h1-for-new-players

[viral pendant]

Doubt that would be possible

[muted latch]

since blind run tech in speedruns rely on consistent patterns and clear audio cues

[swift hawk]

There are enough sound cues. Though it would probably take a little bit of fumbling around to find doors

[muted latch]

it's not possible for a game with so many RNG elements

[swift hawk]

I'm trying to think through the boss rooms right now

[viral pendant]

Off topic:
I've seen someone in GDQ do a blindfolded run of SOTN

It was impressive

Anyway I'm going to bed. tired

[swift hawk]

Oh, some guy already did a blindfolded run

Back in July

About 2.5 hrs long

[old escarp]

There have been (assisted) blind runs done in the past of Hades

That is to say, someone guides the player who is blindfolded

[fleet lily]

Yo, this game? Good stuff.
Three runs in and I'm hooked.
Though I do feel bringing the bow to Tart's boss wasn't the best of strategies, but at least the 20% darkness payoff was nice

[leaden whale]

my first meg win was with bow :D

[old escarp]

I happen to quite like bow

But to each their own

[fleet lily]

Quick Shot Bow was great from the run I had with it, but probably not good for Meg.

[muted latch]

stock bow is yeah not that good

for a new run that is

if you manage to get a hammer in tartarus and get quick shot it's good

[leaden whale]

have you tried using dash strike exclusively

[woven eagle]

Try getting used to power shots as soon as possible, the extra damage is great

[sly vigil]

Dash strike power shot

I feel like I say this everytime bow discussion shows up lol

[old escarp]

You're not wrong, though

[opaque geyser]

Actually, does bow dash strike do less damage while being faster, or is it just faster with same damage?

[leaden whale]

faster with lower max damage

[old escarp]

It's not that much less, though, and the quicker charge time is worth it

[leaden whale]

yee

[old escarp]

Plus, dash strike buffs exist

[ivory ocean]

i actually beat meg for the first time with the bow

it's really a fun weapon imo, lots of pew pew from far away

[mossy trail]

is it weird to only be playing the game for a few days and already be at ||the surface ||?

[thorn trail]

Nah my wife did the same thing

[mossy trail]

cool

[pastel cipher]

Not a weird thing at all.
Also, please spoiler tag reaching ||the surface|| as that's considered spoilers in this channel @Ghostie ;)#1443 :friendly:

@mossy trail

[mossy trail]

oh sorry

[muted latch]

dash strike on bow is actually 33% less damage so pretty big

120 with normal attack, 80 with dash strike

[acoustic veldt]

Yeah the difficulty ramps up with ||heat|| stuff

Also I like bow best with hold click to auto shot 😂

[pastel cipher]

||heat|| is considered spoilers in this channel as an fyi @acoustic veldt

[acoustic veldt]

Ooh, my bad! Edited to fix!

[lethal mantle]

ok

i hate 2v1 floor

the bull and idk spear throw shield guy

[thorn trail]

THESEUS UGH

[lethal mantle]

yea

[thorn trail]

If you stack doom/hangover on him it gets a LITTLE easier but he blocks so much

I am a very impatient fighter I'm awful at waiting for him to turn around

[lethal mantle]

how many boss left if i beat them

2 more ?

50 floors for this game right?

[muted latch]

1 more

for the dudes always fight behind a pillar so you can focus on the bull

[floral nacelle]

Also it varies but the max amount of floors is generally agreed to be 69

[muted latch]

nice

[floral nacelle]

But you can get it up to 72 through chaos gates and stuff

[muted latch]

but my max room reached is 72

yep

Theseus always turn his back to you after a spear throw so use that as your window

[full depot]

If you dodge theseus he forgets you exist

[acoustic veldt]

I always take care of the bull at the south end of the room, zipping back and forth between the two pillars there

[muted latch]

and on normal difficulty the bull doesnt attack that frequently

his double swipe has a very big tell so you can just dash behind him to completely nullify it, get a few hits in, dash in the opposite direction to avoid the slam, rinse and repeat

[grizzled narwhal]

is there any benefit in maintaining a long escape win streak?

[ornate remnant]

Bragging rights, mostly

There're some things in the game that do acknowledge it though

[tender chasm]

You could start a youtube series like Sinvicta did with Isaac and one day celebrate your 1000th win :p

[sly vigil]

Yeah, though you can maintain streaks in Hades by always giving up the moment you die, which will reset your run while keeping streak counter.

[kind sequoia]

uh how do I unlock varatha's hidden aspect

[pastel cipher]

check the pinned messages (specifically the 2nd one) in #h1-story-discussion, the answer is there

[kind sequoia]

by 5 other aspects.. does it matter if the aspects are in other types of weapons

[pastel cipher]

it means any aspect that isn't a zagreus aspect

[kind sequoia]

ya but from any weapon?

[pastel cipher]

yes

[kind sequoia]

thanks

[pastel cipher]

no worries

[peak vale]

Does jumping (the bombers) and burrowing (bone snakes) count as moving for Rupture DOT?

cuz it looks like it doesnt...

[peak vale]

also pog i killed ornstein and smough

[leaden whale]

Congrats, that fight is fun as hell

[peak vale]

also ive been hella ignoring cast shots until now

poseidon cast + all the knockback boons make them bounce like crazy

[leaden whale]

*pinball machine noises*

[magic urchin]

@leaden whale can u add me as a friend. u know so much about this game.

[lethal mantle]

i fight ishin every morning as breakfast to wake me up

ishin mod

[vital zodiac]

do i keep my boons aftter i die ? idk why but i feel stronger on my second run then the first even tho i didnt buy anything

[errant bramble]

You keep Mirror upgrades

[vital zodiac]

ohh

ty

[placid karma]

also you feel stronger cause youre getting more familiar to the rhythms of the game

[vital zodiac]

oo

btw what does gemstones do?

[errant bramble]

You meet the person they’re used for after your first few attempts I believe?

Next to Hades in town

[vital zodiac]

if i die after defeating meg do i have to restart from the very beginning?

[muted latch]

it's a roguelike so yes

after every death you return to the house and has to start from the beginning

[vital zodiac]

ty

[vital zodiac]

dude the shield is broken.... it blocks everything

[rough scroll]

not everything, but yeah

[full depot]

||Casts are the gun you pull out when your sword isn't doing it|| sekiro spoiler

[fallow surge]

I got my first win so early because of the shield

[tacit quarry]

||how long till you can use titan blood to upgrade weapons?||

[tacit quarry]

nice, i love the sheild. I feel like it's easier. I generally move faster with other weapons tho

[fallow surge]

Yeah it's so easy to block for bosses

[peak burrow]

Thinking about getting this game - couple questions... 1) Will it release on GOG? 2) Is there a turn based option for combat? 3) If no turn-based option, just how much of a fast-reflex/twitch based click fest is it? And is it possible to configure the speed so that someone doesn't have 18-21 year old reflexes can still enjoy it?

[errant bramble]

Turn based would make it an entirely different game so..no?

[subtle granite]

you need all weapons unlocked and then go on another run, once you're back you can upgrade them

[tacit quarry]

oh ok

[tacit quarry]

1. It's not there now and I'm not sure if it will. All the other supergiant games are, so they might put it up there eventually. 2) The games is a rouge-like, so it is not turn based. It is a bit fast paced, but I think you'd be able to enjoy it.

[static anvil]

^if things are hitting too hard for you, try using God Mode and using the shield weapon when you unlock it

[fathom crown]

@peak burrow there's a good accessibility option in God Mode, which gives you 20% damage reduction, increasing by 2% each time you die to a maximum of 80%. So the more you're struggling, the more assistance you get.

