kay i guess i gotta try more times
#h1-for-new-players
grave yacht
grave yacht
finally got boost on drops on bow again so i can try 4th aspect finally
was on rotation spear -> sword -> shield -> spear -> fists -> spear for so long
im still progressing so im using the boost weapons always because a looooooooot has to be unlocked still
im on 55h++ on switch 🙂 such a nice game
and i want moooooooooore
lyric forge
In the end the boost is 20%, it's not gonna be make-or-break. If you wanna play something else for a change just do it.
grave yacht
20% is better than no boost 🙂
once ill have just cosmetic stuff to buy then ill probably just play w/e i want now i still gotta do missions to progress further in story 🙂
hard lichen
i finally beat the final boss for the first time! 
sterile solar
Congratz
solar shuttle
@hard lichen what build u used. congrat 🙂
leaden whale
how do I add spoiler tag?
faint umbra
||like this||
hard lichen
|| on both ends of the sentence
leaden whale
||test||
||rly sad that I got 0 progress from finally beating hades, just a single titans blood. Lol||
solar shuttle
@leaden whale ||it just beginning tho||
hard lichen
is the ||heat|| unlocked after the first run cleared or? i’m not too familiar with it, just only heard it in passing
hot yoke
Yes
queen dawn
relentless volley and Chiron bow AGAIN
leaden whale
oooh
queen dawn
ooops cant say that here lol
leaden whale
then its gonna rain!
hot yoke
Basically ez wins
Yes
queen dawn
this is some op crap bro
Is there any way to see how much damage pierced butterfly has racked up?
flint eagle
@queen dawn press B?
hot yoke
Nah it's not op
hot yoke
Collar
flint eagle
what collar?
flint eagle
Athena is the best cus she has Athena dash
hot yoke
It's more about builds than singular boon power
solar shuttle
||athena dash best boon ||
flint eagle
and athena dash carrries any run!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111oneoneone
hot yoke
Or what you are searching for
harsh leaf
and athena dash carrries any run!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111oneoneone
@flint eagle Relying on crutches can be your downfall, it's good to play without it just to stay sharp
hot yoke
Athena dash is not spoiler
queen dawn
Athena dash isn't that good change my mind
quasi rover
I'm still unsure where to spend my blood. I think I'm debating between || Chiron, Achilles and Eris|| but not sure on what to take and how much blood to spend on it.
queen dawn
hot yoke
@queen dawn you need to change your mind
flint eagle
athena dash is rly not as good as we are talking
harsh leaf
Also, not a huge fan of Athena's non-dash boons, so having her in my pool isn't without downsides
harsh leaf
Athena dash is only really good versus those damn mages
hot yoke
Two word
queen dawn
It depends on the weapon, because if u are using the right weapon then her special or even attack can be so damn good
hot yoke
Merciful end
harsh leaf
Athena's call is just Ares call that doesnt deal damage
harsh leaf
Why would I press many buttons to deal damage when i can just press a single one
hot yoke
Area limits you to low damage unless you do blade rift build
queen dawn
Hey who should I pick Poseidon or Ares? (This is a trial)
hot yoke
Because more damage
hot yoke
Why would I take one of the worst calls when I can be INVINCIBLE and have my insane dps
harsh leaf
Guys, I know it's good, what I mean is it's not necessary
solar shuttle
I like Zeus call
hot yoke
Nothing is necessary if you put it like tjat
queen dawn
Ok im picking ares
solar shuttle
easy aim quite high dmg
tepid bobcat
@queen dawn I think Poseidon's trial hazard is harder personally
hot yoke
No aim
queen dawn
Athena trial is the easiest
flint eagle
@harsh leaf after all it's only call which give you free possibility to stand still and fight
queen dawn
for sure
hot yoke
I like athena call because I like actually using my weapons
solar shuttle
Zeus call help me defeat ||Reacted|| many times
hot yoke
There is certain ones that are objectively better and some that depend on builds
harsh leaf
There are no downsides to jamming all darkness into perks in the Mirror, Primrose
wet schooner
Can it be reset?
queen dawn
I actually don't think I've ever used Athena's call
harsh leaf
You should be looking to max it eventually, but to start put points into the extra dash
solar shuttle
@wet schooner just 1 key for reset the mirror
harsh leaf
You can spend a single key to reset and refund all darkness
wet schooner
I mean - every run I will still get keys, same as the points
Like it’s not like there is a limit amount of keys right
hot yoke
No
cedar rose
@queen dawn Ares for sure. The wave is predictable and easy to dodge. If you trip into a blade rift, your HP drops like Bouldy.
queen dawn
@cedar rose Yeah I always thought the wave was easy, Ares is a really big pain imo
leaden whale
You'll have to try all the mirror perks anyway
hot yoke
You don't
cedar rose
You should. There's a prophecy to fulfill.
