Zagged when I should’ve zigged
#h1-for-new-players
tame hedge
lethal whale
||everyone knows what the best call is||
pliant prawn
So I got my first clear (Chaos Shield), and working on getting the rest of the weapons before I turn the heat on.
What companion would be a good first specifically to beat ||Hades|| (if there is one) since that's my only road block atm?
Sorry, spoilers on
foggy zephyr
you can't use it on Redacted until you unlock the ability
pliant prawn
How is that unlocked?
marsh ether
||Any companion is better than having none.
That being said you can only use Skelly and Bouldy on redacted.||
pliant prawn
@marsh ether how is ||Bouldy|| unlocked?
foggy zephyr
I remember being able to use ||Meg|| on redacted
pliant prawn
||Skelly|| seems like a good choice specifically in boss battles, no?
foggy zephyr
no really, since you can hit him too
marsh ether
||Sysisphus' quest requires you to free him from his punishment. Max out him and Nyx and it will unlock eventually.||
pliant prawn
Right, that's fair Yakumomo.
marsh ether
You also need Ambrosia.
pliant prawn
I have some Ambrosia, so I should be good for at least one or maybe two companions with my Nectar and Ambroisa
marsh ether
||Skelly|| companion becomes good when you upgrade it but ||base it doesn't tank well||
lethal whale
the more I learn about this game the more I see how insane the grind is
pastel cipher
||companions are spoilers in this channel|| so spoiler tags please
foggy zephyr
uh... the grind is non-existant since it's part of the story
lethal whale
a grind with a good story is still a grind to me 😛
foggy zephyr
you get more story the more you die
lethal whale
I only care because I HAVE A LIFE ;~;
foggy zephyr
your life is chatting on Discord now discussing about a game you haven't played?
odd forge
Also: a grind is explicitly not a grind if you're getting resources whilst also experiencing new narrative, content etc.
marsh ether
I would save up 2-4 Ambrosia @pliant prawn
odd forge
A grind is when you're repeating endlessly stuff with no gain other than resources.
lethal whale
throw the dictionary you're referencing in my face so I can read it, because I disagree with that 😛
odd forge
You can disagree all you like, but you're still wrong
foggy zephyr
just buy it on Steam, set a timer and try it for 2 hours
lethal whale
CRIES IN 12 HOURS PLAYED
odd forge
Hades is inherently narratively based, as much as it is a roguelite
marsh ether
Pace yourself man
foggy zephyr
a roguelite is literally grinding
marsh ether
I mean fair
odd forge
Also... the wikipedia page for Grinding literally agrees with my definition
foggy zephyr
at least in Hades, you get a great story that progresses and other mechanics
lethal whale
other mechanics Me: dying in lava great mechanics 😄
odd forge
I'd also argue that technically, well-designed roguelites are less grindy than, say, static open-world games.
foggy zephyr
that's on you
odd forge
A roguelite or roguelike is at least somewhat different every time.
lethal whale
because playing as Zagreus every time is soooo different 😛
marsh ether
It depends on how you look at it.
Every run is different but it's always the same enemies and rooms. It can feel very repetitive to not see something new for an extended period of time
lethal whale
let me play Hades as Cerberus 😄
odd forge
Let me tell you, as someone who took 107 attempts to beat the final boss for the first time...
lethal whale
12 attempts here
odd forge
it didn't feel very repetitive
foggy zephyr
6 weapons, 4 aspects each, 8 Gods, yes it's clearly same
lethal whale
Yaku Im joking 😛
quasi rover
Is the Poseidon sword any good right after unlocking it or do you need to put more blood into it?
odd forge
the weapons are all different, the boons you get offered in a run can vary significantly
foggy zephyr
Nemesis is better at 1 point, Poseidon is good if you go for cast builds at 50% + cast damage
pliant prawn
Ok so some strategy q's: I'm usually fine going through everything all the way up to ||Hades, granted I have good room clears for the final dungeons, but then his first phase is really killing me. I'm a bit impatient I think, but any pointers or tips for builds to go for if that phase specifically is a problem? Phase two is usually easier.||
odd forge
and I say this as someone who actually has a very low tolerance for "true grind" in video games.
I wouldn't have played Hades for 67 hours if I felt it was grindy
foggy zephyr
are you using Acorn for the boss hits immunity?
pliant prawn
Hm, Acorn...? 😛
marsh ether
Well at that point it's just personal preference. One person's experience is not the only one.
foggy zephyr
Keepsake from Eurydice, the first 3/4/5 hits from the boss room are null
odd forge
re beating ||Hades||, yeah, I think you need to be super cautious and make sure you avoid the ||skulls||.
Well at that point it's just personal preference. One person's experience is not the only one.
@marsh ether I mean, true: but things actually change every run. A grind is usually a soulless experience of doing the same thing endlessly with nothing for it except a lot of resources at the end. Playing Hades a lot is still getting me new story every run, and still a lot of variation throughout the run.
marsh ether
I can say I've played some games in which procedurally generated rooms and new weapons didn't lead to a change in the game feel so they felt stale despite being always new.
