my point is saying that because you can make increasing progress
I don't think it is possible to be rage inducing
even if it was 50x harder
idfk
#h1-for-new-players
long moss
lunar orchid
that sounds like it can only be a good thing to me
how does this connect to you saying the other modes are too easy, exactly
long moss
this is me saying I don't see why the different difficulties exist
lunar orchid
because different people want different levels of challenge??? how is this not clear
sleek axle
It exists for other people
Just because you don't use it doesn't mean other people don't
Can you not comprehend other people maybe not being very good at the game and therefore want to make it easier for themselves
Are you really that self centered
long moss
then again I tried DS3 with calamity ring and I hated it
it made me give up pretty quick
BTW THIS ISN'T ME SAYING I'M SOME GOD GAMER GEEZ
I SUCKED with calamity ring
I couldn't get anywhere
and if that is so
then maybe that means that hell mode isn't difficult
but maybe I am wrong idk
I don't think I am that good at it
but maybe I am better than I think IDFK
lunar orchid
this isn’t about how good you are at the game it’s about people that aren’t you
drowsy plover
Eh not raging but I did cry a bit sometimes when I was close and I blew it. But hey getting new dialogue definitely alleviates the pain
sleek axle
This game is made for you to enjoy it regardless of skill
The difficulties exist for people of different skill levels
Just because you picked hell mode doesn't mean everyone else will
People play this game to enjoy it
long moss
I gues I am just better than I think I am then idk
sleek axle
Maybe they don't enjoy hell mode and enjoy other difficulties
Just let them be
Just because you don't use it doesn't mean other people don't
uneven ledge
i picked normal mode but no god mode because i like to enjoy video games
same way someone will pick god mode because they like to enjoy video games
drowsy plover
I used god mode for a good amount of time because I was still not used to most weapons and their mechanics. Lately I've been playing without it and turned up the ||heat|| little by little but some of us take longer than others.
old escarp
All that Hell Mode does is increase the starting baseline difficulty, it isn't really that much more difficult than regular but exists to provide a slightly more challenging experience for those that want it right away. The actual difficulty modifiers exist across both modes, Hell Mode just lets you use them without first clearing a run
It's not really fair to say that lower difficulties aren't needed just because you're accustomed to a certain baseline
lunar orchid
“if it’s not fun, why bother?”
old escarp
Plenty of people use and need them, and find them plenty challenging to clear their first run
long moss
tbf god mode makes more sense to me than normal mode
cuz if someone just sucks then yeah god mode makes sense
like story difficulty on other videogames
where you deal 2x damage, have double the health, etc. so that you don't lose constantly but can still enjoy the story
drowsy plover
Some people think that a game must be kinda like Dark Souls to be enjoyable. That's their thing. But others want to enjoy the story without grinding at the same bosses over and over again
long moss
what I am saying is hell mode isn't like dark souls
lunar orchid
it’s not supposed to be
sleek axle
Why are you bragging about using hell mode then
sleek axle
You're like 'oh hell mode is not even hard! I can't imagine what the other modes are like'
sour coral
if youre not trying to brag then whats so difficult to comprehend about easier modes existing for other players
sleek axle
Do you realise how much of a prick you are sounding like
long moss
let me point out I am autistic as a slight defense
old escarp
Dial back on personal attacks, please
long moss
to the fact I sound like a prick
drowsy plover
I understand your point, I'm just saying that the other modes are there to cater to other kinds of players regardless of their skill and experience.
long moss
though I am very low spectrum; what used to be called asburgers
so it's not too much of a defense
sleek axle
Not trying to insult your having autism or anything but are you really going to use that to defend yourself acting like an ass?
Cmon
long moss
I didn't think I was being an ass
so yes
lunar orchid
it’s also kind of rude to say that god mode is for people who suck
old escarp
My advice is to avoid comparing your experience to anyone else's, or projecting yours onto theirs
long moss
that might be a good idea
sour coral
Understand as well that people have different ways of enjoying the game
There might be players who are in it purely for the story
and as such would just want to put on god mode and breeze through the game
long moss
side note cuz I accidentally pressed caps
how does someone accidentally send a message in full caps
that was immediately obvious to me
frail rune
Yo y’all playing on pc or switch?
long moss
PC
old escarp
Mostly PC, but I have it on Switch too
long moss
I wouldn't be surprised if switch version was atleast 1.5x as difficult
lunar orchid
bintendo swinch
frail rune
Yeah I’m playing on switch too.
old escarp
I wouldn't be surprised if switch version was atleast 1.5x as difficult
Why would you think that?
long moss
cuz controls
sleek pond
tbf god mode makes more sense to me than normal mode
cuz if someone just *sucks*...
Not disabled myself, but I know a lot of people with eye or coordination difficulties enjoy god mode as the only way they can get a challenge in the game given their ability.
old escarp
The controls on Switch are the same as PC using controller
long moss
idk I feel like this game would be harder with controler
old escarp
Controller is recommended by the devs
sleek pond
Most speedrunners use controllers. It offers freedom of movement over freedom of aim.
So you can avoid projectiles easier and get good positioning
long moss
kek
old escarp
But again, comparing your experience to others isn't going to get you anywhere. If you prefer KBM that's fine
long moss
well according to the devs controller is better
old escarp
No, not better, just recommended
long moss
aren't those the same thing?
old escarp
Not really, no
long moss
why are they recommended then
sleek pond
It's designed for controller
old escarp
Controller is recommended because movement is more intuitive
sleek pond
That doesn't give it an inherent property of being strictly better
wheat sable
understandable bc aiming with mouse is terrible even with aim assist, esp on bow
old escarp
What is better is whichever you as a player feels most comfortable with
long moss
because it's more intuitive doesn't it make it atleast slightly better?
wheat sable
but if you get used to it, it's fine
glass lotus
I prefer controller over KBM for pretty much everything except shooters, personally I think everything is subjective since it's a matter of muscle memory
wheat sable
both have pros and cons themselves
glass lotus
I've played on controller pretty much my whole life so naturally I'll gravitate towards that, even if it has flaws
old escarp
I prefer controller over KBM for pretty much everything except shooters, persona...
Fix your nickname to comply with the server's no swears rule, please
glass lotus
oh my bad
long moss
if you quit your last save is the beginning of the room yeah?
glass lotus
There
old escarp
Thanks
long moss
@glass lotus you could have made it "DAMN I love Artemis" to keep it in the same vain
sleek pond
if you quit your last save is the beginning of the room yeah?
Yes.
long moss
cuz afaik damn is ok
glass lotus
What do you guys recommend for practicing bosses? I struggle very badly on the final one with certain weapons
Is the best way to copy saves
stray terrace
best way is to learn the patterns
muted latch
just keep doing runs
sleek pond
Don't attack and play keepaway. Watch the windups and avoid getting hit. That way when you try again, you know where every opening is.
pale schooner
hi guys, I'm trying to unlock the 4th aspect of the bow( it is the last weapon missing). I invested more than 5 titan blood on its upgrades, talked something like 50 times to artemis but I still havent received the awakening phrase
do you have any tips?
sleek axle
Have you unlocked hidden spear yet?
muted latch
that, and you need to ||equip the bow to let arty comment on it once||
pale schooner
i did it several times and completed also several times all the walk to the surface with all the other 3 aspects
long moss
wait I recieved a keepsake but I think I didn't get it?
frail rune
Yes you did
stiff lintel
it should be in your keepsake box in the weapons area
stiff lintel
when you spoke to her did it say she gave you one?
limber nova
Hey lads, can you romance multiple people in one save? I'm full on hearts with Meg but can I also pursue Thanatos?
