h1-for-new-players

[dusty vault]

when in doubt, merciful end

[noble mist]

honestly i gotta disagree with that

[lofty acorn]

alright imma stay away from this server till i find out what merciful end is

see ya

[noble mist]

its not spoilers

its a duo boon

[lofty acorn]

it's not?

ohhh

[noble mist]

no

lol

[lofty acorn]

i was thinking like

where you spare final boss

[noble mist]

no

[leaden whale]

nah

lol

[noble mist]

not like undertale lol

[lofty acorn]

what it do

[noble mist]

that'd be really cool tho

[lofty acorn]

it would

[noble mist]

it procs doom effects instantly

athena ares duo

[lofty acorn]

epic

[noble mist]

if you get a fast attacking weapon

the you can do insane doom damage

[leaden whale]

when you have doom (Ares attack), every athena boon with reflect immediately activates it with extra damage

[lofty acorn]

also i never knew how good twin fists were

[leaden whale]

lowkey busted

[noble mist]

unless you get flurry jab ||or charged skewer guan yu|| spear is just meh honestly

[lofty acorn]

with them I nearly managed to beat uhh stage 3 boss||(es)|| without using defiance

[polar finch]

zag/hades spear is good with explosive launcher

[lofty acorn]

is that the special goes boom

[modern briar]

Chaos shield tho

i guess low level chaos shield really sucks

[noble mist]

Chaos can be really good but it usually takes a lot of ramping up

also yeah until like tier 4 its not good

[leaden whale]

ironically i first beat the game with lv. 1 chaos

[polar finch]

chaos itself is eh damage. kinda need a lot of zeus on it or a stacked dio

[polar finch]

well thats basically just lvl 0 zag shield

like first clear generally doesnt have much aspect stuff going on

[leaden whale]

two words

stubborn defiance

[polar finch]

uh

[noble mist]

||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/779066837321121823/869638065889607751/unknown.png|| this is my rough opinion on the aspects. spoilers for secret aspects

[polar finch]

no

[polar finch]

also all you need is the block

lvl 1 chaos and zag shield is practically no difference

[celest fox]

Yeah hades gets really simple with a shield

Definitely the way to go if you want a win

[west shale]

How should i be getting more titan blood

[polar finch]

really early game you cant get much since you have to get clears to get titan blood from bosses more than once with a single weapon

so youre pretty much limited to 6 though you can trade ambrosia to the broker

ambrosia shouldnt be needed much at this point

[west shale]

I just got my first clear so will i get it from the first boss again?

[polar finch]

if you increase the ||heat||

[winter briar]

How come ||zagreus already knows who his mother is in the first run after vanquishing Asterius and theseus||?

[indigo zealot]

||in a flashback, Zag had discovered the truth, and that's why he wanted to escape the Underworld to find his mother.||

[leaden whale]

Deep

[frosty girder]

What should I use for my second ||heat||

[strange fjord]

Jury Summons or Damage Control, imo

[molten ridge]

Middle Management is a fun, and very manageable 2 heat

[strange fjord]

Should i use Fated Authority or Fated Persuasion? My mirror is almost done but i still don't know which would be better

[viscid notch]

Persuasion usually

Authority for Boonless runs

[river jackal]

vayyy wow

[strange fjord]

Thank you

[distant notch]

Hope everyone had a good weekend! I wasn't on Discord at all this weekend because I was just heads down being obsessed with Hades. XD

So another noob question.... How do you get the Legendary boons? And duo boons? I kinda experimented by taking a majority of one or two gods and that seems to help me unlock duos but I don't know if that's really the way to do it...

I'm also missing just one boon from Poseidon and Aphro to complete my prophecies but they haven't shown up - and I've done so many runs with those two as choices. It's totally random right?

[modern briar]

you need to fulfill specific boon requirements

[dusty vault]

Duos -legendaries needs certain boons from to have a chance to appear (most of the time is a combination of 1 core slot from 2 gods for the duo boons and a core slot + a tier 2 boon for the legendary) check the work orders for thw codex uograde that let you check what boons each god has and requisites

[modern briar]

which you can see in codex

[distant notch]

Ahhhh.... I never realized that. Duh

[modern briar]

do you need the contractor upgrade to do that

[dusty vault]

For the aphro-poseidon missing boons gonna assume they are blow kiss and rip current
Blow kiss needs crush shot and rip current needs poseidon call

[distant notch]

Thank you! I don't think I have the codex upgrade yet.

[dusty vault]

Yes

[distant notch]

YES! Those!

[modern briar]

Yeah those are always annoying elusive

even when you have the requirements

[distant notch]

I'm so glad I decided to ask because I was tearing my hair out wondering why that hasn't shown up for me

I usually can just brute force all the things by playing over and over again

Oh yesterday, I ran the final level with ||sigil of the dead|| against Redacted and there was a funny dialogue related to it. I thought for sure that I wouldn't be able to take it with me for the final fight but I was able to and was rewarded with the dialogue. I love this game and the dialogues!

[modern briar]

there’s also funny dialogue for ||using max call during a god’s trial||

Specifically their own call

[distant notch]

Oooh... I haven't done that before! I'll have to check that out

[grave storm]

If you die during the trial there's dialogue too

And Redacted also has a line if you have the ||pom blossom on you at his fight||

[distant notch]

Ooh I haven't tried that one! I'll do that next.

[celest fox]

Blown kiss is infamously rare

[restive portal]

Is it? I get it often enough with Crush Shot builds.

[faint umbra]

i have actually never seen it and i have 500 hours on the game. granted, for some of these hours it wasnt in the game, but recently i pick crush shot quite often

[grave storm]

yeah take crush shot, then roll Aphrodite rooms

[tacit ether]

fellas

build or prophecy?

[grave storm]

Do you have a win yet?
yes - proph
no - build

[tacit ether]

Kinda late, dont have a clear but its not like my "build" option was that important, so i went prophecy

it was the legendary hermes boon and the one that makes you faster after you dash

[grave storm]

that's fine

[tacit ether]

also, is 50 clears and no win a lot?

i just dont have enough resources when im vs hades

50 runs and no clear*

bruh

[viscid notch]

It's not that much

[tacit ether]

just saw that everyone on reddit got it on their 20th run

[grave storm]

I got mine on 44, 20 is pretty early

[solar hemlock]

When I flip the mirror does the other effect not work?

[tacit ether]

You need to buy it first i think

[solar hemlock]

I bought thick skin +20 but when I flip it and go see the skeleton the +20 is gone

[viscid notch]

You can only choose 1 side at a time for each upgrade

[solar hemlock]

Oh no.

[viscid notch]

If you want Thick Skin you have to keep it on your mirror, if you flip to the other side then it becomes no longer active, and High Confidence becomes active

[solar hemlock]

Oh no

[restive portal]

My first win was around 50 or so, but I'd got to credits by 80. Once it clicks, it clicks.

[turbid stag]

Got my first one at 39 (Zeus legendary) and second at like, 60 - you’re fine

[leaden whale]

dash on mouse or no?

[frosty girder]

Once you realise how to make a build it gets so much easier

[odd shoal]

^

[winter briar]

Anything better do after ||epilogue? Besides doing max heat runs||

[slow ferry]

Plenty of side stories to finish up

Play that lyre and all that

[grave storm]

whatever you find fun. randomizer, monthly challenge stuff here, etc

[winged lagoon]

sub 14 is a good time for a new player right

[polar finch]

yeah

[winged lagoon]

got it using merciful end gilgamesh fists

[gritty bison]

gilgamesh is underrated

[elder moth]

Hey I got a question about the game. Does it sometimes get difficult to see what’s happening on screen?

