h1-for-new-players

[past turret]

does it help a lot against bosses? i didnt like hangover status so far

[dusty vault]

also grab any global dmg you can get (sweet surrender/billowing strength if you meet zeus and grab a call/blood frenzy if you see ares/etc)

[fluid gorge]

It’s good for bosses cause you can focus a bit more on dodging while hangover deals damage

But you still have to attack cause hangover will eventually stop

And it’ll make things quicker

[dusty vault]

with chiron just mark an enemy, fill with hangover then go mark another while it does its thing

[fluid gorge]

With low tolerance you’ll be stacking it much more and if you can get curse of nausea it’ll deal damage much faster

[dusty vault]

also if you are doing hangover grabbing trippy shot for dio legendary can help too

[past turret]

got it!

[dusty vault]

and if you really wanna try to get everything, artemis call for splitting headache

[fluid gorge]

For dash it doesn’t really matter, you can do passion dash in order to make stacking hangover a bit easier, Athena dash to be safe, or Poseidon dash does good damage

I’d go for dio call since it’s better on just one charge and goes with the hangover stacking thing

And it does really good damage

[dusty vault]

dont do that if you are using hangover special

[fluid gorge]

Oh right it negates it

[dusty vault]

new stacks override older ones

[past turret]

didnt quite understand

[dusty vault]

new sources of hangover override the ones already applied

so if your first source has 13 hangover dmg and another 3 dmg those 3 dmg one will erase the higher dmg hangover

making you do less dmg overall

[past turret]

ohhh

[dusty vault]

most extreme exaple could be dio call and drunken dash
call gets you 5 stacks of like 18 base dmg hangover but if you dash over the enemy at least 3 of those are gonna be dmg ticks of like 3

[fluid gorge]

You could just use Zeus call for a good amount of straight damage

[past turret]

good to know

[fluid gorge]

Or Athena just to be safe

[past turret]

should i take call boons too

[fluid gorge]

Yeah they’re good to have

But focus on building your special and attack first

And dash

[dusty vault]

nothing wrong with having them (outside of maybe preventing a possible pom on something else)

oh yeah on chiron grabbing tidal dash + breaking wave helps a lot in styx

chiron kinda struggles with a lot enemies

[past turret]

i didnt like zeus call that much cuz i think u have to be closer to the boss to deal its damage?

[fluid gorge]

Yeah it’s a bit harder in the styx rooms because they’re so small

So a lot of the arrows just like hit the wall or some other thing

[fluid gorge]

Yeah you do, it’s not ranged

You’ll have to get more comfortable with being closer to the bosses eventually

[dusty vault]

you can help a bit with boons like high voltage but yeah is mostly melee

[fluid gorge]

Chiron bow does allow distance though

[unique wadi]

Artemis call ftw

[dusty vault]

you can also just grab a random call if you want i-frames too

[past turret]

i didnt mind being closer to the boss when i was playing with shield but looks hard with bow

[fluid gorge]

Artemis call would be ok but you have to fully charge it

[zenith cave]

Chiron is awesome.

[fluid gorge]

And probably pom it at least once

[zenith cave]

I absolutely suck with the spear.

[fluid gorge]

Achilles spear you can just do a hunting blades build and it’s an easy win

[dusty vault]

with non chiron bows i almost never stay away tbh, considering triple/twin shot wants you to stay closer

[unique wadi]

I suck with anything that isnt the aspect of arthur lmao

[zenith cave]

I cannot get a clear. It’s the last one I need to clear with to get the titan blood reward.

[dusty vault]

that one is a spoiler here btw

[unique wadi]

oop

my b, g

[fluid gorge]

Use the shield and just block everything and play it safe

[zenith cave]

I’m about to turn on god mode to get through a spear clear

[unique wadi]

I forgot that was a thing

[fluid gorge]

Or you can do Achilles spear and get slicing shot and an Artemis boon and aim for hunting blades and the Ares legendary

[zenith cave]

I need to clear with the spear for the bounty @fluid gorge

[dusty vault]

what aspect are you trying with btw?

[fluid gorge]

And any extra casts or cast damage from chaos

[zenith cave]

Just the base aspect

[fluid gorge]

You can aim for the Artemis legendary too but I never get it

Ah

Do a dash strike build then

[dusty vault]

eh hunting blades still works

just not as crazy

[zenith cave]

I don’t care for the spear so I’m not dumping blood into it.

[dusty vault]

you can also do tidal dash only/smoldering air build/merciful end etc

[fluid gorge]

Since you don’t have the special boost from it just do a dash strike build

Artemis attack and serrated point

And dash strike damage from chaos

[dusty vault]

cast builds will work too to ignore the spear

[zenith cave]

Ok interesting.

[fluid gorge]

You can do hunters dash for the damage or you can do Athena dash to be safe

[dusty vault]

can also do flurry jab + lightning strike and bunch more of zeus

[fluid gorge]

And yeah cast builds still work

[fluid gorge]

This also works very well

Attack speed from Hermes also helps

[dusty vault]

when in doubt, ignore the aspect/weapon and play dash only

[fluid gorge]

True

[past turret]

how do i decide what hammer to choose if i got unlucky and didnt find either?

i got twin/sniper/chain shot just now

i think twin is supposed to be good

[dusty vault]

twin is still solid

you can play chiron as normal bow if 2nd hammer is something like perfect/point blank/flurry

[past turret]

gotya

[viscid notch]

If you’re using Hangover you don’t really need Special Hammers either

But yea normal bow hammers are good

[viscid notch]

Explosive

[dusty vault]

my mind is on hidden bow im sorry

[viscid notch]

Explosive hidden bow gud

[past turret]

i had aph attack and dio special but got artemis dio duo boon 😦

how do u force a duo?

is it still good ? splitting headache

[dusty vault]

filling your core slotes (attack/special/dash/cast) helps to increase duo chances due to those having priority over others, using refreshing nectar/yarn of ariadne to increase chances/picking boons that dont open boons you dont want/etc

splitting headache is good yet anyways

[past turret]

so to force a duo i should ignore the third gods attack/special/dash/cast? is it a play or u generally let it be and try again next run?

[dusty vault]

If i really want the duo i try to think about if but if its a "it helps but im fine without it" i just let it be sometimes

Even more if the other duo open is also good

Like im not gonna say no to taking zeus call to open smoldering air with aphro attack even if i want low tolerance too

[past turret]

makes sense

[zenith cave]

Cool. Thanks for the tips. I’m at the third boss(es). Down a DD. But let’s see what happens. Stupid spear.

[turbid stag]

Yeah I just did this on hera and it turned into scintillating feast double strike smoldering

[zenith cave]

Gods pride or legacy?

[turbid stag]

Legacy, plus probably the most poggers Eurydice I’ve ever gotten (epic double strike, smoldering, Zeus legendary)

[dusty vault]

Unless your builds needs a lot of duos/legendaries pride will give a constency on most of your boons, also better hermes (which has an awful base rarity) and Chaos

[hot horizon]

It's anyways weird when Skelly isn't around.

[grave storm]

He comes back if you swap a weapon

[hot horizon]

I noticed.

It's still weird.