Also, I'm old as dirt and I still managed to clear this game (although occasionally cursing the whippersnappers' twitch reflexes)

[leaden whale]

Spoiler for Titan blood uses -> ||I just unlocked the aspects after finally getting the adamant rail, but idk what to get - I really like the spear and the shield, and the sword and rail are also fun, so what aspects should I upgrade for those? Also is there a way to get more titan’s blood later, cause rn I only have 4 and I can only get 6 from beating the furies.||

[errant bramble]

@leaden whale yes just keep playing. You get more of course.

[leaden whale]

But are they valuable enough that I’ll regret spending them now?

[errant bramble]

||Would use blood on the non-Zagreus aspects for things. Except for Fists.||

No spend them.

[leaden whale]

Or are they plentiful enough that I can experiment a bit at the beginning

[errant bramble]

It’s not a stock market

😛

[leaden whale]

True true

Ok thank you

[errant bramble]

You cannot get them back so do want to be careful what you use

For spear ||would get Achilles aspect first and for Shield get Zeus||

[leaden whale]

Will do, thank you!

[errant bramble]

I honestly like all the sword ones

Even the basic one

@leaden whale ||also fwiw you need to invest 5 TB to a weapon for the hidden aspect to show up||

[leaden whale]

Oh that is so helpful

||So pick a weapon I like to invest in?||

[errant bramble]

If you want I mean you get TB pretty fast

The hidden one still costs more TB haha

[untold dock]

i just got the game any tips for beginners?

[errant bramble]

Have fun. Explore. Don’t ask questions for a half dozen runs or so. 😛

[lethal mantle]

this game expects you to run how many attemps in order to get full story experience ?

not to say full but

main story

[muted latch]

50, give or take

[lethal mantle]

wdym give or take

[muted latch]

depends on skill

it will take you a while to get a clear, and then the story actually unfolds from there

no other tip, just one: talk to EVERYONE the moment you see a exclamation mark on them

[lethal mantle]

so if u somehow beat the game in first run

the story doesnt end there right

[muted latch]

far, far from it

[lethal mantle]

50 floors right

[muted latch]

I'm 77 runs in, 60+ hours

and I'm still getting new stories

[lethal mantle]

wow

how many floors are there

@muted latch

[muted latch]

usually ~65 for a full clear

[lethal mantle]

im at the bullguy with the spear throw guy

i assume im at 30++ floors?

[muted latch]

clearing elysium is ~50

~40 actually

[lethal mantle]

ah

3/4

[errant bramble]

Hit B look upper right

If you beat it on your 1st run I’ll be impressed

[rough scroll]

well once you get a hang of the game and have a few mirror upgrades, i wouldnt be surprised if you first try heroes

[untold dock]

do u guys use god mode

[rough scroll]

if the game gets frustratingly difficult for a stretch then yeah

but it should depend on you

[lethal mantle]

gosh

i keep getting stuck

on the 2v1 floor

[brave solstice]

I havent used god mode yet, no

Maybe if I really want to get a certain achievement i might use it but for the time being im pretty content with staying on normal difficulty

[karmic hamlet]

what does god mode actually do?

[brave solstice]

Everytime you die, you gain more damage resistance if I remember correctly

[pulsar frigate]

instant 20% damage resistance, +2% every time you die, to a cap of 80%

[fathom crown]

I did about 40 runs without a clear, and then decided to turn in God Mode. 10/10 would do again.

[karmic hamlet]

ah ok so its crazy broken

[static anvil]

Not really since it's incremental on your deaths

[errant bramble]

20% dr is already crazy broken.

[vivid patio]

up to personal interpretation i suppose, i dont like to cast god mode in a negative light because its not meant to be seen as a bad thing if you use it

[sly vigil]

Yup. A clear is a clear is a clear. Life is too short to challenge yourself in some esoteric exercises that you don't want/have the time to do.

Of course of doing challenges floats your boat then all the power to you.

[errant bramble]

That’s fair

And a good point

[meager leaf]

Having god mode on to farm darkness for the mirror was great

[untold dock]

uhh my game is telling me that itsunable to save

idk what do

[errant bramble]

I just keep going lol

[static anvil]

Where are you currently in game?

[errant bramble]

And I think it saves the next screen

[untold dock]

im w persephone

wait no

not her

aphrodite

[static anvil]

Yeah you can save and quit at the end of most standard encounters except for before a boss and some others I believe

[sly vigil]

Then pick your boon, then you can quit?

[static anvil]

Ye

[untold dock]

boon?

[sly vigil]

Ok are you with ||mom||?

[untold dock]

no

just aphrodite

[sly vigil]

I'm confused. Wdym by with Aphrodite?

[untold dock]

nvm i think im good

[sly vigil]

Ok haha

[errant bramble]

I have almost every achievement except for the stupid ||Lyre|| like I’ve bought almost all the Music too lol

[sly vigil]

You need to practice more :D buying music doesn't help.

[magic latch]

Is it a good idea to exchange Ambrosia for Titan Blood?

[sly vigil]

Yeah, don't overdo it

But it's totally fine to do some

Say 6-7 trades.

[magic latch]

Thanks!

[untold dock]

bruh megaeras so fast i cant

[errant bramble]

You have so much to look forward to 😛

[karmic hamlet]

does cruel thrust for the sword include the dash strike or is it literally just the 3rd hit of the combo? (since technically the dash-strike is a thrust)

i've got a choice between piercing wave/cruel thrust/dash nova and have never used any of them so im not sure which to pick atm

[unborn ocean]

i'm excited, getting the game later today 😄 never been a fan of rouge-like games but this is just different!

[errant bramble]

Hydro I’m not sure about that Thrust question. Is dash nova the one that makes you Sturdy? That one is awful lol

[karmic hamlet]

yea it is

[errant bramble]

It’s okay but it’s hard to aim.

[karmic hamlet]

i got the game 3 days ago and have been addicted lol

[unborn ocean]

@karmic hamlet haha nice! yeah i've been hooked on death stranding since i bought it yesterday. But definitely think of pulling the trigger on this one

[errant bramble]

Piercing wave is...interesting. It messes with your attack tho. Your attack only does 30 dmg and won’t benefit from the %dmg off a boon for example (like aphro)

But would be fine if you had Zeus strike or Dio strike etc

And your dash strike will shoot a little wave

[karmic hamlet]

oh god that sucks, i've got demeter attack/art dash atm was hoping for the one that makes my dash hit twice (double edge?)

[errant bramble]

Personally I think cruel thrust is the best

Of those

[karmic hamlet]

i'll just have to hope for anvil i guess :/

[untold dock]

any tips on defeating megaeras 😋

[subtle granite]

really learn her pattern and if possible work on a big damage build to stun her into the stage-invincibility so that she doesnt have that much time to try to hit you?

[errant bramble]

Honestly don’t even worry about damage, just dodge and watch her patterns for one run.

If you really want to learn it haha

[full depot]

Be wary of the traps for the angry one

I always take more damage from traps than from her

[brave solstice]

^ this

[leaden whale]

I just beat ||Hades and escaped for the first time unlocking the heat system|| am I right in thinking I should ||escape with each weapon first|| before engaging with this system?

[floral nacelle]

That’s what I did

It helps that you get a lot of titan blood for doing that

[leaden whale]

Okay I think that's what I'll do then. Time to try and figure some builds out for the other weapons!

