it's a good weapon that can do a ton of damage, but there isn't one best weapon in the game
#h1-for-new-players
sand river
leaden whale
got the demeter/poseidon duo for cast instead of artemis bc i didnt get artemis
valid thicket
it's a good weapon that can do a ton of damage, but there isn't one best weapon ...
thx
knotty rune
yeah theres not really any trick
its just insanely long range
dont ever use the spin
dont worry about throwing it
just play it like the fists
but from the safety of halfway across the map
youre safe from melee attacks, projectiles you can see coming, you have the space to see exactly what the enemy is doing before they reach or hit you with anything, and the distance to react to it, you dont need to use precise iframes to dodge through attacks because just backing away is enough
so its just the most basic and fundamental of the melee weapons
basically spear is more about spacing, while sword and fists are about timing
timing generally takes more experience with the enemies moveset i suppose
i just think its harder to fully read telegraphs when youre right up in the enemies face spamming it with flashy punches and effects
with bow and spear you can hang back a bit and see how they move and what they do
and then the cost of that i guess, is that the dps usually feels lower than sword or fists
leaden whale
which is why i prefer sword or fists bc doing the most damage is kinda all i care about
ofc still keeping my hp up
slow ferry
If you wish spear dealt more damage, there's always hidden spear
gray haven
Cast > Dash-Strike x2 > repeat will give you the best DPS on base spear if you don't have Exploding Launcher. If you have that, you can do Special > Dash-Strike x2 or just hang back and spam your Special—especially good if you also have Charged Skewer.
So you'll want a decent Dash and a Cast that lodges (base Cast is actually decent for that). Some Attacks will be better than others, but you can make anything work.
Good dashes for DPS would be Tidal Dash and Passion Dash. They both have amazing pom scaling, so they're usually your #1 priority for poms.
Divine Dash is fine to pick up, too.
Deflects can do a lot of damage.
Best Attacks for base spear are pretty much Deadly Strike + Hunter's Mark and Lightning Strike + Static Discharge. You'd want a pom or two on Hunter's Mark or Static Discharge, respectively, but not over your Dash.
gray haven
That one is spoilers here. You'll need ||Killing Freeze|| to get good DPS from that.
proven pivot
At some point I began ignoring poms altogether tbh
odd shoal
poms good
proven pivot
Evidently
eager phoenix
Had a question about aspect of hades for the spear, what does the wiki mean by "Punishing Bonus Damage" Is that damage applied to both special and my attack?
grave cloak
Spin is really hard to use imo
sudden steppe
You can dash while charging up the spin
dim quiver
Had a question about aspect of hades for the spear, what does the wiki mean by "...
my first aspect
im no expert but what works for me is charging it up at a distance, and waiting for the enemies to step within range
dont use it much anymore tho
eager phoenix
Thanks!
I'm also confused about duo boons. I don't quite understand how to meet the requirements
maiden ruin
I'm also confused about duo boons. I don't quite understand how to meet the requ...
You need to get certain boons from two gods to get their duo boon
Check the codex, it will help you a lot when you are trying to get duo boons and legendary boons
eager phoenix
Is it possible to get duo boons in second/third area? or it's only usually found in the fourth one
maiden ruin
You can find them anywhere except for trials
eager phoenix
IF they do need for example, Tempest strike and deadly strike, do i need to get both of them? or just one of them. since they replace each other if i'm not mistaking.
maiden ruin
One of them
Most duo boons have multiple boon requisites from a god
But if you check the codex it will say that you need one of those
eager phoenix
got it, thanks
leaden whale
how do you setup hunting blades with achilles spear? ares or artemis first?
burnt dirge
which upgrades should i get from the mirror of darkness? (i unlocked all of them)
ping me in reply
noble mist
which upgrades should i get from the mirror of darkness? (i unlocked all of them...
Fiery/Shadow presence, Cthonic vitality Thick skin, death defiance, Infernal/Stygian soul, abyssal/boiling blood, the one that makes poms, boons and hammers more likely(forgot what it’s called), fated persuasion or the other one. Honestly just try and unlock all of them
I would say the most important ones are thick skin, death defiance, shadow/fiery, boiling blood and dark foresight. Fated persuasion is also nice. The rest are also important but not extreme priority
maiden ruin
Abyssal stinky
gray haven
Spin is really hard to use imo
For Hades Aspect, you don't have to do a max spin every time. A mini spin will apply the debuff just as well. That might make it easier. And you can easily charge the spin between enemy waves or between boss phases.
burnt dirge
Fiery/Shadow presence, Cthonic vitality Thick skin, death defiance, Infernal/Sty...
ok, thank you
wide swan
If I still have all 3 death defiances and get Athena's last stand, will that grant me a total of 4?
maiden ruin
No, it replenishes a lost dd or sd
wide swan
Oh. Too bad. Thanks!
noble mist
Only way to get 4th dd is chaos leg or skelly tooth
wide swan
I see. Thanks for the info.
limber palm
Wait could you get both...
5 DDs?!
grave storm
yeah I think I saw a 5DD floating around somewhere
gray haven
You can get multiple DDs from Master Chaos in one run.
sterile solar
yeah I think I saw a 5DD floating around somewhere
I dont remember who posted it but here it is
Oops can't post pics here
craggy sundial
Indeed
sterile solar
Nyx: How many DDs do you want?
Zagreus: Yes.
craggy sundial
cutely defies death 6 times
jovial notch
||http://imgur.com/a/gNGjrcu||
what the hell
sterile solar
What the underworld you mean
storm basin
What's the difference between leveling up boons and upgrading their rarity
Referring to euridice's offerings
gray haven
||http://imgur.com/a/gNGjrcu||
Sorry, but you'll need to spoiler-tag that. 
noble mist
can you get chaos dds with sd?
gray haven
Yes.
heady comet
What's the difference between leveling up boons and upgrading their rarity
Base vs scaling
Upgrading rarity is just like from common->rare, etc while leveling is 4 rando poms
maiden ruin
||heat is a spoiler in this channel||
leaden whale
how do I black it out
maiden ruin
||when you clear a run you will get the rewards for the lowest heat on that weapon, so if your lowest heat on that weapon was 0, and you win a run with heat on, then you will get the rewards for 1 heat||
||but if you complete a run with 5 heat with your highest heat on that weapon being 1 heat then you will get the rewards for 2 heat but not for 3, 4, and 5 heat||
sand river
how do I black it out
put || on each side of the text, like ||text||
if you want to block out the entire message you can start the message with /spoiler
knotty rune
Base vs scaling
lots of boons are % based anyways
for those its just... more scaling
it seems to me like a rarity level is worth 2 poms
slow ferry
As you add more poms on something, the poms get less effective
But rarity goes up by the same amount every time pretty much
A rarity level is worth as much as your first pom on a boon
Like, from level 1 to level 2
outer flax
Oohh that's good to know. I figured rarity was better from experience from RP games
dusty vault
most of the time poms matter more than the rarity of the boon (unless ofc you cant put poms on it)
gray haven
Pom and rarity bonuses are just additive. The first pom on a boon is typically comparable to a rarity upgrade, but it depends on the specific boon. Later poms tend to be worth way less than a rarity upgrade. And some boons can't be pommed at all.