[past turret]

@dusty vault @fluid gorge this build was awesome but honestly my experience couldve been 10 times better if i didnt take twin shot. i know its supposed to be the best but my god that range is aweful with ||chiron ||special

[fluid gorge]

Twin shot isn’t the best with Chiron bow

[past turret]

i got relentless but still

so freaking bad

[fluid gorge]

Twin shot is better with ||Rama|| and the Zagreus aspect

But you mainly just want relentless and concentrated for Chiron, piercing volley is fine too

[past turret]

didnt realize earlier

[hot horizon]

I had a build with crits, 2x backslash damage, 2x damage on the third hit.

Fun.

[fluid gorge]

It’s ok though now you know

[fluid gorge]

Nice

[grave storm]

Yeah twin is for aspects that use the regular attack for dmg output

For chiron it's used more to tag enemies for the special

[fluid gorge]

Yep

If you’re not offered a special focused hammer perfect shot or point blank shot works

Sniper shot would be fine but it’s kinda eh

[past turret]

yeah im having so much fun now without it now its like some kind of weight is lifted off me

i got twin in the first room so didnt knew how the bow was without it haha

[fluid gorge]

Gotcha

[grave storm]

Base bow great with twin tho

[fluid gorge]

Yep

[past turret]

how is support fire with chiron? i have rare but still looks like doing a lot of dmg

[fluid gorge]

Support fire is very good with Chiron

It’s good with any fast attacking weapon or one that gets multiple shots

It’s not that good with the sword and it’s meh with the shield but it’s good on pretty much all the other weapons

Meh on spear unless you get flurry jab

[past turret]

should i put poms in it

[fluid gorge]

No

It’s good but it’s usually not worth pomming

Cause it’s just a one damage increase each time

[past turret]

ohh

holyyy

did i just got omega lucky

trippy shot flurry cast and fully loaded

[past turret]

whats a good keepsake against the last boss?

[viscid notch]

Acorn

Tooth good too

Collar is also popular early on

That’s pretty much it for defensive keepsakes, Spearpoint is also worth mentioning but it’s usually for a bit of a different situation, can work tho

[past turret]

i have max tooth and collar but never tried acorn before

will do

didnt thought it was any good

[ember smelt]

it can help get a head start on bosses

[viscid notch]

It is very good when your fight gets cleaner a little bit, if you find yourself getting hit very often then it might feel a little weak compared to others

[celest fox]

The last boss can hit for like 82

[slow ferry]

Acorn is mathematically better than tooth for the last boss

[celest fox]

So if that's what you are dying to

Acorn really helps

I'm personally a speartip fan. Helps with like ||breaking a pot and getting trapped, into room wide lasers||

And it also helps a lot in Styx if that's an issue for you

Speartip stops you from getting combo attacked basically. It's hard to weigh its value since it's on hit.

So it could theoretically get 0 value

[slow ferry]

Well that's also true of all the other defensive keepsakes

[fluid gorge]

I use the tooth usually

[coarse kelp]

I find running around the battlefield like a headless chicken spamming special with the Zeus aspect shield with the Ares special attack boon as the best strat against ||Theseus||

[zenith cave]

Oh Jesus. The Chiron bow is crazy.

I spend more time laughing at boss heath bars than I do actually fighting.

[dusty vault]

Chiron comfy

[polar finch]

chiron

[zenith cave]

Still working on the dash strike with the bow. Once I get that down, I’ll be happy.

[cursive coyote]

Fated Persuasion re-rolls your three choices when accepting a boon yeah?

Are the dice per run, or per boon?

[ember smelt]

Per run

But within one boon menu (or well of charon menu) the first reroll takes 1 die and the second takes 2 dice and I believe it continues to increase but I haven't rerolled anything twice yet so idk

It doesn't apply to hammers

[dusty vault]

Also you can get fated keys work order to get 1 roll after picking up keys (charon shop doednt count tho)

[knotty rune]

Its very good

adds huge consistency. pretty fun stuff

on the other hand rerolling doors isnt really that great

most door rewards are roughly the same value as each other

A key boon will change the run

but converting a centaur heart into a pom?

or worse yet trying to swap out gods but rolling into coins instead.

if you could roll into trials or shops or even a 2nd story room on the same floor

that would make all the difference

theres a couple ways I feel this game ended up being too balanced and conservative with stuff like that

how hammers have very limited compatibility with different aspects and just straight up don't work whenever it sounds like it might create a unique or whacky combo is probably the biggest offender.

considering how far isaac built its reputation on its unique and out there build combinations,

it would certainly be nice if every hammer worked with every aspect to atleast some level, even if it completely broke the weapon or made something meme.

[hot horizon]

What does "borrow"ing do?

[ember smelt]

is your run going well so far? ||it initiates a hard fight, with a unique reward as well as the money. if you're in tartarus you're probably too weak to win, but you also have less to lose||

[polar finch]

you get 300 gold

definitely no strings attached

[hot horizon]

This run is dead anyway.

[polar finch]

well base is 300

[hot horizon]

Right.

Record scratch.

Okay it's easy until it isn't.

[rich oak]

so

is it just me

or is hestia bow op

[knotty rune]

it is

sometimes hard to load casts into it fast enough to get optimal dps

but burst damage is king

[rich oak]

honestly bow in general

chiron bow is also really good

[fresh current]

No no, bow is S tier

[rich oak]

especially if you get the daedalus thing that adds shots to your special

[fresh current]

Many new players just have trouble adapting to the way it plays. It’s a coin flip really

If you “get” Bow, it holds a very very solid argument for strongest weapon class overall

[knotty rune]

every bow is op, and plays differently

its the patron saint of this games weapon design

[fresh current]

Zag bow is a luckbox except the jackpot is an entire room exploding

Hera is a safe as hell cast build on a class with S-tier hammers to back it up

[knotty rune]

its not really that much luck tbh. if you put artemis attack on it

youll be critting like most of the time

[fresh current]

Chiron is just the freest weapon in the game to use once it’s upgraded and spun up

[rich oak]

no aim

[fresh current]

And Hidden Bow defines S-tier in this game

[rich oak]

i find myself never using cast

it's kinda slow

and low damage

and you have to get the thing back

[fresh current]

Bow mechanics are just 7/10 times awkward for new players to get used to. So if you’ve got your head wrapped around it do you

[knotty rune]

base cast is pretty meh, but it scales really really well, and theres lots of boons that go with it from hermes or chaos

[fresh current]

Hera is more zag bow minus crit plus massive burst damage in the form of cast arrows

[rich oak]

I play with kb+m

so bow is easy

[knotty rune]

feel like bow is mostly fine

except for the dash strike

[fresh current]

bow is the least “obvious” to start playing well

[rich oak]

also I played HLD for like 20 hours before touching hades, so aiming like that is sorta easy at this point

[fresh current]

Specifically how you almost exclusively use dash strike and never regular attack to play most bows optimally

But once you have the rhythm it’s a trance

[rich oak]

wait really

[knotty rune]

so same as every other weapon 😔

[fresh current]

yes really

Dash strike nearly every single time when firing bow

To achieve shorter charge ups for power shots

[rich oak]

i was just using chiron bow
snipe then specialspam

[fresh current]

The art of bow is allllllllllllllllllll in the art of mastering powershots

Chiron is different tbh

It cares much much less about primary attack

But zag bow and hidden bow and hera bow to a certain extent demand mastery of powershot timing

Specifically dash-attack powershot timing which should 99% of the time be used over regular attack because it charges so much quicker

Despite the decrease in dash attack damage, your DPS goes through the roof

[rich oak]

I didn't actually realize you could charge dash-attack with the bow

[fresh current]

And again, when you finally get the rhythm you just go into a trance and the whole room explodes

[rich oak]

i thought it was just a short-range poke

[fresh current]

yeah chiron stands alone

[rich oak]

oh also
how do you refill your god meter or whatever
the thing that lets you call

[fresh current]

For the other 3, take the time to really really learn the timing of the powershot of your primary attack. Again, while dash attacking. Regular attack timing will be different and isn’t generally useful

Do/take damage

[rich oak]

oh
okay

[fresh current]

also ROF of your weapon factors into it weirdly

Which leads to some imbalances

Fists build god meter tremendously fast

[thick yew]

Anyone have any tips for the Minotaur and Theseus

[fresh current]

Bow not so much

[thick yew]

I’m sorry bow?

