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flint pulsar
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PS and boiling

rich cave
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Exactly, I never turn off ||tight deadline 3 or forced overtime|| at this point

sleek axle
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Why are yall talking about this in new players

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Move it to other places yall

flint pulsar
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Sorry

leaden whale
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Hello there guyz

fresh current
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It’s good training weights y’all. You should try it sometime 😉 ||make good builds without cheating and it’ll make you better at it once you can||

sleek axle
fluid yoke
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yeah lets not

leaden whale
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Hades is wonderful.

fluid yoke
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continue this is confusing new people

rich cave
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It is

sleek axle
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Indeed it is

fluid yoke
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hello new player

fresh current
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So it is seeddinna, so it is

leaden whale
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I got to the 21th chamber in my 3th run, is that normal or am i a noob

keen oracle
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Seems pretty normal, if not above average

fluid yoke
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youre doing fine

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above average i think

leaden whale
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He he

fluid yoke
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took me way more than 3 runs to get into asphodel

leaden whale
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Thanks to Aphrodite

rich cave
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For most people it takes about 7-10 runs to make it out of Tartarus

leaden whale
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She is ma favorite for now

sleek pond
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It's above average for sure, or you got really really lucky

fluid yoke
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meg is a massive barrier

modern ivy
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tata is first lvl?

leaden whale
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I think i was lucky

leaden whale
fluid yoke
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tartarus is the first region

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asphodel is the second

sleek pond
uneven ledge
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took me like uh

modern ivy
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I used spear special to clear tartarus in my 5th run i think

leaden whale
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I feel bad that i got an... elixir, was it? And i gifted it to Artemis.

uneven ledge
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3-4 tries to get out of tartarus?

modern ivy
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Took hella long tho

leaden whale
uneven ledge
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and then i proceeded to take 27 runs to beat the final boss shadegrief

flint pulsar
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Kekw

leaden whale
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And the worst part is
Exactly right now
I entered a chamber that her message was it's gift
The next chamber's gift is
Elixir

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!@#$%$^&*(

keen oracle
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I’m assuming the elixer is in a round bottle?

sleek pond
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It took me 46 to beat my first run. But I'm also the type of person that sucks at something until I've done it several times, and then I'm just good after that. At this point I think I have more wins than losses against the final boss.

leaden whale
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Yes, with yellow liquid. That... does something with the wardrobe or something like that?

flint pulsar
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It took about 18 runs but I have tons of hours into rouguelikes

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So idk

sleek pond
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Nah Hades was a different beast for me. None of my hours of Diablo 2 helped lmao

modern ivy
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I took 37 runs to clear last boss

keen oracle
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That is called nectar, and it is purely for giving to characters so they are better friends with you

leaden whale
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Wait is it possible to escape the underworld?? I thought this is going to be endless...

fluid yoke
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yeah i have more clears than losses as wlel

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took a while thoughj

leaden whale
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And maybe Zeus

keen oracle
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Nice

sleek pond
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That doesn't progress the story as much as you might think

leaden whale
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Ok ok do not tell me lemme find that out myself

flint pulsar
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Ooo

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Goodluck have fun!

leaden whale
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Either there is no ending at all, or the gods of Olymus is going to betray you, but i wanna find that out myself do not spoil plz.

flint pulsar
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Yessir

keen oracle
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But yeah just pick your favorite characters and advance your relationship with them, although I would personally give at least 1 nectar to everyone first since they each give you a special item to help you out in runs

leaden whale
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Hello

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Hm-hm. Nice tips.

keen oracle
leaden whale
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Very new to Hades, just bought it last night

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Btw, Artmis has good powers as well. Her special... boon is good, combined with the bow.

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I like the bow, but i'm not much of a range guy

sleek axle
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Coronacht

leaden whale
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The Chaos Shield was really neat

keen oracle
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I like the ||Gun||

leaden whale
sleek axle
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It's a difficult name to remember

leaden whale
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but the Sword you start with is prolly my fav

sleek axle
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Don't worry about it

leaden whale
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With that... hammer upgrade (made my arrows explosive, 4x damage) and the heartbreaker effect from Aphrodite and companionship of other dudes, i made it to the 21 chamber. Thank you buddies.

sleek pond
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Everyone has a favorite weapon but try not to have too much of a favorite. Use all the weapons.

flint pulsar
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Nice!

leaden whale
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Will i lose my nectar if i die before gifting it?

flint pulsar
sleek axle
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No you won't

fluid yoke
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nope

sleek pond
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No, Nectar stays between runs

sleek axle
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You'll still have it

fluid yoke
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nectar is a permanent resource

sleek axle
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You just lose the coin

fluid yoke
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all blue doors give permanent resources

leaden whale
# flint pulsar ?wdym

If i have found a nectar
And die before giving it to a god
Well will i use that nectar after coming out of the blood pool and that "there is no escape" thing?

flint pulsar
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O

fluid yoke
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darkness, gems, keys, nectar

leaden whale
fluid yoke
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kept between runs and you can spend them on many things

leaden whale
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I know about darkness and keys.

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Gems? You mean those building resources?

flint pulsar
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Mhm

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And you can use it for trades later

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At the house

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((Sory if I spoiled idk didn't feel like a spoiler

sleek pond
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It's so funny, gemstones used to be my least favorite resource and now it's up there with nectar. Oh how the tables have turned.

flint pulsar
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Yea

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housebuilding

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clash of clans type beat

sleek pond
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Well I mostly use it for exchanging and gold, but that too.

leaden whale
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wait which one's nectar?

flint pulsar
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Yellow liquid

leaden whale
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oh

sleek pond
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It feels like the most efficient way to farm up some of those higher end resources.

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It's definitely orange

flint pulsar
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Looks like a yellow orange potion

leaden whale
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oh, oki

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i think i had the opportunity to get nectar, but i passed it up for that pom of power

flint pulsar
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Yuh

steep rune
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is there a way to let thanatos spawn faster? I have him at the locked heart but can't progress the story, haven't met him in over 10 runs

keen oracle
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All you lose when you die, are your coins, and occasionally a small part of your soul

modern ivy
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Merciful end is proced by ares or atehna

flint pulsar
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The last bit is a joke

sleek axle
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You may also lose your happiness and sanity

leaden whale
sleek axle
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Ye

leaden whale
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oh wait nvm i'm stupidzaglol

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Guys guys pray for me

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What was that gals name? Mog? Ancient blood?

flint pulsar
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Meg?

leaden whale
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Well i am fighting her with 3 hp rn 😐
And just got hit now i have 1hp

leaden whale
flint pulsar
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Yup

