#h1-for-new-players
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If you mean the actual act of fishing, look for a white spot of light in liquid areas. There will be a ding sound when combat ends if one is present, and Zag will often comment on fishing spots if you walk by one. To catch fish, you have to press RB (sorry, don't know keyboard equivalent) when there is a white flash and the bobber goes under. There's a sound cue as well
Oh wow this is interesting. Just discovered that if you get Demeter Rare crop on a boon and then sell that Boon to Underworld Customs and get it again later, it still upgrades due to rare crop
which aspect is good on malphon?
Talos is good for beginners
Not necessarily
They’re all equally as good for players of all levels
It just depends on playstyle
For zag and Demeter aspect to be really good they have to be fully upgraded though, whereas talos aspect is almost equally as good at all levels
All is good, but I am assuming that you have limited Blood and looking for something that is good and cheap, I would suggest Zag Fist. Both Talos and Demeter are solid but both needs a decent amount of blood.
Zag Fist isn't as flashy but can hold its own regardless of how much blood you put into it.
It's a fist. That's it.
The damage boost on magnetized enemies from talos is all that changes when you upgrade it
Demeter aspect on the other hand changes how much damage stacks from using your special
And zag aspect just gives you dodge chance which is really good but the max is 15% and anything under that isn’t as useful as the other aspects
I thought Demeter was a waste of blood ngl, I don’t usually get a chance to trigger the 12 attacks, and the counter resets when you leave the room
So, I beat Meg or whatever her name was and took a break. Do I have to reset from the first area every time?
With fists you are constantly attacking
It charges up fast
you charge it up in like 3 secs
Yes
how slow are you attacking
That’s what a rogue lite is. Welcome to the genre.
It’s not 12 attack bursts, it’s 12 individual punches
I’ve played one other, but didn’t do that. But thanks
Rougelike games make you start from the beginning every time
If you quit for dinner or something, you return to your progress if you didn't die.
if you enter a room and quit before you do anything, you can have your save game start you in that room next time
but if you quit later then that, they void your save file, I think it's to prevent people save cheating
i quit once after I beat the final boss but before I picked up the reward, just to have that whole run canceled
it was rough
to be specific, there are 2 options:
"Give up" resets your whole run, you get a warning telling you this
"Quit" will let you restart at your last savepoint
quit is greyed out after you play the room for a while
yep yep
and if you force close the game without quitting, your run is gone
yep also true
||Gahhh i almost beat hades||
Up to the point i have already used up all of my death defiances
And then life hits you hard
It was my 39th attempt
as in the name
If it makes you feel any better my first escape was on my 42nd try
mine was 30th
So keep going and you'll do it eventually
which probably doesn't make you feel any better but everyone plays at their own pace

I turned on god mode after 16 attemps I think, things got easier
I was aiming to at least beat it under 50 attempts
Got to ||hades|| on my 28th try then got destroyed
Oh i didnt use god mod, || I even cleared all the gates on the styx stage, in hoping that there would be another charon's well for death defiance ||
Going through styx gates even after you got the sack isn't really advisable
i feel like
if you need
something for the build
from the other tunnels
its worth it
but if you're going for time and have the health and boons to probably do it you shouldnt
like if you need an extra boon to complete your build
in some way
I had 1 DD left, and bought another
yeah thats a good ide
I got lucky
I keep seeing achillies spear being referred to as a cast build, why is that? Isn’t that the one where you throw the spear and dash to where it landed?
lmao
||like this||
or refer to them as final boss or redacted ^_^
its gud
Congrats btw!
thanks
congrats 

hi, to get acess to varatha final form, i already spent 5 blood titan at zagreu's, and dind't show up. am i doing something wrong?

@errant anvil to get the hidden aspect you need to ||talk to specific characters a certain number of times. Each weapon is associated with a different character.||
So who should I give my Nectar to once I've given one to everyone?
I gave all mine to Cerberus
And did the same thing with ambrosia
Because Zagreus loves his dog, okay
If I beat ||the hydra at heat 1 for the first time using a weapon, will I be able to get the diamond again at heat 0 if i never did so?||
no
whoops, ok, gotta slow down i guess
||youll only get the diamond again after you clear an escape attempt and do it againwith 1 heat||
ohhh gotcha
You can get all boss resources through repeatable trades, so technically they're all infinite resources. It's just very slow and probably inefficient.
So don't worry about losing out on stuff
is hades better with controller?
not necessarily, some people prefer controller, others prefer KB+M
movement is easier with an analog stick vs WASD tho
but aiming is easier on a mouse
Most speedrunners use controller. WASD+Mouse is better for a specific weapon tho.
at least to me
yeah i just wanna play casual
It's personal preference though. Mouse and keyboard gives me carpel tunnel.
im just gonna play with controller and see if i like it
go for it
Any lobbing mechanic is better with mouse. Instead of trying to aim it, you just click.
Is there a way to stop god mode's percentage reduction from increasing? I'm at 56% and still struggling and past the point where I think increasing it any more is going to do me any good in the long run.