Not only try them all, but win with them all.
solar shuttle
yup ||Dark Reflection 4 Bloods||
leaden whale
Yeah actually it's not a must
flint eagle
@cedar rose and if idc about prophecy?
leaden whale
Important quest, i can give drink to a character for example megara without lose hearths with for example thanatos
leaden whale
Well
harsh leaf
In any scenario
harsh leaf
For relationships:|| Romancing multiple people also has no downside at all||
north scarab
I must have listened to over two hours of game dialogue on youtube by now. I would like to support the game but am scared I will become frustrated by the gameplay and won't be able to finish it. Is there a Novice/Beginner mode for easier combat?
harsh leaf
There is a god mode, yes, which makes the game easier
severe lynx
ares call> all imo
north scarab
Will cross platform saves include moving a PC file to the switch?
leaden whale
There is a god mode, yes, which makes the game easier
@harsh leaf there is?
harsh leaf
Yes
You can turn it on and off at any time from the menu
With no downsides, I believe
leaden whale
But this Will be a trick for unlock the skelly statues no?
hot yoke
Ares call is one of there worst imo
cedar rose
Yes, Tipsy, that function is on the way.
harsh leaf
Ares call gets you through ||the multi-laser phase|| of the last boss, so it cant be BAD, per se
north scarab
A perfect reason to buy Hades on the switch! My bf can play his PC game on a console or handheld 😁
hot yoke
Athena call also does that
Poseidon calls also does that
I'm not saying it's bad but it's one of the worst
remote spire
imo poseidon call is significantly better than ares call
i try to get it on each run lmao
hot yoke
In hades almost anything is viable
remote spire
this is also true!
hot yoke
It's just about how viable it is compared to other options
remote spire
definitely
hot yoke
I don't wanna talk down on your preferences
remote spire
imo theres a big difference between talking abt viability of builds and talking down on some builds
you can say that some builds are just less viable but i think the line is drawn when you start commenting about folks who use said build
but tbh i dont think youre doin that
harsh leaf
I'm not saying it's bad but it's one of the worst
@hot yoke It's really the only reason I use calls at all
remote spire
thats really interesting
severe lynx
@hot yoke how ?
remote spire
is there any reason you prefer it over any other call?
hot yoke
What have the other calls done to you xD
remote spire
i use poseidons call for the same purpose
harsh leaf
Aphro is great running up the floors but kinda sucks against the last boss
hot yoke
Athena let's you do even more
severe lynx
lol poseidons if you can play race car
remote spire
honestly i dont enjoy athenas call
severe lynx
youll hit like 4-6x
not as much as ares
werd at athenas tho
zeus is good but i always feel underwhelmed when i use it idk
remote spire
i find calls like
harsh leaf
lol poseidons if you can play race car
@severe lynx Much easier on controller, just go in tight circles
remote spire
zeus dionysus and demeter are just like
severe lynx
ye i use it but still
leaden whale
Which god can give boon = extra blood? (the thing used for cast)
harsh leaf
No
severe lynx
prefer sitting there w blade rift
remote spire
but theyre not really that good tbh
harsh leaf
Only Chaos and Artemis
remote spire
thats fair!
remote spire
i just dont find that freezing enemies is too useful unless you have some of dems other boons
severe lynx
eh 40% is enough for me usually >_>
remote spire
and at that point id rather have diff boons than push for dems tbh
severe lynx
but ay its preference
remote spire
not to say you cant do it, its just not how i play
candid nimbus
I like the slow, but I personally take a lot of damage. Slower enemies make easier dodge
severe lynx
ye i like dem cast builds prob the most of all casts
harsh leaf
Dem and Dio call are underwhelming, but if you get the right support boons, they really take off. I'd put them in bottom tier, still
remote spire
thats true her cast is great
its really nice damage over time and lets you stay out of the Danger Zone™️
lyric forge
Dio call is awesome, Dem is less damage than you'd think, unfortunately.
remote spire
yeah ):
severe lynx
aurelian dope name
hail sol
dio is decent dmg yea
dem i only use for the aoe freeze if i had it
lyric forge
Sol Invictus.
lyric forge
Depends a ton on the weapon in question.
severe lynx
artemis
remote spire
damn really?
flint eagle
@remote spire depends on weapon and aspect
remote spire
i avoid her attack as much as possible
harsh leaf
Aphro attack, I like big number
remote spire
this is fair
severe lynx
i only avoid it on gun
lyric forge
Fast attack likes Zeus or Dio, slow attack likes Aphro, Arty, Demeter.
remote spire
big number make brain feel good
harsh leaf
Artemis can get ridic on fast hitting weapons
remote spire
ahh thats fair then
hot yoke
Dio is far from bottom tier
severe lynx
yea artemis is great on fists
remote spire
using malphon rn and i am hating every second of it
severe lynx
ay
hot yoke
I'd almost call it a top tier call
harsh leaf
using malphon rn and i am hating every second of it
@remote spire Well, if you're taking Ares attack I can see why
remote spire
i have a few times but i just dont really enjoy it
theyre not bad weapons i just dont enjoy how they feel tbh
severe lynx
put zeus on there and vroom
remote spire
true!
severe lynx
i thought i didnt like malphon idk
candid nimbus
That's perfectly fine, but there's so much build variation you'd be surprised
flint eagle
U have to be jojo fan to use fists properly u know(
remote spire
im just trying to finish up getting all its daedalus perks
severe lynx
ft10 jojoban lesgo
remote spire
so that i can finish that prophecy and ignore them for the rest of time
severe lynx
arent wep prophecies just gems?
harsh leaf
I recommend varying your boons a bit, you cant put on gloves and pretend you can build them like shield
remote spire
yeah but im going for 100%
remote spire
yeah no worries
and ill try that queen
any boons you recommend in particular for malphon?
severe lynx
zeus on attack, special artemis poseidon(talos) aphro
flint eagle
@remote spire try zeus or dio for attack
remote spire
okay!
harsh leaf
Artemis attack, put a nice status curse on special, weak works best
candid nimbus
For Malphon my cheese is Athena attack, high damage special 
solar shuttle
Malphon really good imo
candid nimbus
Malphon's attack rate can let you deflect melee attacks sometimes
Gotta go reach Redacted
Good luck!
solar shuttle
if you have 3 dash and +10% range then malphon really shine
flint eagle
hah ricochet with hestia is cool
remote spire
i really enjoy the magnetic cutter
candid nimbus
Ricochet in general is super cool
solar shuttle
and with Athena dash u basically invincible 😄
remote spire
cant run it rn as its not compatible w some of the daedalus perks i have left
candid nimbus
Lets me shoot through walls
waxen haven
I just got Hades last week on Switch and loving it, amazing job Supergiant!!!