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Rip

leaden whale
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Nuh her health is low

sleek axle
leaden whale
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I could survive it

modern ivy
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3rd clear with spear, think im more worthy now

leaden whale
flint pulsar
modern ivy
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Wanted merciful end but didnt come 😦

modern ivy
leaden whale
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Bad news: she hit me
Good news: i had that... third perk that u need to unlock with darkness that will revive you

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You are done for, girl

flint pulsar
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Niceèee

leaden whale
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HAHAHA just killed her

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DIE

flint pulsar
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Wp

leaden whale
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And plz, die for real this time. Harming a girl is not in my blood

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Plz die for real this time

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Do not come back

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Dunno man, go to...

rich cave
flint pulsar
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but she usually gives the pain

leaden whale
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But i do not enjoy harming others
Specially women
Seemp

heavy heron
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hahaha i was stuck on mog not long ago

uneven ledge
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oh don't worry you're gonna be hitting a lot of pretty ladies on your way to the surface

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not just meggy

heavy heron
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im not through asphodel at all yet

sleek pond
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Ah yes, ||Tis. The most beautiful sister.||

uneven ledge
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look on the bright side, on the occurrences meg shows up in the house you can give her stuff

rich cave
uneven ledge
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:tissy:

modern ivy
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About the sword|| I know about arthur blade but how do i unlock it exactly i know i need 5 titans blood in sword first but what after||

floral nacelle
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||do you already have guan Yu unlocked? Then, yeah, you need to have 5 titan blood in sword and talk to nyx||

flint pulsar
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||have you reveled aspect of guan yu? If so then keep talking ti nyx||

rich cave
modern ivy
fresh current
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@leaden whale it’s cool, she’s obv into it. She is a literal Fury after all

polar smelt
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||guys should we mention that he needs to reveal guan yu and speak to nyx||

sleek pond
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||Basically all weapon hidden aspects require Guan Yu + 5 blood invested in that weapon + enough nectar for those specific characters the weapon is tied to||

keen oracle
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Forget adding more gods what we really need is the ability to befriend tisiphone

modern ivy
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||I already unlocked guanyu||

polar smelt
fresh current
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Romance Tisiphone Sidequest or We Riot

rich cave
floral nacelle
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Yeah, I don’t think it’s tied to ||friendship, but obviously getting through more of their backlogged dialogue helps||

leaden whale
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Is dashing into projectile is safe? I mean, like invulnerability, judging... those classic stuff.

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If you know what i mean

fresh current
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Yes

rich cave
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You can dash through projectiles if you time it right

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It’s 100% safe if you have divine dash from Athena

leaden whale
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Ok...

fresh current
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If you have played gungeon the same law of the jungle applies

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Dash into things, not away from them

leaden whale
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And hyper light drifter

fresh current
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Yuppp you know what you're doing

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No reinventing the wheel here

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Which weapons do you like so far @leaden whale

leaden whale
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For now, the spear is still unlocked

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I like the bow really much.

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Whoa
That posideon dude
Just gave me a call

flint pulsar
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Ooo

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Nice

leaden whale
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Will i regenerate that... yellow bar?

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I am afraid to use F

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Press F to pay respect

sleek pond
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Yes. If you don't use it it goes away at the end of combat.

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So always use it, or try to.

dapper trail
devout breach
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you might as well use your call in every room if it’s filling up that fast

leaden whale
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Now i have lost that yellow bar
How to regenerate it

sleek pond
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I always dash to the side and never had an issue.

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Take damage or deal damage.

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That's how the bar fills

leaden whale
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Well 😐
I have dealt a lot

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But the god gauge has empetied itself

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And now i can't regen

flint pulsar
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It empties after each room

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And if you use it it starts to go down

dapper trail
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is hades tough>

sleek pond
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Use it or lose it.

flint pulsar
sleek pond
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It's not a difficult game strictly speaking

flint pulsar
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Even if you are a rougelike/rougelite veteran

dapper trail
flint pulsar
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Its gonna be a challenge/take quite a bit of runs

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Its not like dark souls levels of hard until a mechanic later on but its pretty hard imo

dapper trail
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The thing I like is that the dungeons are random not the same thing with the boons so it does not feel old..Always fresh

flint pulsar
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Esp if you're new to rouguelikes

flint pulsar
dapper trail
flint pulsar
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There's a build you can do to get like 75 dodge chance

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And its rlly funny

sleek pond
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Oh boy, I've gotten seversl clears with the weirdest builds

dapper trail
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Even if i lose it does not feel frustuating

flint pulsar
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Yea!

dapper trail
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Cuz everytime its a new experience

flint pulsar
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Because you can progress story

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Through talking

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And gifting

dapper trail
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that's a pretty unique thing to this game

flint pulsar
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Yup

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Dying doesn't feel punishing

dapper trail
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True

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And its just a pleasure to look at

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Is it available for android since i have a friend who does not have laptop

sleek pond
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Its available for console too, including the switch. But not mobile.

dapper trail
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:(

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How do we get keepsakes

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I have got 3 runs in and no keepsakes

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is it unlucky?

flint pulsar
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Gotta gift

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The people

dapper trail
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To whom

flint pulsar
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The first time you gift

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To any npc

dapper trail
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Gift?

flint pulsar
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Thats giftable

dapper trail
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Inside the dungeon

flint pulsar
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They give you keepsake

dapper trail
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Or outside it

flint pulsar
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Inside and out

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Such as gods or the people in the house

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And the first time you give them nectar they give you keepsakes

severe gazelle
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ayy

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hades became one of my favourite games in a short time

dapper trail
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Talk to ya after getting my ass kicked

severe gazelle
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like ares said kill them before they hit you

flint pulsar
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Bubye

severe gazelle
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btw guys who is your favourite god in the game

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mine is ares and athena then after them i will go with the god of wine

flint pulsar
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Gameplay wise Athena

sleek pond
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Lorewise or boonwise

flint pulsar
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Personality wise I'd say dio

sleek pond
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Posiden for sure

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For both

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He's like that cool uncle that gives you dangerous stuff but also makes sure you're careful with it

uneven ledge
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hard to say which is my favourite god

flint pulsar
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OO

uneven ledge
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a lot of them are really great

flint pulsar
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AND POSIDEN

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POSIDEN IS A BROOO

sleek pond
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I also like pushing things into walls for 400% damage and splashing waves

stray terrace
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artemis definitely

flint pulsar
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Ooo

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Artemis is nice too

uneven ledge
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poseidon is great because of how much potential his boons have, you can't go wrong with artemis and aphrodite is just like "you can deal lots of damage AND make your enemies deal less damage AND also make yourself deal even more damage"

severe gazelle
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i like artemis only for her call

