h1-for-new-players

[kind remnant]

I think you can buy it from the contractor for 1 diamond?

[dusty vault]

is 50 gems

[grave storm]

I think you need to get Achilles to talk about it first

then it's unlocked at the contractor

[odd lance]

Hey anyone on psn

[hot horizon]

Heros done, two death defies left.

Full health and ready to go.

[red vortex]

Yooo, beat last boss for the second time!

I just found it, it's unlocked after second win for 50 gems :)

[hot horizon]

One tunnel down, max HP.

I'm going to have to go through all of these aren't I? .-.

[red vortex]

not really, rng dependent!

[dusty vault]

praying for that 2 sack

[hot horizon]

Took three

I know it's RNG.

Got past the dog at 39:12.40

[red vortex]

Bro Cerberus got a name :(

[hot horizon]

One death defy later and I got the text box.

Half way after that.

So close.

[kind remnant]

His name is good boy

[hot horizon]

Now is the time I'm really regretting that missinput, I could use the blood.

What should I do with the ambrosia?

[red vortex]

save it up

it will be useful later

[hot horizon]

Run 18, nearly won.

How many did it take you?

[red vortex]

Got my first win on 19

but reached last boss 6 times for that

and then after 2 failed attempts, because I wanted to try out a new boss, I got my second win!

[hot horizon]

I got half way through the second phase my first time.

[odd lance]

I guess I’m just trash can’t beat finally boss to save my life

[hot horizon]

To be fair I played several hundred hours of Gungeon before this, I noticed a bunch of tells the first time they did attacks.

[red vortex]

I think that beats my 100+ hours on Dead Cells 😅

[hot horizon]

I've beaten all but one the extra hard secret bosses in that game.

[kind remnant]

My first clear was on 16 or 17 I think

I got the credits to roll on attempt 35

[hot horizon]

Everyone has the dog achievement right?

[red vortex]

Unforgivably, no.

[hot horizon]

Go mash the trigger.

[slim dove]

is Hazard bomb okay to use with Aspect of Eris?

[polar finch]

its not ideal but it works

best with delta chamber to make iframing the bomb easier

[kind remnant]

What's iframe

[polar finch]

invincibility frames

[kind remnant]

Ah

[zenith cave]

Alright so I’m hitting a bit of a wall. I think I’m trying to just rush through everything to get to the final boss. But I’m either dying to him or dying in the stupid poison maze. So annoyed.

Whoa whoa whoa what do you mean credits roll @kind remnant

Or maybe don’t tell me if it’s a spoiler.

[kind remnant]

Well, like most games you can trigger a credit roll

I won't say what triggers it

Unless you want then I can spoiler it

[kind remnant]

How much titan blood do you have and what weapon do you fancy

[hot horizon]

Since I've unlocked the ability to use the blood outside the shop, guessing I should go through and beat the first boss with all the weapons?

[zenith cave]

I’m an Eris rail man myself.

I’ve cleared the game three times.

With the rail, fists and shield.

But for whatever reason, I’ve been struggling over like the last 5 runs to get a clear.

And at some points just dying in the maze

[fresh current]

Are you making appropriate keepsake selections walking into styx?

Namely skelly tooth in early game

[zenith cave]

I guess not.

I usually just roll with the spiked collar.

But now that I think about it, I’ve been using the Zeus keepsake lately so I could pick up his attack asap.

Guess I’m not good enough yet to give up the huge health pool.

Oh wait.

Did I even change over during the run? Am I that bad?

[kind remnant]

Do you like the bow? I can tell you what I did to get my first handful of clears with the bow. Its nice building up blood so you can get a good aspect on each weapon

[kind remnant]

You should change after every zone

The god keepsake only helps you once

[fresh current]

Spiked collar quite dookie

Get thee to a skelly tooth for styx n beyond. Also slow yourself down. You have all the time in the world to clear rooms and kill bosses. For now

[polar finch]

acorn is generally better than tooth for redact unless you get hit by the adds a lot

collar is also a bigger health boost than tooth if you have at least 2 dd's ignoring damage gating

[fresh current]

It definitely is but most people pick up tooth miiiiles earlier in the game

[celest fox]

True

I also like speartip myself

It's more situational but it helps in a few cases and on the way to the final boss

[fresh current]

And north of ~200 health on a run is excessive honestly. Hearts can get you there reliably by end of the run

[celest fox]

Agreed yeah

[fresh current]

And yeah speartip gang. The true savior of styx

[celest fox]

Effectively like 400 hp is a lot for the final boss

I often don't even take hearts until the middle of Asphodel

I have mirror stuff for better boons though. You may just get more hearts naturally

But I'd say dont take a heart over a boon

And usually not over a pom

Its low priority but common enough to pick up a fair bit

This is after getting Thick Skin too. starting with +50 hp is great

[fresh current]

Around/after 150 I’m starting to really weigh whether choosing more health or a boon/gold for a more powerful run is really worth it. 200 and north I feel like I’m actively wasting power potential by choosing heart rooms

[celest fox]

Yeah

[fresh current]

And yeah all of this is with the asterisk of thick skin. 50 starting hp is rouuuugh

[gray haven]

150-200 max HP is really low for anyone working on their first wins.

For a decent chance, you'd want to aim for 200 by Asphodel exit and then hopefully 250+ by Elysium boss fight. Getting more than that certainly doesn't hurt.

Ideally with Weak to capitalize on it.

Strong build or not, newer players will make a lot of mistakes in fights, and more eHP means they can make more mistakes without losing a DD or the run.

[zenith cave]

Yeah I think I really need to just slow down. I’ll probably never speed run this game as I’m just a filthy casual.

I’ve cleared the game but this is my first roguelite (or is it roguelike?). Guess I’m still working on choices and mechanics.

I’ve played a lot of soulsborne but this is my first game in this genre. I love the game but I’ve hit a wall for some reason.

[gray haven]

You'll get there when you get there; and if you don't, that's fine, too.

My first clears were like 40-50m IGT, and I've done 7:00 since.

[zenith cave]

Yeah, I’m having fun so it is what it is. I’ve cleared the game 3 times but struggled even getting to the final boss yesterday.

[gray haven]

That happens. Especially if you try different aspects and builds.

[zenith cave]

My fastest clear is 19:00 with the fists.

Maybe I should just work with those for a bit to get my mojo back, lol

I almost cleared with the sword last night which was funny because I really don’t care for it.

I also had terrible rng in Styx. 4-5 rounds to find the sack pretty much every time.

Poison is my real final boss.

[gray haven]

You could try pausing the game when you get poisoned to keep calm and just look for the curing pool.

Also try taking the miniboss tunnels first. Better rewards and the miniboss fights are less chaotic than the other ones.

[zenith cave]

Keep calm? What’s that? Lol.

[kind remnant]

Yeah like I had a 5 clear streak with the bow and was feeling all confident then switched to the sword with || zero heat and died first phase of hades lol. || There's so many different combos of boons and aspects

[gray haven]

It's usually not poison that kills newer players but panic.

[zenith cave]

Haha oh man @gray haven … I’ve literally been doing the opposite because I thought it’d be easier.

[gray haven]

woman*

[zenith cave]

Haha, sorry.

Thanks for the tips… I’m a total scrub but I’ll get better… maybe.

[kind remnant]

You'll definitely get better at least until you've maxed all the best mirror stats 😂

[gray haven]

We're all scrubs when we started.

[zenith cave]

I’ve maxed quite a few of them

[gray haven]

Except bablo. He was born getting WRs.

[kind remnant]

The two at the end take forever

[zenith cave]

Yeah I think one of them is like 1000 for the first level. Ok, see you never.

[kind remnant]

It's so good tho

[odd lance]

Bros I finally beat it 😱

34 min

Is that bad

[viscid notch]

That's great

Well done

[gray haven]

Congratulations!

A win's a win.

Time for #h1-victory-boasting.

[odd lance]

I used aspect of talos

[hot horizon]

I'm just grinding Skelly.

How fun.

Feels like I've done it more than 15 times.

[red vortex]

Yooo, I had the goal of getting the artemis ares duo boon and got it! but I think stygian soul isn't that good anymore 😅

[polar finch]

usually infernal is better with hunting blades

[red vortex]

I might have to reinvest

[grave storm]

you need a lot of boon luck for Stygian to be better

[hot horizon]

Okay bosses don't ignore slow like in other games.

[celest fox]

Dashing is also super important for styx

The "hit box" on ground poison is super weird

You can be standing in it and not be effected

Satyr poison is more of a timing thing

They can be poisoned back with deflect

Patroclus has a keepsake that helps negate poison

[restive portal]

There's a lot of janky hit boxes / activation areas. I've stood in front of one boon in the shop and bought the one next to it on many occasions.

