h1-for-new-players

[dapper steppe]

hey thanks

[karmic tangle]

Lol

[stray terrace]

you cant start initally with boobs ;) but you can get boons after you start the run

[karmic tangle]

Ok

So weird I have the whole mirror of reflection unlocked and I still feel under powered

[rough wren]

my new sticking point is trying to win with the spear

not sure what to use

[wooden trench]

Lmaoooo

[stray terrace]

trial of the gods in an attempt to gain their boobs

[wooden trench]

Idk man

You can never gain aphrodite's boobs but ig that's fair

[stray terrace]

any spears are a solid choice but my fave is probably achilles

[wooden trench]

Which gods do you go for and which weapons do you use?

[worldly vigil]

Haelian has a good mirror guide

[dapper steppe]

i assume the best strat is to level up weapons equally?

[rough wren]

any builds youd recommend for achilles?

[worldly vigil]

it all depends on what you want to do

If you want to be able to play on an okay level with all weapons, then yes. If you want to have one OP weapon, max out one aspect initially

[dapper steppe]

i see

[stray terrace]

i dont really have a set recommendation for achilles, use whatever youre comfortable with

[alpine ridge]

It's works great on Cast Builds that don't stick in the enemy like Hunting Blades

[worldly vigil]

can someone explain to me what pierce does

I can't figure it out lol

[stray terrace]

it can go through shielded enemies and through enemies in general

[worldly vigil]

wdym shielded enemies?

like it doesn't go through the shield guys in elysium

[stray terrace]

whoops nvm

pierce just goes through enemies in general

so like a bow shot can go through an enemy into another because it pierces

[worldly vigil]

ah okay

I thought the same thing you did about shield, but ig not

[long moss]

do gems provide any functional use?
or are they sort of useless cuz they just provide customization of the pre-run area

[stray terrace]

they do have a function, yes

[long moss]

what?

[stray terrace]

things like fountain chambers, money in urns, and other small things like troves and upgrading them

[long moss]

their function of renovating is completely useless though right?

[stray terrace]

renovation of the lounge unlocks a certain characters affinity gauge

[wooden trench]

I believe that's the only use

And getting the fountain rooms

But I never upgraded that since I use the buttefl

Butterfly*

[stray terrace]

and ||em4 || and upgrading trove rewards

but thats all the practical things

[alpine ridge]

also the Wretched Broker can let you convert excess Gems into other resources

[fluid yoke]

i mean you won't have any excess gems until you finish renovating the house of hades

[alpine ridge]

some people may not care about the renovation

I haven't met one yet but I'm sure they exist

[fluid yoke]

i care about it

like genuinely

like yeah you can get alot of keys and nectar with gems but you're still gonna get alot of gems

so the renovating is not useless because i quite like having a nice looking house

[uneven ledge]

i'd prefer not to have a house that feels empty myself

[fluid yoke]

yeah

[robust shale]

best boon from all gods?

[fluid yoke]

like when you're talking to thanatos and there's a nice set of chairs and a table and a rug

[alpine ridge]

Clearly its After Party

[fluid yoke]

i think it adds to the experience is my point

[alpine ridge]

Oh yeah for sure

[robust shale]

i've gotten after party before, not sure what it really does

[alpine ridge]

i spent a long time considering my rug choices

[alpine ridge]

to be clear, was joking After Party sucksssssss

[uneven ledge]

the sanguine rug just goes best with everything being red

[robust shale]

thats a bruh moment

[fluid yoke]

i go elysian rug

in the west halll and lounge

[long moss]

yellow health is armor?

[uneven ledge]

what does after party even do

[alpine ridge]

Yep

[fluid yoke]

it heals you to a certain threshold if you are below it after an encounter

[uneven ledge]

like it's so confusing does it heal you if you're at 20% or below??

[long moss]

yep to the armor question?

[alpine ridge]

Restores health to a certain threshold after encouners

Yes to armor question

[fluid yoke]

yes yellow armour

[uneven ledge]

yes and you wanna get rid of that yellow health as soon as possible

[fluid yoke]

say you do an encounter and you're below 30 percent health

[uneven ledge]

or else as skelly says you're gonna have a bad time

and no not that kind of bad time

[fluid yoke]

and the boon says the threshold is that

you will get automatically healed to 30 percent after beating all the enemies

[uneven ledge]

well that seems... mostly useless

[fluid yoke]

i think

[long moss]

so boons that highly increase damage to armor with a type of attack that you do tend to use is very useful

[fluid yoke]

i found it useful one run where i got stuck at low health in elysium

yes increased damage ro armour is very good

like the spear hammer breaching skewer

solid

[long moss]

I got breaching skewer specifically

lol

[uneven ledge]

breaching cross on fists is also really good

especially for minibosses

which usually have armor

[fluid yoke]

dash strike stuff is good generally

the artemis dash boon is solid

[long moss]

what is the green/grey circle with a exclamation in it?

it looks to have some colorful barnacles on it

[fluid yoke]

?

not sure what you mean

sorry

ohh

right yeah those are

npc rooms

they're worth checking out

[long moss]

sounds like they are important to the lore?

[fluid yoke]

yeah

they're important for multiple character plotlines ans also have very useful bonuses

they vary for each npc but i think you wanna take it

especially if you've only seen it now

[nocturne vault]

very cool rooms

always go for them

[long moss]

awww I can't give this guy nectar?

[nocturne vault]

give who?

[fluid yoke]

what region are you in

[long moss]

he has a boulder shaped like a skull
first region

[fluid yoke]

oh

[nocturne vault]

they are in sisyphus

room

[fluid yoke]

sispyhus

[nocturne vault]

@long moss give nectar to sisyphus and later u can give it to bouldy

[fluid yoke]

did you know sispyhus cheated death and as punishment

got made to push a boulder up a hill eternally

thst will never go up it

[long moss]

so wait I have to give it to them in the main hall thing?

[uneven ledge]

bouldy is a cool guy, he's just doing his job

[nocturne vault]

bouldy is best charecter in the game

[uneven ledge]

sisyphus will never appear in the house of hades

you just have to meet him during a normal run at tartarus

[nocturne vault]

yea

does giving nectar to bouldy boost trust with sisyphus

[noble tiger]

i didnt talk to bouldy yet

[fluid yoke]

yeah that's kind of

into sispyhus relationship before you can

[long moss]

I got to 4 health left on the first boss, forgot her name, she has a single wing, and then I died

meg

[nocturne vault]

ull beat her

[fluid yoke]

yeah

you can do it

if it helps

[long moss]

is trim ash grey of any use? or just appearance?

[fluid yoke]

dealing with her projectiles is important like uh

athena boons

very good against with that

uh it's jusr appeared

appearance

but i doubt you have much other use for gemstones rn

[long moss]

well shouldn't I save my gems up for something that isn't useless?

like work orders?