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i like those massive arrows

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because other calls are not that great

flint pulsar
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Then you are

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Severely wrong

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Athena not greater call my bae

uneven ledge
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dio/zeus call + smouldering air + second wind + billowing strength 😩 👌

flint pulsar
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Or that

sleek pond
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Posiden really be like "yo dawg i herd u lik pushing stuff so we put more push on your push so you can shove em while you shove em"

fresh current
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Dionysus canonically hates on Theseus and think’s he’s a punk so he is coolest god by default

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And that’s before you get to the fact that Dionysus is the ultimate chad

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Though admittedly Poseidon is also in the canonically hating on Theseus category

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Oof this just became a tough call

fresh current
severe gazelle
fresh current
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It's certainly a tier or above

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It's the only defensive call but it's a doozy

uneven ledge
fresh current
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I will permit Chad Dionysus and Brosideon to occupy the office in joint

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They are both total bros so they'd be cool with it

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Actually Poseidon would get jealous and mad

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But Dio would talk him down and get him drunk

reef bough
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Huh...Zag Shield Charge is pretty OP on low heat huh

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Just beat another run with literally no real synergy boons

fresh current
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Zag shield is OP on low heat

reef bough
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Just spamming charge

fresh current
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Zag shield SS tier noob cannon ❤️

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best in game

dapper trail
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How to beat skelly bois

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They finished two of my runs

uneven ledge
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the ones in tartarus?

dapper trail
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Fire ones

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who throw fire bombs i guess?\

twilit kraken
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hey im new player and i used all of my titan bloods on chiron bow was that wrong ? and can i use other players save file on steam ?

severe gazelle
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wait what ._.

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you sued your titan blood on the bow?

twilit kraken
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yes

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i think i did wrong ? xd

severe gazelle
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i mean idk if im the only one who has to at least keep 2 or 3 of anything in his inventory

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it might be good if you realy like the bow

uneven ledge
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chiron is really nice with upgrades

severe gazelle
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but im not a fan of bows

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i punch with my twin fists to death

uneven ledge
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if you get artemis special just build around it. easy game gg

severe gazelle
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what do you mean build around it

rich cave
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Go for certain boons that work well with it

severe gazelle
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don't forget this is new players chat

twilit kraken
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i did not save so now i have 6 titan blood how should i use them

severe gazelle
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we don't know tactics or anything

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@twilit kraken use some of them on your favourite weapon that you know you will use

rich cave
severe gazelle
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the last 2 weapons that i don't wnat to spoil have a strategy that i realy like

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when you get the "your attacks inflict doom" and "you can stack doom effect"

rich cave
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If you want you can buy an aspect and use it on skelly, then force quit and it’ll give you your titan blood back

severe gazelle
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with the last 2 its so deadly

twilit kraken
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i like sword spear and bow which one you guys prefer with which aspect

rich cave
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Out of those three, spear with Achilles or bow with Chiron

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But those are my 3 least favorite weapons lol

severe gazelle
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ye

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but

fresh current
uneven ledge
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deadly strike on those two weapons works better imo

severe gazelle
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i like the ||fists|| then spear second

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i like the first upgrade on the ||fists||

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||that one when you pull people with your special||

rich cave
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Fists isn’t a spoiler lol

severe gazelle
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ok

rich cave
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The only things that are considered spoilers regarding weapons are the names of the hidden aspects

fresh current
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That said @twilit kraken now that you're down this road I command you to put every titan blood into chiron until its maxxed out. You've made a great choice, but the compromise of that choice is you need to prioritize getting it to Max level now, because Chiron needs 100% to be truly great

severe gazelle
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ok then is there a good upgrade for the fists?

fresh current
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Several

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Honestly all

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Put one point into talos to see if you like how it plays

rich cave
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My favorite is aspect of demeter but talos and zag are also very good

severe gazelle
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i like the first one to pull people then punch them

twilit kraken
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i dont like fist

uneven ledge
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all of the fist aspects are great

fresh current
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Otherwise the other two aspects are easy to understand

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That's talos

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Talos is great

fluid yoke
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talos is fun

fresh current
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My favorite weapon

uneven ledge
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the zag aspect is my favourite on fists because of the dodge chance

fluid yoke
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would recommend it if youre not a fan of the zag fists

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because the pullling gives you more range?

severe gazelle
fluid yoke
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essentially

severe gazelle
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you know it hits fast

uneven ledge
twilit kraken
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for now because i couldnt use the fist properly

reef bough
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Is charge-uppercut considered an charge attack or special attack or both?

fresh current
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Very important noob tip for Talos

severe gazelle
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guys guys i had to ask this

fresh current
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Learn Meathook Cancelling

severe gazelle
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how to get titan blood after you killed meg with all the weapons

fluid yoke
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dw youll find out

uneven ledge
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a great way of using the fists right is to just dash around the enemy repeatedly landing dash-strikes to keep chaining hits

fluid yoke
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you will be able to get more

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just not rn

severe gazelle
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cool

rich cave
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Best fists boon is Zeus attack

uneven ledge
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there's lots more ways to get titan blood

severe gazelle
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i thought i already got stocked out

fluid yoke
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you will be able to get alot alot

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more

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of it

severe gazelle
fluid yoke
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and faster than rn

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so

reef bough
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Is dash-uppercut considered as
A) Special Attack
B) Dash Attack
C) Both?

fresh current
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Stacking doom is a noob trap

severe gazelle
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i guess C

rich cave
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Very high dps with lightning attack

severe gazelle
reef bough
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It gets both bonuses?

fresh current
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Avoid until later when you understand what kind of weapons really suit it

severe gazelle
uneven ledge
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i've never actually tried thunder strike with fists lol

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i always just go artemis or aphro

fresh current
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At first think of doom as purely fire and forget damage

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You dont want it on a rapid strike weapon, it’s 100% a waste

rich cave
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If anything put doom on special

severe gazelle
fresh current
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Even much later in the game it’s still largely that

uneven ledge
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doom isn't exactly the best pick for rapid-fire weapons

fresh current
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Yes put doom on special 24/7 in most cases

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With one exception @uneven ledge

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But yes, generally not a good idea

uneven ledge
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you'll wanna get artemis or zeus on attack because in those cases they don't need an extra boon to be good

fresh current
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Mmhmmmmm

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Arty and Zeus are great fist picks for attack

severe gazelle
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ok i will try zeus on my fists

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wait zeus or artemis?

fresh current
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If you get a little bit of Zeus keep trying to get Zeus

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He is unique like that

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Start with Zeus

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But in general in this game

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If you get a little bit of Zeus

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You almost always want a lot more Zeus to with that

uneven ledge
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poseidon is also actually a good pick for rail if you're early into a run

