what rooms do i want to enter when i have a choice
#h1-for-new-players
brazen oxide
Depends on what you want
tight zealot
god fighting ||alecto|| is a pain because the traps in her room
brazen oxide
probs not the answer ur looking for
frank mountain
yeah that's not the answer
brazen oxide
Darkness and stuff in general can be avoided
unless you need it
But yea in general its just what you need
oh right
brazen oxide
so how the game works iirc its 4 gods at one time in a run
yes
so if you take a boon from a god
that god is locked in for that run
frank mountain
i'm assuming keys are important
brazen oxide
so if you dont want a certain god
frank mountain
that god is locked in for that run
ok
brazen oxide
just ignore them if you can
frank mountain
is there any god i should be skipping
brazen oxide
i'm assuming keys are important
you'll want them but they arent insanely important
early they are but after that
brazen oxide
is there any god i should be skipping
really depends on the build.
basically every god early is good
fossil crescent
is there any god i should be skipping
hermes lmao
frank mountain
ok
brazen oxide
Ares is probs the weakest?
frigid salmon
omg i just did so much better, thank you 
brazen oxide
omg i just did so much better, thank you <a:3HC_yay:740663658354311178> <:froghu...
good job 
dusty vault
Hermes isnt counted for the 4 god rule
brazen oxide
^
dusty vault
He is built different
brazen oxide
You mean he's a short king
tight zealot
it's also preference
frank mountain
ok yeah for example right now
fossil crescent
idk i’ve never gotten much use out of his boons so far
frank mountain
i have the option between key and the gem thing
brazen oxide
if ur running bow
viscid notch
Hermes is also very good
brazen oxide
id say
dusty vault
idk i’ve never gotten much use out of his boons so far
You dont like extra dashes?
tight zealot
like just by playing the game you'll notice gods with abilites you like
brazen oxide
emerald ruby thing
you like bow so far right?
frank mountain
i'm using sword
frank mountain
bow felt weird
dusty vault
||demeter and her effects|| are spoilers here
frank mountain
wait i'm talking about what room rn
brazen oxide
tho it doesnt matter
tight zealot
oh my fault!
tight zealot
okay ill keep that as a spoiler
frank mountain
thank you for the god advice
fossil crescent
You dont like extra dashes?
good point, this and sprint are some of the skills i do like
fossil crescent
granted i am not a huge fan of the bow so if hermes is really good for bow that would explain it
frank mountain
DIO WHAT
tight zealot
Oh yeah that extra dash ability is what got me to the final boss
frank mountain
there's a god named dio?
brazen oxide
Dionysus
frank mountain
i've never heard of them
tight zealot
Dionysus
dusty vault
Hermes is good for pretty much any weapon
frank mountain
oh dionysus LMAO
tight zealot
Wine god
fossil crescent
you thought you were playing Hades
frank mountain
i'm definitely going to call him dio now
brazen oxide
ofc the goddamn greeks
fossil crescent
BUT IT WAS ME DIO
brazen oxide
had a god of wine
dusty vault
Hermes is good for pretty much any weapon
Either for extra dashes or things like hyper sprint + rush delivery
Or greater eveasion/etc
brazen oxide
Also poseidon could be decent
but eh
i dont like him much in general
tho a lot of his boons give extra resources early so thats good
dusty vault
Tidal dash good, but not my exact recommendation for sword tbh
Tho cast + breaking wave solves a lot of AoE
brazen oxide
Id say ur best options are just athena, artemis, aphro and ares
for base sword
tho
pls note
that the 4 god rule can be cheated
with keepsakes
you can basically just force another god in there if you want
at least iirc
frank mountain
what's the bag with a skull mean
brazen oxide
shop
frank mountain
better than posiedon?
brazen oxide
how much money do you have?
frank mountain
189
frank mountain
i've currently got deadly strike and no
and i'm assuming i'm on floor 1?
tartarus?
frank mountain
chamber 8
frank mountain
k
brazen oxide
I think you have one more option for a shop on tartarus
cause tartarus is
15 or so chambers?
frank mountain
maybe
k i have tempest flourish, oceans bounty, and sunken treasure
i probably just want sunken treasure since i'm close to dying
oh i do have a revive tho
hmm
brazen oxide
you've never made it past tartarus before or?
frank mountain
no i haven't
brazen oxide
just take sunken treasure tbh
frank mountain
i got to the boss on my second attempt and i died to her
dusty vault
15 or so chambers?
Boss at 14th chamber
brazen oxide
I remember someone in the server thought I was cheating a while back
dusty vault
(with possible 15th chsmber if took a chaos gate ch12)
viscid notch
I remember someone in the server thought I was cheating a while back
Because you're too good?
brazen oxide
Because you're too good?
I got to Elysium on my third run and they were very suspicious of me
tight zealot
is ambrosia for titan's blood a good deal
viscid notch
Yea that's very sus tbh
brazen oxide
Early on it probably is ye
brazen oxide
Yea that's very sus tbh
I got to the final boss of dead cells on my second run. I wouldnt say im good
im just lucky
brazen oxide
no i haven't
anyways gl with meg
frank mountain
sure
this is my third run
i think
pom or shop
400 gold
i'm going to go with shop
fossil crescent
there’s always a shop right before the boss so if you feel like you’re close take it
brazen oxide
i've stil got a revive
you can do it
tight zealot
I'm sad, its been 10 runs total and ive yet to meet best boy
Who's that
frank mountain
NO i was SO CLOSE
frank mountain
improvement was made
chilly ruin
I'm sad, its been 10 runs total and ive yet to meet best boy
than takes a while to appear, alas; ||he’ll only appear after you beat meg 10 times AND beat tisiphone and Alecto each once I think||
grave storm
is it? I thought you have to get into the 3rd area
fossil crescent
is it? I thought you have to get into the 3rd area
it’s both
grave storm
definitely seen him show up in FFTC runs
frank mountain
ive got four keys which weapon should i try out
tight zealot
What do you have
fossil crescent
prolly spear and bow rn, i’d take varatha out for a spin
restive portal
than takes a while to appear, alas; ||he’ll only appear after you beat meg 10 ti...
I'm certain that is not true since on my latest fresh file I got to credits in 11 attempts and had seen Thanatos by then. Probably run 8 or so
tight zealot
Shield is my favorite imo
fossil crescent
Dont take it for a literal spin that's not too good
that’s what daedalus is for
chilly ruin
I'm certain that is not true since on my latest fresh file I got to credits in 1...
oh dang, I got that from the wiki, good to know it’s not necessary
chilly ruin
Shield is my favorite imo
please teach me how king
grave storm
doom attack, block and rush often
restive portal
Wiki is full of bad info.
tight zealot
please teach me how king
What do you mean
Yeah dont use wiki it'll also spoil everything
restive portal
Not all but lots of it. Might just be early release info not updated, but still bad.
tight zealot
Shield is so good it blocks everything fully charged and you can combo really nicely
fossil crescent
Blocking on shield is crucial for some of the bosses
tight zealot
^^
frank mountain
zeus/athena
which one
grave storm
also during the rush you're immune to almost all damage
fossil crescent
i think my first time beating meg was because i could block the bullet hell
tight zealot
Yeah. It gets good damage and utilizes iframes
chilly ruin
gonna sound slightly stupid but what are iframes?