[uneven ledge]

i wouldn't recommend buying house renovations right now, it's better to focus on underworld renovations

[fluid yoke]

yeah

yeah focus on those

but appearance is not useless

you will eventually run out of underworld renovations trust me

[long moss]

I don't care about what my game looks like
I will use gems purely for functional uses only, until they only have aesthetic purposes left

[fresh current]

Focus on +resource things first

You’ve got the right idea

Don’t unlock the gates that cost 5 diamonds until the very last

You probably can’t even see them yet, but they’re not worth it until you’re Gud

[uneven ledge]

eventually you have no choice but to use gemstones for aesthetic purposes

[fresh current]

^^^

Eventually

[uneven ledge]

yeah the gates aren't worth it until later

[fresh current]

Just to satisfy curiosity, they spawn a +difficulty room with +reward. The catch is that If you take damage, any damage at all, you get nothing. So they are very inconsistent and not worth until you’re good and ready for them

[long moss]

I really like the spear so far the most
but I gotta keep using the weapon that gives a boost cuz I can use them all functionally and more darkness means more upgrades sooner

so far I rank it spear > bow > sword

everything else is locked

[fluid yoke]

yeah getting into rhe dark thirst is good

you need alot of darkness

[long moss]

and rn I "have" to use the sword for the darkness

[fluid yoke]

the price for mirror upgrades only

gets higher

[fresh current]

Always do the purple weapons

Because its good farming

And because its good training for you as a player

[fluid yoke]

one day you're spending 50 darkness to max out a mirror skill

the next you need to gather 1k to get a rank in something

[long moss]

lol that's nothing

one of my skills needs 300

[fresh current]

Become proficient with all aspects of death. Join the monkhood of the purple weapon and sharpen yourself.

[long moss]

^

[fluid yoke]

i presume dd?

death defiance

[fresh current]

Even that’s still nothing yet 🙈

[long moss]

ye

[fluid yoke]

that's a good one that will probably help you get farther up if you upgrade it

[fresh current]

If you’re not already bandaiding that 3rd DD slot with skelly’s tooth you should look into that 🙂

Yes DD’s are essential to get up and running early on

[fluid yoke]

maxing out dd i would say is a big factor to escaping

unless you're using sd

then max that

[fresh current]

Sooner you get 3 the sooner you can take off your skelly training wheels too and start picking more powerful keepsakes

[long moss]

DD?

[fresh current]

Death Defiance

[fluid yoke]

or you can keep skelly on

[long moss]

oh

[fluid yoke]

for the insurance

[fresh current]

Or you can keep skelly on for the insurance

[fluid yoke]

which helps in some cases test me

trust me

having 4 dds is helpful

[fresh current]

Yeah make no mistake, if a run is belly-scraping on me I’ll reach for my skelly safety blanket every day and twice on Sunday

It always does exactly what it says on the label 👍🏻

[fluid yoke]

yeah i mean more go for acorn these days but i don't think pinecone ie in asphodel yet

[fresh current]

Oh for sure

[long moss]

ofc DD is that good
cuz that heals you for 50% and lets you "die"
super op

[fluid yoke]

but yeah gl with your runs

yeah it does feel op at the start gl with escaping tartarus

[uneven ledge]

broken spearpoint is great in styx

[fluid yoke]

yeah

[fresh current]

Persistence @long moss . Death is Just the Beginning.

[uneven ledge]

if you get hit by poison you still have a chance to reach for a cure without taking damage

[fresh current]

^^^^

That’s why I take spearpoint over acorn

I’ll take ||my father|| on his own terms, to hell with that poison

[long moss]

idk what spearpoint is

[uneven ledge]

and 5 hits from the pinecone isn't gonna be enough for the last boss

[long moss]

if you mean the keepsakes, I use the cerberus keepsake

[uneven ledge]

you get it from an npc in the third section of hell

[fresh current]

Ok good! @long moss

[uneven ledge]

yeah the spiked collar is also good

[fresh current]

Do you have Skelly’s keepsake yet?

[long moss]

nope

[fresh current]

Ok, give some nectar to him pronto

You want that available to you yesterday

Do you start your runs with 100 health yet?

[long moss]

I think you should refrain from saying that

I want to do keepsakes at random

[fresh current]

Lol your choice. What I would tell you, is when you can afford the mirror upgrades to start your runs with 100 health, that is an excellent time to bandaid yourself with a certain keepsake for an extra DD charge until you can afford that too.

[robust shale]

tips for fighting ||guy and bull guy||

[fresh current]

Fight bull guy mini boss every chance you get

Learn him

Respect the bull, he can put you flat on your ass before you can blink

Stick and weave

[robust shale]

what about ||hero guy||

[fresh current]

Always try to kill bull first

[robust shale]

learned that the hard way

[fresh current]

We’ll get to hero

Hero is a punk and an annoying fly for most of the fight

[robust shale]

i see

[fresh current]

Speaking of him

When fighting bull always keep one eye on your character model

Hero will paint a crosshair onto you. When it turns red be ready to dodge the spear right now

[uneven ledge]

just get behind a pillar or something

[fresh current]

Or be neo and bullet-time that business

Either way

Bull has 3 attack patterns, really. 3 swings into jump smash, jump smash alone, and charge

Respect his swings and his jumps

Always take note of which way he is facing and make sure you’re in that blind spot in case he swings on you

His swipe is bigger than 270deg, I’d say about 300deg

So either back off or get right behind him

For his bullrush, you are a matador

Find a post or a wall and ole ole ole

And that’s basically the bull

[uneven ledge]

issue is that sometimes you lure him onto a pillar and he goes around it

[fresh current]

Good point

[uneven ledge]

he just randomly decides to go around it for some reason

[fresh current]

Note on that: make sure you stand absolutely still (or close to it) when doing ole

Like a real matador, waste absolutely no motion you don’t have to

Control your dashes and don’t waste two when you need one

Because he does that ^^^^^^^^

[crystal spindle]

Normally when I cant get him to crash into a pillar, I go to a side wall and stay there, then, when he is just about to hit me, I dash through him and he hits the wall

[fresh current]

So stick close to the pillar, he’ll come around again and you’ll have another chance

[robust shale]

happened to me

[light grove]

his AI when charging is so weird - I've dashed to the opposite side of a pillar 10 times before and he just kept circling until he hit me

[fresh current]

You get used to its quirks it find

You get used to finding obvious angles for it to hit on

Even then it still finds ways sometimes

[leaden whale]

I've had much more success with running him into a wall than into pillars

[fresh current]

Yeah wall can be better if you’re near one

Same exact principle, ole ole ole

As for hero guy

He a punkass

He will attack you from afar while you fight bull

Once you kill bull he resembles an overgrown shield-dude. Get up in his grill, keep dodging his spears when he throws, but when you get close you should bait out his spin attack most times

Let him wind his spin up, dodge it and light him up

Rinse repeat until he goes invincible and calls on the gods

Now the fight is theoretically harder but there’s a secret.