swift pasture
Yep
brisk kelp
Is that how you ||get their companions?||
swift pasture
||Nah, just the first locked heart||
limber nova
Oh awesome thank you
long moss
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/803312129348337744/unknown.png
why doesn't this have the same effect as choosing one in a encounter with both in them?
differing difficulty shouldn't matter because the gods should assume the choice was made to get the other god's boon, not to get lower difficulty, cuz they're self centered
why isn't it expanding
whatever you have to click it for some reason
swift pasture
You're referring to the two different rooms having different difficulty?
long moss
I am saying the differing difficulty is unimportant
I am talking about the fact the different options are between two different god's boons
swift pasture
So?
long moss
they should get butthurt
swift pasture
I see that all the time, it's how the game decides to generate things
If they even know
long moss
it is the EXACT same situation as if the encounter had two boons in it, story wise
you are choosing one god over another
the other should be getting butthurt
swift pasture
Eh
They can tell via a trial due to the room being set up that way, this is two separate rooms.
long moss
I say this just because this choice is right after having a double boon encounter
and even though it's the same situation
it's not for some reason
swift pasture
Because it won't give you two in a row
long moss
if for some reason the gods are blind to the other room that's a valid excuse
but I don't see why they would be
swift pasture
They can't see Zag though
long moss
oh right
swift pasture
They only get contact with you through choosing a boon, or a nearby boon next to theirs in a trial
long moss
darkness
swift pasture
Yeah
winged oriole
|| once you've finished unlocking the mirror, is it safe to just trade away all remaining keys? ||
old escarp
There's one expensive cosmetic item that costs keys later, but generally speaking yes
Keys are easy to come by anyway if you end up needing more
winged oriole
👍
tribal dust
||if you do a 2 heat before you do a 1 heat do you get both heat rewards or do you have to go back and do the tier 1 heat rewards||
lunar orchid
neither, you only get the tier 1
tribal dust
So you just miss out on rewards
lunar orchid
no, you move up to tier 2 afterward
gloomy glen
how do i unlock ||hades keepsake|| as well as ||music stand||
glossy ridge
You can only complete one at a time, and it escalates
gloomy glen
all you have to do is meet the minimum ||heat|| requirement anything past that is just extra ||heat||
tribal dust
||So you can't do a tier 2 heat without a tier 1||
glossy ridge
Correct
tribal dust
ok
gloomy glen
you can still go up to ||heat|| level 2 difficulty but it only gives rewards for the ||heat|| level u havent beaten
tribal dust
||So if you do a tier 2 heat level twice you'll get rewards both times||
gloomy glen
why can i not give ||hades any more nectar ive gotten the ending||
tribal dust
||If you haven't done tier 1||
gloomy glen
nah
sleek pond
it is the EXACT same situation as if the encounter had two boons in it, story wi...
The one with the higher difficulty/boss gives rarer boons
tribal dust
?
sleek pond
Also they're not in the same room to argue
gloomy glen
like it still couunts for tier 1 if u havent done it
gloomy glen
oh ye basically
tribal dust
like next escape
gloomy glen
ye
long moss
The one with the higher difficulty/boss gives rarer boons
we already argued about this and I already conceded
no need to argue further lol
long moss
what does it mean for skelly's next heart to have a lock?
uneven ledge
something to do with ambrosia
heavy verge
||If I buy 2 rugs for Dusa's quest does it count||
I think that counts, but don't quote me on it
vivid patio
on affinity meters mean you have to do something for that character to further unlock the meter. the requirement is different for each character
tribal dust
||If so do removing the claw marks and stuff not count||
swift pasture
||They do, it's still something towards the lounge||
tribal dust
ok
||I guess I'll just wait for her to unlock her heart||
||also for Cerb's do you have to pet him in 20 different runs because I petted the hell out of him and he's still sitting there||
frigid matrix
It comes in time @tribal dust
just invest in the ||lounge|| and she'll ||thank you. ||
tribal dust
cool
frigid matrix
the blanket beds do nothing for dusa
tribal dust
the what
frigid matrix
you can buy big doggo a fancy bed
tribal dust
I've just been buying lounge stuff
vivid patio
||also for Cerb's do you have to pet him in 20 different runs because I petted t...
it doesn't matter, the count is totaled together. once you hit requirements you have a chance to progress each time you return, there's no way to guarantee any specific dialogue popping up
vivid patio
it can do that. the game isn't necessarily reactive to your actions. when you speak with a character, it's kinda like a dice roll to see what dialogue will pop up. most dialogue has certain requirements, you won't notice though because much of it is tied to natural progression. once you've met the requirements for x dialogue to come up, it's entered into a pool of lines that has a chance to come up when you speak with someone, hence the dice roll comparison. certain story stuff has higher priority but ultimately a lot of it is random
tribal dust
I'm guessing heartlock dialogue might have slight priority
stray terrace
fortunately cerbies heart unlock isn’t guaranteed next time you speak with him so you must fortunately pet him more
tribal dust
If you don't pet him before each run for luck are you even human
long moss
what do I have to do for skelly to unlock his heart?
tribal dust
Probably by slapping him up
woven stump
Is the Hermes boon that makes you sturdy and fast after a dash really as Good as it seems?
Because it looks real good and I use it a lot
stray terrace
sturdy is your actions cannot be interrupted by dmg and dmg reduction by 30 percent
the boost after dashing is pretty good for movement though
woven stump
There's the dash after damage to recover 30% one. Basically sturdy is up front +more if you dash a lot
sleek pond
You're sturdy for if you dash attack and if you need the movement you get more. It works on both fronts.
swift pasture
Sturdy is always useful, less damage taken can save a dd if you play it right.
alpine ridge
also just being able to run away from attacks is universally useful
you can outrun Asterius' charge, projectiles etc
woven stump
Running from Asterius is a special down time for everyone
Theseus gets a break from being wailed on
crisp grove
I have escaped 9 times, how many more till it gets intresting?
errant bramble
Lol
If you’re not having fun, don’t play the game.
Why you need other people to tell you that...
livid ledge
I've escaped 9 times too and i'm a little burned out as well
sour coral
spoiler: ||10 is the magic number||
less of a spoiler: ||there are plenty of side stories that come with gifting people more nectar||
errant bramble
I feel like if you’re looking for story driven games, rogue lites are not where you should spend your time
Fwiw, if you’re at 9 clears, you should clear 1 more time.
Not that it’s going to suddenly 180 your enjoyment of the game
crisp grove
I don't know why this guy^ is so salty.
light flame
because you asked a flippant question in a channel designed for sincere ones. Just guessing.
really though, if you've played it this far and you're not interested, best advice is just to drop it and move on. The game doesn't evolve all that much beyond what you've seen.
sly vigil
yup. here you will find people advocating for the game because most people here find it interesting even pre first 1 clear. but if this isn't your cup of tea and you can't find the game interesting even at your 9th clear then there is nothing wrong with moving on to another game or activity you find more interesting. best of luck!
ionic light
hey any tips on using your cast?
it seems maybe kinda useless without any other upgrades
sly vigil
yup
unless you specifically build for it, cast is a supportive role, not your main damage dealer
light flame
ABC: Always Be Casting
sly vigil
I tend to lodge one cast while waiting for enemies to spawn, or lodge one against bosses.
glass flower
Base cast isn't really useful, but picking up something like Trippy Shot is great for the inevitable enemies that you don't want to get near
Chain lightning is also great against ordinary enemies if you can get some distance to spam it
Disclaimer: I haven't actually cleared the game yet so I might not have the best advice
light flame
with Boiling Blood on the mirror (+50% damage to an enemy with a bloodstone lodged in them), base cast is very useful
I recommend just consciously using them as much as you can
frigid matrix
Boiling blood is a strong argument to not go with some of the casts
ionic light
like i barely use cast if i dont pick up any upgrades for it
also what you do with tartarus blood?