I like it so much that I want to also pick it up on Steam after realizing the game has plans for implementing cross save in the future, but I was wondering if it makes more sense for me to wait until that feature is out before starting to have two separate save files? I'm assuming if I had two separate save files (one on switch and one on steam) it wouldn't merge them, I'd have to choose one to sync?
candid nimbus
I think so
hot yoke
I'd assume that too
candid nimbus
Not really sure how they intend for it to function tbh
hot yoke
There are no concrete tells when cross save will be out as of yet
solar shuttle
I'm stick with switch version for now it's rock when it docked
hot yoke
Or how it will work
I'm stick with switch version for now it's rock when it docked
@solar shuttle
Switch gang
waxen haven
heh, yeah it seemed perfect for Switch which is why i waited until it was out for it
but since I also stream (and I can stream on Switch) it's easier for me to stream on PC so would be just a convenience ting
*thing
hot yoke
You'd either have to start a new file or wait then xD
Can't you just do it via capture card?
solar shuttle
But Hades on the goes is really something 😄
waxen haven
Yeah I do stream it currently but since I usually play PC games i have to swap my cables and change connections to the switch
waxen haven
yep! such a great game to be able to play portably
hot yoke
Well I'd assume it's nice to have a game you can enjoy on your own leisure instead of it being relegated to stream schedules
queen dawn
||AYYY I UNLOCKED DUSA'S HEART||
hot yoke
Best waifu
hot yoke
Bouldy is soulmate
It's above waifu
Lernie is pet
In the end my heart belongs to bouldy tho
hot yoke
AMEN
flint eagle
lol
queen dawn
I thought that the final ||aspect|| for Aegis would be ||Aspect of Thalia|| from Percy Jackson but I was wrong :/
hot yoke
In the end percy jackson is just a commercial interpretation of the greek myth
flint eagle
only in the end of 3rd boss i realised i have piercing attack
queen dawn
plus, the final ||Aspects|| are about the future so I was like "Huh, maybe that would be it"
candid nimbus
Some are past it seems
hot yoke
And the movie was a bit of a guilty pleasure for me
I dunno why
queen dawn
ewww
hot yoke
Aspects are just about other mythical beings
hot yoke
@queen dawn yes I am ashamed
flint eagle
fists rail and bow are past
queen dawn
oh, well I haven't unlocked them all yet so I guess I'm just dumb :/
flint eagle
known about what?
queen dawn
So I see this in the house contractor's stuff, should I buy ||Erebus gateways|| and why
flint eagle
so hades is somewhere between Trojan war and 200 AD year
@queen dawn yup
it will be helpful later
anyway
candid nimbus
||Erebus gateways|| are harder exits, but they provide greater benefit
queen dawn
okay
candid nimbus
If you are on the fence they can wait
harsh leaf
Erebus gates are not necessary
candid nimbus
As the difficulty comes from not taking any damage
harsh leaf
Until you're doing|| high heat pact runs||
flint eagle
5 is not high
sullen pier
what does the thing that looks like a sliced pom of power do?
candid nimbus
rando to a boon
harsh leaf
Yeah butmost are going to be 10 and 15
candid nimbus
You don't get to choose
flint eagle
@sullen pier random +1 boon
sullen pier
lame
candid nimbus
It isn't terrible for the cost
flint eagle
not lame if u have only boon u need
harsh leaf
Ah yes, the single Hangover boon level 20 approach
flint eagle
lol nice one
harsh leaf
I also accepted Crystal Beam lvl 20 as an answer
sullen pier
also, geforce says I have 600 fps, is that a bug or something?
candid nimbus
Nope, not my run
harsh leaf
Nah Connor
queen dawn
but seriously why does everyone claim the dash is so good
like the attack seems pretty good to me
candid nimbus
Am I part of everyone 
outer sky
pretty sure dash gives extra invinibility frames
queen dawn
hmm okay
harsh leaf
It makes you deflect along the entire dash length, which is just bonkers, yeah
queen dawn
hmm alright I'll go with the dash
hot yoke
Depends on the weapon you take it with kappa
harsh leaf
With more dashes you can just be invulnerable as long as you mash A
sullen pier
I haven't seen the dash yet, I've barely seen her and dyonisius
hot yoke
pretty sure dash gives extra invinibility frames
@outer sky it doesn't
sullen pier
or however you spell his name
queen dawn
Dionysus
outer sky
@hot yoke well damn, still a pretty good ability tho
harsh leaf
Might be tier 2?
indigo remnant
Hunter’s Mark requires other boons first
sullen pier
any artemis boons?
