One helluva drug
#h1-for-new-players
uneven ledge
third boss died in like 30 seconds
i feel like i tend to get my craziest, most aggressive high-dps runs with the shield for whatever reason
uneven ledge
the weapon that's usually favored for its block
flint pulsar
I like fists wayyy too much
uneven ledge
i think i've learned to just enjoy using every weapon
they're all fun and powerful in their own way
flint pulsar
Yea
gaunt quarry
hey rq if i have that artemis boon where my attack has a 15% chance to crit and then i can get another artemis boon that gives all damage i deal a 2% chance to crit
do those 2 boons stack
for a total 17% chance
uneven ledge
you can just pom pressure points
gaunt quarry
ye, the plan is to upgrade the pure crit boon with poms though
uneven ledge
it's always gonna be +1% per level and doesn't decrease so it benefits a lot from poms
heart rend and splitting headache are also super helpful
special for weak and dash for hangover
assuming you're using a melee weapon that is
gaunt quarry
ye
using sword
i also have that mirror boon that lets me deal additional damage to undamaged foes which makes critting one shot most enemies on the first level
uneven ledge
i think you can just get deadly strike from artemis and then go for heartbreak flourish from aphrodite and drunken dash from dionysus
flint pulsar
I dont think anyone takes that but uwu
uneven ledge
afterwards you can just keep going for artemis until hopefully you get heart rend and splitting headache, which would be easy game
uneven ledge
fiery presence is only good if you're using a really bulky weapon that hits like a truck
gaunt quarry
wait also im on the fence between clean kill and hunters mark
uneven ledge
i mean you're using sword so clean kill probably
you're gonna be landing a decent amount of crits with that thing
gaunt quarry
more chances to roll, that makes sense
polar smelt
heart rend
polar smelt
gaunt quarry
also question
i've been saving up for stubborn defiance
but by extension i also have enough money to get another death defiance
which one should i use
slender yew
if you’re dying a Lot then stubborn can be better but generally you wanna go DD
uneven ledge
stubborn is good if you're struggling with normal encounters but 3 dds + lucky tooth is generally the way to go for bosses early on
gaunt quarry
is there any way to check my stats mid run? like TOTAL damage, movement speed, crit chance, etc
floral nacelle
You can look at your boons mid run
uneven ledge
don't think so, you can just open up the boons menu and check everything
floral nacelle
It won't total everything up tho
gaunt quarry
ironically cursed slash is less broken now because i kill normal enemies so quickly
polar smelt
cursed slash is a bit of a trap
it's not as good as people think when first reading
the 3 main sword aspects actually benefit from dash striking more than attack, which doesn't proc cursed slash
and the hidden aspect swings once per minute so obviously not healing much there
gaunt quarry
agh bro theseus is so HARD
polar smelt
aye that he is
he's vunerable after his spear throw, he'll walk away with his back turned
gaunt quarry
oh interesting i'll keep that in mind
one problem im running into is his spin attack has a similar startup animation to his spear throw
polar smelt
yeah as you're running a sword it's a bit more challenging - you can tell the spear throw when the range icon is over your character (there's also a very obvious sound cue)
but if asterius is already dead, no shame in using the pillars and keeping space until you know he's open
polar smelt
when learning, kill asterius first, use the giant pillars between you and theseus so you don't need to worry about spear as much (again sound cue is key for this fight)
minor fight spoiler - ||when theseus is half hp, he'll do a god call of his own, he is completely vunerable here as well for 5s, just keep an eye out for your own hp & the god casts on the floor||
polar smelt
the reason I say "when learning" is that with time and confidence you'll actually kill theseus first and asterius will just kinda be chipped down as he's gonna be standing on top of you a lot lol
gaunt quarry
does theseus start godcalling while asterius is still around?
polar smelt
yes, his trigger is 50% hp
polar smelt
asterius also has a 50% trigger but it just makes his axe slam a bit scarier (you can simply dash through it though)
also probably most importantly don't lose faith if you don't kill the heroes, Elysium can be the run killer for everyone even people with multitude of clears - when I was just starting to get a bit more confidence with the game I was still dying twice as much in Elysium than the final boss
rich cave
^ Yeah it's common to die to the Elysium boss more than the final boss
rich cave
The recommended strat is to go for Asterius first btw
gaunt quarry
ye thats what i've been doing
polar smelt
yes you'll have more upgrades but honestly they are just harder to handle as you're splitting your attention between two things
||and honestly I find the final boss easier as his attacks are very projected||
rich cave
That and the Elysium boss is just harder in general because you have to deal with 2
polar smelt
gl gl
gaunt quarry
out of curiosity how much run do i have left after elysium
rich cave
||1 more floor||
polar smelt
polar smelt
that's a bit of a broad question, if you're talking about choosing between two rooms
- if I have my build already complete (eg: got the key duo I want), then I'll probably go pom
- if i'm still in tartarus/aspho and it's a boon for a god that I know I need, then I'll probably go boon
floral nacelle
When poms start having diminishing returns
Oh, I think I misread your question
But gods I value for my build > pom
polar smelt
^
bitter cairn
I see. So I should be using them to enhance the goal of my build then.
I think I need to get a better handle on all the build options to make an informed choice.
polar smelt
part of the learning in this game
bitter cairn
I'm around 60 runs, beat elysium thrice and immediately died. What's a good beginner build? I have all the mirror upgrades unlocked, but not maxed.
floral nacelle
Yeah, don't be like me and take gods over money all the time because boons are worth more in the shop unless that god actually fits into your build
polar smelt
What weapon do you like to default to?
or are you just picking whatever has darkness bonus
bitter cairn
I was until I opened all the mirror upgrades, still kinda trying to find the one I like most. Probably between rail, bow and sword.
polar smelt
okay so
rail = ideally you've unlocked and put some points into eris (the best rail aspect imo) but regardless
- always always start zeus keepsake and take the attack boon,
- if I get offered an early poseidon boon then I know i'm going towards seastorm, take all knockback boons (cast, special, razor shoals) as well as zeus syngeries (static discharge, double strike)
- if I get offered an early aphro then I'll be looking for smoldering air duo (always take zeus or dio calls if you get this) once again look for zeus synergy , aphrodite does have some nice things but I prefer zeus focus here
- dionysus - same deal, take his "trippy fog" cast and aim for Scintillating Feast duo
if you don't get offered any of these look at taking their keepsake in asphodel
if you get athena - always take her dash
if you get ares - I generally take his vengance boon or just something for increased damage
Artemis - call and don't build smouldering air
that got a little more complex than I had planned 
Sword I can't comment on as I don't use the primary aspects,
Bow - unlock chiron aspect, start artemis keepsake, take flourish (special)
- leave attack open until you find aphro (naturally or asphodel keepsake)
- get heartbreak strike, and build towards heart rend, when you get that, the run is won
bitter cairn
Wow, thanks a bunch. That's all super helpful.