It really depends a lot on the specific circumstances.
robust slate
Can anyone help me figure out how to use Titans blood
bright mauve
Can anyone help me figure out how to use Titans blood
Once you unlock everyone weapon, you will know what to do with it
robust slate
Once you unlock everyone weapon, you will know what to do with it
I got 4 but have empty slots mind sharing how to get those
bright mauve
I got 4 but have empty slots mind sharing how to get those
They will just appear over time. I'm not sure on what exactly triggers them to appear, but as you progress in the game, they should be there. It shouldn't take too long either
slow ferry
Once you unlock the fourth weapon i think you just have to do a run and then after that the fifth weapon appears
And the same again for sixth
knotty rune
they take keys to unlock
so you can certainly start saving keys now to get them quicker
you can buy a key for 10 gems from the wretched broker
which is a good way to get 3-7 free keys every run
gray haven
You'll run out of use for Chthonic Keys long long before you run of use for Gemstones. So, that trade is a bit of a scam. 
bright mauve
Gems are primarily used for aesthetic changes, which isn't as necessary for the game play as the keys are. Id say it's a solid investment
slow ferry
well if you have too much keys you can turn them into nectar and then pour that nectar on a rock
leaden whale
bow
storm basin
?
leaden whale
focus on attacks/dash attacks bc special sucks unless ur point blank
leaden whale
im not even completely sure bc i dont play bow besides other aspects
poseidon dash is generally good for ranged weapons
slow ferry
yeah you want aphro artemis and then heartrend on bow, that usually works pretty well
storm basin
What's heartrend
leaden whale
the artemis/aphrodite duo boon
slow ferry
that's the duo boon for those two gods
leaden whale
np
slow ferry
the trick to bow is learning when its safe to stand still
storm basin
Another question
leaden whale
hm?
slow ferry
and the other trick is that when you dash into an attack it makes the arrow charge faster and deal less damage
storm basin
If I keep the artemis keepsake for two levels does it ensure that I'll get her boon for both levels ?
slow ferry
nope it doesn't ensure that
faint umbra
no, it only gives you a boon once, but it keeps the rarity bonus
slow ferry
however you'll probably see artemis again because she's in your pool now
leaden whale
i love how i got ||hidden aspect of guan yu|| when i dont play spear what so ever
slow ferry
Yeah you always get that one first
leaden whale
anyways back to clearing with a gun aspect so i can be a step closer towards the prophecy
storm basin
Thanks!
leaden whale
yw
sullen eagle
leaden whale
zeus is nice, first time i ||beat hades|| it was only because of the zeus/artemis duo boon haha
craggy sundial
zeus is cool
pallid basin
zeus is nice, first time i ||beat hades|| it was only because of the zeus/artemi...
For me it was ares
Doom is op
outer flax
Mine was Athena with the bow. I forget what it was but the cast had deflect and did an insane amount of damage
grave storm
all I remember of mine was Nemesis sword with Ice Wine bc I was still in the "don't know what I'm doing" phase
leaden whale
A question if I may
I got into hades from dead cells and was told it had "amazing feeling satisfying skill based combat" but frankly I feel deceived it's just very button mashy. Am I doing something wrong? does it get better later in the game? or is it just not for me?
heady comet
well it is pretty button mashy but once you turn up difficulty level, then enemies attacks hit really hard and you have to focus more on dodging
but yah in early stages your build is way more impactful than your skill and you can outdamage enemies without dodging
leaden whale
That's unfortunate
heady comet
i mean you still have to kinda learn boss patterns tho
if your build is non optimal*
leaden whale
I guess I'll have to look forward to the bosses then
sudden steppe
I got into hades from dead cells and was told it had "amazing feeling satisfying...
Different weapons can give you different play styles to work with, and once you beat final boss for the first time, you open up more of the game, more play styles to choose from there
leaden whale
How many bosses are in the game?
sudden steppe
4
leaden whale
I have over 4 hrs in the game and I haven't even beaten those two guys
I'm terrible at this game
sudden steppe
Yeah, the heroes are probably the second big hurdle players usually face in this game, first one being Meg
leaden whale
Meg was frankly a pushover
sudden steppe
You’re doing fine, considering you got to the two heroes already, to be fair
leaden whale
You’re doing fine, considering you got to the two heroes already, to be fair
Sure I am
I only just barely managed take one of them down
Wasn't even close on the second
outer flax
IMO, Dead Cells and Hades has about the same amount of button smashing
sudden steppe
One of the reason it was hard was that there’s two of them. Focus on one and it becomes easier once one of them falls down
leaden whale
Which should I go for first in your opinion
sudden steppe
Generally it’s easier to knock down Asterius first
Theseus second phase can be dangerous
leaden whale
I know right
leaden whale
IMO, Dead Cells and Hades has about the same amount of button smashing
Really?
As a consequence of the weapon variety I wouldn't think so
noble mist
I have over 4 hrs in the game and I haven't even beaten those two guys
dude im gonna be honest, i dont think i had cleared tartarus by 4 hours lol. getting to elysium after 4 hours is pretty good
outer flax
Really?
Fair you do get more variety of weapons, which changes up how you mash the button 😄 . A guess a minor spoiler but ||you get more variety in weapons later both in class and their usage||
faint hornet
hades has a veeery steep curve of difficulty at some point
outer flax
@faint hornet when's that/
faint hornet
||pact of punishment||
wanton crest
Spoiler tag that please
faint hornet
since i didn't elaborate what it was i assume it would be fine, thx for pointing that out 🤔
leaden whale
IMO, Dead Cells and Hades has about the same amount of button smashing
imo not really
hades has more or less depending on if you hold attack or not
safe niche
yea, later on hades gets less button mashy, kinda like on 5 bc with dead cells
ocean basalt
So if I carried Zeus' keepsake all the way through Asphodel and he never showed up
will he make an appearance in Elysium if I hold onto it?
or is it shot at this point?
grave storm
If there's a 1 on the keepsake icon then it's still active
ocean basalt
Useful to know!
honest hare
Is reuniting ||Orpheus and Euridyce|| absolutely required in order to work on the other contracts?
... or is that a story question
muted latch
the various character storylines are mostly independent
only tied to the specific character's own affection meter, and of course unlocking ||Administration Chamber||
olive light
how do I get to the epilogue of the story?
undone sky
hi! kinda just started playing tho ive had experience with both iso-ARPGs and roguelikes
is there any must-haves or must-know for a first time playthrough on hell mode?
gray haven
Not really. You'll just figure things out as you go.
muted latch
yeah the game kinda presents its systems as time goes by
so you are never going to be suddently overwhelmed
I wouldnt go direct to hell mode tho
gray haven
There's a Newbie Build Guide in the pins if you just wanna make sure you have something to start with.
Hell Mode start is fine.
You can generally clear the game with any build and any weapon, even with no boons at all. Most important thing is learning the different enemy types and stuff.
I guess if there's one thing: you don't have i-frames if you Dash-Strike, so make sure you empty-dash to avoid attacks.
gray haven
how do I get to the epilogue of the story?
That's probably better for another channel since that's well past the end boss.
undone sky
I wouldnt go direct to hell mode tho
Idk I got as far as the final boss already and when I went to try out a normal save file it's uh really underwhelming
haven't beaten it yet but i get close every so often
just wondering if i should be doing anything special for hell mode in particular
undone sky
I guess if there's one thing: you don't have i-frames if you Dash-Strike, so mak...
thanks! if im getting this correctly, does deflect give iframes?
like on dash?
gray haven
No.
Dash gives i-frames.
Deflect just simply deflects attacks around you. Deflected attacks can't hit you. But if an attack connects with your hurtbox on the same frame you would deflect it, you'll take the damage, and the attack won't be deflected.
undone sky
Deflect just simply deflects attacks around you. Deflected attacks can't hit you...
I'm guessing that happens often enough that I should take note?
gray haven
Just that you should still be empty-dashing to avoid attacks even if you have Divine Dash.