harsh leaf
You can check in the codex
flint eagle
@sullen pier any basic
indigo remnant
Iirc it’s any boons that give critical chance
harsh leaf
If you bought the extended thingamajig
hot yoke
I love that word
sullen pier
oh yeah I forgot I bought that
hot yoke
~NICE JOB~
queen dawn
Hey so there's an ||Erebus gateway|| should I go in it? I have a ||Chaos boon|| on me rn and I can't attack
candid nimbus
To pass Erebus you have to win without taking damage, so I recommend not
hot yoke
Those you always have to do hitless
queen dawn
oh nevermind I need more ||Heat||
hot yoke
First is at ||5|||
candid nimbus
Game: You're not ready yet
hot yoke
The Fates know
sullen pier
fists with hunters mark is awesome
hot yoke
Support fire rains supreme
sullen pier
you jam 12 hits, people get critted, someone else gets marked, huge chance to get critted, rinse and repeat
queen dawn
especially Chiron bow and exagryph
hot yoke
Unfortunately theres limited slots
sullen pier
yeah support fire is awesome
wise ivy
speaking of exagryph
i have clears for every other weapon and need advice on a decent starting exagryph build
sullen pier
when you already have a boon with artemis, it's win win
hot yoke
Zeus attack
candid nimbus
Depends what kinda build you're going for. Can do either normal attack or special. Zeus/Dio can work really well for normal attack. High damage like Aphro/Art/Dem can work for special
hot yoke
Also spread fire=big damage
But it's hard to play
But if you take spread fire also take piercing fire
Just be warned
outer sky
i always hope for the triple special from the deadalus hammer and just get a high damage buff for that
candid nimbus
Rockets are fun
candid nimbus
I had a nifty aimbot explosive slow build going
wise ivy
rather not rely on a specific hammer
hot yoke
It's called builds lol
candid nimbus
Yeah that's fine
hot yoke
But wether or not you go for hammer
candid nimbus
Base rail without hammers can work too tbh
hot yoke
Zeus is always a good option
wise ivy
i mean
if i get that hammer i'll do it
if not i need a safe option to aim for
hot yoke
I mean it's a roguelike
harsh leaf
Stack damage% on special, I'd say
candid nimbus
Special does fairly high damage, but slower. Regular is faster, but less damage. As such high damage boosts are good for special and things that give set damage such as Zeus and Dio are good for regular is a good mindset to keep imo
wise ivy
fair enough
candid nimbus
Ares can work, but I find it's a little awkward
outer sky
are some deadalus upgrades more common then others cuz i get triple special almost every exagryph run, or am i just lucky?
hot yoke
F.e. if you take something that transforms your attack you can't take anotjer
remote spire
some perks also are mutually exclusive with some weapon aspects
hot yoke
So no world splitter with flurry slash
outer sky
i see, that makes sense
hot yoke
Although I would like that lol
harsh leaf
So no world splitter with flurry slash
@hot yoke But can you imagine
hot yoke
Tiny hitbox the game
queen dawn
I like how Alecto is just like "You bleed red like a mortal" But it also seems like Hades bleeds red???
candid nimbus
How do you know Hades bleeds red, we never see him get out of his chair
queen dawn
and if he doesn't then wtf color does he bleed
hot yoke
Red
queen dawn
wtf color do gods even bleed dude
candid nimbus
That might just be river styx being dominant
hot yoke
Lot of people in there
queen dawn
Oh wait I think its gold
remote spire
wish my blood was gold but im not o- type 
queen dawn
I might be dumb but gods bleed golden ichor right?
remote spire
maybe?
hot yoke
Get rich ez
sullen pier
also who is the narrator?
remote spire
i dont think we know
hot yoke
Isn't it in the credits?
remote spire
they mean the character not the voice actor
sullen pier
I don't mean irl
candid nimbus
I don't think it's explicitly said... I think someone came up with a theory somewhere
hot yoke
It's Narratus the god of narration
hot yoke
He comes to aid those who most need a narrator in life
remote spire
wamp womp
outer sky
theres definitely something i dont get about fishing in this game, ive caught like 100 fih at this point and all of them are the normal boring ones
remote spire
you have to catch them very fast to get the rare ones
candid nimbus
Gotta be quick. <0.34 seconds for perfect
hot yoke
There's a perfect carch
remote spire
carch
outer sky
well my reaction tim must just be real bad then
candid nimbus
Gotta almost immediately catch it once you see the light/vibration/soundque
hot yoke
Butter fingers
candid nimbus
but even then it's 5% chance for a legendary fish
remote spire
yeah it takes a while to figure out
hot yoke
I always pull out too early
remote spire
what helps for me is not having my finger on the key
hot yoke
remote spire
i hover it above the key so even if i twitch it doesnt go thru
hot yoke
If I do that I miss the opportunity
indigo remnant
A good rule to remember: there’s only ever a max of 3 nibbles and one bite. So when you’re about to get to 4 it helps with the reflexes
Most of my perfect catches are when it reaches to the fourth bite
remote spire
wish i had known that before now tbh
outer sky
guess ill just continue suffering with my horrid reflexes
remote spire
39 hp no death defiance esketit
hot yoke
4 perfect catches, 2 legendary fish, like 60/70 runs
There is no happy in fishing
candid nimbus
ezpz you got this
indigo remnant
Once you get used to the rule of 4, it actually becomes real easy to get perfect catches. Unfortunately that doesn’t always result in ultra rare fishes, but it helps
hot yoke
Lol second I got is redacted fish
candid nimbus
I forgot about that tip, I'll add that to my notes for sharing
hot yoke
Just both conditions together is unnecessary imo
You got notes for sharing? That's dedicatiom xD
indigo remnant
I only ever get ||bass|| in ||Greece|| and it kills me 😭
hot yoke
They don't let me out there any more
I dunno why
Just because my footsteps are burning the ground?