[errant bramble]

Yeah you get bonuses for each ||Heat escape per weapon too. So if you wanted you could just keep progressing Heat with 1 weapon||

||Heat 1, 2, 3 etc with just the Sword||

[leaden whale]

Oh that's pretty cool! Guess it would help ||stop me spreading my titan blood so thin|| although tbh I'm kind of hoarding it at the minute

[floral nacelle]

The prophecies give so much titan blood

And I’m guessing ambrosia is probably useless to you at the moment, so you can trade that for more

[leaden whale]

Yeah I just don't know what to spend them on. I've unlocked ||Aspect of Nemesis|| for the sword but that's it so far. Got the clear with it so it paid off I guess

[wary locust]

Hey guys, im just getting started on Hades, any tip?

loved wasting 20 € when 1 day latter it gets a promo tho 😛

[subtle granite]

just keep playing and really read along to learn the most of everything!
if you ever struggle really badly just ask away, we'll be trying to help as best as we all can without spoilers :D
else: have fun and may the gods grant you swift and safe runs <3

[wary locust]

Thanks man ❤️

[subtle granite]

sure thing :)

[karmic hamlet]

if you want some easy wins i highly recommend unlocking ||the aspect of chiron on the bow, i've gotten it to max level and i can do runs fairly consistently with it||

[subtle granite]

it's a downgrade on lvl 1 tho

[leaden whale]

I've been trying to decide whether or not to invest in that or not, it seems really cool

[subtle granite]

it's insanely good, but you need at least 2-3 lvls invested into it

[leaden whale]

Hard to obtain resources + variety and potentially bad picks = decision anxiety for me

I think I have enough to get it to at least level 3

Like I say, I've unlocked one aspect so far and that's all

[subtle granite]

which weapon is your fave?

i just saw you said ||nemesis|| sry 😅

[karmic hamlet]

at level 3 its worth it^^

you get any special upgrade from the hammer and its an easy win generally

[leaden whale]

I use whichever weapon has the buff for darkness so no clear favourite. I love the spear when I use it though

[subtle granite]

oh yeah, the +4 special arrows with dio on it it just melt

[karmic hamlet]

i've been really enjoying dem special and a bunch of her boons with it but iirc the meta is aphrodite special

[leaden whale]

You've both convinced me to just spend the blood on Chiron, I've been eyeing it up for a few days now

[subtle granite]

usually it's aphro attack + dio special for the status curse mirror

go for it :D

i guess the biggest issue with ||chiron|| is that you really cant try it out with just one upgrade
i tried it on lvl 1 and hated it so much but someobdy on here convinced me to try again and boi i never had this much fun

[leaden whale]

That's my worry with a lot of the aspects. There's a good chance I can try them at Lv. 1 and get the wrong impression

[karmic hamlet]

i got it only to lvl 2 when i unlocked it but i got really lucky by getting both the +4 arrows to special and +3 damage per consecutive hit hammers on my first run with it
which made it crazy good and i fell in love with it after that

[leaden whale]

Got to hope for some nice RNG to get the darkness buff on the Bow now

Think my next run is a fists one

[fluid crown]

3rd time fighting Meg, left her with like 1 HP and died to spikes 😭

[karmic hamlet]

damn thats unlucky, you got this!

[floral nacelle]

I’m really bad at bow

Chiron helped a tiny bit but not a lot

[karmic hamlet]

hell yea just got splitting bolt for the first time on a rail run

[subtle granite]

honestly the only aspects that really need more than one level to get the right impression with are ||chiron bow, hidden spear, maybe chaos shield|| else the others dont suffer too much from being experienced at lvl 1

[leaden whale]

@subtle granite okay sweet, thanks for all the info. I'll be a bit more liberal with the unlocks now

[subtle granite]

sure thing, wish you lots of fun with all the aspects

ps if you really enjoy normal spear you might love ||achilles spear|| alot :)

[karmic hamlet]

spear is the only weapon i haven't cleared on yet ||which is the best aspect to go for? i've got 5 blood atm only however||

[leaden whale]

It's like you've read my mind, that was the aspect I was looking at investing in for the spear haha!

[subtle granite]

||achilles 100%||

it's so good, i got most of my clears with it on 20 ||heat|| 👀

[karmic hamlet]

aight time to try this baby out ||gonna grab an ambrosia trade so i can get the 3rd level for it||

[subtle granite]

have fun and may the gods grant you a swift victory :D

[leaden whale]

I love how wholesome this server is man, not a single bad egg so far

[peak vale]

do you guys prefer multiple cast shots or recharge per cast?

[subtle granite]

depends on what cast you have in mind

like dio cast loves the recharge mirror aspect

[karmic hamlet]

i suck at using casts lol, i always forget to use them, i should try out an ares cast build and try forcing myself to use them more

[peak vale]

dio? like the singer or the vampire? 🤓

[subtle granite]

try zeus cast ;)

[peak vale]

im using ||demeter|| cast and it has some nice dot with 3 shots

im hoping to get an extra one from the god that does give extra casts i forgot who

[subtle granite]

thanku <3

artemis

[leaden whale]

I basically just use the casts to get boiling blood proc'd

[karmic hamlet]

same but i only remember to use it on bosses lol

[peak vale]

mine doesnt proc that since it doesnt technically embed in the mob

[subtle granite]

yeah thats the negative of i think ares, dio ||demeter|| and athena casts

but they do have more specialties by themselves (like huntin blades for ares cast)

[leaden whale]

Suppose they make up for it with the damage?

[peak vale]

also why do witches sound like they have the worst sneezes since spring

[subtle granite]

cause the probably do 👀

[karmic hamlet]

what kind of attack/special boons should i be going for with ||achilles spear||?

[peak vale]

i also got dio hangover on attack so im looking at some serious DOT

[subtle granite]

safe build: athena attack, ares on special, hope for the triple dash hammer and get artemis on dash and call(will also trigger the artemis athena duo which is SOOOO good on spear)
damage build: aphro attack, ares/||demeter|| special, dio dash

and a good cast for spear is zeus since it clears many enemies at once which the spear is lacking

[peak vale]

i keep forgetting to press special with ||nemesis aspect some times kekw||

[karmic hamlet]

welp looks like im forced onto aphro special this run, just got an epic and that +150% damage is looking spicy

[leaden whale]

Honestly getting ||Ares|| on special really helped me stay in that rhythm with that aspect

[karmic hamlet]

and the other 2 boons would be bad or meh choices for me (one would get rid of my divine dash)

[subtle granite]

aphro special is also not bad, she does have the biggest damage

[peak vale]

damn i got a followup upgrade for my cast and its sounding damn promising

longer duration and ||chill so theyre pretty much never gonna move out of the beam||

[karmic hamlet]

this is looking kinda promising for me aswell getting to first boss with +300% damage for my spear special is kinda crazy lol

[leaden whale]

That's spicy af

[karmic hamlet]

got +200% from aphrodite special, an epic boon from chaos adding +86% and a vicious skewer hammer adding +50%

[leaden whale]

Nice! That's some blessed luck

[karmic hamlet]

and just got +2 dashes from hermes aswell as already having divine dash feeling good about this run

[leaden whale]

Hopefully it pans out smoothly for you, keep me posted! I'm invested in this now lol

[subtle granite]

if you're using ||achilles|| and priviledged status that bonus is even far bigger 👀

[leaden whale]

I'm considering starting all my runs with Athena tbh, whenever I don't get Divine Dash I just pine for it

[karmic hamlet]

electric shot epic jesus this luck, that fixes the issues i was gonna have with fire chariots and stuff

[subtle granite]

smart for the beginning but later on starting with aphro or zeus is chefs kiss

[karmic hamlet]

for my first runs as i was getting used to the game i was using dusa's keepsake, works wonders for keeping health up

[limpid charm]

Having a blast with this game so far, immediately hooked. I'm onto the second boss now, but I see myself never using cast. How important is it? Does it get more important, or am I playing wrong?