Instead of Dash-Striking and hoping that Deflect will save you.
undone sky
gotcha
gray haven
The best thing about it is that it makes projectiles and bombs and stuff like that harmless, and it makes any lingering attacks harmless, so you won't get hit when you recover from your Dash. So it's still very valuable.
gray haven
Divine Dash, right.
undone sky
Understood, also, how do boon upgrades for dash and attack separately affect dash-strike attacks?
I'm kind of confused on the interactions
Like I understand there are dash-strike boons which I get
But then do all dash boons and attack boons affect dash-strikes?
gray haven
Dash-Strike boons affect only your Dash-Strikes (including Dash-Special on Malphon). Attack boons affect your Attacks and your Dash-Attacks.
Dash boons that aren't Hunter Dash affect all of your Dashes.
undone sky
Oh good so there's just that exception
gray haven
Yeah.
undone sky
Seems straightforward, cool
gray haven
Malphon hammers that say "Dash-Strike" only work on Dash-Attack, though.
undone sky
wait so, a dash strike can then double-proc a combination of effects?
gray haven
Double-proc?
undone sky
trigger twice I mean
gray haven
No, just once if you only do one dash.
Like, if you have Tidal Dash, you'll always make that wave around you when you dash—regardless of whether it's an empty dash or a dash-strike.
And if you do a Dash-Strike, you'll make that wave + your Dash-Strike gets any bonuses for Attack and Dash-Strike damage that you have.
undone sky
oh I meant like, if I had both the Zeus attack boon and Zeus dash boon, do both boons trigger when I dash-strike?
gray haven
Yes.
undone sky
Dang, that's... pretty neat.
gray haven
Yup.
And since Dash boons like Passion Dash or Tidal Dash have better pom scaling than your Attack boons if it's a % Attack, you'll usually put poms on your Dash in melee builds like that.
Rather than on your Attack.
Since you're hitting with both anyway, you're pomming the one that scales better with poms.
But... Divine Dash does no damage anyway, so you wouldn't put poms on that, of course.
Kind of giving up the damage potential for safety. Often worth it, though.
undone sky
And since Dash boons like Passion Dash or Tidal Dash have better pom scaling tha...
oh thanks! this really helps since im a chronic minmaxer lol
gray haven
I kinda noticed you appreciate more in-depth tips lol.
undone sky
is there a sort of cheat sheet for this stuff? like rarity aside, between the Dash and Attack versions of boons, which one scales better?
gray haven
Rule of thumb is high flat damage scales well, % boons don't scale that well.
undone sky
Rule of thumb is high flat damage scales well, % boons don't scale that well.
I understand this as, put poms on flat damage, and not on percents?
(for the most part)
gray haven
More or less. Depends on the build etc., of course.
undone sky
Gotcha
gray haven
But if the flat damage is low, like say Thunder Dash or Lightning Strike, poms don't really do much.
Hangover poms are always good.
undone sky
But if the flat damage is low, like say Thunder Dash or Lightning Strike, poms d...
so where do the poms go
on the passive boons?
gray haven
In the example of Lightning Strike and Thunder Dash?
undone sky
Yeah
gray haven
You'd look for Static Discharge and put a couple poms in that.
undone sky
I see I see, cool
gray haven
Heartbreak Strike and Flourish poms are always good, at least up to like Lv.5.
undone sky
Oh?
gray haven
Because she has the highest % base.
undone sky
Makes sense
gray haven
But poms on other boons can be better depending on what you have.
undone sky
No wonder the bow was just steamrolling everything
undone sky
But poms on other boons can be better depending on what you have.
Generally speaking is going out of my way for the Divine Dash a good idea?
gray haven
If you just want to get a win, yeah.
gray haven
Yeah. Shockwave-like attacks like the Skull-Crusher and spin attacks like Theseus's spin.
Although you can deflect the Skull-Crusher as it comes down, and it will make the shockwave harmless.
undone sky
Ooooh
gray haven
end boss spoiler: ||You can't deflect the spin, the shockwave, nor the beams. You can deflect everything else in the fight.||
undone sky
not sure if i should open that spoiler
will it matter if i got to the final boss' ||2nd phase|| already?
gray haven
If you got there, you can open it.
gray haven
I-frames are your friend, yeah.
undone sky
well, guess ill write some of this down then
thanks for the pointers!
i should really get around to beating it now
gray haven
You can get the timing down for everything with practice. I've done the fight plenty of times with one dash and 0 DDs.
So try to focus on learning the timing for things and learning the fight rather than blindly face-tanking.
That doesn't really work unless you have very high DPS.
Orr... very high HP and damage reduction.
undone sky
You can get the timing down for everything with practice. I've done the fight pl...
yeah the muscle memory is already kicking in
the final boss really just caught me off guard i guess
gray haven
Yeah, it's a hard fight.
Especially the first few times you get there, you're probably low on DDs and stuff, too.
undone sky
Unrelated but, for Theseus/Asturius, is it recommended to kill them at relatively the same time?
Like do they get buffed/enraged when one dies?
I swear this is my last question
gray haven
Yeah, they become enraged. But it's not too bad.
undone sky
Bad enough that it's better to kill them simultaneously?
gray haven
Pretty sure Asterius becomes enraged in phase 2 anyway? I'd have to check.
Nah, not that bad.
undone sky
Oh, alright then
gray haven
If you can kill them at the same time with no real problems, though, go for that.
undone sky
I'll keep that in mind
gray haven
I don't remember the last time I had any difficulty in that fight, I speedrun through the game, so m maybe not the best person to ask for what's the easiest way to kill them when you're pretty new lol.
I think most players generally start with focusing on Asterius first.
ember garnet
guys has a new floor been added yet? last i played was tartarus, asphodel, elysium, styx. has any new world been added?
gray haven
I actually think trying to hit both at the same time as much as you can can make the fight easier though, if your DPS is halfway decent, because they just die faster. And if they die faster, they have less opportunity to hit you.
gray haven
guys has a new floor been added yet? last i played was tartarus, asphodel, elysi...
(1) No, and the game is already finished, so there won't be any more biomes. (2) End boss is spoilers in this channel, please use spoiler tags.
undone sky
I actually think trying to hit both at the same time as much as you can can make...
yeah that's how I went for it previously, running circles around the arena, laying down the ares dashes for asteriskus then whacking theseus as i passed him
ember garnet
(1) No, and the game is already finished, so there won't be any more biomes. (2)...
sorry about that i removed it. thanks for the answer!
gray haven
Sure thing.
When Theseus phases, go all out on him rather than running away.
He doesn't have his shield up during the initial Call.
undone sky
Oh! I thought it was a visual bug
I kind of just assumed he was impervious during the call phase
undone sky
Right, thanks again! I'll try not to bother this channel for a while
gray haven
You're not bothering. That's what the channel is for.
opal maple
Just overconfident.
This is so on-brand for his character, I love it
gray haven
Yeah lol.
undone sky
random question, were Thanatos and Zagreus a thing story-wise?
oh nvm they're brothers
round thistle
V:
undone sky
wow that's some bromance vibes tho
gray haven
They're not brothers.
round thistle
brother by spirit, not by blood
maiden ruin
thats a spoiler in this channel
you wont get the bounties for tartarus, asphodel, or elysium, but you will get the bounty for styx
jovial zealot
reef dirge
how do i get more titan blood? i got 2 already but have no idea how to get more
maiden ruin
You can get titan blood from killing the first and last boss
And you can trade for it and do prophecies for it
reef dirge
yea, i got 1 from first boss and 2nd by trading for the 3rd boss reward
dark carbon
Tartarus boss and Styx give it.