fossil crescent
it’s Rough™️ in asphodel though
||aspect of chaos plus bouncing shields off multiple enemies is really good||
chilly ruin
true
tight zealot
invincibility frames
short bursts of time where you character can't take damage
for example when you dash your character blinks
when it blinks on the screen you can't take damage, hence an iframe
frank mountain
oh god i killed meg and i nearly had a heart attack
i thought i was the one who died
tight zealot
Yep I think that too every time Hahaha
restive portal
If you can get flurry jab on it you'll be happy
chilly ruin
spear is a vibe
tight zealot
Shield is best imo. Spear takes second
But thats also coming from someone who thinks the bosses get easier as they go, not including final boss
valid shoal
Is ||dusas quest just buying out the contractors lounge additions||?
restive portal
Mostly yes. And talking to her at every opportunity to get to the key dialogue.
heady skiff
Someone earlier today mentioned that for optimal sword play, we never wanna use the attack combo? Why is that?
valid shoal
You get more attacks and therefor damage if yoy switch between attack, dash attack, and special
The full combo is slow when it would be faster to do thoughtfully button mashing
heady skiff
Oh, I was doing full combo so far. So with nemesis I wanna do special > dash-attack > dash-attack probably?
viscid notch
Yes
heady skiff
Cool, thanks 🙂
tight zealot
Is it bad I hardly special with my shield?
valid shoal
No unless you have acess to the ||other aspects|| those make the special very strong
tight zealot
Gotcha
heady skiff
Is there someplace I can read details about how the Boon system works? I think that you can see 4 gods or e.g. if you have a boon for your special attack you don't get any more etc.
chilly ruin
as far as i know you can get up to four gods (not including hermes), although people have said you can override that with keepsakes. as for special/attack boons etc, you can get offered another boon for the same feature, but you'll lose the first boon (it will have a specific icon and say "will replace [first boon]"
i don't know any specific place to read (i'd say the wiki but recently found out it's a bit of a mess), but people here are super nice and good at answering questions (and may have a place to read)
heady skiff
Thanks. I've seen streamers selling boons in the pool of purging in-between biomes. I thought they were doing that so they can "open" a slot for a specific type, like Special
chilly ruin
there's a ||pact of punishment that requires it||, or they could be doing something like that. i'm not too knowledgeable about specific spawn strats and such
heady skiff
Ah ok. Not sure what this ||pact|| is , thanks though 🙂
chilly ruin
||it's also called heat, it's something you unlock after you beat the final boss for the first time :^)||
heady skiff
Is this a story spoiler? I havent escaped yet although Ive reached the last boss.
chilly ruin
it's considered a spoiler in this channel since it's past the final boss
it doesn't relate too much to the story, but it gives a variety of ways to make runs more difficult
heady skiff
Will save it for later then 😄
Ah ok, I know about it yet
Hmm yeah you might be right, cuz the person I saw selling their boons were doing that 😛
chilly ruin
yeah, people could also do it if they need coins (like to replenish a death defiance) but i've yet to do that and idk if anyone else has
heady skiff
Cool. I was under the (wrong) impression that they were doing that so they can "free" the spot about a boon type( attack, special, cast etc)
Ty
chilly ruin
no prob!
dusty vault
Thanks. I've seen streamers selling boons in the pool of purging in-between biom...
Replace is 10% compared to the game having priority on those boons if the slot is empty
frank mountain
ok there's no way aphrodite's heartbreak strike giving 69% bonus damage isn't on purpose
tight zealot
heady skiff
Replace is 10% compared to the game having priority on those boons if the slot i...
Sorry not sure I understood this correctly. You mean that the probablity of getting a boon for a slot I already have is 10%?
dusty vault
Sorry not sure I understood this correctly. You mean that the probablity of gett...
(1) If all priority slots (i.e., Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash) are empty, fill all three slots with priority boons,
(2) if an exchange is possible, 10% chance to add an exchange to one free slot,
(3) if 2 fails and there are free priority slots, add one priority boon to one slot,
(4) 50% chance to add a tier 2 status curse (Jolted, Marked, Rupture, Exposed) to one slot if boon requirements are met,
(5) roll for legendary/duo for each remaining slot,
(6) roll for epic for each remaining slot,
(7) roll for rare for each remaining slot,
(8) fill all remaining slots with common,
(9) fill all remaining slots with whatever is available.
From Nyaanya
heady skiff
So about (2): an exchange is possible when, e.g. I have Zeus special and get another god's boon right? Then another god can offer me a special boon with 10% chance. And this takes the spot of a boon that buffs a free slot?
frank mountain
so i have a thing on my bow that gives me 20% more purple gems
is that permanant?
what did i do
can i put that on spear
frank mountain
should i just use that weapon
leaden whale
What a way to make players try out more weapons and not just stay on a singular one lol
frank mountain
even if i'm not as comfortable with it
dusty vault
Doesnt hurt to try
frank mountain
also how do i get the other two weapons
chilly ruin
use keys to unlock all of the ones currently available
frank mountain
i did
heady skiff
They will appear after a certain number of failed runs, don't know exactly how many
valid shoal
Is the ||hades keepsake good||?
frank mountain
what happens if you gift nectar to someone twice
gray haven
So about (2): an exchange is possible when, e.g. I have Zeus special and get ano...
Yes. If an exchange for your Thunder Flourish is offered, you're not offered the priority boon for a free slot in step 3. There's still a chance you'll see those boons in step 6 and following, though.
valid shoal
what happens if you gift nectar to someone twice
You get multiple hearts for your relationship but you only get an item he first time
ionic light
hey any tips for using the arthur sword? it feels so clunky and is the special really useful?
heady skiff
Cool 🙂 So selling a boon does work for opening up a slot if you want a specific boon
frank mountain
You get multiple hearts for your relationship but you only get an item he first ...
is that worth it?
valid shoal
Not currently, you should try to get all the keepsakes and then it’s worth it
grave storm
Is the ||hades keepsake good||?
It's the speedrun meta, for when you're confident enough to take it over defensive keepsakes
leaden whale
is that worth it?
well it's always worth it if you're simping over someone which shouldn't be uncommon in this game
viscid notch
grave storm
me with Orpheus and having his keepsake for too many runs
frank mountain
what does tartarus blood do
and is it a good idea to spend it on 200 contractor gems right now
grave storm
lets you upgrade weapons later, keep it
frank mountain
when can i do that
heady skiff
You unlock these things as you fail runs. I dont think you should spend it
modest storm
yes keep titan blood
grave storm
when can i do that
Unlock all the weapons and do 1 more run
heady skiff
It is my idea or does the bow's attack charge faster if used after dashing?
viscid notch
It is my idea or does the bow's attack charge faster if used after dashing?
No that's correct, Dash-striking makes your powershot charge faster, and it also does less damage
heady skiff
Oh. Are there other such "interactions" and if yes can I read them somewhere?
viscid notch
Oh. Are there other such "interactions" and if yes can I read them somewhere?