[subtle granite]

cast gets really important and useful later on, it's also nice if you get zeus cast for a basically free tartarus

[karmic hamlet]

i don't know how much you've unlocked your mirror but once you get one of the upgrades there it becomes even more important

[limpid charm]

I just spent 5 keys to unlock the next two, that's why I'm asking. Idk how to incorporate it because I rarely remember to use it

[karmic hamlet]

i know the feeling, i personally only really remember to use it on bosses, im trying to fix that atm

[limpid charm]

Should I bother with the cast upgrades yet then or

[subtle granite]

if you want to teach yourself to work better with them - definitively

[limpid charm]

Ok

More damage with cast in them or more casts first

[subtle granite]

more damage

more usefull for the bossfights

[limpid charm]

Thank you

[subtle granite]

sure thing :)

[karmic hamlet]

nice second boss went down really easily with this build

if i don't pick a hammer door will i still get it later on? cause a chaos gate i just paid for just appeared

[limpid charm]

I got second boss to the part where it summons the smaller ones the second time first try👀

[peak vale]

lmao so far i got ||demeter,|| dio AND poseidon DOT, yeah this is the run 😄

[limpid charm]

Love this game

[leaden whale]

@subtle granite why is starting with Aphro/Zeus better? I escaped without Divine Dash so I know I can manage it

[leaden whale]

Congrats! Hydra is really fun to fight

[karmic hamlet]

alot of their boons are really good

[limpid charm]

What happens if you leave a chamber without collecting the cast stones?

[karmic hamlet]

zeus rail is insane for example

[leaden whale]

About the ||keepsakes that make your next boon guaranteed|| how do they actually work? Because sometimes I just straight up don't get the god I'm after

[subtle granite]

because aphro is always extremly good for attack (highest damage bonus + weakness as first status curse for Priviledged Status is insane)
zeus' cast gives you a free tartarus since getting it on epic almost kills every tartarus enemy in one hit. also zeus duos are incredibly strong and getting him out of the way first is most of the time better, like for poseidon's and his duo

[upbeat oracle]

they automatically return to you! so don't worry

[karmic hamlet]

so im now doing about 600 damage per special throw with this spear when i hit a crit which is a 50% chance lol

the mobility with it is insane

[peak vale]

yo im finally wreaking havoc man holy crap it feels awesome

[subtle granite]

the fresh power

[upbeat oracle]

woo!

[leaden whale]

@subtle granite Okay I totally see your point there. Looking forward to trying that out next time I get to play

[karmic hamlet]

looool i beat ||theseus from 50% while he was doing his god call||

[leaden whale]

Sorry for asking so many questions, I think I'm becoming cripplingly addicted to this game lol

[karmic hamlet]

this damage is insane

[subtle granite]

no worries, thats what we're all here for!

[leaden whale]

Niiiiice. Get smoked!

So do the god keepsakes only work on the very first boon you can get in Tartarus? It seems like they decrease in effectiveness as I go through the floors

[subtle granite]

when chosing the gods keepsake you will see a tiny "1" right beside it

it only guarantees one boon by the god

[limpid charm]

Thanks

[karmic hamlet]

i think im gonna pull off my first sub 20 min run with this

[peak vale]

are they actually cheering my name when i beat ornstein and smough

[leaden whale]

Is that boon randomly throughout the level? For example if I pick Ares in ||pre Asphodel|| often times I don't see him until later in the level

[upbeat oracle]

yeah! did you spot your number one fan? c:

[subtle granite]

yes

[peak vale]

nuh uh, i went straight ahead

[subtle granite]

D:

you missed shadebro D:

[leaden whale]

Okay cool, makes way more sense to me now!

[peak vale]

sorry theres like a million shades and i didnt pay attention

[upbeat oracle]

look out for a little orange dude in your next run :)

[subtle granite]

btw it should be one of the first boons you find, ||hence why hermes will comment on him being faster than the other god if you chose him before getting the god's boon you forced through keepsake||

[karmic hamlet]

woot 18:29 😎

[subtle granite]

he even has a banner of your face, he is such a legend

[upbeat oracle]

he is!

[leaden whale]

Ohhh okay, that dialogue comes up a lot for me thanks for explaining

[upbeat oracle]

what a lad

[subtle granite]

the balls of this shade

[leaden whale]

I've missed shade-bro. I heard Zag remark about having a fan once but I left the room without looking around :(

[subtle granite]

i want to gift him something one day D:

[subtle granite]

no worries, you can always talk to him after beating the duo, the ingame timer will stop

[upbeat oracle]

The number one fan update

[subtle granite]

YES

[limpid charm]

The wing is the sign of a boon of hermes right

[karmic hamlet]

yea

[limpid charm]

Ty

What's better, hermes or artemis?

[karmic hamlet]

depends on what you're running atm

[limpid charm]

The bow

[karmic hamlet]

if you need mobility/support i'd go hermes, you might want support fire from artemis though or her attack/special/dash

[limpid charm]

Ok ty

[subtle granite]

support fire or pressure points

[karmic hamlet]

support fire with the bow is quite nice if you can hit alot of the arrows

[subtle granite]

support fire is such sexy free dps

[limpid charm]

Oof no support fire, but I did get pressure points

[subtle granite]

oh yeah, support fire is a tier 2 boon, you often need another boon from her first before getting it

[peak vale]

pog i beat final encounter

time to leave

[limpid charm]

Should I replace tempest strike with lightning strike?

[karmic hamlet]

oh yea, pressure points counts however as one of the boons you need to get it so if you get another artemis go for it

[prime fox]

you mean ||hades ||right?

[peak vale]

oof ||he has a second phase||

[upbeat oracle]

oh no

[limpid charm]

Ok

[prime fox]

you're far from done with the game after ||beating hades||

[karmic hamlet]

tempest strike is probably better tbh especially if you can get something that gives rupture

(was thinking of lightning flourish not strike ignore the previous comment)

[subtle granite]

zeus on attack for bow is hard to judge

[limpid charm]

Oof too late mb

[karmic hamlet]

damn im sorry :(

[subtle granite]

there arent that many areas where it's benefitial

[limpid charm]

No it's ok

It's just one run

[subtle granite]

but it's great for elysium

[karmic hamlet]

i personally go for ares or aphrodite on attack with bow if i can, i don't find many of the other boons that good for it and atleast they give me doom/weakness

[subtle granite]

||demeter|| is also ok if you dont care for the multiplied chill effect but instead just want a status curse

i always forget which channel i'm in i'm sorry

[karmic hamlet]

yea alot of the time i've been using that on special with ||chiron||

[limpid charm]

The bass in this ost slaps ngl

[karmic hamlet]

comboing it with ||killing freeze/arctic blast is quite fun||

[limpid charm]

Wanna try to learn some of these

[subtle granite]

you're gonna love the secret last boss music then 👀

[karmic hamlet]

👀

[limpid charm]

Ight I'm hyped lol

[subtle granite]

hehe

it blew me away and made it worth it for me to have lost to him 3-5 times even tho i was very good at beating him regularly

ugh i wanna go and do it again now

[limpid charm]

Noo there aren't tabs. I suck at transcribing lol

[unborn ocean]

Question - do they not explain what some things are when you start? Or is that done after the beginning section? Like what is the red crystal next to your health bar, purple crystals, the golden coins?

[karmic hamlet]

i was thinking of doing a 16 ||heat|| run with ||EM4|| but i was wondering if that would be crazy lol

it gets explained as you go^

[unborn ocean]

Ah got you thanks!

[subtle granite]

there is a short keyboard tutorial in the very beginning + everything gets explained as you go, yes

[karmic hamlet]

except for the red crystal i believe

that's your cast charges which you can shoot at enemies

[unborn ocean]

I'm at the very very beginning when you start yhe game. Started me with running through halls and defeating different creatures at first

And thank you

[old escarp]

Everything does have an explanation at some point, the "tutorial" stretches out over several runs and NPC interactions. Most things will be self evident once you progress a bit more

[subtle granite]

whelp time to try fresh file runs again 👀

[unborn ocean]

Got it thank you!

[limpid charm]

Is there ng+?

[karmic hamlet]

im thinking of trying a fresh file with hell mode at some point 🤔

[old escarp]

Not really. Every run is like a mini NG+

[limpid charm]

Can you keep doing runs after you beat it?

[old escarp]

Yes!