It's tradable in the Lounge.
||Once you unlock Pact of Punishment, you can get more||
You can occasionally buy one from the Temple of Styx, but uh, that's pricy
maiden ruin
||the pact of punishment is a spoiler in this channel||
dark carbon
Ooh.
reef dirge
ive only made it to styx once
reef dirge
kk, thanks
mighty pelican
How do you get time under ten minutes?
The best I got was 16 with the shield of chaos
leaden whale
How do you get time under ten minutes?
Just keep playing tbh
If you’re doing IGT pause whenever you have to make a decision and go through doors as fast as possible
If you want to learn speedrunning i suggest joining the speedrunning server
leaden whale
@reef dirge to clarify, you only get titan blood for the first kill of a given boss of an act for the FIRST kill you have on a given ||heat||
there are other ways of obtaining them but those may be past where you're at so i won't even put them in spoiler tags
warm marten
ricochet fire or triple bomb for le gun?
sand river
ricochet fire is nice but triple bomb and cluster bomb are killer
sand river
good luck!
sand river
the shield was my last weapon but gun is prob the one i play least after that.. if i get a good build going i enjoy it a lot but before that point i just don't have as much fun with it
warm marten
i have a pretty bad build going on rn
a lot of low level boons
but i have 2 duos and a legendary lmao
grave storm
Zeus attack is all you need for gun
warm marten
i beat it without dying once pog
grave storm
Anything tbh
slow ferry
Oh also we're not supposed to talk about ||heat|| here
grave storm
||do high security Once to get the prophecy done with||
warm marten
oh shoot mb i didn't know where
grave storm
we could pop to builds and combat but really just try em all individually
gray haven
Please spoiler-tag that.
warm marten
Please spoiler-tag that. <:courte5AphroHeart:851568347346894908> <:courte5DusaBo...
i couldn't figure out how to spoiler it so i just deleted it lmao
noble mist
"\ | \ | spoiler \ | \ |"
chilly briar
||heat|| is a spoiler in this channel
dusty vault
spoiler mark ||heat|| and the name of the final boss
he doesnt really get harder tho, the most i think ||is a more annoying summon||
chilly briar
also the name of the final boss
wide swan
Sorry!
undone sky
i bought it cos the guy in the trailer looked hot
grave storm
welcome enjoy your stay
sand river
howdy welcome have fun
leaden whale
roger
grave cloak
You need 24 keys
leaden whale
played about 20 mins got thru the intro stuff
gunna take a break til tomm
unlocked the bow
grave cloak
Good
true rock
What is Hestia?
grave storm
Assuming you mean gameplay-wise, it's one of the variants of the 6th weapon
Lore-wise she's the sister of Zeus' wife
leaden whale
and also zeus' sister lmfao
true rock
Aaaaaah, Thanks mate!
grave storm
and also zeus' sister lmfao
Yeah the game lore cut out the 3 sisters from the 3 brothers lol
undone sky
am on hell mode, what's better to get first in the long run? nectar, vintage or chthonic keys, fated?
grave storm
People usually recommend keys because it lets you reroll skills (swap the last mirror skill to fated Persuation)
undone sky
ooh yea sounds good thanks!
gray haven
am on hell mode, what's better to get first in the long run? nectar, vintage or ...
Vintage Nectar, actually. Nectar is more valuable than Chthonic Keys.
And you're still gathering resources now.
You'll run out of use for Keys much sooner than you run out of use for Nectar.
If you take Fated Keys first, you're tempted to take more Chthonic Key chambers... but you'll have like no use for the Keys.
undone sky
You'll run out of use for Keys much sooner than you run out of use for Nectar.
Ah, good point,
No worries! Just finished farming up for the nectar anyhow
reef dirge
what can i use keys for after i have all the upgrades on the mirror thing?
sand river
you can trade up to get the other currencies lol. eventually you get some cosmetic stuff with them. i think that's it after the weapons and mirror?
reef dirge
oh k, thanks, i thought they were useless now
gray haven
Yeah, just trade them up.
And you can reset your mirror for 1 Key. That's great for when you want to swap some things around and haven't fully maxed both sides of the mirror yet... which is definitely gonna take awhile.
Sometimes you can trade in 15 Keys for 1 Titan Blood at the Wretched Broker, so make sure you keep some Keys on hand for that.
sterile solar
i bought it cos the guy in the trailer looked hot
Every single character in this game is hot
jovial notch
Every single character in this game is hot
yes
jovial notch
Sometimes you can trade in 15 Keys for 1 Titan Blood at the Wretched Broker, so ...
or gems, because you can trade gems for keys
you need, like, a lot, of nectar
undone sky
other than deepening relationships, is ambrosia just good for swapping for titan blood?
jovial notch
no, you need it to get||companions||
undone sky
Not gonna open the spoiler so like
Are you saying I shouldn't be converting all my ambrosia into titan blood?
grave storm
yeah
undone sky
Is it necessary to finish the game?
grave storm
Depends on what you mean by finish
undone sky
Idk is any non-story content locked behind a payment of ambrosia? Aside from maximizing character relationships?
grave storm
there's gameplay stuff locked behind ambrosia, yes
undone sky
Dang, okay
grave storm
And some story content is also ambrosia locked
slow ferry
takes a while before you get there...
undone sky
Yeah I don't really care about the story content
grave storm
But you do get a lot of them as you play the game so no harm spending a couple here and there
undone sky
So how much ambrosia should I set aside?
grave storm
purely for gameplay, 5
grave storm
even if you overspend, you can use the broker to patch up whatever you're short on
undone sky
Yeah, that's the plan!
gray haven
*or gems, because you can trade gems for keys*
Don't trade in Gemstones for Chthonic Keys. That's a scam. 
chilly briar
the biggest scam is that you can buy 1 blood for 1 ambrosia regularly but there is a special offer where you can buy 1 ambrosia for 2 blood
grave storm
Guess I'll start racking them up lol
AA actually I goofed, you need a lot more than that, but when you get to the point when they're needed, the game would've given you enough of them to go around.
faint umbra
So how much ambrosia should I set aside?
You need 60 ambrosia purely for gameplay
cunning aspen
can someone clarify something for me please? for the dark reflections prophecy i just have to beat hades right or does it have to be ranked from pact of punishment?
slow ferry
the ||pact|| is spoilers in this channel
undone sky
You need 60 ambrosia purely for gameplay
slow ferry
you'll get there, lmao
spiral pecan
Just buy it. Ez
undone sky
Just how much of the game opens up after escaping the first time?
undone sky
Oh. Okay.
muted latch
escaping the first time is kinda like the end of an extended tutorial
many, many more systems open after that
undone sky
Oh? There's more after hell mode?
muted latch
hell mode is separate
undone sky
I started my first playthrough on hell mode, is there more systems after escaping?
muted latch
hell mode is just an additional modifier that makes the game a bit harder overall (moreso in early game), it has no impact on the game's overall progression and story otherwise
faint umbra
hell mode unlocks those systems from the beginning
undone sky
Oh lol okay that's neat
muted latch
the game is almost entirely the same on hell mode or not
same story, largely same progression path aside from you get access to ||pact of punishment the endgame difficulty system|| from the get go
undone sky
Wait so what exactly is the early game
muted latch
before you get a decent amount of weapon aspect upgrades and mirror talents
the extra difficulty introduced by hell mode eases off a lot once you get a lot of upgrades
jovial notch
Don't trade in Gemstones for Chthonic Keys. That's a scam. <:squirtooh:456913427...