Well, every weapon has a dash strike and sometimes you have to train your muscle memory to actively use those on certain weapons like Sword Bow etc and sometimes it’s more instinctive and you don’t give it too much thoughts it just sort of happens, like with the Rail
There isn’t any particular info about those interactions you just kinda get them along the way, there is another one worth noting tho and it’s that Dash striking allows you to start your bullrush faster on Shields
There is definitely other maneuvers and tricks that you gather through experience with each weapon, there is a lot of complexity to each weapon once you dive into it so it’s hard to cover it all, if you are struggling with a certain weapon, or finding your room clearing or play sluggish overall you could ask for advice or watch some more experienced players with that weapon
tight zealot
Is deep pockets or golden touch better?
grave storm
Deep Pockets
Unless you're doing a dedicated Hoarding Slash meme run or something along that line
Golden Touch requires an average of 200ish gold saved up at the end of each region to beat out Deep Pockets
ionic light
Hey how come i dont have darkness or gemstones in my codex yet? 🤔
Even tho i unlocked most weapons by now
frank mountain
how do i get the diamond for the orpheus quest
viscid notch
how do i get the diamond for the orpheus quest
Have you killed the Asphodel boss
grave storm
whack it out of the second boss
frank mountain
Have you killed the Asphodel boss
nope
viscid notch
Hey how come i dont have darkness or gemstones in my codex yet? 🤔
Are you sure it’s still locked? If so it might be a bug because you probably picked up enough darkness and gems by now
But double check, it’s in the Artifacts tab
grave storm
Yeah scroll up in that tab
sonic anchor
hey anyone know how to open hades bedroom
faint umbra
just keep playing the game, it opens eventually :]
sonic anchor
thx
hey
idk how to beat the minotar and thesius
any tips
like the bone hydra and meg are ez
but the those guys are hard
cinder tartan
idk how to beat the minotar and thesius
focus the bull learn his patterns in his miniboss encounter and maybe divine dash
sonic anchor
ok
cinder tartan
np
leaden vale
can I beat hades in hades beefy update?
cinder tartan
depends on your skill
alpine ridge
he's very beatable
vernal roost
Hey, I have two questions :
In the Mirror of Night, I have the choice of Red or Green talents, if I buy both Red and Green talents of a line, do I get both effects in battle? Or it's only the one on the screen when I leave the Mirror?
Also, for Ruthless Reflex (If you Dash just before getting hit, gain +50% damage and dodge chance for 2 Sec.), do I need to Dash then get hit to get the effect? Or If I Dash without taking damage at all I get the 50% damage bonus and Dodge chances?
viscid notch
Hey, I have two questions :
In the Mirror of Night, I have the choice of Red or...
For the first question it’s only the the side that’s on the Mirror screen when you leave
For RR you have to not get hit, it has to be a Near miss basically to get the bonus
vernal roost
it has to be a Near miss basically to get the bonus
Doenst sound worth it as a beginner 😬
Thank you very much ❤️
viscid notch
> it has to be a Near miss basically to get the bonus
Doenst sound worth it as ...
It’s definitely not, playing with 1 dash is very challenging, it’s very tolerable on Shields due to the Blocking mechanic but even then it’s not recommended until you have a good idea of what to do and how to play the Shields, and it’s also good on the 4th Aspect of the Fists, everything else pretty much always wants a second dash, whether it’s for dash-striking or repositioning or ease of dodging attacks, the Second Dash is much more powerful in that context
vernal roost
Yeah I just did a Spear run and I had Ruthless Reflex on... Definetely felt that second Dash missing
Also, does Assaults counts as Attacks damage? (Boons that increase Attack damage increases the Attacks from Assaults?)
viscid notch
Assault is referring to Chaos?
viscid notch
Oh Dash strikes, yes your Dash strikes are based off of your Attack boon and other attack bonuses that you may have, so if your normal standing attack applies Hangover then your Dash strike will also apply hangover
vernal roost
Alright perfect! Ty
vernal roost
Does all the Weapon Aspects stacks together? Or its something a bit more complicated like the 1st 2nd 3rd stack themselves together but not with the 4th that changes the weapon?
vernal roost
Alright, thank you 😊
slow ferry
once you unlock every weapon and then do a run, you'll be able to spend it on aspects
leaden whale
allright what the hell i beat hydra every time with max 1 life this new hydra evolved and kept spawning skeletons non stop
barely killed it with using all my lives
grave storm
yeah kill the eggs before they hatch
leaden whale
if you have artemis's mark boon i'd rather not kill it
it might mark the hydra itself (not the heads..)
frank mountain
yo i beat hydra my first try
and i made it right to the next boss
wish me luck i'ma bout to do it
theseus and the minotaur?
ah asterius
pure pilot
For me Hydra was the only boss I've beaten in first try
leaden whale
i think i discovered a really braindead build by accident XDDD
i'm using the sword with no titan blood upgrades
and took hammer upgrade that u heal 2 hp and have 60% reduced hp
and for boons curse of vengeance + wave of despair
i kill everything while facetanking everything lmao
leaden whale
no way i just killed theseus with this build lol
restive portal
Cursed slash plus flurry slash is a fine approach for a meme build
leaden whale
i dont even know what i did XDDD
leaden whale
Cursed slash plus flurry slash is a fine approach for a meme build
i got that too
restive portal
Held attack I'm guessing
drifting cedar
Cursed slash plus flurry slash is a fine approach for a meme build
& a lot of centaur hearts
leaden whale
dang forbidden path so many stuff i always ignored gold
guys the gold coin with red inscription = 100 gold?
pouch with skelly = ?
pure pilot
Charon Shop
dusty vault
okay ||hades|| whooped my ass
Spoiler mark name of that boss
tight zealot
okay ||hades|| whooped my ass
SAME! You gotta look really closely for hints
For example right before the boss does the spin attack it will spin in a circle creating a slim white line in a circle around it, then it’ll swing its weapon
leaden whale
it was really hard to notice the indicators
guess gonna have to reach him more times before i get the hand of him
tight zealot
Yeah its gonna take a couple runs to start and noticing them
gray haven
Main attacks of final boss:
||skull cast: shoots a skull at Zagreus from any distance, use empty dash to i-frame, never dash away from Hades because the skull will just hit when you recover; applies Boiling Blood on Zagreus for a short duration, Zag will take +100% damage for the duration
bident jab: jabs straight at Zagreus, needs to be close to do it, will never hit Zagreus if Zagreus is simply running perpendicular to Hades's line of approach
spin attack: very slow startup, very telegraphed with a white line appearing around Hades before the attack, moves forward a bit during the spin, needs to be close to do it, use empty dashes to i-frame and/or get out of range (dashing behind and a bit to the right of Hades makes it easier to get out of range)
"Darkness"/invisibility: will do one of the three attacks when he reappears, so be ready for that
Because Hades needs to be close to do the jab and spin, he'll run towards Zagreus if he's too far. That means if you keep some distance from him and he runs at you, you'll know for sure he's going for the jab or spin.||
If you want some tips. 
grave storm
does ||boiling blood|| stack
gray haven
No.
Well, it stacks with things like the ||+10% damage taken|| from the hidden shield.
valid shoal
Is hoarding slash 5% of obol is +% onto attack or base damage onto attack?
valid shoal
And do I need many sysaphus hearts to talk to ||bouldy||
grave storm
Yeah like 5 I think
leaden whale
||theseus|| is so annoying lol i usually kill ||mino|| and when its him alone left he goes in the corner and turns his shield on
takes me 2 lives to get his ass
sick gorge
Should I just go unlocked all of the aspects as soon as I can or is it beneficial to level some up first? Just got to aspects and looking for a little guidance
gray haven
Should I just go unlocked all of the aspects as soon as I can or is it beneficia...
Chiron, Chaos, and Hestia require a lot of levels to really be good. So if you want to use those, you should be prepared to spend a lot of Titan Blood.
For the others, you can just do whatever you like.
Hidden Spear is pretty difficult to use at lower levels, but its no less powerful at Lv.1 than at Lv.5. You just have less HP at lower levels, so you can't make a lot of mistakes.
leaden whale
Main attacks of final boss:
||skull cast: shoots a skull at Zagreus from any dis...
||i just thought i beat him then he got full hp again lol
his green things coming killed me how do you dodge them||
gray haven
||i just thought i beat him then he got full hp again lol
his green things comin...