[winter briar]

Yes

[grave storm]

Yes

[winter briar]

Usually happens during redacted fight

[grave storm]

Or when you have Zeus dash and a bunch of enemies

[winged lagoon]

exactly

[odd shoal]

1: Thats a spoiler 2: no it's bad

[gritty bison]

[slow ferry]

Sometimes bad things are underrated

[odd shoal]

||Gilgamesh is one of the worst aspects in Hades the video game it is rated poorly for a reason||

[winter briar]

Id say the|| bow is the worst infernal weapon||

[winged lagoon]

nah it depends on how you build it

[odd shoal]

no its just bad

Any build you can do on it is just better on another fist

||the dashes are shorter and have longer cooldowns for some reason||

||its attack is slow and clunky||

||its dash strike can't kill a numbskull||

[winged lagoon]

thats why it has maim

which supports more auxillary builds

[odd shoal]

||Main is high risk low reward||

It doesn't do enough damage

[winged lagoon]

its the damage bonus that matters

not really the 400 damage you get at the end

[odd shoal]

||the damage bonus is bad ||

also spoiler your messages hidden aspects are spoilers

||show me good gilgameh results on leaderboard whether high heat or speedrunning compared to other aspects||

because in both it places low

[polar finch]

bow aint a spoiler

also bow stonks

[odd shoal]

bow can be hard to use well

[distant notch]

I'd go ||Gilgamesh|| over any Coronacht anytime. Lol

But I'm just really bad at the bow so there's that.

[winter briar]

In all of my 50 completed runs ive never completed a run with ||coronacht||

[deep oar]

i love it

[gritty bison]

Chiron’s aspect on coronacht is pretty nice

[gritty bison]

I mean have you tried using it before

||also the hold B dash is good||

[odd shoal]

yea and its bad

[odd shoal]

||yes the dashes with shorter range and longer cooldown||

[lime mortar]

||the bow?||

[odd shoal]

||gilgamesh||

[lime mortar]

oh

[odd shoal]

||or as I like to call it gilgameh||

[gritty bison]

Is it really that bad though

[odd shoal]

yes

[lime mortar]

i personally don't like it too

[gritty bison]

I mean I’m not exactly a competitive player but ||demeter||’s cast paired with ||maim|| does decent damage

[odd shoal]

It places absurdly low on leaderboards for a reason

zag sword has a faster speedrunning time lol

[lime mortar]

but it's your choice ofc

[lime mortar]

we're talking about speedrunning?

[gritty bison]

I mean yeah it’s not as good as the other weapons but idk it feels easier to use

[odd shoal]

just an example

[celest fox]

Basing your aspect usage suggestions on that example doesnt seem like a good idea

[quick drum]

if you have sidemouse buttons then i recommend it, but if its on RMB or LMB then probably no

[kind remnant]

dang it

died on the last boss with 1/3 health left

[gritty bison]

||who’s gonna tell them there’s another phase||

[verbal gulch]

Anyone got a build suggestion for the ||exagryph ||? I wanna get a complete with it but I absolutely can't seem to get this weapon to deal damage

[quick drum]

take zeus on the attack, it more than doubles the attacks damage output

especially if you can get jolted as well

[verbal gulch]

What gods should I try and get?

[viscid notch]

Artemis/Aphro on your Special, Poseidon on your dash ideally for Dmg, you can go for Athena instead for safety, Zeus or Dionysus on your Call

You wanna look for Static Discharge from Zeus and possibly set up for the Legendary, if you have Artemis on your Special look for Hunter’s Mark and Pressure points, in that order, if you have Aphro on your Special, look for one of the calls mentionned above and try to get Smoldering Air, Poseidon Dash would benefit from Wave Pounding for boss dmg and Breaking wave for room clearing

[verbal gulch]

Should I take drunken strike (epic) from dionysos? ive gotten zeus 5x and didnt get the attack option ;( https://imgur.com/a/JeuDM1r

[verbal gulch]

nvm already did it

[winged lagoon]

same

[verbal gulch]

Made it, thanks for the advice :D

[strange fjord]

Is|| aspect of nemesis|| worth it when i already pretend to put a lot of artemis boons? I was thinking about using ||aspect of arthur|| so i can have some defensive stuff

[viscid notch]

Nice, well done

[viscid notch]

So idk how you would define worth it, both aspects are good in their own way and play quite differently, ||Arthur ||offers more survivability for the price of slow chonky attacks, while Nemesis is overall harder to play and riskier, but it can dish out more dmg due to crits and dash strikes being more effective, it’s up to your playstyle really

[strange fjord]

Hmm okie, i think i'll stay with nemesis then, since i risk a lot and the damage is really nice

Thank you ^^

[viscid notch]

Goodluck

[winged lagoon]

maybe try poseidon for casts

its the most rewarding early on if you just get a zeus cast and artemis boon like exit wounds

but Zeus cast is all you need

[strange fjord]

True, it helped me a lot against multiple enemies

But for some reason i think Poseidon's spawn rate is really low, i rarely find him

[winged lagoon]

poseidon as in his sword aspect

like aspect of poseidon

paired with Zeus cast is what got me my first 32 heat run

first and only

[strange fjord]

oh lmao my bad

[strange fjord]

wow

[winged lagoon]

just get zeus' cast and try for a boon called "exit wounds" from artemis

and then customize from their with what you want like athena's boon on your dash or special and stuff like a duo boon from Poseidon and Artemis called "mirage shot" that basically adds another cast with reduced damage everytime you cast, you can check the requirements for it through the codex through looking at either Artemis or Poseidon's boons

[strange fjord]

Hmm ok then :) thank you

[kind remnant]

One or two

[leaden whale]

hey anyone i have a question.

i really like the twin fists of malpheus(think thats how you spell it) but they're not great for boss battles because they're really close range. does anyone have a suggestion for a weapon that'll do generally the same thing but give me that needed range?

[restive portal]

There are hammers that can help with that. Otherwise augment with a cast of some kind. Or just go in hard and try to get it over with fast

[modern briar]

I mean, none of the weapons are really like malphon. You could get some athena dash boons or aid for help mitigating damage

[toxic quail]

What boons are you running on it?

[leaden whale]

thx @modern briar

any @toxic quail \

[toxic quail]

My fastest run was with fists, without even trying to do a fast run. Zeus legendary is very strong on them.

[polar finch]

rail ig. the 6th weapon. its similarly fast hitting but is ranged

its also just better

cuz eris op

[leaden whale]

thx

[civic summit]

Another option to try with the fists is to use Athena on the attack, having deflect with such a rapid fire attack actually works pretty well against bosses.

[leaden whale]

thx

[kind remnant]

What weapon is good for a doom build

[slow ferry]

Doom is a flat damage effect, so it's best on fast attacks

[gray haven]

Malphon or Stygius.

[winter briar]

Malphon with merciful end is op

[kind remnant]

Makes since, I kinda hate malphon but haven't tried doom with it. Is merciful end a dua boon?

[modern briar]

yeah

ares and athena

one of each god needs to be on attack or special

for the duo to be offered

[kind remnant]

Got it

[modern briar]

effect is that deflect boons auto proc doom effects

[winter briar]

but I'd say every weapon is good with doom build

[modern briar]

nah

spear is a little tougher to build doom with

bow just has a lot of better things to build with

same with rail

[winter briar]

Spear with doom build? i thought it was the easiest one since i beat redacted hitless with it

[modern briar]

and next nyaanyaa mewmew will come in and discredit me

Also fists is easiest for reasons above

[kind remnant]

What would you say are good builds for bow? I dont have much blood for aspects yet, sitting on 6

[celest fox]

Just about anything. You can even have doom on special

Depends on what you want your special to do, but the base bow aspect is flexible

And you want something heavy hitting on your bow attack. Like aphrodite or artemis

Maybe try a Heart Rend build? Artemis attack Aphro special

Tag enemies with special weak and then powershot them

Good hammers are like Relentless Volley, Twin Shot, Perfect Shot, Chain Shot

Point blank shot

Other special hammers work too but you are going to mass weak application so you want more hits. Other boons you want are pressure points and hunter's mark

Then ideally you are one shotting marked and weak targets with twin shot

You could also swap what is on attack and special, it would just play differently.