[rich oak]

that was part of the previous conversation

[thick yew]

Oh

Well any tips

[fresh current]

Kill bull first

Stick and weave

If you’re dying it’s because you’re getting hit too much

Keep a close eye on the crosshair theseus will paint on you

Learn it’s timing. When it’s close to turning red it’s time to duck for a pillar

[thick yew]

Yeah ok thank u

But are there any boons I should look for

[fresh current]

Rather than putting that out there, ruminate on the fact that it’s true.

Think of that like some wise man on a mountain just told it to you. You’re dying because you’re getting hit too often. What does that tell you about offense and defense in this game and the importance of both?

[thick yew]

Yeah that means I need to focus and think but it’s hard to do that when u barely know their attacks

[fresh current]

As a rule, bosses can always kill you much quicker than you can kill them. A slugfest is always a losing trade for you. If you’re dying it’s because you’re getting hit too often

[thick yew]

Sry if I seem rude the boss has pi$$ed me off

[fresh current]

Excellent advice for yourself. Learning boss pattens will be very helpful. Try fighting the first 60-120 seconds of a match with your hands completely tied behind your back as an exercise. This will give you much better opportunity to study their attack patterns

[thick yew]

Yeah and I know how they both work it’s just still a bit hard to focus on both at once

[fresh current]

Theseus will primarily stay at a distance until you engage him. Just keep your eyes open in the periphery for him and watch your character model to see if his target cross has turned red. Beyond that your job is to dance 1 on 1 with the bull until you two are finished

[leaden whale]

Love hades

[thick yew]

It’s great just a pain

[leaden whale]

My game for a long time

Yeah

[fresh current]

Then engage theseus in hit-and-run. Eventually the proper strategy is to actually beat him to a pulp in as short a time as possible to finish the fight, but given he’s a ranged enemy primarily you can chip him away and win the fight your first few times through

[thick yew]

Also just how op is Artemis

[fresh current]

Depends very much on the weapon

General rule is weapons that make big numbers like aphrodite and artemis

Weapons that do lots of hits enjoy effect/curse boons like zeus or Dionysus or ares***

*** with appropriate sub-boon

[celest fox]

Not that OP

Cairon bow with Deadly Flourish will do about 135 damage with 8 specials

But youd do way more with Dio special

About the same including one tick of hangover damage and the on hit special damage.

Artemis is really good on hidden aspects. Good on some of the other slower aspects. Can be solid on fists and other faster attacks but usually its less optimal.

Because Artemis attack/special has such little percentage damage

With Mark and a way to proc crits faster, you can do some really huge damage with Artemis. Really depends on effort/the luck you get.

Like 1500-5000 damage crits.

At that point yeah Artemis is kinda OP

Usually you get that by mixing Artemis and Aphro though. And you still sometimes need a little more crit chance baseline

Which usually requires Athena and another duo

Artemis is really optimal though. Almost too optimal, but having easy options is fine.

Athena is really optimal defensively

[rich oak]

Hidden aspects?

[thick yew]

Heck yeah Artemis just killed Theseus for me

[celest fox]

Hidden aspects are weapon aspects that are unlocked later on

[rich oak]

Ah

[celest fox]

They're the 4th one that hasnt appeared yet

More complex unlocks

[rich oak]

Like guan yu and rama etc?

[thick yew]

Tips for hades

[celest fox]

It's a roguelike. You dont get protagonist mode unless you enable it.

[prime perch]

i feel bad for you

[celest fox]

Yeah it sucks

But its gonna happen

[prime perch]

first time i got past the 3rd boss fight i beat the game

[celest fox]

Keep trying. You got there before.

[prime perch]

i cant remember what i was using

it mightve been spear

[faint umbra]

@thick yew please dont evade the swear filter, its there for a reason

[thick yew]

Oh ok

[zenith cave]

I just got the credits to roll.

[bright sun]

Nice

[viscid notch]

I think one of the gods mention it

That they have to help him too

But the god helping him is one that’s not in your pool

[viscid notch]

The final boss is a spoiler in this channel, read the pinned messages in #h1-story-discussion to make sure you’re doing it right, it’s also worth mentioning that Achilles’ dialogue pool is massive so it takes some rng

[prime egret]

Oh okay sorry

[white apex]

how does the dash thing work with bow? do you have to dash before or after you start charging to make it charge faster?

[dusty vault]

Dash before charging

[shut oak]

is there a way to trigger the epilogue?

[viscid notch]

What Shield and what biome

I meant what aspect of the Shield are you using, for most weapons you just go for 2 gods, one in Tartarus and one in Aspho to get some things that you need for your build, then defensive keepsakes for the rest of the run

[white apex]

hi! how does one use the hidden shield? do you just load all your cast and charge?

[grave storm]

check my copy pasta in #h1-discussion

[white apex]

ty

[zenith cave]

What’s everyone’s favorite shield aspect?

[kind remnant]

Hidden

[grave storm]

Zeus, but watching high level Zag shield gameplay sold me on it somewhat

[fluid gorge]

Zeus is probably my favorite

The hidden aspect is fun too though

Honestly Zeus grew on me a lot, I’d always avoided it and been like nah it’s probably trash and then I actually used it and the damage was insane

[kind remnant]

Zeus with zeus boons

[zenith cave]

Hmm… ok. I’m just trying to decide which to upgrade first.

I’m maxing most of the ones I like now. Chiron is max, Demeter is lvl 4 and Eris is max. Those are my go-tos but I want to use the shield sometimes too.

[grave storm]

Zeus shield doesn't need many levels if you play double Zeus since your damage is from Zeus special + Jolted

[zenith cave]

I don’t care for the sword or spear at all.

[grave storm]

oh you'd have to pay me to play sword

[zenith cave]

Haha

Same. I haven’t dumped any blood into it and I doubt I will.

Until there’s no other place to put it.

[coarse kelp]

same but with the bow instead, I actually kinda like the sword

[zenith cave]

Think the bow is my favorite. Fists are what I do best with. But for actual fun, gimme Chiron.

And Eris rail is fun too because you special, dash, and mash attack. Rinse and repeat til everything is gone. Lol.

[kind remnant]

The hidden bow aspect is poggers

[coarse kelp]

how good is the hidden shield aspect?

[viscid notch]

good

[kind remnant]

Very good

[viscid notch]

One of the best in game overall

For speedrunning/||heat|| etc

Safety and massive dmg

What else could you ask for

[coarse kelp]

what is ||heat||?