That's discrimination imo
remote spire
im only missing the one before ||bass|| for ||greece|| i got the ||sturgeon|| on literally my second try 😭
all my luck went into that one catch and now i am cursed to suffer eternally
candid nimbus
You can do it!
remote spire
analyse his attacks and figure out how to avoid them
itll take a few runs but youll eventually have one where you get him
hot yoke
It's all about memorization
remote spire
is there any attack in specific that youre having trouble with?
hot yoke
And patience
indigo remnant
Yeah he’s got a Dark Souls vibe to him. Just get those patterns down
queen dawn
Yo I just beat Lernie without taking damage
remote spire
poggers connor
hot yoke
You'll love his upgraded arena
indigo remnant
And honestly, the shield is really good for beating him first time, allows you to be right up in his face
remote spire
^ this is also true
remote spire
alrite lads wish me luck 1 death defiance ||hades time||
remote spire
thank!
leaden whale
It's just his insane swing radius
candid nimbus
Yeah you got this! Good luck!
candid nimbus
His insane swing is choreographed pretty well
leaden whale
im playing chiron build and takes some time to get the special off
maybe i should try something else
candid nimbus
I believe a small white circle pops up showing it's about to come. Similar to Theseus
hot yoke
Chiron is always
Shot-three times special
Repeat
candid nimbus
You can kite and keep a lot of distance away too
remote spire
^
leaden whale
when I full clear with heat gauge 1 and then tune it up to 2, do all bosses give blood again?
candid nimbus
Just gotta be on your toes and yes
remote spire
all bosses will give their rewards again
indigo remnant
I tend to flank him and poke his butt
hot yoke
@leaden whale Spoiler tag please
indigo remnant
Once again DS style
outer sky
my strat is to get right up in his face and then when the sweep comes dodge behind him because the sweep pushes him forward
leaden whale
o sorry
remote spire
yeah marin same
flint eagle
cus it happens after 1st clear
flint eagle
@hot yoke on what
sullen pier
I got the special +400% damage to armor, special does +168% damage and knocks enemies away, and divine dash, in less than 10 chambers
what is this
hot yoke
@flint eagle on saying ||heat|| is spoiler but not tagging it
sullen pier
ironic
flint eagle
@hot yoke yup mb
candid nimbus
Yeah it confuses new players a bit
remote spire
yeah theres absolutely no chance i will win this
sullen pier
also, what does a skull on the door to the next chamber mean
hot yoke
Mini boss
harsh leaf
Miniboss or boss
sullen pier
oh, ty
harsh leaf
Yeah, no chevron for elite room, one chevron miniboss, two chevron boss
remote spire
^
candid nimbus
Ah it's a chevron I keep forgetting that word
sullen pier
also, does it not tell you when theres a fishing spot?
hot yoke
Same
sullen pier
like a line of dialogue
candid nimbus
He sometime says it, there's a ding at end of room
remote spire
sometimes
candid nimbus
I miss a lot of them lol
remote spire
||phase 1|| finished but i have 40 hp left and no dd LMAO
hot yoke
The audio cue is either at the beginning or end of the encounter
hot yoke
You'll pull through
remote spire
if i get hit once i am McDead
outer sky
you just gotta get used to checking rooms for fishing spots after clearing them
hot yoke
Costs time though
remote spire
i can get up thru ||elysium|| every run so im not worried abt it
remote spire
yep!
hot yoke
Addiction loop of a roguelike
remote spire
YEAH LITERALLY
honestly ive been loving hades so much im probably going to go back and play sg's other games
harsh leaf
i can get up thru ||elysium|| every run so im not worried abt it
@remote spire Just keep at it then, you'll get it done
remote spire
never had an interest previously but hades went straight from "neat game" to "hyperfocus" to "special interest" so i think ill enjoy their other stuff too
harsh leaf
Think at this point I've lost more runs to Elysium than the final boss
harsh leaf
SGG's other games.... dont have the same gameplay focus hades does
sullen pier
elysium is harder for me than the first 2 floors combined
remote spire
i use ||thanatos' summon|| to knock a good amount off the champions every run tbh
thats intentional
sullen pier
yeah I know
outer sky
honestly asphodel gives me the most trouble just because of the bomb skelletons
remote spire
yknow what yeah i hate those little men
sullen pier
the skeletons that leap, I hate them, I'm just trynna hit them once and I cant
remote spire
my least favourite enemy by far tho is the little shield folks in elysium
sullen pier
specially with fists
candid nimbus
I just run, fist doesn't stop bomb 
remote spire
yeah thats the best tactic for em honestly
hot yoke
In bouldy I trust
candid nimbus
Although if I'm confident in my abilities I can slap em a bit
candid nimbus
Just gotta make sure you can kill em
outer sky
by the time i get to elysium i have a pretty good build going so shield guys are just annoying, theyve never really ended my run
sullen pier
yeah, also sometimes theres so many particles I can't see them bombing their feet
candid nimbus
Oh wait those guys
hot yoke
It's just muscle memory
candid nimbus
Yeah the asphodel bombers are pretty annoying
hot yoke
Dodge after you kill them
sullen pier
crap I just missed a fishing spot
I don't mean that
they just throw a bomb towards you when you're right next to them
and I just dont see it
candid nimbus
They're smaller than most enemies so it's hard yeah
I try to keep my distance from enemies and do hit and run
outer sky
the attack where they freak out and drop 3 bombs is really hard to react to so thats atleast 12 damage youre taking
candid nimbus
...Although I just eat damage anyways
sullen pier
yeah, but sometimes the particles become overwhelming and it's hard to see, at all
candid nimbus
You're right, not much we can do about it though. Underhanded tactics... I mean we are in the underworld
sullen pier
with quick recovery and divine dash, spam dashing with fists is just three times as good
heroic tempest flourish, never seen that rarity before
hot yoke
With fist u usually just hold attack and spam dash
Something something with butterflies and bees
sullen pier
yeah, but those 2 boons make it way more op
remote spire
its 100 nectar for the decor right?