[hot horizon]

Finally managed to beat three sisters, I haven't lost to the green one yet.

[kind remnant]

Poison is my bane

[hot horizon]

How do you go to chaos without damage? I noticed an achievement for doing that.

[polar finch]

uh use his keepsake

theres an achievement tho?

[hot horizon]

Oh, gotcha.

I just did a 100 health chest and got 96 from it.

[grave storm]

That's speedy

[hot horizon]

The fists do so much damage.

I did the first boss in like, ten seconds.

Does Hermes really see the timer?

[kind remnant]

I see you changed your ways from the sword

[hot horizon]

I'm just getting blood.

[kind remnant]

🩸

[celest fox]

I've used ||Bouldy|| to keep bosses still lol

[hot horizon]

I seem to be missing four of those trinkets.

[celest fox]

Keep gifting

Talking

That's all that progresses the stories. Do runs and talk when someone has an exclamation point.

[hot horizon]

Yeah I'm aware, the codex lists who I've gotten stuff from too.

4/4 for the green harpy.

[restive portal]

Fury?

You mean Tisiphone?

[kind remnant]

Mmmmuuurrr....der

[hot horizon]

Yeah that one.

I have yet to lose to her.

I'm 2 for 3 on the red one.

[zenith cave]

Just lost to the second to last boss. Again. I think I need to slow down. I’m trying to melt through everything and it’s not working.

[hot horizon]

Yeah that's where that stops working.

[meager prairie]

What are the more better setups for perks highest iv pushed is abit past the 3rd stage boss?/miniboss

Been loving the bow for Aoe stuff for deflecting orbs

[celest fox]

You want death defiances, thick skin, extra dash, then privileged status

Privileged status at least forces you to build better usually and rewards you for it

The ideal mirror is all purple with a few greens turned on

Green mirror perks are usually more niche but a few of them are flat better for most runs

And those few I mentioned are probably essential to winning

Starting off blind at least

Just deflect projectiles with athena dash honestly

That also just teaches you to play better

Because you are dashing through the projectile. You are aware of its timing and enemy timing

And it rewards you with invulnerability, projectile clearing, and bonus damage

Aphrodite is also good to go for. Weak will add up if you use it throughout a boss

If you are dying to bosses, Aphrodite and Athena will help a lot

Aphrodite is also really good because she has very high damage multipliers

Getting your dashes down will help a lot so I recommend just integrating it more into your gameplay from now on. Dashes should be timed around enemy movements

The 3rd region miniboss is actually very easy to dash around

He is slow and has a consistent blindspot behind him. He will turn around and such of course, but just keep hugging him

I like Athena for learning these fights because you also get backstab damage, and while you don't necessarily always need backstabs, the dps will help you win

[fresh current]

Here’s your exercise: set a 2 minute timer when you first walk into any given boss room, and force yourself to survive with your hands tied behind your back. No attacking allowed, pure dodging and staying alive in the room for 120 seconds before you throw your first swing.

The following is true of most all roguelikes, and it definitely applies here: Everything in this game, especially bosses, can almost always kill you in a straight up slugfest, which makes trading damage a losing strategy for you. Focus on survival before murder, and watch your runs improve. Don’t Get Hit.

[kind remnant]

If you like the bow try to get 5 titan blood which is pretty easy, beat the 1st boss with 5 different weapons. Max out the first aspect of the bow and use that. Then get aphrodite attack and Artemis special. That combo will carry you easily

[polar finch]

ew priv status

[gray haven]

Privileged Status is niche.

It's great in the right builds, but the go-to choice is Family Favorite.

Chthonic Vitality, at least 2 DDs, Greater Reflex, Thick Skin, and Dark Foresight are the most important talents to help you win a run.

Dark Regeneration is also nice if you prefer that, just Chthonic Vitality is the more popular pick.

Dark Foresight is so good that an average build you can make with it now is what we called a broken build in Early Access before they added it.

[celest fox]

I dont even use privileged status. Just seems good starting off.

[gray haven]

The text (at max level) says +20% chance for gold laurel rewards. The way it works is it increases your chances for gold vs blue laurel rewards from 50:50 to 70:30. That's a 40% increase in gold laurel rewards.

[celest fox]

Yeah it's very good

It also makes family favorite better because you get more boons

[gray haven]

Doesn't have an effect on Family Favorite because you're still limited to a 4-god pool.

Unless you use keepsakes to get more, but that would work just the same without Dark Foresight.

[celest fox]

I might have misunderstood how it works then

[gray haven]

Family Favorite just gives you bonus damage for every god in your boon pool except for Master Chaos.

So in a typical run, that's 4 gods + Lord Hermes.

So +25% damage.

At max rank, of course.

Dark Foresight helps Privileged Status, though, because you have better chances of finding t2 status curses. But if your build relies on t2 status curses to proc Privileged Status, you're usually better off taking Family Favorite.

[polar finch]

suppose dark foresight means you fill your god pool more quickly so ff maxes slightly faster

[gray haven]

True, I guess.

[polar finch]

yeah pretty minor tho

[gray haven]

As for the god pool, every boon you see in an exit or a shop is picked at random until you have boons from 4+ gods (not counting Master Chaos and Lord Hermes. When you have boons from 4+ gods, only boons from gods already in your pool can appear.

Unless you use another god's keepsake.

So Dark Foresight has no effect on that.

[fluid gorge]

Maybe I’m weird but I usually use privileged status

I feel like even when I’m not going for status effects sometimes I manage to get at least two status effects so the 40% damage is better to me

[gray haven]

Well, it's +40% damage some of the time vs +25% all of the time. And Family Favorite gives you bonus damage from the very first boon you find.

[fluid gorge]

Fair

[gray haven]

And the damage you're doing before you applied both status curses isn't getting any bonus damage from it.

[fluid gorge]

I’ve started using family favorite here and there, I used to literally never switch off privileged status for some reason

[polar finch]

yeah at the end of a run, both are pretty minor. with no other damage increases, with priv status youre doing about 12% more damage than youd be doing with ff and 5 gods

[fluid gorge]

Usually I don’t even think I get a full god pool cause I avoid most gods I don’t want if I can

[gray haven]

Family Favorite is just the set-it-and-forget-it pick and also better in most builds that are optimized for DPS.

[fluid gorge]

Yeah

[gray haven]

But Privileged Status can totally work.

[fluid gorge]

I’ll probably start using it more unless my build usually procs status effects

[polar finch]

mostly build dependent. like hangover builds do well because you want weak or doom for the duos

[fluid gorge]

Yeah Dionysus special on Chiron with aphro attack is like my favorite build

[gray haven]

The difference between Family Favorite and Privileged Status can be very noticeable in Low Tolerance builds.

[celest fox]

I think a lot of duos lean into PS

[polar finch]

mostly hangover

[celest fox]

And besides that some gods have good boons for it

Cold fusion

[polar finch]

we dont talk about curse of longing

[celest fox]

ME

Impending is good for PS

[gray haven]

Definitely not Merciful End.

[fluid gorge]

Pain

[celest fox]

Wouldnt that work or am I mistaken?

[fluid gorge]

Merciful end is the most elusive mf duo boon

Or at least it seems

[polar finch]

well you need exposed

[gray haven]

Merciful End is one status curse.

[celest fox]

Exposed is a curse

[polar finch]

and you have to go out of your way for that

[gray haven]

You don't care for Exposed on Merciful End.

[polar finch]

and there are better athena boons

[celest fox]

True but they might not show up

[gray haven]

It does nothing for your Doom damage.

[polar finch]

exposed might not show up

[celest fox]

True

ME might now show up

You get as much as you can to get what you have work

[gray haven]

Merciful End not showing up isn't a big deal. Doom does plenty of damage still.

[celest fox]

Unless you actively have a reason to sell boons

[gray haven]

But looking for Exposed just for Privileged Status doesn't really make sense.

Blinding Flash just polutes your pom pool.

[polar finch]

selling exposed for obols and removing it from the pom pool sounds like a reason to sell it

[celest fox]

Fair

That's highly optimized playing though

[gray haven]

Well, if we're talking about what's better, that's where that gets you.

[celest fox]

Removing everything that doesnt contribute and even avoiding pommable non-core boons

Yeah. It just wont be that way when you're starting off

You're taking keepsakes to level them

Or gods for relationships

[gray haven]

Avoiding pommable boons that don't scale your damage or have some other strong benefit is just generally good strategy.

[celest fox]

Yeah

I also always forget that it takes a while to unlock rerolls

[fluid gorge]

I can’t imagine playing this game without rerolls at this point

[gray haven]

The one benefit of taking Blinding Flash is that it helps you find Merciful End.

Well, it's also okay on Demeter Aspect because your Dash-Upper can backstab.