I'm still working on remembering which boons do what, but starting to get a feel for kind of the theme of each god.
polar smelt
of course, it's all a learning process and finding out what suits you best
these are just my opinions, others might have things they like more
bitter cairn
What's the best way to farm titan blood? I haven't been able to upgrade aspects much.
floral nacelle
you'll unlock another way when you beat the game for the first time
But you can always trade for it
polar smelt
- 1 blood for each fury kill per weapon ^
aspects are by no means required to win, I got my first clear on all non-aspect weapons
floral nacelle
and you've been to ||styx before, so if you cared to, you can also save up obols for titan blood or the diamond in the final shop||
bitter cairn
True. Charon keepsake and just hoard gold all the way there?
polar smelt
I wouldn't do that personally, better just to focus on improving as a player first than farming
gaunt quarry
oh wait i've been getting lots of titan blood and skelly mentioned something about upgrading weapons
where do i upgrade weapons
i've just been forgetting/haven't figured out where to go
polar smelt
I think skelly & achilles both have to mention something about it
opaque aurora
Ohh
polar smelt
and then when you check out your weapons next you should be able to interact with them after picking one up
(or maybe a run after that)
gaunt quarry
ah ok
worldly vigil
Is it possible to get slicing shot with hera bow
(blade rift cast with bow that shoots cast)
fresh current
I am going to register a disagreement on Michael’s comment. Farm early, farm often. Farm for that last diamond or blood like a fiend early on when you especially need it. Train your craft and sharpen yourself without the use of a shop as a crutch until the very end. Set it as a passive performance goal for yourself. Then when you don’t need it anymore you start taking shops and go Kaio Ken because you’ve been training in 100x earths gravity this whole time
The gold perk is one of the few I actually recommend to be green on the mirror for newbies because it lets you farm up Blood kinds of gold much more easily
But you have!! To be disciplined and teach yourself to play without the health and boons as a crutch!
Though as an asterisk shops are A+ for darkness and gems farming
Tremendous value for gold
Same with well items for gems and darkness
tranquil escarp
I'm reaching the final boss more and more often. Those Elysium Champions are still tough but I can at least get past them now. XD
polar smelt
naisuuuu, that's the spirit
fresh current
I'm around 60 runs, beat elysium thrice and immediately died. What's a good begi...
For weapons best beginner weapon I hold to be Zagreus-aspect shield by a mile. But if you like sword and rail then both zag aspects can be purchased on the cheap and offer excellent value. For sword and bow though, their S-tier aspects are Nemesis and Chiron respectively, which will be more expensive. I forget how much they are, but all zag aspects cost 5 blood to fully upgrade so I recommend them for new players, and of the zag aspects shield and rail are probably the best
(Fists zag aspect is also very high-tier as a defensive option but I didn’t see you mention fists)
Good beginner builds generally involve ares on the special sooner or later, fwiw. Every weapon’s special except the rail’s I find really rewarding to attach ares to when starting out in the game
Just super reliable set-and-forget damage with good tier 2 boons to increase that substantially
Good pairings with ares are any other curse effects to activate PS, but callouts to Aphrodite for having great damage to compliment your great damage and for having a duo boon that pretty much makes PS activated 24/7
To Artemis for Hunting Blades, which is one of the 2 most broken duos in the game
fluid yoke
i feel like sword doom isn't too good
on special
like compared to other base aspects
fresh current
I agree its not optimal play, but I feel like doom+special is just a good noob combo in general
Easy to understand and enables set-and-forget gameplay
To Athena for Merciful End, which is the other most broken duo in the game
fluid yoke
yeah but
fresh current
And to dio for curse of nausea which is a fantastic dio buff
fluid yoke
bow / spear / shield curse of pain is so much more useful
fresh current
Agreed
You’re not wrong, he just specifically called out noob builds and that he liked sword
fresh current
Yuuuuup
fluid yoke
tbh a general aphrodite build would work
fresh current
Doom shield is the truth the way and the life when you’re starting out
fluid yoke
ive played heartbreak flourish like once or twice with ||arthur|| and its incredibly powerful
fresh current
Ooooof yeah I could imagine that being a chonky boi
I asked about how 2 ||Arthur|| a while back and apparently thats the answer
Cause ||Arthur|| is one of the few aspects I just can’t get my head around
fresh current
I tried him + Artemis but I died
Too slow
But aphro with her damage reduction sounds like a great add on
polar smelt
||arthur is spoiler btw||
I always start artemis attack and then look for aphro special/cast for heartrend and pretty much win the run from there
fluid yoke
yeah you should probably spoiler the aspect name though but yeah aphrodite stuff is a good base for a beginners sword build
polar smelt
Too slow
you can regular dash inbetween sword swings and keep the 3 hit combo
so you can attack, attack, dash, attack and get the 3rd hit off, meaning you take a lot less dmg whilst not impacting your own output
fluid yoke
the aphro special stacks weak with the || aura damage reduction ||
so even less damage
fresh current
I need to remember to speak in euphemism more in this channel. I can never remember to spoiler.