[light grove]

If you fight him in melee range, Theseus will switch to following you to get to melee range and use a wide range spear spin dash, and then go back to throwing spear at you

[leaden whale]

[offspring voice] you gotta keep em separated

[fresh current]

Right after his invincibility drops, as he’s still calling on the gods, he is completely vulnerable

You save up your single biggest damage spike for this moment of the fight and you lay it all on him here and now

If you have aphro call the fight is basically over now

[leaden whale]

oh yeah you can set up so much damage

[fresh current]

If you burn him down before he moves again, congratulations you win the game

If not it’s the same fight but now it’s harder because the olympians are involved

Generally speaking you should have done enough damage while he was still that you just need to finish the job

So facetank what you have to and put him down

Punkass king

And that’s bull and hero

[leaden whale]

this is the hero-king?

[fresh current]

Puny hero king

Hulk shrugs

[robust shale]

that was a really long explanation but i'll take it

[fresh current]

You’re welcome.

[leaden whale]

late(r)game spoilers ||my current strat is to get them both to phase 2 and nuke them w my companion lmao||

[uneven ledge]

finish em with greater call

shame you basically can't do that on ||em3||

[fresh current]

Yeah both is optimal for sure

[long moss]

are infernal troves based on how fast you clear the room or how fast in general you get to the trove?

[fresh current]

But I hate running the risk of goofing up Theseus and having him enraged while I still have to kill poor Asterius

[uneven ledge]

they're based on how fast you kill the enemies that spawn after activating the trove

[long moss]

ok

[fresh current]

Also if you clear one super duper fast it’s either a roll or a guaranteed chance at a nectar!

[uneven ledge]

wait i can get a reroll if i do it fast enough?

😳

[light grove]

I've never seen that happen - how fast do you have to be for that? like a 1-3 second clear?

[long moss]

||chaos|| is.... interesting

[uneven ledge]

1-3 seconds is pretty far from well... possible

[light grove]

I've done a trove in like 5 seconds before but still didn't see a reroll reward

[empty depot]

yeah there isnt

[uneven ledge]

how in the goddamn

[light grove]

there was only one wave of enemies and they were all weak

like only 4 enemies I think

[runic garnet]

whats a good way to guarantee chaos?

or get high chance at least

im still kinda new

[light grove]

there's a Charon well item that guarantees a chaos portal

[runic garnet]

is that it

[light grove]

afaik - don't think anything else influences chaos portals

[polar smelt]

I know you can't get duo boons in a trial room, but what if you reroll that loot, does it then allow that pool to be open or trial room = no chance?

[uneven ledge]

yeah i've gotten duo boons in trial of the gods before

[lost dagger]

Does the hunters mark boon work against a single enemy/boss?

[cyan thistle]

i don’t believe so

[lost dagger]

Thanks

[errant bramble]

You cannot get duo boons in Trials

[ionic scaffold]

is that only when you reroll?

[errant bramble]

You cannot do it period

Not with reroll

[ionic scaffold]

Interesting, never knew that was a rule for certain

[errant bramble]

I’m like 99% sure but you make me doubt hah. Someone else will answer eventually I imagine

[long moss]

I just beat my first boss!

I ofc had the thing that makes you heal 2 every time you attack

oooo I just claimed a bounty

is this a checkpoint?

[wooden trench]

checkpoint... hah

Nope, when you die you start from the beginning

gz on your first boss btw

!

[sly vigil]

Yes, though it's not permanent.

Maybe you found this out already lol

[long moss]

no I got no checkpoint

[sly vigil]

If you die you start over

The checkpoint is that you don't get the same reward again

And the story progresses beyond that point.

[buoyant thunder]

Checkpoint? Ah, you poor thing. Welcome to rogue-lites my friend.

Checkpoints do not exist in this realm. The only thing to look forward to is death.

[ionic scaffold]

But at least with death, you can expect some form of progression

[long moss]

checkpoints are common in roguelites

[buoyant thunder]

No, no they are not.

[long moss]

atleast gungeon has it

[buoyant thunder]

However, I do know games like Spelunky have shortcuts, so I'll give you that

[muted latch]

there are a lot of roguelites (roguelike games that dont exactly follow the basic rules of roguelikes) that dont feature checkpoints meaning you have to commit to runs

[long moss]

gungeon and spelunky

[buoyant thunder]

That's fair. No, there are no checkpoints in this game

[muted latch]

you can quit after completing an encounter or in safe room in Hades

[long moss]

would it be a bad idea to spend titan's blood at the wretched broker for a limited time deal of 200x gemstones?

[muted latch]

200 stone to blood is like the best deal from the broker

take it

[pastel cipher]

yeah, that deal is never worth it

[muted latch]

oh you mean blood FOR stones?

dont do that

stones can be easily farmed

[buoyant thunder]

Of course, there is a point down the road where you no longer need titan blood. Then it's worth it

[long moss]

how limited is titan's blood?

[pastel cipher]

if you see 15 keys to get a titan blood, that deal is however worth it

[muted latch]

once you dont need blood, you probably dont need stones either

[buoyant thunder]

And extremely bloody rare!

No. Stones are one of the last things to go

[long moss]

keys are awesome I gather

[muted latch]

unless you are a true completionist that wants EVERYTHING (yells) from the contractor

[long moss]

what does grandfather's blood get used for typically?

[buoyant thunder]

Especially since the trade system makes it very beneficial to trade gemstones for the main upgrades

[muted latch]

upgrading weapons

[buoyant thunder]

It'll take a moment to get that opportunity. But it'll happen sooner or later

[long moss]

I have traded gems for other stuff all the time

[muted latch]

you get most of your blood from runs

if you see a good deal take it but otherwise dont worry about it

[long moss]

do I use grandfather's blood on my favorite or least favorite weapon first?

[buoyant thunder]

That sounds like a you decision

[muted latch]

all up to your preference

[normal turret]

keep them early game imo

[long moss]

don't spend it at all?

why not?

[muted latch]

there are a couple weapon aspects that are very beneficial even at low levels

[buoyant thunder]

If we are talking about before you can upgrade, yes. However, I'd disagree afterwards

[muted latch]

you can always invest, go from a run, get a feel of it, then abandon

you will be back at the courtyard with the blood refunded

[buoyant thunder]

-_- They don't know about aspects yet...

[normal turret]

refund? w8

[long moss]

I don't know anything yet

[muted latch]

oh, then get keys first

[buoyant thunder]

I know. So telling you about aspects doesn't mean jack right now.