[modern briar]

bow does good with percent increases I believe, so your aphrodite and artemis.

If you’re running chiron, artemis special, aphro attack, heart rend.

||Rama|| I prefer aphro just for the highest possible dmg increase

i never play zag bow
Hera is just cast builds

I’ve also heard people do well with ||rama|| zeus flourish

[celest fox]

Yeah or drunken

Drunken + splitting headache.

[kind remnant]

Lots of good info here thank you, need to process it all Haha

[polar finch]

zag bow is pretty pog and it only needs 5 blood to max

[kind remnant]

5 blood on which aspect?

Oh is zag the aspect

[polar finch]

yeah

[celest fox]

Yeah 15% crit on attack is nice

You can even do just silly stuff like

Artemis attack and hope for flurry shot and twin shot

That's all I get on bow so it cant be too uncommon

And like hunter's mark

Build is done

Twin Shot is really good because of armor. Armor absorbs all hp damage until it is removed. You cannot overkill enemies with armor on still

Twin Shot lands two hits with a good chance to crit, which can remove armor and do health damage

And it just doubles your damage

[nocturne vault]

if you give up a run, does it end your win streak?

[indigo zealot]

no

since give up will ignore that particular run

u can give up as many times u want, and still keep ur win streak, as long as u dun die and return to house of hades

[knotty rune]

it ends your win streak

in your heart

you must fight on, to the bitter end even with 1hp remaining

[indigo zealot]

lol i WOULD lose my streak if i die and not give up XD

[polar finch]

but you still basically lost

[nocturne vault]

havent done it yet

thinking about it tho

playing like a 🤡 up in here

[indigo zealot]

lol, no one would know if i dun say it

😄

it does look nice with the perfect streak

[polar finch]

though kinda superficial

[nocturne vault]

nah im at (last boss) with full hp and one dd. praying tho

[indigo zealot]

well, even a video with 1million like will still have a few 1k-10k dislike

[nocturne vault]

i did it gang

poggin out

[polar finch]

what the analogy for

gz

[indigo zealot]

meaning, i claim i never give up and just win streak all the time

u could decide if it's real or not,

[polar finch]

actually with all the clears you have why you in #h1-for-new-players sofapillow

well you can kinda see likes and dislikes

[nocturne vault]

im still learning hehe

[polar finch]

bit easier in other channels since spoilers like endboss and stuff are allowed

[nocturne vault]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-shrug-不造-i-dont-know-gif-5094560

[winter briar]

Started a new save file ||I have not once lost a run in all 11 runs also somehow ended up completing a run with coronacht which i didnt expect. It really changed my view of hades boss fight and saw how slow he actually was even tho it was my first time in a while coronacht run.||

[quick drum]

final boss is a spoiler in this channel

[upper heart]

||Hades is considerably easy when you consider his moves|| I just suck at always making dumb mistakes. ||Like getting hit by the skulls and then smacked in the face 3 times in a row by telegraphed moves||

[winter briar]

I already knew ||hades was predictable and easy but after several run completions somehow i defeated hades hitless with coronacht which is the weapon i barely even use||

[upper heart]

Coronacht is the one weapon where I really don't understand the damage rotation

I understand things that are kind of obvious like dashing out of charge and then firing a dash shot

But it always just feels so slow and wimpy

[winter briar]

Legit never did a single dash shot with coronacht and yes it seems so slow compared to the other weapons

[upper heart]

Dash shot is so short and feels super inaccurate

Are ||aspects|| considered spoilers?

Cause I feel like they count as a post-game thing

[dusty vault]

Name of hidden aspects/what they do yes

The rest can be unlocked pre final boss

[upper heart]

Okay well all I was gonna say is that coronacht just feels like a slow and boring weapon to use

Especially just spamming special with chiron aspect

It does damage but the weapon overall just feels so sluggish

Any of your damage options root you in place because the dash shot does so little damage and is your only mobile option

[solar hemlock]

Is this the bow?

[upper heart]

Compared to just dashing at light speed everywhere with other weapons

Yes

Heart-seeker

Coronacht

[solar hemlock]

I agree with you

[upper heart]

Whatever you choose to call it

[solar hemlock]

I picked it up once and never again

[upper heart]

Basically every other weapon has good damage output from dash attacks

A game almost entirely centered around mobility and placement feels really awkward with a weapon that provides basically zero mobile damage options

I was able to kill alecto faster with just rail bombs (due to chaos boon disabling attacks) than I could when using every single damage option on bow

[solar hemlock]

I saw someone on YouTube use it once and beat Meg first try

[upper heart]

Meg is basically just a matter of walking in a triangle pattern to avoid dashes

[dusty vault]

That sounds more like you need to find a better build for the bow that fits you than just the bow being bad/slow, if anything bow kinda wants a hammer more than others but you get a lot of good ones

[upper heart]

Here's the thing

I was using Chiron aspect that run

And got zeus special

And the upgrade that gives 4 extra arrows on special

Damage still felt relatively poopy

[dusty vault]

Zeus special isnt really good on chiron

The lightning has an internal cooldown of 0.2 secs

You wont get lightning from every arrow that hits (unless you angle it in certain way to get 1 or 2 more bolts)

[upper heart]

Well all I can say is regardless of it being good or bad, it's a boring weapon in my book and the last one I would choose to play

Just doesn't feel like it knows its place in the game

[distant notch]

I'm so bad at the bow that I still can't figure out which aspect would fit me best

[upper heart]

Chiron aspect is pretty mindless

[distant notch]

People say that Malphon is the hardest weapon but I'm the best at that

Maybe I need to give that a shot. My highest heat on the bow is 3, while the rest I have gotten up to at least 5

[upper heart]

Chiron is just "shoot the guy one time then spam special twice. Rinse and repeat"

[distant notch]

Ahhh

Gotcha. I'll have to try that out. I tried Hera and ||Rama||

[upper heart]

It has auto-locking so as long as you land that attack you can go full mindless

[distant notch]

Ahhh

I'm a dasher type player

[upper heart]

Until the locking ends after like 5 seconds

[distant notch]

So maybe that'll be good

[upper heart]

Bow is anti-dasher it feels

Cause special animation is so long and roots

Dash attack is short with bad accuracy and damage

And normal attack has obvious draw backs cause of charging

[distant notch]

Yeah

That's why I suck at it

I keep seeing articles abt how the bow is the best for beginners but not for me lol

[upper heart]

I personally think my favorite thing is using shield and just pinning 3 guys in the same corner while I just poke them repeatedly with normal attacks

Not efficient but damn is it satisfying

[dusty vault]

With some poseidon boons that sounds fun to do in styx

[polar finch]

its not???

[modern briar]

@upper heart optimal bow play is dashing and charging the main attack to speed it up

so it’s not anti dash

[distant notch]

I finally got ||rip current|| and ||blown kiss||!! Whoohoo!

[radiant cliff]

ive never gotten ||rip current in my 78 runs ||

[distant notch]

I made sure to get Pos' Aid. And I underestimated how amazing that boon could be!

And also, I kept choosing poseidon every chance I could

And also also, this is my 97th run. lol

[dusty vault]

Rip current is such a fun boon

Specially if you pom it a lot/have smoldering air

[distant notch]

This is turning out to be an amazing run... I have Dio's hangover boons for attack, and special, and also lob festive fog. Then I have Ath's divine dash which is just deflecting the crud out of everything, Pos' Aid and rip current to do that damage...