But in other Merciful End builds, you don't care too much for it.

[inner urchin]

I keep dying the moment I enter elysium

also any good boons for sword, I can manage a lil with others but not with the Sword

[leaden whale]

Yes Elysium is a hellscape for newer players

I think sword runs are very hammer dependent

Always pick up the first hammer door if it's offered. Prioritise hammers in general

Heartbreak strike is good because you get a high percentage boost, and all enemies you hit also deal less

Deadly strike is also good, especially if you're using the aspect of nemesis

[leaden whale]

Sometimes just running away is the most effective strat

flame wheels cough cough

[fluid gorge]

Yeah heartbreak strike is really good and if you have nemesis you can use Deadly strike

Heartbreak strike works on any of the swords though so if you don’t have the weapon aspects unlocked go for heartbreak strike

Divine dash is always the best, and then for special it doesn’t really matter but aphro on special would be good too

[grave storm]

Heartbreak works on Nemesis too, the crit buff is basically Deadly Strike, so might as well dual-wield boons

[brave nimbus]

Fated authority or fated persuasion? they seem to have some overlap

[viscid notch]

Persuasion usually, except for boonless

[brave nimbus]

Rerolling a known boon trumps rerolling to potentially a different resource, because you almost always take the boon if you can get it?

[gray haven]

Persuasion is generally a lot stronger because you can reroll boons from Lord Hermes, make sure you get the right boon at the start, reroll high rarity boons (like from minibosses), etc.

And you can get the specific boons you want for your build earlier.

Authority is great if you want to double down on a single god, for example.

[polar finch]

zoos

[gray haven]

In which case you typically save your Authority rolls for (1) minibosses because miniboss rewards before the Temple of Styx are always boons, and (2) Satyr tunnels because no two exits can have the same reward, so if there are already 2-3 other gods in the tunnels, you can easily roll one of the other rewards into the god you want... and then after taking that tunnel, you can do the same with another reward.

Other benefits of Persuasion would be rerolling Poms, Wells of Charon, Pools of Purging, and Master Chaos boons.

A single roll from Persuasion also has a greater chance of giving you what you want than a single Authority roll, generally, so the rolls you can pick up mid-run from Chthonic Key chambers have more value.

Authority rolls also waste in-game time while Persuasion rolls don't, so that's another reason Persuasion is favored by especially speedrunners.

Not even that much time, but when every second counts...

[hot horizon]

Honestly for the doors I mostly go for out of run rewards. Probably not the smartest thing ever but hey, let's me upgrade stuff.

I'm also one for three with fishing.

What's this stuff about rerolling though?

Is that a post final boss thing?

[dusty vault]

Last mirror skill

[hot horizon]

Gotcha.

So keys, keys, keys.

[dusty vault]

Fathed autority re rolls the door reward and persuasion boons/poms/pool of purging/charon well

[hot horizon]

I think I only have the one thing left to unlock.

[clever sage]

is phalanyx shot from athena good

[grave storm]

Decent. Good damage, but miss and you'll have to chase it down

[turbid stag]

blinding flash bad boon?

[turbid stag]

it can be, needs a few poms but has a fun zeus duo

[gray haven]

It's not bad. It's great with Parting Shot, even. It's also pretty easily the weakest status curse, though.

[turbid stag]

parting shot yeah, but if i have the dash and a melee weapon, its not helpful?

this is mindblowing i always thought backstabs mattered

tho i guess chaos offers like +150% boosts

[gray haven]

Not as much as you might think. I like it on Malphon with Divine Strike mainly for melee. That's about it.

[turbid stag]

ah word

thats good to know

[gray haven]

If you look at all the top DPS builds, they don't really care for backstabs. I think of Shadow Presence especially as just a pick for boss fights.

Except, for the final boss I think Fiery Presence is still better on a lot of aspects.

[turbid stag]

ah word, yeah i kinda forget which one i have on rn tbh

[celest fox]

Yeah backstabs dont matter on every enemy

They're just good for some and kinda good for learning enemy patterns in close range

[worthy pecan]

Hello everyone. Managed to finish a run on my 9th attempt knowing pretty much nothing. I’m not sure if I feel very good on how I did it though lol

[queen seal]

Aaah guys I can't beat Hades :(

[worthy pecan]

The dictionomy of my last build and the build I used to beat the game really makes me feel a bit like a scumbag lol

[queen seal]

Wtf?? I'm 35+ attempts in

[worthy pecan]

Honestly I think it was just the build. The way I played it was extremely brain dead

[queen seal]

Which weapon

[worthy pecan]

Shield

I mostly used bow on my previous attempts…

But it has the purple more darkness buff so I messed with it for a 2nd time even though my first shield run went horribly.

First off.

Let me just note that my previous run was a bow build where I had practically no defensive stuff

And it was the close range boosting attack

I paired it with Hermes Daah Sturdy and the attack boost based on speed to deal extreme damage up close

Lol I was constantly having a heart attack dashing everywhere to dodge everything. Felt like it took a lot of skill to get around particularly since I had only the base 50HP for most of the run.

I died on one of the bosses in like 2-3 hits >.>

Welp my shield run was pretty much the exact opposite. I felt like I had almost no skill at all.

I basically got charged shot on the shield and stood in a corner while holding down the guard button to almost never have to take damage.

It was sad cause it even worked on the final boss itself… just huddling in a corner while they axe you or shoot multiple fire lasers …

And unlike the other build I actually ended up having a huge HP pool by the end. Something like 330+

[turbid stag]

Yep you’re doing it right

Keep going

[worthy pecan]

You would think there would be a lack of damage, but I got this minotaur thing that boosted the shot to a whopping 500 damage if I got the timing right.

So even when turtling, room clears could happen so fast just cause the shield laser would pierce stuff so easily.

And well if I wanted to play it slow, I also had ares doom debuff on it too.

I seriously did not expect shield charged shot to basically be better bow lol.

[grave storm]

you basically hit the max DPS Hermes combo lol

[slim dove]

is huge catch 20% extra chance for a fish or a 20% higher chance for a fish

[polar finch]

+20% chance for a fishing point to appear in a chamber

[inner urchin]

I hate theseus and Asterius fight with a burning passion

I got a good build today

charon bow + Artemis crit on attack and Zeus lightning bolt on special

and I found an awesome daedulus hammer which let me add +4 to the bow

that and I took another jolted from zeus and also 25% chance to hit twice

but the theseus and asterius fight killed m

[fluid gorge]

I don’t wanna discourage you but for Chiron thats not really an optimal build

Relentless volley is very good though

Instead of Artemis on attack go for Artemis special, and go for Aphrodite on attack, then get a bunch of crit boosting boons and support fire from Artemis and hope for heart rend. Divine dash will help you play it more safe too but aphro dash would work too.

Zeus isn’t amazing on Chiron special since there’s a cooldown on the bolts iirc and it doesn’t give a direct boost to the special’s damage

[dusty vault]

zeus special is fine, not the best but if you get more zeus/global dmg it works

[fluid gorge]

Yeah it works just not optimal

[dusty vault]

first wins dont need to be optimal anyways

[fluid gorge]

That’s true I was just giving a build that would make it a bit easier

[dusty vault]

also pretty sure it has been used to speedrun or tempest floursh + sea storm

[fluid gorge]

Yeah tempest flourish and seastorm is good but Zeus on special isn’t used for speedrunning

But yeah tempest flourish plus seastorm is very good

[hot horizon]

How expensive are the rerolls?

[dusty vault]

Persuasion is 10k darkness to max out
Authority is 11k

[hot horizon]

How much per level?

[dusty vault]

Persuasion is 1k, 2k, 3k,4k
Authority is 500,750,1000,1250,1500,1750,2000,2250

[hot horizon]

So they aren't cheap, I should save up.

[dusty vault]

Just max one and reset your mirror if you want the other tbh

[gray haven]

Yeah, that. No other use for Keys at that point anyway tbh.

[hot horizon]

I'm getting close to that, I meant saving up the darkness go.

Is there a way to grind for it without rerolling?

[dusty vault]

Kill bosses with weapons you already got bounties with and they drop darkness instead

Grab some darkness buffs from poseidon/chaos and dont foeget to check troves

[hot horizon]

I almost always hit those.

[celest fox]

Take poseidon and chaos gates

Go for the boosts to darkness

On darkness farming runs

You sadly dont get much but I think you can get like, 1000 for a full run?

With some boons

[polar finch]

couples boosts and you can get ~1000 from dad reward alone

troves help a lot

only problem is when chaos doesnt want to cooperate

[inner urchin]

Im improving!