[muted latch]

get all weapons unlocked, it will show up later

right now yeah keep the blood

you cant use it atm

[normal turret]

ohh

[long moss]

tfw you don't like any of the lime mirror upgrades but you accidentally spend dark on a lime upgrade

and it was a lot of dark

[sleek axle]

you can reset the mirror

[long moss]

costs a whole key tho

[sleek axle]

keys aint that hard to get

[buoyant thunder]

They are a grind for a while

It took quite some time to unlock the mirror

[ionic scaffold]

The biggest challenge is obtaining the last mirror upgrade tbh

[long moss]

I feel like 1 key ~= 60 dark

[ionic scaffold]

4k darkness

[sleek pond]

A key takes like one run to earn

[long moss]

(the mistake costs 60 dark)

[sleek pond]

Or you can buy a key for 10 gems

Its super cheap

[buoyant thunder]

1 key definitely doesn't equal 60 dark

Darkness is a far more precious resource

[muted latch]

1 key takes one area to earn

[sleek pond]

Seriously

Its so cheap

[long moss]

ok I'll refund

[muted latch]

keys stones darkness are all farmable

[buoyant thunder]

What was the mirror upgrade?

[muted latch]

dont be very stingy about them, spend however you want

[long moss]

side note, it is worth it to trade 5 keys in for a nectar right?

[muted latch]

yep

good trade

[buoyant thunder]

I'd say so

[ionic scaffold]

the one where you can reroll either chamber room or boon/charon selections

[long moss]

thought so

cuz nectar is essential

[buoyant thunder]

No no, I got that. I was referring to Mother Pinecone's accidental purchase

[long moss]

well, essential to completion-ism
ofc you only REALLY need like 1 nectar

[hollow ledge]

what does ||fated authority|| do?

[buoyant thunder]

Lets you reroll boon choices.

[sly vigil]

That's persuasion?

[buoyant thunder]

Oh, silly me

Fated Authority can let you reroll chamber rewards.

[pastel cipher]

(to an extent)

[hollow ledge]

oh, nice

[long moss]

is it just me, or are like all of the red dark upgrades superior to the lime ones?

[ionic scaffold]

ngl I'm not that sold on fated persuasion

the one that lets you reroll chamber room

[sly vigil]

Nah, dark regen is really good

The mirror is well balanced everything has its use

Like, actually

[buoyant thunder]

True. The smaller rewards (gemstones, darkness, etc.) cannot be rerolled for the larger rewards (boons, gold, pomegranates).

Notice how the laurels of smaller rewards are blue and the larger rewards have a gold laurel.

[long moss]

I'd call darkness larger than gold lol
darkness is permanent
gold expires when you die

[sly vigil]

Well the two are also different categories

[ionic scaffold]

ok but at a certain point you won't need Darkness

esp after getting all the mirror upgrades and whatnot

[buoyant thunder]

That's fair. Blue Laurels are always permanent resources where Gold Laurels are always resources for the run

[muted latch]

getting all the mirror upgrades takes a fair amount of darkness so you'd be spending some time doing that

[sly vigil]

Well

I thought that

[long moss]

this sounds better

[buoyant thunder]

The ||resources director|| would like to have a word with you.

[sly vigil]

But at 350 hours in I'm farming for darkness again lol

[pastel cipher]

bui there's always the cosmetic stuff :3

[normal turret]

but if you wanna go for ranks you need them ||also need 3k dark for nyx favor||

[ionic scaffold]

I already paid my toll pls no

[pastel cipher]

||3.141k 😛 ||

[normal turret]

around* 🙂

[buoyant thunder]

Is that supposed to be a pi thing?

[pastel cipher]

yes

[buoyant thunder]

I appreciate that 😁

[pastel cipher]

it used to cost ||8888 darkness|| at one point in early access

I appreciate it too

[buoyant thunder]

Haha, no thanks...

[long moss]

Chthonic vit is not good though right?

[normal turret]

whoa

[buoyant thunder]

I know Haelian always takes Cthonic Vitality. I'd like to know the reasoning behind it

[sly vigil]

Did they reduce it?

Dang I paid the full price xD

[pastel cipher]

they did yeah

same Fox 😂

[sly vigil]

Amir, give me my Darkness back

AMMMIRRRRRR

[normal turret]

lol

[ionic scaffold]

is that the one where you gain health for darkness

[long moss]

no

for doing a new room

[sly vigil]

Both are good

[ionic scaffold]

well on one hand you get health for doing nothing

[sly vigil]

I'm partial to Dark Regen

But either will do you justice

[ionic scaffold]

if you NEED healing, you HAVE to pick a room with darkness

[long moss]

chthonic vit is worse than the thing that gives you 2 for every successful hit
cuz instead of being able to get roughly infinite health, though "slowly" every room, you can only get 2 each room

[ionic scaffold]

If I had to pick between darkness and gem, then the choice is obvious

But if I had to choose between darkness and a boon or a hammer (assuming I needed heals right now), I'd be boned

[buoyant thunder]

Cursed slash is a hammer, not a passive effect. I don't encourage comparing the two

[long moss]

cuz you can't get them from the same source?

[buoyant thunder]

No, because they are completely different types of resources

[pastel cipher]

because hammers are limited to 2 (3 with ||anvil||) per run and can be completely run defining

[sleek axle]

why you comparing two completely different things

[long moss]

oh
||the uncle's and aunt's keepsakes all are just focused on getting their boon next||

[buoyant thunder]

Mirror Upgrades are small passive effects that are available at the beginning of the run.
Hammer Upgrades change the behavior of either your attack or special.

[ionic scaffold]

BOOOOOOOOTTTTT

[buoyant thunder]

Correct

Except for Hermes

[long moss]

||well hermes is a cousin LOL||

[buoyant thunder]

Fair

[ionic scaffold]

Can confirm on run defining. I was so confident in my run until it sacrificed my Delta Chamber upgrade for something hot garbage. It made my run go from swell to 2/10 would not ride

[long moss]

||the thing is that after seeing aphrodite and ares's keepsakes, I now know the rest of my aunts and uncles are getting nectar LAST||

[buoyant thunder]

It is nice to be able to control your run with these keepsakes.

Especially once you have a stronger idea of what everything does

[long moss]

I can see their keepsakes having a use
but the other keepsakes are generally more important I imagine

[buoyant thunder]

No. God Keepsakes easily see the most play

[long moss]

really?

[ionic scaffold]

You're underestimating how important it is to be able to "control" what shows up

[long moss]

cuz generally sure, diff boons have diff niche bonus effects, but they're all good???

[ionic scaffold]

When you can make something designed to be random to be not so random anymore

It's a pretty significant part of builds

[long moss]

that's fair

but also
I am not going for builds rn

[ionic scaffold]

That and the God keepsakes make it so that you can make it 20% to give you rare or better

It's NEVER a bad pick

[buoyant thunder]

Since you are still new to the game, play whatever you want. Having control doesn't mean much right now. Just experiment and have fun

[long moss]

I still feel like I want to do god keepsakes last

[ionic scaffold]

Then do it

[long moss]

but I understand now that they do have a use

[ionic scaffold]

This is a single player game, we won't care

[long moss]

but its use is for builds, nothing else reallly

[buoyant thunder]

I care extremely about how much I don't care

[long moss]

LOL

[ionic scaffold]

That deserves a nectar

[buoyant thunder]

Builds are the name of the game

[long moss]

end game*

you gotta unlock everything before you start using builds

[ionic scaffold]

If I could stack doom, weak, crit, hangover, then yes I wouldn't care about "build"

[buoyant thunder]

Not sure what you mean

[sly vigil]

Yeah you do need something, but you can start having builds like 4 or 5 runs in if you know what you are doing.