Imagine wanting cosmetics 🤮
jovial notch
Don't trade in Gemstones for Chthonic Keys. That's a scam. <:squirtooh:456913427...
also If I hadn't figured out I could do that I'd still be farming 30 keys at a rate of 2 keys per run to finish the mirror
dim quiver
Don't trade in Gemstones for Chthonic Keys. That's a scam. <:squirtooh:456913427...
it is?
gray haven
Keys are the first resource you run out of any use for.
But you'll be needing Gemstones for a very long time to get everything.
leaden whale
How do I get the 4th version of weapons
through dialogue with various characters
i don't really remember which characters, but i'm sure someone here will :p
pastel cipher
check the pinned messages in #h1-story-discussion, there's a guide there on how to unlock 4th aspects 
@leaden whale
leaden whale
hah i knew there was a pin for that somewhere
undone sky
Is there a keepsake locked behind the final boss?
I've got all of them save for the fourth one in the third row
gray haven
Yes.
grave storm
it's locked behind quite a chunk of gameplay, you'll get it in time.
white bough
hey guys after i go through the gate in cerebeus i go to the surface right?
i thought there would be like 7 floors like in the mythology, but still good game
slow ferry
i think you're mixing up your mythologies
grave storm
at least it's not 18 regions like in Chinese mythology
knotty rune
more floors would be very cool
or if certain floors were randomly selected from a pool so its still the same run length
gray haven
It makes up for it with thousands of lines of voiced dialogue, a lovable cast, heartwarming story, amazing art and animations, incredibly polished and balanced gameplay, an amazing soundtrack...
M quite sure there's no aspect of Hades that hasn't won an award, at this point.
And well deserved, too.
All of the enemy types are very distinct, too. There are a lot of games with more enemy types that are really just the same types in a different skin.
I haven't seen one message from you that wasn't trashing the game in some way.
It's all you're doing.
spiral pecan
And you keep replying to it
gray haven
They've won numerous awards with the game. m sure they're quite happy with it.
gray haven
And you keep replying to it
I replied one time lol.
Sounds like it just might not be the game for you.
"Poor controls" is a very subjective statement. I don't know anyone who'd agree with that.
That's not an objective fact, though. That's your opinion. Which is fine. But don't try to make it out to be something objective when it's not.
spiral pecan
I need to try it out on controller.
gray haven
I've no problem with the dashing in this game. Perhaps you just require more practice.
gray haven
And yet most top players play on pad over KBM. It doesn't matter very much, at the end of the day.
spiral pecan
Yeah, that's pretty weird if what you're saying is true
spiral pecan
Is there really no mod for using the right analog stick?
gray haven
That's entirely irrevelant. horheristo is a great player. That doesn't make KBM objectively better just because he chooses to play on it.
Horheristo's not the best Hades player in the world lol.
spiral pecan
Unlucky I guess. Do you not have a keyboard and mouse?
gray haven
I know all the top Hades players.
sudden steppe
Having to use the right stick to aim can work but it’s just not gonna be “natural”, for lack of a better word
spiral pecan
Ah. Have you tried using the keyboard and mouse?
sudden steppe
Because most of our actions are mapped to the face buttons as well
spiral pecan
You can change keybindings tho
gray haven
You genuinely don't know anything at all about competitive Hades.
sudden steppe
By default, actions are bound to the face buttons
The controls conforms to the usual button layouts of most action games
spiral pecan
Have you asked the modders if they can work on getting the analog to aim?
undone sky
You can use steam's controller configuration to map right stick to attack + dpad
I did that for mine and now my hades is twin-stick
sudden steppe
Those games are also slower or more focused on ranged combat too
undone sky
Not necessarily, because of how the steam config works it will execute attack and face
undone sky
^
No
I'm saying keep left stick as is
Bind right stick to dpad but additionally add your Attack button using the multi-button function
And change right stick input using the steam config to read input from right stick as dpad w/ 8-way overlap
sudden steppe
I think this is better discussed in #h1-discussion , wanna move?
undone sky
Ensure that it's Attack, dpad direction and not dpad direction, Attack
I'm assuming you still have Attack bound to a separate button
And no, it doesn't because of how fast steam executes the function
It's not slow enough that you move then attack
And because many regular Attacks in hades are stationary without recoil/thrusts
It kinda just functions as Aim+Attack
(it also lets you Dash Strike a lot more consistently)
Again this works because hades treats L-Stick and Dpad as two different movement inputs
So in effect, it overrides movement
spiral pecan
Nice. I'll have to let the boys know about this
undone sky
Lemme just bring up my config lmao
old escarp
This isn't the channel for in-depth discussions on control schemes, #h1-builds-and-combat is probably the best fit
undone sky
Aye gotcha I'mma post it there anyway
old escarp
It's done in this channel
ocean basalt
I kind of suspect you're trolling, but I'm just going to roll through with a bright smile and say, I don't know about action games, but loads of people play Supergiant Games for the story. Because they craft damn good stories. 💕
Have a lovely day! 😁
undone sky
This isn't the channel for in-depth discussions on control schemes, <#5206884029...
Where might I post a picture of my controller config since image perms aren't enabled in #h1-builds-and-combat ?
old escarp
Upload it somewhere and post a link
old escarp
mighty pelican
how do you get legendary boons?
i only got a single one from Poseidon and that was huge catch
and i beat the game once
gray haven
You need at least 2 out of a number of boons from the god, typically. Usually one core boon and one tier 2 boon.
mighty pelican
whats a core boon?
gray haven
Attack, Special, Cast, Dash, Call.
mighty pelican
and one rare boon?
gray haven
No. Tier 2 as in boons that have prerequisite boons.
Tier 1 boons are boons you can get immediately. Tier 2 means you need to have certain boons first for them to show up.
For example, Heartbreak Strike is a tier 1 boon.
Empty Inside, Breaking Resolve, and Sweet Surrender... those are tier 2 boons. They affect enemies that are Weak.
So you need a boon that applies Weak first before she can offer those three.
gray haven
And if you have a tier 1 that applies Weak (not counting Wave of Despair) + one of those tier 2 boons from her, you have a chance to get her legendary boon.
mighty pelican
ok
gray haven
You can get an upgrade for the Codex that shows you the gods' boon lists and requirements for each boon. If you have that already, you can take a look at that.
mighty pelican
i saw one from athena that looked really op, it was called divine protection i think
mighty pelican
You can get an upgrade for the Codex that shows you the gods' boon lists and req...
yeah ok thanks
gray haven
Yeah, that's her legendary.
mighty pelican
does every god have 1 legendary?
gray haven
Poseidon has two. Lord Hermes has two different legendaries depending on whether you're using Infernal Soul or Stygian Soul.
mighty pelican
ok thanks
magic ferry
Does anyone know if Than’s butterfly has a damage cap? Mine’s stuck at +24%
maiden ruin
It doesn't have a cap
magic ferry
Weird, it’s not giving me more damage past Elysium
maiden ruin
The butterfly doesn't work in the small rooms in styx
It works in the big rooms at the end of each tunnel
magic ferry
Oh cool, thanks!
maiden ruin
Np
proven pivot
styx is weird like that
sly vigil
and yet it gives you +10 gold for every chamber on Side Hustle
and it also counts for Persephone Pom
Styx is weird
grave storm
Counts for rare crop too
undone sluice
Rare crop pre Styx op
Bosses are like mewling kitten before frosty goddess' scorn
Plume also triggers in only some rooms in Styx I've noticed
faint umbra
only the last room of every tunnel
also, please spoiler tag ||the final boss' name||, its a spoiler in this channel @undone sluice
reef dirge
any tips on beating final boss? i barely get him to his 2nd stage before dying
undone sluice
also, please spoiler tag ||the final boss' name||, its a spoiler in this channel...