frigid matrix
titan blood?
ionic light
maybe
frigid matrix
it's used for upgrading weapon aspects
ionic light
where do i go for that?
frigid matrix
use your cast more often
and you'll see eventually, if you don't know they you are pretty early in the game
ionic light
use your cast more often
even if its still the normal level 1 cast?
frigid matrix
yes, with boiling blood, it's like adding a curse to your enemy to take 50% more damage
50%
moar
damage
errant bramble
For Titans blood, just keep playing and you’ll unlock stuff to use it on
glass flower
The Sword and Fists are the only ones that really fit my playstyle, I should experiment more with the other ones
livid ledge
sounds like you like to rush in
livid ledge
some of the other weapons force you to learn to do more keepaway
or a combination - use a special to apply some status effects, rush in to hit hard
glass flower
I'll try the Bow again sometime, fighting from a distance might help me clear Elysium
Since I find myself running away most of the time
livid ledge
maybe try a shield run with a focus on Ares. i really enjoyed applying doom with shield special.
glass flower
Being able to block was pretty useful the few times I've used it
I'll try that
By the way, do you know how the Nectar items from the gods actually work? They say that the next boon will be from that god, but the one at the beginning of the run is still random. Is it just an increased chance of getting a boon from that god?
errant bramble
It has 1 charge, the charge is used up when you take the god. There are randomly generated boons and also like...seeded? Boons each Biome
So the random ones will be the keepsake
But the seeded ones won’t change
Until you use the keepsake ofc
Someone correct me if I’m wrong haha
sly vigil
By the way, do you know how the Nectar items from the gods actually work? They s...
The full phrasing should be: the next boon (that is generated) will be from that god. Let's pick Artemis keepsake (Adamant Arrow) as an example.
Most of the times, the beginning of the run will generate a god, so you will see Artemis as your first god.
However, sometimes the beginning of the run will generate a hammer instead, so you will see a hammer first (which is obviously not a boon). But the next boon you see will be from Artemis. Note, this doesn't mean that the next thing you see will be an Artemis boon either, it can also be a Centaur Heart, Obols, etc. Just that the next boon you see will be Artemis.
Even rarer, there are scripted events in the game that will override god keepsake behavior. Most notably the Huge Catch event from Poseidon. These are once or twice per savefile so just ... enjoy I guess.
Lastly, Hermes is not considered a "God" for this purpose. He can appear before Artemis in this case because he's a special boy. But rest assured, the next boon you see will be from Artemis.
fallen yarrow
i havent even played the game yet, this is mad confusing
sly vigil
This is kinda niche knowledge.
If you play the game, just take stuff. You don't need to optimize to win. Close your eyes and pick something. Sometimes it works all the time.
quiet tide
What’s the best way to grind for resources, including blood/diamond if you can’t beat final boss
limpid jewel
have you beaten ||him|| at least once?
limpid jewel
What’s the best way to grind for resources, including blood/diamond if you can’t...
i've only got 40ish hours so someone who knows better might say differently:
if you've beaten the final boss and have the ||pact of punishment||, check to see if there's a weapon||/heat level you still have those unlocks available on, and do those.||
otherwise, gear yourself up for the fight. if getting there is hard, double-check your mirror allocation, there might be something that needs tweaking. something that helped me survive til the final boss was swapping ||chthonic regeneration for dark regeneration. that way you get a bunch of health back after a boss|| and ||death defiance for stubborn defiance. the money you save on kisses of styx means you can buy more things to help out your survivability||
quiet tide
Unable to beat final boss yet
Only 1.5 k darkness for now
No 3rd death defiance and no health boost
limpid jewel
oh! and double-check the broker. sometimes he's got a good deal on those resources
quiet tide
I did check on the broker but save Titan blood and diamond
limpid jewel
in that case i'd recommend doing runs with your dark thirst weapon for more darkness so you can fill out those things, and giving exactly one nectar to everyone who can take it to get a hold of their keepsakes. when doing runs and making boon/upgrade choices, go for completing the list of minor prophecies. you might stumble upon a boon you really like!
which bottom-3 mirror talents do people recommend investing in first?
alpine ridge
depends
sometimes you can dodge into it
if it's the bull, you can dodge behind a pillar so that he'll hit it
if it's explodey chariots, outrun them until they blow up
limpid jewel
nothing for specific weapons, but for boons, remember that slower but harder hitting weapons (e.g. bow) usually benefit more from +% damage boons, whereas weak and fast weapons (e.g. ||gun||) usually benefit more from +flat damage boons
by playing your dark thirst weapon you'll start to develop a feel for what makes each one tick
glass flower
I like to dash in and out with the Sword and Fists but that's about all I know
Also I try to use cast on the Flamewheels as much as I can after making some distance
It's less effective on them than on other enemies because they're fast, but most enemies in Elysium can also be maneuvered into exploding traps relatively easily
sterile solar
Like for sword, rely on dash attack
my best tip, is dont rely on anything on specific, learn to adapt to situations
quiet tide
It’s hilarious how there’s a Charon item specifically for not meeting flame wheel
hot yoke
You're more likely to die multiple times to a difficult boss/room than needing it on a per room basis
Playing on ||harder difficulties||?
No you don't need to
It's up to you
hot yoke
Your enjoyment of the game is the most important factor
hot yoke
did you msis me
sterile solar
quiet tide
I will need 30 deaths
In order for zag to reach max god power
Not that I have been using it yet
hot yoke
Oh you're talking about god mode?
quiet tide
May use it for high difficulty because I can’t accelerate the get gud process
hot yoke
That's a lie
sterile solar
Listen here
stray terrace
zagreus is currently ||3/4 god mode and just needs a little push :)||
hot yoke
You summoned me
stray terrace
i have always wanted to make that joke
sterile solar
Cause I love you
hot yoke
Now You have to live with the consequences
sterile solar
Can do
sterile solar
🥺
hot yoke
Definetly
quiet tide
Accelerate the git gud process and materialize it in the form of physical buff, not just mental buff
If you can’t learn to dodge it, the game can teach you to tank it
It is pretty dang intense
glass flower
It's nice to have an easy mode for people who want to experience the story, but it's pretty funny that you still have to die to get stronger
quiet tide
Even at no heat, for a newbie like me
limpid jewel
i like it a lot, even though i've never used it
hot yoke
Well god mode is not necessarily an easy mode
quiet tide
Makes dying inevitable and welcoming
hot yoke
Easier
glass flower
Making the player stronger >>>>> making enemies weaker
vivid patio
god mode can also help offset ||heat|| difficulty, a note :T so its kind of like an additional difficulty modifier on top of your post-first clear stuff
worldly vigil
if you get a boon from a god and then sell it, does it remove that god from the pool of 4?
sleek pond
Yes, but the god can still show up later by chance
twin light
I had a qestion about progression
So I’ve played for maybe 4ish
Hours at this point and the furthest I’ve gotten is the 11 chamber
Given this rate shoul I turn on god mode bc I seem to be sucking
signal pine
its different for everyone
in roguelikes, the more you play the more experienced you tend to get, you learn attack patterns, timings, stuff like that
so that level of progress is quite normal
as for god mode, its really up to you
if you feel that it would help you enjoy the game more, then go ahead
twin light
Ok I think I’ll stick to non god mode
woven stump
Ok I think I’ll stick to non god mode
You're doing great. You'll get lots to help you out as you gather collectibles and upgrade
twin light
Does the game explain the upgrade system better at somepoint or should I just consult the wiki?
woven stump
Which upgrade system in particular?