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it's meh at first but has lots of potential

fresh current
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I could see it. Safe, defensive

severe gazelle
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so in conclusion get doom for special and zeus/artemis for rapid firing weapons like fists

fresh current
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Play lame win game is a very real strategy, especially early on in the game

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Correct

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Doom for special is more of a general rec

civic blaze
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rail + zeus attack + artemis special = GG

severe gazelle
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well i was just wrong the whole time

fresh current
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I wouldn’t actually specifically hunt doom special on fists myself for other reasons, but I’m not going to correct that here

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Come talk to me about that again when you’ve cleared 5 ||heat|| lol

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Or even 1

uneven ledge
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||heat|| is a spoiler

fresh current
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Sorry sorry

severe gazelle
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:(

fresh current
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I’m terrible about that

uneven ledge
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you'll find out much later until then you don't get anything more than that

fresh current
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Dont worry fandy. what you have there will carry you far. You have yet begun to soar little icarus, your wings need not be completely perfect yet

severe gazelle
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i think i reached about the end of the game

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i beat elysium boss

fresh current
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Then you’re about 0.75% of the way in 😘

uneven ledge
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also if the boons thing for the codex shows up at the contractor get it immediately it is SO helpful

fresh current
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Yes that^^^^^

severe gazelle
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what?

fresh current
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You heard me

severe gazelle
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0.75%

fresh current
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Death Is Not The End

severe gazelle
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you mean 75%

fresh current
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No I do not

severe gazelle
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._.

uneven ledge
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no longer do you have to go through the hassle of opening the wiki

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fandy you're very far from 75%

fresh current
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This is a long game that you will run much, much more than once. Sit back and enjoy the ride

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That you will run and complete**

severe gazelle
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i thought elysium was the before last place >.<

fresh current
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You’re misunderstanding the scale of game I’m talking about here

uneven ledge
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well yeah

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there's much more to it than making it to styx and beating up the final boss

severe gazelle
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but you guys didnt tell me why doom stacking is bad

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i mean it can be litterly 300 damage with one hold

dapper trail
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How to beat the skelton brothers who use fireballs

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They ended two of my runs

severe gazelle
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its pretty easy just keep attacking until you see a bomb and dash away

dapper trail
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Ok so dashing continuously is the trick

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Hmmm

severe gazelle
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don't be greedy for unnecessarily hits

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because those bombs hit hard

dapper trail
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Ikr

uneven ledge
fresh current
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Doom stacking is bad because it can easily be outpaced by other gods

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Like, easily

severe gazelle
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o_o

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ok

fresh current
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It's value add is not good next to what toy could be getting

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Doom is for slow hitting large chunks of fire and forget damage

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Adding 14 damage per hit to 300 is not really a good value add

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Even on builds that happen to call for stacking doom purely by coincidence, it's still kind of icing on top. There are other doom boons even that are much more impactful on doom’s damage output

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Like impending doom, which should be a hard yes every time you see it

stray terrace
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doom stacking is good for quick things like fist or gun attack

uneven ledge
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but then you might as well go for artemis or zeus and make up more powerful builds around those

rich cave
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^

fresh current
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Exactly. Doom stacking is kind of only relevant on hidden bow maybe?? And as a happy accident for ME builds

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Hidden bow or rail attack with ricochet, I’ll concede

floral nacelle
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Doom stacking isn’t even that good on hidden bow, I’d focus on attack for hidden bow

fresh current
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Yeah doom stacking is just kind of cheeks

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Which would be a bigger problem if doom wasn’t great already without it

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You just have to run in the opposite direction and make sure you hunt for Impending Doom

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Now theres some difference making damage

uneven ledge
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doom stacking is nice but i just don't see how it would be a better choice than just deadly strike and doing everything you can to make your crits more effective

humble ore
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OMG ME with fists is op! Destroyed Alecto in <30 seconds and no damage!

uneven ledge
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get divine dash

humble ore
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Imma destroy this game

uneven ledge
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do it

humble ore
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And I have dash

uneven ledge
#

curse of agony + divine dash + merciful end on fists is gg

leaden whale
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the only bad thing with ME is that after playing it, i feel like i'm not doing dmg with any other build 🙂

fresh current
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I know, ME is a perception-altering experience

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I really dont know how they let it in the game

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Ares is tied for the 2 most broken duos and its not close lol

analog radish
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helowerew

fresh current
#

Hellur

sly vigil
fresh current
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Jesus jones how

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How is that possible

sly vigil
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It's interesting how people perceive Doom

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Despite no change

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People used to to think Ares is terrible

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Then ME discovery happened

sly vigil
fresh current
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I thought ares was cool from the moment I fired up the game and didn’t know any better 😎

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Oh wow

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That’s big

sly vigil
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Yeah Divine Dash "nerf" was kinda big

fresh current
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Can you imagine proccing a 3rd curse consistently on top of ME 😳

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Artemis or zeus special with fists ME shadefear

keen oracle
#

Why doesn’t ||lament of Orpheus have lyrics|| when you buy it from the music tab

fresh current
#

Or god, Demeter or dio would be brutal in that mix too

keen oracle
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I feel ripped off

fresh current
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Same, I wish the poet knew more songs

sly vigil
wicked wagon
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Hello! I'm new in the game and I have a question:|| I finished the first run and beat Hades like a few times, but I don't know if the lore is still going or not, someone can explain me if there's more?||

fluid yoke
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theres still more

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theres hours and hours of content

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your first few clears are only the start

wicked wagon
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Very good! Thank you! ❤️

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Oh another one, is useful to continue the gifts for the npcs or is just for lore?

abstract steeple
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I believe ||It's useful to 'fill' a few NPCs affection to get a few more quests, but I would focus on one or two at a time past the first one||

wicked wagon
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Ok then, thank you again

fluid yoke
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yeah

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if youre going for completion you will want to gift everyone alot

humble ore
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Finally finished my first run ever!

quiet shell
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congrats

sly vigil
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Ay

fresh current
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Congrats @humble ore !! Welcome to the ME club 😁

fluid yoke
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congrats

worldly vigil
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I want to try a ME build now lol. Doom on special and athena on attack?

wicked wagon
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congrats!

fresh current
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Either or

worldly vigil
#

Also, congrats on first clear!!

fresh current
#

But usually that would be the configuration, yes

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Unless you’re on a melee run, then you want doom on attack and Athena on dash. You need the special to be able to activate ME but after that it’s along for the ride and your dash is actually what procs ME