That's fair, thankyou I'm sorry
undone sluice
any tips on beating final boss? i barely get him to his 2nd stage before dying
Athena dodge, Artemis cast
Stay back from his circle it's hard to dodge
Prioritise surviving and whittling him down
reef dirge
problem is i have to get close to do damage but the circle has such a big range i cant dodge it
undone sluice
Get a couple of hermes boosts
Epic haste or epic dash are very good
Poseidon run has op damage too
maiden ruin
Learn the attack patterns and use empty dodges instead of dash strikes, dash strikes don't have iframes
undone sluice
I found shield was best for melting him
reef dirge
is there some way to increase my odds of finding those?
dim quiver
well you get 2 unless you expressly avoid them
dim quiver
yup
undone sluice
Dip and poseidon
dim quiver
that one
undone sluice
Dio
Go a hard poseidon build
Take the dio call
Maybe Athena dodge for more survival
Shield or fists for high dps
Getting double strike on the shield with deflect or typhoon strike is op
Rupture
maiden ruin
All weapons have high dps, just use the one you like
dim quiver
multiple people are typing
reef dirge
by poseidon build do you mean get his stuff whenever i can or is there something more to it?
undone sluice
Or her/they
Yeah like
Poseidon dash, cast and attack can all synergise really well with each other and other gods
Op damage op crowd control
If you get rupture and like Doom from Ares or weak from Aphrodite you're set
Prioritise buff rooms over everything else, save money for Styx because those buffs and poms are op compared to the other parts of the game
reef dirge
what are buff rooms?
undone sluice
So I consider buff rooms to be hammers, God rooms, poms and then it depends what upgrades you've unlocked at the contracted
reef dirge
oh k
maiden ruin
Golden laurel rooms
undone sluice
Everything else leads to more buffs like darkness is a permanent upgrade but gold is a semi tangible asset
maiden ruin
Use dark foresight to get more of them
undone sluice
Yee
reef dirge
whats that? is that one of those mirror upgrades?
maiden ruin
Yeah
undone sluice
It's the flipside of higher chance of rare boons
reef dirge
oh k thanks
thick bane
Just started playing and found it funny that it took me like 6 tries to beat Meg but I beat the Hydra on my first try
Having a blast btw, sad I didn't start playing earlier.
slow ferry
hehe yeah, sometimes you just breeze past the bone boy
wooden shard
Ive really been enjoying Hades and I just recently unlocked all the infernal arms and I was wondering is there a limited amount of titans blood? Since you get it for beating Meg with each weapon are there only 6 available or can I get more?
dusty vault
you get more methods after beating the final boss, there is the house contractor too (it sometimes has a deal of 15 keys for 1 titan blood)
wooden shard
ok good
cloud briar
does crit apply to each individual arrow for aspect of chiron?
slow ferry
Yep crits are for individual bits of dmg
cloud briar
so each arrow in the special for aspect of chiron has independent chance of crit?
heady comet
yes
undone sky
Can the anvil of fates grant you the same weapon upgrade it removed?
Or is it removed from the pool before the two new upgrades are chosen?
gray haven
Can the anvil of fates grant you the same weapon upgrade it removed?
Or is it ...
It's removed from the pool.
wise zinc
gonna try tempest flourish on chiron
reef dirge
im at a door rn that has the poseidon icon with a skull under it, ive seen the skull under those god icons quite often but idk what they mean
wise zinc
im at a door rn that has the poseidon icon with a skull under it, ive seen the s...
it means it is a mini boss
so the encounter will be more difficult but the boons will be of a higher rarity
reef dirge
oh k thanks
wise zinc
np
gray haven
gonna try tempest flourish on chiron
It's really really good. Shoot for Sea Storm.
Electric Shot to unlock Sea Storm, typically.
wise zinc
Figured that much
Electric shot is good
but I might go thunder dash if offered
cuz double strike applies to sea storm I think
wise zinc
Electric Shot to unlock Sea Storm, typically.
I'm assuming because zeus offers less boons?
gray haven
No, just because you don't want his Attack or Dash, really.
Zeus' Aid is good for unlocking it, too.
Duo chance is rolled before any t2 boons or whatever, anyway, so how many t2 boons are in the pool doesn't have any effect on that.
gray haven
You just want to try avoiding unlocking other Duo Boons from those two.
Unless they're equally good.
reef dirge
just escaped for the first time
gray haven
Why are you posting in the new player channel, anyway? Move that to #h1-builds-and-combat.
wise zinc
we were talking bout it here and I forgot what channel this was
gray haven
And remove the screenshot here.
gray haven
just escaped for the first time
Congratulations!
chilly briar
yes i had a major contribution in your victory
gray haven
I probably helped at least half the people who helped you, before, so I'll take some credit. 
'Twas a culmination of years of community efforts.
All come together to grant your triumphant victory.
reef dirge
yea, i dont think i wouldve beaten the final boss yet without the help
gray haven
yea, i dont think i wouldve beaten the final boss yet without the help
Just keep in mind that pronouns for the final boss are also a spoiler.
reef dirge
oh k sorry
chilly briar
the most between the lines stuff
brittle trench
It can be, but you're taking a gamble
storm basin
Yeah i assumed so
I'm building things to complement a specific hammer
If the thing changes then my stuff can be useless
brittle trench
For instance, if you're using Stygius and have Cursed Slash, many times you would create your build around that upgrade and the Anvil would ruin it, but if you have an upgrade that you barely find effective, then it wouldn't always be a bad idea
But you also have to make sure you understand all of the upgrades for that weapon and weigh the risk
brittle trench
If the thing changes then my stuff can be useless
Yeah exactly
safe niche
yea i would only take hammer if im not building around any of my current hammers
undone sky
It's removed from the pool.
Thanks! Found out the hard way but still managed to eek out a win after my bow's flurry shot got replaced by sniper + exploding lmao
and yes, I picked up aphro boons
gray haven
Is the anvil of fates worth it?
I use it relatively frequently to replace hammers that are good for room clearing with hammers that are better for whatever mystery awaits you after that biome, or when I know my hammers aren't great and I can get way better ones.
But it can be near impossible to gauge the expected value of the Anvil if you don't know all of the hammers for the aspect you're using very well.
What I would suggest is if you're comfortable with the hammer upgrades you have now, don't buy it.
And if something about your hammers is bothering you or you just don't think your hammers are helping you a lot, buy it.
Because then the chances that you'll get something better are very good.
But even then... gauging it against other options in the shop can be difficult. So... if you think that about the hammers you have and you don't really know what you would be going for with the boons and stuff that are on offer, then definitely get the Anvil.
At least you'll have some idea of what you're getting from the Anvil, which is probably something better than what you have.
There are also certain hammers that if you have them already, you never want to take the Anvil because there's a 50% chance that you'll lose something amazing.
For bow, for example, that would be Flurry, Twin, and Triple Shot. If you have any one out of those, don't buy the Anvil. Because those are the best hammers, so you don't want to lose them. But if you don't have at least one of them, the Anvil is a great choice because you have good chance to get at least one of them.
Buuuut if you have the Aspect of Chiron of the bow, then Special hammers can be amazing, too, so you don't necessarily want to get the Anvil just for that and lose some amazing Special hammer.