[viscid notch]

It's something you'll unlock after getting your first clear

[fresh current]

Drop enough blood into Zeus to unlock it and play with it, but max out zag shield first. Zag shield is the a-10 warthog of this game, a 0-braincell buttonmasher that probably should have been the starting weapon, and it only costs 5 blood to max out. Excellent aspect for early clears and your introduction into postgame difficulty. Has a slightly lower overall power cap than the top tier shields but still a dirt-simple and robust murder machine.

Zeus shield is sliiiightly tricky to master but has a very real claim to most powerful weapon when played optimally. It’s also one of the highest skill ceiling aspects in the game. Manipulating your destructo disk will take time to learn, but with practice it’s unbelievably powerful.

[zenith cave]

Not sure if I’m a new player still.

[gray haven]

Well, ||Heat|| is a spoiler in the channel.

[viscid notch]

Post-clear spoilers ahead:
||Heat doesn’t really determine whether you’re new or not, and it also depends on your goals, if you plan on pushing heat then yea you surely are a beginner, if you plan on speedrunning then it’s more about habits and knowledge rather than just raw heat||

[zenith cave]

Oh sorry @gray haven my bad. I’m not good at discord.

I deleted.

Got it, thanks for the insight @viscid notch . I’ve only owned the game for about 2 weeks so I don’t know what determines where I should ask my questions.

[gray haven]

You can just spoiler-tag things with ||spoiler||.

[zenith cave]

||like this?||

Oh damn. I did it! Haha.

I was convinced that wouldn’t work.

[polar finch]

just ask something in a different channel if possible spoilers. you only use new players if you yourself are worried about spoilers

[zenith cave]

Ok. Will do.

[shut valley]

what is the difference between hades in steam and hades + original sountrack¿

[shut valley]

@pastel cipher

[pastel cipher]

you get a digital copy of the soundtrack as well as the game with the Hades + orginal soundtrack combo @shut valley

[white apex]

how many hearts can you have with an npc?

[frosty girder]

As many as are available

There are no real secret hearts

But some have so many they have to be compressed

[white apex]

do they all have the same amount of hearts, or is each npc different?

wait nvm, read it like an idiot

[grave storm]

not everyone is the same

[coarse kelp]

what's a good build for the Aquiles spear?

[dry mantle]

Achilles aspect is all about using the special to power up, and then maybe getting some backstab damage lol
I remember once having Ares doom on the special and Aphrodite on the attack
I got access to their duo boon and it just ate away at the bosses

I usually lean heavily on Ares, and i was very happy with the Ares+ Aphrodite duo

[languid dune]

How do I unlock the last heart for Artemis

[kind remnant]

For zeus I had to give ambrosia

Do you have any ?

[languid dune]

No

[dry mantle]

well then off to elysium you must go

[grave storm]

Her last heart is just a lot of dialogue

[kind remnant]

[past turret]

ive give nectar to almost everyone

who do i spend more nectars on?

[kind remnant]

Whoever you want to like you more

[past turret]

uh

[dry mantle]

i focused on maxing the "others of note" ||for the companions||

||well, mostly to reunite achilles and patroclus asap lol||

[onyx bolt]

give all the nectar to Skelly

every last bit

[kind remnant]

I did cause he's my number 1 homie

[onyx bolt]

good

[kind remnant]

And meg cause zag is thirsty

[onyx bolt]

yea

haha i beat meg on my 2nd run

[kind remnant]

Same

[onyx bolt]

the only experience i had before my 1st run on my pc was 1 run on my friend's switch and i got to meg

[kind remnant]

Same

[bright sun]

i beat meg on my third

[onyx bolt]

sick

[rich oak]

how to play shield

[celest fox]

Just bull rush into groups

[kind remnant]

Block

Then bullrush

[celest fox]

Kite for a bit, maybe tap with your special, rush

[kind remnant]

Hulk smash

[celest fox]

Yeah you can hold the charge while they come closer

[rich oak]

sounds boring
i'll go back to bow

[celest fox]

This blocks

That's basic shield

[kind remnant]

Bow is the best

[celest fox]

There are other aspects

[kind remnant]

I'm very biased

[polar finch]

get charged shot, now shield is better base damage bow

[grave storm]

I used to can't stand shield until watching some high level gameplay

And realized it was Pretty Cool Actually

[polar finch]

its cool if you get explosive return or cshot

[grave storm]

Askskaj not a cshot fan

like to nyoom

[knotty rune]

shield is really based

it pretty much feels like what the sword was meant to be pre dashstrike spam

close range and aggressive, then and the longer range / aoe special

[ember smelt]

god mode but for fishing
edit: posted in wrong channel oop

seriously idk if i'm ever gonna catch a legendary fish, my reaction time is just slightly too slow

[rich oak]

Why is dashstrike meta

Doesn't seem all that good to me

[polar finch]

watch a high ||heat|| sword video then try doing that with standing attacks

[knotty rune]

its just faster pretty much

faster attack speed, and you dont have to stand still, you keep moving

and passive i-frames the whole time

actually more range too

the base sword is pretty bad all things considered

and DS pretty much makes up for all of those weaknesses

theres some other reasons too

[polar finch]

well you dont get iframes once you dash strike

[knotty rune]

theres a mirror upgrade that makes you do 40% more damage on enemies who have 2 debuffs on them, so if you put a debuff on both the attack and the dash, thats pretty much passively active all the time

[polar finch]

double edge happens to double dash strike damage. but priv status aint really meta

[celest fox]

If your reaction speed is fast enough to play Hades its fast enough to get a Perfect Catch

[ember smelt]

but it's not. i rely on the damage resistance of god mode to semi-cheese a lot of battles

[kind remnant]

For me perfect catch is more about mind set. I have to sit up focus and tell my brain ahead of time not to flinch

When I get nonchalant I always fall for the fake Bob

[white apex]

is rare crop good?

the demeter boon

[proper robin]

depends when you pick it

[white apex]

im in tarturus

[proper robin]

yeah do it

you'll end up with heroic boons

[white apex]

oh cool

[fresh current]

Rare crop is weird

It’s only as good as the boons you have currently equipped

I’ve been gifted a purple rare crop when I only had one other boon. It was then I knew grandmother hated me

[viscid notch]

Lol

[fresh current]

True story. Sat staring at my screen for a good 5 minutes. Sure was a shiny posiedon cast though boy howdy

[fresh current]

#h1-for-new-players message

[ember smelt]

i know it's based on how quickly you reel it in, i read the wiki. i do not have sub-half-second reaction time

[fresh current]

I wrote a little on this. Reaction time will always be there a little, but you can get quite good at "counting cards" when fishing once you know what's happening under the hood

it's not about raw reaction, it's about predicting the game

[sudden steppe]

Watch the lights, not the bobbing

[fresh current]

fishing isn't wholly random, it has rules that you can understand and abuse

understanding what's happening helps tremendously. I rarely miss a perfect catch anymore and my reactions are nothing special

[sudden steppe]

For controller players, you can rely on the vibrations as well

[fresh current]

Read down a little bit from that link i posted, i go into detail about how fishing "operates"

[grave storm]

The real ||grandma's|| troll is when you're ||on AP2 with no rerolls||, done with Styx going into the last room, and decide to buy her boon and get ||forced into Epic Rare Crop|| and can't afford to take more tunnels

[fresh current]

Epic gamer moments

[slender anchor]

Lemme take a page from the hearthstone handbook. Stupid dumb annoying thing ahead||should've played around it ||