[limpid charm]

Sick

How many hours on average to 100%?

[errant bramble]

20 bajillion

[old escarp]

Depends entirely on you

[limpid charm]

Just wondering how much mileage I can get out lol

[old escarp]

And what you consider 100%

Easily 50-100 hours just for achievements

[limpid charm]

Oh boy

[old escarp]

More if you want in-game stuff that doesn't have achievements

[errant bramble]

I can tell that you will get 100.75 hours of enjoyment out of this game. You should stop then.

[subtle granite]

300h in and i still get new dialogue and have not uncovered all secrets :D

[karmic hamlet]

jesus

[limpid charm]

Wow

Oof wait I forgot to eat be back in a bit

[errant bramble]

This discord has evolved the ability to precise predict enjoyment levels of every person on the planet

[karmic hamlet]

||the cape dialogue when you go up against hades like the 4th time was great, and when you go into his room and its full of capes was amazing||

[limpid charm]

I planned to go skating today but got this game last night and I can't stop lol

[karmic hamlet]

i feel like i've done nothing but play this game for the past few days

[old escarp]

As it should be

[limpid charm]

Love Zagreus' personality, everything about this game is just so fun

I see why it got goty

Also zagreus be kinda hot ngl 😳

[karmic hamlet]

im all in it for zag's sass

[limpid charm]

The 4th wall breaking is done so much but it never feels overused imo, just endearing

Also the doomcrystal things keep destroying me

How do I fix that

[old escarp]

My strategy is to ignore the small ones and just focus down the Doomstone itself

And just... try not to get lasered

[limpid charm]

Thank you

[subtle granite]

get its armor down carefully and then stun it alot

[errant bramble]

Is that the first mini boss thing?

[subtle granite]

it cant attack you at all then and the ministones are also fewer

[subtle granite]

ye

[errant bramble]

How does Wave Pounding work? Like what deals more damage to bosses bc they don’t really get knocked back.

Does the special dmg itself get boosted for example? Does rupture?

[karmic hamlet]

i believe it just adds a bonus to all damage (i think its like +30% generally)

[limpid charm]

How do you stun

[subtle granite]

most main attacks and specials stun the enemy automatically

as far as i remember only the rail attack and bow attack dont?

[errant bramble]

So just a flat 30% dmg to the boons that have knock back I guess?

So just 30% bonus to my Poseidon special dmg only basically

[leaden whale]

What boons are good for an aegis build?

[subtle granite]

aphro/athena on attack, ares on special

[leaden whale]

I remember there was a boon where if you hit you get like 2 health

What was it?

[karmic hamlet]

its a daedalus hammer thing for the sword

[subtle granite]

thats a sword hammer

[errant bramble]

Also it’s horrible lol

[subtle granite]

hammers are exclusive to their weapon

[karmic hamlet]

you have ~~-80%~~60% health or something and heal 2 every attack

[subtle granite]

-60%

[sly vigil]

And yet no one lets the dude know what it's called xD

[leaden whale]

That one

[errant bramble]

Get one shot by last boss

[sly vigil]

It's called Cursed Slash

[subtle granite]

cursed slash

[leaden whale]

Is there a better way to heal mid encounter

[subtle granite]

what would the name alone help fox?

[karmic hamlet]

sadly a dash-strike doesn't count as an attack :( for it aswell

[sly vigil]

Well he asked what it was.

[subtle granite]

a hammer boon

[sly vigil]

How is your mirror doing?

[subtle granite]

better answer than just the name 😂

[karmic hamlet]

if you're struggling health wise i'd suggest getting dusa's keepsake

[sly vigil]

You can heal via mirror, buy items from shops.

[karmic hamlet]

it's not great in the long run but personally i found it really useful in keeping my health up during my first runs

[sly vigil]

You can also go Stubborn Defiance for healing after each chamber. But If you are starting out, this is arguably harder than just sticking with the normal Death Defiance.

[limpid charm]

Is Hades still being updated?

[karmic hamlet]

yea but there wont be anything until some time in the new year

[leaden whale]

I recently unlocked death defiance and unlocked the casting abilities

Still grinding keys tho

[subtle granite]

go fot the skull key chambers, you get 2 keys out of them

[karmic hamlet]

trying a 16 ||heat|| run rn its going really good, got a +99% special chaos boon and am running aphrodite special with ||chiron||

[subtle granite]

:O

[karmic hamlet]

doing about 700 damage per special on the first boss fight

[subtle granite]

thats alota damage

[sly vigil]

You should have Vitality or Regen I think, they help a decent amount. Also some gems upgrades help with healing.

[gusty snow]

https://imgur.com/GVjBTGB

[errant pebble]

Is that a mod or a new update

or something I just never noticed

[gusty snow]

well yeah it's a mod lmao

[errant pebble]

rip

[errant bramble]

If I have a God trinket on and take an ! Room over it like Eurydice, does that God still come back the same level?

[gusty snow]

@errant pebble anyway, I just figured out how to make this work so when I add it to Pony Qol I'll ping you

[errant pebble]

thx, u da best

i don't know what Pony is but it sounds sick

[gusty snow]

well it's me

[gusty snow]

no idea what you mean

[karmic hamlet]

why do fiery chariots sound like cats btw

[leaden whale]

Yes, the charge will not be used up till you accept the god's boon

[errant bramble]

Thanks!

[subtle granite]

wait is is mod pranking the server time already o.o

[gusty snow]

but it's just the truth lmao

I am indeed Pony, and Pony's Qol is my mod

[subtle granite]

ikik

i just noticed that you like to prank the server with snippets of the mods

it's a very nice and intriguing time :)

[gusty snow]

yeah it's always pretty funny but it's also part of my "modding awareness campaign"

[subtle granite]

very good campaign

[leaden whale]

Mod where i stop sucking

When

[subtle granite]

-> the ultra mirror mod

[gusty snow]

that way I have an excuse to let people know mods for Hades exist, cuz I don't know if even 0.1% of hades players know there's a modding community

[subtle granite]

or the 9000 health mod

[subtle granite]

very true, i like making people aware of it too, it's kinda fun to see everybody's reactions since most forget how long hades has been in early access and therefore how big the modding community is, just a few months after v1.0 release :)

[gusty snow]

thank you for your service

[subtle granite]

thank you for your awesome mods

[karmic hamlet]

3rd boss in 1 minute at 16 ||heat||

sadly i haven't been able to pick up any really good boosts for this build since i left tartarus but everything i got there is clearly doing enough

[unborn ocean]

Meg is so damn frustrating to defeat.

[gusty snow]

just slap her enough times

[unborn ocean]

Hahaha, I've been trying

2nd attempt - failed

[errant bramble]

You got frustrated after 2 tries? 🤣🤣😂🤣

[unborn ocean]

🤣🤣🤣

Sorry bot

[leaden whale]

[subtle granite]

she whips, you slap

[unborn ocean]

So when i open boon info (B on m+k), do i have to do any selection from my side? Or are the powers from the Gods already applied?

[subtle granite]

the boon info midrun just tells what you collected so far; the boon info in the codex tells you what boons the gods give and whether you need other boons before getting the one you need if you mean that?

[unborn ocean]

Ahh okay that makes sense

I thought i had to go boon info midrun and select my passives and etc

Got confused there. But thanks for clarifying that!

[subtle granite]

nope they are always active

[unborn ocean]

Yeap. Thank you

[subtle granite]

funfact: if there is a certain passive that gets activated when for example you hit sub 40% health, that boon will shimmer right next to your main attack boons on the left without needing to press b

[unborn ocean]

Ahh okay, i think I've seen that on the left side of my screen

[cursive forge]

Hello, playing hades, enjoying it so far but I can't seem to beat elysium.

I think I'm doing alright with a build that I think is working.

[subtle granite]

welcome! what are you struggling with?