polar smelt
keen oracle
||orpheus started singing again|| I’m so happy
fresh current
It's great. I love those tunes
On a musical note, to save anyone in here a little time ||the “learn to play the lyre” quest has nothing to do with filling out orpheus’ music track collection. It’s all about playing the lyre over and over and over again.|| Learned that the hard way.
worldly vigil
wow did you really ||buy all the music||
odd monolith
That's dedication
worldly vigil
I was just thinking to myself how impossibly long that must take lol
fresh current
Only to find out that doesn’t proc the quest lol
worldly vigil
how many hours ya got?
fresh current
It really is just that much repetition
Hmmmm idk, I’ll tell you I’m sitting around ~160 clears with about a 70% clear rate last time I crunched it out
So however many that is
polar smelt
Beast
fresh current
🙈
I’m not trying to brag
I kind of came straight from Gungeon to this
So I was in a rogue like gear to begin with
And Hades is honestly so much more streamlined than Gungeon lol
I’m glad it’s Supergiant making a roguelike finally
worldly vigil
I got so frustrated with Gungeon, but liked aspects of it so I decided to try this
fresh current
Gungeon is a challenge
worldly vigil
Hades feels so much easier with the actual progression
fresh current
I do love it though, it is truly timeless
Hades definitely is
Much, much smaller learning curve than Gungeon
And it has Actual Permanent Progression which I really enjoy
worldly vigil
the progression just wasn't enough to keep me going
fresh current
I get it
worldly vigil
I definitely respect the hell out of people that can play it half decently now tho lol
fresh current
it’s all about that ScHmoOOoOovEmEnT bruh
worldly vigil
I got 14 titan blood from this last run with prophecy rewards and things.. I can't decide what to spend it on
I've probably used less than 10 in total so far lol
worldly vigil
nothing fully upgraded
fresh current
And what weapons do you like best so far
worldly vigil
I'm a big fan of the shield recently.. thinking about maxing chaos
fresh current
Put your first 5 into zag shield
Oh for gods sake put your first 5 into zag shield and dont look back for a while
worldly vigil
I would kinda like to unlock some hidden aspects which I know you ||need to spend a certain amount on||.. any especially cool ones?
fresh current
Also Zeus shield is a blast. I can’t speak to chaos shield. Everyone seems to like it but me. I refuse to touch it. Zag and Zeus shield are A++ for newer players with tho
Honestly hidden ones are expensive and kind of overrated
Except maybe bow which is S-tier but needs to be fully upgraded
Your first blood you need to get maximum value out of
worldly vigil
I'm really curious how zeus shield works
fresh current
Which is why zag aspects are nice, only 5 blood to get max value out of
Have you seen Wild Wild West?
Remember the sawblade scene?
worldly vigil
uhh I don't think so?
fresh current
That’s what Zeus Shield is like
old escarp
Are you familiar with beyblades? 
worldly vigil
lol yes
old escarp
For what it's worth, I got the reference
fresh current
That’s exactly what I picture in my head every time I play Zeus shield
And it never gets old
worldly vigil
Looks like it came out two years before I was born.. sounds like I might just be uncultured
fresh current
You really do owe it to yourself
Will smith action corniness at its absolute finest
Classic
but imagine a homing buzzsaw that follows you around the room
worldly vigil
okay.. sounds like I'm putting at least two into zeus sheild
fresh current
Do zag shield first
All the way, I insist
But then yes Zeus with whatever you have left over
Zag shield is just a one-button cannon. It’s value for clearing runs cannot be overstated in the early game
worldly vigil
I'm confused lol. Is zag shield that meta?
ah okay
I'm assuming it increases bull rush damage as well?
fresh current
Zag shield is the best noob-cannon in the game to build around by a country mile
Honestly I dont even bullrush ever with the shield, except for its hidden aspect which requires it
Just unga bunga around the room and bash faces in
While throwing your shield around every once in a while to apply curses
Zag shield is what FPS circles call a W+M1 build. Just hold forward and attack and win game
worldly vigil
Okay I did it lol
fresh current
Trust in the process
worldly vigil
I feel like it would be silly to invest the other nine in strictly the shield with how bounties work
fresh current
It doesn’t look like much, but zag shield’s simplistic play and chonky base damage are the most solid bedrock you can build your game skills with
No, invest how you please
worldly vigil
I mean I want to give myself a good chance with each weapon to maximize bounties
fresh current
The only thing you lose is maybe?? Speed in accessing the other hidden weapon aspects, but again those can mostly wait. I can only think of one S-tier among them
Ah, I see
Well zag is a good base investment in generally every aspect but spear I would say
For spear go straight for Achilles
And maybe for fists put a single point in Talos to see how you like it
Talos is my favorite fists aspect
worldly vigil
the spear is the only hidden I have rn.. is it any good at higher level? ||The health reduction seems crazy||
fresh current
Its damage isn’t fully online without it upgraded but one point gives you access to the meathook ability, which is 70% of what you play Talos for anyway
It actually is but hidden spear is an advanced weapon for advanced players, make no mistake
old escarp
4th spear is fun, but takes some getting used to. Definitely upgrade it all the way first
fresh current
Would set that one aside for a while as you’re getting used to the game
And yeah needs upgrading all the way
fresh current
Craaaaazy
One of the reasons I love it
Half of the damn map on a small room
You’ll be astounded the range at which your GET OVER HERE works
worldly vigil
is it a line or spread?
fresh current
Line
But auto-aim is pretty good about making sure you lock onto a target
Also if you dash-special you can go straight into your regular special for two special attacks in a row
With the fists
Protip
Also for bow zag aspect is good but I would go straight for Chiron if I had the $
Chiron bow absolutely needs to be 100% upgraded to be good but man is it goooooooooooood once it’s online
And very beginner friendly. Probably the most fire-and-forget weapon in the game
Just expensive
Sadly it is indeed buns before it is 100% so either make it a project or save up all at once for it
But Chiron bow is broken once its online
worldly vigil
Okay I think that will be what I go for next. I put one level on talos fist and one level on zeus shield
I have six left so ig I need another ten
fresh current
Zag aspect of rail is perfectly serviceable too if you need to get your early game stuff online
flint pulsar
and concentrated volley
flint pulsar
Zag aspect of rail is perfectly serviceable too if you need to get your early ga...