[white apex]

i just took ||asterius|| down in like 15 secs with the hidden bow, this thing is insane omg

[fresh current]

There’s a reason it’s S-tier

To the point of lacking challenge sometimes even. Hidden bow makes biiiiig kabooms

[white apex]

i got twin and perfect shot and, its regularly hitting for over 1000, i love this

[slender anchor]

I used to think it was a special spam weapon :/ i was so wrong

[white apex]

same

[fresh current]

Hidden bow is so powerful you can literally use half of its kit and win games at low postgame-difficulty

Girl built different

[timber citrus]

sorry for potato english is not my main language

[viscid notch]

You get 1, also ||Heat|| is a spoiler in this channel

[timber citrus]

sorry Is my first time writing in the discord my bad

You must pet him before every run for good luck

[turbid stag]

yeah if you're not dashing everywhere thats wrong

[frosty girder]

Nah

You will get used to it quickly

[turbid stag]

it took me 46 attempts to get my first win. your mileage may vary

[frosty girder]

And eventually you will find a weapon you like so

[frosty girder]

Damn took me 52

I was good with rail so used that

[turbid stag]

took my brother 26, but his second clear was 55 lol

[frosty girder]

Then I switched over to fists for 2 games and cleared it immediately

[turbid stag]

yeah, meg is going to kill you a bunch

now you're getting it

[frosty girder]

Divine dash

It’s so useful

[grave storm]

You can actually deflect certain attacks with Athena boons

[frosty girder]

There is a boom for dash which blocks her damage and reflects it back

[grave storm]

Deflecting later bosses' physical attacks is such a dopamine hit

[kind remnant]

Did that happen to you because that's kind of hilarious

[grave storm]

yes, like a few days ago

Fortunately it didn't hit my core boons

though I'm admittedly fuzzy on whether I ran out of rerolls or took Authority to meme

[kind remnant]

Took me 36 to roll credits and you're way better than me, is there a chance for me to be The One? Lol

Nah

[turbid stag]

I also have 400 hours in the game on 442 runs

you can get there too Gary 🙂

[kind remnant]

Did you win?

[kind remnant]

I'm feeling discouraged about the maxed hard labor and no healing meta

[grave storm]

can't remember. Wanna say no because I was doing a lot of ||GY EM4||

[kind remnant]

Well you're all going to the same place

[white apex]

by the skin of your teeth :P

[viscid notch]

It's a good ratio yea

[white apex]

i havent really tried the spear yet, but the bow is awesome when you use the dash charge thing

if you dash just before you start charging your attack it will charge up faster

[grave storm]

he gives you an item that makes his passive wares last longer

[white apex]

its something you equip before you start a run that stays there untill you unequip it

[kind remnant]

Try again

[viscid notch]

Good progress

[kind remnant]

My advice would be save titan blood until you've tried every weapon

[viscid notch]

You have to unlock every base weapon using keys

Then do a run, after coming back to the house aspects should show up for you to invest titan blood

[rich osprey]

the answer to a lot of questions you'll probably have is just found out by playing the game

also, not everything needs an answer right away, some things are left unclear on purpose

[white apex]

does the attack boon (etc aphrodite) on the hidden bow have its status effect applied to enemies with shared suffering? or will the weak effect only hit the first one i aimed at?

the enemies are dying too quickly to see for myself Q_Q

[kind remnant]

With the special ?

Should apply to anyone you hit

[white apex]

i mean if you hit someone with main attack, will the boon effect be aplied to everyone hit with the special

[kind remnant]

Oh no I think it's just damage that transfers

[white apex]

ah okay

[kind remnant]

Weak applied to who you physically hit

[upper junco]

Im getting hades for Christmas any tips on the game?

[kind remnant]

Play it

[white apex]

xD

[viscid notch]

Pretty good tip

[bright sun]

True

[bright sun]

No it's not

I disagree

You literally have infinite block with no drawback

Maybe

[viscid notch]

Every weapon is good in its own way, I wouldnt compare weapons to each other yet, atleast not until you've played enough with each of them, including aspects

If you find a certain weapon underwhelming maybe ask for advice on how to build it to make sure you're using it to its full potential

[white apex]

what are ||erebus gates||? like ||chaos gates|| or something?

[viscid notch]

It's a challenge encounter (better rewards), but you cant get hit at all through that encounter or you wont get the reward

[white apex]

is it worth the 5 diamonds early on? or should i wait a bit before buying it?

ive only had 8 escapes so far

[viscid notch]

It would be one of the last ones I buy because it has a ||Heat|| requirement to enter, and in later biomes such as Elysium it just becomes a gamble because enemies you get in that encounter can be tough

[white apex]

ah okay, ty

[fresh current]

If you’re losing games with shield, you’re not mashing your face into the controller fast enough

Use fewer braincells. Never charge up bullrush or defend. Just unga bunga around the room until everything is dead. Aphro attack, ares or Zeus on special. This is the way.

Bow will suit you nicely then

Or spear

[viscid notch]

The time will come eventually

[fresh current]

Yeah you’ll get there lol. Just enjoy the ride

[white apex]

(that is the coolest sentence i have ever read ngl)

[fresh current]

That feels like the text to a bleeding edge meme in 2033

[white apex]

i know lol, but it sounds like a quote from something like stephen king or lovecraft lol

[fresh current]

Some olde English necronomicon vibes itt

[white apex]

special spam time

[fresh current]

Unlock those literally last

They have extremely slim margins of error, and the reward is ordinarily just alright. Definitely not necessary and definitely dead last on the diamond purchase tier list

Even at high level during a run they’re not usually taken. Very meh risk/reward

[past turret]

How does Dire Misfortune work?

????????????

[bright sun]

Very funny

[fresh current]

Dire misfortune…. What’s in the description for that one?

[dusty vault]

after applying doom, any other source of doom you apply adds the bonus it says to Doom until it triggers

so with chiron for example: first arrow from your special volley, applies doom then the other arrows adds bonus doom dmg

[fresh current]

Ohhhhh that. Like they said it puts a little Dionysus in your Ares. The base hit of doom will still function normally but every additional stack of doom you’re able to apply after that will provide additional damage when doom triggers

Bit of a situational boon since you’re not usually hunting ares on fast firing weapons, but it does real damage and it works. 10/stack is nothing to sneeze at. Just rare to find yourself in a situation where those stars line up

For scale, that 10 damage per hit is the exact same as a common Zeus attack boon. So while doom’s timer is ticking, your weapon basically has a Zeus boon bolted onto it until it expires

[restive portal]

Albeit one that won't bounce.

[fresh current]

True

[restive portal]

If you get relentless volley and concentrated volley the damage would outstrip that though. +3 more for each hit with 12 shots means the average bonus per hit is about 18. So it's okay, but it's not game changing.