[cursive forge]

then dionysus sends these shield guys at me and I get shredded by them in an instant.

even the death defied thingy didn't do anything.

I think its mainly the shield guys or dionysus has some broken buffs for enemies during trials.

actually I have no idea what he did cause trials kill me like nobodies business.

[subtle granite]

he spawns little black holes on the floor that do 5 damage per 0.5 second you stand on them

[cursive forge]

that's even worse than aphrodites.

[subtle granite]

for some yes

i personally find it easy to dodge because they stay for a longer time and not that many continuously spawn

other than artemis' or ares' trials

[cursive forge]

it is all personal taste, I just have no idea what boon builds are broken so I assume that I'm always under powered to any fight.

anyways, I think I'll keep it simple and ask for a way to deal with the shield warriors.

[subtle granite]

shield warriors are best taken down when they try to hit the ground, they stand with their back fully open for a while

or via firing a cast like dio's cast behind them, triggering an explosive trap to explode behind them insta-kills them

[cursive forge]

gotta take it slow then, ok, thank you for the help. Hopefully whatever I pick won't be too bad this run.

[subtle granite]

good luck and may the gods grant you a swift and safe run!

[limpid charm]

Just got the ||hydra|| second try👀

[cursive forge]

I'm proud of you.

[limpid charm]

Ayy similar username

Thank you

[subtle granite]

nice!

[cursive forge]

aye

I'm also using the ||harpy feather duster|| item or is that too much of a crutch?

[subtle granite]

not at all

honestly people dont use it that much since there are better surv-keepsakes 😅

[cursive forge]

oh, hope I can find them when I have some nectar to spare

[subtle granite]

dont forget to give the run npcs some nectar too!

[cursive forge]

of course, I still have to give one to aries, artemis, and posiden, but I'm thinking it will just be like the others.

[limpid charm]

Isn't there someone like sysiphus in asphodel?

[cursive forge]

sysiphus?

[limpid charm]

The boulder dude

sisyphus

[cursive forge]

oh

yeah there is

oh for pete sake

[limpid charm]

Yeah I read it somewhere but I still haven't met them and I've escaped asphodel

[cursive forge]

I popped my death defied in the first area

[limpid charm]

Rip lmao

[errant bramble]

In two tries apparently. Do it more.

[subtle granite]

they are one of the stage npcs, he has a random chance of appearing at any time in your run when in tartarus

[cursive forge]

oh holy boloney on rye bread thank you rng for a kiss of styx

I like the person in asphodel a little more than sisyphus

but they do different things so they both good

[subtle granite]

||eurydice|| is bae

[cursive forge]

I know this is a loaded question but is there any boons that are not good?

or to generally avoid

[limpid charm]

Meant the one in asphodel

Sorry

[subtle granite]

it's ok

there are three npcs, one per stage and each can appear anywhere before the stage boss/stage end shop

[limpid charm]

Ty

Also, what do I do with diamonds?

[cursive forge]

I have yet to see the third area npc

[limpid charm]

I'm on the third area now, how many are there?

[cursive forge]

i think there's something special later

at least that's what all the npcs are hinting at

so I'm betting we should just wait and see.

[limpid charm]

Alrighty

[errant bramble]

We need a hot key that just types out “wait and see” or “keep playing”

[limpid charm]

Oh yeah also, for the renovation things, are any of the ones outside the work orders anything but cosmetic?

[karmic hamlet]

Yea just a couple though i believe

Scrying pool/aquarium are the only ones I've gotten so far that aren't

[limpid charm]

Ty

[subtle granite]

i have counted 5 that are useable

but there are more with importance that i dont know how to describe

[karmic hamlet]

||how the hell do you finish the dusa quest btw? I've bought tons of lounge upgrades but still can't seem to get it||

[peak vale]

what is yall fav weapon

[karmic hamlet]

Bow

[cursive forge]

haven't tried them all yet

[waxen basin]

spear

[peak vale]

i like the sword alot cuz its rly easy to use

but mashing attack does kinda hurt the thumb

[cursive forge]

I'm liking the fists so far.

but I've gotten the farthest with the sword

mainly cause of that ||heal on attack|| upgrade and then just started maxing health upgrades.

[subtle granite]

talk to nyx too

it's kinda dependant on your nyx and dusa dialogue rng

[karmic hamlet]

Ah ok thx, I haven't spoken to her in a non main story setting in a while due to ||super secret stuff happening recently||

[peak vale]

pog i got an aphrodite/artemis duo boon

[subtle granite]

thats a beautiful one

[peak vale]

my varatha also got the 50% crit chance so ima chew some wretch this run :shadesmi

[limpid charm]

What does it mean if a door has two symbols

Next to each other

[peak vale]

two boons

zagreus will say that youll piss off either god if you dont choose them

[limpid charm]

Like I choose or get them both?

Oh

[peak vale]

if you survive a gods wrath, they just give you their boon in the end and make peace

[fleet lily]

^

[peak vale]

writing is hard

😔

[limpid charm]

Their wrath?

[subtle granite]

have fun

[peak vale]

theyll attack you basically

[fleet lily]

You get a themed fight after the other god.

[peak vale]

because it is an important attempt at their pride

[fleet lily]

Can I use an example I just got recently?

[limpid charm]

Ohh

[peak vale]

remember they cant hear you so they assume youve discarded them

[subtle granite]

you basically show them you prefer somebody over them

they are pissy about such things

[fleet lily]

Gods will be gods.

[subtle granite]

maybe dont spoiler this lad more than necessary?

[limpid charm]

Not a lad 😔

Lol

[subtle granite]

i understand the curiosity

[fleet lily]

It was in Tart, so I might be fine?

[peak vale]

greek gods rly do be like this 😔

[subtle granite]

but you should really live through the game yourself

[fleet lily]

Basically ^

[limpid charm]

Ok

So should I go with a daedalus hammer or a Zeus/Artemis one

[fleet lily]

It's a lot more fun going in blind.

[peak vale]

your choice, theyre both good

[subtle granite]

do you need a boon more or do you need a weaponupgrade more?

[fleet lily]

^ to Isshin

[subtle granite]

depends on what you have/need

[limpid charm]

Prolly an upgrade, I have a boon from both of them already

Ty

[subtle granite]

sure thing :)

[fleet lily]

Np!

[peak vale]

yeah id take a hammer over boon

[subtle granite]

btw very sorry i call everybody a lad

[peak vale]

good luck

[limpid charm]

Oh it's fine lol

[subtle granite]

dadchilles gang 😔 ✊

[karmic hamlet]

Gender neutral lad and dude ftw

[fleet lily]

It's like the American "bro"

[subtle granite]

yea

bro feels less hades-ey

so lad

[karmic hamlet]

Mate

[fleet lily]

Boy

Become Kratos

[karmic hamlet]

Or just go full skelly with boyo

[subtle granite]

i still think of the thing that hades calls zag "boy" because he knows how to work with cerb (a dog) and just assumed it's as easy

[peak vale]

oof im at elysium with 50 max hp i had no luck with that stuff lmao

[limpid charm]

what do I do with diamonds?

Haven't seen it come up at all yet

[fleet lily]

I believe their description tells you what they do.

[peak vale]

is it possible to get titan blood after getting them from the furies

[limpid charm]

Ohh I keep forgetting to read the journal thing mb lol

[fleet lily]

IIRC they're used for construction but idr

[errant bramble]

Keep waiting on diamonds since the last time you asked 20 minutes ago

You’ll get there

[limpid charm]

Ok

[subtle granite]

you get those bounties after defeating them once per difficulty level and weapon

so if you defeated them once with bow you wont get any blood from them again with the bow until you have won the run and increased difficulty
or changed the weapon

[peak vale]

oh alright so NG+ i can get more aight

i got blood from every weapon so i gotta ng+

[subtle granite]

aye

[tall sail]

Finally got first clear bow cheesing

[subtle granite]

gg!