yuh but it's rlly rng dependant. If you don't get said things ur kinda screwed
fresh current
Dont let anyone poopoo it, 24 ammo is a very meaningful amount of dakka to play with, especially for 5 blood
Like this person above me^
worldly vigil
Okay I want to try a talos fist run.. what should I go for build wise
flint pulsar
✨ eris rail ✨
flint pulsar
Okay I want to try a talos fist run.. what should I go for build wise
zeus attack is never a bad option
with fists
other then ||hidden||
which is an ehhh
fresh current
Yes eris rail is better. Zag rail also does 80-90% of the job it does for 1/3rd the price
Yeah for your first time with Talos and fists in general Zeus attack is never a bad idea
Or Dionysius
worldly vigil
Which duo(s) should I go for?
fresh current
But if you do get Dio attack be on the lookout for Aphrodite. Their duo boon lets you stack more drunken strike which is great for fists
fresh current
Honestly the way Zeus works is a little different from the rest of the gods
flint pulsar
but yea what swordman said
fresh current
He and Artemis are in their own kind of weird subclass
Where it’s less about getting duos with them and more about getting more and more and more of that god’s boons
flint pulsar
but look for static discharge and another status giving special such as aphro or someone else for priveledged status
that 40%+ damage is nothing to scoff at
fresh current
So if you start getting Zeus you generally just want to keep getting Zeus, there are really no wrong answers
fresh current
that 40%+ damage is nothing to scoff at
This this a thousand times this. One of the game mechanics you should prioritize learning and abusing is Priveledged status
fresh current
Which means you should learn which boons apply “curse” effects and always be on the lookout to add those
fresh current
For Zeus it would be “jolted”
flint pulsar
but like not short curse effects either
like doom isn't gonna last you enough to get full combos out
but smt like chill or weak or hangover will defintely help out
or in the case of hangover deal more damage while giving up time (like specialling)
fresh current
Gonna append his statement and say doom is actually great, but the second-tier buff of “impending doom” is absolutely required for it to be great
muted latch
for shield you either save up for full chaos, or go for hidden
muted latch
zeus is not a beginner friendly aspect in both early power and mechanical demand
fresh current
Ok, you’ve got me there
muted latch
you might as well just use zag aspect for shield clears
flint pulsar
true
fresh current
Yup dont disagree there. Zag shield best unga bunga build
flint pulsar
but chaos also needs a lot of blood
muted latch
save up for max chaos or hidden
muted latch
zag is good enough for early game clears
flint pulsar
yup^
ngl u can use just any base weapon for clears
like without any upgrades
idk if that was a weird or nto but I cleared the game a few times without touching any upgrades
muted latch
shield is a weapon that outside of zag, all other aspects are basically max or bust
for beginners that is
flint pulsar
yuh
fresh current
yeah
muted latch
zeus aspect for early game is really not a good idea
fresh current
That said I will say at lower power if you get along with Zeus aspect
flint pulsar
it pumps out
worldly vigil
idk.. I got my first clear with level 2 chaos shield lol
flint pulsar
insane dps
fresh current
Just add Zeus to your special and it’ll help mask that a lot
flint pulsar
idk.. I got my first clear with level 2 chaos shield lol
that works too
zeus special with zeus is just
disgusting
that dps from pressing q is mwah
worldly vigil
I had doom on special
fresh current
Even if the special itself has low damage the tick rate is still the same from 0-100% upgraded and Zeus doesn’t care as long as the damage is still ticking
Yuuuup there it is
worldly vigil
zeus on attack I think
fresh current
Chaos + doom is commonly the ticket
flint pulsar
doom on special is v nice early w shield
fresh current
I dislike chaos but if you enjoy what you have there Ycrew then roll on with ya
muted latch
for zeus you should do zeus on special
flint pulsar
yup^
fresh current
^^^^^
flint pulsar
dio attack on sheild is actually pretty lit
fresh current
Mmhmmmm
flint pulsar
esp if you can find that hammer which makes your dash attacks hit twice
oak egret
Hello Im new im just wanna know should i save the titan blood or i use it to upgrade the weapon
fresh current
Sword and shield are like the perfect rhythm for dio
flint pulsar
Hello Im new im just wanna know should i save the titan blood or i use it to upg...
imo I would save it unless you're struggling a LOT
and could really benifit from upgrades
but it doesn't matter
upgrade what u want
muted latch
what's your favorite weapon?
fresh current
Yeah that’s the real question
muted latch
there are a few weapons that transforms with just a couple blood investment
so might considering doing that
flint pulsar
yea^
fresh current
If you have some it’s worth pumping it in now if you have a weapon that clicks with you already
muted latch
namely, nemesis sword, achilles spear, hera bow, talos fist and eris rail
fresh current
Fist gang rise up
muted latch
those are aspects that shine even at low levels
sleek axle
I'm here
worldly vigil
okay so I ended up starting a run, forgot to switch keepsake, gave up and got all blood back. I maxed chaos shield, and I am gonna go for chiron bow next I think
worldly vigil
lol I'm excited to try it
fresh current
If you get to really enjoying bow and get a hair up your butt try the hidden aspect on for size when you can afford it
Bow got lucky, 2 broken aspects in its kit
worldly vigil
what are the easiest ||heat conditions|| other than time
oak egret
is titan blood rare ? im just getting it once and never get it again
fresh current
||Turn Extreme Measures on and get learnin’ how to fight properly boiah||
||Same for middle management||
placid karma
what are the easiest ||heat conditions|| other than time
||benefits package, middle management, extreme measures||
fresh current
||I never turn MM off or EM below 2, for reference||
worldly vigil
I feel like I should mention here that it took me 37 runs to get my first clear.. I'm not very good lol
This is for ||2 heat||
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Sucking Is the First Step to Being Gud
placid karma
everyone's not very good at first. you'll be fine 
oak egret
im just spend 3 blood for the sword now im feel like im dumb
placid karma
if you're interested in ||grinding for bigger and bigger heat||, you can head on over to #h1-high-heat-strategies
fresh current
Ok for 2 ||heat just urn on middle management and dont look back||
placid karma
im just spend 3 blood for the sword now im feel like im dumb
if you "give up", you'll go back to before you purchased the upgrades
flint pulsar
is titan blood rare ? im just getting it once and never get it again
there's a system later on where you can get more titan blood. don't worry. There's also the wretched broker. Beating the bosses with a different weapon gives you new unique rewards such as titan blood, diamonds, etc.