Here's a collection of some old messages I wrote for the fight. Should be something about what you asked about, too: https://docs.google.com/document/d/137Vqe-8fvStMJ_HMlBKWwq3SVdoOED0lOpBBSmgGwtQ/edit?usp=sharing
dry mantle
||i just thought i beat him then he got full hp again lol
his green things comin...
just gotta stay out of their way. dont waste too much time trying to destroy them all
leaden whale
thanks
icy bolt
||i just thought i beat him then he got full hp again lol
his green things comin...
||just double dash when you get towards them. it will get you out of their way and deactivating them. That's how I do it at least||
||and when i mean double dash just dash as quickly as possible through them||
frank mountain
Why am i not getting the special rewards from the first two bosses anymore
viscid notch
Why am i not getting the special rewards from the first two bosses anymore
Because you've beat them with that weapon so they only drop Darkness unless you switch weapons or unlock Bounties (after you beat your first run)
viscid notch
How do i see who ive beaten with a weapon
The only way to check is by doing a run and looking at the map after you leave Tartarus
Well, the only way for now
leaden whale
is there a way to re-roll my first hammer
if i alt+f4 my game and come back i get the same
gray haven
Nope.
You could die in a run to get a new seed.
Might as well just play it out and get some resources, though. 
Plus, practice and experience.
grave storm
Also dialogue
leaden whale
the 1 game i got every single boon that boosts your shadow gem income i didn't get a single shadow gem room
leaden whale
with what
viscid notch
What do you need help with
viscid notch
The final boss is a spoiler in this channel
viscid notch
Here's a collection of some old messages I wrote for the fight. Should be someth...
Read this
viscid notch
where do i gooooo
Just edit your message and spoiler tag the name
grave storm
you can also pop into builds and combat
sonic anchor
nvm
valid shoal
No
sonic anchor
i found something
valid shoal
How does ||demeter cast work with hera and beo||?
leaden whale
the 1 game i got every single boon that boosts your shadow gem income i didn't g...
That's some rng for ya
Well for me today it was getting tons of coins yet no shops in an eternity lmao
viscid notch
How does ||demeter cast work with hera and beo||?
||It's totally different on Beo because it's a Flare instead so it's a blast rather than a crystal shooting lasers, on Hera it's the exact same as other aspects, it just spawns like at the tip of the arrow when you shooot||
leaden whale
also ||theseus || is the most anti fun boss for me he just goes in the wall each time and has his shield 24/7 on
is there a trick for him i struggle with every weapon with him
viscid notch
After each move he does he will relocate which makes him vulnerable
Usually he'll actually walk away from you
leaden whale
After each move he does he will relocate which makes him vulnerable
i usually hide behind pillars to dodge his spears or arrows w/e it is by the time i get off cover his shield is up
viscid notch
You can do that but try to keep an eye for sound/visual cues whenever he does a move and get ready to move closer to deal damage, otherwise you can keep going back and forth for a long time and barely doing any damage
He's not that fast and with enough practice you'll be able to be point-blank range with him without even using pillars, he's a bit rough due to the Bull tho because you have to pay attention for multiple things
leaden whale
You can do that but try to keep an eye for sound/visual cues whenever he does a ...
just had my easiest run with him with shield i just spammed bull rush without pressing anything else and downed them both with 0 lives gone lol
but it's the most boring weapon
viscid notch
It's safe for sure
sonic anchor
i lost
gray haven
You can reroll gold laurel rewards into other gold laurel rewards and blue laurel rewards into other blue laurel rewards.
leaden whale
and laulel rewards are?
gray haven
The exits have either gold laurels or blue laurels.
Since minibosses in the first three biomes can only have boon rewards, it's a common tactic to save your rerolls for miniboss exits to roll the god you want.
leaden whale
o i see nice
also i just realized you can switch your mirror of night for more things XD
is there a guide for those i'll use a key to reset
gray haven
This one should work. https://youtu.be/MeX_O18y_rE
viscid notch
This is also a good read
leaden whale
This one should work. https://youtu.be/MeX_O18y_rE
what exactly is a status curse?
viscid notch
Doom Hangover Rupture Jolted Weak Chill Exposed and Marked
leaden whale
so any doom boon or any hangover boon counts as a status curse
valid shoal
so any doom boon or any hangover boon counts as a status curse
Yes as long as they have the bubbles by their health and sword above their head
So doom isn’t great since it doesn’t last long
viscid notch
Those all count as curses for Privileged Status however some are unreliable like Mark because it disappears once you crit, and some are less convenient because they are T2s like Rupture Jolts exposed
viscid notch
so any doom boon or any hangover boon counts as a status curse
Yes
icy bolt
You either want chill with Hangover, weak with marked
Jolted with ruptured
Doom is for Merciful End runs
Or you can gather all of them for vengeful mood
But you need the revenge boons
viscid notch
so Aphrodite/dionysis are the best for this
Well they are easy to apply curses and work well together due to Low Tolerance so they are a good combo yes, it’s popular to run pstatus with those two
maiden ruin
You either want chill with Hangover, weak with marked
Weak and hangover is a lot better than chill and hangover
icy bolt
Weak and hangover is a lot better than chill and hangover
Mb sir
maiden ruin
And marked isn't something you should rely on
cinder tartan
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/520688402958516254/660997121406926849/had...
this is so helpfull thx
leaden whale
Oh yeah I feel like I missed all the npc encounters just because I didn't know what the sign meant lol
Actually no I did have one with patrocious I think
chilly ruin
Doom is for Merciful End runs
what are merciful end runs?
cinder tartan
doom attack athena special athena dash duo boon of athena/ares and doom power ups
viscid notch
Nice
shrewd current
Got to the second area. after meg. But i usually have very less health after the boss fight and died pretty soon
so should i work on getting more perm upgrades unlocked with the Keys?
icy bolt
You'll get more mirror upgrades for better boons over time
gray haven
so should i work on getting more perm upgrades unlocked with the Keys?
I guess you already know the answer to that.
shrewd current
i first unlocked all the weapons i can see. Although one more 8 key Costing one poped up
ill get that later i guess
gray haven
But just keep doing runs and see how far you get. You'll unlock things pretty naturally that way.
I'd focus on Darkness over Keys since you'll get Keys inevitably anyway, and you need a whole lot more Darkness than you need Keys.
shrewd current
Yeah die mostly in a area with large crystal guys who fire beams and to meg
shrewd current
Yeah Large one which spawn the smaller brimstones
shrewd current
the room gets pretty crowded and i was having a hard time with a bow
haven't gotten used to dodging yet.
and aiming is pretty rough too
so i suck with many small enemies with a bow and deal fine with large enemies
gray haven
KBM?
icy bolt
Keyboard and mouse gang
shrewd current
i don't even have a mouse so if i play with a keyboard it will be keyboard and trackpad
icy bolt
Hard Running around while also aiming
You'll get used to what are the biggest threats over time
And attack patterns
shrewd current
Yeah. Have a DS4 tho so it's fine. i don't get games which don't have controller support.
Well i have played rougelike or lite before
gray haven
Ah, the auto-aim with controller should take care of things.
icy bolt
Yeah. Have a DS4 tho so it's fine. i don't get games which don't have controller...
I mean, fighting games usually all have. Sports games do as well. Also if you feel like you're struggling turn on god mode
shrewd current
DeadCell.
gray haven
haven't gotten used to dodging yet.