Force built myself a good duo boon varatha build

Almost took down thesius who was like 3-4 shots left

[restive portal]

If you can save some or all of a call for when Theseus is begging for help. He's very vulnerable. Aim to make that part of the fight last as little time as possible.

Taking a boon like Poseidon helps there as a full charge will take a lot of his health and you'll be invulnerable.

Also blade rift

[celest fox]

Yeah. He also wont block attacks then

For maybe 7 seconds

[hot horizon]

Honestly I never take the calls.

Is there a way to check what boons you have gotten before in the menu?

[restive portal]

You mean in previous runs?

[inner urchin]

Went till Hades with an awesome ares doom on main attack + Weakness on special aspect of charon along with impending doom and the duo boon of ares and dionysus

Might try a dionysus build with the spear

[restive portal]

I tend to put Ares on special of non Chiron bow. The you can spray many enemies with it at once. If look for boons which offer damage multipliers on main attack (e.g. Aphrodite).

[alpine ridge]

In the menu, no, but in the archives, you can see your stats from your previous runs

It’s the door on the very far left in the House

[restive portal]

Dionysus with flurry jab and long reach is good.

But Zeus is better

[inner urchin]

so whats a good combo for spear

I went with both poseidon special, zeus attack and got duo boon and then swapped zeus attack with poseidon attack once

it was nice

[restive portal]

Poseidon attack is good for Elysium to keep long spears away and very good with rupture, and great with sea storm.

[inner urchin]

I'll do that again rn then

idk what to do for gauntlets and sword tho

they HARD to use'

[restive portal]

I'm not a sword fan other than one specific aspect

For fists, Talos got me most of my early wins

[inner urchin]

i have one like tartarus blood left lol

[restive portal]

For first runs, stick with what works for you

[inner urchin]

im 21 runs deep and no win yet😔

[restive portal]

Chiron with Dionysus on special is very nice even before it's upgraded

Took me 60

But I was at credits by 80

Once I got out once I got 6 in a row

[inner urchin]

aight imma buy the talos aspect just to waste my last tartarus

[restive portal]

Tape is at least interesting

[inner urchin]

havent got a lernie clear on my sword anyway so it'll make me use it when I need a tartarus blood

[restive portal]

Aim for the hammer which restores health when you kill things with special, and the one which does area damage when you do special

[inner urchin]

what is tape

[restive portal]

Sorry, autocorrect

Talos

[inner urchin]

aight lets do a Talos run then

[restive portal]

Then if Hermes gives you faster special you can ignore the attack button

[inner urchin]

hopefully alecto doesnt show up

[restive portal]

I ended up finding her the easiest after a while

But she's rough early on

[inner urchin]

Got any good boon suggestions for talos?

[restive portal]

Aphrodite on special, or Poseidon for pinball

Poseidon special plus Zeus attack and sea storm is a winner

Then Aphrodite cast

Since everything will be close

Divine dash, Zeus call and you're getting out

Good luck

[fresh current]

Talos rocks and is fun. Zeus, dio and ares are good choices for attack. Special you want a big punchy boon like aphro or artemis for fat damage spikes. The most fun part of the build though, like hag said, is Aphro cast. You have a 3-round semiauto shotgun with a grapple hook attached. Do the math on that one for a second. The Only Thing They Fear is You.

[fluid gorge]

Like this person said swapping those would be more effective

[fluid gorge]

For gauntlets, get Demeter aspect and get doom on attack and Athena on special. Hope for merciful end but if you don’t get it don’t be surprised cause it’s super elusive. Athena on dash is good too cause it procs merciful end more. Get the boons for making doom stack too and increased damage.

[median pebble]

i finally beat the game the other day!!

[viscid notch]

Pog

[median pebble]

easily top 5 favorite games ever

my brother has 50~ hours in hades so i got curious and tried it myself hahaha

[viscid notch]

I hope you’re not done now

[median pebble]

oh no i’m gonna keep going for sure

than is here after all

[viscid notch]

Yay

[median pebble]

gotta max weapons and decorate the house now :D

[viscid notch]

||heat ||

[median pebble]

yesss

i thought your pfp was beidou hahaha

[viscid notch]

It is

[median pebble]

ohhh i didn’t see her eyepatch

nice art

[worthy reef]

So I’m not sure if I’m “new” persay but picked up Hades about a week ago and have greatly enjoyed it. I saw the Hell mode option and picked it because I figured I like my rogue likes to be as hard as possible. I’m just wondering how much harder it is? Like I’m seeing people say they beat the “final” boss on attempt 6-8 when they started playing and it felt slower going when I started.

[gray haven]

6-8 runs to get a clear is honestly pretty rare.

[worthy reef]

Is there a way to check how many runs it took me for my first clear?

[gray haven]

I guess you could look through the permanent record for that.

[worthy reef]

I know that hell mode has the pact of punishment from the start but are there other major differences?

[gray haven]

You're forced into +20% enemies with +15% HP who do +20% damage while you heal for 25% less, and normally you get brief invulnerability after taking a big hit... but that's turned off in Hell mode.

[worthy reef]

So when I see my health go from 200 to 50 in one second it’s cause I got hit by a bunch of things at the same time that would not have happened on normal mode?

[gray haven]

Correct.

And you can't turn on God Mode in Hell Mode.

[dusty vault]

||isnt cp1 only a 15% increase?||

[worthy reef]

Welp… it was an experience being on hell mode. I sort of regret it but no turning back now haha

[gray haven]

T-that's what I said.

I think Hell mode is pretty fun.

[worthy reef]

Yeah. I’m just mopping up achievements now. At the start I was really feeling I should restart, but I was too stubborn.

[gray haven]

You also get bounties up to ||25 Heat instead of 20 since you start with 5 Heat instead of 0||.

||Pact of Punishment|| is spoilers in this channel btw.

[quick drum]

oh wait is the invulnerability thing what the last ||heat|| in hellmode does?

[gray haven]

Yes.

[hot horizon]

What language is the game?

[grave storm]

Originally english

there's other options though

[brave nimbus]

Dark foresight tampers with the odds of rewards showing up on doors, right?

It's what you put stuff into if you're trying to farm?

[hot horizon]

I meant like C, C++, Java, etc..

[grave storm]

Dark Foresight increases odds of boons, poms, hearts and coins, so it lowers the odds of farm-able currencies during the run. But it makes runs easier, and you get more darkness from beating bosses anyway

[grave storm]

Modding server would likely have answers

[old escarp]

I believe it's Lua

[hot horizon]

I got to the fourth area a second time.

[viscid notch]

Nice

4th area can be messy

Beefy enemies and poison everywhere

[hot horizon]

Boss at 38:00.80.

I have not had an issue with it either time I got to it.

Also the beginning of this gives me ||Ashore|| vibes.

I lost.

[inner urchin]

Anyone got any spear recommendations?

[grave storm]

search "Achilles build" in the server and pick one

[hot horizon]

HYDRA 6 HEALTH

Sheesh.

[leaden whale]

(close call though)

[hot horizon]

Yeah that Chaos boon I took messed me up.

[leaden whale]

word of advice

every floor is 12 chambers long

with an optional mid-shop

and possible story room

[hot horizon]

Yeah, I just miscounted.

[leaden whale]

oh that's fine then

np

[restive portal]

It's when you get past a boss with 5 health and then remember you picked up strong drink 3 chambers earlier

[maiden ruin]

nah

[hot horizon]

I didn't find any healing besides the end of boss stuff I don't think.

[maiden ruin]

i believe tart has 14, asphodel has 10, and elysium has 12

[leaden whale]

oh is it?

oh wait

my maths

sucks

lol

[inner urchin]

wait is the spear zagreus aspect bad?

damn man I spent a tartarus blood on it to increase attach speed too

[polar finch]

its pretty meh

[grave storm]

Blood on Zag spear increases special dmg

[polar finch]

wouldve been nicer if it was base damage

[inner urchin]

damn

oh well

[hot horizon]

I'm guessing the last keepsake is a thing I get once I'm better at the game?

[fluid gorge]

Yeah zag spear isn’t great

[hot horizon]

I also unlocked the mirror stuff, so that's fun.

[grave storm]

yeah it unlocks after you win enough times

[olive kiln]

The room with the records is locked, any idea why?

[civic summit]

It is locked by a couple of different things. Have you cleared a run, yet?

[olive kiln]

Yeah I noticed it being locked like 6 or so clears ago

I figured it would open eventually but not yet still

[civic summit]

It is unlocked by purchasing an item in the work orders area. Have you checked there?

[olive kiln]

Oh not yet, I will after this run

[civic summit]

A good general rule for progression is to buy everything in the work orders section.

[olive kiln]

I dont have any work orders

[civic summit]

How many escape attempts have you made?

[olive kiln]

47

[civic summit]

There is a story flashback that takes place in the admin chamber, have you seen it?