It will keep on increasing until it reaches 80%
yes
yeah unfortunately the damage reduction % only goes up, not down.
what's your least favourite weapon choice?
shield is not bad tho
yeah but it takes forever
i don't like the gun
wouldn't say so
even with eris rail?
i don't like reloading it manually LOOL
i mean it d0es reload naturally
I cleared the whole game in like 23 mins, and that's my best timer, I'm sure it can be done faster, but for me that's a lot
with any weapon
@sleek axle what's your best weapon, you made me curios on the timer
also do you guys always pick the glowing weapon on every run?
eris rail
is there any point on using the || resource director, or just getting badges that mean nothing? ||
rail with the eternal chamber I suppose
badges?
eris rail + rocket bomb+ delta chamber/cluster bomb destroys
late game stuff
okay
Do you see them on the character or somewhere else?
||its next to your health bar||
Are you more likely to be offered duo boons if you have multiple prerequisites, or does it not matter how many as long as you have at least one from each category?
I’m pretty sure as long as you have met the prerequisites, they have a fixed chance of dropping, no matter how many more you have
Good to hear. I would hate to have to take suboptimal choices to try to force them.
ayy congrats 
40th attempt i think?
guess with which weapon
the least favourite of mine lmao
the one i mentioned above
guys, silly question, how do I advance the character's stories? by giving nectars and waiting?
That’s one way to do it!
You’ll eventually unlock new methods of advancing character stories
oh ok! thank you so much <3
Wondering if the fact that you get ||the little chibi symbol by the keepsake|| is a spoiler considering a few of them are emotes in the discord
Technically it is not
Anything pre final boss is not spoiler
And strong bond is just max hearts
Which is honey ambrosia
Is nemesis better than ||arthur||?
i have a question post first successful run:
|| The pact of punishment just adds difficulty and challenges for the loots?||
yep
||it refreshes the opportunity to win titan blood, diamonds, the usual boss loot||
Yeah basically
okay thank you
i keep struggling with the heros boss fight. any advice?
Go for asterius first
After he dies the fight becomes easier
And you might want to wait for theseus to drop to half hp before using any greater calls because he just stands still and you can hit him very easily
Other than that when you see theseus charging up his spin attack dash away
It does quite a number on your health
After fighting against them a number of times, i can now defeat both without getting hit
Now it's time to beat them with ||extreme measures|| on
i feel ive been relying on health on hit boon more then other boons. is that always good or maybe go a different route for builds?
yah i am
When you put a build together do you want to get the core parts of the build ASAP or do you want to focus on getting the parts that help you out immediately?
Like, in level 1, when you're picking your keepsake, do you want the keepsakes that are going to be for boons that help out your build in the end or do you want boons that help you survive level 1?
There might not be a good answer for this but what's a good thing to get to help you survive level 1?
Or is anything that's core on a build also good for level 1?
Well you'd probably want a good attack/dash boon for starters
Then from there you can either get supporting boobs for that or get a cast boon
Then just pick the boons thatll best compliment your playstyle
Does escaping with different weapons get you anything besides the fate list thing?
Okay. Silly question, but: how do I know what my playstyle is?
Is it just the play style of the weapon?
idk when i think of "playstyle" i just think of which weapons, and which builds i enjoy the most
Yeah don't overthink it.
Haha okay. I think I've got it.
Who better to annoyance between Athena and Aphrodite?
Athena'a is annoying - especially when she summons greatshields only.
You'll struggle to damage them, and then when you kill them, they'll turn invincible, and revive while invincible, and rinse and repeat until you get lucky and Athena doesn't make them immortal
Yah always fight Athena, it's the easiest of them all
Aphrodite is so annoying because it seeks/does damage/charms you.
Theyre all pretty annoying especially in Elysium where enemies can regenerate and you have to move away to not get hit by the aoe
Well, it took 2 death defiance, but I beat Thesus & the Minotaur!
tis a better question for #h1-builds-and-combat
am I not a new player anymore
||what are the bountys in the pact of punishment||?
it's moreso that the ||pact|| is spoilers here and you can talk freely about it in the #h1-builds-and-combat channel ^_^
||just the rewards, so each heat level you go up, you get the titan blood, diamond, ambrosia & hades titan blood again||
that's fair, i'll go chuck it there 
Well, made it to the final boss. Couldn't beat them though.
grats on the progress though
Can't find what to do with the ambrosia back at the house (assuming it is there)
as you develop your relationships with the characters, ambrosia will have a use
nectar is a $10 wine, ambrosia is a $100 
yeah first would you mind editing your message to refer to the final boss as final boss/redacted/||hades|| as it's a rule in this channel 
second, the #1 thing I learned which helped so much was dashing through him
sorry haha
it avoids so much damage
Hm
he'll miss his ||blood boil||, you won't have to guess which way he's ||doing the 360 swing||
gl gl
just popping in to say hey gang
just got a clear! On my 111th attempt, too. thanks for all your help everybody.
Grats!
nice nice nice
You made it!!!
congrats ^ ^
hey guys
can anyone tell what are best boon for dash strike build with aspect of nemisis?
it is really up to you, if you want more a defensive dash you can get athena while if you want more aggressive dash you can go for zeus
there's no "better" option, just what you "better" work with
I'm an aggressive type of player but if I had shit boon I would go for athena
Hello! I'm on my 21'st attempt, and got crushed at the Temple, 1st time there. I also just unlocked all the weapons.