[tall sail]

Then also got my second clear bow cheesing

Kind of scared to try any other weapon

[fleet lily]

Me @ the lance.

[subtle granite]

lance?

[fleet lily]

All the other weapons are pretty solid, but the lance has gotten me the farthest.

[subtle granite]

thats ok, they wont bite

[fleet lily]

I think I might be thinking of the spear.

idk

[tall sail]

First time I used the rail it did like no damage

[subtle granite]

i felt the same with the spear

but now i got used to all weapons except rail

even if my winrate with rail is 5/6 if i remember correctly i just hate its feeling

[peak vale]

yo using rail special is so its too damn slow

i wanna nyoom

[fleet lily]

Think I'll wait until I get it myself before I ask what "rail" is.
Maybe it's a railgun that somehow snuck its way in from Quake.

[peak vale]

also TIL blackguard is pronounced blaggerd

[subtle granite]

clusterbomb, or rocket upgrade 👀

[peak vale]

i skipped rocket for the shotgun once and i regretted it so hard smh

[subtle granite]

i once forgot to read and missed both rocket and clusterbomb

damn you, prophecies

[sly vigil]

bruh

[peak vale]

holy crap i got 2 duos in a run

[fleet lily]

Nice

I've found a boon that says it deals more damage when slamming foes into barriers. By "barriers," I assume it means walls and such, right?

[subtle granite]

yes

whenever you knock an enemy back it can say "cornered" thats what it mainly means

[thorny mantle]

or "wall slam"

[fleet lily]

Ah okay.
Just needed that specified.

[errant bramble]

I chose Rail once and regretted it 😛

[limpid charm]

What's better, death or stubborn defiance?

[old escarp]

For new players, generally Death Defiance

But if for some reason you only have 1 DD unlocked and also Stubborn unlocked, then Stubborn will have more value

That said, don't be afraid to try them both!

[limpid charm]

Ok

[woven eagle]

If you minmax, you should always go for DD unless you are doing a very high heat run

If you are using SD don't forget to suicide if you are below the amount you revive for after finishing a room

[peak vale]

im at final area with 75 max hp wish me luck 😭

[limpid charm]

Is it worth switching the mirror upgrades or not yet

[old escarp]

A lot of mirror talent choice will depend on your playstyle, so if an option seems appealing then give it a shot

[limpid charm]

Ok, ty

Shadow presence seems objectively better cause you can proc it multiple times right?

[old escarp]

There are times where Fiery can be better, but that's usually when you're focusing on a really heavy hitting build

[limpid charm]

Oh ok

Idk how to build in this game if upgrades and stuff are random

[old escarp]

Shadow Presence is a nice set-it-and-forget-it option

[wheat turtle]

is there any site where i can learn more about how to setup builds in general? after several runs i don't feel i am improving and stills struggling with clearing a run

[opaque geyser]

They aren't truly random, certain choices you make limit future probabilities

[old escarp]

If you're looking for specific advice, you can ask in #h1-builds-and-combat

[woven eagle]

There are YouTube videos but I would encourage you to try stuff yourself, it is more fun to theorycraft a build than to just copy something off YouTube

[old escarp]

Nyaanyaa also has a starter guide for each weapon in the pinned messages of this channel, @wheat turtle

[subtle granite]

you can also always ask with your prefered weapon and build style in mind

[wheat turtle]

ahh, excellent, thanks. this seems pretty helpful.

[woven eagle]

https://youtu.be/F2fe2pauer4 here is a guide for the sword by the speedrunner haelian. It's mainly about how to best use the sword without going into a full build or anything like that. He also has videos for all the other weapons. Something like this is more useful for learning the game than just suggesting a bunch of boons

[wheat turtle]

so far i had some success with the spear, but wanted to clear the game with the other weapons. the bow is my worst

[woven eagle]

Try getting used to getting off powershots reliably. If you dash before shooting, the windup is shorter so do that as well

[wheat turtle]

yes, i think this also seems pretty interesting. thank you, i will look at it

[peak vale]

pog 3rd duo boon in my run wtf

this time with ares and aphrodite

[fleet lily]

You know what they say,
All's fair in love and war.

[subtle granite]

sobs in hephaestus

[limpid charm]

Oof I didn't read and though abandoning meant going back to the house as if I'd died

[muted latch]

give up basically reverts your save to pre run

as if nothing happened

good way to bail on a run you know that would fail

[peak vale]

i got destroyed anyways cuz i had 75 hp

[cursive forge]

oh my gosh

[limpid charm]

Rip

[cursive forge]

the trials are the most difficult thing in this game

[limpid charm]

Trials?

[cursive forge]

the ones with the duals boons

[limpid charm]

Ah

[cursive forge]

I tried angering aphrodites again because I thought I would be prepared but all of I sudden I get three shot by the stupid heart

I've died to the trials I think 4 times.

[limpid charm]

Should I get the fountain chamber in asphodel or the fated list thing

[cursive forge]

I like it cause it replaces some chambers with just a relaxing fountain one.

I think I might just farm for those dark essences so I can afford death defiance two which I'm not looking forward to.

[bronze tinsel]

Just got 4 ||Diamonds|| from a prophecy; which of the "premium" upgrades (||dice from keys||, ||poms from nectar||, etc) should I get?

[errant bramble]

Get one, go kill hydra again, get the other?

[subtle granite]

||poms|| you will need the ||dice|| more later

[bronze tinsel]

Sounds good; now that I'm able to start beating FINAL BOSS ||Hades|| consistently, I can actually get a decent amount of ||boss drops||

[subtle granite]

or wait you said etc

[errant bramble]

Fountains probably help you progress faster, but I’m not sure if the ||Prophecy|| list starts completing before you get it?

[subtle granite]

have you not unlocked the others?

[bronze tinsel]

I have none of them at the moment

[subtle granite]

i assumed you had those already

[bronze tinsel]

Sounds super good; they all look tempting

[subtle granite]

those are far more important

[bronze tinsel]

Darkness will also be good since I run ||Dark Regeneration||

[subtle granite]

true

[limpid charm]

What's the room to the right of Achilles?

With the vases

[subtle granite]

hades bedroom, he will comment on it when you try to go through normally

[limpid charm]

I meant the bit right before the door but ig it's just a decorative entrance then?

[old escarp]

Yeah, it's like a gallery

[limpid charm]

I wish you could play fetch with Cerberus

Such a good boy

[limpid charm]

The sword says +20% darkness, how did I get that and can I get it on other weapons?

[pulsar frigate]

it's random

basically an incentive to play different weapons each attempt

[wheat turtle]

is it truly random? lately it seems to pick the weapons i don't like xD

[limpid charm]

Ty

[muted latch]

you dont have to use it

on non darkness runs it's not that much anyway

[limpid charm]

Just beat ||the third fury, super creepy, loved the fight, my heart is pounding lol that was fun||

For the petting achievement, can they be all at once or only once per run?

[placid karma]

you can spam pet in one go

[limpid charm]

I think I've done it over ten times now and nothing tho

[placid karma]

you need more. just pet cerby every run and you'll get it eventually

or watch something else while spamming pet

[unreal ferry]

You must always pet Cerberus.

He is a good boy

And deserves all the pets

[limpid charm]

Is there a way to manually save

[unreal ferry]

No, but you can leave and re-enter certain rooms in the House of Hades to have it autosave.

[limpid charm]

Ty

[unreal ferry]

No problem. :)

[forest thistle]

I don’t know man. I feel like i never have enough damage. I get to the end and its taking me a crazy long time to kill mobs. The boss fight stretches on for ever. I chip away at the health but it only takes one or two mistakes to get killed.