Which brings me back to my original point that without an understanding of the hammers for each aspect and understanding of what build you're using, it can be near impossible to gauge. That's why it can feel so much like gambling.
narrow rapids
gdi lmao
snow lava
can someone tell me what godmode does ?
like if i enable it do i miss out on loot/achievements or ?
sand river
you won't miss out on anything. it makes it so that when you die more, the game gets easier (someone else will have to note which specific things change, i am not sure on that)
it doesn't sacrifice other parts of the game
maiden ruin
You start with 20% damage resistance and gain 2% damage resistance every death
And it caps at 80%
snow lava
so there is no downside
maiden ruin
No
maiden ruin
Np
maiden ruin
what do i need to unlock lucifer aspect
Hidden aspects are spoilers in this channel
Check the pinned messages in #h1-story-discussion
snow lava
okay
maiden ruin
To unlock the hidden aspects
snow lava
thnx
split kraken
If i buy the "vanqishers keep" in the house contractor store, will i receive darkness + gemstones after beating a boss?
Or will the darkness be replaced with a gemstone reward?
storm basin
You'll get both
split kraken
Thx
true ridge
that's pretty handy stuffs
heady rivet
Should I shotgun the bow when I get triple shot?
slow ferry
Depends on the rest of your kit I guess, but generally that's a very strong strategy
distant falcon
Should I play this with controller or keyboard?
wheat isle
personally I prefer controller, but I think it's mostly up to preference
sand river
the game recommends controller but yeah you can be good with either
heady rivet
Is it possible to get sack in the first gate?
wanton crest
Nope
gray haven
Will it run better in 32 bit?
Unless you run into any graphics performance issues, just start the game in DirectX 64bit. The first option.
cloud briar
@distant falcon I didn't really notice any different in 32bit. I got crashing in DirectX and terrible performance in Vulkan so that's why I did
distant falcon
ah thank you
muted latch
performance shouldnt be any different in 32 or 64bit
burnt dirge
can someone give me some advice on defeating ||lord hades||? because this is like the 20th time i've lost to him
spiral pecan
@burnt dirge At that point, watch a video to see how to maneuver yourself in the fight. Make sure you're actually understanding what you're taking damage to.
sterile solar
What Johan said, my biggest advice and this applies to any video game boss (or enemy for that matter) go into the fight and completely forget about attacking.
Spend 1 or 2 mins just dodging
Learn the patterns, whats the dodge window
Most enemies in most games, have animations that will let you know what attack they are about to do ||Hades|| certainly does
Is very hard to notice those things when you're attacking, especially if you're struggling
thick lance
What does Bouldys Ambiguity Bonus do?
slow ferry
¯_(ツ)_/¯
sterile solar
Nothing
sly vigil
can someone give me some advice on defeating ||lord hades||? because this is lik...
Have you tried using the Evergreen Acorn keepsake for that fight?
spiral pecan
Honestly, if he's asking for help for the fight, the acorn probably isn't going to help.
muted latch
still a hefty boost to eHP
slow ferry
Acorn can make or break a boss fight, especially if you're not very used to the fight yet
spiral pecan
Oh, I thought it was for bosses. It works before you get to the boss?
gray haven
It's for bosses.
gray haven
It's the best tank keepsake for bosses. If it wasn't, it would just be entirely useless.
Since tanking in boss fights is literally all it does.
spiral pecan
I guese I just dont understand why it's especially good in Styx
gray haven
Because that's the boss that hits the hardest.
spiral pecan
Ah that's what you mean. That makes sense then.
muted latch
Acorn at max rank pretty much gives you 200+ effective HP vs them, if not more
gray haven
The most consistent strategy for new players I've found by coaching quite a few of them through entire runs on Twitch was just getting like 1-2 boons for decent damage and then stacking eHP + Divine Dash.
gray haven
Acorn at max rank pretty much gives you 200+ effective HP vs them, if not more
Pronouns for the boss are basically spoilers, too.
muted latch
spiral pecan
He won't mind. 
undone sky
Is there an audio or visual indicator for when acorn charges trigger?
I faintly recall bringing it with me to spoiler boss, and winning hitless but I don't think I can recall if I ended up even using it because of my familiarity with the spoiler boss' fight
dusty vault
Is there an audio or visual indicator for when acorn charges trigger?
zag mentions when the charges runs out, some text appears everytime a charge is used, and you can see the numbers below the keepsake
dusty vault
there it is? cant hear anything with the ost going crazy 
undone sky
on second thought maybe i just ended up never bringing it with me to spoiler boss
grave storm
yeah it's a bit like the sound when you equip it from the cabinet
gray haven
Everyone always asks how do I beat spoiler boss. No one ever asks how is spoiler boss.
opal maple
like someone singing
Exactly, there's a little snippet of Eurydice's singing every time you get hit while the shield is up
unreal pilot
Hey guys, i'm trying to snipe "Rip Current" to finish Poseidon's boons quest of the Fated List, so i'm starting every run with Poseidon's thingy, hoping that his starting boon gives me "Poseidon's Aid", which is the prerequisite of "Rip Current".
Must have been 25 runs or so and still no "Poseidon's Aid" in Tartarus, while i find it pretty commonly in Asphodel, Elysium or Styx. Are there prerequisites to "Poseidon's Aid" that i'm not aware of?
unreal pilot
ahhh damn, he must be hating me right now
grave storm
I don't think you can get a call as your first boon, besides the first run Poseidon appears
leaden whale
how much of the mirror do you have unlocked?
leaden whale
ah so you have ||fated persuasion, the reroll ability|| (not sure if this counts as a spoiler here)
unreal pilot
i have that unlocked, i just have to buy it now, i'm broke out here
that's a good point tho, didn't think about using that
leaden whale
yes that should make your life easier
i'd also not take poseidon's keepsake from the start and hope he appears naturally in tartarus and then when you have his aid take the keepsake in asphodel or elysium to force him to appear again
unreal pilot
that's something that's been on my mind: i could swear that equipping one of the "the next boon you find is of this god" mid run has failed me sometimes
do things like hermes and hammer take priority over that?
i think hermes always nullifies whatever keepsake i equip mid run, but i might be just missremembering now
leaden whale
something else to keep in mind is that if you fill your core boons (attack, special, cast and dash) with other gods first, because those take priority when the game decides what boons to offer you, you will have a higher chance to get call from poseidon later
unreal pilot
that's great to know, thanks
proven pivot
do things like hermes and hammer take priority over that?
IIRC it just needs to roll a standard god boon and whenever it does that it'll replace it with Poseidon
leaden whale
hermes does say he was quicker than whatever god's keepsake you have equipped, but they should still appear later
proven pivot
Yeah it doesn't use up the keepsake if Hermes appears, dw
unreal pilot
oh great
sand river
yeah hermes doesn't count as a "first god" in the same sense as the others, his keepsake doesn't summon him like it does for the rest, he just comes in when he wants to
unreal pilot
gotcha, thanks
proven pivot
Hermes and Chaos are just like "We do what we want, you cannot summon us"
unreal pilot
True sigma mentality there
gray haven
@unreal pilot while you have no Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash, any boon you pick up will offer you three boons out of those four. Your only way to get the call if that happens is to reroll with Persuasion, and the odds aren't great.
unreal pilot
something else to keep in mind is that if you fill your core boons (attack, spec...
hey another question about this. you mentioned filling the core slots with boons from "other gods". does anything change if i fill those with poseidon boons?
like: having a certain god's boons influences the % of finding that same god again in any way?
unreal pilot
<@245530762038738944> while you have no Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash, any boo...
gotcha, thanks
gray haven
Your best bet is to start with another god's keepsake and hope for a natural Poseidon in Tartarus or take the Conch Shell in Asphodel.