also the ||final boss gives you blood||
oak egret
oh really , thank man . I just watch some guide on youtube and it said u shold spend blood to get the new weapon first
flint pulsar
eh
fresh current
Also also you have a chance to be able to buy blood in the final shop and you should be saving up every time
flint pulsar
explore da game at ur own pace
fresh current
^^^
flint pulsar
hades is an amazing game
and part of the fun is learning
all it's unique ins and outs
fresh current
It costs $1200
flint pulsar
at the final store
oak egret
I cant pass the bull guys 
fresh current
to defeat the bull: hit him until he dies
flint pulsar
and remember to abuse boiling blood
fresh current
^^^^^
fresh current
Abuse allll your +% mirror upgrades
fresh current
They count and they matter a LOT. Learn them, love them
flint pulsar
without sheild
flint pulsar
and uh ik this sounds stupid but try to not get hit
fresh current
Save your biggest damage spike for that for sure
placid karma
try to isolate asterius first so that you could study his patterns. that'll also force thessius to use his spear, which has a distinct audio/visual cue (the crosshair)
flint pulsar
by learning attack patterns
flint pulsar
try to isolate asterius first so that you could study his patterns. that'll also...
yuh this
fresh current
Try to keep a close eye specifically on the crosshair Theseus puts on you when he’s getting ready to throw his spear
oak egret
I just smash my controller when i come to the boss fight 
fresh current
It will turn red right when he’s about to throw
oak egret
I only remember Meg move cause i fight with her alot
fresh current
Keep an eye on your character model and be on the lookout for that whenever you’re engaged with the bull and you have your back turned on him
flint pulsar
I just smash my controller when i come to the boss fight <:zaglol:72504393186751...
we've all been there. Don't worry, it'll just make it more satisfying when you break thesues's stupid grin and moral
fresh current
Especially his morale
fresh current
When you have get later in the game and he ||has a meltdown because he thinks you’re tearing him and Asterius apart|| it’s so satisfying to watch him turn into a bawling child
fresh current
Hard
flint pulsar
he's such a good sport
mortal parrot
Hi everyone! I just started playing! What is the best weapon out of the 4 for beginners!!!
fresh current
Honorable Bull Daddy
mortal parrot
Thanks guys!!! 
fresh current
Bow if you like it I suppose
flint pulsar
don't forget to try the other weapons
craggy sundial
Bow is horrible :(
flint pulsar
u need to beat the game with the other weapons too so yea
flint pulsar
Bow is horrible :(
debatable
craggy sundial
i dont get how im ever gonna beat even tartarus with the bow
fresh current
Bow probably takes the most blood to make good of any of the weapons
flint pulsar
it's a kiting thing I suppose
mortal parrot
Hmmm good to know!!!!!
fresh current
But it is god-tier once you have the important aspects online
flint pulsar
Bow probably takes the most blood to make good of any of the weapons
eh chiron level 1 is not bad actually
craggy sundial
Bow probably takes the most blood to make good of any of the weapons
How many blood can i get in total?
fresh current
Whatttttttt
uneven ledge
chiron is boring at lvl 1
fresh current
3 special arrows is cheeks
I mean, you can get more than you’ll ever need
I can tell you that
craggy sundial
I suppose the hydra's diamond turns into blood after beating it first?
uneven ledge
chiron is one of those aspects you really wanna max out
flint pulsar
How many blood can i get in total?
total of ||258 with up to heat 20 with every weapon||
muted latch
||you can not max out every weapon by going up to 20 heat only||
you will also need a dozen or so blood from other sources
trading and prophecies
uneven ledge
I suppose the hydra's diamond turns into blood after beating it first?
each time you defeat a boss with each different weapon, you get their bounty. each boss has a different bounty that can only be obtained once per weapon, at least at which point of the game you're in and if you defeat a boss again with the same weapon they drop darkness instead
oak egret
wow now i just realize if u gift a thing for other characters u get a reward , i keep gifting to Hypnos when i die 
fresh current
||you will run out of uses for ambrosia way before blood, and it’s a 1:1 exchange at the broker after. That can get you a lot of blood when you’re done with character missions||
oak egret
should watch youtube guide first
fresh current
Gift Sisyphus first
uneven ledge
make sure to give everyone at least one nectar so you can get their keepsakes
fresh current
Daddy rockman
worldly vigil
holy wow max chaos shield with doom on special is nasty
muted latch
||total blood required: 306, 0+20 heat on each weapon gives out 252, you will need to get the rest from prophecies and trading||
muted latch
you also dont need to max out everything
flint pulsar
if u main only certain aspects
muted latch
150 is probably enough for most people
flint pulsar
yea
fresh current
|| I maxed out all my weapons long before I hit 20 with every weapon using trading ||
muted latch
I personally didnt bother once I get all the aspect I constantly use
and then just focus on story and ||high heat runs||
fresh current
For sure, just dont want to scare the rookies
mortal parrot
Wow these are all good tips 😂😂😂
polar smelt
holy wow max chaos shield with doom on special is nasty
I told you chaos shield best shield
mortal parrot
I’m really new
fresh current
You will get plenty of blood. Play the game as it wants you to play it and you shall be rewarded. Amen
polar smelt
welcome bayleaf, enjoy
worldly vigil
I told you <:POGGERS:385681674194780160> chaos shield best shield
so true lol
flint pulsar
yup amen brother
polar smelt
I think it's time to attempt a ||gy|| run 
brb re-reading the essay that got sent to me on it
fresh current
Starfox_Good_LUUCK.mp4
turbid edge
||total blood required: 306, 0+20 heat on each weapon gives out 252, you will ne...