[ionic scaffold]

at bare minimum, you have to unlock all the god keepsakes to start going for consistent builds

[long moss]

you should know what options you have before you stop trying to unlock everything

[sly vigil]

Yeah game knowledge plays a big part

[buoyant thunder]

... I'm not sure I am following why unlocking everything has to do with builds.

[sly vigil]

I'm just saying that in general, you don't need that much so don't resign too quickly on the "build" stuff

It comes sooner than yoy think

[buoyant thunder]

Yea. Usually it is a good idea to start thinking about the game plan as soon as you get your first boon.

[wooden trench]

Does having a boon type lower the possibilities or getting another boon of the same type?

To replace it later on

[ionic scaffold]

I start my run with Athena keepsake just so I can get deflect dash early as possible

[buoyant thunder]

What do you mean?

[wooden trench]

Let's say I pick a cast but I want to replace it later

[buoyant thunder]

You're that person I see 😆

[sly vigil]

Yes

[wooden trench]

Will I get a lower chance of getting a cast?

[sly vigil]

Exchange rate is quite low

[buoyant thunder]

Yea, fox is right. It does lower the chance of getting a different cast.

[wooden trench]

Ty

[long moss]

deflect dash is strong though right?

[sly vigil]

It's decent

[ionic scaffold]

It's just a really good defensive boon

[buoyant thunder]

It is the best dash for beginners

[long moss]

yk this game is very unique, I think for a roguelite
there's like 2 stages to play

1. unlocking everything
2. playing for fun

[ionic scaffold]

Projectiles get meme'd on

Offers good protection

etc.

[pastel cipher]

however, if you sell your cast, you have a very high chance of getting offered a cast again

[buoyant thunder]

There comes a point where you don't need to rely on it, but Divine Dash is still a nice thing to have.

[long moss]

cast is the rmb that costs a red thing to use, right?

[buoyant thunder]

Yea

[sly vigil]

Bind cast to q and special to rmb

Thank me later

[ionic scaffold]

Lets just say there's hardly a point where you'll be disappointed in Divine Dash

[buoyant thunder]

Yea, the default binding is weird

[ionic scaffold]

Because lets be real what else are you gonna get

[sly vigil]

I'm always disappointed when I got Divine Dash on Zag Bow

[long moss]

CRAP

[ionic scaffold]

HECC

[karmic tangle]

How you unlock the last aspect on a weapon

[buoyant thunder]

Tidal Dash, Passion Dash, Thunder Dash, Hunter Dash... the list goes on.

[sly vigil]

Check pinned comment in #h1-story-discussion @karmic tangle

[ionic scaffold]

I see you have the wikia page open Dackid

[sly vigil]

Hunter Dash > Divine Dash on a lot of weapons

[buoyant thunder]

No, I just have a decent chunk of boons memorized at this point.

[long moss]

I use special really often I get why you say that, but it doesn't have to be rmb it works fine on q

[buoyant thunder]

100+ hours'll do that to ya

[long moss]

though I am totally gonna make that control swap

[sly vigil]

Okie if that works for ya

[ionic scaffold]

If you're not taking divine dash then what options do you have for defense

[sly vigil]

Skill

[ionic scaffold]

[sly vigil]

😎

[buoyant thunder]

I'll accept that 😁

[ionic scaffold]

Skill can't save you from getting clipped by an AoE

Divine Dash will just tell you everything will be okay

[long moss]

I feel like cast is sorta useless until you get either a really good cast boon, or a lot of dark and upgrade the cast dark upgrades
cuz otherwise the base cast is sorta trash imo

[buoyant thunder]

Well, it can though

Base cast isn't amazing, but the cast boons do make some magic happen

[long moss]

hence me saying OR of the two

cuz either makes it valid

(though having both makes it more valid)

:P

[ionic scaffold]

I'd still shill for Divine Dash on melee weapons especially idc

[buoyant thunder]

For sure.

[ionic scaffold]

[sly vigil]

Yeah that's fair

Divine Dash is good

[ionic scaffold]

I'm not gonna get chunked for free

[sly vigil]

On melee

[buoyant thunder]

Depends. Sometimes I want weak on my enemies, so I'll take passion dash over divine dash in those circumstances.

[hollow ledge]

only boon I get from Athena

[sly vigil]

I prefer Hunter Dash on bow for a bit more oomph

[buoyant thunder]

Tidal dash is also a great offensive dash

[long moss]

maybe take this to #h1-builds-and-combat or smtn

[ionic scaffold]

and you wouldn't reserve that on your attack or special instead?

[buoyant thunder]

Not if I have something like heart rend or Low Tolerance going on

[long moss]

back on being someone that doesn't know what they're doing
before I start having a build
lucky tooth is pretty ****ing good right?

[buoyant thunder]

It is nice for sure

[ionic scaffold]

I mean it's a free DD charge

[sly vigil]

Yeah it's good

[ionic scaffold]

Esp really good in early game

[long moss]

thought so

[ionic scaffold]

Where you probably don't have enough Darkness to get that 3rd upgrade (it's pretty expensive iirc)

[sly vigil]

Another good one is Evergreen Acorn (from Eurydice)

[ionic scaffold]

Very useful in progging on bosses or new floors

[sly vigil]

It's stronger than it sounds

[long moss]

DON'T TELL ME WHAT ONES COME FROM WHERE PLEASE

[ionic scaffold]

[buoyant thunder]

Evergreen is probably one of the best defensive keepsakes

[ionic scaffold]

YA BLEW ITTTT

[sly vigil]

It's quite easy to get but sorry

I'll just mask it next time

[ionic scaffold]

Yeah just feed her a nectar and that's it

Nothing crazy

[long moss]

all of the keepsakes are equally easy to get
the only ones easier are the uncle and aunt ones cuz they're all identical

the difficulty is finding it

[buoyant thunder]

Let's be clear, they are not identical. They are just very similar

[long moss]

they are identical with the only difference being what aunt/uncle it relates to

[buoyant thunder]

i. e. Similar

[ionic scaffold]

Lets not get too hung up on these details

[buoyant thunder]

But yes, the idea behind them is the same

[ionic scaffold]

There's something I need to find out though

[buoyant thunder]

Which is?

[ionic scaffold]

So idk if I'm imagining this or not but

Lets say I have thunder attack. Will artemis's attack boon overwrite it?

even thought artemis doesn't have an effect like doom or hangover

[buoyant thunder]

If you take it, then yes

[ionic scaffold]

So it's impossible to get two attack boons of similar effect to stack

[buoyant thunder]

Only 1 boon can fill up a core weapon slot.

