't so bad once you get some experience against it.

[stoic meadow]

Aha

[dusty vault]

Can also abuse poseidon wall slam boons to be done with styx

[stoic meadow]

Though, I remember Gigantic Vermin once gave me some trouble since it could fill the ground with all those poison pools that never go away, reducing my mobility quite a bit

Is it not safer to go into the non-miniboss rooms?

Probably not faster, by what you're telling me

But they still feel less dangerous

Maybe I'm just bad

[chrome jay]

ok rat is dead

used a death defiance

[gray haven]

Not really because one tanky enemy with a couple adds is a lot easier to keep track of than waves of Gigantic Vermin, Satyrs, Snakestones...

[chrome jay]

but it's gone

[gray haven]

Nice nice.

[chrome jay]

also do the little fountains do anything?

like, drinking does nothing

[gray haven]

Curing Pools. They cure poison.

[chrome jay]

ohh

[gray haven]

Poison wears off after an encounter anyway.

But during the encounter, you keep taking damage until you either cure the poison or finish the encounter.

[stoic meadow]

Yeah, poison can be pretty brutal if you can't cure it in time

[gray haven]

So you just kill them off real quick or dash to a Curing Pool.

If it's getting too hectic when you're poisoned, you can just pause the game right away when you get poisoned, and then look at where the Curing Pool is, where the traps are, where the enemies are... and plan your next move to get there safely.

[chrome jay]

is it completely random in which tunnel the food is at?

rn I'm doing decently but I'm getting chipped on a lot

[gray haven]

Kind of. It's never in the first tunnel you enter.

54% chance it's in the second tunnel you enter.

And then it goes on like that.

So 5th tunnel is very unlikely, 2nd or 3rd tunnel is most likely.

[chrome jay]

after this there's also the final boss right?

[gray haven]

Yeah.

[chrome jay]

I'm guessing I won't be able to push that far lol

[gray haven]

There's a fountain in the room with the sack, so you'll get to heal.

And then you can choose to do more tunnels, which is great for leveling up your keepsakes. But if you want the best shot at clearing the run, you usually don't wanna do more tunnels.

[chrome jay]

well, it IS my second time here

so ig I won't mess around for long

and here I am, healing for the final boss

on my 15th run

[gray haven]

Good luck!

[chrome jay]

thx

I'll probably get decked

but thanks anyway

[stoic meadow]

15 attempts and you're already there? That's sick progress

[chrome jay]

Yeah, it wasn't half bad

[gray haven]

Don't focus on winning, just focus on learning the fight.

That actually gives you the best shot at winning, too.

Also be aware that your empty dashes are invincible, but you don't have invincibility if you dash-strike.

[chrome jay]

"cerberus vanquished (not really)"

lol

[gray haven]

So if you want to evade an attack, make sure that you empty-dash.

[chrome jay]

yo ||hades is BUFF||

[gray haven]

Spoiler tags.

[chrome jay]

I'm dead

||he|| had like 1/5 of health tho

dangit

second death defiance ought to let me win this time

[gray haven]

Pronouns are spoilers, too.

Good luck!

[boreal dagger]

Hey so Oprheus has been gone for like 5 runs now, any idea what the deal is with that? I ||beat Hades and met Persephone on my run before last|| if that matters.

[gray haven]

Second DD definitely helps a lot.

[gray haven]

Just happens sometimes.

[boreal dagger]

He was gone again just now and I bought the ||contract to allow him and Eurydice to get back together||

Hmm, guess I just never saw a character be gone that long, but fair enough

[chrome jay]

a while back the game told me to go to sleep and then some of the story got shown, when is the next one of those gonna happen

[viscid notch]

There's only 1

If I'm not mistaken

[chrome jay]

welp, that kinda stinks

and it's weird at the same time

[gray haven]

There's plenty of story in the game.

[steep musk]

yeah

[chrome jay]

well, when is the next story part

[steep musk]

depends

kinda develops as you go

[chrome jay]

wdym

[steep musk]

keep playing and the story will develop around that

[stoic meadow]

Two, actually, the one where Zag goes to the Administrative Chamber

[stoic meadow]

The story can develop as you deepen relationships with specific characters, or progress in the game

So beating ||Hades|| isn't the end of the story

[chrome jay]

hm, can I develop relationships to the max with all characters?

or do I need a new save file to learn all of the stories

[stoic meadow]

Most of them

If the entry in the Codex has heart slots, and they can be gifted Nectar, then you can progress their relationships

[fleet rain]

You don't need multiple saves lol

[chrome jay]

this includes the Gods then?

[stoic meadow]

Although I think other enemies / NPCs can also progress by number of encounters and stuff

[fleet rain]

Wait did you never give any gods nectar???