Most important thing to be aware of is that your dashes only have i-frames if you empty-dash. As soon as you press something like Attack mid-dash for a Dash-Strike, you lose your i-frames.
icy bolt
Ah, the auto-aim with controller should take care of things.
I aim with a mouse and it's a blessing
shrewd current
Is there invinciblity frame with a dash?
i didn't know
gray haven
That said, with the bow you generally want to use Dash-Strike Power Shots 99.9% of the time.
leaden whale
Ah, the auto-aim with controller should take care of things.
I remember playing gungeon on switch which is pretty similar to hades in a way and autoaim was just mandatory for normal gameplay lol
icy bolt
Is there invinciblity frame with a dash?
i didn't know
Yes
gray haven
You get invincibility for the whole duration of an empty dash, yes.
shrewd current
i might switch dash to R2 then i guess.
shrewd current
i might switch dash to R2 then i guess.
more used to that from hollow knight
icy bolt
It's very beneficial
gray haven
I've never switched Dash away from default controls, but whatever works best for you.
icy bolt
more used to that from hollow knight
Is hollow knight good?
gray haven
A/X works great for me for Dash-Strikes with the default controls.
shrewd current
Is hollow knight good?
Great imo. although i am stuck at a few bosses so don't wanna play more
shrewd current
although those are the really End game tough bosses
gray haven
Back to hades
I was about to say, might wanna move talk about other roguelikes to #video-games.
leaden whale
That said, with the bow you generally want to use Dash-Strike Power Shots 99.9% ...
Wait, you mean special isn't worth it even against like small crowds?
icy bolt
Got hades for 4.97 usd
I got it for 13.60 euros
shrewd current
I like the power shots alot
shrewd current
the special sucks on bows no damage at all
although would be better with boons i guess
leaden whale
Yeah it's pretty weak
shrewd current
but don't like it so didn't invest in related boons
gray haven
Wait, you mean special isn't worth it even against like small crowds?
Yep, pretty much. Unless you get Charged Volley first hammer, you can pretty much just ignore the Special entirely on base bow.
shrewd current
Idk what's that. what's that supposed to improve
gray haven
There's a rare use of doing a Dash-Strike Power Shot point-blank and finishing off a tankier enemy with an immediate Special, but that's about it.
leaden whale
My first experience with the bow was occasionally spamming special instead of the base attack which was pretty awkward at times lmao
shrewd current
Specials aren't really special. in the way there is no cost or cool down to them. aren't they just another normal attack?
leaden whale
There's a rare use of doing a Dash-Strike Power Shot point-blank and finishing o...
Yeah it does a lot of point blank damage
But good luck executing it in Hades where everything just moves all the time especially later on lol
gray haven
Specials aren't really special. in the way there is no cost or cool down to them...
They do have a cooldown, though.
leaden whale
Specials aren't really special. in the way there is no cost or cool down to them...
Well basically
I used to think there's some sort of penalty for using them and that they're benefiting in some way
shrewd current
not much i think must be around 250 mil second
leaden whale
Well all attacks have cooldown technically
shrewd current
yeah
Specials more like secondary attacks
although casting attack i dont use much at all.
do you get more of those drops?
gray haven
You can get +2 from the mirror for 3 at the start of the run and can find get more with some boons and Well of Charon items.
shrewd current
cool
gray haven
Or instead of the +2 from the mirror, you can also get 1 regenerating bloodstone from it later.
shrewd current
that seems better
gray haven
It's usually not.
Anyway, back to base bow: I suggest you start with the 
keepsake to get her Heartbreak Strike. Then look for Chaos Gates to get Dash-Strike and Attack damage. Also look for Lord Zeus to get Zeus' Aid and then you can get their Duo Boon from either of them. switch to the Thunder Signet in Asphodel to help you with that.
Good Dash boons are Divine Dash (Lady Athena), Hunter Dash (Lady Artemis), and Tidal Dash (Poseidon). I'd pretty much ignore any other Dash boon.
Special and Cast also don't really matter at all. Divine Flourish (Lady Athena) can help with some "bullet hell" rooms though if you're struggling with those, so if she doesn't offer Divine Dash or you already have it, I'd take that. Phalanx Shot (her Cast) is also nice just for the Deflect.
Best hammers would be Twin Shot and Triple Shot, followed by Perfect Shot and Point-Blank Shot. Flurry Shot is nice, too. Sniper Shot does practically nothing. If you don't see any good hammers, Charged Volley is a decent cope and then you'd just get a decent % Special boon (ideally from Lady Aphrodite or Lady Artemis).
Of course if you don't have that many keepsakes yet, you don't have as much control over your build. But try to get a decent % Attack anyway. That is, not the Attack boons from Lord Dionysus, Lord Ares, and Lord Zeus. And also definitely not Poseidon's Attack because that does virtually no damage and has terrible pom and rarity scaling on top of it. (His Dash is amazing, though, busted pom scaling, too.)
Any of the other Attack boons should be least decent. Ideally Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike, though.
upper mango
How much range reduction is twin shot? I was always scared to take it. I did take Point-Blank and Explosive Shot a lot.
gray haven
Explosive Shot would be a lot worse for that than Twin Shot.
Twin Shot straight-up doubles your Attack damage.
upper mango
I did take quite a bit of Sniper Shot, it attracted me because my liking to snipers in shooter games.
gray haven
Any time I've seen anyone take Sniper Shot on a stream, it procced like maybe 3 times the whole run and all the other shots were too close.
upper mango
I did happen to utilize sniper shot quite a lot whenever I took it, though that effort probably would not be necessary if I took twin or something.
gray haven
Yeah, with Twin Shot enemies would probably just be dead.
upper mango
I did manage to get an explosive triple shot in one run, quite the run.
gray haven
lol
I much prefer quick Power Shots with Triple Shot over taking Explosive Shot, but that build can be fun.
uneven sun
Sorry to interrupt, what happens if I "give up" a run? Will it affect something?
gray haven
Next time you load the game, you'll be back in the courtyard before your run like your run never happened.
upper mango
Is Perfect Shot the one that makes power shots easier with 50% damage bonus?
gray haven
It's +150% damage, but yeah.
It adds a bit of leniency at the end of the Power Shot window.
icy bolt
Next time you load the game, you'll be back in the courtyard before your run lik...
The game gets Alzheimer's basically 😆
uneven sun
Next time you load the game, you'll be back in the courtyard before your run lik...
Thank you
icy bolt
Next time you load the game, you'll be back in the courtyard before your run lik...
Does it count as a failed run though? I have 50 hours into the game and I still don't know this
gray haven
@uneven sun also the run seed will remain the same. Although aside from the first chamber and maybe a second or third chamber, things will play out differently unless you replicate certain actions during your run.
upper mango
I played enough bow to subconsciously do the power shot consistently, last time I took Perfect Shot I was still a bit unfamiliar with the proper timings.
gray haven
Does it count as a failed run though? I have 50 hours into the game and I still ...
No. There's a permanent save in the House of Hades and a temp save mid-run. "Give Up" just tells the game to load the perma save next time, basically. So the run actually didn't happen on that save. The temp save still exists, though, and if you ever do that by accident, there are steps to recover it in #h1-tech-fixes.
upper mango
I am not sure if I ever saw that upgrade after that.
gray haven
Y'all can set your roles in #bot-commands by the way.
uneven sun
Hmm, say, if I want to get Ares's favor, giving him many nectar with his keepsake that will give me his boon, after talking to him giving up the run, will my progress just gone?