The third zone still feels very hard, and the boss is just oof, any tips? Thank you
You'd want to target asterius first as the fight gets easier after you kill him
Also keep watch for theseus' spin attack and dash away whenever you see it
You'll also want to use your greater call when theseus is at halp hp as he stands still and is alot easier to hit
you can get asterius (the minautor) in a corner behind a pillar and have a 1v1 without theseus
once you learn theseus pattern you can go all out in there and beat him first
I found that easier personally
it's really up to you
the fun part about doing this is that Theseus and Asterius usually die together
so it's just 1 fight instead of 2
I see.. i just got lucky i guees, since normally Theseus just snipes me while i'm concentrating on Asterius
Even with damage resistance he does soo much oh god
I'll take that in mind!
Thank you
np ^ ^
Worst feeling in roguelike games is having an awesome run and then dying to the final boss
Git gud.
I will
Fox with the pro strats for new players 
It actually got me motivated because now i know that I can do it
The game is pretty good at reinforcing you as a player, I find
That's the spirit. Good luck!
Every game with some sort of difficulty does that
Except Dead Cells, I kinda lost the spirit there
happened like 3 days ago, but Hades is so good i didn't even felt sad or defeated, just wanted to play again
Every game does that for me: Bloodborne with its challenging bosses and great lore, Hades with dialogue and great gameplay
I love a good challenge
Cuphead with its awesome music and graphics
how does aspect of poseidon and exit wounds work with stygian soul?
not sure where to go from where im at
I've got to zegs mother a couple of times but not sure where to go now
I've been using chaos shield + Ares Keepsake and just boosting the hell out of my special
is it worth it to keep doing runs I know I can win until I finish all of the dialogue and story on the surface or should I start doing heat + new weapons?
I killed two birds with one stone; I progged through story with heat+
hey bud, a lot of those messages are considered spoilers, would you mind editing your messages and putting spoilers ||like so||.
@stray sable
to answer your question, I finished a clear on every weapon and then started going up in ||heat|| with my chaos shield as it's my most confident weapon
i know stygian soul doesn't exactly work for cast builds but how just does it interact with exit wounds?
afaik you can have bloodstones lodged into enemies to proc boiling or abyssal but how does it work if the bloodstone doesn't actually come out? does the enemy spontaneously take damage or just nothing
My first time getting past the third boss
So difficult especially as a bow user so its more difficult to punish as he blocks many shots
Any tips I could use?
Your attack window is after the throw and spin attack
He's always facing away from you after every attack
Also ||kill asterius first||
pillars are your friends to
spears can't melt steel concrete pillars... or some kind of meme like that
do yall use cast or what? i do not usually am i missing out?
Of course, cast can do a lot of damage with some aspects
Some casts are just plain useful even without much invested
^
after you beat ||Asterius||, you can dash through ||Theseus|| to get a backstab
Why doesn't ||Asterius|| speak to me? I can't get the ||aspect of gilgamesh||
||you need to encounter him in miniboss rooms for the conversation to occur||
||also,its purely rng so it might take a while||
Oh damn
Yup. || Took me a long time to get some of the aspects because the conversations just werent happening ||
||nyx|| took their sweet time with me getting the aspect I wanted 
Aight so before I run off and do something I'm likely gonna regret, what is a ||pact of punishment|| and what do those do?
||It's a way to keep the game fresh and challenging tbh,
each "heat" level you go up, you get a new set of bounties aka rewards, as well as some milestone awards at 8,16,32||
||so in essence, you can keep earning titan blood etc after you get your first clear on all weapons, by adding those "pacts"||
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh okay I thought I remember reading there were penalties for failure so that's why I was concerned
does it tell you if the fish you caught is a rare one?
||well they are penalties, but they are self imposed to add challenge/gain rewards||
i always see people in the discord with borders around their stuff in the victory screen, ive heard that it is available after a certain point, what do you have to do to unlock the extra cosmetics like that
it's probably in the codex but the rare fish are kuncklehead, Chrustacean, Charp, scuffer, projelly & bass
however I'm not 100% sure if the prophecy list wants rare fish or legendary fish, which are also things
I believe contractor unlocks them, but can't say with any certainty
Alright thanks, I'll keep on fishing then
I'd imagine legendary fish because I've caught most of those rare ones before and still haven't cleared that specific prophecy
|| Can fishing spots show up in greece? ||
||yes||
Yes
👍
In all areas iirc
That's the only way to get ||ocean fish||, right?
yes again phoenix, I've had it ||when travelling to visit mom before I got the ending||
I don't think they're 'ocean' fish since ||Greece|| has no ocean access
im pretty sure it is the contractor that sells them, i just dont know how to unlock them
I just wanted a video of Haelian finish the game with a blade rift cast/dash only build in less time than it takes me to finish a normal run 
jfc
should i get Hades for Pc or Switch?