[kind remnant]

Just block with the shield

[past turret]

@dusty vault i thought so too but it kinda sounded broken so i was like no way

isnt this op against bosses?

u just max this and ID

[dusty vault]

you arent adding that much dmg, also you still have only some seconds before doom triggers anyways

you certainly can get a big doom tho

[past turret]

oh i cant pom it

makes sense now

[celest fox]

Dire Misfortune isnt amazing. It only really works on hidden bow special I'd say

Perhaps Zeus special

Chiron might even work. Hidden bow definitely works great for like, raw doom damage though

[dusty vault]

hidden rail is fun to try too

[kind remnant]

Dash

[grave storm]

Some are harder than others

[deep furnace]

I'm really bad at avoiding the heart that follows you during the aphrodite trail

I think athena is easier than most

[orchid swallow]

Personally I think Athena's is the easiest

All it does is make enemies immune to all attacks for a short amount of time

[fresh current]

Athena is a snooze fest, posiedon is manageable, aphrodite is posiedon Hard Mode, artemis and ares suck about in equal measure, grandmother and dionysis suck one degree worse then them

And never, ever, piss off zeus

[celest fox]

I dont mind Zeus so much. Artemis seems simple too

[fresh current]

Artemis and ares feel like the choice between many smaller spots of damage or fewer larger ones

[celest fox]

Avoid smallish aoe markers

I honestly almost never take Artemis first

Hers just seems simple. I think I've been surprised by the damage I've taken from it once

While all others tend to do more

[fresh current]

I forget exactly what zeus is, but it’s engraved quite clearly in the side of my skull DON’T PISS OFF ZEUS so I assume it’s there for good reason

[celest fox]

Especially ||Demeter||. I remember a bloodless just camping the vortex spot

Last enemy

[fresh current]

Grandmother is No Fun Allowed mode

Her in particular

[grave storm]

I find ||Demeter|| practically free, unless you're ||on TD3||

or ||have a cursed pact||

[dusty vault]

spoiler mark y'all

[kind remnant]

I find ||demeter|| and athena easiest

It doesn't chase you, so just move Haha

[grave storm]

Dio is fine since his puddles don't move fast and don't track

[dusty vault]

||demeter|| trial is annoying in small rooms

also a bit weapon dependant ofc

[kind remnant]

Now you're learning

[fresh current]

There’s one enemy left in the room. It’s in the middle of a blizzard and I’m playing fists. I have no mouth and I must scream.

[grave storm]

Grab a slushie and wait for it to come to you

[celest fox]

Mb forgot she was spoilers territory

Yeah Hydra isnt too bad

Hydra has really high burst damage but you can clear the extra heads pretty fast

Which is for the best

And just dont be near it when its slamming its head against the ground

I think all heads do that

For reference, the heads do switch up

The fight changes slightly every time

[kind remnant]

Gamer

The run killer

[kind remnant]

No

It is not

It's an action RPG

I mean sure

Gaming in general

[turbid stag]

Being good at a game like dark souls will be beneficial but the only way to get good at hades is to play a lot of hades. Like I mentioned earlier, 40ish is the average runs for a new player to get their first win. It’s a process, the slog literally is the story of the game

[knotty rune]

it would be more helpful to have experience with something top down

like hyper light drifter or isaac

also the rhythm is way way faster than DS

since theres no stamina

[bright sun]

i had some previous experience with enter the gungeon

It definitely helped me

[knotty rune]

now that i think about it

its really rare for action roguelikes to have this much emphasis on build building

most of them your build is entirely random

the types of decisions you make in hadee are more akin to a card based roguelike

[celest fox]

DS and Hades did help me with Curse of the Dead Gods

But that game's combat feels like a rough mix of the two and other similar systems

Fast action combat with a stamina system

[polar finch]

i played CotDG right before hades

[white apex]

that game annoys the hell out of me sofar, i keep getting hit cause i think i have more actions available lol

[celest fox]

I'd say its harder

Never got far into hard mode

[white apex]

i read somewhere you need a nectar on your tenth escape to get the last keepsake, right?

or after your tenth escape?

[polar finch]

after

you can just gift whenever after

[white apex]

ah okay

i assume you need to give it to ||your mom||?

[white apex]

(i didnt intend to sound mean, its legit question)

[celest fox]

Funny coincidence that that is a spoiler

[white apex]

i forgot her name Q_Q

[polar finch]

ye

[white apex]

how do i get past a locked heart in someones relationship? or is it a spoiler?

i have locked hearts on megaera and dusa

[knotty rune]

its different for every npc

some of them require you to get others unlocked first

[polar finch]

wiki

[knotty rune]

for dusa i think you just need to renovate the lounge

or maybe you need to do that before that point

[white apex]

fair enough lol

[knotty rune]

even after you get the requirement

youll still probably have to do a few more runs

to cycle the dialogue to the unlock scene

alot of them its pretty obvious

because theres a clear quest associated with them

[hot zinc]

can anybody show ares duo boons?

oh wait theres wiki lol

[ember smelt]

you can't gift to this character until she shows up in the house after credits roll

[ember smelt]

for meg, the heart will unlock after the 2nd cutscene in zag's room. it's random which run it will happen on so you just have to keep doing runs, you'll get 1 cutscene then another one then the heart will unlock

also, dude that's an amazing ratio. i REACHED her for the first time on run 5 and didn't win the fight until run 15. then I beat boss 2 for the first time on run 26, boss 3 for the first time on run 35, and the final boss for the first time on run 42
In this genre of game, you're basically expected to die to every new challenge the first couple times before figuring out how to succed, the fact that you only died to regular tartarus enemies once and meg once before beating her for the first time means that you're very good at video game

[past turret]

I feel lost.. i want more titan blood to upgrade aspects but i dont wanna play 2nd heat. It feels a bit hard to me

[hot zinc]

then dont play 2nd heat

[past turret]

And in order to play different weapons i have to spend titan blood on them for aspects

[ember smelt]

do you still have any unfulfilled prophecies with titan blood rewards?

[hot zinc]

there are so many prophecies? wow

how do i get merciful end?

do i get athena flourish and ares attack or vice versa?

[viscid notch]

Depends on the weapon

[hot zinc]

ok what if i use sword

[viscid notch]

Then yes

Ares attack Athena Special

[hot zinc]

oh but i tried that it didnt work

[viscid notch]

Merciful End then Divine Dash and impending doom

There is rng to it

[hot zinc]

oh

so i should get divine dash and ares attack and athena flourish

g r e a t

[viscid notch]

No

Divine dash is not a requirement

[ember smelt]

the duo is able to be offered once you have the requirements, but it's random whether it's offered on any given boon screen

[viscid notch]

But it’s very good for Merciful End builds because it procs the dooms more effectively

[hot zinc]

dang

nice

[ember smelt]

once you have the last couple mirror talents unlocked finding specific boons becomes easier

[viscid notch]

You can check your Codex for requirements on duo boons

[ember smelt]

if they've done that diamond purchase!

[viscid notch]

Yea

[hot zinc]

nice, btw im gonna get 8 keys and i havent unlocked the fist weopon yet, should i unlock it or should i unlock the other talents

[frosty girder]

Fists

They are very strong early game

[gray haven]

You'll need Darkness for the mirror, so if you don't have much Darkness to upgrade any new mirror talents you unlock anyway, just go for the weapon.

[hot zinc]

oh ok

[gray haven]

Cthonic Keys are gonna be the first thing you run out of use for pretty early, so just spend them on whatever seems fun.

[upper junco]

Ye also nice aerith pfp

[gray haven]

Thank you.

?

1. Be kind.

[white apex]

is dusas companion good?

i just got it, wondering if i should level it

[knotty rune]

its my favorite to use by far

since it summons her and she floats around and shoots enemies for you

and stays around for the entire fight once your fast enough

so rather than just being a flavored burst of damage

its like shes really there tag teaming with you

as far as dps though

youre probably better off with a basic nuke one

[gray haven]

Her DPS is pretty good, and petrifying unarmored enemies is amazing.