[strange fjord]

Still trying to get rip current T-T i completed all god's prophecies except poseidon's because of it

[quick drum]

cant seem to find blown kiss

though tbf i almost never take aphro cast

[distant notch]

I lucked out yesterday after picking a lot of Aphro's boons.

[eager flume]

How do I get hidden aspect of the gun thing

Is it useful

[dusty vault]

Check #h1-story-discussion pins

[distant notch]

I personally don't like it

[polar finch]

its okay ig

but eris and hestia rail outperform it by a lot

[distant notch]

Yeah I go with Eris every time

[modern briar]

I’d try to only get that poseidon boon and none others to keep the pool clear

[polar finch]

well you need his call

which already opens up everything else

[modern briar]

Sadge

[dusty vault]

Just take anything that doesnt open his legendaries

[runic garnet]

is there any way to tell how many runs ive cleared

[polar finch]

well the victory screen has the numbers

also admin chamber and the aspect menu has clears for individual weapons

[runic garnet]

oh perfect

i've not cleared a run in a bit but the last run i did left on a cliffhanger, and ive been getting some strange dialogue from the boss

[hollow sapphire]

am i missing smth why i cant beat first boss ?:D i cant even kill her to half hp without dyin

[celest fox]

Keep practicing and upgrading the mirror

You want the extra dash and a death defiance

Those will get you past the 1st boss

[hollow sapphire]

oh aight

ty

[tranquil timber]

How do I get acess to legendary weapons

[viscid notch]

Read the pinned message in #h1-story-discussion

[tranquil timber]

Idk how to even be able to upgrade and get them like I just unlocked the gun

[viscid notch]

So you havent unlocked aspects yet, since you just unlocked the gun, I think you need a few more attempts for aspects to show up, then you can upgrade from there

[slow ferry]

Just takes 1 attempt after unlocking gun, and then you can equip a weapon you've already equipped, and then you get aspects

[runic garnet]

do i need to have a full heat gage to progress story

[grave storm]

no

[celest fox]

No. You technically never have to use ||heat.||

It's just needed for upgrades really

[dusty vault]

Reminder that ||heat|| is an spoiler on this channel btw

[celest fox]

Good point

[kind remnant]

Do the god keepsakes only work for the first round?

I had ares on and only got him once

[nocturne vault]

they'll work for your very first god boon, after that it just ensures that A. you will see ares (eventually) later in the run, and B. that his boons will more likely be higher quality

in your case, you may just be getting unlucky not seeing him more D: keep at it and he'll pop up eventually!

[kind remnant]

so if you're trying for a specific build is it worth switching to the other god on the second world

or is it just RNG

[slow ferry]

yeah there's some counter intuitive behavior with the boons

[kind remnant]

and then on the third world switch to a stat boost ?

[nocturne vault]

thats what a lot of builds do/recommend, yep!

[slow ferry]

that's the typical way to do it, yeah

if you get an ares boon, you have a 1/n chance of seeing ares again, because the boons are picked randomly. however, if you have 4 or more gods, (except hermes and chaos) you will only see boons from those gods, except for when you use keepsakes to get a specific god. that means your odds increase to 1/4

if you want to increase your chances to see more ares, you have to grab some boons from other gods

[kind remnant]

i see

this is good info thanks

man I just got to || Hades phase 1 || and got one shotted by his beam. Getting closer, thanks for the tips -_-

omg I just realized each ability in the mirror actually has two ffs

[polar finch]

btw except for the last four or the first/bloodstone related ones, most of them arent optimal for early game

[kind remnant]

Yeah I was looking at them and didn't actually switch any of them over

[kind remnant]

sorry for spamming the chat tonight, appreciate everyones help

got my first clear with a very lucky cheesey duo boon haha

[gray haven]

@kind remnant the final boss is spoilers. Please use spoiler tags.

[kind remnant]

done, sorry

If you already have a boon say in a special slot, are you less likely to roll a new special boon with a different god?

[grave storm]

yes

[gray haven]

Yes, there's only a 10% chance that an exchange is offered for Attack, Special, Cast, or Dash—and only for one of them.

[kind remnant]

that makes a lot of sense. thank you

[leaden whale]

hello, is there only a limited amount of titan bloods, diamonds, and ambrosia? is it enough to get everything u need them for?

i just unlocked ||heat|| and do know u can get em with ||heat levels||

[viscid notch]

There is a limited amount from ||bounties|| technically but it’s way more than enough, you can also buy Titan Blood / Diamond at the Styx shop or you can exchange for them at the Broker back at the House, you also get a lot from The Prophecies list

[viscid notch]

Also you should spoiler ||Heat||

In this channel

[leaden whale]

ohhh mb!

[viscid notch]

There is another one

[chrome ruin]

which sword aspect is best to use

[viscid notch]

It’s tough to put one aspect as best above the rest, they have different playstyles, so it’s really up to you, they are all viable

[chrome ruin]

what about boons?

only ones ive liked so far is ares and zeus's

[viscid notch]

What would you know about boons specifically? The same can be said that all the gods are viable, if you’re looking for a build with a certain aspect then you’ll find a lot of combos of different gods

Like on Sword you could go for Merciful End with Ares and Athena, or Heartrend with Artemis and Aphro, or Smoldering Air with Zeus and Aphro, and you can probably find more strong builds with different stuff, those are just to name a few popular ones

[chrome ruin]

srry i dont know/remember those xD

i like ares's doom

and a zeus boon that gives you aoe lightning on your basic attack

[viscid notch]

Yea those are duo boons, which can enhance your builds when they revolve around 2 specific gods

You can check them in your Codex, they have prerequisites from the 2 gods before they can show up

[viscid notch]

So gods like Ares Zeus Dionysus are flat dmg gods, because their dmg comes from external sources like Doom, Chain Lightning/ Lightning bolts and Hangover respectively, you put those gods on fast actions that can apply them quickly, like the fists attack, the rail attack etc.. Aphrodite Artemis Athena ||Demeter|| and Poseidon are gods that increase the dmg of the actual action, if you notice what the tooltip says, for example an Artemis attack would say something like, increases your attack dmg by 20% and gives you 15% chance to crit, those are put on slower attacks that deal more dmg, like the Bow’s Attack, the Rail special, etc

Also we usually avoid Poseidon on the attack/Special, because of the knockback effect that his boons have

It’s messy to deal with, throwing your enemies all over the place isn’t that nice, and can ruin some synergies with certain weapons/builds

Doesn’t make him a bad god, his Cast Call and Dash are amazing with the right builds, you can find a similar pattern with other gods, like Ares’ Call being subpar, Dio/aphro Cast being subpar if you’re not focusing on the cast etc

[chrome ruin]

hmm i thought you used poseidon for farming o something

athena deflect dash is way too good over others

[viscid notch]

He has boons that can help with Farming like Sunken Treasure and Ocean’s Bounty, you would still want Chaos Eclipse boons to back it up if you can, but yea he is nice for farming, it’s not his only purpose tho

[viscid notch]

Her Dash is strong indeed, but for Speedrunning for example you’d want more dmg with certain aspects like Eris Hestia Chiron Achilles so you’d go for Poseidon’s Dash

[leaden whale]

+1 on for poseidon dash

sploosh doosh

[viscid notch]

Nemesis Heartrend would want Arty’s Dash

Etc

[chrome ruin]

heartrend?