[sly vigil]

It's impossible to be to get 2 Strike boons simultaneously

[long moss]

it will tell you if it will replace another boon tho

[ionic scaffold]

No I'm just theorycrafting right now

I don't have the game open atm

[sly vigil]

Imagine if you get Heartbreak and Deadly Strike at the same time lol

[ionic scaffold]

Like I wanted to see if I could get a Zeus/Artemis build going but in order for that to happen, my regular attacks would need to inflict lightning and crit

[long moss]

wait, so it says I already have the blade tartarus blood, can I get a higher tier blood if I raise my heat, or can I never get another blade tartarus blood?

imagine if boons just stacked
that would be crazy op

[sly vigil]

I can tell you why but it seems you don't want spoilers

[buoyant thunder]

Also, does that mean you beat the final boss mother pinecone?

[ionic scaffold]

Dash attacks still counts as attacks, right?

Or is that its own separate category

[long moss]

I beat megaera once

that's the only boss I beat

[buoyant thunder]

Oh okay. I was just wondering how you knew about heat

[long moss]

hell mode

[ionic scaffold]

Hell yeah

[sly vigil]

Yes

[ionic scaffold]

True tryhard mode

[ionic scaffold]

so then theoretically, if I had zeus attack boon and artemis's dash strike boon, my dash attack would proc lightning as well as having a chance to crit?

[long moss]

I like hell mode cuz it isn't too hard, and it removes all easy modes

[buoyant thunder]

The heck is hell mode?

[long moss]

you are forced to have atleast 5 heat always

[sly vigil]

Yes, except Hunter Dash doesn't give crit

[long moss]

5 specific heat

[ionic scaffold]

then what does it do

[long moss]

and you can't god mode

like lol the fact god mode is otherwise accessible

[buoyant thunder]

Oh really? Interesting

[slow nest]

||as a little bonus, hell mode has Personal Liability kept on at all times, which makes you lose the iframes you would get from taking damage||

[ionic scaffold]

i thought it had something to do with crit

[sly vigil]

Increase your Dash Strike damage. So you get the lightning and bonus damage

But no crit

[ionic scaffold]

Oh that's still an increase in dps, that's still good

[long moss]

and i frames from being hit and not from dodging are sorta lame-o

[buoyant thunder]

Seems the use of hell mode runs dry over time. I always have 15+ heat nowadays.

[ionic scaffold]

I thought hell mode was a spoiler topic

I got bapped for talking about it

[sly vigil]

Nah

Well here somewhat

[long moss]

it also stops you from using god mode

[sly vigil]

Because Hell Mode implies ||heat||

Which is spoiler

[slow nest]

I see, spoilering

[pastel cipher]

||Heat|| is spoilers in this channel as an fyi

[ionic scaffold]

Yes officer this one right here

[sly vigil]

So talk about Hell Mode is fine, but mentioning of ||Heat|| is not. But that's the major and worth discussing difference though. So you get a Catch 22

[long moss]

i frames should require skill to use imo
the fact that there are i frames you get for just being hit, no skill necessary, makes me glad hell mode is an option

[buoyant thunder]

So Mother Pinecone, after ||you beat a run for the first time and have collected all the bounties for a certain weapon, then you can raise the heat and you can collect those rewards again||

Since you're always at 5, you won't have to raise it until your 5th win with that weapon.

[sly vigil]

I mean some games provide i frames so you don't die lame deaths

Like being perma stunned and die, for example

[long moss]

BTW y'all can just call me Pine(cone)
the "Mother" is sorta a joke in relation to some lgbt servers, I'd get rid of it if I had access to changing my nick
but I'd rather leave it there than get rid of it entirely

[sly vigil]

You still don't get the iframes most of the time in Normal Mode

[buoyant thunder]

Good to know Pine

[pastel cipher]

you can change your nickname afaik ^_^

[long moss]

oh I can

I think I didn't before?

[sly vigil]

I feel like people wouldn't know who I am if I change my name lol

[pastel cipher]

I'd know from the pfp 😛

[ionic scaffold]

Also I need to get this confirmed

[sly vigil]

proceeds to change pfp

[ionic scaffold]

Pom upgrades experience significant diminishing returns past lvl 3 correct?

[long moss]

frankly I would prefer the full Pinecone but because of how many people do call me just Pine I am used to it and don't complain

[buoyant thunder]

Correct

[ionic scaffold]

Then at that point it's better to upgrade its rarity

Since it has a higher base

[long moss]

you can upgrade rarity?

with what?

[sly vigil]

Yeah, except rarity is soooo hard to upgrade

And extremely unreliable

[buoyant thunder]

Well, it's easier said than done. Literally only two things'll let you do it

[ionic scaffold]

It's not if you get some AMBROSIA DELIGHT

[pastel cipher]

three*

[buoyant thunder]

Three?

[sly vigil]

Exchange

Dem

[buoyant thunder]

Oh yeah, exchanges

[long moss]

speaking of ambrosia
why is the friendly currency nectar and not ambrosia?

[ionic scaffold]

Ok well the bottom line is that I saw someone trying to argue that the pom salad thing is better than ambrosia delight and refreshing nectar

[sly vigil]

It's both.

They are used at different stages

[ionic scaffold]

And I'm like sure 4 poms is cool but how often will you find 4 boons you'd not only want to keep but they're what you need

[long moss]

what even is nectar actually?

[sly vigil]

Honey wine I think?

[long moss]

so mortal
so boring

[buoyant thunder]

Sorry your royal majesty

[long moss]

where's the fun of your heart burning inside out from not having enough godly blood to healthily consume ambrosia?

[sly vigil]

Good wine is good

[buoyant thunder]

But Ice wine is better 😎

[long moss]

also honey alchohol is mead??

[ionic scaffold]

Something like that

[long moss]

shouldn't it be called mead not nectar?

[sleek axle]

mead is norse

nectar the greek version

[long moss]

or is there a difference between honey wine and honey beer?
besides the confusion of mythologies

[sly vigil]

One is wine and one is beer

Wine usually has higher alcohol contents

[ionic scaffold]

In what situation would you take the refreshing nectar in a run?

[sly vigil]

And not made of wheat, usually

[ionic scaffold]

Usually my go to pick is ambrosia delight

[long moss]

mead contains no wheat afaik, just honey

[sly vigil]

Bad RNG and you get bad boons

[buoyant thunder]

Or if you want better Duo or Legendary chance

[sly vigil]

I mean the difference between beer and wine

[ionic scaffold]

ok so refreshing nectar CAN improve those chances

as long as it gives me the God I want

[buoyant thunder]

Maybe. Have someone else confirm that

[sly vigil]

Yeah you would get better rarity

[long moss]

ok I should start playing some more runs now

[ionic scaffold]

Does it improve rarity on all 3 boon choices or just one?