I have the Switch version and personally love how it plays in handheld mode
I've yet to pop it up on a bigger screen yet tbh lol
60 runs in and I still don’t know what weapon to focus to push the ||heat||. Open to suggestions. 😆
Rail
I've seen that many people prefer fists but idk
Chaos shield is also pretty good for high ||heats||
Most of my runs where with Zeus shield but I enjoy the hidden sword aspect big numbers and fists speed
Haven’t tried the hidden fist aspect yet to know of it works
If
chaos shield is what I'm most comfortable with, and it's what I push ||heats|| with atm, but i'm also learning other weapons as I do consider them a lot of fun (namely demeter fists or hidden sword)
also friendly reminder that ||heats|| is a spoiler in this channel 
yeah
Added the tags to my first post
I opened the hidden bow aspect yesterday and haven’t had the time to try it yet but it seems interesting. Maybe with some Zeus special
Question: do bônus to attack apply to the dash strike too or are they separated since there are bonuses that are dash strike specific
Boons that affect attack also affect dash strikes (except attack speed for bow) but not the other way round
@tardy raptor
That’s what I thought, thanks
hey guys buff from Patroclus 60% damage for 10 encounters works for Special attacks or any other attacks other than basic attack?
question if i become close friends with someone does it make their keepsake stronger?
Nah
Sadly
awww
cuz im close friends with charon (i think thats how you spell it) and their is a little icon next to her keepsake
It's just cosmetic sadly
I also thought it'd make the keepsakes stronger when I got it first
Then was very disappointed
just so I read this correct, family favourite is the more gods you have, the more bonus dmg you do?
Yes
so more boons = more damage or more boons from a particular god = more damage
Afaik it’s just more boons
More boons from different gods
I guess if you're starting something like zeus/poseidon you could run it, since you're not starting with a status effect
you can only have 4 gods per run, right?
mm
If you force a god early on will they appear again
anyway, some builds just don't usually go for curse stacking
chiron and guan yu are two aspects that will usually go for special spam w crit instead
Chiron works very well with ps actually
I like chiron with hangover tbh, but I see your point
Cause your first special actives ps and then rest hit with ps active
Hestia seems better with FF
ah well, it's something i'll think about it 2 weeks, still need 7k more darkness just to finish off persuasion
PS is only better for specific builds or aspects
Like Chiron if you're not doing Artemis special
Potentially Eris can use PS
ME builds are good with it too
i use PS 100% of the time 
so for obvious reason we can't use ||meg companion|| in the furies fight, can you use other ||companions||?
Yeah definitely
||you can even use dusa lol, even though she's not too happy about it||

something amusing I just thought of, you could always run ||heightened security|| with hidden sword 
True - pretty clever
Hey guys. I have a question. I cannot for the life of me kill the shield dudes / third boss with the chiron bow. it is super frustrating sice the special tries to home in on em and i cannot kill him. it is one of the last weapons i need to off hades with and i am so confused. i love the chiron version so much. and it is super fun. but what can you do?
Try getting extra hermes dashes to get behind him faster
you can dash in their back before attacking, or wait until they attack to reach their back
I usually stay very close to him
1 - they get stuck for a bit once they charge, then they'll have their backs exposed
2 - charge through them and do a quick draw
k thanks!
another easy way, after he uses his range attack, he will back off a bit, offering you his back to attack
His arrogance makes me extra motivated to whoop his ass
ooh yeah 
What? How was that offensive (Coc y) just because of the word it has in it?
I'd assume so
Probably because of the first 4 letters
discord bots generally are programmed to check for curses within words
Anyway I was saying I love to kill Theseus when he's in the middle of saying something arrogant
yeah I just killed me literally 2s ago and he was complaining about me using god powers... as he summons the gods against me
oh that stung... I couldn't find the ||healing spring for poison and I have heightened security on||
my health is now significantly less
potato
okay this makes no sense. ||when you search up "Zagreus' Father" it says Zeus, When you search up "Hades' Son" it says Zagreus, But when you search up "Zeus' Son" Zagreus doesnt show up. What is Google smoking?||
can someone tell me a gun and good combinations?
|| and ones again I lost against hades he is really not easy 😅||
when you deflect the ||poison dart from the satyrs|| 👓
Hahahaha 200hp no death defiance about to try touch ||Hades at least once||| before I'm demolished halp
what weapon are you using? shield is ez mode
Chiron
every weapon is ez mode if you have the boons and hammers
chiron is ez mode
just dont stand near him and you'll be fine
shoot him from a distance
ez win
You have more hope than I I'm hanging outsude the door trying to get courage xD
I feel like calling that boss ez mode in a new player channel is not super helpful...
true
But yeah, try not to be too close to him, if you have a long cast, that helps.