[viscid notch]

Heartrend is the Artemis Aphrodite Duo boon which makes your crits do more on Weak enemies

[chrome ruin]

oh

[viscid notch]

Nemesis’ main source of dmg is dash strikes

Arty’s Dash gives dash strike dmg

Poseidon’s Dash on Nemesis would knock enemies away for example which doesn’t synergize well with the aspect because it plays close to enemies

[chrome ruin]

yeah i hate knockback on melee weapons

[viscid notch]

Same could be said for like Hidden Bow or Bow in general

But yea there are no bests in general, a lot of things work and a lot of things don’t, experimenting is helpful, at some point you’ll have a good idea of what exactly to look for with certain builds

Or you can always ask for advice about builds in #h1-builds-and-combat

[weak zephyr]

how sad were you guys when you found out that meg has to be defeated again and again?

[chrome ruin]

thx boss appreciate it!

[leaden whale]

don't be

||you get two other furies later :>||

[weak zephyr]

😦 thats comforting

[viscid notch]

[indigo zealot]

why is it sad anyway?

[weak zephyr]

it took me more than 10 runs

thats why

[leaden whale]

oof

this might be a long road for you

[indigo zealot]

i guess u kinda expected that from a roguelike game?

[viscid notch]

At some point you’ll be clearing it more consistently, it’s a learning curve but don’t be discouraged by it, but yea it’s the genre of the game afterall

[weak zephyr]

did the game suggest godmoding it to you too?

[viscid notch]

I dont really remember, it’s been a long time lol

But godmode can help

It’s gud

[weak zephyr]

yeah

[indigo zealot]

i dun even know it exists until someone mentioned in chat lol

dun think the game ever tells me to try god mode

[leaden whale]

yeah you can only find it by going in the settings

[weak zephyr]

around my 7th run, i talked to the skelly and then there was a tip to godmode

[leaden whale]

ah ok

never saw that

beat it on my 18th sooo ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[weak zephyr]

is there some way you can check which run yooure at?

[leaden whale]

on the title screen, when you pick a save file, it shows the no. of attempts you made

[weak zephyr]

ah okay

also is it better to play with xbox controller or mouse and keyboard?

easier i mean

[indigo zealot]

i personally like controller

[viscid notch]

I think most would say Controller is easier

[leaden whale]

controller defo

it's much easier to do stuff like dash strike

[weak zephyr]

i'll try with that then

[leaden whale]

and you don't need to worry about where you're pointing

[viscid notch]

Doesn’t mean KBM is necessarily bad, we have a ton of top players who use KBM, it’s comfortable for some

[strange bay]

Hello guys,hows hades on switch handheld?

[sudden steppe]

If you’re used to playing games like Diablo on KBM, Hades will be right at home

[sudden steppe]

Ok, no glaring problems

Might need better JoyCons, because hand cramps

[strange bay]

Does it looks better on the new switch OLED?

[leaden whale]

yes.

[strange bay]

Polly ok with me,i have small hands,lol

[leaden whale]

it is an oled screen; it looks better

[sudden steppe]

Hades is pretty colorful, so yeah

[strange bay]

Ok,i will get it later

[normal horizon]

Yoo, I’m new to the game

Any tips?

[molten ridge]

Don't tunnel vision on "winning", just play around, learn enemy patterns, and find weapons/boons that you really like.

[alpine ridge]

also keep talking to everyone, one of the best parts of this game is the dialogue

[molten ridge]

Talking to everyone is also the solution to like... the vast majority of questions in the format of "how do I unlock X"

[normal horizon]

Yeah, I joined to game just for that

Gameplay and story

Mostly the story

And well, of course because it has to do with Greek gods

And who doesn’t like them 👀

[gray haven]

I think the most important thing that the game doesn't tell you is that your dashes only have i-frames if they're empty dashes.

So if you do a Dash-Strike or something, you don't get i-frames.

[modern briar]

oh my god

[molten ridge]

Lol, did you just learn that now? Womp womp.

Yeah it's a pretty huge detail the game doesn't give you any indication for.

[slow ferry]

this game is filled with subtle mechanics like that

[molten ridge]

Agreed, though the dash strike thing is far from a "subtle" mechanic lol. Dashing is pretty much every weapon's best mobility option, and virtually every weapon wants to dash strike

Especially when you're new, it's pretty easy on like, Fists to be like, "huh, am I just bad? I feel like I'm dodging these attacks but maybe I'm just not getting the timing right..."

[celest fox]

I've gotten pretty far on Hades on Switch Lite so I have no doubts you can too

Just takes a while and you'll want to adjust controls

I have dash on R and reload on ZR

And like I swapped cast to X instead of A

[leaden whale]

I used god mode the very first time I fired up the game, it's a blessing for me because I have motor function issues

[normal horizon]

Speaking of god mode, am I the only one who enjoys games more when they are on the hardest difficulty?
👀

Aside from all the rage, it can be fun at times

[sudden steppe]

||You’ll get harder difficulty settings once you beat the final boss for the first time, should be a blast for you there 😉||

But, yeah, speaking of God Mode, it is really a blessing for people who need it. I first beat the game on God Mode, and proceeded to learn the game properly to beat it without it. It’s a journey, yes

[kind remnant]

Is it just RNG for duo boons? Been trying to do a merciful end build but can't get it to drop. Does it matter which god once you meet the conditions?

[molten ridge]

It is RNG yes. It's also affected by generic rarity increases, by a flat 10% for each one that would affect duos. You can get them from either god, but not from a Trial chamber.

[kind remnant]

i see

[molten ridge]

Things you can do to help are to pick God keepsakes, which increases duo chance by 10%, also you can fill up your God pool (to 4 gods), and fill in your core slots

[kind remnant]

so you mean if I have a purple special vs grey speical odds are higher?

[molten ridge]

You're guaranteed at least one of the your cores (attack, special, cast, dash) if that slot is unoccupied whenever you pick a boon (this doesn't apply after you spend a reroll)

[kind remnant]

Should have kept the keep sake on

[molten ridge]

Nah, this isn't what I meant. If you have a God keepsake, God's Legacy, and a Chaos rarity buff, your duo chance is +30%.

And in general it's definitely not worthwhile to keep a God keepsake past the one biome you have it in.

[kind remnant]

I see

Yeah I took it off once I met the conditions in hopes I'd get it so I could use a better buff

[molten ridge]

You're going to get lots of runs without duo boons though. They're not meant to be things you can rely on getting.

Well, at least the duo you're looking for. It's not too hard to get a generic duo every run.

[kind remnant]

I see yeah makes sense

Just went 0/3 on possible rolls on it

what are generic duos?

[molten ridge]

Any duo between any gods you have with the appropriate pre-requisites

[boreal zenith]

Sooo Rocket Cluster Bomb on Eris Aspect with Poseidon and Zeus is utterly broken

[molten ridge]

Yep 🙂 It's one of the most busted things you can do in this game, for sure.

[boreal zenith]

I mean I managed to beat ||Hades|| without barely taking any damage lol

[kind remnant]

I had a super cheesey duo boon so yeah makes sense you can't always get them. I had poseidon's call only your meter could charge max 25% but it auto fills. I was getting it like every 5 seconds

[molten ridge]

Yeah, Poseidon's Aid (especially with Rip Current) + Smoldering Air is also incredibly broken.

[kind remnant]

Noted lol

[molten ridge]

Rip Current + Smoldering Air feels very close to cheating.

[kind remnant]

smoldering air that's what it was

wasn't even trying to get it

[deep oar]

throw some hunter mark in there 😍

[molten ridge]

lol why? What's the interaction there. I guess if you have Pressure Points or something but honestly Rip Current will already delete rooms by tiself.