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But that’s a little more complicated and really trying to push it. ME is powerful all on its own, and the conventional configuration would be Athena attack and ares special

severe gazelle
#

what is the difference between +1 rarity and +1 level

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im at that girl in the lava and i don't know how to choose becasue i don't know the difference

leaden whale
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they are 2 differents way of improving your boons

severe gazelle
#

but what is the difference

leaden whale
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rarity improve the base value of your boon (and also how much you gain per level)

severe gazelle
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oh ok makes sense

leaden whale
#

also, some boon can't gain level but can gain rarity

sleek pond
#

Her rarity upgrade is usually better unless you haven't pommed anything

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Or you have tons of boons

keen oracle
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Dusa the second I have enough lounge contracts: adios

languid badge
#

@analog tree Add spoiler

worldly vigil
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How do I get ||Hades keepsake? I have already gotten 10 clears, but I don't have the option to give him a second nectar||

leaden whale
#

@analog tree ||you need to put all about hades and after beating the game in spoiler. Beating 1 heat doesn't give you the reward for 0 heat, because 0 heat is managed on his own. After that, beating any heat will give one the reward for beating the lowest heat you don't have on that weapon (at least 1). But that not cumulative, you get only the reward for the lowest heat, not the reward for all heat between the lowest you have and the one you beat||

sly vigil
leaden whale
#

Whoa guyz
Just got to the... 37th chamber on my 9th try

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Is that normal? Am i a noob?

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I just penetrated the poor hydra and the whole Elysium (That jungle area) in my 9th try but could not beat those 2 fools...

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Elysium is hard, it's normal to have some trouble here at first

fresh current
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Well, to be honest, you died on a run at 0 so in the grand scheme of things yes you are

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But progression involves getting somewhere, dying, then trying again so there’s nothing to be upset over that

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what weapon were you using? What did you die to?

severe gazelle
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i did a troll run lol

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i did a run to get the fated list i only get the boons with the "fated chosen" thing

fresh current
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done plenty of those lol

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How’d it turn out for ya

severe gazelle
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even thought i did a run all the way to elysium boss i didnt complete a single one

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well they are gettings complex after i finished around 5

fresh current
#

Ohhhh thats fine, the lists are long. Making a good dent in one is an accomplishment

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You’re only allowed 2 hammers per run anyway

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Just focus on one item on the list at a time per run

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Helps you as a player too

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“Ok this time I’m going to try to incorporate curse of nausea to get the list check mark. What weapon should I build that on and what keepsakes should I choose to help me?”

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The list teaches you to think if you let it dictate one aspect of your run at a time

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Think of it as a ||0-heat|| modifier that forces you to chase down one particular god’s avenue of boons when you can

leaden whale
fresh current
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You’ll learn a lot about the deeper systems of what the gods can do just by accident doing that

#

Good choice @leaden whale, do you have all the weapons unlocked?

leaden whale
#

Dude that was my 9th run
I still have not unlocked that... pink glove thing that needs 8 keys

fresh current
#

Mmmmmm you’ll like the fists a lot

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My favorite weapons

leaden whale
#

Can plz do not spoil

leaden whale
#

Bossfight*

fresh current
#

“You’ll enjoy the fist shaped weapons that look like fists” isn’t particularly a spoiler, but I’ll keep that in mind

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Ah, Asterius and Theseus

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Theseus is a jerk

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All my homies hate Theseus

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What did you have on your attack and special?

leaden whale
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Dude one second

#

Ok, i think i had... water dash thing
... A lot of things focused on those blood crystals (right-click. I can't remember it's name. Hey i am not a jerk i am just new and pretty weak on remembering names)
2 blood crystals+ Homing boon (from Artemis)+ A +37% damage bonus from chaos+ Some other things
Zeus call
I had no special (lOl)
Water attacks boon
Upgraded bow (explosive+quick charge)
... i think that was everything
Or at least what i can remember

#

Urghh i am going to die
Chatting with like 4 people at the same time

median arch
#

kill theseus first

leaden whale
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Yes that was what i tried to do but...

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Oh i had 2 boons from that... Pegasus god (Dunno man lol) as well
+20% speed+ extra dash (3)

median arch
#

Just focus theseus, when he gets to half health he'll use a call and turn invincible, so dodge that until it stops

#

just be sure to attack him from behind

leaden whale
#

It is... hard to do that.

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However my explosive bolts and blood crystals really beated him and his dude

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Both of them had like 35% hp when i died

median arch
#

Just keep trying, with practice you'll learn the timing of the boss

#

its a rogue-like, its all about learning patterns

leaden whale
#

Yup.

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I like it how house of hades is lovely...

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Never saw any characters say any repeated dialogs.

median arch
#

yep, the script is something like 300,000 words long

stray terrace
#

thats longer than first 2 books of lotr for reference

leaden whale
#

Seriously, the best goddess is Aphrodite
Best boons i have ever seen in my 9 runs

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lol

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Btw chaos is good as well

median arch
#

aphro has raw damage and sustain

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if i'm using a weapon that has a lot of attacks I like artemis cause the crits can stack

leaden whale
#

Yes Artemis is good as well.
Lol they made a feat in one of my runs

#

A boon with a.. name i can't remember
But it's logo was goddamn cool
A green arrow piercing a pink heart
LOL

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...btw my memory is so weak that i can't even remember what that boon used to do.

#

128 kb rom memory

median arch
#

probably crits do more damage to weak foes

leaden whale
#

Aha that was it

#

I think this one is not normal:
My save file says you have gathered around 850 darkness in total
Well i guess i play good

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850=~810=9*90
90 darkness in each run
Hm-hm

zinc zinc
#

Anyone know if boons that buff dash strike also buff the fists dash-special?

fresh current
#

No krabs

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They do not

#

Bruh Theseus first 👀

#

Madlad

zinc zinc
#

focus Theseus is the optimal strategy because it makes him stop talking

fresh current
#

Well

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.......

#

I can’t actually rebut that

#

Theseus first optimal

worldly vigil
#

Understandable lol

#

most annoying character in the game imo

leaden whale
#

You were such a fool to pick a fight against us

polar smelt
#

tbf I do kill theseus first when I have a good run cause I know I can nuke him

fresh current
#

Heresy

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Asterius must not bear witness to the shame you put his companion through

#

It is only right to finish noble Asterius first to preserve his dignity

humble ore
#

Nuke Asterius then Theseus

#

Theseus is the worst character that I know

mint hearth
#

I uh

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I'm really new, under 30 runs so far, and when I got to Asterius first I almost beat him with what seemed like a low-tier build, so I felt confident coming in the second time, but the second time Theseus showed up and beat me to death

#

How do I kill annoying Theseus?

humble ore
#

Yeah Theseus sucks badly

#

Lots of dashing and getting behind him

acoustic bramble
#

Hello. I am a noob and have just started playing. What's the general consensus on K+M versus controller? Which is easiest for a new player? I've been using K + M but have been finding it a bit unintuitive. I have an XBox controller I can use.