Donkey being Hypno with his advice
i am hypnos
lolol
try not to take dmg next time smh
Just shoot from a distance ||try avoid the teleportation and invisibility|| glhf
Dodge everything, maximize damage, make his HP pool go to 0.
you can see ||where he lands when he goes out of invisibility if you look at the ground||
you will ||see a mark where he is||
if you do it in shield later another time, you can charge to block pretty much everything, which takes the pressure off. And like other ppl said, keep your distance u can do it
Welp I'm gonna attempt I'll be back in 10 seconds after Im demolished
you have no confidence
Godspeed.
thats why you cant beat him
i go back to sleeping while standing up
I got to half health on|| first phase ||better than 5secodn death of last time atleast
you will beat him soon
Hi! I have a question. Is it mandatory to have an internet connection while I am playing?
in PC
nope- you can play offline
thanks ^^
Blade rifts are kinda awesome
blade rift on your dash or cast?
cast
okay g ood
well theyre both good
I have something to show on #h1-victory-boasting later
athena dash is better
ive done 2 rns with blade dash and got legendary
yeah wlel divine dash is divine dahs
but blade dash + ares legendary and other boosts can do alot
yeah
I would pick poseidon over ares almost every time as well
Unless I am heavily getting into blade rift damage
it mostly depends on who you get first tbh
dpeens on the weapon as well
if im going say shield
i would want doom damage more than if i was playing like fists
you know
you dont really need divine dash if you're using shield so yeah
How can I just chees the finAL boss
How many gods do I need to butter up to max affinity for the story?
I suggest acorn if your struggling
||iirc you need to get most of the gods to max hearts meaning giving most of them ambrosia||
yeah the acorn is great
and also lucky tooth
but acorn technically gives you more damage
||3 at least, maybe 4 or 5 I have 5 right now, but I don't know whom I have given ambrosia since that part of the story||
okay
||you do need to get all the gods to the locked heart atleast||
||and some of them to full||
||most of them past locked, you may or may not need Chaos||
Jeez, that is a lot of work. Well ok...
What are keys used for after unlocking all of the weapons and the mirror?
Just cosmetics and exchanges.
will chain lightening hit back and forth between two enemies?
or hit them both and be gone?
it hits every foe once
so added bounces isnt super useful for the final fight?
ie: not one to grab in last room as option vs other options
proably
yeah
Is there a point on increasing the level of the hidden sword aspect aside from increasing the ||damage reduction|| or it also increases some hidden value like base damage o something?
No
All aspects upgrade just upgrade the numbers of whatever option was offered at the first upgrade
I suggest you dont invest much into the ||hidden sword aspect|| since its already p good without the levels compared too, let's say smt like ||aspect of guan yu||
Which is super upgrade dependant
@tardy raptor
other than blood/diamonds etc - do other rewards grow as you increase heat?
the only rewards that grow are the base ones Blood, Diamonds and Ambrosia
well they dont grow
but thats the only way to get more
other than trading
right, i got ya 🙂
i'm just clearing a couple quests, and dont want to do them at heat 7
yeah
Ty! Its from Kokoro connect
I’ve been spoiled one or two story beats for hades, I hate myself
Basically I looked up
||When can you give Persephone nectar|| on Google (Spoiler if you haven’t beaten the full story)
whoops
Yeah, huge mistake
God damn it
At least I don’t know the narrative connective tissue between that and where I currently am at the game
I’m currently on my 6th clear
Don't I get to || fish at the ponds in greece and at the cottage anymore after the credits? (Except for the one at the hades arena) ||
||after you have gotten the credits you no longer go to the cottage, you just get a dialogue and die||
||aww thats a shame, I liked the cottage ||
||yeah same||
|| You still have a chance of seeing a fish in the hades room but yeah, Greece was so pretty, I'm sad I can't watch the sun rise anymore ||
||is there increased odds of greece fish in hades arena after you unlock credits?||
Anecdotally I'd say the odds are 20-30% chance
surprised all the fighting doesnt scare the fish away lmao
I love this game so much that I almost feel bad about getting it on sale
Like damn, I haven't been invested in games much lately but this one is just too good
buy the whole sgg bundle
Do you have to keep the butterfly on to keep the dps buff? or can you farm a few % in tartarus and then switch?
No and you shouldn't.
Why? @sly vigil with ||arthurs|| sword it is kinda easy to stack it up
even if i am new at the game
you need to keep the butterfly (and the plume) on to retain their bonuses
they are both "all in" keepsakes
yeah. the no is to your first question.
the shouldn't is to your second question. you lose the bonus so there is no reason really to take it only for a biome.
:D I should have been more clear.
if you want to use the butterfly or the plume you need to use them the whole run
I just realize that it should have been a yes
You do lose the bonus once you swap out.
yeah
English hard, my 2 brain cells are on weekend vacation :D
lol
ah yea then i understand :D
who needs braincells
sure thing :D i thought the second answer implied was implied in the first
just buttonsmash
true true
Yokes
it's called limit testing
Yeah especially since I just dash everywhere and get hit by traps 99% of the time
And I dash into lava a lot too
@ionic scaffold ||the pact of punishment|| is spoilers in this channel as an fyi 
but isn't that option there when you begin the game?
It isn't (sans hell mode, but that's an exception) it only apears after clearing your first run
Which therefore makes it spoilers here
I started a save file with hell mode so I assumed everyone knew it was there
Don't assume your experience is the same as everyone elses ^_^
It was by accident and apparently you can't fix it
So please spoiler tag ||the heightened security pact||
Same for you @flint pulsar pleaae
Ty Rin 
Ah my apologizes
so ya i just beat Bone Hydra on my first ever attempt and I'm feeling pretty pumped 😄
I'm just scared I won't be able to do it again haha
good job!