[chrome jay]

so the codex is most of the story in the game?

[stoic meadow]

The stories are paral·lel with each other, so they can all happen in different orders

Some story events require you to do specific things before you can trigger them

[chrome jay]

I did, I just never thought about going full hearts on one

[stoic meadow]

But I won't go into those

In short, you can always get all the story, you won't be locking yourself out of anything

[chrome jay]

are those stories spoilers here?

[stoic meadow]

A great deal of them? Yes

By the technical term of "spoiler" in this channel, anyway

Some can happen before the final boss, but I still don't want to spoil them since they're cool to figure out on your own

[chrome jay]

well, then I'm fine as long as it's something you can get before the end game?

[stoic meadow]

You have to do some pretty interesting things to get a bond with some of the chars

[chrome jay]

stuff like zag realizing by complete chance that nyx is not his mother?

[stoic meadow]

Nah that's pretty early into the game

And you aren't really going to miss it

[chrome jay]

hm, for example?

I thought I just needed to gift nectar

[stoic meadow]

The cool thing about Hades is that by choosing who to bond with, you actually sort of open up new "side quests" and whatnot

[stoic meadow]

You know the last heart(s)?

The one that requires Ambrosia to fill?

[viscid notch]

After a certain point you cant gift them anymore so you have to do their Favor to progress the relationship further

[stoic meadow]

Yeah, to unlock said heart slot you need to do something else, and only then can you gift more

[chrome jay]

oh, they did tell me about ambrosia

but like

you can get more than one?

Theseus didn't drop a second one

[slate finch]

choose different weapons

[chrome jay]

oh

[slate finch]

you only get one bounty per boss for each weapon

[chrome jay]

so I need to use the sword eventually

oh no

there IS a limited amount of weapons tho, so does that mean I can't get all of the last hearts?

Or is it just enough

[stoic meadow]

There are better methods that don't involve using weapons you hate...

... that will unlock eventually

Just keep going, running out of a material isn't going to be a problem

[chrome jay]

oh, so not the broker shop

great

won't have to grind materials

[stoic meadow]

And besides, Wretched Broker can work

Although it's still not great most of the time

I remember buying Titan Blood at Styx a few times

[chrome jay]

welp, I'm basically throwing away nectar at this point cuz dusa is just never there

and when she is I can't talk

[stoic meadow]

Lmao yeah

[chrome jay]

wait

I have aphrodite's keepsake

why is there a feather boon

[stoic meadow]

What

[chrome jay]

it was ||demeter||

huh

is ||chill better than weak?||

[stoic meadow]

That's not a feather

That's ||grain||

Story events take priority over keepsakes

It can happen with other events like when Poseidon gives you Huge Catch after you get the Fishing Rod

Also Hermes likes to ignore your keepsake sometimes

[dusty vault]

He is too fast

[gray haven]

No.

[chrome jay]

I have my owl pendant equipped. Why is the room telling me I'll get a hermes boon?

[viscid notch]

Hermes is an exception

[gray haven]

Lord Hermes will show up in every run except like the very first two or three.

Just like the Daedalus Hammers.

[rough warren]

the fists are pretty fun

i wanted to go for dionysus

but he aint giving me attack boons oof

ill try out rolling knuckle

[sterile lantern]

how big of a priority should getting your first weapon aspect unlocked be?

like 20 runs deep and not past elysium so I kinda wanna improve that pace

okay scratch that question lol, just unlocked them for stygius anyways

should I save that titan blood for another weapon or does it have to be stygius for your first every time?

[polar finch]

you unlocked them for all the weapons. just pick another weapon up then interact with its space again

[sterile lantern]

ah I see now, thank you

[rough warren]

so i havent usred any death defiances

what does kiss of styx do now

lmao

ill just use cyclops jerky but

[polar finch]

itll do exactly nothing

[rough warren]

ah wel

[rough warren]

i took the lifesteal instead of flurry strike

was wobndering if i mucked up

[polar finch]

you only want flurry if youre using cursed slash to begin with

[rough warren]

makes sense, i took the double dash strike i guess ill wait for the third daedelus or just use anvil if i have the coin

[polar finch]

dedge really good

anvil prolly wont give you anything good. but it can get rid of cursed if you dont want that

[rough warren]

i wanted flurry ig,

[rough warren]

ill try

i guess lifesteal or something is carrying me i really dont do much damage and now im at ||hades||

[polar finch]

like 50% you lose cursed, maybe 1 in 4 you get flurry

[rough warren]

i guess ive reached ||hades|| with every weapon in every run i just cant bea thim lmao

except bow and rail

[polar finch]

mostly need to put more focus in building probably

[rough warren]

i guess? i tried this time around

i tried going for poseidon dfahs and zeus attack

i got both of them

dont know what else to do though

i got the splitting bolt legendary boon i guess thats good fgor styx

[polar finch]

most important thing after that is getting their status curses jolted and rupture