Sorry for my terrible grammar
gray haven
Right. Or die and return to the House of Hades.
If you "Quit" mid-run, though, it will save your run progress and you'll continue from there next time.
icy bolt
Right. Or die and return to the House of Hades.
"Welcome to the House of Hades"- Hypnos probably
gray haven
"Welcome to the House of Hades"- Hypnos probably
Have you tried not walking on magma?
upper mango
<@!459569676087721986> also the run seed will remain the same. Although aside fr...
Interesting, I remember my game crashed once and my “next attempt” was suspiciously similar to the crashed run.
icy bolt
Have you tried not walking on magma? <:dusa:522248771409543188>
No sir, I have not
After my 50th run
Hypnos just said
"WOW! You died 50 times! More than anybody else here!"
uneven sun
At this point I wouldn't surprised if there is a dialogue if you're already 1000 hours in the game
cloud jewel
do you ever get a reward for finishing a run?
like do you get 500 Darkness for beating the final boss in a run or something on top of any you picked up on the way?
viscid notch
do you ever get a reward for finishing a run?
You either get bounties or Darkness yea
quick drum
cloud jewel
excellent, so it's probably better to prioritise making runs easier with boons etc vs darkness rewards, because finishing the runs will still give darkness
bitter venture
|| how to unlock the hidden aspects of the weapons? defeated redacted 3 times with different weapons till now ||
viscid notch
|| how to unlock the hidden aspects of the weapons? defeated _redacted_ 3 times ...
Read pins in #h1-story-discussion
viscid notch
excellent, so it's probably better to prioritise making runs easier with boons e...
Yea if you want a lot of Darkness your best bet is to actually finish a run that has no bounties, the main source of Darkness is bosses, and pick up any Chaos Eclipse / Ocean's Bounty you find along the way
cloud jewel
awesome
as for the other currency rewards, what is generally the best order to grab them
like gemstones, keys, etc
viscid notch
It depends whether you have the Contractor Upgrades for them, if so Keys & Nectar > Gemstones > Darkness
Early in the run Nectar can be valuable if you have like 1 boon only because you're guaranteed to level it up
Later on it's almost always Keys > Nectar but with Dark Foresight you wont see many Meta rewards anyway
So it shouldn't matter too much
Gemstones > Darkness because Gold is nice, +5 max hp is okay
If you don't have Contractor upgrades for them it doesn't really matter just pick whatever you need most
cloud jewel
the pins in this channel have a weapon guide
but like
genuine question
why does the Bow recommend Attack and Dash-Strike
why does it ever recommend anything that's not Special
pure pilot
Are keys useful after unlocking every weapon and mirror upgrades?
cloud jewel
because every other Bow move feels awful
viscid notch
Are keys useful after unlocking every weapon and mirror upgrades?
No, the only reason you pick them up in a run is because they grant you a fated Authority/Persuasion roll but they have no other use besides resetting the mirror and broker trades which aren't really useful most of the time
viscid notch
why does it ever recommend anything that's not Special
The Special of the base bow is very spaced out and has very low base damage, the only hammer that can improve it Charged Volley and technically Relentless but it's still very weak
pure pilot
No, the only reason you pick them up in a run is because they grant you a fated ...
I see, thank you
cloud jewel
so just get close
dash behind an enemy and use special behind their back
melts through like half of their health bar
viscid notch
Your attack has much better base damage value and hammers favor it heavily like Twin Shot Triple Shot and the second hammer helps it scale even further through Explosive Point Blank Perfect
You dash strike because your powershot charges faster that way
cloud jewel
it still charges
which feels awful in a game that's all about fast movement and reactions
cloud jewel
I disagree personally
viscid notch
It's a rhythm that you get used to as you practice the weapon
cloud jewel
granted this is just my opinion
but I don't know if it's a weapon worth practicing lol
viscid notch
Well it depends on you but if you want to play the weapon properly and get good at it you definitely have to practice it
And Bows arent very intuitive
You could watch some vods to see how it's played and what the damage feels like
gray haven
I would say it's about positioning and timing much moreso than about fast movement and reactions.
viscid notch
Also forgot to mention, your Special leaves you more vulnerable than your dash-strike most of the time
gray haven
That just reminded me that the Bow Special used to have a lot more recovery in Early Access lol.
viscid notch
gray haven
I'll say that the Special seems a lot easier to use at first glance: you don't have to aim particularly well, line up your shot, time or charge anything... but it also leaves you vulnerable for quite a bit after you shoot your arrows, does very little stun, and does very little damage.
cloud jewel
I'll say that the Special seems a lot easier to use at first glance: you don't h...
again, dash behind an enemy and it melts their health bar
nothing compared to the Sword, Spear or Shield but
you know
for the Bow's horrible standards
good damage
viscid notch
It really doesn't melt anything unfortunately
gray haven
I've had RTA WR with one of the bows. I know. Hence why m telling you you'll do way better damage with Dash-Strike Power Shots much more safely. It just takes some practice to get the rhythm down.
And you'll have plenty of hammers and boons to help you with damage, too.
viscid notch
It really doesn't melt anything unfortunately
maybe numbskulls
leaden whale
I didn't find it very useful against even those lol
viscid notch
icy bolt
pure pilot
I'm at 4 won runs now (just bought the game last week) and yesterday I had my best run with a bow. Twin Shot, Perfect Shot, a chaos boon which made my attack stronger, and I did nearly 700 damage per shot. 😄
gray haven
It's useful for quickly finishing off enemies after a point-blank Dash-Strike Power Shot at times, but that's about it. And only when the Special is actually enough to finish them off. So typically just in Tartarus for Thugs or Louts until you get your Attack hammer or whatever to just finish them off with your Dash-Attack alone instead.
viscid notch
Yea that's basically how the bow rolls
But it can do great even with subpar hammers like you dont need the absolute perfect combo to do damage
gray haven
That said, you can totally do runs with just Thunder Flourish + Static Discharge for example. It just won't be anywhere near the DPS potential you get from your Dash-Strikes.
But that's decent for running away and just shooting your Special from very far into crowds.
Or Charged Volley with Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish can do some decent damage, it's kind of a risky playstyle, though.
Hmmm. Pretty sure if you do a Special run where you go for shotgunning with a decent % Special but without Charged Volley, you'd be slower than if you did Dash-Strike Power Shots with no boons at all.
leaden whale
Oh yeah unrelated, but
Any insight on chaos and how worth it can be visiting it? I did get that it's a risk + reward if you stay through it sort of thing you have in games, but I'm just unsure if it really is worth taking it especially later in the game
gray haven
I'd say a good rule of thumb is that unless you have to skip a mid-shop or friendship room for it, always enter Chaos Gates.
Or unless there's a boon from a god that's crucial for the build you want.
And of course, always take over anything and everything.
viscid notch
It can get riskier around Elysium because rooms are harder and if you're gonna carry the curse for a Boss
polar finch
cast builds probably want chaos a lot more than status effect focused builds
polar finch
also minus dash distance
gray haven
That one is fun.
Especially before Lernie.
Probably not as much before Asterius. 
I like when you have that and Hyper Sprint. It looks so funky.
A good combo is reduced dash distance and inferno bombs. 
viscid notch
gray haven
My best combo was those two with -4 HP on Special use on Poseidon Aspect. In Asphodel.
Did I learn anything from that? No. I was gonna get Cast damage... I'd still take it next time it's offered.