sullen pier
that and doom with attack, stacking attack increases damage, 12 hit combo aspect, and stacking doom gives extra doom
I can't imagine it
hot yoke
I think that's not a new player channel question lol
remote spire
thats fair lmao
outer sky
i love the fists so much
probably my favorite weapon
i feel like theyre the most versatile but thats probably just my bias
candid nimbus
Can be
sullen pier
what chamber is second boss? 23?
candid nimbus
24 according to main chat
pulsar frigate
aspho is 10 chambers long, so that sounds about right
harsh leaf
it's 14, 24, 36 for boss chambers
novel pilot
what is the max lvl for a weapon aspect slot?
harsh leaf
5
The amount of blood required to hit that level varies. In order top to bottom, ||five, fifteen, sixteen, and fifteen again.||
novel pilot
thx
novel pilot
i just need to know it s i know when i can unlock the last one
harsh leaf
Levels dont matter for that
Check the sticky in story and spoilers for how to do that
novel pilot
thanks
to unlock the aspect ||of guan yu do i have to spend 5 tb on spear or every weapon?||
flint eagle
@novel pilot all other iirc not only spear
novel pilot
thanks
daring oracle
||Unlock 5 aspects||
harsh leaf
Again, ask questions in that chat please
flint mason
65 hrs of playtime after one week...I might need an intervention 👀
daring oracle
Nah, I hit 120 in two weeks, so that sounds right
flint mason
so much to do, so much to see...I might reach that time too after two weeks^^ Damn you Supergiant for making such an addicting game!!
flint eagle
games*
gilded mesa
I only have 5 titan blood but there is a deal at the shopkeeper shade, 1 titan blood for for 200 gemstones, I'm sort of new so I'm not sure if this trade is worth it or not
harsh leaf
It really isnt
Resources are infinite, but TB is definitely the hardest to come by, normally
gilded mesa
Okay good to know, thanks
ivory ocean
@jade wing please don't try to evade the swear filter
jade wing
Oh my bad
But ya, this game is amazing
There's always something to do or see whenever you're back.
ivory ocean
yeah it's really cool how much of the story is built into losing. losing always brings new dialogue
hollow yarrow
even after 220 hourse after relize clean new save. im still have dialogs. VOICE dialong. its feels endless work in.
jade wing
Also the music is great and the way Zagreus interacts with other npc is so so good
I just hope the new dialogue options and such won't run out anytime soon.
Also the way Zagreus treats everyone apart from Hades with such care and Respect.
daring oracle
@gilded mesa if you are trading backwards, 10 gems > 1 key, 5 keys > 1 nectar, 10 nectar > 1 diamond, 2 diamonds > 1 ambrosia, 1 ambrosia > 1 Titan blood
It would be 1000 gems to get 1 Titan’s Blood
So getting only 200 for a Blood is you getting ripped off
Generally the special sales where the ratio is the better item traded for the more common item will be a rip off. And trades in the other direction are good deals.
wise mica
what are some favorite casts for cast builds with the achilles spear
I've done hunting rift before
any other good ones
candid nimbus
Dio w/ Dem Zeus duo, Pos w/ Dem Zeus Duo
flint eagle
@wise mica u may try dem may be
@wise mica i prefer sygian for casts which stuck in enemies
so i do not wait untill they fall off
and for ares or dio it can be infernal
wise mica
Perfect thanks for the suggestions I've heard of the poseidon duo cast ill try to give that a try
Any suggestions on the attack
Spear attacks seems like a wierd in-between wheres not fast enough for dio to be amazing
candid nimbus
tbh I go straight cast builds with Achilles spear lol
wise mica
But its also not hard hitting enough for artemis
Ya but its good to have a decent attack because I can use the 3rd or 4th proc of the buff on attack
gilded mesa
@daring oracle thank you
harsh leaf
Dio on spear attack is fine, but ya need some other stuff for the big deeps
Charged skewer or something
candid nimbus
Ares doesn't sound too bad either
Oh wait it doesn't benefit from the Achilles' rush?
harsh leaf
Doom damage? No
candid nimbus
rip
flint eagle
all % bonuses play only with base damage
actually all mirror perks and all keepsakes also interact only with base damage
candid nimbus
Isn't everything based off of base though
jade wing
What's the Titan Blood for, again?
harsh leaf
For the thing that happens after you unlock all weapons
candid nimbus
After you unlock all the weapons you'll use em for that
but if you really want to know: ||It's for unlocking and upgrading aspects||
harsh leaf
Got hit less than five times? Impressive
flint eagle
@harsh leaf 5
Dio Chiron is awesome
even if i didnt find his duo with Aphro
i still had one with Ares
south cipher
Hi! 🙂 Could you tell me which renovations are the most useful among these?
- Dark thirst also gives +20% gems (2D)
- Gem rooms also give gold (3D)
- Darkness rooms also gives health (3D)
- Gemstone after killing underworld bosses (4D)
- Chambers may contain an Erebus Gate (5D)
candid nimbus
The gemstone after boss kills is solid for grinding the others
candid nimbus
Oh wait diamonds I see
south cipher
Yeah ^^
candid nimbus
Then Darkness hp first, afterwards I would get gemstone
As you can still find the 100 gems for 1 diamond deal every so often
daring oracle
Erebus gate is probably the last I’d go for
south cipher
Ok, thank you @candid nimbus @flint eagle !
daring oracle
You have to ||clear a wave of enemies without getting hit|| for a potent reward
Or you get a Zonk prize
hollow yarrow
Gemstone after killing underworld bosses. becaus you can upgrade chest reward alote faster for 500gems. and chest start offer alote of darkness and more gems. specialy with chaos boon or poseidon.