She'll also tank some enemy projectiles for you just by being around.

The most popular Companion is definitely Battie, but Fidi is great.

[fresh current]

Batties are for bozos

This post brought to you by bouldy gang

[rich osprey]

was companions supposed to be a gameplay element before getting ||10 successful escapes?||

[gray haven]

Not necessarily.

[knotty rune]

you can technically get most without finishing a single run

😔

[gray haven]

They're locked behind affinity, not clears.

[knotty rune]

i certainly didnt get any

for more than 30 hours of gameplay

since i spread my around

[gray haven]

I got them all long before I ever saw the ending because there was no ending.

[knotty rune]

tbh bouldy is the best one

youll forget to use it on bosses anyways

so might as well take the 50 darkness per run

[rich osprey]

i thought we just had to keep talking to folks, not bribe unlock more convo with them with nectar, until my like 8th escape

[knotty rune]

some of them youll have to talk to them alot

because you have to complete their quest

which could involve another person as well

1 of those quests i still havent completed

[knotty rune]

its definitely pretty unsatisfying once you get the hidden aspects

that you cant 1 hit kill them

having to 2 hit minimum most enemies

[gray haven]

Twin Shot is your friend.

[knotty rune]

true i just got twin shot on a run today and could do that

[gray haven]

Also Triple Shot and Serrated Point.

[knotty rune]

even though the hammer says "reduced range"

that really oversells it

the range is still really good with twinshot

[gray haven]

Hera can also effectively one-shot everything that's not a boss, pretty much.

[knotty rune]

enough that its pretty much always worth it

it would be nice if crits would overflow damage from breaking armor

all things considered though, id say the game would be worse for having less armored enemies

stunlock is a nice novelty that makes you feel powerful, but it really takes away from the focus on dodging and evasion

and its a nice bit of depth to have to start out a fight more cautious, but then can bully them around freely once you get past half hp

[rich osprey]

usually if you can make it to the heroes your second or third time, you'll beat them

also you wanna go for broken boons every run ;)

[past turret]

i regret using my TBs on a single weapon because im struggling to find more (dont wanna play heat)

im planning to complete runs with every weapon single TB aspect usage

what do u guys recommend

[kind remnant]

There are a few really easy heat that don't really impact the game that's good for early titan blood, just FYI

[past turret]

ive done 1 heat with conv fee

what else are easy?

[knotty rune]

tight deadline on the bottom

its scary

but really never an issue

also extreme measures 1 and 2

should probably stick to those for as long as you can

[kind remnant]

Forgive me I don't remember the names but the first heat of the timer. You just have to clear the first world in less than 9 min, which if you've cleared before shouldn't be hard at all as the time compounds

The one that gives mini bosses extra moves. It's easy, also you can just skip mini bosses half the time

That'll give you like 2-3 easy heat which is 6 titan blood per weapon

[past turret]

@knotty rune thanks ill try

also is it true that i should take all non zag aspects to complete runs with each weapon?

[kind remnant]

If you do a fast firing weapon that chains damage like the rail worh zeus attack, the one that adds a blue heart you won't even notice

[past turret]

saw it in a reddit thread

[polar finch]

||middle management, benefits package 1, and underworld customs are pretty free||

[knotty rune]

zag aspects tend to be weaker than the other aspects

but if its bow or rail, youre fine

[kind remnant]

Zag bow tho

Is amazing tbh

[polar finch]

well theres a prophecy where you gotta clear once with each weapons and gives a lot of titan blood

[kind remnant]

With the right boons

[past turret]

i have lvl 3 aspect of chiron

[polar finch]

zag shield is already better than most aspect cause its a shield

especially if you get charged shot

[past turret]

this and lvl 2 chaos shield which i think was a mistake

doesnt do much

at lvl 2

[knotty rune]

zag sword and spear are pretty

meme

[polar finch]

tbh it doesnt do a whole lot in general

[knotty rune]

fist weak but fine

[polar finch]

at least zag spear has explosive launcher

and flurry jab

though its trash without good hammers

[knotty rune]

zag sword is like

you can do the hermes movement speed = dmg meme

thats all its for

[past turret]

so what should i spend TB on if not on zag sword and spear

[polar finch]

nemesis and achilles

[knotty rune]

mm, achiles spear, demeter fist, chiron bow

[past turret]

theyre alright at lvl 1 ?

[polar finch]

better than zag

[knotty rune]

not the bow

if you want level 1 bow, hera

[past turret]

as i said i already have bow and shield aspects

chiron and chaos

and ive completed 4 runs with them

[knotty rune]

just that then is fine

fist you probably want, atleast level 2 or 3

or it wont carry

itll just be a nice bonus

[polar finch]

already as much cast dmg as poseidon and talos

[kind remnant]

I'm biased and would say max zag bow if you like bow

[polar finch]

at lvl 5

zag bow stonks

[kind remnant]

5 blood and got me like 7 heat clear easy as a noob

Oh you're doing chiron nvm

[grave storm]

8

Do Persuation first

[fresh current]

Zag bow is the most powerful 5 blood you can plonk down in this game

If you’re looking for budget fist aspects Talos comes to mind. It costs a good deal of blood to max, but you get the aspect’s real party trick at lvl1. Bonus cast damage is just icing, the meathook mechanic is what makes talos shine and that come out of the box

[polar finch]

it kinda isnt that useful. Id just max zag fists

[polar finch]

yes though the duration is like one third

also his next attack will like have no windup

its better when you can do it on demand with aphro call

persuasion is better for most builds

[polar finch]

dunno. ig thats average

[slow ferry]

once you get a companion

just gotta give a lot of gifts to a few specific people

[dusty vault]

Once x chamber as long you still had charges and depending on certain fights and which one you have they cant be used

[slow ferry]

you have to level up the companion in the keepsake menu to use it more than once per run

[dusty vault]

The charon well item also helps

Cant remember its name tho

[kind remnant]

It's not getting carried, talents and boons is how you win

[polar finch]

until boonless mirrorless

yeah the base chance is 12% for each of the three boon options

10% for minibosses

yep

there aint a maximum or at least any thats reasonable to hit

[dusty vault]

Certain duos blocks others from appearing too

Mainly cast related ones

[fierce pagoda]

Spoiler.png?

[faint umbra]

the final boss is a spoiler in this channel, please spoiler tag your message accordingly

uh, its in the channel's description

you spoiler messages ||like this||

thank you

[grave storm]

I don't think they have a cooldown, you can use them consecutively as long as they're not those companion-specific restrictions

[dusty vault]

you get the "summon unavailable" if you try to summon again in the same chamber

[grave storm]

oh yeah I mean consecutive chambers

ohhh ok I thought "once x chamber" meant once every x chambers

[dusty vault]

oh lol

[vivid patio]

for what it's worth, Hades the game is called that because Hades refers to the underworld as a whole, not because of the character himself. in Greek mythology there are some locations and gods that share names, Hades is one of them

[ember smelt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmcV90cya1Y if you're curious for more on this watch this informative video. "it's like if my apartment was also named lindsay"

[inner urchin]

Any recommendations for talos fist which is easy to setup pls

[polar finch]

merciful end or zeus attack aphro special for smouldering air

so basically just like zag or dem fists

[inner urchin]

I didnt get you but aight

So to setup merciful end

Doom attack + athena special or vice versa?