[buoyant thunder]

Enjoy.

[ionic scaffold]

I'm assuming it's all 3

[sly vigil]

Yeah

[buoyant thunder]

It is indeed

[ionic scaffold]

so it's possible to get 3 epic boons to choose from?

[buoyant thunder]

Refreshing nectar is a nice choice

It's the pomegranate option which I almost never take

[sly vigil]

Yes, not usually, but possible

[ionic scaffold]

Yeah I used to go pom salad but if I don't even have my core boons then what's even the point

[sly vigil]

Exactly

[ionic scaffold]

Now I really gotta rub it in the guy that argued pom salad was better than improving rarity

[long moss]

gg right into the first room of the escape my first upgrade is a hammer and it is a +300% dmg to armor with attacks

[buoyant thunder]

I just don't see the need for pom salad much

[sly vigil]

Well it's situational

[ionic scaffold]

Pom Salad just seems like a win more button

[buoyant thunder]

Let's not gg too soon

[sly vigil]

Don't fixate on one choice or another

[buoyant thunder]

But that is nice

[long moss]

• to arnor dmg is one of the main things you really want right?

it isn't necessary, but it can REALLY help

[buoyant thunder]

It's nice, but it doesn't do much against bosses

[sly vigil]

What weapon?

[ionic scaffold]

I feel like any form of armor shredding will make your life easier

[long moss]

attack

[ionic scaffold]

and yes against bosses that don't have much armor to begin with

But I like melting regular encounters so

It's not a total waste

[buoyant thunder]

Armor shredding is generally nice to have, I agree

[sly vigil]

Depends on weapon

For fists BC is god tier

[ionic scaffold]

Also even though pressure point gives like what, 2-3% on crit?

Being able to crit when you normally can't is still something to think on

[long moss]

oh right
I swapped q and rmb
I don't have fists yet
and the next run or so is gonna be confused controls
even if these are superior controls

[buoyant thunder]

Ah, but that is 2-3% crit on any damage

[ionic scaffold]

It's a small % but seeing how any god/goddess boons except from Artemis don't improve crit

[buoyant thunder]

Yes, but being able to crit with something like doom is something special

Like I said, ANY damage

[ionic scaffold]

Yeah I'm not sleeping on it

[sly vigil]

Except some ultra niche cases

[buoyant thunder]

I do know thunder doesn't crit though

[ionic scaffold]

Even though crit builds you kind of have to go all in with Artemis

[sly vigil]

Like explosive return xD

[buoyant thunder]

Yea. I believe lightning bolts and explosive return are the two things that can't crit

[ionic scaffold]

ngl what made me love Artemis in general was when I got Support Fire

[buoyant thunder]

Support Fire is fun

[ionic scaffold]

esp on gun or knuckles

[buoyant thunder]

Indeed

[ionic scaffold]

and its tracking is pretty decent

free dps

[sly vigil]

It used to be even better

I miss old Support Fire

[sleek pond]

Artemis goes well with any build

[buoyant thunder]

I'm guessing it was too good

[ionic scaffold]

You do kind of have to commit but yeah you can hardly go wrong

[buoyant thunder]

Even just having hunter dash or a weapon slot filled in is great as is

Artemis is a very strong god to choose from

[ionic scaffold]

Which weapons deal the highest base dmg atm?

[karmic tangle]

How do you unlock the last weapon aspect

[buoyant thunder]

Hestia and ||Arthur||

[buoyant thunder]

Go to pinned messages in #h1-story-discussion. It'll be right there

[ionic scaffold]

So would those two weapons benefit from attack boons that deal in increased attack %?

[buoyant thunder]

Sure do

[ionic scaffold]

more than say, ares or zeus?

[sleek pond]

Definitely

[ionic scaffold]

I don't think ares/zeus increases %

[sleek pond]

Zeus and Ares give their own damage. They don't scale with raw damage

[buoyant thunder]

Yea, attack percentage is the better play for these two.

[ionic scaffold]

Yeah I found it odd that ares/zeus didn't come with attack %

BUT

[sleek pond]

Generally Zeus is good on faster weapons and Ares is good for setting and forgetting

[ionic scaffold]

They have a flat dmg debuff that's pretty easy to pull off

I tried the gun with ares attack

[sleek pond]

Aphro and Arti both offer some of the best scaling for raw damage

oof

[ionic scaffold]

Not nearly as good as I wanted it to be

[sleek pond]

Yeah, doom doesn't normally apply more than once

[ionic scaffold]

Hangover would've been better but it's not much of an improvement

[sleek pond]

On special it would be decent

[ionic scaffold]

On special I'd probably want something like weak

[buoyant thunder]

You'd wanna go the dire misfortune route. On average, you'll see about 400 damage or so for each proc with a fast weapon

[sleek pond]

I just had a run with Zeus on attack and Posi on special. It was very fast

For the ||rail||**

[ionic scaffold]

is that the one where I get a dmg bonus for reapplying doom

[buoyant thunder]

Yep

[ionic scaffold]

ares and who else

aphrodite?

[buoyant thunder]

Just ares

[ionic scaffold]

oh it's not a duo boon?

Sounded like one

[buoyant thunder]

Dire misfortune does 14 extra damage for every time you hit it with doom before it procs

So you can stack doom

Well, rare gives 14 extra damage

[sly vigil]

In theory it works well with Impending Doom

[buoyant thunder]

It is a very nice combination to have

[sleek pond]

imo impending doom with a slower attack of some kind is better, because then you can kite and hide. But yes, Dire Misfortune is faster.

[sly vigil]

But then Merciful End shows up instead and robs its thunder.

[ionic scaffold]

I was on a knuckle run and I got the duo boon combo from ares/athena

That was something else

[sly vigil]

Did you get Divine Dash also?

[ionic scaffold]

Do I look like the kind of guy that starts his run with the Athena keepsake

ofc I did

[sly vigil]

Lul

[buoyant thunder]

Merciful End is such a common build to where I practically go out of my way to avoid it so I can try other things.

[ionic scaffold]

It's pretty nutty

[buoyant thunder]

So are other things

[ionic scaffold]

That singlehandedly gets rid of Doom's only downside: Waiting

[sleek pond]

I tried three seperate times to get Merciful End and only got it once

It was worth it, but, two runs sucked

[buoyant thunder]

Oof

[ionic scaffold]

You know what really butters my eggrolls

Epic Side Hustle

In Asphodel

[sleek pond]

that thing can be disgustingly good

[rain oracle]

Nice

[ionic scaffold]

I don't think Hermes can show up in Tartarus

[sleek pond]

I'll even take it in Elysium just to get another boon or two in Styx

[ionic scaffold]

Not like you'd want to

[sleek pond]

He can, it's just rare

I got it near the end of Tartarus one time and I don't know how to make it happen again

[karmic tangle]

Ok what’s the best aspect for the shield

[ionic scaffold]

||Whatever you happen to be good at||

[sly vigil]

What if they don't know what they are good at

[sleek pond]

Chaos is generally said to be one of the strongest.