[olive kiln]

Yeah i'm pretty sure, when redacted is complaining about Zag not working

? @civic summit

[civic summit]

The wiki lists that flashback & "complete 27 escape attempts" as the requirement for the appearance that work order. (I'm not sure if that means 27 "attempts" or 27 clears.). I do know that access is required to progress your relationships with several characters. So, I was focused on giving nectar & ambrosia to everyone and at some point the work order appeared.

[olive kiln]

Ahh okay, I mean I was just confused because I had the records room unlocked and then randomly after a run it was locked again, oh well maybe it's a story thing, thank you!

[civic summit]

Do you mean that you visited it in the flashback or that you bought the work order and visited it and then went back later and you couldn't visit it?

[olive kiln]

Yeah I was able to go in freely and look at my past runs and stuff but now I cant

[civic summit]

Weird, I don't remember that happening (but I didn't visit the admin chamber that much, but access is definitely required for some of your relationships.)

[olive kiln]

Yeah I figured so like i have no idea what to do lol rip

[void stone]

If I have no other weapons besides the bow and sword should I get the first new set of the new talents or a new weapon

[civic summit]

It depends on if you like the bow and/or the sword (remember you will eventually unlock all the weapons and the full mirror)

[void stone]

Bow

But there is like a shield thing and a spear and the shield looks nice

[civic summit]

If you are happy with the bow for the moment, then unlock the mirror, otherwise try the new weapon that you want to try.

[void stone]

Just tested the shield and I think I have found my weapon of choice

[civic summit]

Basically, neither option is "bad", do the one makes it fun.

[void stone]

And what does titan blood do

[civic summit]

After you unlock all the weapons, you get the ability to use it to upgrade the weapons.

[void stone]

Ok

[civic summit]

It is great but just not useful for you at the moment

[void stone]

Thanks for the help I didn't get much knowledge since I got through tartarus quickly

[civic summit]

The Titan's blood usage is something that game will "tell" you about when you can do it. You just haven't made it that far, yet.

[void stone]

Oh ok

1 last question so after I get the spear do I upgrade or is their still 2 more to unlock after

Since I see 2 blank spaces

[civic summit]

After you unlock all four, a fifth will appear on your next run and the same happens again with the fifth weapon.

[void stone]

Ok

[hot horizon]

I feel like the butterfly is one of those things I'll end up using once I get better.

[polar finch]

eh butterfly aint great

[civic summit]

The butterfly is basically a meme run thing. I've used it for variety but those runs are definitely suboptimal.

[hot horizon]

First room cursed slash and chaos.

Noice.

[inner urchin]

I hate the butterfly monsters in elysium more than theseus and asterius

everytime I get a good run going with all my death defiances saved up with good health, the butterfly balls makes it so I dont have em

[polar finch]

its just about having decent dps

also use wide hitting attacks to get rid of the butterflies

[hot horizon]

Dog time!

Two doors!

[hot horizon]

Are the doors weighted at all?

[polar finch]

no

[polar finch]

just know a sack on tunnel 2 is a ~52% chance, cant be one tunnel 1, can be on the last tunnel tho its a ~2% chance

[hot horizon]

So it is weighted.

[polar finch]

uh not really except for the first tunnel thing

they all calc the sack chance the same way

[hot horizon]

If it wasn't it would be 1/7, 2/7, 3/7, 4/7, etc..

I think.

I'm not a stat major.

[polar finch]

wdym 1/7

[hot horizon]

There are seven doors.

Wait no I think it's 1/7, 1/6, etc.

[polar finch]

uh there are 5

[hot horizon]

Oh right.

I have other things on my mind right now.

I've had 3, 3, 3, 2.

[polar finch]

20% for any door to have the sack would be 1-.8, 1-.8^2, 1-.8^3 etc

its just that the chance is higher than 50%

idk exactly how the rng works or whatever anyways

@hot horizon mep found the thing from cgull okay ig it is a bit weighted

The more detailed flow is as such

In Room 3 of tunnel 1, when selecting room 4, the "end" rooms (combats + minibosses, depending on which tunnel) become eligible, but not forced. So they are in the pool of rooms with all the small rooms to be selected for chamber 4. There are 4 miniboss rooms, 3 big combat rooms, and 14 mini rooms, but each mini room can only appear twice per run (after you've seen a mini room twice it will be removed from the eligible pool permanently).

In the first tunnel you probably haven't seen a room twice yet, so there's a 4/18 (22.22%) chance of seeing a "short" tunnel 1 (in a miniboss tunnel, 3/17 chance for non-miniboss first tunnel).

In the second tunnel, this continues, but the sack room is now in the pool of "end rooms", so you have the same 4/18 chance in miniboss/normal tunnel of a short tunnel, but only 3/18 (16.67%) to see the miniboss/combat, and 1/18 (5.555%) to see sack in the short tunnel. But now that the sack room is eligible, there's an additional 1/(5 - completed_tunnels) roll to force the sack here, which is 25% in the second tunnel. so having a short tunnel second is a 41.67% chance, with a ~73% chance of that short tunnel ending in a sack rather than miniboss/combat. That sack forcing roll is applied for every 4th/5th chamber of all subsequent tunnels, becoming 1/3 in the third tunnel, 1/2 in the 4th, and 1/1 (obviously) in the 5th tunnel, which is why a 5 sack is always a short tunnel.

[molten moth]

I'm new to hades. I have beaten the second boss and almost just did the same to the minotaur and the other dude. Any tips on how i can improve and possibly make a build?

[alpine ridge]

Unlocking the weapons and upgrading the mirror are the biggest things that you can improve

Going on more runs to understand enemy and boss patterns as well

also, experiment with all the boons so you learn what you like and don't like

[polar finch]

other than using god keepsakes, strong builds usually require those last three talents darkforesight, gods pride/legacy, fated persuasion. without them, unless youre either really lucky or doing everything properly to increases your chances which takes quite a bit of experience its gunna be pretty hard

though even without duos or legendaries you have what you need to beat the game

[leaden whale]

Ngl, I love how you reffered to Theseus as Other Dude, He is in fact the Other dude, Nobody likes him

[restive portal]

Asterius. Other guy. 🔥

[leaden whale]

Man, Theseus is so arrogant that to throw down his ego you need to act to him like a child and call him Other dude

[knotty rune]

What a shining paragon of nobility and honor, standing leagues above the common rubbleries indignant barbarianism and shameful foul play. his true and unshakable friendship with his eternal partner lends service to the virtues of grand comradery only forgeable through the steep trial of the battlefield. all Fiends will have no choice but to fall to such an upright hero.

[restive portal]

Theseus just wants a hug. It's all bravado to hide his insecurities.

Only Astereus knows the real Theseus.

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/lfh2eu/theseus_gets_a_booboo/

[clever sage]

how does priviliged status work?

[dusty vault]

each god has a "curse" effect that they can inflict with their boons, if you have 2 of them on 1 enemy at the same time you do extra dmg to them

some of them can inflict with just the core boon (ares doom, aphro weak, dionysus hangover) and other needs a 2nd boon (zeus jolted, razor shoals from poseidon, artemis hunter's mark and athena exposed)

[zenith cave]

Just had a fairly easy clear with the Demeter fists. I really want get good with the Chiron bow and Eris gun though. Fists are fun but not as fun as using bow and gun for me. Wish I was better at this game.

[inner urchin]

Easiest to set up would beaphrodite weak + dionysus hungover

[slim dove]

wait I'm supposed to play the game with a controller?

[inner urchin]

How did you even manage it w keyboard lmao

[viscid notch]

Well it's just recommended

There is a ton of kbm players

[polar finch]

there are a lot of gamer kbm players

[gray haven]

What about non-gamer kbm players?

Gamer kbm non-players?

[molten moth]

I'm stuck on minotaur and the other dude

[grave storm]

what's a gamer anyway

[cold granite]

Find the Minotaur and Theseus, you have to focus on the Minotaur, first he has his normal attack, and then the special ones that are the three directional jumps, he will stay still in a few moments for you to hit him, and the last one is the one that runs, you have to make it collide with a structure.

Of Theseus simply avoid his arrows, stay away from him since you will be more focused on the Minotaur, hit him from the back and be careful for his invocations of the gods

[polar finch]

.

[zenith cave]

Why am i so bad with the spear? It feels like easy most sometimes but there I am dying to the douchebag duo.

• easy mode

I just want to get really good with the bow. Any tips?

[gray haven]

Practice Dash-Strike Power Shots.

Immediately into another dash. Find your rhythm for that.

Single dashes between shots for DPS, two dashes for positioning when required.

[zenith cave]

I am not good at dash strike with the bow

[gray haven]

Hence why I said practice that, yeah. No one is very good at it when they start.