I think it was like +70something, +40ish and +1 bloodstones. Worth it.
leaden whale
And of course, always take <:courte5AphroHeart:851568347346894908> over anything...
ofc I simp for her smh
gray haven
~~ofc I simp for her smh~~
Did you know she streams Hades a lot on Twitch? /courtenberry. She even has her own Discord, too. https://discord.gg/aNwD6udwBg
leaden whale
And avoid "Roiling" curses like the plague they are. <:dusa:522248771409543188>
Wait what are those again?
gray haven
The "Roiling" curse from Master Chaos adds more enemies to encounters.
gray haven
Between +30% and +80% more enemies for 3-4 encounters. Newer players often think that's a good idea, but it's typically by far the worst option.
gray haven
The boons you get are random. The first name is always the curse, the second name is the boon.
leaden whale
Oh
gray haven
So it can be Roiling Strike, Roiling Flourish, Roiling Favor, etc.
leaden whale
I see
gray haven
That really is Lady Aphrodite's discord server, by the way.
leaden whale
😳
viscid notch
Does Zeus have a server
gray haven
No.
leaden whale
Day ruined
viscid notch
rip
leaden whale
how many hours y'all got
viscid notch
casual
gray haven
m a lover, not a fighter. 
leaden whale
not much got like 30k hours on another game
i think i'll do some farming runs to max out my mirror
hopefully to be able to buy out the last room big 1.2k gold item
leaden whale
not much got like 30k hours on another game
Lmao what that has to be if I may ask
league
shrewd current
cool
the highest amount of time i played a game would be Minecraft although i don't know the actual time
Daily for 2 years.
drifting cedar
Try Skelly
rotund apex
is a 27 min run decent
viscid notch
is it worth trading nectar for keys
You’ll need a lot of keys so I’d say no
For mirror and unlocking weapons
viscid notch
is a 27 min run decent
It’s decent yes, it depends on your goals like whether you wanna speedrun or push ||heat|| but it’s a good time to start with
shrewd current
You’ll need a lot of keys so I’d say no
1 for 5
viscid notch
Have you unlocked all the parts of the mirror
shrewd current
no
viscid notch
The last 2 are like 50 keys
shrewd current
even weapons are remaining
last 2
and Mirror just got the first upgrade
5 key one
next is 10 key
viscid notch
Keep your keys for now then, the mirror is very powerful and unlocking weapons is also important
You will get nectar throughout your runs anyway so you can work on getting those keepsakes slowly, if you focus on getting a few good ones you wont really need to rush unlocking the rest
shrewd current
oh i am stupid
i thought i can trade the nectar for 5 keys
it was 5 keys for one Nectar
viscid notch
All of them will help you escape pretty much, second Dash, Death Defiances, Thick skin etc
One of the more overpowered ones tho is Dark Foresight
shrewd current
haven't unlocked that i think
viscid notch
But they all help as I said so I wouldnt save for something particular
Just make sure you’re not investing in the weaker ones
Like Golden Touch
shrewd current
boiling blood seems good for bosses
viscid notch
It’s good yea
viscid notch
Sure is
leaden whale
man this is really cursed
i never use casts and each time 2/3 of my boon selections are ones for casts...
viscid notch
Casts can be very good
alpine ridge
casts are very very good
cast builds are among the best builds in the game
they have really good pom scaling, with at least one aspect per weapon that really ups their damage and utility, and a lot of duo boon support
leaden whale
All of them will help you escape pretty much, second Dash, Death Defiances, Thic...
Death defiance is the better one? I mean I guess if you struggle with bosses and mini bosses a lot more than with the normal chambers it is
icy bolt
Me when ||Demeter|| cast build 
Also
Invest in 3 death defiances as soon as possible
It's expensive but worth it
restive portal
Or at least 2
icy bolt
If you still feel unsafe, get skelly tooth for the 4th
viscid notch
Death defiance is the better one? I mean I guess if you struggle with bosses and...
Death Defiance is the better one yes, Stubborn Defiance is used later when you have a particular ||Heat|| Modifier
leaden whale
Mmm ic
icy bolt
Death Defiance is the better one yes, Stubborn Defiance is used later when you h...
Speedrunners on ||heat|| be like "What the Underworld is a dd?"
leaden whale
Lmao
restive portal
The 3rd DD is good but early on I'd also want to invest in some damage and more casts.
leaden whale
Well it seems logical if it's common to rush and die in like every second chamber
although I have no idea how speedruns actually work and all so
viscid notch
Speedrunners could use Stubborn Defiance too
icy bolt
The 3rd DD is good but early on I'd also want to invest in some damage and more ...
Get the cast stacks but buy at least 2 dd first
dusty vault
Me when ||Demeter|| cast build <:shadesmile:520447982727069737>
Sligthy late but ||demeter|| is a spoiler in this channel
restive portal
Yes, that's the order I'd do it.
icy bolt
Sligthy late but ||demeter|| is a spoiler in this channel
I'm sorry
I'm going to spoiler it
viscid notch
Well it seems logical if it's common to rush and die in like every second chambe...
Well when you speedrun you have be very comfortable with all the rooms and enemies and bosses so dying isn’t something that happens often at that point
icy bolt
Well it seems logical if it's common to rush and die in like every second chambe...
In speedruns it's a bit different
There are different type of speedruns
leaden whale
Well when you speedrun you have be very comfortable with all the rooms and enemi...
Ah that makes sense
icy bolt
Game time, irl time, every weapon fresh file, fresh file any weapon etc
Depends on the category really
leaden whale
But overall as a spoiler is speedrunning fun or more of a torture to do
Because it really depends on the game
restive portal
Stubborn defiance is used for healing in runs where there are no other options (for spoiler reasons).
leaden whale
Depends on the category really
Yeah there seem to be a lot available
viscid notch
It depends on the goal but it’s fun as long as you don’t burn yourself out
dusty vault
Game time, irl time, every weapon fresh file, fresh file any weapon etc
We have the best category: OwO
icy bolt
But overall as a spoiler is speedrunning fun or more of a torture to do
It's not really a spoiler, but for any game in general speedrunning is to look for that extra challenge after you finish the game pretty much
icy bolt
We have the best category: OwO
And that would be?
dusty vault
One weapon only
viscid notch
One weapon only
restive portal
I mean that the mechanic which removes healing is a spoiler here.
viscid notch
icy bolt
So sword start to finish in the same run? Fresh file everything? Like the one the game devs reacted to on yt? @dusty vault
The 25 minute one
restive portal
It's doable but very very luck dependent.
viscid notch
That’s called Fresh File
dusty vault
Thats fresh file
OwO means using the 4 aspects iirc
viscid notch
Not owo
dusty vault
In a row
restive portal
Not the most interesting category in my opinion
icy bolt
Sounds boring tbf
I feel like fresh file every weapon speedrun is the most challenging one
Haelian did one in 3 hours I think
restive portal
Yeah that's interesting because the order of weapons and upgrades matters a lot
So there planning involved
icy bolt
And you basically pass up on every interaction with everyone
The most hilarious one imo is when Zagreus sprints by Nyx when she says "Child..."
"NOT NOW MOM I HAVE TO FINISH THE GAME OR ELSE I WON'T HAVE A WORLD RECORD!"
😆
I think that is a spoiler
restive portal
Maybe go to #h1-discussion for that
rotund apex
oh sorry mb
icy bolt
It's fine
I can explain them personally (the bad ending) or I can send you to the guy who explained them to me on yt
leaden whale
do keys have any use after i unlock everything from mirror and unlock all weapons
dusty vault
Some cosmetics things and being able to trade with the broker at the lounge + mirror reset
viscid notch
No, the only reason you pick them up in a run is because they grant you a fated ...