[rough warren]

i didnt get rupture

i gfot jolted

[polar finch]

then pomming those and tidal dash

[rough warren]

didnt really pom nothing

[polar finch]

poms add quite a bit to those

[rough warren]

guess i need cash money

the shop has two poseidon boons i might get rupture in one of them

poms idk

styx is scary i dont wanna go in every room

[polar finch]

yeah just get the sack and get out

[rough warren]

oh well i really wanna fight the boss for poseidon boon but i got the sack

ooofers then

i died in the ||second phase|| oh well

[rough warren]

@polar finch YOO SORRY FOR THE PINg but i beat em

||with the rail lmfao||

[polar finch]

juicy build

[gray haven]

@rough warren victory screens go in #h1-victory-boasting. They're also spoilers here in this channel.

[rough warren]

Oh mb, pretty sure this build ain't worth boasting about though 😭

[dusty vault]

Every win is worth boasting

[rough warren]

Lmao

[rough warren]

i wanted to play bow since its the only weapon i do not use, i got one titan blood to spend should i use it for aspect of chiron?

[restive portal]

Chiron is a different sort of thing in terms of gameplay. It lets you take a few tactics you wouldn't normally use as easily with the bow. However at low level it's only really good with Dionysius special (but it is very good with that). It's also fine with Poseidon special if you can find Sea Storm and Razor Shoals.

The other "fun at level one" aspect for me is Talos if you haven't unlocked it yet.

[rough warren]

oh i used artemis special instead

ill try out dionysus special too

[restive portal]

It's probably okay with Artemis. You're still "stacking" the crit chance (as opposed to Ares where you actively lose out on inflicting Doom after the first arrow hits).

Be aware that Zeus on special does not strike once per arrow (there's an internal cooldown timer, so you only get 1 hit on low level Chiron most of the time).

[chrome jay]

I did it

I beat the videogame

OH CRAP ||HE ROSE BACK||

[viscid notch]

the best part

[chrome jay]

I died

Dammit

That was all going so well too

If I knew the attack patterns I may have done it

[restive portal]

That is the trick. And if it's any consolation, ||the first phase is generally considered the hardest||.

[gray haven]

I can tell you what the relative strengths are in my opinion, but I can't tell you what to pick. Follow your heart. https://i.imgur.com/NP6KN7I.png

[rough warren]

Alrigh thanks

[rough warren]

Yeah saw a vid know about Zeus alr

[rough warren]

I got a confession, i still haven't got the Dionysus keepsake 😭😭

I keep forgetting to press g on him

[gray haven]

You only get 1 lightning bolt on Lv.5 Chiron normally, too.

[rough warren]

Ig Chiron was much better than normal bow

But

I still died to hydra on one ||heat||

Lmfao

I made it to the duo in elysium with the chaos shield

[gray haven]

||Heat|| is spoilers.

[gleaming mural]

Does anyone know how to get the hidden aspects?

[gray haven]

Requirements for hidden aspects are pinned in #h1-story-discussion.

[gleaming mural]

Thanks

[rough warren]

Feeling like I'm ||back at square one||

[stoic meadow]

||Hardest?||
||The ads are pretty brutal if you get bad luck, yeah, but in phase 2, dodging the stage-wide attacks like the heat waves and vases while being so limited in your movement due to the laser attack is often more dangerous||
||I can see a scenario where you're forced to find cover with vases near you, then the fireball you didn't get to kill explodes, and now you have to dodge the wave AND the vase explosions all while not leaving the safety of the wooden pillar||

[chrome jay]

how many hearts does each character have? Just so I know if I'll need too much more nectar

[chrome jay]

Any tips for ||hades? The second phase is a little bit hectic||

I'm asking cuz I'm going in with 2 death defiances, full 350 health, tons of upgrades and a 60% damage boost

I don't want to waste this chance

[viscid notch]

You just have to take it slow and learn the moves

[chrome jay]

It is the third time I'm here, and this chance just popped up

so I'm hoping to be able to just concentrate and go at em?

[restive portal]

@stoic meadow note that ||"phase 2"|| is a spoiler here.

[chrome jay]

I did it!

I beat the videogame

[dusty vault]

Now boast on #h1-victory-boasting

[gray haven]

This is a collection of tips I've written for the final boss fight: https://docs.google.com/document/d/137Vqe-8fvStMJ_HMlBKWwq3SVdoOED0lOpBBSmgGwtQ/edit?usp=sharing

[stoic meadow]

I spoilered the whole thing, wdym?