south cipher
Oh yeah I'm gonna be so bad at that 😅
harsh leaf
Honestly I'd leave gem room +20obol for second to last
flint eagle
@daring oracle and u have to be at least ||5 heat for that||
daring oracle
That too
I bought that early when I was only at 0/1 ||heat|| with most of my weapons and was really frustrated I couldn’t use it
south cipher
@hollow yarrow I think I already maxed out chest reward upgrades
harsh leaf
I bought that early when I was only at 0/1 ||heat|| with most of my weapons and was really frustrated I couldn’t use it
@daring oracle Big same, wish I hadnt done that
daring oracle
Gems > Keys > Nectar > Diamond > Ambrosia/Blood gets you a lot of things you’ll need
hollow yarrow
Check it.becaus numbers from chest can be realy huge. after bosses alote more. its can be run with 3k darkness with chaos boon in end.
daring oracle
So yeah, definitely gems from bosses
candid nimbus
Adds up quick too
gilded mesa
Does the death defiance ability from the mirror replenish its uses between escape attempts, or is it one time use
vale fog
@gilded mesa it’s per escape :3
harsh leaf
Stubborn defiance, on the other hand...
vale fog
I tried doing a run with stubborn defiance and I just couldn’t :’)
harsh leaf
Also, there are ways to replenish DD charges mid-run. Try it out!
gilded mesa
Wow, that is really good, why is that stubborn defiance is bad?
gilded mesa
Okay, so DD is worth it?
pastel cipher
SD becomes much better at ||high heat||
yes
DD you have more leeway in boss fights
SD you have more leeway in regular rooms
so it really depends on what you're struggling with
hollow yarrow
||Same rule work ever for high heat. 32-40.not realy on hell 40+.SD probably must have.||
pastel cipher
with ||high heat most use LC4|| so SD becomes infinitely better as it gets around the ||no healing of it||
||heat|| is spoilers here btw @hollow yarrow
gilded mesa
Okay cool, I'm pretty new so I'll use DD for now
hollow yarrow
oh come on its not room for new players)even in new players room talk about skulls
flint eagle
@hollow yarrow actually it is
dawn niche
No spoilers
candid nimbus
It confuses new players
dawn niche
^^
pastel cipher
anything including final boss and past a first clear is spoilers here
||heat|| is past the first clear, therefore spoilers
dawn niche
Also with that ||high heat|| move to #h1-builds-and-combat i would say
hollow yarrow
jesus. i not in my usual room! sry!
candid nimbus
Not the most spoiler of things, as bold souls who do hellmode first save are rare but well
gilded mesa
Does boiling blood stack damage with more stones?
pastel cipher
no
dawn niche
instant clears in rooms
pastel cipher
it's bugged on the live version
dawn niche
i think?
pastel cipher
Fiery presence that is
gilded mesa
Okay that makes sense I guess
pastel cipher
you can look at the changes on the horizon in #test-branch-updates or even take apart in it if you want to by reading #test-branch-readme and following the instructions there
@flint eagle
candid nimbus
Oh there's a test branch?
pastel cipher
not really, read the #test-branch-readme for details ^_^
pastel cipher
all good
the test branch contains tech/bug fixes and balance changes before the update gets rolled out to everyone
flint eagle
well it's almost like PBE in LoL
pastel cipher
indigo lagoon
atomic pond
thanks! here's to many more
I finally did it using the adamant rail
both attack and special heavily buffed with Aphrodite damage boons
1 hammer for 3 round burst (no reload) and 1 for targeting system
and Ares rift cast
Aphrodite damage buff boons are so good
I used to do all my runs starting with a random starter boon but this time I decided to go with the Aphrodite trinket to guarantee a damage boon and it worked lol
dawn niche
GRATZZZ
dusty patio
congrats man
dawn niche
🥳 🥳
atomic pond
thank youuu!!!
dawn niche
now to do it all over again >:D
atomic pond
yepp, time for more fun
I can't wait to keep unlocking every aspect
vapid sun
I can't beat theseus and the minotaur can anyone suggest any tips
flint eagle
@vapid sun 1st try focus bull
stay away from theseus so he cant hit u with spin attack
hide behind column from his spear throw
gray haven
That might be of some help for the fight. https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/725021347968712724/762538995476332564
vapid sun
what weapon should I use?
gray haven
Whatever you're most comfortable with. They're all viable.
merry folio
Hide behind the pillar from theseus. Learn the bulls patterns. He'll always do his triple slash then jumping attack 3 times (usually). Dodge towards him when he jumps and backstab him.thesues on his own is quite simple tbh. Bit trickier when he summons the gods powers but just keep moving
gray haven
If you need help with builds, I wrote a simple guide for that for all the base weapons to get you started with something solid. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2233472883
vapid sun
thank you guys for your advice ill try this next time!
atomic pond
so i just unlocked the ||heat system|| and have a question
||So for titan blood, u cant reset it like the darkness using a key right?
If so, how much blood can you get using the heat system? I'm guessing if ur able to do a max heat run with every single weapon u can get enough titan blood to max out every single weapon?
Because of how scarce it is, is it a better idea to max out only one aspect per weapon? Otherwise, it feels like I would waste the blood if I ever wanted to try out a different aspect and have it spread out instead of making one aspect a lot better||
flint eagle
@atomic pond there are some other way to have blood
||1st of course bounties.
2nd is fishing.
3rd is broker.