[deep oar]

well yes pp for hunter mark

but it’s good since rip pulls everyone together so hunters mark flies around between basically the whole room

ontop of the inherent strength of smoldering whip

[dusty vault]

B.wave sounds more fun to get than pp + hunter's mark imo

[deep oar]

bofa

it’s not implausible to get both anyway
it’s not something to like go into a run trying to roll but if it’s in my choices then might as well

[normal horizon]

Copy that 🙂

[solar hemlock]

Omg I think I did it

Wow my first victory

[grave storm]

good stuff
Hunting blades are fun

[noble mist]

Congrats!

[solar hemlock]

Thank you hehe

[leaden whale]

good job man

"The First of Many?"

[solar hemlock]

Yeah posted in victory boasting. Such a relief tbh.

I had Artemis and Ares Duo boon that made Blade Rift lock on target. That and Athena’s call. Actually amazing. Lots of sturdy boons dash sturdy and attack sturdy. Found Artemis seeking arrow that I love.

It was such a nice run tbh

[celest fox]

Nice

Hunting blades is very good. It makes the Ares cast much better

Try it with a ||cast aspect|| some time. Like ||Aspect of Achilles on the spear||

[strange bay]

Whats the best weapons to use to complete the run?

As in the easiest as i just started playing

[leaden whale]

all of them are pretty viable

it really is just trying them and picking the one u like

i personally love the bow, but hate shield

but i won my first game wit shield

so dont restrict yourself!

[kind remnant]

If I'm still struggling to clear a run with other weapons would there be an advantage to farming titan blood on the first boss with all weapons and easy heats to build up some aspects?

[polar finch]

well you can only get 6 from that

which is like enough for a zag aspect and thats it

and only zag bow is worth upgrading

[kind remnant]

Oh, when I did a heat 1 run I noticed they all reset so I just assumed each additional heat did that lol, damn

[kind remnant]

Hera not good?

[grave storm]

Hera is good enough at level 1

doesn't need upgrades

[polar finch]

talking about zag aspects

all bow aspects are gud

[quick drum]

but zag fists are funny

[polar finch]

100% dodge chance

[quick drum]

zag fists are the only zag aspect I've ever upgraded

[polar finch]

i just dont like fists in general

[quiet storm]

I don't like the bow ngl

just doesn't feel right to me

[polar finch]

are you dash striking

[cunning totem]

i don't n=know if i use it properly but bow is the worst

[kind remnant]

rare crop is kinda awesome

[weak zephyr]

okay bone hydra was very easy

cleared it first try

[kind remnant]

hydra is the easiest imo

[solar hemlock]

It was for me too. I remember thinking I was gonna die but then I found myself fighting the third boss lol. Like how did I breeze through that?😆

[quick drum]

yeah probably without EM hydra is easiest for me too, with EM its furies though

[quiet storm]

i keep dying at hydra cos i always get there with like 40hp 😭

[sudden steppe]

Dash striking is your friend, always dash strike to keep the charge time fast

[hollow sapphire]

should i take blade dash or urge to kill?

[leaden whale]

I never use blade dash

[hollow sapphire]

what should i buy dionyus or hermes?

[sudden steppe]

Both are ok, my pick is urge to kill if I already aiming for a different dash, which I usually do

I would pick Hermes first, just to get him out of the way first

[hollow sapphire]

gotcha

[sudden steppe]

You only get two Hermes per run, with a chance for a third at the last biome

Getting him out early is good

[leaden whale]

depends, you're in asphodel, right?

if you've not seen him once yet, buy him now

you may be unlucky and not see him again for the rest of the run

[hollow sapphire]

aight

o well did the hydra thi

slicing shot or impending doom? 😄

[leaden whale]

impending for sure

but it honestly really depends on what you have on you at the time

this is a game that focuses very heavily on synergising your abilities

[leaden whale]

I escaped Tartarus for the first time and I feel happy

[viscid notch]

Nice!

[leaden whale]

I didn't think I could do it because my disability but I did

[strange fjord]

Good job!

[distant notch]

I wish I could love the bow. I'm just not good at it.

[distant notch]

Awesome job! Keep at it!

[marsh vector]

Hey guys, im New in this Genre and game

Played a lot of Diablo on PC and now i was searching for a New switch game... :-)

Did 4 runs till now, but often I dont Know what I pick at the end of the map when i open a door.

Is there somewhere a discription for all items?

[leaden whale]

try the wiki

it should have a list of everything you need to know

[marsh vector]

Link for it?

[leaden whale]

https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Hades_Wiki

[marsh vector]

Thx

Ok and one more question.

Is there a possibility to Upgrade weapons permanent? No, right?

[dusty vault]

After getting all weapons you can unlock aspects

[marsh vector]

So many thinks to do 😆

[grave storm]

There's a pinned post on #h1-builds-and-combat by Sparrow on Dec 19 2019
nah the top pins are pretty spoilery

actually here

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/520688402958516254/660997121406926849/hades_room_rewards_guide.png

[marsh vector]

Thx a lot

I will try some more runs hope getting more light in the dark 😆

The pom of Power is only for the run?

And nectar is permanent?

[viscid notch]

Correct

[marsh vector]

Ok still a grinding game i think to get All Upgrades and benefits

Nice

[viscid notch]

Yup, takes a while to max your mirror, weapons etc

[distant notch]

Yes! And that's the most amazing part of the game!

I'm on run 105 and I'm getting close to the end stuff. I'm partly dreading that because I don't want this game to ever end.

[grave storm]

Start a new hell mode file and do it again

[distant notch]

Oh! I didn't know there's a hell mode. lol

[polar finch]

or just keep playing

[marsh vector]

Wow... Just did my 10 run and the first time i came to this Boss like a snake

The more i play the deeper i get...

[strange fjord]

I love this one

[peak junco]

enjoy while youre there, teseus and minotaur is a big pain in the butt for begginers

wish you good luck

[marsh vector]

Was rly Hard and ofc I died at the first try.... But so much fun and Action. So much better than metroid Dread

[odd shoal]

You keep the nectar but the boon level does not persist between runs

[distant notch]

Not gonna lie. I probably will not stop until Supergiant comes up with a new game. lol

[marsh vector]

Now i think i know how IT works. Or better say, i think im starting to get some knowledge about that 😆

The pom gives temp Power up

And the nectar is for the keepsakes Upgrades

[odd shoal]

Yes

[marsh vector]

But Do i need still nectar when i got all keepsakes? Cause this items do i Level while playing

[odd shoal]

You can keep gifting nectar after the first one for more relationship

After you’ve given everyone max amount of nectar it’s only use is the level it gives your boon for that run

[marsh vector]

Max amount isnt 1? :-)

Damn that is going to take hours 😆

And are all of them in the "lobby" to give nectar?

[viscid notch]

You can also gift gods or npcs in story rooms (sisyphus.. etc) more than one nectar

[strange fjord]

You can check your progress in the codex btw ^^

[marsh vector]

Ah ok

[split apex]

what are the best upgrades to get on the mirror?

[grave storm]

All the purple skills except 4th last, 3rd last and last

[maiden ruin]

death defiances, extra dash, health per room, more base health, dark foresight

and rerolls

[grave storm]

So Family fave, Dark Foresight, Fated Persuation

both are good for 2nd last

[split apex]

okay thank you

[grave storm]

Also situational are Fiery Presence (1st) and Stubborn Defiance (the opposite to death defy)

Don't touch Olympian Favor and too much of Fated Authority until you maxed out everything else

[split apex]

okay thx

[hollow sapphire]

what is best item to use from keepsakes?

[modern briar]

Depends

Usually people use god keepsakes in the first two zones

[hollow sapphire]

which one is that xD?