[polar finch]

doom attack, athena special then her dash

[inner urchin]

Well damn

[polar finch]

its doesnt work as well on fists with doom special

[inner urchin]

Cuz I got her attack and dash lmao

And cast

Will take dash for now

[ember smelt]

the dash isn't a requirement it's just a good boon

the duo requirements are either athena attack ares special or vice versa

[dusty vault]

dash makes ME more powerful as you can just dash strike through enemies for the instant trigger

also talos special is slower too iirc so not as comfy as the other fists

[hot zinc]

hmm curse of longing or curse of nausea?

[queen fiber]

quick question about the boon pool: if you're offered two good boons at the end of a chamber and you choose one of them, is the other god still in your boon pool?

[viscid notch]

As in the endshop?

[queen fiber]

uhh like when you choose the next chamber to go in to?

it displays the reward for said chamber before you go into it

[viscid notch]

Oh so basically 2 different doors

[queen fiber]

yeahh

[viscid notch]

Well, the gods in your pool are the ones that you took a boon from at some point in your run (even if you sell it)

If you get offered Artemis on one door and Aphro on the other, and you take Artemis then she becomes in your pool and that’s it, Aphro isn’t in your pool just from that, you have to actually take her boon to have her in your pool

[queen fiber]

ahh got it, thanks !!

[neat hull]

For a while after learning of god pools I assumed just having a god choice means they were in the pool too

Is there a nice compilation of things the game does not tell you somewhere?

Aside from scouring the wiki that is

[viscid notch]

Dashing gives you iframes and dash striking strips them

That’s about all you need to know

[neat hull]

Unless you're Deltarail, so Ive heard

Is there anything I should know about ||Beo||?

[viscid notch]

I don’t think there is a compilation pf this stuff but the speedrunning discord pinned in #self-promotion has a ton of info scattered all over the place, and it’s also a great place to learn from people who are at the top of their game

[neat hull]

Running it for the first time I noticed it makes blade rifts enormous

[viscid notch]

Correct

[viscid notch]

First one is that it’s a spoiler in this channel

Dash striking makes your bullrush start faster so that’s the way you wanna be bullrushing most of the time if not all the time

[neat hull]

Oh fish

[viscid notch]

You can load casts midrush

And if you’re on controller rebind your cast to a shoulder

Mirage shot is broken and does 100% instead of 30% (only on beo)

[neat hull]

Aye, did so when trying out Hestia

[neat hull]

That's exactly the kind of "features" of the weapon I was intrigued by

[viscid notch]

||Beo blocking radius is massive compared to other shields||

Making it the safest aspect

And Trippy Flare poms do double what the tooltip says

That’s all I could think of

[neat hull]

Right

Did read about Flood and Trippy builds recommended for ||Beo|| earlier in the day so I guess that explains it

[viscid notch]

Could talk more about it in #h1-builds-and-combat and I’ll link you a build guide there, too many spoilers for this channel

[leaden whale]

I've just realized that spamming dash strikes are much better than just attacking normally...

[coarse kelp]

That's one of the first things people learn

[swift kindle]

After over 60 tries and 30 hours, i was not able to beat the game yet

[viscid notch]

It’s ok

Is there something specific you’re struggling with?

[swift kindle]

Hades

I can reach him with 3 lifes, plus skely

[knotty rune]

first of all if youve put that much effort in theres no shame at all in turning on god mode in the settings. it doesnt make you invincible or trivialize the game, it just gives you 20% more defense (and 2% more each time you lose a run up until 80%)

its pretty cool how thats implemented

[swift kindle]

But he just poke me to death

[knotty rune]

||https://youtu.be/hziM_s0t3pM?t=506||

this video is a pretty good breakdown of all the bosses moves and what they do, and tips to avoid them

thats probably a better way to learn then listening people describe the moves through text

[swift kindle]

Cheers mate

[gritty vigil]

Personally suggest using evergreen acorn if you aren't already, gives you more leeway since you can take 5 hits during the fight for free, and even if you fail it still gives you more time to practice the boss's patterns

Also personally think the aegis ||especially with the aspect of chaos|| will give you the easiest time

[fierce pagoda]

Yo is there anyway to turn down the godmode res?

[viscid notch]

win

[fierce pagoda]

o

Does that reset it or just tunes it down

[viscid notch]

Tunes it down

-2% or something

[fierce pagoda]

Sounds gamer

[viscid notch]

Not sure if there is a way to reset it back to 20% right away

[polar finch]

uhh doesnt it not do that

[viscid notch]

What happens then

I havent used godmode idk really I just remember stuff and sometimes i remember stuff wrong

[polar finch]

think it just doesnt ever decrease

[viscid notch]

Oh great

So you're stuck at 80%

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/835377117616668692.gif?size=96

[polar finch]

there aint

[viscid notch]

Turn it off

-80%

Right there

[polar finch]

hl5 ez

[viscid notch]

That also works

Probably better than my suggestion

[turbid stag]

actually big brain solution

[tropic pike]

Hi

just started on Saturday having so much fun

[viscid notch]

Nice

[tropic pike]

Is there only 6 weapons

I got the gun and it kinda sucks lol

[viscid notch]

You can unlock aspects for each weapon

[polar finch]

rail definitely dont suck

[proper robin]

i thought the same but trust me that if you figure out how to use it it's really good

[kind remnant]

zesu + rail

[neat hull]

At least from my experience initial gun runs tend to make players play really risky

With the root, peashooter damage and nonexistent stun on basic fire

I disliked it up to the point where a triple mortar build carried me to my first victory

[ember smelt]

I also wish there was a way to slowly turn it down. I have disabilities and also just suck at video games, so I needed some degree of it to have any fun at the game, and turning it all the way off would just make the game inaccessible again, but it's a little too easy now. I can kind of simulate turning it down with ||HL pact||; maxing that out makes it like you have 60% instead of 80% if I understand the maths correctly; but that only works to a point

[polar finch]

yeah with ||hl5|| and 80% from max godmode youre taking 40% of normal damage

[polar finch]

suppose you can also turn off thick skin.

[grave storm]

and turn up ||lasting consequences||

[sturdy nymph]

How do you deal with hades laser? It is the one thing that consistently kills me

Is there a safe spot

Especially when he barfs it out everywhere and then stuns you

[polar finch]

||either behind one of the two rock pillars things, behind him (triple lasers), or right up close hugging him and breathing on his face||

[sturdy nymph]

Is the safespot for all

Like on top of him

[grave storm]

Right up against him yeah

[sturdy nymph]

And how do I farm titan blood if I’ve beaten the furies on all weapons already

For aspect

[grave storm]

||beat daddy||

[sturdy nymph]

Was gonna try to do it with rail

Time to try

[grave storm]

Lightning strike + Static Discharge

[polar finch]

also the rock pillars

the hugging strat is more on the dangerous side

||but makes it easier to deal damage during lasers||

[grave storm]

wait this is new players gotta spoiler tag

[polar finch]

[sturdy nymph]

Any suggested aids for rail?

[grave storm]

Zeus since you're gonna start with his keepsake anyway

[polar finch]

err zeus ig since you already have him

[grave storm]

get Aphrodite in Asphodel if you haven't already, and try for their duo

[polar finch]

athena, poseidon, dio, or aphro calls are always nice

[grave storm]

Anything not Ares is fine tbh

[polar finch]

beyblade call stonks