The boons? Or the mirror buffs?
The game definitely gives you a lot of options that you can figure out by playing, and it rewards you for doing so. It's partly how a big part of the game is not being good at it at the start and overcoming personal milestones
sterile solar
in roguelikes, the more you play the more experienced you tend to get, you learn...
yep^ most roguelites are muscle memory
learning patterns
woven stump
Imo Hades doesn't require you to memorize patterns if you don't want to
sterile solar
Imo Hades doesn't require you to memorize patterns if you don't want to
not to begin with, but as you scale up the game difficulty, you kinda have to
sterile solar
What is the average for clearing 1 run
uhm, time wise around 30 to 40 mins and darkness it depends
if you go for rooms with darkness, if you claimed your bounties, if have the dark thirst weapon
there are many factors for that
quiet tide
Has the devs collected enough info for a estimate of how long before players clear their very first run
errant bramble
1,364.7 on average
languid badge
Has the devs collected enough info for a estimate of how long before players cle...
I don't know if there is anything official ... But based on my experience and also the answers given when I asked the same thing when I initially started , you might clear your first run somewhere between 30-45 attempts ... But definitely varies
glass flower
It might be easier to ask players
quiet tide
Then how many runs did it take you guys
glass flower
According to howlongtobeat, it takes an average of 20 hours and 30 minutes to beat the "main story" without extras, which I assume is the same as beating a run the first time
Personally, I have about 16 hours and haven't cleared Elysium, though I came pretty close once
sterile solar
next time im abck at the house im going to afk holding down the back button, until i find my first win
glass flower
20 hours sounds about right.
If it's about runs, I think I have a little less than 30
languid badge
Not sure about hours but my first successful run was somewhere around 40th attempt
sterile solar
I know this was my first victory, dont know what run number it was
what a pleb using undamaged from the mirror
sleek pond
Mine was around 45. Probably close to 30 or 40 hours.
But everyone learns different. I play a lot of roguelikes, and used to play Diablo. So my previous experience might differ from yours, obviously.
sterile solar
indeed, everyone goes at their own pace
glass flower
By the way, do you guys know if anything happens if you get more kills than Thanatos? I came close once, but it doesn't seem possible if the enemies even have mid tier health. If nothing special happens I'd rather just let him take care of the encounter
sly vigil
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/731410710751346788/unk...
first win with sword is pretty good ngl
sterile solar
first win with sword is pretty good ngl
sterile solar
letting him take care of the room isnt a bad idea if youre not in a good spot
free room
i have done that
glass flower
Yeah, I once tried to beat him and ended up with less health than I started with even with the Centaur Heart I got at the end (as a reward for clearing the room, not beating Than)
Not worth it in Elysium
sterile solar
yep, theres not really a penalty for letting him deal with it,
just an extra 25 heart
which isnt badd
butt
glass flower
Yes, if the "champion" gets to double team me I get to cheese an encounter
sterile solar
Thats one way to see and i love it
sterile solar
well the achievement is getting him nothing isnt it?
alpine ridge
fun fact: you don't need to get more, getting the same number of kills will still earn you a centaur heart
woven stump
You need an appropriate build for sure
Sometimes you're just like nah no way
But it helps to pick your targets. Hunt the squishy enemies and leave the armoured evasive ones for him
also I'm pretty sure in elysium killing a soldier and the sprite counts for 2
So definitely focus down those sprites
quiet tide
He doesn’t leave behind a sprite for you to pick off
woven stump
Right go after your own I mean, you double your numbers that way I think
Whereas he only gets the one
sterile solar
only the ghost count for a kill i believe
dull marten
oh it was beautiful
im so happy lmao i wasnt expecting to beat hades considering this is only the second time i got that far
sterile solar
spear used to my fav at the beginning
worldly vigil
other than haelian and jawless paul, are there any other good youtubers worth watching with guides?
sterile solar
i didnt even know haelian did youtube xD i always watched him on twitch
sly vigil
well not guide specifically but you can watch ||high heat runs|| for ideas I guess
worldly vigil
not even specifically guides
I’m just looking for builds to try out that aren’t too hard
and I’ve watched so many of both of their videos
woven stump
Spoilers friends
sterile solar
Mine was around 45. Probably close to 30 or 40 hours.
well back on this topic, just went back and checked, it was my 27th run
sleek pond
I’m just looking for builds to try out that aren’t too hard
Reddit might be a decent place for it, but you wouldn't get to preview how they work. You could always ask here for in the builds channel for people to send you random build ideas.
sly vigil
Reddit is a good place for random screenshot, though #h1-victory-boasting also serves that purpose.
As for getting game advice from Reddit, idk, most of what I read, Hades related or not, are either unhelpful, mediocre advice or just straight up bad.
sleek pond
Not for advice but just for build ideas or theorycrafting
muted latch
you are not guaranteed to get builds you want anyway
twin light
Man the shield is such trash
muted latch
better try them out and adapt on the fly
buoyant junco
Man the shield is such trash
Learn the way of the wall bash!
frail rune
I love the shield haha probably my favourite weapon.
sour coral
the best weapon in the game is whatever weapon you like using 
muted latch
the best weapon in the game is whatever weapon you get clears easily with
quiet tide
What’s the best way to get Titan blood
When I have not yet fully finished a run
Ever
muted latch
your starting weapons can get you your first clear
sterile solar
the styx shop is more reliable but still
sterile solar
also fated list
muted latch
once you get your first it flows naturally
sterile solar
i listed the ways i know
ionic light
Hey can u cancel normal attacks into specials?
sterile solar
i believe so, might depend on the weapon
sour coral
6 blood is the max you can get without clearing for the first item
excluding fated prophecies and trading in the lounge
sterile solar
and styx!
sour coral
ah right
muted latch
depends, some weapons can special while doing other things
fists has dash upper so you can cancel out of a combo into dash uper
rail can do special during reload
sterile solar
^
glass flower
I've never completely understood what canceling means, does it mean that you can press the button for a special in the middle of a normal attack and it'll go straight into the special?
neat basin
Who should I gift nectar to first?
I gifted one to skelly to get an extra revive, but I'm not sure who else to gift
sleek pond
Who should I gift nectar to first?
I gifted one to skelly to get an extra revive...
Cerberus or Dusa if you're struggling with healing, or any god who's boons you like
wheat sable
the goal is to give everyone you can nectar to get their keepsakes, then continuing until they reach max affinity but if you're looking for a specific keepsake, it will depend on your playstyle
heady solstice
Who should I gift nectar to first?
I gifted one to skelly to get an extra revive...
what contractor stuff have you bought so far?
neat basin
what contractor stuff have you bought so far?
i just started, so i have only bought a few in the Work Orders section:
ive got fountain chamber tartarus, plunder lesser, and the fated list of minor prophecies
heady solstice
ive got fountain chamber tartarus, plunder lesser, and the fated list of minor p...
gotcha - then yeah for now I think tooth is going to be your best keepsake, so feel free to pass around nectar to whoever
swift pasture
^^^
neat basin
thank u guys for all your help!
heady solstice
though, I do personally like giving nectar to gods/people out on runs first, since you see them randomly/infrequently
while the people back at the house will reliably be there
swift pasture
Or you could save up a bunch and then just gift as you see them
gloomy glen
i feel like the strongest weapon is exagryph
severe gazelle
i felt the exact opposite when i started
for me before unlocking fists and gun spear was op
then fists where best
now i just choose a build to do not just pick any weapon i like and give it a run
frigid matrix
imagine not just taking the dark thirst weapon
knotty grail
Hi everyone! Got couple of question:
- When maxing Relationship with a specific character, you get || that character face-art near their Keepsakes.|| That just cosmetic right? technically speaking for most characters , maxing Hearts does nothing besides opening new dialogues perhaps?