[slow ferry]

The ones that the boon gods give you

[marsh vector]

God keepsakes? 😆

[modern briar]

those guarantee that your first boon is from a specific god

[marsh vector]

Ah ok i got atm 20 less dmg from Front 10 more from behind

[polar finch]

hmmm youd need over 250 health for that to be better than collar or tooth

wait its 30% maxed

[viscid notch]

I still find it hard to use

[polar finch]

more like 170+ then

assuming youre only getting hit from the front but like what counts as your front

is it split in 2 180 degree arcs or are there 'flanks'

@ Nyaanyaa Mewmew

[marsh vector]

Ok then going for collar and tooth

?

[viscid notch]

Those are better defensive keepsakes than Black Shawl yea

Acorn is also good for bosses

Broken Spearpoint can be helpful, more conditional you could say so it’s less popular

[marsh vector]

https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Keepsakes

Collar and tooth?

[viscid notch]

Whats with them

[marsh vector]

Where?! 😆

[viscid notch]

Oh

The Collar is Cerberus’ Keepsake, it’s the first one on that wiki page you sent

Extra hp

Tooth is Skelly’s Keepsake and it’s the 10th on the wiki link

It’s basically a death defiance that restores hp based on keepsake level, at max level it restores 100

[marsh vector]

Thx

[clever sage]

what is the difference between hades and hades: battle out of hell?

[digital juniper]

someone playing on steam?

[marsh vector]

Me on switch, so good for this

Ok then now farm for collar. This item needs Leveling and give more nectar to cerberus

[marsh vector]

Cant stop playing... Holy hell

[strange fjord]

Hahaa yeah i felt like this too when i got mine

It's really fun

[digital juniper]

I could not play yet but i guess it will be fun

[leaden whale]

I have to jump to discord to ask if Chthonic Vitality worth upgrading?

[polar finch]

ye

its free healing and cheap to upgrade

[leaden whale]

Oh ok, I was trying to save up for Death defiance upgrade because my dodging skills isn’t good but it good to take a while for he to get it

[polar finch]

youll get the dd's eventually anyways

[leaden whale]

So, the more I look at it. Is it best to upgrade everything in the mirror or is there some upgrade that isn’t worth it? I haven’t unlock everything slots from mirror yet and I just started playing almost a hours ago

[polar finch]

some upgrades are better than other like death defiances and the last couple upgrades at the bottom but theyre expensive to max so best to just invest in everything

[leaden whale]

Oh ok, I feel like I need to stop speedrun to the end but it’s basically natural for me to start a game and already trying to upgrade everything.

[celest fox]

Yeah. I'd honestly just figure out what you need from the mirror

Upgrade that

Because you need darkness for other stuff

Then eventually max out the mirror

[leaden whale]

Noob question, where to go to upgrade max health?

[celest fox]

Mirror

Its called thick skin

If you dont see it use more keys on the mirror

[leaden whale]

Oh ok, I guess I need to unlock slots before asking noob questions…

[grave storm]

Early mirror things to avoid:
High Confidence - only pays off when you're really good
Olympian Favor - because Dark Foresight on the other side gives you more boons, and more regular boons are more helpful than less but rarer ones

to some degree Golden Touch - it's good for getting lots of money to spend at the last shop, but being able to spend money before that might be needed to get you there

Dark Regeneration is also not too great, and a case of "the reverse is much better"

[leaden whale]

Oh ok, thx

[polar finch]

also stubborn defiance aint as cool as it looks

[alpine ridge]

until ||you start doing high heat stuff where it is exactly as cool as it looks||

[indigo zealot]

i like Golden Touch XD

[grave storm]

SD vs DD is still a "try which fits you more" for newer players
There are people here who are new and are just better at bosses than regular rooms

[polar finch]

idk half the time i see it, they arent even dying much to regular rooms if i ask

[leaden whale]

I mainly die from the bombers room but I’m getting better at it

[leaden whale]

So yea, one thing I need to learn is to dodge better or get strong enough to basically one shot enemies

[static oriole]

high confidence is good on shields though, even if you're not good

i mean, i'm not good, but i use it almost every time

with any other weapon i just die

top speenrunners usually say: "Just don't get hit"

but for me it's only possible with shields for now

[polar finch]

its only for speedrunning tbh

or like just if you know you arent going to die

[proven pivot]

God I hate when people unironically say things like "don't get hit" like yeah that's the idea but how?

[modern path]

Just dodge ez

[coarse pendant]

is the aphrodite boon good?

[polar finch]

well depends on what weapon and what gods youre pairing her with

[coarse pendant]

im currently using the bow

[polar finch]

she's a good option on the attack. you can pair her with zeus call and potentially get smouldering air

[coarse pendant]

ok

[polar finch]

another option is artemis attack and aphro on a different slot

zeus also works as a third god here

[coarse pendant]

ok

thanks

[weak zephyr]

why are the asphodel full automatic witches so annoying

[leaden whale]

I’m seeing paring with gods, am I a post to strategy my boons? I just pick the one that upgrade the attack I use the most. Like, the spear, I only get dash and special boons since because I don’t usually use my cast that often. I do use my cast if a lot of enemies but tbh, I don’t know what it does.

[leaden whale]

yes, witches and the witches circle is so bad without any reflect

[leaden whale]

a big part of the game is synergising your boon picks, as you play the game and fill the codex, you'll become more aware of the various duo boons and synergies. you don't necesaily have to worry about that yet, only once you start ||turning up the heat||

[polar finch]

still pretty important for getting your first clear earlier

and not ending up with a cursed build 💩

[leaden whale]

Oh, I didn’t know it have strategy elements in this game. I thought it was a family friendly game of killing enemies and don’t die like a noob

[polar finch]

learn how to build is one of the most important skills for a new player to learn

[leaden whale]

a family friendly game of killing enemies

[polar finch]

good builds make a huge difference to actually being able to kill things without taking an eternity

[leaden whale]

Yes, it’s a light joke in my comment but still, I guess I need to learn how to build

But yea, I really like the spear and lightning dash

then stick jolted on too

I wish my spear have the thing that hit multiple enemies(I can’t think rn) permanently

[quick drum]

you mean the hammer upgrade?

[leaden whale]

triple jab perhaps

I think, I remember I have that on one of my run and I love that boon

or serrated point?

[quick drum]

or maybe chain skewer (i think thats what its called?)

[leaden whale]

Yes, that one!

I need more of that in my run

true

thunder flourish is quite nice on it as well

because of the amount of enemies it hits

[elfin talon]

hayo

[leaden whale]

howdy

[polar finch]

probably better to just go doom

kinda need jolted for zeus special

[elfin talon]

i have had this game for 2 days and im up to the 3rd level and its fun

[leaden whale]

eh it's just two boons
jolted runs are piss easy to get going

[elfin talon]

So um how do I get more titan blood

[leaden whale]

win a run with each weapon

[elfin talon]

Oh I see

[polar finch]

you could just get ares special and impending doom tbh

[leaden whale]

after you unlock ||the pact||, which allows you to add difficulty modifiers for more run rewards

[elfin talon]

Ok

[leaden whale]

ME zag spear 😳

[elfin talon]

The furthest I have gotten is small man and his big bull fight

[leaden whale]

oh you mean asterius

[elfin talon]

Yea

[leaden whale]

and the other guy...

[elfin talon]

I killed the bull but little man is anoying

[leaden whale]

just focus on the bull for most of the fight, thesues only has one ranged attack that is very telegraphed

[elfin talon]

And he can call zuses power

That's what killed me

[viscid notch]

He can call any god that isn’t in your pool

[leaden whale]

he can call any of the 9 gods power

[elfin talon]

So I got really unlucky

[leaden whale]

zoos is probably in the middle of difficulty

aphrodite can really throw you off because the safe zone is where exactly you are standing

and ares is generally really big

but he still only has 2 attacks

[viscid notch]

Dio is easy

[leaden whale]

yeah he kinda just, lobs his shots in the general vicinity of zag

pretty fitting tbh

[quick drum]

3 attacks right? the spear throw, spin, and bullhorn?