mint hearth
#

Well I had to fight both at once the second time which was off-putting

humble ore
#

K&M is so much better in my humble opinion

worldly vigil
#

^^

vivid patio
#

its personal preference. some people feel more comfortable with kbm, others with controller. even supergiant staff use both

humble ore
#

I started on K&M and I don't want to try controller since you have so much more control with keyboard

#

But fair enough tatz

polar smelt
acoustic bramble
#

Interesting. OK thanks y'all, I'll stick at K + M for a while and try and git gud 😋

humble ore
#

I have about 35-40 runs and completed it twice today (my only times)

fluid yoke
#

elysium is

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the

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hardest floor tbh

polar smelt
#

Theseus is vunerable after his spear throw, he'll walk away with his back turned

you can tell the spear throw from Theseus when the range icon is over your character (there's also a very obvious sound cue)
but if asterius is already dead, no shame in using the pillars and keeping space until you know he's open

when learning, kill asterius first, use the giant pillars between you and theseus so you don't need to worry about spear as much (again sound cue is key for this fight)
minor fight spoiler - ||when theseus is half hp, he'll do a god call of his own, he is completely vunerable here as well for 5s, just keep an eye out for your own hp & the god casts on the floor||

asterius also has a 50% trigger but it just makes his axe slam a bit scarier (you can simply dash through it though)
also probably most importantly don't lose faith if you don't kill the heroes, Elysium can be the run killer for everyone even people with multitude of clears - when I was just starting to get a bit more confidence with the game I was still dying twice as much in Elysium than the final boss

fluid yoke
#

at least to get past first time

#

sure i probably got past it faster than tartarus but i think compared to the other ones its the hardest part of the run

#

like normal room wise

mint hearth
#

Tbh I find Elysium easier than Asphodel aside from Theseus and Asterius lol

humble ore
#

Theseus and Asterius are worse than the final boss

fluid yoke
#

i disagree

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honestly

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with the second one

drowsy plover
#

I just found out you could prevent flame wheels from spawning using the well of Charon

fluid yoke
#

theyre hard but not harder than the final boss

#

yeah

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its a good purchase

#

75 gold for no explody wheels

polar smelt
mint hearth
drowsy plover
#

Definitely. I had a previous run with 2-3 rooms with flame wheels and butterfly balls. It wasn't fun

fluid yoke
#

i still think shields are harder but

polar smelt
#

Yup just keep playing and finding out what works for you 👍

fluid yoke
#

flame wheels are annoying

mint hearth
#

I just have good rng and don't get the flame wheels or butterflies much

sleek pond
#

Flame wheels are easy. You touch them with anything and they just die.

fluid yoke
#

well

drowsy plover
#

Poseidon + ||Demeter|| duo is better than I expected

fluid yoke
#

doesnt make them not annoying

sleek pond
#

Throw your cast out there. Dash around. Anything medium range.

polar smelt
#

flamewheels + ||benefits package speed||, actually scary

fluid yoke
#

i think fists are the hardest weapons to deal them with

#

none of the fists in built attacks have much against them without taking damage

mint hearth
#

I like Poseidon a lot because my favorite weapons are the bow and shield

drowsy plover
#

Yeah but try flame wheels, chariots and butterfly balls in the same room

sleek pond
#

The fact that all the Elysium dudes try and respawn is more annoying

mint hearth
#

Oh yeah that is annoying

humble ore
#

flame wheels aren't that bad, like one hit with doom and they're dead

#

butterfly balls suck so much

#

also just make flame wheels slam into each other and into walls

sleek pond
#

The miniboss is gross but regular ones aren't that bad. But the butterflies themselves are hard to see

humble ore
#

exactly

sleek axle
drowsy plover
#

They're not annoying by themselves but I find them annoying in combination with other mobs

sleek pond
#

I'm glad I'm not colorblind or I really wouldn't be able to see them at all

humble ore
sleek pond
#

^

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They only chase from so far

fluid yoke
#

yeah but

#

if you dont have a good dash it can be hard to deal with them sometimes

humble ore
#

that's why you always get athena dash

sleek pond
#

Or just two dashes and use collumns/walls

#

When you know how to deal with them, they become much easier. Still a threat obvs. But you can do a flamewheel run without getting hit easily on low heat.

fresh current
#

Flame wheels are why I recommend long knuckle for fists as a go-to hammer

#

The extra range creates a safe zone to deal with flame wheels. Because outside of that fists dont really have anything in their kit for an enemy like that

#

And the damage never hurts

sand crag
#

||Is it just me, or are Theseus and Asterius actually significantly easier with Extreme Measures?||

fresh current
#

I wouldn’t say easier

#

But more tolerable in ways

floral nacelle
#

||Theseus is easier, asterius is not||

fresh current
#

I mean more health is quantifiably harder

#

But I know what you mean

#

Theseus is less of a pain, and he’s the real jerk of that fight

sand crag
#

||I was a little disappointed, but I love how Theseus rides around on a chariot.||

#

||His laugh whenever he starts firing bullets gets me every time.||

fresh current
#

Oh god yes

#

I love hearing him go full manic cackling at the guns

#

Reminds me of that scene from mad max

floral nacelle
#

and how he has that ||gaudy mask||

sand crag
#

||Asterius is definitely harder, but the difficulty increase there isn’t as significant as the one for the Furies and the Bone Hydra, in my opinion.

He basically just gets a shockwave and a faster charge.||

floral nacelle
#

||that daedalus made to make fun of him but theseus is dense enough he wears it anyway||

fluid yoke
#

theseus witha gun

fresh current
#

Talk all you like about easier, I do feel like the fight is longer with their armor on

#

You can’t burst the bull down nearly as quickly

#

And I tire of that fight

floral nacelle
#

I still have a little trouble with ||EM3||, which is why I put on acorn, but at least I don't lose DDs that often to it anymore

sand crag
#

||I always play with EM on up to 3, and I only need three or four heat right now. I just like the harder boss fights better.||

floral nacelle
#

||Asterius's spinning is annoying||

fluid yoke
#

beyblade go

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brrr

sand crag
#

||Asterius’s spin attack is pretty annoying.||

fluid yoke
#

i like how collectively we've agreed upon beyblade as a nickname for it

sand crag
#

||Especially when he does it while Theseus bombs the perimeter.||

fluid yoke
#

like if youve done em3 and someone mentions beyblade in this discord it makes perfect sense what they mean

#

no its new players

sand crag
#

||I usually just dodge through Asterius if I have Greatest Reflex or just go backwards around the arena to avoid Theseus’s bombs.||

fluid yoke
#

||em3: theseus has a gun and asterius is a beyblade||

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(this is new players we should move this chat)

fresh current
#

Oh crap it is, didn’t realize

floral nacelle
#

yes, the harder versions of bosses are spoilers

vivid patio
#

hey please spoiler tag your ||extreme measures|| related comments idea

#

remember that final boss and anything beyond is a spoiler in this channel, including ||the pact||

sly vigil
#

What about the pack?