[zenith cave]

It never charges. So I just end up dashing.

Haha, fair point.

Am I still staying at a distance?

[gray haven]

Hmm? Hold down Attack to charge it after your Dash. It looks like a normal Attack, it just charges faster.

[zenith cave]

Or are we talking melee range?

Ohhh hold it down. Ok. I have been tapping it like it’s the fists or something.

[gray haven]

Yeah, I figured that was it. That's typically the problem.

I didn't get it at first either lol.

[zenith cave]

Thanks for the tips.

[gray haven]

Hmmm. Well, you can use the range of the bow to your advantage when you need to, but I would just focus on your positioning relative to the enemies' attacks and your timing rather than distance per se.

[zenith cave]

I can clear no problem with Eris gun and Demeter fists... after that it gets a bit sketchy. Haha

[gray haven]

Like, if a Wretched Lout is charging in one direction, any position that's outside of its charge but within your attack range is fine.

Whether it's point-blank or max distance doesn't matter so long as you're not in that charge AOE.

[zenith cave]

Right ok. So the positioning isn’t terribly different from the rail gun

[gray haven]

Yeah, I suppose so.

[zenith cave]

Whereas the fists you better be all up in the business.

[gray haven]

Good bow players can usually make near zero use of Sniper Shot because 99% of their shots are closer than Sniper Shot range.

Repositioning just to attack from that far just takes a lot of time.

[zenith cave]

Sniper shot is the special?

[gray haven]

Sniper Shot is a hammer upgrade for the Attack.

[zenith cave]

Oh ok

Shows how little I know.

[gray haven]

Well, gotta start somewhere.

Your Attack deals +200% damage to distant foes.

Meanwhile Point-Blank Shot is a very effective hammer.

Best bow hammers upgrades, though, are generally Twin Shot and Triple Shot.

[zenith cave]

I get into a situation where I just choose the dark weapon. I think I just need to focus on getting good with the ones I have the most fun with. Chiron bow is so fun, but the fists are more my style.

[gray haven]

Flurry Shot is also great on Hera especially.

[zenith cave]

My style meaning what I do best with.

[gray haven]

Oh, you have Chiron? What level?

[zenith cave]

2

[gray haven]

Ah... that's not very high yet. But you can put Drunken Flourish on that to quickly stack hangover. That'll be good.

[zenith cave]

Yeah I’m still pretty new to the game.

And it’s my first roguelike

[gray haven]

Most Chiron builds don't work too well until Chiron is Lv.5. But Drunken Flourish works really well from Lv.2 on already.

Mine too.

[gray haven]

I think of style as something that manifests once you reach a high level of skill. Kind of like... taekwondo fighters in the Olympics have different styles. But a white belt or yellow belt doesn't really have a style, they just still need to learn the basics and a lot of techniques and practice their balance and all that.

Like, you wouldn't say "this white belt has a style of not parrying." You'd just say "this white belt needs to learn how to parry."

So in that sense, not doing well with the other aspects yet isn't necessarily a style thing, it's just that you're still learning all their movesets and what builds work well and all that.

[zenith cave]

Yeah agree. Thanks for the help.

[gray haven]

Sure thing.

[slim dove]

does the pierced butterfly bonus damage stay after you switch the keepsake?

[maiden ruin]

no

[polar finch]

butterfly not gud

[wild cloud]

A little late but welcome. If you’re used to spending a lot of time on a single game, then Hades can definitely scratch that itch.

[worthy pecan]

I'm starting to think my 9th attempt clear was pretty much just luck since I'm on attempt 24 now and haven't gotten past the temple in a long time.

A majority of my runs since then usually end there though, so at least its consistent.

Then again, I'm also playing with that 20% more enemies pact on these runs, though I don't think it should make that much of a difference.

[civic summit]

It is fairly common especially with early clears to fail for a while as you build up your mirror and then have a breakthrough streak of clears, don't be discouraged.

[zenith cave]

@wild cloud thanks! I’m really enjoying the game even if I’m not good at it yet.

I want to become a bow master. But, well, I haven’t figured out how to be effective with it yet. Got to last boss with it but just barely. Had no chance.

[grave storm]

Dash strike, don't use the regular attack

[knotty rune]

no matter the weapon

the most important thing is to learn the bosses attack patterns

if you can dodge it with a close range weapon, its even easier to dodge from long range

but if its something youre not familiar with youre still in danger, since most bosses have long range attacks too

[meager prairie]

Honnestly if you can get Rail gun the run turns pretty easy

[knotty rune]

with zeus or dio for sure

[meager prairie]

i just beat it without either 🙂 Triple bomb is OP op

[knotty rune]

the big weakness of the rail is that its attacks dont stagger enemies, so you either have to constantly keep moving even while attacking, or just build up insane dps to kill everything before it has a chance 😔

yeah its probably the one that gets most consistently op

[polar finch]

triple bomb is decent but not as great if you have an actual decent attack

cluster bomb and rocket bomb are usually preferred, especially combined

[viscid notch]

Delta Chamber also great

But Cluster Rockets too op

[north crane]

Minor gameplay spoilers ||how do i unlock the aspects i have like 13 titan blood and talked to Achillies multiple times can someone give me like a list of what i need to do to unlock it||?

[dusty vault]

aspects unlock after you do a run after unlocking all weapons

hidden aspect method on #h1-story-discussion pins

[north crane]

ah thanks a lot

[kind remnant]

I got my first 5 clears using the same exact bow build if you wanna know what I did.

[inner urchin]

Pls help haha

[kind remnant]

How much titan blood do you have

[inner urchin]

I used up all 5 I have but I can get a meg clear and get one more w my Sword

[polar finch]

where you stick em

[inner urchin]

Lets see

Fist Talos aspect, spear achilles, coronacht charon, gun Eris and one into spear Zagreus(not too proud of that one) and also Shield chaos aspect( I MAY have traded an ambrosia to get an extra tartarus blood because I heard Shield of chaos gives Chaos commentary in your fights

[polar finch]

hmm you can either grab eris and stick on zeus attack and static discharge, grab chiron and put on dio special and aphro attack, or stick on doom special on chaos or zeus special with static discharge

[kind remnant]

Aight if you like the bow this is what I did early on, it was very easy when the boons fell into place:

Max the first bow aspect it only takes 5 blood. Start the run with arpho keepsake, get her attack. Then in second world put on Artemis keepsake. Take her special and then start stacking all her abilities that give you bonus crit damage. Try not to get more than 4 unique gods before these two to keep your odds up. If you get their duo heart rend you're golden. If not still very doable.

Best hammer options is dual shot, triple shot, or hold down for auto attack though some may say the increased close range power shot. Pom your attacks. That's honestly it. My basic attacks would hit for 500 hp like every 3-4 hits. Don't bother with special attacks. This isn't a meta late game build but I got like 6 clears in a row doing just this.

[inner urchin]

5 tartarus??!!

[polar finch]

tbh they prolly dont have the blood to max zag aspect

[inner urchin]

I can put one more in there lol

[kind remnant]

Thought he said he had 5

[inner urchin]

Which I used up

[polar finch]

if you have no titan blood you can just stick on doom attack and deflect special and try for merciful end stuff ig lol

[kind remnant]

Anyway, that build was very easy to use and required little to no IQ, just shoot fast and melt

[polar finch]

chiron prolly a better bet with hangover or doom even if lvl 1 than an unlvled base bow

[dusty vault]

When in doubt, dont play the weapon

[inner urchin]

Doom only good if you get the merciful end duo boon and The best place to put an athena deflect is on the dash so it may work well for a melee build but not long ranged

Chaos Shield is better with doom too cuz at least it has Auto homing and gives doom quickly and get back

[polar finch]

uh thats a misconception. doom works fine on its own and you need deflect on your special to unlock the duo to begin with

[inner urchin]

Wait really

Damn

[polar finch]

doom offers a large amount of flat damage

[inner urchin]

I dont wanna waste a charon special attack on deflect man

The bow is literally made for single point damage

[polar finch]

if youre switching targets then its gunna be more dps than a % increase

athena special has fine % damage

[kind remnant]

I'm telling you man try out my build if you got the blood lol

[polar finch]

he doesnt

[kind remnant]

Ah nvm

You make it up after 3 clears

[inner urchin]

But your build is with aspect of zagreus right?