[full depot]

what weapon were you using

[forest thistle]

I dont get it either. I feel like i pick up the damage boons when i see them but still my damage is complete crap by the end

[forest thistle]

The aegis

But the problem is the same regardless of what i use

[full depot]

zag aspect?

[forest thistle]

Yes

[full depot]

im no shield expert but learning when to block was helped me do my shield clears

as for damage itself how far have you unlocked your mirror?

[forest thistle]

Need 30 keys for the next upgrade

[karmic hamlet]

Personally for shield i recommend spamming the charge, if you time it right you will take barely any damage cause you're either blocking or charging all the time
The damage isnt amazing but with some good hammers it can be really good

[dark torrent]

ferocious guard is great

[karmic hamlet]

My first clear with shield was with minotaur rush and sudden rush, it was really strong

[magic urchin]

If i choose deathless stand from athena, will i get extra death defiance even though i have skellys keepsake

[drifting island]

yes

im pretty sure ive done exactly that

nvm, continued in other chan

[fickle mountain]

for privileged status, it says it has bonus damage against enemies with 2 cursed status. What is considered a cursed status here?

[drifting island]

as far as I know, things that Olympian gods give. so like doom, weak, jolted, chill, hangover, marked, and whatever else I’m forgetting

ruptured

so iirc, weapon debuffs like from the hades spear or talos fists won’t activate priv stat

[gray haven]

Check pins. All the status effects that are listed in the link.

[fickle mountain]

oh, i see. thanks

[wild marsh]

Hi I’m new to this game. I wanna ask if I can change the graphics settings or no? Or can I only change the resolution

[woven eagle]

I don't think there is anything more you can do

[ornate badger]

on pc you can just turn off vsync and go full max on the resolution if ya can handle it

at least thats what I did and its smooth so far

[wild marsh]

Yeh I’m using 3090

[peak vale]

man progression in this game is amazing

its very steady with bosses being appropriate walls

[muted latch]

the game's assets dont really allow detailed graphics settings

so just resolution

[peak vale]

pog i got one of those builds where i got too many bonuses on condition so instead of learning a combo i just mash everything with some dashes sprinkled here and there and it works somehow

[subtle granite]

hehe, mash

[peak vale]

R1 R1 R1 R1

[dull spade]

Hi does anyone know how to change their weapons?

[subtle granite]

just click on them before leaving through the window

[dull spade]

Ohh okay, thank you so much!

[subtle granite]

sure thing, have fun :)

[errant bramble]

Is Typhoon Fury or Breaking Wave more damage output?

[subtle granite]

typhoon fury i'd say

[woven eagle]

I think breaking wave is better because it has a good chance to hit stuff in styx and both of the boons do nothing against bosses

[leaden whale]

@subtle granite cleared my first bow attempt wit Chiron - thank you this thing is incredible haha

[subtle granite]

ikr, it's a wonderful aspect :)

[woven eagle]

chiron is my favourite too

[leaden whale]

Went for the hammer bonus that gives additional arrows for the special like you said as well - ||Hades|| didn't want any of my smoke

[dry breach]

guys is lvl 1 chiron aspect bow decent or nah

[subtle granite]

he just melts like ice in the desert :)

lvl 1 it is a downgrade

[woven eagle]

lvl 1 pretty much requires the hammer with extra special arrows

[dry breach]

at wut lvl does it shines?

[woven eagle]

but it is absolutely worth leveling

[dry breach]

or get better

[subtle granite]

you really only feel its greatness after second with the hammer and after lvl 3 it just shines

[leaden whale]

max

I can vouch for Lv. 3

[subtle granite]

:D

[dry breach]

kk ill use shield and use my titan blood for lvl 3 thx :D

[leaden whale]

im not sure if this is the right channel for this but

I need help with defeating ||Theseus||

||he walks away from you after his attacks, that's your chance to hit him||

[peak vale]

||in my experience, i find success in beating the bull first||

[leaden whale]

||for the fight, you want to take down asterius first and keep them separated||

Yeah I do that first @peak vale

[subtle granite]

i thought you said "dating" first

[peak vale]

||walking away = spear throw, walking towards you = spin-dash||

[leaden whale]

||Focus the bull down and then bait the spear throw from Theseus for easy damage as he walks away||

It's when he ||uses the power of the gods that I have trouble||

[subtle granite]

try to get a good call up to immediately pop him

[peak vale]

||god power is the same usually but different patterns ||

[subtle granite]

i can vouch for artemis and aphrodite call for that job

[leaden whale]

Personally just focus on avoiding that or like Artemis said, counter with your own greater call

[subtle granite]

just get it to ultimate while defeating ||asterius|| and then when ||theseus|| enters his god stage call upon the god

[leaden whale]

I've been using Aspect of Demeter, and mainly Special-focused boons

[subtle granite]

who do you usually get for your call?

[leaden whale]

Poseidon

[subtle granite]

how good are you with it?

[leaden whale]

Eh, pretty bad

Should I focus on the Zeus one then?

[subtle granite]

then dont get it

yes

best calls imo are dio>||demeter||>artemis>zeus>aphro

[leaden whale]

Athena call is great

[subtle granite]

but thats just personal preference

[leaden whale]

When do you get ||Demeter|| boons? Never encountered him yet

[subtle granite]

true i forget it exists my bad

[subtle granite]

later

[leaden whale]

||after you reach the surface for the first time||

oh ok

[subtle granite]

i forgot which channel we are in again

[woven eagle]

aphro call is worse than athena IMO, you only deal damage at max gauge

[subtle granite]

but charm is bomb

you can stun bosses

[leaden whale]

What does Athena's call do again? Deflect damage around you?

[subtle granite]

yes

[leaden whale]

All about Artemis' for me. Just give me the big nuke

[subtle granite]

like poseidon just without the weird move system

[woven eagle]

artemis call is great

dio and demeter too

[leaden whale]

aphro call is better than arty

[subtle granite]

(spoiler ||demeter||)

[woven eagle]

I also like zeus if I am doing a zeus build anyway

[leaden whale]

least for bosses

[subtle granite]

artemis can do up to 5k damage

[leaden whale]

like none of the time

[subtle granite]

both have their up and downs

[woven eagle]

arti call does like 25% of a hp bar minimum

[leaden whale]

I'm probably gonna use Athena's call, simply because I'm using athena boons with the gauntlets.

[subtle granite]

if you prefer just nuke: artemis
if you want to use it else too: aphro

except you cant really use aphro normal call for clearing rooms......

arte call in normal encounters are like support fire just stronger

[leaden whale]

getting all 10 arrows to crit is a 0.0028% chance

[errant bramble]

I had aphro call, aphro legendary, and boons that boost your Rate of Call gain the other day. It was hilarious

Just charmed everything

Like whole room charmed at once

[leaden whale]

that's like seeing 4.5 shiny pokemon in a row

[subtle granite]

so?

your point?

[leaden whale]

its not consistent

[leaden whale]

I like that you explained in terms I can understand

[subtle granite]

one arrow does up to 200 damage without crit

[leaden whale]

shiny pokemon rates that low are like in pokemon gold

[subtle granite]

10x200x3 = 6k

[leaden whale]

I wanna figure out how lucky u gotta be for arty call to do more dmg than aphro

[subtle granite]

aphro does 2,5k

[leaden whale]

alright im gonna game for now

💪

one arrow does 100

[subtle granite]

up to

[leaden whale]

at common

[subtle granite]

with epic

[woven eagle]

does arti call do 10 extra arrows or 10 arrows total at max gauge?

[subtle granite]

ok then normally it's 1k with no crits; epic 2k with no crits

[leaden whale]

epic is 120 per arrow

to get effective damage increase from crits you take crit chance times the extra damage

so on average, common arty call is doing .35*3(10*100)+10*100 which is 2050

epic does 2460

so which one is better depends on rarity and how lucky you are

and how many poms you invest

bc poms increase arty dmg but not aphro