- I done leveling all my Keepsakes for level 3. Is there any cookie-cutter? I kinda that the +1 level per 4 rooms, but I was wondering about that.
- The Lyre prophecy. Can I do it on one sit-down? or you have to do it across runs for it to trigger?
swift pasture
Hi everyone! Got couple of question:
1. When maxing Relationship with a specific...
- Yes, most characters will only offer new things to say for maxing their hearts.
- Cookie cutter?
- You cannot, it takes enough time and using the lyre to continue.
sour coral
- ||You get cthonic companions from certain characters by maxing their affinity||
knotty grail
1. Yes, most characters will only offer new things to say for maxing their heart...
Like, best all around Keepsake that it suggested to start a run with.
swift pasture
Ah
Depends on what you want really
I'd recommend a certain god's keepsake if you're going for a certain build and want them in it, but otherwise, whatever you want to use.
sour coral
Olympian keepsakes help in shaping your build, Purse is good in tartarus, Spearpoint is good in Styx, Skelly is basically an extra DD. Acorn can be good if youre having trouble with a boss but dont wanna commit a skelly tooth DD
swift pasture
Than's and Hermes' are good if you can handle building them up the whole run
fresh current
Early game if you want to take a keepsake for a whole run Skelly’s tooth is a good idea before you can afford 3 DD’s, and even after it’s still good training wheels. Late game whole-run keepsakes are Than and Hermes, as well as ||mom’s||
||mom’s|| keepsake is the most passive and brainless of all those 3. It has no room clear requirements and amounts to a flat power buff over a run
lyric vapor
I gave the drinkable thingy to hades and now I regret doing that :(
sour coral
Its fine you'll get more
lyric vapor
so that one is wasted?
heady solstice
its nice that you tried
fresh current
Wasted is a bad word for it
It might have been better immediately somewhere else
But its not like it just vanished
heady solstice
kind of? it does tick up your relation with him, but you can't tick it up any further for a while.
lyric vapor
I thought if I keep giving them to him less "angry rooms" will pop up
lyric vapor
ahaa
heady solstice
He's defs the worst person to give it to early, but you'll get a lot more Nectar as you play, so its fine
fresh current
Sisyphus is great to max out early for his late game item
He takes a long time too
So best get cracking early
lyric vapor
ahaaah makes sense
glass flower
Generally you give people Nectars to get special items from them
lyric vapor
I am not trying to minmax tbh I just do what I think would be interesting
fresh current
For sure
heady solstice
I would recommend spreading out your nectars at the start
heady solstice
and then you can focus in on specific people if you want
lyric vapor
I would recommend spreading out your nectars at the start
yea that's what I was going to do, see everyone's reaction
fresh current
I wont tell you how to play, but of all the late-game items you can get from maxing relationships, Sisyphus’ is definitely the most immediately useful
It only really gets outclassed by one other item, and that’s very late game
heady solstice
I wont tell you how to play, but of all the late-game items you can get from max...
really? I like ||Meg and Than's more - DPS kinda schnasty||
lyric vapor
thats definitely useful to know
alright then thank you all! didn't expect that fast of a response
appreciate it (:
glass flower
But is Sisyphus' keepsake useful before that? It goes away if you get a boon, right?
I think Skelly is the best to give a Nectar to early on
fresh current
@heady solstice that’s where it gets outclassed. It does half the damage of the first one you mentioned, but the health, darkness and gemstones you get back are invaluable for survival and farming
Hence why I like it so much more early game
Hell, I dont honestly use the other ||companion|| myself. I like having that healing on demand
I like Sisyphus for new players because it helps with darkness and gem farming, along with the health and damage it provides
heady solstice
I think Skelly is the best to give a Nectar to early on
||Skelly is defs the best to give early on, but Cerebrus and Sisyphus can also be helpful if you're struggling - sisyphus esp so if you have the regional keepsakes, so you can eke out some value in tartarus and then switch to skelly later on||
heady solstice
I like Sisyphus for new players because it helps with darkness and gem farming, ...
||I didn't get any cthonic companions until post-credits, and I got Meg's first - been on that life ever since||
fresh current
I’m only talking about the items you get from unlocking relationships fully
heady solstice
no yeah I know
fresh current
||companions||
glass flower
By the way, how exactly does Bone Hourglass work? I'm considering equipping it at the start of Asphodel so that after I clear it, I can get some items that will last for longer and then switch to Skelly's Tooth for Elysium. Are the effects of Bone Hourglass permanent, or will they go away once I unequip it?
fresh current
Sisyphus’ actual keepsake that you get for giving him only some nectar is bad at first until you are ready to be a memelord supreme with certain fully unlocked weapons
floral nacelle
The effects start when you equip bone hourglass and only end once you’ve unequipped it
fresh current
By the way, how exactly does Bone Hourglass work? I'm considering equipping it a...
Hourglass should just be a flat room effect buff for items. Not sure if it keeps it on items that are already purchased and you take it off though??
floral nacelle
So you could totally game it by buying stuff only after equipping it in the mid biome chamber, buy some more stuff before unequipping it
glass flower
Okay cool
fresh current
But the cabinet locks behind you?
floral nacelle
And for anything you buy with it equipped, the duration stays at the longer time
fresh current
You can only make 1 switch per floor
floral nacelle
Look at the well before you switch out of it
fresh current
Ah, indeed
glass flower
I'll have to go Asphodel without a directly useful keepsake, but keeping Charon's items until Theseus should be really helpful
Might have to get it to level 3 to get them to last that long though
fresh current
God keepsakes are always good early run choices. Having 1st choice of a boon can be really powerful, even if it’s just Tartarus
compact rapids
question: what exactly does god mode do?
glass flower
I'm going to try the Butterfly, you can basically get a free 20% extra damage for the rest of the run
glass flower
question: what exactly does god mode do?
Makes you stronger
floral nacelle
Damage reduction, starting at 20% and increasing by 2% each time you die, up to a max of 80%
fresh current
In that you actually have to clear floors with no damage to make it work
Which becomes a lot more difficult of a proposition from asphodel onwards
glass flower
That should be easy enough in Tartarus, I'm hoping
fresh current
Especially with certain weapons
Tartarus yes, but than is an all or nothing keepsake
So it's worth thinking about its value to you over a whole run
glass flower
Oh, I didn't even realize I would have to keep it equipped
fresh current
It may drop off for you in later floors until you're well accustomed to the game is all I'm trying to sag
Say*
Yes, than and Hermes are all or nothing keepsakes
Take them off and you lose the effect
glass flower
I see what you mean, I should probably stick with other keepsakes until I'm stronger
fresh current
If you have it and you're looking for something in this vein, ||mom|| keepsake is great
If you have it
It has benefits like than and Hermes
But you can take it off and keep the buffs
Or put it on later
glass flower
I don't, I haven't cleared the game yet
I assume I have to for that
I'll try a god keepsake, getting something like Call of Zeus early on would be really valuable
fresh current
Keep skelly tooth until you can afford 3 dd's on your own
That is your training wheels
compact rapids
wait when i have god mode and i turn it off in the settings does it stay?