||10 nectar to diamond, 2 diamond to ambrosia, ambrosia to blood, repeat. Takes a long time, but will eventually get you enough blood||
worldly vigil
I feel like buying in styx would be immensly faster than that
turbid edge
Yeah, I was just throwing out something that can be farmed without being at all competent at getting to Styx lol
It would probably take at least 100 hours at that point, which would honestly not be worth the time investment
turbid edge
Yeah, especially ||surface fishing||
light grove
if you have trouble with the timing, try reacting to the sound rather than the visual (bobber dropping). Auditory reflexes are slightly faster than visual reflexes
I used to never get ||perfect catches|| and now I get them all the time
turbid edge
I personally wait a tiny bit after the sound/vibration and it still gives me a perfect
Probably a decently large timing window
mortal parrot
Ok I have another question! Is their something that tells you who so far you’ve given a nectar/potion to?
mortal parrot
Ok! So if someone has a heart does that mean I’ve given a potion to them?
drowsy plover
Yep
mortal parrot
Thanks!!!
craggy sundial
Ok! So if someone has a heart does that mean I’ve given a potion to them?
The potion is nectar :)
unkempt wind
nectar is just friendship potion isn't it
craggy sundial
Hehehe i can play hades again
Today ill beat asphodel
I have 10 more HP than last time and needed one more hit on hydra
With a little bit of rng to get some aphrodite buffs
I will beat it
worldly vigil
have you gotten your first clear yet?
empty depot
yep
empty depot
oh
muted latch
it's also required if you want all achievements
muted latch
||the 32 heat one is also the sole reward for clears past 20 heat||
||you only need the 16 heat one for achievement, 32 is not required||
worldly vigil
I'm confused with the achievments. I don't have the one for keepsakes, yet I have every keepsake in the game
empty depot
32 heat is kinda hard
empty depot
ı am only missing one keepsake
muted latch
there is one gated behind endgame story
empty depot
and the character that gives that keepsake is undiscovered
muted latch
||clear the game 10 times||⬅️ spoiler on how to get the last one
empty depot
what
worldly vigil
..just do it
worldly vigil
enjoy lol
worldly vigil
I believe that is a spoiler in this channel.. Also I found it to be harder at first, but once I got used to it the same
pastel cipher
It's not (Alecto), spoilers are reaching end boss for the first time onwards
muted latch
if something can be met without meeting the final boss, it's not a spoiler
craggy sundial
i dont know why alecto showed up
worldly vigil
ah okay mb
craggy sundial
furthest i've gone is almost beating hydra
Oh god i have a real artemis run rn
about to get my third boon from her
shadow thunder
playing with kbm, is it worth playing with aim assist? I can't tell if its better or not
craggy sundial
oh well
tisiphone was ez
I BEAT HYDRAAA!!!
AND I STILL HAVE 2/2 REVIVES LEFT
i have 144/225 HP on floor 4 or 5 of elysium with 2 revives left
i might clear my first time
:O
awesome stuff
silk swift
Have you run into the Elysium boss fight before?
torn heart
I thought asphodel was way more annoying than elysium, first time I made it to ely I made it through
empty depot
ı won that 3rd time
torn heart
My problem was I thought they had to die at the same time so I took them both low
torn heart
it becomes really annoying with his aoe spam and the bull on you
drowsy plover
Anyone having this problem when you use special and it goes the wrong way?
muted latch
what weapon
drowsy plover
For rail
molten blaze
it does that when the throw hits an obstacle and bounces off
drowsy plover
I have this problem especially against Theseus. I usually hit special when he's behind a pillar and it goes off the other way
normal viper
Anyone having this problem when you use special and it goes the wrong way?
it bounces off of any walls and stuff btw
silk swift
Well. Good luck when you do. It can be a handful the first few times.
oak egret
Im just throw my first clear 
drowsy plover
20 clears later and it's still a handful. Asterius hits like a truck
oak egret
||I have 100hp and 1 DD at phase 2 hades but still lose ||
silk swift
Spoiler bruh
oak egret
Sr my bad
sharp arrow
I just escaped and apparently theres more content. 
reef bough
I'm still going through the unique boons for the three sisters of faith stuff, feels bad when I actually get decent stuff during those trash runs XP
Or the other way around where I'm trying to go for a real run and I run into those boons I haven't gotten yet so I take them
sharp arrow
Thanks! Poseidon and Zeus boons are my favorite so far.