I feel like its better with chiron

[polar finch]

zag aspect has better base damage

because of the crit

essentially

[inner urchin]

But youre more likely to get a crit off with max chiron

[polar finch]

maxing chiron takes a lot of blood

and chiron is very hammer dependent

[inner urchin]

Aphro attack, Arty special and the duo which increases crit chance when the opponent got weak

[inner urchin]

I cant either way so

[polar finch]

if you dont get concentrated volley on chiron youre crit are gunna be very tiny

[inner urchin]

Hmm makes sense

You got any good Talos builds

I had a lot of fun w it until I…died

[kind remnant]

It costs half the amount of blood, you make that back up after 3 clears. Like I said, it's not optinal later but I've cleared 7 times using that, 5 were in a row. That's 14 titan blood you can then put else where for a better aspect. You gotta build up from nothing.

But a moot point ATM

[inner urchin]

I got the special faster from Hermes and the poseidon attack so I was literally playing pinball

[restive portal]

Poseidon on special, Zeus on attack (unlock sea storm) double strike and jolted. Get draining upper and the one which does AoE when you land. Job done.

[polar finch]

eh zag bow is still very powerful even if youve maxed chiron

[inner urchin]

I see I summoned you by calling fir Talos lol

[polar finch]

seastorm is overrated tbh

if you want a duo just go smouldering air or merciful end

[kind remnant]

Smouldering air is poggers

[inner urchin]

Merciful end is great for melee tbh

[restive portal]

Once you have smouldering, it's not really a Talos build any more, it's just any build with Smouldering Air.

[inner urchin]

Flat damage + constant

I dont use calls and casts as much lol

[polar finch]

ig. but tbh seastorm just doesn't add much if its only proccing from your special

merciful end works on pretty much any weapon

[inner urchin]

Get a seastorm going and then purge whichever attack you used to get it

[restive portal]

With Talos and Poseidon I mostly only use special

[inner urchin]

Then get a poseidon thingy on that

[polar finch]

yeah easier to just start zeus attack and build splitting bolt

[dusty vault]

Just a correction, heart rend increases crit dmg, not crit chace

[inner urchin]

Wait really

Still good but not as good as I expected then

[restive portal]

Obviously razor shoals is great too.

[dusty vault]

Splitting headache increases crit chance when the enemy has hangover (1,5% for stack, artemis-dio duo)

[polar finch]

why is it such a crap amount

[kind remnant]

It's better than you think lol

[dusty vault]

Is an epic PP with 3-4 poms ig

[inner urchin]

But splitting headache kinda hard to setup on the arrow tbh

At least with Chiron

[dusty vault]

If your chiron build is hangover based isnt that bad

[polar finch]

well dio special

hangover can crit

[inner urchin]

Ideally you want both on the special itself

[polar finch]

just like stick on artemis cast

[dusty vault]

Or call if you still want dio legendary

[polar finch]

splitting headache is essentially a 15% increase to hangover dps

[dusty vault]

Or something weird like deadly strike, passion dash

[inner urchin]

Dio + Aphro is good tbh, OR Arty and Aphro

[polar finch]

you can have more than 1 duo

[dusty vault]

The 3 sinergyze well anyways

Aphro-dio duo for that extra 4,5% crit chance

[inner urchin]

Yeah but you gotta choose which one to have on the special

[polar finch]

like i said hangover can crit

[grave storm]

Heart Rend focuses down one target faster, hangover for crowds

[inner urchin]

Yes but what use is crit chance if you arent madxing out the number of times you crit

[dusty vault]

If you have deadly flourish you can use drunken dash instead

[inner urchin]

I would rather crit twice quickly than crit more often

[restive portal]

Hunter's Mark

If you can crit regularly Hunter's Mark ensures there's a massively improved chance on other enemies nearby.

So it doesn't matter as much if the first crit isn't huge damage (e.g. because it's from hangover), is the fact you now get to crit things nearby with your fat attack that's important

[gray haven]

I don't rate it at all because I (almost) never see it because why would I take boons to unlock it?

Imagine doing that when you could just double down on Tidal Dash.

Now, Smair though...

[grave storm]

don't you love hearing your uncles get at each other?

[gray haven]

It can get pretty silly with Hunter's Mark. Crits everywhere.

[polar finch]

ig its a better pp like noob said

[ashen mantle]

._.

[gray haven]

Sup.

[ashen mantle]

Sup

[grave storm]

?????

[ashen mantle]

:D

[dusty vault]

Im not melon :c

[grave storm]

I didn't say it (though definitely thought it)

[ashen mantle]

Magik

[grave storm]

the gathering

[gray haven]

Maybe he's calling you a melon.

[ashen mantle]

What is the best shield aspect ?

[polar finch]

or not melon

depends on who you ask

[grave storm]

Zeus or the 4th one depending on who's online

[ashen mantle]

I like chaos one

[gray haven]

Hidden aspects still spoilers here.

[grave storm]

fixed

[ashen mantle]

Nice

[ashen mantle]

You new ?

[gray haven]

4th one from the bottom?

[grave storm]

yes

[worthy pecan]

finally got another win with something other than the shield

Feels kind of odd though since, I didn't really feel like I had all that much synergy with my abilities

[grave storm]

Spoiling the Zag shield smh

[gray haven]

Lol I might have more hours in the game than everyone who's talking in chat right now combined.

[grave storm]

Nyaanyaa Newnew

[ashen mantle]

._.

Sory

[gray haven]

I was just reminding melon that hidden aspect names are spoilers in this channel.

[ashen mantle]

Oh no spoilers is in the description

[grave storm]

I'd drop Damue's new Chiron duos rant vid here but it's in chinese

[gray haven]

Yup.

[ashen mantle]

Ok

[kind remnant]

Been messing around with zeus. The game play feels so silly with that aspect

[worthy pecan]

I went trident and basically had demeter chill on attack and zeus shocked on special put together to abuse that one mirror passive to do more damage

[gray haven]

It's easy to do well with Zeus Aspect but difficult to optimize it.

[ashen mantle]

Zeus's special with tidal dash in temple of styx is great

Not tidal dash

Probably tidal special

I forgot ._.

[gray haven]

Tempest Flourish.

[ashen mantle]

Ye

[gray haven]

But that keeps knocking enemies out of your Special AOE. Can be a fun build, though.

[worthy pecan]

I also had an upgrade to allow the trident to bounce to multiple enemies to make it easier to apply the shock debuff

Other than that I had some weird stuff that ended up being helpful though they didn't really have much synergy with anything else like deflect dash, and that one hangover guy ult

[gray haven]

Speaking of Tidal Dash, that's typically the best start for base spear. Then put lots of poms on that and go for Dash-Strikes.

[worthy pecan]

Interesting, I actually haven't tried tidal dash yet

[gray haven]

Stupid good base damage and pom scaling.

And wall-slam damage scales with the biome, so that part scales naturally, too.

[worthy pecan]

interesting, I'll consider it next time I run it

[gray haven]

With Razor Shoals and Wave Pounding for boss damage or Breaking Wave and Typhoon's Fury for room clear.

Well, Razor Shoals helps with room clear, too.

And put a decent Attack on it. Thankfully for base spear, you can make pretty much anything work on Attack.

A decent Cast is also good for Cast > Dash-Strike x2 > repeat combos.

If you find Exploding Launcher early, you can put a good % Special on that (not Tempest Flourish), and do Special > Dash-Strike x2 instead.

Not Tempest Flourish because it would knock enemies too far away for the combo to work reliably.

[kind remnant]

How do I acquire such knowledge

[gray haven]

Just lots of experience trying out all sorts of builds and keep asking questions and discussing your ideas with other players.

You can also look at the boon lists in the Codex or on the wiki to plan out some builds and see how well it works out, how difficult it is to get the pieces for it, if there are any alternative routes maybe.

Things like that.

[slim dove]

how do I I-frame hazard bomb with delta chamber?

[dusty vault]

Just dash through the explosion

If you dont have delta you need to not be attacking while doing it

[slim dove]

oh ok

[worthy pecan]

Delta chamber has I-frames?

I’m on my first gun run, so I’m not really aware of any tricks with it if there are any.

[viscid notch]

Delta Chamber basically doesn’t remove your dash iframes when you dash strike

[worthy pecan]

Honestly I’m a little underwhelmed by it. It doesn’t really seem to do much damage. Took me a real long time to kill the heroes despite running a ton of crit

[viscid notch]

A strong build for the rail is going for Zeus attack, Artemis/Aphro Special and Poseidon’s Dash, grab Static discharge from Zeus and you’re basically set for a run, Rocket Bomb and Cluster rockets are one of the nicest hammer combos in the game, really ups your dmg and aoe, Delta, Targetting System also worth mentioning for sure if you don’t get the other two

You can also go for Aphro/Artemis on the attack and pray for Spread fire

[viscid notch]

Adding to this,
From Zeus: you can go Storm Lightning (or double strike if you have zeus call), then Splitting bolt
From Poseidon: Breaking Wave helps a ton in styx, Wave pounding decent boost to your boss dmg
From Aphro: Smoldering Air if you pick up a call that uses lesser calls well (Zeus or Dio), Sweet Surrender is a good pickup, Sweet Nectar if it shows up
From Artemis: Hunter’s Mark mainly, Lightning rod very strong too if you’re running Infernal Blood

Other things of note: Hermes hyper sprint + Rush delivery always a good combo, extra dashes, Second wind
If Athena is in your pool you can go for Phalanx + Lightning Phalanx, she also has dd refills and alternatively you can go for her dash instead of Poseidon’s since it’s a lot more defensive, if you happen to see her multiple times make sure you pick up Brilliant Riposte to open up her Legendary

Alright I’m done

[worthy pecan]

Hm… I may have messed up then though lol. I think I had the possibility of making up multiple of those synergies but may have sold or went for different boons.