Then roll for Call.
unreal pilot
that's what i did this run, got Poseidon's aid in the first layer, and the next time i found poseidon i got a Duo boon 🥲
i got a goddamn duo boon instead of the common boon i'm looking for
gray haven
And avoid picking up any core boons from him that aren't his Call because they open up a lot of t2 boons from him, which makes it harder to get the Call...
unreal pilot
damn i didn't know that
thanks
hold up, poseidon in shop, pray for me
another duo boon
i'm gonna lose it
ANOTHER POSEIDON BOON IN THE NEXT CHAMBER
edit: still nothing
gray haven
(1) If all priority slots (i.e., Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash) are empty, fill all three slots with priority boons,
(2) if an exchange is possible, 10% chance to add an exchange to one free slot,
(3) if 2 fails and there are free priority slots, add one priority boon to one slot,
(4) 50% chance to add a tier 2 status curse (i.e., Jolted, Marked, Rupture, or Exposed) to one slot if boon requirements are met,
(5) roll for legendary/duo for each remaining slot,
(6) roll for epic for each remaining slot,
(7) roll for rare for each remaining slot,
(8) fill all remaining slots with common,
(9) fill all remaining slots with whatever is available.
That's how the game rolls for what boons to offer you when you pick up a boon.
unreal pilot
I understand
thanks for the info
where would i find this kind of info? did i miss it on the forum online?
gray haven
So once you have the Call, taking Razor Shoals and any Duo Boons that are offered + filling priority boon slots with boons that don't open more Duo Boons + avoiding t2 boons that open up Poseidon's legendary will give you the best chances of finding Razor Shoals.
Well.
From me. Haven't posted it on any forum. Just here and in the speedrun server.
Don't know of anyone else who compiled it like that.
unreal pilot
super interesting
hey great work, congrats
i always wondered, are info like that obtained from datamining the game?
chilly briar
hacking into the code
gray haven
It's not hacking lol you can literally just open game files in notepad and see everything. No encryption.
leaden whale
a gigabyte of RAM should do the trick..
unreal pilot
good quote
chilly briar
It's not hacking lol you can literally just open game files in notepad and see e...
cap
gray haven
I know the 10% odds for exchanges from somebody who looked at the files, but the rest is just from research in game, but I verified it much later in the game's scripts.. as much as I understood of it, anyway.
Ultimately, in-game evidence trumps anything you think you found through datamining.
If it works in the game, it doesn't matter what you think the scripts say.
unreal pilot
But how could you infer the step-by-step process the game takes, just from in-game evidence?
(in-game evidence means litterally just playing the game right? 'cause it would take too much to use statistical inference to deduce all of that)
chilly briar
playing the game for a million years
unreal pilot
yeah
chilly briar
this is just like mechanics tho
unreal pilot
what's that?
gray haven
Keeping track and trial and error, yeah.
gray haven
Start with observation and then do some experiments to test your hypotheses.
There were plenty of placeholder sprites in Early Access.
chilly briar
wow skelly looked different in early access
where did you find the image
or wherever you saw it
narrow rapids
i'm watching this: https://youtu.be/y0VH6G22H6M?list=WL
chilly briar
everything looks so different
narrow rapids
yeah
narrow rapids
this man cannot make a single decision on his own lol
asking chat about everything
gray haven
Maybe it's just more fun for him that way. If you watch Hades streams often, chat loves to have their opinions heard.
grave storm
Nyx's old sprite is a mood
grave storm
I like dad's old...bracelet? forearm-guard? more than his current one. but might just because I've seen that so much more
unreal pilot
hey @chilly briar what's your profile pic from?
chilly briar
some random manga I was reading lol and it invoked my inner edge
unreal pilot
do you remember its name?
narrow rapids
seeing someone call hades dad is hilarious to me
ik he's zag's dad but you know what i mean
lmao imagine if the game were just called dad
grave storm
LOL
chilly briar
do you remember its name?
Makai Kaeri no Rettou Nouryokusha
it's completely garbage
unreal pilot
ahh then nevermind ahahah
hey guys, i've bought the Court Musician's Sentence and now Mr. Orpheus is gone, and i'd like to give him one last bit of nectar. now he's gone : C
I thought i'd find him near Eurydice during a run, but i don't think i've seen him there
what's up with that?
violet meteor
hey guys, i've bought the Court Musician's Sentence and now Mr. Orpheus is gone,...
he comes and goes
unreal pilot
gotcha, thanks
violet meteor
oh wait court musician one
unreal pilot
yeah
violet meteor
im pretty sure that's just letting him chill in the house
singers gamble is the one that lets him visit eurydice
unreal pilot
i'm not seeing him around the house
violet meteor
are you sure you bought court musician and not singer's gamble ?
unreal pilot
yeah, i'm watching it right now in the completed work orders list
"sealed document: free Orpheus from solitary confinement"
violet meteor
well, that's odd
unreal pilot
is this the right one? the description seems like the thing i have bought to unlock orpheus, at the very start
violet meteor
it is
unreal pilot
but the wiki says "After finding the document in the Admin Chamber, speak to the House Contractor to purchase the Court Musician's Sentence for 3 diamonds"
which makes me think that it's the "end of quest" item, instead of the "unlock orpheus" item
btw singer's gamble is something i could buy to make orpheus meet with eurydice, if i buy that will i be able to meet him during the runs, in eurydice's chamber?
violet meteor
yes
unreal pilot
if so, that would solve the issue
nice
i'll just do that then
thanks for the info
violet meteor
so you have to wait for Orpheus to get home
unreal pilot
i'll do that then
violet meteor
once you've done singer's gamble as i believe it's required to unlock his final heart
unreal pilot
👌
burnt dirge
what's the best aspect? (besides the hidden aspects since i haven't unlocked them yet)
for each weapon
maiden ruin
Nemesis, achilles, zeus, hera, demeter, and eris
heady rivet
Yeah I’d agree
Personally I think the only weapon that has the best aspect as the hidden one is shield
grave storm
||Rama is fun too||
pastel cipher
@grave storm please spoiler tag 4th aspects, they're spoilers in this channel
grave storm
oh woops
burnt dirge
aspect of zeus is really nice because i can still fight with my shield while it's thrown
heady rivet
Hera is great because you don’t need to invests much blood
Even the lowest level is good if you can get Hermes fast drop
A lot of aspects suck if you don’t invest much
So if you want to have a proper trial it kinda sucks
unreal pilot
hey guys, does ||hades always have 2 phases? i thought i had seen someone fighting him with 3 phases, but i just beat him for my first time after the second hp bar||
unreal pilot
gotcha, thanks
mossy creek
||i just escaped for the first time. what heat do you think i should start on?||
noble mist
||i just escaped for the first time. what heat do you think i should start on?||
Starting out it doesn't really matter, ||What I did was just try it on like 1-3 then turn it up a bit after each succsessful run||
mossy creek
ok, thanks
narrow rapids
when meg says "to hell with you" like
👁️ 👄 👁️ i thought we were already there
grave storm
lmao imagine if the game were just called dad
ironically I don't even call my own dad dad (or Father) I literally call him Sir/mister
elfin bone
First run with a plushie adventures:
||I get three uses - I better save one for dealing with dAd.
-Gets to surface. Hits button for assist-
“The player feels a moment of utter disappointment as they realize that help is not in fact on the way.”||
chilly briar
sad af
grave storm
on the other hand:
||not interested in romance options and prioritized other people||
||gets too used to fighting dad without companions||
||when dad says oh yeah you can use companions on me now, react with "huh???"||
||frequently wins and then realizes OH WAIT I didn't use that charge I saved...||
leaden whale
hi 😄 just finished my second run of hades
grave storm
hi
leaden whale
how is the best way to use the bow?