heady solstice
yeah this is pre-end boss chat, so ppl won't have that aurash
fresh current
God keepsakes early run for sure
heady solstice
re: ||mom keepsake||
fresh current
Indeed, just know it is 👌🏻 when you do have the opportunity to find it
glass flower
So, god keepsake for Tartarus, Bone Hourglass for Asphodel, and Skelly Tooth for Elysium
fresh current
But early game God keepsakes will treat you good to add power to runs, and you can switch to skelly when you will need him
glass flower
Sounds good
heady solstice
or just god god skelly tbh, depending on build
glass flower
Yeah, I won't need Skelly until Elysium
fresh current
^^^^
More gods is probably better than hourglass
Hourglass is like an item you use when you already feel confident in a build and want shop buffs
heady solstice
charon keepsake is fine but I feel like you don't want to be spending money at wells if you know you can clear the area
fresh current
Gods you use to make that build to feel confident in
floral nacelle
Or for cast builds
fresh current
Or for cast builds
heady solstice
yeah, or for cast builds, big true
floral nacelle
That extra cast is really good, and Prometheus stones are more common than getting it from chaos
fresh current
Facts ^^^
glass flower
We said before that the Hourglass effect stays even if you remove it, right? If I have Hourglass at the end of Asphodel I can buy items that'll last all through Elysium before equipping Tooth, since clearing Elysium isn't a given
But a good boon could be more useful than some of Charon's items anyway
fresh current
If that is what you please
glass flower
I'll experiment with both
fresh current
Yes, that is what the devils advocate in me wants to tell you
floral nacelle
The duration of items you buy with hourglass equipped stays
heady solstice
yeah I think improving your build with a god boon pays better dividends
floral nacelle
But it won’t apply to items you buy after you unequipped it
heady solstice
esp when you do clear elysium
glass flower
By the way, do god keepsakes raise the chances of any other rarity level? Or just Rare
heady solstice
rare or better, so yes other rarity level as well
glass flower
Okay, good
fresh current
God keepsakes also affect duo and Legendary odds in the background too
Something that is not well advertised at all
So sometimes it can be worth keeping one on after you use it to force the god to appear. If you’re going all in on a Zeus build for instance and want to tech to his legendary ASAP
Or hunting powerful duos like Merciful End
wraith verge
anyone want to share some tips on defeating Elysium Fields boss? Struggling with it. Is it better to take out one or the other first? or just whoever is more in your face?
fresh current
Focus the bull down first, dodge the spears of shield guy from long range
Shield guy folds like a tent without his bull buddy
Once bull is dead you can play more patient with shield guy too
Because you don’t have, well, a bull chasing you down
wraith verge
That's definitely been what I've been trying. Guess I just need to do a better job of it, haha.
fresh current
Gotta learn a lot of respect to fight the bull
He can kill you much, much quicker than you can kill him
wraith verge
what killed me on the last run was that I got the bull mid way through. beat that and I thought maybe that damage would carry over to the end game but it doesn't!
fresh current
But until he’s off the field you’re constantly in melee danger
wraith verge
that felt like a rip off
fresh current
You’ll get used to them both
They are challenging but fair without postgame difficulty applied
wraith verge
last couple runs I've been relegated to the bow too which I think is a little harder cause I can't attack/move atthe same time
heady solstice
what weapon(s) do you like using?
wraith verge
what weapon(s) do you like using?
I've got bad rng lately, my bonus has just been going between the spear and the bow and I kinda hate the bow. lol
heady solstice
the bow's dash strike charging up faster than its normal attack really helps with kiting/being able to keep moving
fresh current
^^^^^
Regular attacking is literally a pro only strat for bow
You always want to be pressing dash and attack together when starting out with bow
heady solstice
in general though yeah, keeping to the edges of the stadium and beating up on asterius there is the strat
being on the edge gives you a greater window to dodge the spear throw/gives you access to cover, and also makes having something to dash through for asterius's rush attack much closer at hand
fresh current
The bull will always chase you. Make him chase you to somewhere that is out of shield guys reach so you can fight Mano y Mano
So think more about your position relative to shield guy to stay safe
Cause bull will always follow
wraith verge
Hoping I can get there again tonight. Still super fun. my last attempt I was pretty heavy with a deflect setup and all of their melee attacks really don't play into that either
heady solstice
you can deflect melee attacks too
wraith verge
yeah, but my timing and visual feedback is way harder. haha
heady solstice
yeah fair 😛
also for the attack where asterius jumps at you, dashing at/through him rather than perpendicular really helped me when first trying to clear them
esp once phase 2 hits
wraith verge
that's when his help from the gods come I'm guessin?
heady solstice
that's theseus' phase two, I was talking about asterius - when his attacks start shooting out projectiles
sleek axle
Whether his second phase is easier or not in mostly rng
Since some gods he calls on are alot more annoying than others
heady solstice
one thing is he's completely vulnerable during the initial call, which is always the circles following you in some form, so you can just keep dash striking around him to yoink chunks of his health
sleek axle
Yeah when he stands still is a good point to attack him
Or use a greater call
Usually takes off most of his health
prisma socket
Since some gods he calls on are alot more annoying than others
He always calls someone you don't have boons from, fwiw. And if you have them all, I think it's Demeter or Athena, but can't recall.
lunar orchid
wiki says artemis if you have them all
sour coral
Theseus also has a predictable moveset
woven stump
Does hermes boon "your special is faster" with the zeus aspect shield make the shield fly around faster? Like return faster?
sour coral
After he does his spin attack, he will face forward, so you can dash behind him to attack him
woven stump
It seems like it does nothing
sour coral
After he throws spear and recalls it, he turns around, so you're free to hit his back
long moss
heyo guys
I just was the DM to some DnD
but now I'm gonna play some more Hades
my hope is to be able to start to speedrun tonight
I doubt that will happen though
sly vigil
It seems like it does nothing
Not an expert but in my experience, faster Hermes boons usually just decrease the cooldown of a move, not the actual speed. For example you can shoot rail special more often, not that the rocket goes faster.
Same for shield, you can special more often, not that the shield flies faster. And there is also the problem of waiting for the shield to return, which sometimes is longer than the special cooldown itself which renders faster Flourish useless most of the time.
I usually steer far away from faster Attack/Special boons because I think they are, quite, frankly, at best underwhelming and at worst useless.
deep oar
they’re not good for the ranged fs
long moss
what about for the sword?
deep oar
but reduced cool downs for melee (especially sluggish ones like ||arthur|| or the ||bear aspect|| is somewhat noticeable, really it’s better for disengaging faster than it is for racking up dps
long moss
so you're saying the 10% is prob like 2% for the ranged
and for melee the 10% is probably like 5%?
stone plume
Does faster attack buff charge times like charging bow or bull rush?
deep oar
i’m just saying it’s more useful on the melee since you need to be able to dash away faster and it sorta helps you not get stuck in your moves, idk what the numbers are though, just the functionality ime
and ime it feels like the attack speed buffs the bow, i don’t use the shield ever so idk
deep oar
dk
long moss
i’m just saying it’s more useful on the melee since you need to be able to dash ...
lol I still equally use each weapon so I can get more dark
deep oar
i use to for darkness but no mas
sly vigil
what's the monthly challenge?
Check the pins in #h1-builds-and-combat
worldly vigil
is it possible to get more than one of the same boost from chaos
specifically the darkness boost
floral nacelle
Yes
urban hinge
:)
solemn perch
this channel is surprisingly active
copper vapor
Well people are going to buy such a great game :D
thick vault
Can you only use that titan's blood on your weapons once you've beaten the game or is there something I'm missing lol
pastel cipher
Can you only use that titan's blood on your weapons once you've beaten the game ...
have you unlocked all the weapons?
if no, unlock them all and then do a run
if yes, try interacting with your equipped weapon again 
thick vault
Oooooh... Testing that right now as we speak
craggy edge
Can anyone running the the game at high heat on controller throw me their layout?