4th is prophecies.||
let me count
(5+15+16+15)*6
so it's 306 blood
for ALL weapon
atomic pond
wow that is a lot LOL
flint eagle
well 153 runs
pastel cipher
@atomic pond ||heat|| is spoilers here so please spoiler tag it ^_^
flint eagle
153/6
atomic pond
sorry! just did it
flint eagle
@pastel cipher what is ||bounties heat limit?||
20
@atomic pond so u can have 42 blood with each weapon ||only with bounties||
pastel cipher
||20, 25 for hell mode||
flint eagle
@pastel cipher i already found it by myself but thank you
atomic pond
Thanks for the help @flint eagle ! It seems like getting ||at least 1 aspect maxed out on each weapon|| is pretty reasonable, and more too if I just keep playing for far longer, which I probably will since I freaking love this game so far
flint eagle
@atomic pond some aspects may be cool in lvl 1 already like Hera
and some should be maxed first like Chaos or Chiron
atomic pond
Oh ok thanks, I'll check Hera aspect out
atomic pond
yeah, just 2 hours ago LOL
so far ive invested ~3 blood in magnetic cutter cause i thought it was fun
flint eagle
also if u use alternative mirror perk for bloodstones u have no reason to upgrade Hera at all
sterile solar
come to think of it, wouldnt it work if you had exit wounds?
flint eagle
@sterile solar exit wounds doesnt work with Dio cast anyway
upper blaze
I am newish to this game and I feel like I have a lot to learn xD
candid nimbus
Just takes time, you got this 👍
flint eagle
becuse there is no escape
flint eagle
ask Hypnos
upper blaze
Farthest I've reached is the third major boss (Minotaur and the other dude, I'm bad with names lol). But I know I have a lot to unlock and find 👀
Are there certain gods that appear later on or need certain requirements to start finding em?
flint eagle
@upper blaze funny. one time Zag meets them he called them Asterius and The Other Guy just like you
@upper blaze there is 1 god requires to beat final boss at least one iirc
all others are free to show up
upper blaze
Huh
I don't think I've ever seen Hephaestus, Demeter, Hera or Apollo. Or maybe I did and didn't pay attention
flint eagle
@upper blaze most of this gods are not in game
upper blaze
Ah ok
upper blaze
I don't mind spoilers but if this ain't the right channel for it, then I understand
merry folio
@upper blaze || demeter will appear, the others are just mentioned! ||
dreamy bloom
Okay, so I just upgraded the shield of choas to have the "power rush" ability with the hammer. Doesn't seem to be any different though.. any hints?
limpid mantle
While you're charging up the rush, there's a point where it will flash white
Let go of the rush and it will be a power rush
It deals more damage
It's similar to how the bow works
limpid mantle
Yea
dreamy bloom
haha, i didn't even realize. i've just been charging and holding and shooting
limpid mantle
It deals more damage
dreamy bloom
wow, thank you so much
dreamy bloom
makes sense, i thought the flash was just to signal it was at as charged as it could get
severe swift
how do you romance meg and than?
ive given them all the nectar i can and the codex says to deepen my relationship with them but how
dreamy bloom
they have a quest
sorry i mean, someone of them have a quest. after you max out nectar gotta move to ambrosia
timid geode
When do I get weapon version besides the default ones
frank kelp
do boons/hammers that buff attack also buff dash attack?
I know the inverse isn't true
sand bridge
yep
frank kelp
@timid geode have you beaten the game?
sand bridge
though not entirely sure about hammers
frank kelp
you don't technically need to beat the game, but it goes faster
sand bridge
certain hammers that say "attack" don't affect dash strikes, such as Cursed Slash on the sword.
gray haven
Attack hammers never affect Dash-Attacks. Attack boons always affect Dash-Attacks.
Dash-Strike hammers will only affect Dash-Attacks. Dash-Strike boons will also affect the Dash-Special on Malphon.
Rush Kick will affect both Special and Dash-Special on Malphon; the other Special hammers won't.
Everything else should be straightforward. Don't think I missed any of the odd ones.
quaint nebula
Hey. The dash attack on the bow is very hard to pull off. It rarely works. Meanwhile the sword dash attack happens all the time.
sand bridge
it's very easy actually. Just dash and start charging your bow. It charges faster.
quaint nebula
The dash attack is faster charging?
gray haven
@quaint nebula yes.
lapis knoll
I feel dumb asking this I have 40 hours playtime but still haven't gotten the codex (that's multiple clears to...) What have I done wrong :(?
cedar rose
People are not mentioning the fact that, with bow charges, you specifically release when it flashes. After a moment too long, it's overcharged and hits for about the same damage that it would have dealt just before being fully charged. It's a matter of timing.
Need to keep talking to Achilles, @lapis knoll.
Talk to everyone.
@gray haven Can we get a 📌 on that list that you just gave? Maybe edit it into one message for convenience?
gray haven
You'd have to ask a mod, like @pastel cipher. I can't pin anything. 
lapis knoll
Thank you Noahlvaldi, I will keep chatting to everyone etc 🙂 Thought that may be the case, he's just never around annoyingly!
gray haven
If you don't have the codex after 40 hours, I think that's worth sending a bug report with F10 to let the devs know about it.
A bug report sends them a copy of your save file, so they'll be able to look into what's causing it and maybe make some changes to make sure it doesn't take that long.
lapis knoll
I considered y/day but I know full well I may not have spoken to him - Is it a spiked ! that would trigger it?
I have spoke to Achiles what I would consider a fair amount, had the credit roll aswell lol
gray haven
It's always a ! that triggers things like that, not sure if it's a spiked one for the codex. I got my codex like 500 in-game hours ago or something.
Yeah, I'd definitely send a F10 report if you've already seen the credits and still don't have the codex.
pastel cipher
it is a spikey ! convo for the codex from memory