[sly vigil]

Only if you can upgrade it though

Early on Chaos is underwhelming

[sleek pond]

Yes, it needs blood for the blood god

imo the 4th aspect is the strongest, but I'm not a speedrunner or a power player, so, take that as whatever you like.

[ionic scaffold]

I hate Chaos shield

Max it or don't bother

It feels terrible at lvl 1

It's just a zag shield with an alt skin

[polar smelt]

zeus shield is pretty pog as well

I think shield actually has the most repeatability cause all the aspects are unique and good

[sharp lintel]

i use aspect of chaos for chaos' reactions

[fresh current]

Zag shield is the cheapest one by far and will show you excellent returns

Zeus shield is a barrel full of fun too!

[weary vector]

Zag Shield is great

Giving || Hades || a pounding headache with Dionysus and the shield carried me on my first successful run

[worldly flicker]

i did it! i finally beat meg and the hydra (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*:･ﾟ✧

[weary vector]

Onwards and upwards lad

[worldly flicker]

yeah elysium is really pretty :D

[weary vector]

The art in this game is amazing

[uneven ledge]

elysium is pretty, but what's gonna happen to you when you have to fight soul catchers isn't

[wooden trench]

^

also

the shielded butterfly ball

[fresh current]

On the bright side the Big Butterfly Boi is a great DPS bellweather! if you can burn him down quickly, you're run is officially solid 👍🏻

[fluid yoke]

just use heart rend chiron

lol

ok that was a joke to be clear but elysium is tough and if you can melt it you're doing amazing

[worldly flicker]

i hate butterflies now

pink bastards

[noble tiger]

skull crushers are vibe checkers

[wooden trench]

me

[regal patio]

After 100 hours in this game, I still kill those butterfly balls first.

[rough wren]

im wondering if I should go for the room reroll or the boon reroll hmm

[muted latch]

for most runs take persuasion

authority is kinda niche, mostly used for boonless or runs that needs very specific things like a lot of poms

[fresh current]

So for me Room Reroll/Reward Reroll comes down to “am I playing for zeus/artemis or no”

Outside of those two gods a healthy mix is always nice

But when dealing with those two you sort of dont care which boons you get, you just want more more more

And Room Rerolling is good for tweaking the RNG in that direction

But outside of really having fun with zeus and arty at lower difficulties Reward Rolling is generally the go to choice

Don’t let that stop you though, Room Reroll Zeus runs are some of the most action-movie fun in the game. Get zeus’d up bro

[cyan vault]

I kinda feel like getting to pick my boons is preferred over getting to pick my rooms.

[wooden trench]

thing is

you get to pick boons

but

[fresh current]

It is, the only exception again being Zeus and Artemis

[wooden trench]

you don't get to pick rooms

that is pure rng

[fresh current]

Where you don’t really care where the boons go, you just always want more

[wooden trench]

and can be real uhh... messy

👍

[fresh current]

+4 more total artemis boons over a run can be as or more valuable than rerolling her pool. Accuracy through volume and such

But again, this is specific to Zeus and Artemis

The other gods don’t really play like that, those two are the “gimme-more” snowball gods

For an example, a lucky FA run will see you walking out of tartarus with a build that could take you till Styx to get online ordinarily

[cyan vault]

https://tenor.com/view/more-star-wars-kylo-ren-gif-15168091

[fresh current]

^^^^^^^

The Zeus and Arty way

Arty is a little more “shoe-horn-able” into runs than limited amounts of zeus

Which means I would weigh Zeus above all when playing like this

[cyan vault]

Admittedly hadn’t rerolled a door. I’ll give it a go when I aim at maxing arty’s keepsake.

[fresh current]

But both are excellent candidates for pursuing Room Rerolling

[wooden trench]

Also

for room rerolling

[fresh current]

So the other nice thing about Room Rolling is A: you get 2x the charges. 8 whole rolls out of the gate! And B: Rolls only ever cost one charge! You can roll the same room 8 times in a row and it will only cost you 8 charges!

[wooden trench]

since this is for new players

blue and golden rooms are different things and you'll get a golden or blue room still even if you reroll it

[fresh current]

Yes^^^^^

[wooden trench]

so keep that in mind

[fresh current]

Permanent rewards like darkness and keys and Run-specific rewards like gold, health, hammers and boons operate on separate tracks

And the streams do not cross

You will never ever roll darkness into a boon and vise versa

[cyan vault]

Good to know

[fresh current]

But that actually tends to help, since it splits the reward pool in half for the things you do want to use your rolls for

Which is pretty much always run-specific rewards

Like turning a heart into a boon

[cyan vault]

Pairs well with the mirror upgrade that increases boons

[fresh current]

You can also roll your way into double boon rooms 😁🤫

[wooden trench]

if you aren't sure of the room color you can tell by looking at the door

[fresh current]

Or just ask yourself “Will I lose this when I die?”

If the answer is yes or no you’ve determined your track

[wooden trench]

yeah

[fresh current]

If it doesn’t accompany you back to the house of Hades it goes in one track

If it does it goes in the other

Nice and simple 👍🏻

[polar smelt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/520688402958516254/660997121406926849/hades_room_rewards_guide.png?width=1119&height=683

[cyan vault]

With hammer as the exception

[fresh current]

Yeah this ^^^^^^

You lose hammers when you die boo 😘

You dont start the next run with that hammer still equipped, do you?

[polar smelt]

can you imagine stacking hammer upgrades

damn that's be nasty

[fresh current]

Lollllllll

The mod potential with this game seems silly

With some of the things that could exist like that

[cyan vault]

Do they cap hammers?

[wooden trench]

one thing I'm not really sure about

[cyan vault]

Could you take the shackles and reroll rooms to get all the hammers?

[wooden trench]

do npc doors take the place of a different chamber? let's say I'm trying to get the pierced butterfly to the max I can

if I go into npc chamber I lose a battle

right?

[fluid yoke]

yeah

[formal rover]

you can’t get more than 2 hammers in a run

[wooden trench]

ripp

[fluid yoke]

you can get 3

[formal rover]

3 with the anvil

[fluid yoke]

with the hammer thing at anvil

[formal rover]

indeed

[fluid yoke]

but thats always a risk

if oyu don't want to lose a good hammer you have or gain one that could mess with your build

[wooden trench]

if you have bad hammers tho

stonks

[fluid yoke]

i.e. cursed slash on a sword build when you aren't planning for it messing with your health

[wooden trench]

oh that's true

[cyan vault]

So could you also take the hammer on a door reroll run to limit the pool even further

Still got a lot to learn I guess.

I’ve tried to focus on one side of the mirror and max them before switching over.

Upgrading the boom reroll now. Is 3k the last one?

And I can also push the epic rarity chance one.

[fluid yoke]

uh