I was using the bow though and I never needed to get close for that reason
not sure how it's gonna go with a melee weapon :S
you just gotta figure out when to dash away
when you see it raise its head really high its going to do a slam attack
if you dont dash away itll do a lot of damage
the more you fight it the more youll see the patterns
it gets easier over time
you know it bro
crit gang crit gang
weirdly I only go crit on hidden sword, I know some people like it on chiron but eh
Heart Rend Chiron is a lot of fun
Need help settling a debate. Hades aspect is my favorite spear aspect, but my friend thinks it’s the weakest. I think Achilles is weaker and GY is just higher skill cap
I mean... it's pretty subjective
There's no debate as this game is 100% personal preference 
however I personally think achilles is nutty
Honestly I don't like either
Dealing 125 damage per cast with no boons is 👍 👍 👍
Achilles is my preference as well
Achilles actually got a lot of mobility
Just chucking your spear then practically warping to it is pretty great
Achilles is also good for cast builds right? Because after your rush you get a damage buff that works on your cast
Yes, im in a zeus cast achilles run rn 
I havent actually used it yet because my preferred aspect is Hades as well
Achillies is bae. It's like another dash that does damage
It is amazing for cast builds
for anyone who regularly goes achilles cast, what do you actually look for? I went zeus cast for obvious reasons but apart from that I've been just flailing around not thinking
Mirage Shot and to have 4 casts total (at least)
Blizzard shot with Achilles is a lot of fun but requires a lot of moving parts
do you go poseidon opening keepsake on your achilles build wight?
Honestly though just pick the cast of your choice, get extra casts, and extra cast damage
Sometimes, yes
yeah was just htinking since mirage & blizzard are both poseidon duos
I wonder if zeus has anything that benefits casts s
cause I like zeus adclear
uh
phalanx shot
athena | zeus duo
makes athenas cast chain between enemies
i used it once it was cool
not great in reality since you'd be forced to start phalanx
which is bad for adclear compared to zeus
adclear?
oh
If you want Maximum Meme, go ||Crystal Clarity|| Achilles with Stygian, Fully Loaded, and Chaos +1 cast for 4 casts that never run out
yeah ||demeter|| keepsake achilles sounds amusing
@polar smelt you have smouldering air, use your damn call
As a new player, what boons should I be focusing on?
depends on the build also
Check that out?
Yeah it's only for vanilla weapons. But it's a good start nonetheless.
Deflect Dash is good on its own
Like I've never been disappointed with deflect dash, ever
but like i would rather have other dashes in certain situations
for the build or to get certain books
boons if thst makes sense
if im doing a knockback build tidal dash is amazing
and divine dash won't give me that
No need to deflect when knockback is your answer with that build
How many weapons total are there? 6? I heard someone say those 6 are just vanilla weapons though?
what do you guys think of the talos aspect of malphon?
i recently acquired it and it is pretty dope
I maxed out Zag Malphon because I'm a lowkey sucker for dodge chance
i took the athena boon on the special
so like most of my incoming damage is deflected
nice i completed my first escape with exagryph and the second with coronacht
I like it but I like demeter more
https://i.imgur.com/NeGXore.jpg
good idea
havent got a chance to unlock aspect of demeter yet
@rich cave how do you just appear when demeter fists are mentioned 
I was summoned
XD XD XD
mans' got a chaos gate for demeter aspect mentions
idk man shield works good but i have only used it for bounty collection
So how viable is dodge? Is it something you'd want to actively seek out or is it too inconsistent?
for me it has been very inconsistent
I think if you're taking it from hermes it's fine, I wouldn't go out of my way to take plume though
i see
Yeah Plume needs you to build stacks from the beginning
When you can have other more effective and immediate keepsakes
Same for Than's keepsake i think
i usually equip the hypnos wallet in tartarus followed by cerberus collar in asphodel broken spearpoint in elysium and lucky tooth in styx
what about yall
Hey, quick question: do you get to hold onto ||fish|| between runs? Want to see what happens if I stack them.
like i went lambent plume and got 25 percent dodge from it
had 60 percent dodge for the final boss that run
yes you do, you can get the rewards to scroll off the page 
not sure about that one with the fish
never thought about that
Did you have to sacrifice damage to make dodge happen or is it still decent enough for the final boss
whatever god's boon I'm starting with, into secondary boon if I know what duo build i'm going for, into acorn for elysium & styx because i play recklessly trying to nuke the heroes
well you would be losing damage as you're taking dodge boons over damage boons
i usually go for a dash damage boon as soon as possible
I'm more interested in trying to get privileged status so I default to two of either attack/special/cast
weapon depending ofc
I figured you'd lose damage but HOW much damage
If it takes forever to kill stuff then it's probably a pass
do yall use god mode and if no did you ever use it and when did you stop?