#

Aroo

opaque aurora
#

Way happens if you gift the same person more than once?

#

Cause I know like if you gift someone one time they give you something in return. Is there any reason to gift the same person again?

flint pulsar
#

Plot

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And ||some of them give you little cute companions you can use||

opaque aurora
#

Ohhh cool

#

So should I try to gift everyone one time first and then gift again?

#

Or is there a certain person you would suggest to gift until that happens

flint pulsar
#

If you want

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Id suggest doing it

#

Cause the plot and characters are so well written/amazing

opaque aurora
#

True

ocean cosmos
#

id say give everyone 1 first

opaque aurora
#

Alright, thanks

#

👍

ocean cosmos
#

then give the rest to anyone you like

#

you'll get plenty of nectar anyways

fluid yoke
#

gift everyone

flint pulsar
#

Yup

fluid yoke
#

you'll have enough

ocean cosmos
#

^

fluid yoke
#

i think im past the point of needing nectar to gift anyone now

#

so i can put it into other things

#

so there is an end point and you can get enough nectar for everyone!

flint pulsar
#

I dont even need it anymore

fluid yoke
#

but probably focus on the people you care about more first

#

it won't hurt but make sure to not neglect anyone nectar wise

opaque aurora
#

Ohh ok

#

Thanks

#

Oops

#

🙂

molten arch
#

i beat hades for the first time

#

im so happy

oak egret
#

first escape with cursed slash and random boons dusa

fluid yoke
#

well done

dull marten
#

how long does it usually take folks to get to the end?

#

i started playing last night and the furthest i got was 5 encounters into asphodel LOL

sly vigil
#

It's a hard game for sure.

#

Don't fret your deaths, it's intended.

dull marten
#

for sure, i figure the intention is for me to get my ass kicked repeatedly lol

#

i’ve never played a rogue like before so this is definitely a new experience

sly vigil
#

Ay welcome!

dull marten
#

:)

sly vigil
#

It's a fun genre.

dull marten
#

yeah i’m enjoying it! really addicting

polar smelt
#

worry_wave welcome welcome!

sly vigil
#

lmao

#

I bet that was a macro goes wrong lol

polar smelt
#

Key part is just have fun tbh
Its an expansive single player game, who cares if it takes 10 or 100 clears
If you're learning and having fun each run, that's the best part

sly vigil
#

Honestly I hate it when people come here and ask is X clear fast

#

It straddles the line of humble bragging

dull marten
#

yeah definitely! i’m not looking to speed through it, i’m amazed that there’s so much story involved

sly vigil
#

I hate it

dull marten
#

skelly is my favorite

sly vigil
#

Just enjoy it at your own pace.

sly vigil
polar smelt
#

I'm fine when people ask, they might be curious about how others progress, what i dislike it if someone pipes in saying "oh I got it in x clears less"

sly vigil
#

yeah that's fair, asking what's other people's progress is totally fine. asking "is my 1st try ever win a fast clear" is just douchy tbh

polar smelt
#

but yeah dawg, have fun, ask any questions you have, we'll do our best to give non-spoilery answers and be insightful when possible

dull marten
#

thanks ❤️ i love a good welcoming community

oak egret
#

wow if he escape on the first try he def not new lol zaglol

dull marten
#

now i know why ppl were so upset that hades didn’t get goty:(

polar smelt
#

we all got positive experiences in here, so always try to do the same for others worry_mask

sly vigil
#

yeah I love this server

sly vigil
fluid yoke
#

it didn't?

sly vigil
#

It was really fun

dull marten
#

nah, TLOU2

#

won goty

fluid yoke
#

yeah take your own time

#

on hades

polar smelt
#

It was nominated which I find very pog in of itself

fluid yoke
#

if you're struggling completely normal

dull marten
#

agreed, the nomination is well deserved

sly vigil
#

The Game Award, which is one of many gaming awards, gave GOTY to TLOU2

fluid yoke
#

youll get it eventually

sly vigil
#

Though it is one of many gaming journals.

#

IGN and Gamespot(?) both gave their GOTY to Hades I think

dull marten
#

thanks for the encouragement chloe! i could sure use it LOL

fluid yoke
#

yeah i mean i got i eventually

#

took 30 runs but i cleared it

sly vigil
#

if you need help, people here are always helpful.

dull marten
#

it was so funny i was playing last night and i got past megaera and was so excited, and then my partner was like "you know you will have to start from the beginning if you die right?"

#

i was certainly pretty disappointed LOL

fluid yoke
#

well

sly vigil
#

welcome to hell xD

fluid yoke
#

youll probably be able to beat meg

#

easier

#

as it goes on

sly vigil
#

yeah, you will improve and you will clear each stage faster and more easily.

#

it's a good progression system.

dull marten
#

that's good to hear

polar smelt
sly vigil
#

don't underestimate your ability to learn.

rich cave
#

And you’ll get I think 50 darkness for beating her now so you can upgrade the mirror

fluid yoke
#

i think one od the devs cleared

molten arch
#

i played both TLOU2 and Hades and honestly loved them both very much

fluid yoke
#

it in under 15 minutes

polar smelt
dull marten
#

i would hope the devs could clear a game they made lmao

sly vigil
fluid yoke
#

i havent heard too good things about tlou2 tbh

sly vigil
fluid yoke
#

shh we can't let them know about that yet

molten arch
sly vigil
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I think Amir can clear consistently and Darren Korb can speedrun the game somewhat.

molten arch
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Abby as a character is really great

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but unfortunately too much trolls ruined the experience with her

fluid yoke
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yeah ive heard alot about thar and people being rude about it i jusr think the stuf ive heard about it probably isn't to be discussed here

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but yeah gl with asphodel

dull marten
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i just checked the victory boasting channel ... cant believe ppl are clearing in 10 minutes lol

rich cave
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Say hi to ||Lernie|| for me

polar smelt
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10 mins is v fast

dull marten
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it takes me 10 minutes just to get to meg

fluid yoke
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the victory screen probably makes no sense to you rn

polar smelt
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also it's not 10 actual minutes, it's 10 in-game minutes

fluid yoke
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but don't worry

dull marten
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oh

polar smelt
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which is a very very different thing

molten arch
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10 minutes ? they must be skipping all the dialogue

fluid yoke
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dialogue pauses the timer

sly vigil
rich cave
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My best is 14:42

sly vigil
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real time is probably near 20-30 minutes

molten arch
fluid yoke
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my best is uh

sly vigil
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if they are fast.