[restive portal]

Oh sorry, I had missed that. My bad.

[sterile lantern]

keepsakes don't reset between realms do they? like you won't keep getting 100 obol from the coin pouch or an extra revive from skelly?

[stoic meadow]

They do unless they specifically say they won't

[steep musk]

yeah

[stoic meadow]

Like coin pouch and Skelly revive

So things like God keepsakes do actually reset

[restive portal]

Yes and no. The Acorn resets, the coin purse doesn't (it says "once per run")

[sterile lantern]

oh I see

got my hopes up for a sec lmao

[restive portal]

Good boons do not reset.

You will get a higher chance of rare boons if you see the god again but you only force it once.

[steep musk]

yeah, but if you already have the god in your pool you can force them still
like if you run into artemis in tartarus, you can force her in asphodel and she'll show up for sure

[restive portal]

Yes if you change the god boon to her.

[stoic meadow]

I've been told that while in second biomes it won't force a god to spawn, it'll make sure that the first god that does spawn is that god

Is that not true?

[gray haven]

Yes, that's how they work in any region.

[restive portal]

And note that if you remove the butterfly or the plunge the benefits you had will go away.

[gray haven]

But not if you already used up the charge.

There's a little 1 under the god keepsakes if they still have the charge to force the god to appear.

[stoic meadow]

Huh

[restive portal]

I've had runs where the first god boon I see is chamber 5 or maybe even 6.

[stoic meadow]

So there's no point in keeping the same god keepsake in two regions if you want two boons?

[steep musk]

yes

[stoic meadow]

Good to know

[restive portal]

Well you occasionally want to really aim for a rare book from that god.

[stoic meadow]

And I presume this "charge" isn't universal, so equipping a different god keepsake does force the god to spawn?

[steep musk]

yup

[gray haven]

You pretty much only keep the same god keepsake if you're going hard for that god's legendary, which... usually there's no reason to.

[stoic meadow]

Aha

[restive portal]

But mostly you are better off switching

[gray haven]

This would typically be in combination with Fated Authority.

[steep musk]

while we're talking about legends whats the prerequisites for hermes infernal legend

[restive portal]

There's a codex you can get from Achilles which details all the prereqs

How many runs do you have?

[viscid notch]

Plume or Auto reload

[steep musk]

i know that, just cant access it right now and the wiki refuses to load

cool cool thanks

[gray haven]

Legendary. One out of Flurry Cast, Quick Reload, and Lambent Plume.

[gray haven]

That's with Stygian Soul.

[viscid notch]

oh the one I said is stygian

yea

[gray haven]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/378698566924763148/848044745493446656/postthisifnyatypes.gif

[viscid notch]

casual gamer what can you expect

[steep musk]

its the one legend i havent got and i want those 1000 gems damn it

[ivory phoenix]

is it possible to get two of daedalus's hammer in one run?

[polar finch]

yeah. but the second will only be in the 3rd region or later

[brave sierra]

do bosses have armor? /are affected by any armor damage modifiers?

[dusty vault]

Hydra small heads are affected

[brave sierra]

oo thats right

is that it for armor interactions?

[dusty vault]

minions summoned by meg ig

and ||final boss summons||

[brave sierra]

gotcha ty!

[gray haven]

They don't have armor.

[dusty vault]

oop

[sterile lantern]

so I just tied with thanatos, what's the difference between winning, losing, and tying?

[buoyant jay]

losing you get nothing, tying and winning you get a centaur heart

[sterile lantern]

nice

[limpid trench]

What boons pair well with Aphrodite on shield? I usually go for heartbreak strike and athena's dash, along with whatever else, but what are some actually decent boons for high damage and make it easy to tank?

[regal shore]

wich aspect?

zagg shield?

you could have Artemis on your basic attack and Aphrodite on dash or special and go for heart rend the duo boon

[limpid trench]

zag rn, but once i finish this current run ill unlock the ability to use titan blood

i got the rail on my last visit

[limpid trench]

how do I use the duo boons?

[regal shore]

give me 1 sec

https://imgur.com/a/ukngM65

ok for example

if you want heart rend

you need artemis attack special or cast

[limpid trench]

i actually have an artemis boon and an aphrodite boon rn, do they have to be the same class(like both attack boons)?

[regal shore]

and athena attack special cast or dash

only one of each

and then if you have luck

on an athena or arthemis boon you could get it

[limpid trench]

well like i said, i have the boons, but how do I combine them for a duo boon?

[regal shore]

ok

you have to get another ahtena room

ahtena or artemis

sorry

arthemis or aphrodite

and when you open the boon

there will be

[limpid trench]

an option to combine them?