I didn't know God mode existed so
omg
damn
god mode is where each time you die you get a damage reduction of 2% i think
Nah no god mode for me, i picked this game up weirdly quickly for having next to no experience in the genre
I saw a friend of mine stream this game and it looked really good
I still couldn't believe I slept on this game for over a year
so i try to lower my difficulty most of the times
I turned off my friend's stream to prevent any further spoilers and picked it up for myself
Yeah i needed a new game and knew this existed
saw a streamer play this game, bought it when it was on sale
best purchase ive ever made
No doubt. Got it for 1/3 the price of cyberpunk but still play it religiously whereas I barely even touch cyberpunk.
yeah why would i get cyberpunk when i could get hades
true. I had seen the game a few times and thought it looked dumb, but ever since I got it I can’t stop playing
yeah
Also, can anyone recommend good youtubers that play?
its got of variety
more on the mature side preferably
I stream all the time @worldly vigil also @fair warren has a large VoD base on YT
There's many of us haha
I'm not sure how new you are to the game, but as peach mentioned, haelian does a lot of informative guides (covering both basics and more advanced thought processes)
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSnGGntxMnAM6oDHML2qzaw
Hello friends, I go by Haelian and mostly play Hades right now. Some times I play other roguelikes which you might see on the channel. I have a set streaming schedule on twitch, so come by to say hi some time http://www.dampdad.com/
Ah yes I’ve watched a few of his videos
Haelian's videos are really helpful!
I’m mainly trying to figure out how to get better at building my character boon wise
ngl, I actually figured that out the best through trial and error 
yeah
like obviously there's builds we can recommend
but you have to find what works for you boon wise
Jawless Paul has some good videos too. Just avoid the tier lists unless you're in it for the info. Hades boons dont fit into tier lists easily since they're mostly all build dependant
yeah tier lists around stuff like hades kind of ridiculous to me
although i think it's just personal opinion when people do them for hades probably but idk
I mean like athena dash is S tier obviously, but then you have effects like Doom which can be good or trash depending on the rest of your kit
I mean it does seem like some things are objectively better than others, but not always available rng wise
wait please explain. When is doom bad?
i don't think objectively better can be mass applied in hades though
its alll situational
It's very location and build dependent on when you want to take things in my opinion.
and it's not like hades is a game where you can consistently get the same exact boosts over and over again easily
Divine Dash is great near the beginning of a run but doesn't help you so much once you're in Elysium considering if you made it that far without it, you probably don't need it.
lmao this goes back to "personal preference" - due to the weapons I use the most, I actually love doom
i find divine dash helps against bows still
and those giant crossbow things
yeah i think is very good consistent
divine dash is so nice. I use the Athena’s keepsake at the beginning of every run lol
but can be underwhelming if you don't boost it enough or synergise it
For damage, zeus and dionysus all do well with fast attacks. Aphro and Artemis are best with slow, hard hitting attacks. Posiden and Athena provide utility with decent all around damage. It all depends what you're using.
i think aphrodite is probably one of the best for single target dm agar
damage
due to the sheer damage boost of her boons
I'm also bias to builds that deal the most damage lol...Athena is nice for survival in ||higher heat|| but doesn't provide so much unless you're running ME.
so I just got curse of drowning for the first time, now that is a weird duo boon
The base attack is definitely the highest scale for Aphro, but potential crit damage on Arti is highest single target dmg.
yeah but zagreus bow has crit potential no matter
oh you mean
yeah artemis attacks are great
Yeah the 15% from Arti and the bow stack
just don't always want a crit build
Plus Arti makes crits better
Do the stats on lambent plume or pierced butterfly stay even if i unequipped them after a region?
No theyre lost when you unequip them
alright thanks
they're all in
if you take them ideally you take them for the whole run
to maximise their bonuses and uses of them
You can use Plume to have a chance to get Rush Delivery or Hermes legendary in Asphodel without other pre-req boons.
I just won a round with 30% butterfly
i need to start leveling my butterfly and training to use it tbh
What weapon were you using?
Chiron bow
I just did it with Rama as well 🙂
my butterfly keepsake remains unscathed ._.
Rama with +4 special, if I don't get +4 special then I'm screwed.
okay wait. This is probably a dumb question but with the titan blood aspects, do you select one per run, or use all you have unlocked?
For practice I like to use the butterfly in the first level and then switch out
One at a time
ahhh okay. Glad I figured that out lol
Its just one per run. Each aspect has to be equipped seperately. But any blood you put into an aspect boosts it further. It just doesnt effect other aspects
I got the aspect of Achilles for the Eternal spear, personal favorite, and have been very frustrated with it, and regretting buying it
Its amasing but it takes some getting used to
You can still return the spear to you with your attack just like normal, but hitting special again is like a teleport/dash
Literally no downsides
yeah I know, but I often do the wrong one, or forget that I threw my spear and accidentally teleport across the map
Also, is there any way to get back titan blood like you can with mirror?
Practice against skelly shooting and returning with attack, and do that with the other spears you use too. Its a good habit.