The default feels a little clunky..
fresh current
I modified cast to RT, reload to LT, Call to A/B/O and ||companion|| to right stick press and that works great for me fwiw
normal turret
When I come back to house to non-heat the Meg won't talk to me (gossip with dusa) or be there, why?
formal rover
azure spindle
^^ can confirm Meg didn’t show up in the house for me maybe 10 runs in a row. Just happened eventually. The games navigating a lot of dialogue trees, i imagine there are some quirks
jade briar
I think it's random on when meg shows up in the house of hades, which ofc won't be possible if you haven't passed tartarus at all
fresh current
What do people feel like is the best zag aspect among the weapons
normal viper
shield zag aspect is very good
uneven ledge
fists is great
normal viper
and fists zag aspect is decent too
uneven ledge
you can easily get a great dodge build with it
sleek axle
Zag bow is pretty good
normal viper
if you're planning to invest some titan blood in zag aspects, id probably recommend shield over anything
That +15 damage might not sound like much, but it makes a lot of difference
fresh current
I played zag bow recently and was blown away
I had overlooked it for much of the game
It’s hammer dependent to be really online but oh my Zeus is that a lot of damage for 5 blood
I rolled into twin shot + explosive I think? With artemis attack and heart rend on deck. It was crazy.
The hammer that makes zag bow fire without charging is also s-tier if you find it. Had a similar run with that and holy moly the dash attack burst damage
drifting island
yeah i love zag bow
its very simple but its surprisingly powerful with a good hammer
sly vigil
I played zag bow recently and was blown away
I'm glad you find Zag Bow fun. It's my favorite for sure. And yeah, twinshot (or triple shot) is very powerful on it. If you can get point blank shot or perfect shot on top it's even better
fresh current
It’s a little less mobile and takes a little more tech skill to get the most out of power shots and dash attacking constantly to shorten the charge
But my god does it pack a wallop. Ranged nemesis itt
And if you get the automatic hammer you don’t even need to dash attack anymore and it’s just hold forward and faceroll for the rest of the run
primal nebula
hey guys just bought hades have about 5-6 escape tries any tips
glass flower
Hard to say, you make yourself stronger with items you collect on runs but you might not have many of those yet
swift pasture
Use whatever has dark thirst for now, you'll want the extra darkness for mirror upgrades.
glass flower
If you have any Nectars, you can give them to characters in return for keepsakes that you can equip on runs. Skelly's keepsake is probably the best for you right now
swift pasture
^
swift spruce
i rolled triple shot + explosive with poseidon rupture attacks and i was pulling like 2k+ per shot it was pretty insane
glass flower
Do you get those buffs from Titan's Blood, or Daedalus' Hammer? All of the starting buffs for Blood seem incremental and I can't see the future ones, so I haven't committed yet
I have 5 Titan's Blood right now
drifting island
triple shot and explosive shot are hammers
glass flower
Is there anything standout that you can get from Titan's Blood? Zagreus aspect and otherwise
Though I don't have the last aspect
fresh current
the aspects dont really change in nature from unlocking to fully upgraded
they just get stronger
there are definitely some good blood value picks in the zag aspects
But most every aspect is strong in its own way when it's at max power
sour coral
Hera bow is the best 1 blood investment
fresh current
posiedon sword and talos fists are also great 1 blood candidates
glass flower
Okay, I'll look at those
fresh current
zeus shield? can be played with 1 blood just to get used to it and see how fun it can be
but its dependent on having a good boon on special to back it up at lower levels
like dio or zeus or artemis
i guess achilles spear would be the best 1-blood spear
it's not particularly powerful until upgrades, but it gives you mobility for 1 blood and a small buff and that's nice
glass flower
By the way, do special items from bosses refresh after a successful run? You seem to need a lot more than 6 of each for weapons and the contractor
fresh current
Things that don't get reset after a run: darkness, keys, nectar/ambrosia, blood, diamonds, gems, maybe 1 or 2 things I'm missing
If it's not on that list, it gets reset with every escape attempt
glass flower
All of that? I thought I kept my upgrades, do those go too? Or just all of my items
If you can't get Blood and Diamonds again from bosses, do you have to get them exclusively through trading?
Oh, I think I read that wrong
fresh current
sorry, weapons and mirror upgrades too
glass flower
Okay
fresh current
anything you spend those permanent resources on is permanent too
glass flower
So, things I spend Blood, Diamonds, and Ambrosia on stay upgraded?
sour coral
Yes
glass flower
But, can I get the items themselves again from the same bosses?
fresh current
yes, but only by adding more postgame difficulty on your runs
which you unlock after your first full completion
glass flower
Okay
So after my first successful run I'll only have upgrades from the permanent resources, and permanent resources that I didn't spend
Thanks
fresh current
correct 👍🏻
also any permanent resources you gather on your way to your first success will stay with you, just to be clear
permanent means permanent, its yours until you spend it
glass flower
Out of curiosity, how many difficulties are there? I checked out some future Contractor projects on the wiki (I wasn't about to spend 2 Diamonds on a desk without making sure it was worth it) and it seems like I need over a dozen to get everything done
fresh current
have you played a SGG game before?
they do difficulty in a way that doesn't fit that question neatly
the basic answer is it goes way, waaaay up
with the postgame system that you will be introduced to after your first successful run
glass flower
Never played a Supergiant or even a roguelike game before, super noob coming through
fresh current
no worries
glass flower
Okay, I'll check it out then
fresh current
they do difficulty in a way that doesn't fit that question neatly
^^^ they always have
it's their Thing
smaller stacking modifiers that wind up making the experience much harder
rather than a big red switch that says EASY, NORMAL and HARD
glass flower
I thought I was just unlocking hard or extra hard
glass flower
smaller stacking modifiers that wind up making the experience much harder
Good to know
fresh current
nope. not their MO.
fresh current
for sure
the zag ones are much cheaper than their counterparts to upgrade btw
5 blood for max vs 15-16 for others, so they're good to invest in early.
none of them will steer you wrong, but favored ones are commonly shield, fists, bow and to a lesser extent rail
glass flower
I'll use bow some more and see if it's my style. I didn't think it was any good, but then I cleared Elysium for the first time using it because of dark thirst
Tbf I had some pretty good Daedalus upgrades
fresh current
bow is the hardest weapon to understand when beginning i think, because it relies on using dash strike almost exclusively over regular attack to shorten the charge time and make it manageable and that's not really something that's easy to figure out on your own
but just like you said, zag bow especially can turn into a monster with the right hammers
you want to Power Shot as much as you can when using bows that aren't Chiron
Watch for your charging meter to flash when it reaches full. this is a good cue to use for powershotting every time. Hitting powershots consistently together with dash attacking constantly to shorten the charge time is a big difference maker in bow's damage output
also bow gets super op with its expensive aspects. it's probably the latest-game weapon in the game in that respect. the zag aspect is still a great 5 blood investment though to get your feet wet with Bow's mechanics
glass flower
That's how much Blood I have right now, I'll go upgrade it once or twice
fresh current
you're going to get lots of blood as you play. i would find the weapon you like best, max out its zag aspect (unless it's spear lol) and use that investment to teach yourself more about the game and beat it more easily with your favorite weapon
cyan vault
Here I am collecting all the aspects before I upgrade anything.
The mechanics of the weapon change a bit depending. Trying to figure it which aspect of each weapon is my preferred.