muted latch
first clear is truly the actual beginning
everything before that is just a big tutorial
sleek axle
first clear is where the real game begins
polar smelt
first escape is 1% of real content 
muted latch
probably yeah
I'm ~90 hours and should be getting to ||epilogue|| within the next 5
and I got my first clear at 5 ish hours I think
and p sure by the time of ||epilogue|| I would still have about 1 or 2 side story not completed
fresh current
Just gonna drop a little something I think I worked out a while back for new players re:fishing
This is all by just observing the game, so take conclusions with a grain of salt, but after teaching myself this rhythm I’m able to predict the fish bite with very good accuracy
So, catching a fish is always a function of N+1 bounces, where N is between 0 and 3
A catch will always occur on the +1 “downbeat” after the “upbeat” of one of the false pulses, and it will always happen quickly after the pulse
Which means that if you feel a false pulse and nothing happens for a second, you’re going to get another one, with another potential “catching” “downbeat” to accompany it
You can receive between 0 and 3 false pulses before the fish bites
So if you get good with the timing you can learn to anticipate when the fish bite is coming and get a perfect catch 75% of the time
I say 75% because you still can’t account for an insta-bite using this, that’s a 100% pure reflex test, so you can still get punk’d there
The game seems to always follow the pattern of (check for bite) -> (if no bite add +1 false pulse and goto 10)
But each false pulse is a roll for a bite, and the bite will happen between zero and three rolls (three max false pulses before the fish has to bite)
uneven ledge
i legitimately cannot read all that but if it adds something if there are 3 false pulses the fourth one is always going to be a hit
fresh current
Yes, that is correct
fresh current
There’s more but that is definitely correct
I wish I could post pictures
A picture would make it easy
You have 4 potential opportunities to catch and 3 potential false pulses
Think of a light switch moving up and down
There are 4 down positions, and 3 up
It’s like Russian roulette
After every time the switch flips down there is a chance to catch
uneven ledge
there's like this really weird thing i've figure out with how i can consistently anticipate when it's gonna pulse
fresh current
That chance will either happen or not happen quickly
stray terrace
the delay between the third and fourth is really long from my experience
uneven ledge
hard to explain
uneven ledge
kind of like an "internal clock" going from 1 to 3
fresh current
By the 4th time the light switch flips down it has to fire the catch
There are no more opportunities to do so, the game is complete
uneven ledge
if it goes past 2 then it's going to be a false pulse, and then the clock resets
fresh current
Yes
uneven ledge
i doubt i'd be able to explain this myself
fresh current
There is a timing to be aware of
The catch will happen quickly after the pulse or not at all
stray terrace
are you guys fish channelers or something
uneven ledge
it just seemingly spontaneously clicked with me one day
fresh current
No I literally just learned this through osmosis one day lol
The 3-pattern one clicked in my head spontaneously then I started noticing it more and more until I had catalogued a complete behavior pattern
uneven ledge
it just kinda... clicked somehow
fresh current
and honestly pattern diagnosing was a job of mine in a past life so it wasn’t that hard to suss out once I knew I was looking for something and it wasn’t purely random lol
uneven ledge
wait what do you mean i can get paid for this
humble ore
Why in the world does ||the final boss have 2 lives?!? Completely caught me off guard and destroyed me when I thought I had completed the game||
uneven ledge
nobody tell him about the ||third phase||
stray terrace
||but like did you expect him to just go down that easily?||
stray terrace
sounds about right
humble ore
I was so sad I still had all 3 death defiances after doing every room in Styx
And full health at the end bc of the fountain and Dionysus
stray terrace
do you like need tips?
humble ore
Nah, I’m good at learning boss patterns and how to avoid them
Hollow Knight taught a lot of that
stray terrace
screw absrad
uneven ledge
...markoth still gets me
stray terrace
everybody gangsta until the floor disappears
drifting island
markoth is literally one of the worst LOL
hollow ledge
Why in the world does ||the final boss have 2 lives?!? Completely caught me off ...
same. That happens to everyone
polar smelt
Why in the world does ||the final boss have 2 lives?!? Completely caught me off ...
we get 3+ DDs, ||why can't he get at least one 
||
hollow ledge
Hollow Knight taught a lot of that
Nightmare King Grimm still gives me... nightmares
humble ore
Nightmare King Grimm still gives me... nightmares
Same Shivers Great music though
hollow ledge
yup, love the soundtrack
uneven ledge
humble ore
But anyways I was super close, I got him below 2/3 of his health for his final phase
humble ore
we get 3+ DDs, ||why can't he get at least one <:PepeHands:443171107194011650>||
We’re just built different
hollow ledge
Hades is god of the genre for me - excellent writing, interesting characters, addicting gameplay, lot of content, beautiful graphics, great mechanics and really good controls
humble ore
And it works on my trashy laptop so yeah one of my new fav games
uneven ledge
it's at least playable on my laptop
i only ever get 60fps when standing near that big door to achilees' left
humble ore
60 FPS?!? My laptop is 6 years old there’s no way I can get 60 on it
reef bough
Woot second 5 heat clear with Zag Shield Poseidon
uneven ledge
my laptop no like elysium
regal patio
we get 3+ DDs, ||why can't he get at least one <:PepeHands:443171107194011650>||
|| Except, we only heal to half 😭 ||
polar smelt
|| Except, we only heal to half 😭 ||
||well maybe when we're the god of death we will! ||
uneven ledge
when you beat the final boss without getting hit
uneven ledge
humble ore
No no it’s fine, I just want you to let others know as well!
humble ore
I recommend killing the bull first, it’s way easier
Then you can focus on hitting Theseus’s back
muted latch
killing asterius first is the recommended strat
uneven ledge
or if you're actually mad you can just go for both of them at the same time
treat it as a single entity you're beating up instead of two things you're splitting your attention between
idk it worked for me once
reef bough
Sometimes I just spam attacks against the bull and Theseus goes half health before it dies
sleek axle
You can do that once you've fought them hundreds of times
Usually you can kill them pretty quickly like that
Takes me about 20-30 seconds
muted latch
I once accidentally got theseus first
uneven ledge
i got em in like 30 seconds with a chaos shield doom build
muted latch
because I have ricochet shot on hestia rail with heart rend
uneven ledge
now that i think about it i should actually try that sometime
muted latch
and almost every ricochet shot from buffed hestia crit him for 1.5K
polar smelt
am I dumb or am I missing something crucial about merciful end,
it activates doom things early, so what? you just go back to hitting them anyway 
uneven ledge
ok so
craggy sundial
Oh well, back in elysium again!
muted latch
you need to get doom effect on the target first
uneven ledge
take the sword (or fists)
get doom on attack and deflect on special + dash
and boom
polar smelt
okay so my issue is that i'm not using the right "activation" gotcha
been using demeter fists special
lel
uneven ledge
you still need to get deflect on either attack or special, ideally special
polar smelt
yeah I get that but the "repeatedly" part
doesn't really work with demeter fists special
lol
(I have the boon, just trying to figure out why I find it so mediocre)
uneven ledge
even though you need divine strike or flourish to get merciful end it actually procs if you land a hit using anything that can deflect anyway, such as phalanx shot
polar smelt
yeah def prefer just a zeusy type build then
ME just seems okay
though I have been very unlucky and not had the stacking doom boon in 4 rerolls
leaden whale
ME is good mainly if you can proc it a lot; usually just switching some attack than a special is a bit slow. Using ares attack and athena dash is a good way to proc it fast on any weapon with a good dash attack, and i think it's the main way to play ME; or some weapon can proc it fast too (Zeus shield special can be a good exemple: you can launch your special and keep attacking)
leaden whale
ME can be really strong, so i'm ok with it to be a little harder to have everything to work with it.