[regal shore]

no

https://imgur.com/a/bOhwdPv

it will be like this

like a normal option

but is not 100% sure you will get you need a little luck

[gray haven]

Heartbreak Strike > Zeus' Aid > Smoldering Air. Then just double down on boons from Lord Zeus that get you more damage from your Zeus' Aid.

Like Double Strike, Static Discharge, etc.

[limpid trench]

oh damn nevermind, I thought I could just pull them off whenever

[limpid trench]

does this still work even if I dont manage to get the duo boon? also, would athena's dash hurt this combo at all?

ive tried it out recently and it helps me avoid massive damage

[regal shore]

yes

but the duo helps you also

[limpid trench]

yes, athena's dash WOULD hurt this combo? in that case, what dash should I use?

poseidons?

[regal shore]

if you have artemis atack and aphordite special no you only need one of each

in the zeus case

not either

[limpid trench]

so would I just ignore every other boon once I finish it?

[regal shore]

no

you could get all the boons you want before getting the duo

[sterile lantern]

just lost to the champion duo for the first time and finally afforded the second death defiance

other than targeting asterius first, are there any general tips for that fight?

[limpid trench]

Yeah I need that second death defiance asap, I finally got enough darkness for it on this run

[sterile lantern]

nice it'll come in clutch

[limpid trench]

I keep dying in elysium everytime

[sterile lantern]

that makes two of us haha

[gray haven]

It hurts your chances to get the Duo Boon from Lady Aphrodite because it opens up Parting Shot, which... doesn't really do anything for you in that build. But it's still fine to pick up Divine Dash if you see it. If you start to get Heartbreak Strike (or Passion Dash if you're unlucky and she doesn't offer her Attack), then take the Thunder Signet in Asphodel to get Zeus' Aid... your chances of getting Smoldering Air in your run should be pretty good. And also pick up any Favor boons from Master Chaos if they offer that, and look for Refreshing Nectar from Eurydice and buy Yarn of Ariadne from any Wells of Charon you come across.

Then in Elysium just switch to the Evergreen Acorn for survivability for the rest of the run. Or if you somehow lost all your DDs before Elysium, take Lucky Tooth into Elysium and then Evergreen Acorn in the region after that.

[limpid trench]

im pretty dicey on those chaos portals, im not sure if those are worth the risk

[sterile lantern]

oh speaking of the acorn just to clarify is it the boss encounter or the room before then?

[limpid trench]

still havent gotten the acorn, been through asphodel so often and I missed the first ! on accident

[gray haven]

Acorn works in end-of-biome boss fights.

[sterile lantern]

in which case that's an incredible keepsake

will be using that for elysium from now on

[gray haven]

Yeah, it's generally the best in Elysium and the Temple of Styx for survivability.

[limpid trench]

I wish I could do that, I've gotten far in elysium but still havent encountered the final boss(only the midboss one)

[gray haven]

But if you enter Elysium with 0 DDs, you'll probably want the Lucky Tooth instead to help carry you through the region until you can get your DDs back.

Chaos Gates are practically always worth it.

Unless there's like a trial room with two gods you really want.

[limpid trench]

im honestly hoping to die this run soon, Ill be able to buy that sweet death defiance and use some titan blood on my shield

[gray haven]

Or a mid-shop if you have a lot of money that you could spend.

[sterile lantern]

I've been going pouch into tooth unless it wears off before elysium

so I could do pouch > tooth > acorn or pouch > acorn > tooth from now on

[gray haven]

Nah, try to get as far as you can. Focus on learning. You don't get much opportunity to practice the later regions yet, so push as far as you can.

[regal shore]

completely worth

[gray haven]

Lucky Tooth is a bad idea in Asphodel tbh.

[sterile lantern]

yeah chaos portals are always a better option than weak doors imo

[limpid trench]

yeah im still gonna TRY, I just don't want to end up getting to the boss and never again

[gray haven]

Like, it only works after you already lost your DDs. And that early in the run, you wanna focus on getting a better build to not lose any DDs or anything like that.

[limpid trench]

pretty useful in elsyium for me though

[gray haven]

Yeah. But like I said, mainly if you already lost your DDs before Elysium.

[limpid trench]

Im using god keepsakes in both tartarus and asphodel, if I can afford it on my next run, ill use aphrodite into zeus

[limpid trench]

yeah. if you swap out for something else in the middle of the run, the effect goes away right?

[limpid trench]

should I pick it over daedalus hammer upgrades?

[idle perch]

i find it so annoying to control the heart seeking bow---any tips?