[leaden whale]

oh right i forgot bullhorn

sorry

B U L L H O R N

(crowd cheers)

[quick drum]

and then ||after their friendship arc he gets that shockwave attack||

[leaden whale]

oh yeah i noticed that

i thought i just never realised

is that excusive to em3?

[quick drum]

nope

he can use it even without EM if the condition is met

[leaden whale]

damn

always something new with this game

[gray haven]

Top speedrunners actually don't care too much about getting hit because their DPS is so high, they'll win anyway.

You also usually just try to kill things as soon as they spawn.

[static oriole]

yeah, i do too

even with shields i get hit, imagine not getting hit with something like Eris rail

[polar finch]

well like

eris rail kinda kills everything in seconds with barely any effort

[quick drum]

yeah its pretty funny to see the speedruns just facetank final boss without even attempting to dodge because it would waste like 0.2 seconds

[static oriole]

if you have best hammer combo it does

otherwise i get hit trying to apply buff on myself, which requires to be close to enemies

i don't know, most likely i just suck

[leaden whale]

yeah eris is busted, even when not at full blood

[polar finch]

you really dont need clockets at ||low heat||

tidal dash also helps a lot

youll just smack enemies away from yourself

[static oriole]

i take tidal dash every time, but doesn't seem to help very much, i should practice more maybe without heat

i also get hit pretty bad early on in tartarus on boss fight, since i start with Zeus keepsake

not always lucky enough to get tidal dash earlier than in asphodel

maybe it would be better to start with conch shell

tidal dash deals more damage than lightning strike anyway

[polar finch]

problem is the range

in tart enemies melt from lightning strike alone

[static oriole]

furie sisters don't

usually takes a lot of time to get past them, and before i do, they take at least one dd

[viscid notch]

Yea Eris is risky

[marsh vector]

Mhhh still about what best weapon for beginner 😆

[polar finch]

uh

shield ig

[marsh vector]

Shield? Mhh ok thought the spear maybe

But sword seems pretty Hard 😆

[restive portal]

Bow it's a good weapon for beginner since you get to control the space a bit better. Combined with Flood Shot it lets you keep most enemies away.

[viscid notch]

It’s really up to your comfort with each weapon but Shield is technically the safest since you can block everything

[restive portal]

Spear suffers from low damage output, but there are few hammers which really help that.

Personally I never liked shield as a beginner due to its timing.

It takes a bit of practice

[static oriole]

i hope you don't mean flood shot on Hera, cause that would be terrible choice for a beginner

in my personal experience it was

[restive portal]

I'm assuming no aspects.

[static oriole]

i think Chiron is the best for beginners, since it's easy to use

[restive portal]

Just as a separate thing to control enemies.

Yeah if aspects are unlocked it's a whole different question

[quick drum]

chiron only gets good at high aspect level

[static oriole]

yeah, forgot about that

[restive portal]

It's still okay at base level

[static oriole]

with 4 arrows?

no way

[restive portal]

Get hammer for extra

Still enough to add max hangover with one upgrade

[static oriole]

with chiron you'd prefer concentrated volley over relentless though

you can get both in time, but still

when offered two of those at the same time (and that's how it is usually), you go for concentrated since it's more damage

[restive portal]

With 4 arrows it's not much more damage though

I used it quite successfully for hangover runs early on. It's about applying a status effect, not dealing direct damage.

[static oriole]

but wouldn't be slow and with no room for upgrading your damage output?

drunken flourish doesn't scale well with poms

maybe go for duos then

curse of nausea

and one other duo

with aphro

[restive portal]

Should probably move this to #h1-builds-and-combat at some point.

Since I think some of this is spoilers.

(e.g. talk about ||aspects||)

[static oriole]

aspects are unlocked pretty quickly though, since all you need is to buy all 6 weapons, but ok

[restive portal]

Don't you need to fight final boss?

I honestly don't remember.

If not then fine.

[static oriole]

no

[viscid notch]

You just need to do a run

[static oriole]

you do need to fight him at least once in order to unlock hidden aspects

[viscid notch]

After you unlock all 6 base ones

[static oriole]

you can do that in first 2-4 hours i think

[viscid notch]

Yupp, just a few keys

[static oriole]

and after 2-4 hours you still a beginner

even after 200 hours you are

[viscid notch]

Upgrading the aspects is another story tho

[static oriole]

yeah, beginners usually don't know what to upgrade

[restive portal]

Ah I was thinking of hidden aspects. Fair enough.

[marsh vector]

Got 10 runs for now and still stuck at Bones Hydra. I never will unlock all base weapons 😆

[chrome ruin]

understandable

[static oriole]

just farm keys

[marsh vector]

Have to 😆

Thought game isnt that grindy... But now i See, it is. And i love ginding 😆

[arctic stag]

Any tips on a good build for it?

[viscid notch]

The 4th rail aspect should be spoiler tagged in this channel, as for the build, you can go the for ZAP, which is basically Zeus on the attack, Artemis/Aphro on the Special and Poseidon on the dash, Triple Bomb is the best hammer for the aspect

[polar finch]

budget eris moment

[crisp robin]

how do i get out of house of hades to get to the chambers yk

[arctic stag]

I see

[modern briar]

You mean like, starting a run?

[viscid notch]

To continue on this, look for Static Discharge from Zeus and try to set up for Splitting Bolt, Zeus' or Dio's Aid are best for dmg, Poseidon is a nice in between because he also gives you immunity, and Athena is the go to for safety

[modern briar]

Go to zag’s room

Continue onwards

[crisp robin]

im at the place with the skeleton

i just experienced my first death

[arctic stag]

I see. Thanks

[modern briar]

Bottom right corner

Entrance

[arctic stag]

The pink window

[crisp robin]

oh ok ty

now i feel dumb

[coarse pendant]

im having trouble clearing asphodel

any tips

[celest fox]

What are you struggling with

Enemies are better with ranged weapons because they like to jump away

[polar finch]

^

[celest fox]

Avoid their front usually because they attack/shoot waves/throw bombs

Dash away from anyone with bombs

Even on death

Their range is pretty small

The boss is just dash everything tbh and kill stuff fast

[polar finch]

dont stand in lava btw the lava dmg ramps up the longer ur in it

[celest fox]

Yeah

[coarse pendant]

ok

[polar finch]

athena dash makes things easier in general ig

[celest fox]

Yeah

Any projectile you deflect is inert vs you

Even bombs

Even mines

Divine dash will carry one specific miniboss in Asphodel

[craggy pelican]

Hi! Playing for some time already, got to Elysium, but in my very first attempt i got that gift that gives you +2 health for every shot. I think it was so good (killed Meg first try lol) and I'm interested who gives this thing?

[viscid notch]

You're referring to a hammer I assume?

If so that's probably Cursed Slash which is a sword hammer upgrade, you get 2 Hammers per run, it's random, you can't exactly force that to show up again without the use of mods

[craggy pelican]

oh, i thought that was some god's gift

Thanks!

[marsh vector]

Mhhh got now all weapons...

But where to spend my titan blood?

[viscid notch]

If you start another run and die, you'll be able to interact with weapons to unlock aspects

[marsh vector]

Ah Nice thx

That run Was close to beat the bone Hydra... :-/ 10% left. Getting closer

[leaden whale]

keep at it!

death makes you stronger

[leaden whale]

Can someone give me a list on each gods boons and upgrade? I haven’t figure out which god to go for since I don’t know their icon

[polar finch]

you end up unlocking a feature for this with the codex and buying the upgrade from the contractor

if you have the upgrade its just opening the codex and going to a god entry then pressing the boon list button

[leaden whale]

Oh ok, I need check the codex more. Thx