^
leaden whale
gotcha so i shouldn't really prio them
dusty vault
Have at least 15 keys on hand in cade the 15 keys = titan blood trade appears if you want
pure pilot
Have at least 15 keys on hand in cade the 15 keys = titan blood trade appears if...
Thats nice to know.
When I had 3 titan blood at the beginning and didn't unlock more after defeating meg, my first naive thought was that it is capped at 3. So I wasted it for the 200 gems trade. 😅
leaden whale
It's not worth the 200 gems right?
dusty vault
Nope
hardy bone
Hii
I need some help, i have no idea how to open companions
Or whatever it call
And i couldnt find any video about that.. can u tell me how i can?
leaden whale
i just beat the final boss for the first time
been saving my titan bloods any good first one to pump them all?
restive portal
And i couldnt find any video about that.. can u tell me how i can?
It happens only after you've deepenned relationships with characters. Even for my recent fresh for run where I've got out almost every run, I didn't get a companion until past run 40. Companions are one of the last things you will unlock as far as game mechanics go.
viscid notch
i just beat the final boss for the first time
been saving my titan bloods any go...
Just choose a weapon you're comfortable with
There are a lot of good ones
Just know that Chiron hestia and Chaos shield all like Titan Blood so at low level they arent as good
hardy bone
It happens only after you've deepenned relationships with characters. Even for m...
But i saw in video, man has a companion in harder level 4 or 5
I guess
leaden whale
Just choose a weapon you're comfortable with
i haven't bought hera yet
so i understand you get good cast boons and they get inserted in your bow?
viscid notch
Yes so when you shoot an arrow and it hits an enemy the cast pops out and does damage
restive portal
Which to be fair doesn't sound like it would be amazing ... And yet.
leaden whale
Yes so when you shoot an arrow and it hits an enemy the cast pops out and does d...
this sounds op is it good?
restive portal
But i saw in video, man has a companion in harder level 4 or 5
I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean here. The answer to the question of how to unlock companions is to keep taking to NPC's and giving them Nectar as often as possible, and keep doing runs.
viscid notch
im gonna get this bow
Crush Shot is the best, other ones that can work are Phalanx Shot and Trippy Flare, Zeus and Poseidon are okay although subpar, and avoid the rest pretty much
restive portal
But early Chiron is mostly restricting you to use Dionysus for good damage
hardy bone
I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean here. The answer to the question of ...
I saw 1 video about compains, he said upgrade your sword. And he did it, then he said kill the Kelly, and he did it. Then it opened. He gives nectar and get compain
But i didnt trust it that much and dont want to spent my titan blood
So i asked for that, have u any idea about that upgrading sword and killing skelly etc.?
leaden whale
im loving the hera bow i load 3 crystals and 1 tap all ads lol
viscid notch
Yea that's how Hera plays
You one shot anything that isnt a boss as long as you're pomming your cast well and have a few things to back it up
leaden whale
so i understand for boons prio is this
cast ones > damage ones on your basic attacks
if i have the choice
restive portal
I saw 1 video about compains, he said upgrade your sword. And he did it, then he...
Yes, you can do that but it's a waste of Titan blood early on, since there are much better things to spend it on. Wait until you aren't bothered by losing 5 blood to a weak aspect.
viscid notch
so i understand for boons prio is this
cast ones > damage ones on your basic att...
A good boon you can try to get is ||Snow Burst from Demeter||, Quick Reload from hermes will help you with bosses a lot because it makes your casts pop out very quickly as opposed to waiting 7sec+
restive portal
Skelly's companion is also not very good, better off spending nectar on Meg or Thanatos, or even Sisyphus.
hardy bone
So i have to keep run, and one day meg show his companion huh?
I like meg companion so much
restive portal
There are prerequisites to fulfill, but it's mostly talking and giving nectar.
hardy bone
Should i give her normal nectar when i see her?
restive portal
Yes, but getting a keepsake (not companion) from everyone else is probably a better use of nectar early on
hardy bone
I did it
I got all of keepsakes from others
And then i start to save my nectars for traids
But you saying i have to give them to meg, is that correct?
restive portal
The only way to get companions is to be able to give ambrosia to a character. That requires giving them as much nectar as possible, but there are also additional things you need to do.
hardy bone
The only way to get companions is to be able to give ambrosia to a character. Th...
Like what?🤔
restive portal
The wiki will know the details.
The extra thing for Skelly is the sword thing. For Meg it's got something to do with her sisters I think.
I just kept playing and it happened, so I never paid much attention to the details.
hardy bone
I see, thanks for informations😊
leaden whale
guys
i'm in a room with 2 options 1 hammer and 2 special (the one with ! Mark on elisium)
if i skip hammer to go get it will i lose it or will i get it next
dusty vault
If you skip the ! Rooms they wont show up later
restive portal
And the game tries hard to give you two hammers, so take the story room
gray haven
It's not worth the 200 gems right?
It's actually worth it because you'll run out of use for Titan Blood before you run out of use for Gemstones. But since you'll have a difficult time getting more Titan Blood when you're new, and the Gemstone use is only cosmetic, you're usually better off saving it.
But if you ever do a second playthrough when you're a lot more experienced, it's actually a good idea to take those trades from the start.
leaden whale
Wait aren't some renovations having a meaningful effect?
Or I got it wrong
Didn't really pay much attention
gray haven
A few early on that you pay with Gemstones, I believe? But like pretty much 99% of Gemstone use is cosmetic.
pure pilot
The last non-cosmetic stuff I bought with gems were 15 coins in pots for 120 gems and chests with more loot for 500 gems.
dry mantle
Wait aren't some renovations having a meaningful effect?
new carpets are VERY meaningful
lol the fountain chambers are nice. buy those first
leaden whale
A few early on that you pay with Gemstones, I believe? But like pretty much 99% ...
Zad
It's ok
Still pretty cool to have this mechanic tbh
Reminds me of all those games where you decorate stuff and such
frigid salmon
wait do i have to kill ||meg|| every time 
i did and got to the next part and now i’m back at tartarus
viscid notch
Yes
restive portal
Fraid so
viscid notch
It’s how roguelites work, you restart from the beginning everytime
But you get permanent upgrades tho
frigid salmon
that’s funny i was so excited 😭
viscid notch
So that’s good
frigid salmon
yeah i get that now damn 😭
viscid notch
You can get her every single time with more practice and experience
frigid salmon
yeah that makes sense
dry mantle
Hades voice: there is no escape @frigid salmon
restive portal
It'll become easy and you'll both get to like it in the end
frigid salmon
there really isn’t
yeah
i like it i just was so excited and then got slapped in the face by reality 😭
well, back i go 🤧
thank you 
restive portal
To be fair, is not ||always Meg||.
restive portal
Time to get something...
leaden whale
man the room with witches in lava area is the most anti fun thing if you are melee
they run to lava and good luck getting to them
viscid notch
They are annoying yea
If you no Deflect it’s tricky
But you’ll get something to deal with them eventually
Later in the game
leaden whale
if im playing sword in that room i always lose 1-2 lifes
restive portal
Divine dash for early runs is a lifesaver
viscid notch
Use your Special to break projectiles
restive portal
I took it 80% of the time for early clears
frank mountain
can i have some advice on how to deal with shield
specifically for the theseus boss LMAO
i'm using bow