[sterile lantern]

from my limited experience no, hammer's probably the best door along with dual boons

[limpid trench]

I wish those rooms always unlocked a duo boon

[fleet rain]

I would say you should because if you miss a hammer, you're pretty much grunted to see another one later

Chaos is rarer

[polar finch]

wdym control? with the bow you pretty much just go into a rhythm of powershotting after every dash

[regal shore]

when you get better upgrades in your mirror

[limpid trench]

ill give one a shot next time I see a chaos portal in tartarus

ive seen them weirdly often

[regal shore]

there is one that increase the chance to get duo and legendary boons

[limpid trench]

yeah ill use my keys on the mirror next now that im done with the weapons

[regal shore]

I'm also new I play lik 30 runs only

[limpid trench]

oh nice

i started on monday, about 13 runs in

having a blast despite how difficult it is

[regal shore]

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide

if you have time to read I learned a LOT from this

but is very long

and also the hades wiki https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Hades_Wiki

[limpid trench]

ill take a look. I'm just hoping that I can figure out all the aspects stuff, while zeus and aphrodite sounds strong i want to make sure I can also use it

[limpid trench]

yeah I've used that

mostly for boons info, super useful

I was kinda meh on aphrodite until Nyaanyaa told me abt it, now it feels indispensable

[idle perch]

I would say steer clear of theseus physically until you've defeated asterius. just the more distance between you two the better you avoid his spear

[regal shore]

I don't have any because I alway try to kill theseus first I hate his 2nd phase

[polar finch]

hating his second phase is a good reason to avoid it till asterius is dead

[regal shore]

jajaja I know

My first win was with merciful end It makes a lot of damage with the ares attack, Athena dash and special on a sword or fists

That could help you

[regal shore]

maybe you could see a video of how to beat them

[gray haven]

Yes. You'll see the hammer again anyway, but you might not see another Chaos Gate.

A lot of the curses are pretty free.

Meanwhile you can get like +30 to +80 max HP from Master Chaos and things like that.

A Centaur Heart only gives +25.

Trap damage is a pretty free curse, you just gotta play a little more careful maybe. Cast damage is free unless you're doing a Cast build, and so is the one that makes it so you can't pick up your bloodstones right away.

Reduced max HP sounds bad, but you get that HP back when the curse is done, so it's actually pretty easy a lot of the time.

Inferno Bombs aren't too bad.

Hidden previews is kind of annoying but doesn't actually hurt you in any way.

[steep musk]

(yeah the game is pretty adamant about you getting two hammers)

[polar finch]

until it makes you miss a shop or story chamber

[buoyant jay]

would you be able to tell if you missed a story chamber?

the shop, yes. but

[gray haven]

+20% to +50% damage sounds a lot worse than it is in practice.

[polar finch]

just dont get hit

[sterile lantern]

the problem's that builds are obviously different for everyone, and it always seems like everyone who posts those vids have way more mirror upgrades

[gray haven]

Special damage is pretty free on most weapon aspects.

[regal shore]

yep i know

[buoyant jay]

if you can't see the previews you wont know if you missed a story chamber since they're never at a fixed encounter.

[gray haven]

Hidden previews is pretty free if you get it near the end of a biome.

Because it's just used up for the boss room and between biomes where it does nothing.

[polar finch]

technically if you have fated authority you can tell if you missed a story room

[gray haven]

Reduced dash distance is pretty bad. No money is pretty bad. More enemies is easily the worst. Reduced movement speed is annoying but actually not too bad.

[regal shore]

You have any weapon that you like? we could help you with some builds

[sterile lantern]

oh that link you posted with builds is pretty helpful honestly

just been going where the dark thirst takes me

[regal shore]

yep also explains the god pool and more things

[steep musk]

fair

[sterile lantern]

but shield > spear > bow for me

haven't even tried rail

[regal shore]

On saturday or sunday we could have a call and try to play runs together

[sterile lantern]

idk I feel I'm doing fine

like I feel pretty strongly that I can get my first escape within my first 50 runs

but I'll consider the call

one thing I've been neglecting is ever using cast at all or even getting boons for it

is it ever really necessary?

like any ranged attack seems like a better option than a limited attack that hits a straight line

[polar finch]

casts can do a lot of damage if you invest into them with certain aspects

otherwise theyre mostly there to proc boiling blood

and maybe a bit of tart ad clear

[sterile lantern]

yeah I honestly convinced myself to use cast first from now on the next run

[gray haven]

Casts will take some experience to really make the most of. Eventually when you've tried some Cast builds, you'll have some reference to gauge if this or that Cast might be worth picking up in a run that's not focused on them.

[sterile lantern]

that makes perfect sense

[nimble geyser]

||hades was on three health||

so close

but i will make it out

one more hit

[daring abyss]

ouch

[chrome jay]

How much more game is there ||after escaping for the first time?||

[spare scroll]

A lot

[teal gyro]

You can try: ||getting all aspects (titan blood upgrades) or escaping with every weapon|| <----- and much more

[ivory phoenix]

are there any keepsakes that can even come close to matching the sheer overpoweredness of a tier 3 lucky tooth?