humble ore
How does ME work?
leaden whale
your reflects trigger your doom effects, with some added dmg
leaden whale
yes
humble ore
Ok cool
leaden whale
you need attack and special from Ares and Athena to unlock it.
fresh current
ME on Demeter actually sounds disgusting now that you mention it
I’ve never thought about that
leaden whale
both your attack and special need to be from Athena and Ares (one of each), and Athena dash is just a good way to proc ME, but you don't need it to have ME.
fresh current
Merciful end REQUIRES having ares and Athena in your attack and special
Doesn’t matter which order, they both have to be there
humble ore
Ok thanks for clarification
fresh current
But then the secret is to also get Athena dash
And that’s the switch that you’ll actually use to proc ME
In addition to her dash being SS tier
On its own
humble ore
Yeah I might get rid of the special once I have the duo but maybe not
fresh current
ME is B R O K E N
No dont do it
Athena special gud
Depends on the weapon but Athena gud
humble ore
I don’t really use special a lot but that’s my play style
fresh current
Is this for fists?
humble ore
No spear
fresh current
Oh, understandable have a nice day
Spear really isn’t the most broken weapon to go for ME with
But ME is ME
humble ore
I mean that could be good with the sword since the special is AOE
fresh current
Nah its more for the deflect and damage utility of Athena
humble ore
Cool thanks
fresh current
Sword would be a good candidate
fresh current
Though Athena’s boons are homely as a god, they cannot be overstated in value. She is generally tied for 2nd biggest % increase with Demeter, behind Aphrodite
Big #s but attack speed to slow for me
Zag ME with +3 Hermès dashes 👀
But maim is funnnn with ME
Big boi damage hours
flint pulsar
Yessir
fresh current
But back to Athena
Reflect is also probably the best single ability in the game for “Things that win you runs”
And it comes with its own (long-lasting) curse you can get
So dont ever fall into the trap of thinking Athena is bad on attack or special just because she’s boring. She’s boring and gamebreakingly powerful
humble ore
She is extremely powerful
flint pulsar
Yup
fresh current
Hermès additional dash
Never Stop Dash Attacking
And the whole room explodes in seconds
humble ore
Definitely going to try that
fresh current
I literally dont know how they let ME in the game
#1 most busted duo or legendary dont @ me
You can use Talos fists for meathooking enemies or you can use zag fists for extra dodge because you’re going to be spending all your time up close and personal going unga bunga
Or actually now that I saw it mentioned Demeter fists because Athena has excellent % that compliment the multi-upper great
But if I had a gun to my head I’d take zag and work on my ME build. That’s nutty enough as it is
Zag fists + ||hermes keepsake|| + that ME build is something you can take from the start of the game and it wont run out of steam ||until the heat board does||
sleek axle
Lol
sleek pond
Yeah, the "other guy" in that fight is a pain. He's easy imo but you have to be super patient with some builds.
humble ore
Highly recommend saving for the third death defiance, it’s definitely worth the 1000 darkness
uneven ledge
and if you lose it there's a chance that you can just buy back a dd at a well of charon
flint pulsar
I reset
My darkness for third dd
Because I was investing into like everything else but third dd
modern ivy
Im not
HAHAHA
ill get back to becoming worthy
Its just spear hammers feel weak in general
north tendon
i like the spear
and the there is a triple strike upgrade that makes it pretty powerful
sleek pond
Spear is my favorite weapon
uneven ledge
what exactly happens if i reset the mirror? do i have to recollect all the darkness and unlock everything with keys again?
sleek pond
Get some range and critical return and it's game over for them
No you get your darkness back
And everything you unlocked stays. You can just respend your darkness. It's like a respec.
rich cave
Resetting the mirror just refunds all the darkness you’ve put into the mirror
sleek pond
Oof, gl
fluid yoke
just go || arthur || /j
rich cave
Just use max ||routine inspection|| lol
fluid yoke
ngl|| a heat run using like only max ri would probably be harder than alot of heats above it ||
rich cave
Yes
fluid yoke
|| hardest 8 heat run in existence||
rich cave
I’m pretty sure ||routine inspection|| is the only one that wasn’t maxed in the ||highest heat run that’s been done||
fluid yoke
that would make alot of sense
fresh current
I actually like ||one stack of RI for cranking up the heat. I just pretend I’m playing the game from the seat of a bright eyed lil grom who hasn’t gotten that far on the mirror yet|| and I forget its there
But max would be oof
rich cave
But ||rerolls||
fresh current
I could see 2 stacks, but I couldn’t lose my 2nd dash with 3 nosiree
||git gud and embrace the heart of the cards||
Also pick gods maybe that dont care about that
Zeus and arty say hi
But honestly I dont mind it
rich cave
My builds are dependent on getting specific boons though
fresh current
I just place my faith in my grandfathers deck
fluid yoke
i mean
fresh current
And my grandfathers deck has no bad cards
rich cave
Like I need to get Zeus attack and divine dash or I’m done
fluid yoke
dark foresight + pride/legacy + fated persuasion
fresh current
You just get trash boons
fluid yoke
very little control of my builds
rich cave
How much ||heat|| does it even give you
fluid yoke
|| 2 per level||
sleek pond
Speak for yourself. My deck sucks if I don't cheat it several times.
fluid yoke
|| and theres 4 levels?||
fresh current
Yeah ||1 is enough for me though thanks. Not trying to lose PS until I have to much later||
Only 1
uneven ledge
||8 heat to remove all the upgrades you spent so long grinding for||
rich cave
It should be at least ||3 heat|| per level. I can see maybe 2 for level one but it should go up from there.
fresh current
Oof
fresh current
Yeah I can’t recommend anything beyond one stack
fluid yoke
|| 8 heat for losing all of your buffs when you could just make some bosses harder and turn on a timer||
fresh current
Losing PS alone would be catastrophic for me
flint pulsar
Yea