[viscid notch]

Yea it’s okay, now you have a better idea of what to look for next time

Should improve your dmg if you get a couple of those things going

[worthy pecan]

Btw should I be saving these mats I’m getting from the boss fights? I feel like I should be using the blood, diamond and ambrosia for stuff but nothing has come up for sale except for trades.

[viscid notch]

After you unlock every weapon, you should do a run, after you return to the House (if you die for example), you can interact with weapons and unlock their aspects for Titan Blood, what to unlock first totally depends on your playstyle and whatever sounds interesting to you, but some weapons rely more on levels than others.
Diamonds are mostly used for upgrades from the contractor I think, and Ambrosia comes in way later (when you improve your relationship a lot with the npcs/gods) so it’s okay to trade a few for Titan blood if you get the chance, just keep some 10-ish extras I would say

[worthy pecan]

Oh welp, guess that means I’ll be seeing it once this run dies.

[restive portal]

Remember that there is always the house contractor for diamonds.

And there's at least one item from them you want to pick up early, since it lets you get more materials

[sacred sage]

So far my favorite duo is Ares+Aphrodite's continual doom effects. This on a ranged multi-hit is just 👌🏻

Second favorite boon: Dionysus' hangover-inflicting dash. Its dot is simply great, especially with multiple poms.

(And with the Artemis+Dionysus duo, hangover stacks increase crit chance)

[worthy pecan]

What is that exactly?

Btw I've been avoiding building the free heart chamber since I kind of figured having a chamber for only healing wouldn't be worth it most of the time. Do I need to build it to open up more options?

[viscid notch]

I don’t remember what this is referring to

[worthy pecan]

I think the house contracter lists it as fountain chamber, tartarus

[viscid notch]

Oh

[dusty vault]

im not pretty sure if its needed for other options but the fountain wont replace a normal reward

for example if the door shows a boon, when you enter it gives you the reward + fountain without need of combat

[viscid notch]

Yea get them

They aren’t an insane chance to show up

But when they do it’s something, it’s gonna help

[grave storm]

yeah it's a nice handy heal, and you don't have to fight things for the reward

[restive portal]

I don't know if it's a spoiler here, so I won't mention it by name, but check the house contractor regularly and a specific item will pop up fairly soon after you have a diamond. It's related to Lord Poseidon.

[dusty vault]

fishing rod isnt a spoiler iirc (needs to reach 4th area)

[viscid notch]

I have no clue what that is

Oh

I’m dumb I guess

[kind remnant]

[worthy pecan]

Welp I got the chamber and it unlocked a bunch of options for me

So yup that's what I was missing...

[restive portal]

Yeah there are some dependencies on buying some things before others will unlock.

Can be frustrating if you want to skip some stuff.

[worthy pecan]

welp minor list of prophecies has now made me rich. Guess my next runs will be going a lot smoother XD

[cloud wasp]

Propechies are something you should always have in your mind

[kind remnant]

@dense charm

[celest fox]

Prophecies will provide a lot of early resources yeah

Very few cost more than they give

[gray haven]

I don't think it makes much of a difference which one you get first. The final boss and ||Heat|| are spoilers in this channel, though.

[meager prairie]

ight mb

[shell shoal]

One mirror is maxed, should I just be trading all my keys to the trader?

[fluid gorge]

I mean it depends whether you think you’re gonna change your mirror upgrades or not

I would just trade them all tbh

Or you could save like the one you need to reset it

[kind remnant]

Is || rama or Beowulf || easier in terms of setting up a good build and skill needed to excel with either weapon

[grave storm]

4th bow takes a bit more practice to play to its full potential since the regular attack is slower, but you can just put Ares/Zeus/Dionysus on special and ignore the attack

for 4th shield it's grab Poseidon/Aphrodite/Dionysus cast and go nuking

both weapons involve skill in getting the AoE to hit as many enemies, as often as possible

[kind remnant]

Got it ty

[celest fox]

Hidden bow is very skill dependant

I go to it when I have a very bad seed giving me awful boons

It usually makes it managable because it's just good baseline. Hidden shield requires much more focus on casts which can be more complex

Hidden bow doesnt need duos. Shield really likes good duos.

[polar finch]

well tbh hidden does fine without mirage

[celest fox]

True

It just gets more from it than bow does imo

[polar finch]

it just get stupid broken with it

[celest fox]

Duos on bow are overkill

Good tier 2s will do plenty

Yeah hidden shield scales higher than bow

But build wise it probably wants more

[faint ledge]

any advice for meg? she keeps kicking my ass

[polar finch]

main things to look out for are her whip attack she uses up close and will run up to you to use, her projectile attack which you want to run away from so you can get between the gaps easier, and her ground circle attack for which you want to wait to see the circles appear below you then dodge instead of spamming

[faint ledge]

Whats the best weapon to go agianst her?

[polar finch]

uh also attacking during a dash will cancel your i frames

well whatever weapon youre comfortable with. I suppose ones with range are safer

[faint ledge]

i usually only dash to get away from her and enemly

Two things i have learned is i don't like Hades and this game is hard

[polar finch]

usually you want to incorporate dashes into your attack patterns

its better dps and repositioning usually means you wont get hit

[faint ledge]

ah ok i'll give it a try

also i love the gods. they are..funny

[polar finch]

can turn on god mode if you want or watch some videos with tips

[faint ledge]

nah that feels like cheating...i want to do this 100% legit

I think i will try the bow and keep my distance like ya said

[polar finch]

for the bow especially you want to be dashing immediately before every attack as itll charge faster and you have to stay still to charge it

[kind remnant]

What if you have the hold for auto attack hammer

[viscid notch]

Same for the most part

Standing still and holding down attack isn't too effective, dashing and repositioning is more optimal

Also gotta control your attack button a bit more, holding attack the whole time even if you're dashing would still get you hit a ton because dash strikes remove your iframes

It's a tougher hammer to get used to, and I usually wouldnt pick it as first hammer if I get Twin/Triple as other options

Maybe even Perfect

[polar finch]

flurry twin/triple is kinda beeg dps

[viscid notch]

Yea it is

[kind remnant]

Twin is def my preferred

I had twin and auto once and it was pretty good. I'd usually get 3 shots off before needing to dash because it shoots so fast

[gray haven]

I'd recommend you always keep 15 on you in case you see the special deal of a Titan Blood for 15 keys.

[shell shoal]

thanks 😄

[faint ledge]

ok i have sucessfully murdered meg and she all huffy about it afterward

[restive portal]

Since you can always turn gems into keys, and gems are useful for other things, I tended to keep a few hundred gems around if all I was buying was cosmetic stuff. Then I could always buy a few keys for any special deals

[restive portal]

She'll get over it.

[faint ledge]

also i am being petty and smashing every pillar i see

:3

[gray haven]

lol I remember always doing that in my early runs, too.

[faint ledge]

this is my first rin of the game and it hard but fun

i really wantto pop hades though. he a jerk

[kind remnant]

Wouldn't you be upset if you got murdered?

[slow ferry]

I'd be dead but she's built different

[kind remnant]

Git gud

[kind remnant]

which fists aspect should I max first? Or which one should I avoid?

Demeter?

[polar finch]

dem is gud

[alpine ridge]

the 3 visible aspects are all pretty good, the 4th hidden aspect is not as good as the rest but still viable

try them all out then max the one you like the most

[polar finch]

tbh the fists aspects dont really make as much of a difference compared to other weapons

zag and dem arent really any different low lvl

[kind remnant]

oops well i just maxed dem

[polar finch]

well thats fine

[slow ferry]

Dem good

Zag good and cheap to max

[kind remnant]

Well I have one aspect maxed on every weapon now

Saving for rama now

[main marsh]

I wanted a bit of advice regarding the unlock of the aspect of Arthur

I started achilles’ quest about patroclus

Butwhen I go to patrocules he doesn’t say anything to me

In fact even his name doesn’t show up

[broken pivot]

is it "???"

[main marsh]

Yeah