[viscid notch]

Yes?

Acorn can

[cursive sedge]

A lot

[ivory phoenix]

huh, what does it do?

[cursive sedge]

Like, for completion, you probably need around 200 hours

[viscid notch]

Blocks the first 5 hits from a boss

You take no damage and you dont get interrupted

[cursive sedge]

That’s broken lmfao

[ivory phoenix]

is that tier 3?

[viscid notch]

Yes

[cursive sedge]

Probably

[ivory phoenix]

okay

[cursive sedge]

Eurydice keepsake right?

[dusty vault]

It blocks 3/4/5 hits depending on lvl

[viscid notch]

Tooth is a strong defensive keepsake regardless

[dusty vault]

And ye from Eury

[cursive sedge]

Aight time to level that up

On the final boss, 5 hits may as well be a dd

[ivory phoenix]

couldnt the bone hydras attack where it spams projectiles just use up all of those hits?

[cursive sedge]

Especially with pact

[cursive sedge]

Definitely, so don’t get hit

[ivory phoenix]

alright

[viscid notch]

You dont usually use defensive keepsakes for Asphodel

And if you're that scared of dying then Tooth is usually the go to

[cursive sedge]

Probably just boon optimisation or sheer firepower

[viscid notch]

For Asphodel

[cursive sedge]

I have an unreasonable fear of Theseus cuz he railed me the first time I got to elysium

[oak flax]

yo

[cursive sedge]

I can stably murder him but still, I equip a lucky tooth for some reason

[gray haven]

Lucky Tooth is mainly good for when you've somehow lost all your DDs before Asphodel or Elysium and just want to keep it together until you can get your DDs back.

[cursive sedge]

Patroclus is a Gigachad

[gray haven]

But when you have the Acorn, you mainly want to use the Acorn for survivability in Elysium and the Temple of Styx.

[ivory phoenix]

i have a very much reasonable disliking of aphrodite cause she nearly got me killed when i fought theseus

[cursive sedge]

Love that guy

[gray haven]

And also if you enter the Temple of Styx with no DDs, just take the Acorn anyway.

[cursive sedge]

I didn’t touch trial of the gods rooms for like 10 runs because a god used up 2 of my (then-2) dds

[gray haven]

Serves you right.

[ivory phoenix]

i was talking about her helping him during his fight

[cursive sedge]

Tbh 5 hits from the boss can just kill you, so

[cursive sedge]

Yeah ik

[ivory phoenix]

o

[cursive sedge]

||Phase 2 sucks sometimes||

[gray haven]

Spoiler tags for that.

[viscid notch]

Well that's the point

[ivory phoenix]

the hermes boon that gives you extra dashes is the only reason i survived ||fighting theseus||

[ivory phoenix]

srry

[cursive sedge]

On higher ||heats|| it can probably 2-3 hit you

Possibly 1 hit your half hp revives

[gray haven]

This. Spoiler tag.

[ivory phoenix]

tbh still dont understand why || the minotaur does so much damage, and especially why supergiant made its dash so hard to dodge||

[oak flax]

hey, im having problems with the 3rd skellys prize any advices??

[ivory phoenix]

sacrifice your first born child to skelly

[oak flax]

in skelly i believe 🙏

[ivory phoenix]

i think you mean "in skelly we believe 🙏 "

[oak flax]

skellyism is an optional religion ||for now||

[ivory phoenix]

cant believe we have and , but no skelly emoji

[gray haven]

#h1-high-heat-strategies

[oak flax]

skelly is the true ruler of the underworld he is just too shy to admit it

[dusty vault]

Wasnt that refering to Theseus phase 2?

[oak flax]

thanks

[ivory phoenix]

yes

[cursive sedge]

Wat it’s Theseus

Not talking about the final boss

[gray haven]

Well, Theseus isn't the boss in the Temple of Styx.

[cursive sedge]

Huh

I was responding to a guy saying that he got murdered by an Aphrodite/Theseus attack

[gray haven]

You also said it right after replying to me lol.

Anyway, moving on.

[cursive sedge]

Eh ok

I’ve heard after you murder Theseus in cold blood a lot, he starts to doubt himself and shows anxiety

Is there a choice to tell him that he’s worthless and only fighting to prove himself? Would be funny

[gray haven]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I don't think I've ever heard Zagreus say anything that mean.