No you cannot reset Titan blood
You can't reset titan blood but it's not like you got anything better to put it into
Time to farm up some titan bloods
Focus on getting your first clear
Sometimes the broker offers a titan blood for sale iirc
friendly reminder to refer to the final boss as final boss, redacted or ||hades|| (in spoiler) in this channel 
I nearly beat my pb with what I thought was the dumbest build ever existed 
sorry
at a certain stage you'll forget they exist
I kinda want to find a relatively broken build to get my first clear
or at least I have
but most seem either easy or broken, not often both
what weapon are you most confident with?
spear was my first clear as well actually, I just focused on special with zag spear
let me check what I ran in the end..
zeus it appears
@worldly vigil Try a blade rift build. It's probably the closest thing to an easily accessable afk build there is.
how can hades be afk
Fire, hide, fire, hide, eat some popcorn, fire, hide.
It helps to know where to stand but it isnt a requirement.
alternatively go shield (preferably chaos) and build zeus + ares and look for
- special with either doom or zeus, doesn't matter which
- attack on the other
- both doom & lightning revenge perks
- jolted if you can find it (if you have the mirror perk privileged status)
- revenge duo boon
100% will win a run
that's my default build for learning higher ||heat|| levels
take higher with a grain of salt, only at ||16 heat||
start either ares or zeus, swap to the other at aspho, I play a very aggressive elysium fight so I take acorn from elysium onwards
okay cool. Can’t wait to try it next time I play
for the final boss fight itself, literally just trade 1:1 blows, let him attack, you release your bullrush and special, then go back to holding bullrush
Theres also no shame in god mode for your first clear and then beating it normally after, especially if you're close
because you've also got revenge duo going, you're constantly dealing damage
Is the duo boon crucial? It seems they don’t show up very often, but ig I don’t really try for them
not at all, it'll just be a bit of a slower kill
that last part is also kinda crucial, they appear a lot more than you think, it's just you don't always meet the requirements
when I go out of my way to hit a duo, I do nearly every run
joker you might know this, is there anyway I can reset a seed in some way, I didn't get offered attack boon even after re-roll and I really wanted to play hidden sword especially since I have the 20% bonus atm :c
I just unlocked the mirror perk to get higher legendary/duo chance so ig i’ll start pumping darkness into that
I'd only worry about that one till you've got some of the other more crucial ones maxed first
I have all others maxed
dark regen
👍
I'm so close to greatness, but I still need 7k more 
https://i.imgur.com/TGL9hk6.png
I wasn’t initially, but I watched a video that recommended it and it’s so much better lol
yup I slept on it so hard
at some stage it'll probably not be as good
as we won't be trying to take darkness doors
yeah true. I often take the darkness doors when I need health and go for others when I don’t though

geez the final two upgrades get so expensive
yup
You actually get bonuses for taking darkness doors later. You’ll get there
They stay relevant
Many people farm darkness with the chaos boons and dark thirst as well.
me; okay I'm going chiron, let's hope for aphro or dio in tartarus
olympians: nah mate, tough luck only gods with duos that don't help you

Also Artemis
Just checking
How do I upgrade weapons in this game?
i'm looking to get my first rail win, which aspect is good for starting out/ doesn't take much setup?
I keep hearing about crazy builds with like, 14 boons, and I can't figure out how people manage to collect that many in one run, is there some desk or mirror perk I missed along the way?
haven't done it, so i'm unsure, sorry
You've never upgraded a weapon?
Have you unlocked all the weapons?
unlock every weapon
Yes, I did that
then after ur next run u will have aspects
just go in and die or smth if ur impatient
How does one not get slaughtered in Elysium? I always do pretty well in Tartarus and Asphodel and then get ripped apart either by normal encounters or the boss
@crimson bramble I don't know why, but I found it easier there. I think you have to get the pink orbs to stop them from spawning repeadtly
What's the difference between the rare, epic, heroic thing?
Basically the higher the rarity the better the boon.
oh ok
Just numerical differences yeah.
oml i got this game a couple of hours ago now and im in love
yikeesssss
I have time off work cause of xmas it's fine 
I've got 15 hr lol I've been playing so much bc I also have time off from work
are there only the eight weapons as of now?
Damn bro you got 8 weapons? I only got 6
there is teh sword, bow, shield. spear. gauntlets, and shotgun. ope im dumb lol
go into hades discussion then my guy you might get better results
probably lol
funny, just after saying this I defeated the boss of Elysium and got all the way to the ||second stage of the dad fight|| for the first time before dying
Charged Shot is mega-OP
good progress though
honestly my build felt super cheese too lol, I had divine dash, charged shot as mentioned, the hammer upgrade that makes your attack do more damage after you special, and I had Poseidon on my attack and Zeus on my special
also movement speed, Zeus call, etc
having charged shot and a good attack made me focus more on using my attack instead of my special, which meant I was able to block things and have a good ranged ability without yeeting my shield all over the place
That is very impressive. Glad to see I'm not the only addict 😅
Same, it's literally all I do, when I'm not working or sleeping
ı have online school ı can only play like 2 hoursi
do it anyways
Is there any weapons/builds which ||demeter|| is a viable keepsake? I want to take it for the sake of it, but idk what for 
maybe hidden rail with the x10 stack = damage 
Demeter is pretty decent on Chiron and Rama specials, or a cast build with Clarity
getting every keepsake to max rank takes so long xd