But the great part about the game is that there isn’t a wrong way to play.
fresh current
Mmhmmmm. Just for basic min/maxing I would advise maxing up one weapon at a time to get the most out of it, but this is such a diverse game. Thats the great thing, as long as you’re smiling there is no wrong answer
But the Zag aspects are all 1/3 the price of the others so if you find one you like early it’s a great buy for 5 blood. Only exception is Zag spear which is a little bit of a joke tbh. It’s not bad, but it doesn’t really do anything meaningful to improve spear’s play much. Only zag aspect in the game I would steer new players away from
sleek pond
I also unlocked every aspect first to play with it before upgrading, then focused on the aspects I liked first. I disagree with finding a favorite weapon at first. Favorite weapons are for speedrunners and people pushing into the very late stages of the game. At the start and even late game you really want to use the dark thirst weapons for the extra pickups, and to explore every strategy and build. Once you've played everything and most combinations, then you can settle and get really good at just one weapon.
I also think maxing out a favored aspect for a weapon will probably get you much further than the zag aspects even for the cheap price, unless you just have extra blood sitting around. Which will happen eventually.
cyan vault
Agreed. Especially since you will have much less diminishing returns when you can effectively use them all instead of effectively use one. But again. Play the way you’d like. It’s a long and winding road with many paths.
I got my third bow clear before I got my first shield clear.
And I still haven’t cleared with the sword or rail.
sleek pond
Theres something to be said about learning enemy attack patterns with each weapon. You get a more complete picture of how an enemy is a threat, and more importantly, when it is safe to attack.
cyan vault
I’m in Styx with hidden spear aspect right now with kind of a monster building going on. That being said, I limped into Styx after TheBull.
We’ll see if I got what it takes.
It would be nice to get that reward from the fates list.
I still struggle with using the block with shield. Feels wrong to sit still.
Doom special cheesed my way to the end.
unique cairn
is the game supposed to be very hard? like ive gone against meg like 6 times in god mode and still cant beat her. Or am i just trash
cyan vault
Sounds pretty normal to me. I’m not particularly good but it took probably 50-60 tries before I made it out.
It gets easier though, which is kind of the point.
The first one is the hardest. Or so far
heavy verge
is the game supposed to be very hard? like ive gone against meg like 6 times in ...
I died to each boss a lot before getting comfortable with their attacks and developing a strat
heavy verge
Expect to die a lot, but you will improve
unique cairn
yup
fresh current
Honestly
Dunkey has a great take on this games difficulty in his 2020 vid
Best explanation of progression I’ve heard to date
heavy verge
why is the game so hard at the start lmao
The mirror of night and weapon upgrades mean you ramp up over time. Value darkness and keys when you're deciding on room rewards and you should be zooming
unique cairn
got it
heavy verge
If you haven't already, you should try giving Cerberus one of those bottles of nectar
unique cairn
cerberus is the dummy?
heavy verge
The dog
heavy verge
Perfectly understandable, there are a lot of nouns to keep track of
unique cairn
yea haha
fresh current
Never did I think being a private school kid for a few years and falling in love with Greek mythology would pay off so much later in life lol
alpine ridge
i bet you were a PJO kid as well huh
edgy pasture
Is it just me or is the Shield of Chaos way more powerful than the other weapons? It's carried me all the way to the final boss twice but I can't even get past Elysium without it
alpine ridge
you probably just really vibe with it
glass flower
I guess different weapons work for different people, I couldn't imagine beating Theseus with the Shield
Do Cthonic Keys have any use after you have all your talents and weapons? Seems like they're only good for trading now
urban hinge
Question I just picked up "Poseidon's Aid" and I need to fill up a bar to use it. How do I do that?
alpine ridge
OK, so this is what's called your Call, the bar is your God Gauge and it fills up when you deal and take damage. Once your room ends, the gauge drains completely and you can fill it up again in the next room.
urban hinge
That explains why it wasn't filling up each time I checked after I finished a room
Thank you
alpine ridge
Each bar will grant you one use of the Call and if you fill it up completely you can use a Greater Call which is an upgraded version of it
urban hinge
Got it
alpine ridge
Yeah i had to check the wiki when I first encountered it haha
it's one of the mechanics that's not immediately intuitive
sterile solar
Isnt there like a tutorial explanation the run poseidon introduces you to it?
alpine ridge
not really, like you get it but i don't think it spells out how the Call and Gog Gauge works specifically
muted latch
the call is never taught in game, entirely
because I literally dont know it is a thing till like, 20 hours in after watching a video
sterile solar
ah i see
guess i was just curious and fiddled with it
would be a nice thing to put in then
muted latch
even the summon is mentioned in game
cast as well, plus the on screen moveset indication when you pick up a weapon in the courtroom
just not the call
for a long time I thought the call replaces something I have so I dont ever pick it
safe pasture
The call is taught in game though?
I remember receiving a small tutorial on what calls are for the first time that I had an option to pick a call
muted latch
you have to highlight the call boon itself
but once you have a call, it's not immediately apparent what you have to press to use it
it shows up but not instantly when it should
safe pasture
maybe
muted latch
summon and cast are shown very early on
safe pasture
summon as in?
muted latch
the first run you have a ||companion|| equipped the game has a very noticeable notification telling you to ||press LT to use summon||
safe pasture
ah
muted latch
plus ||the companion sometimes makes a sound cue||
like ||the battie squeaks occasionally||
muted latch
yeah for call the indication is not very clear
it shows up but not 100% of the time when your god gauge fills up
only when you have a full one
safe pasture
okay this is kind of unrelated but I only started playing yesterday, and I want a tldr on some questions
is the shield considered an "op for noobs" weapon? is it not broken?
uneven ledge
the block can be cheesy but imo it is in no way a noob cannon
safe pasture
what is the best weapon, then? factually, not like cheesy strats like with shield
uneven ledge
it's just a matter of being able to use a weapon effectively
muted latch
zag shield (base form) is considered a newbie weapon because it's safe
shield is also not cheesy
the best thing is always the thing you use to get wins
it just trades damage output for safety that's all
on a pure "get things done" scale base shield is the weakest
muted latch
you'll know in due time XD
safe pasture
oh is it titan blood upgrades
muted latch
||unlock all weapon and talk to skelly||
safe pasture
yeah exactly
I just now unlocked gauntlets so I guess I need more keys to get the|| railgun thing||
zenith sentinel
Gauntlets are 100% my fav
normal viper
same
i love the damage output
but some other people might hate them because they die quickly on them
zenith sentinel
I like holding down instead of clicking
safe pasture
can they stunlock opponents?
normal viper
yeah i do the same
yep
also i would highly recommend you to try out all weapons, and try to get atleast one clear with all of them
all the weapons in this game are so balanced
safe pasture
I hate the bow the most by far
normal viper
wow
zenith sentinel
Theres some speci fx happening when i am attacking an enemy that I miss their telegraph
normal viper
im blocking you rn on discord
safe pasture
lmao
normal viper
dont talk to me ever again
zenith sentinel
The titanblood upg for bow makes it tolerable
safe pasture
I can safely get till ||bone hydra|| but then I just die in that fight because it's so chaotic
sleek axle
Shield least favourite weapon
normal viper
same
zenith sentinel
Id say its mandatory
sleek axle
Couldn't be me
normal viper
I can safely get till ||bone hydra|| but then I just die in that fight because i...
try to keep your distance from the hydra, dont get too close in
safe pasture
is spear considered weak?
normal viper
no weapon is considered weak
muted latch
someone hasnt tried ||hidden shield|| then
sleek axle
someone hasnt tried ||hidden shield|| then
I have
safe pasture
@zenith sentinel bro spoilers
sleek axle
Still not good
zenith sentinel
I did
safe pasture
hades?