[cursive sedge]

God I hate that guy he’s such a narcissist
And I love him for it cuz that’s what makes Theseus Theseus

[cursive sedge]

Fair, he’s sarcastic and snappy at times but never brutal

[chrome jay]

why is there a little key hole in the heart for one of the characters

Do I need to do anything special or does ambrosia do the trick?

[viscid notch]

It's locked, you have to do their favor to unlock it then you can gift them Ambrosia

[chrome jay]

They haven't told me anything yet, do I need to talk to them again?

[oak flax]

how much hours is the main lore

[chrome jay]

Why is literally no one at the house? Dusa isn't here, nor is achiles, not even skelly

is this just terrible rng or is something going on?

[buoyant jay]

theyre all at a party you're not invited to

it happens, its normal

[chrome jay]

oh no, did I miss the party while I was killing stuff in Elysium?

Not fair

[buoyant jay]

yup

i think skelly only disappeared for me like twice, he normally shows up

i don't really know what affects them not showing up. its probably random

[leaden whale]

yo I've been able to clear the game four times this week!

This game is so much fun

[buoyant jay]

nice

[regal shore]

I clear the game 9 times alrready and it don't finish

[pseudo narwhal]

||i think its 10||

just keep going, you'll know it when you see it

[regal shore]

if skelly disappears only change weapon and he appears again

How can i send a message but with the spoiler black square

?

[buoyant jay]

put || on each side of the message

||like this||

[regal shore]

thaks

thanks

[buoyant jay]

no problem

[regal shore]

||like this||

oh that's nice

[gray haven]

@regal shore @pseudo narwhal stuff like ||how many clears you need to get to the ending|| is spoilers here.

[pseudo narwhal]

okay thanks for letting me know!

apologies

[regal shore]

In my favor I don't knew how many but I'm sorry

didn't know*

[gray haven]

Just anything from getting to the final boss onward, including the final boss, is spoilers.

[regal shore]

Oh ok I know now

I'll be more careful about

[chrome jay]

How do I do a favor for a character so I can use ambrosia?

[grave storm]

it's different for each person

[chrome jay]

dusa in this case

[buoyant jay]

you need stuff for the lounge

[chrome jay]

oh God, how much?

[buoyant jay]

there's like 2-3 required items and then you buy 10 more

of any in the lounge section

[chrome jay]

what are required? I already got the deep cleaning and detailing

[buoyant jay]

one rug and the cerberus cleaning

[chrome jay]

I need to buy 10 things for the lounge? They are getting decently expensive

[buoyant jay]

yeah there's 2 items (rug and cerberus cleaning) that you need. and you buy 10 more. so 12 items needed to complete it

[chrome jay]

ok uh

is 1 titan blood for 200 gems worth it

I haven't used a single titan blood so far

and I got like 4

so idk how useful they are really

[viscid notch]

You’ll need a lot of them

I wouldnt trade away titan blood

[chrome jay]

but I'll need to buy 10 lounge things

[viscid notch]

It’s the resource you need most of

[chrome jay]

sure

I'll pass it

[viscid notch]

Gemstones are easier to come by

And bosses will drop them eventually

Upgrading aspects through titan blood will help you get more wins and therefore more darkness/gemstones

[chrome jay]

how do you even upgrade stuff anyway

[viscid notch]

Unlock all base weapons using keys then do a run

[chrome jay]

I'm 2 keys short

damn

[viscid notch]

Quick run should do it

[chrome jay]

but all my runs end up in like styx

[viscid notch]

Also take a look at the Prophecies

[chrome jay]

final boss at average

And I don't want to just throw

[viscid notch]

Just finish a run then

[chrome jay]

30 minutes is kinda slow tho

so I might have to swallow my pride and throw for stuff

[dusty vault]

20 gems gives you 2 keys at the broker

[chrome jay]

or I can do it tomorrow, after being less burned

[chrome jay]

I got 7

[dusty vault]

oop

[viscid notch]

I mean it’s good to get used to builds and enemies and whatnot

So playing more biomes etc is nice in the long run

But ye it can be slow

[regal shore]

i just want to ask how to unlock the hart for megara

[grave storm]

talk to her a lot

[regal shore]

thanks

[untold gate]

f i died to ||hades|| again

||i got halfway into his second phase though so I'm making progress||

i need alot more darkness

[regal shore]

is that or a best build also skelly keepsake could help in the final fight

[limpid trench]

Somehow just beat theseus and the minotaur first try(probably thanks to charged shot and me blocking every spear attack from theseus and the minotaur's leap attacks)

is there anything worth buying in the temple of styx shop aside from boons?

or should I just go into the next chamber?

[chrome jay]

I usually buy whatever I can there, since it IS the last place

[limpid trench]

I can still get rewards from then on from the chambers tho, right?

im at low health rn, I only had one DD and had to replenish it from athena