dull marten
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i guess i'll have to report back when i get my first clear zaglol

fluid yoke
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18:35?

polar smelt
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the ingame timer pauses at nearly every action,
choosing a boon? pause
entering a room? pause
etc etc

sly vigil
polar smelt
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mine's 13:05 which I'm thrilled about tbh

sly vigil
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im glad you are enjoying the game

molten arch
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how do we flag something as a spoil

fluid yoke
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i mean i think if you're only at asphodel itll be a bit before you clear so feel free to update us

molten arch
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like turn it into a black box ?

fluid yoke
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|| on either si

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de

polar smelt
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||spoiler||

sly vigil
dull marten
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haha yeah it will probably be a while

molten arch
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|| spoil ||

dull marten
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i started playing yesterday

fluid yoke
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im sure you can do it

polar smelt
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or highlight the message in your chatbox and hit the eye icon on the right

fluid yoke
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its normal to take ages

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took me loads of runs to beat meg

molten arch
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i think that clearing a run is really easy with || the weapon that looks like a gun || especially after you || upgrade into a rocket launcher ||

polar smelt
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personal preference, there's plenty of people who can't stand the rail

sly vigil
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yeah. I also cleared with the rail and triple bomb fwiw

fluid yoke
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no need to spoiler rhe rail but yeah the rocket hammer is good

sly vigil
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but different strokes for different folks, yknow

fluid yoke
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my first clear of elysium was

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rail triple + rocket

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also my first rail run

polar smelt
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mine was cursed slash meme on sword

fluid yoke
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but i can see why people don't like thw rail too much

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i struggle to get too mcuh dps on it sometimes if im not careful with how i build

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but its a fun weapon for mw

molten arch
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isnt rail a spoiler

polar smelt
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nah you get it prior to first clear

molten arch
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ah okay

fluid yoke
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yeah

sly vigil
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End Boss Onward, including the last fight, is considered spoiler I think, as well as advanced weapon upgrades.

fluid yoke
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yeah

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the 4th aspects of each weapon

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since you can't really get them until getting to the final boss

polar smelt
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also stuff that you generally won't obtain before first clear, eg ||companions||

fluid yoke
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yeah

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or like story spoilers

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for the end of certain quest lines

polar smelt
sly vigil
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that emote lol

dull marten
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what’s everyone’s favorite weapon!

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i am a personal fan of aegis

sly vigil
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I like the bow

dull marten
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i wanna try the bow but i’m a close contact kinda gal

polar smelt
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uhhhh i'm torn between fists & one of the sword aspects

fluid yoke
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i like the spear

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specifically hades

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the bows great

dull marten
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wowee

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i just unlocked the spear

fluid yoke
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can be really powerful id recommend it

dull marten
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have been meaning to take it for a drive

sleek axle
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fists/gun

leaden whale
worldly vigil
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Do you ever go back to ||Greece after 10th clear?|| I want to fish more there lol

sly vigil
tranquil escarp
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Defeated the final boss for the third time today!

fluid yoke
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epic!

tranquil escarp
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I'm dash-striking my way to victory. XD

keen oracle
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Tip for those that beat the final boss but struggle to do it again, you can turn on ||heat on weapons you haven’t escaped with yet to get more titan blood, diamonds, and ambrosia||

tranquil escarp
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Yeah, I have done a few runs with the ||punishment pact|| but I turn it off once in a while depending on my mood.

fluid yoke
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yeah

polar smelt
tranquil escarp
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Sometimes I just like to play the game "as it is" so to speak.

fluid yoke
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hopefully once you've gotten better at clearing and more used to || heat ||

tranquil escarp
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I can clear the game with about ||two heat levels|| with the gloves. I can get fairly far with other weapons too.

fluid yoke
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||you'll probably be able to do some conditions like second nature you have them on so much ||

flint pulsar
fluid yoke
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i keep like ||benefits package 1 and tight deadline 1 on almost all the time unless im doing a run with no heat for farmin||

tranquil escarp
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||I started with increased monsters and increased monster damage.||

polar smelt
tranquil escarp
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Are you okay Michael? XD

polar smelt
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I started with those but realized there's others which are much better - ||I'd highly recommend putting tight deadline on, it's like a 36 min timer||

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||hard labour is spooky||

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||the conveniance fee is also free asf to use||

fluid yoke
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|| bp 1 is also one i found not too hard to get into ||

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|| damage control is also pretty free heat depending on your build because more aoe slow damage its def worse with ||

polar smelt
sly vigil
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Yeah. ||BP1 is relatively easy, though BP2 is hard because some combinations are really challenging.||

tranquil escarp
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||Tight deadline|| might be one of the last ones I pick. I do not play games well with ||timers||. It makes me stressful.

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But I might try the ||one that gives more specials for bosses since they technically affect fewer rooms in runs.||

errant bramble
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Mmm good luck

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Altho I will agree TD3 actually removes the fun from the game for me. TD 1/2 are fine.

fluid yoke
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i couldn't do || td3 consistently ||

sly vigil
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yeah use what makes sense for you for sure

fluid yoke
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yeah use what you can deal with

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don't put on anything you don't want to

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none of it is mandatory

worldly vigil
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okay what are some of the most beginner friendly aspects when fully maxed, other than chaos shield

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I was thinking Chiron bow

fluid yoke
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yeah

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i think nemesis also

polar smelt
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hidden sword, chiron, eris rail, demeter/talos fists

errant bramble
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I don’t like Chiron bc special makes you stand still for so long

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But that’s personal

fluid yoke
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i think talos are probably the most beginner friendly fists

flint pulsar
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yuh

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demeter best when maxed out

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and ||hidden is best when you can get ME UwU||

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imo

fluid yoke
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i think zagreus rail is probably pretty friendly

flint pulsar
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yea

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since people aren't used to having to reloud

fluid yoke
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that sounds like it would work well with || gilgamesh||

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yeah

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just keep firing

flint pulsar
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yup

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and then they can play ||lucifer|| when they can get it since it's supa fun

fluid yoke
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like eris is very good but it takes a bit of learning and you need to reload alot

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||lucifer ||is mmmm

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definitely hard to get used to though wouldn't call it a beginners one

worldly vigil
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I really want to get that lol

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looks super cool from what I have seen

fluid yoke
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you should check my booze laser run

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i posted in victory

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i think for speer

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spear

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achilles is probably best as a beginners

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cause its alot of mobility and damage

worldly vigil
flint pulsar
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oml

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but once u get the hang of it

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it's a blast to use

fluid yoke
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yeah