It didn't happen to me in Hades but it can happen.
pliant prawn
@foggy zephyr Riiight, I've been focusing on leveling the other keepsakes, but that's been on my "give a try for actual clears" runs
winged gate
err, what is ||hades|| first phase again? but anyways, i find distancing myself whenever he looks like he's charging up or standing still for more than half a second helps
odd forge
I can say I've played some games in which procedurally generated rooms and new weapons didn't lead to a change in the game feel so they felt stale despite being always new.
It didn't happen to me in Hades but it can happen.
@marsh ether Right, which is why it's also important that Hades also has evolving plot and sideplot. You're never just repeating stuff endlessly with nothing new happening.
marsh ether
I think we'd better have this discussion in #video-games
odd forge
err, what is ||hades|| first phase again? but anyways, i find distancing myself whenever he looks like he's charging up or standing still for more than half a second helps
@winged gate The ||first phase|| is ||firing skulls, regular invisibility, summons of armoured shades, spin attack, stab attack||.
winged gate
oh yeah
pliant prawn
Also not stopping to ||fire laser fire||, which I actually prefer.
Perhaps having more patience is the simplest answer here.
The other bosses I can be quite aggressive with
odd forge
Yeah, ||phase two|| loses the ||invisibility|| and replaces it with ||terrifying laser fire||
ashen vault
Any tips on how to make value of sisyphus keepsake?
winged gate
my personal tactics. there are monsters who beat ||40 heat|| in this server, so there might be better advice.
in order:
||skulls - he stops for about half a second I think. dash away, or even better, deflect. try to dash away then dash sideways.||
||invisibility - you can see his footsteps along with audio cue.||
||summoning shades - ehh.... good luck.||
||spin attack - also does a massive charge up along with a outline of the attack radius. dash away. deflecting also works, athena dash op||
||stab attack - hades is super slow, unless on extremer mesures or forced overtime. constantly dash behind him.||
jaunty thicket
I agree both that phase one is harder and that patience is pretty important. My fights on that boss tend to be a litttle long, but I have a very long winstreak at this point
marsh ether
Any tips on how to make value of sisyphus keepsake?
@ashen vault use it. A lot. ||The value of that keepsake is the healing it gives so use it as much as possible. ||
pliant prawn
@winged gate thanks! And that's encouraging to hear, Lee Lemon
jaunty thicket
Until you get a good feel for it, I would generally recommend dashing in for a few hits after he attacks, then dashing out
winged gate
only to get hit by a skull
marsh ether
@ashen vault also ||companions are a spoiler here, please tag it ||
ashen vault
im talking about keepsake though, not (redacted). a bit confused right there
pliant prawn
Yeah sorry, I was asking about redacted
odd forge
It's also fairly safe to boringly cheese the final boss with the shield (especially with the right casts or DoT effects)
winged gate
yeah lol
cheesing it is fairly easy with ||sudden rush and athena attack boon||
just, like, stand in a corner and hold the shield up
profit
marsh ether
@ashen vault oh keepsake.
I don't really use it that much. ||It's mostly good with UC and even then a god keepsake is better||
pliant prawn
The shield is the one weapon I've actually managed to clear with, and I think is the one I'm bound to have the easiest time with going forward too.
marsh ether
60% damage is ok but when I can get an Artemis boon I'll always pick the Artemis option.
I'm not biased.
winged gate
especially on early runs where you don't have rare boon droprate unlocked
60% damage is ok but when I can get an Artemis boon I'll always pick the Artemis option.
I'm not biased.
Somehow crits never trigger for me lol
ashen vault
whatever chaos is offering are considered boons, right?
marsh ether
Not for family favorite but yes
ashen vault
got it
marsh ether
It is 80.
Still going for Artemis.
muted latch
I wonder how hard ||insane|| it is to kill Theseus first then Asterius
sand escarp
they're both easy to beat
for me, the hardest part is beating ||Hades and the tiny mouse (tiny vermin)||
pastel cipher
||Hades fight is spoilers in this channel|| @sand escarp
please spoiler tag it ^_^
ty ^_^
marsh ether
T first is something you can do but you need to chase him around because of Bull Horn
You also need a lot of burst damage or health for his call
formal rover
yeah i’d go for arty too lol
I used to go for Theseus first all the time; he has way less health and after you kill him you only have to deal with one enemy
It’s not ridiculous imo, but i’ve been forced to admit recently that it’s probably usually best to go for the bull first
You also need a lot of burst damage or health for his call
or you can use ||summons|| if you’ve unlocked them
marsh ether
That is burst damage, yes
barren marlin
Guys what’s your weapon tierlist?
foggy zephyr
all of them work well, tier depends on you as the player
barren marlin
I mean the gauntlets doesn’t feel really good
Like it wouldn’t be effective against groups
foggy zephyr
neither does guns by default but you can find ways to fight groups, you do have a cast and call
barren marlin
I mean most of the time I get Poseidon’s call
And it’s useless against groups unless you got 4 charges
marsh ether
All weapons are good if you like them. I like spear and fists.
barren marlin
I like spear too
And in most of the games I take gauntlets when there is
But those looks like they’re bad
foggy zephyr
Fists are great
marsh ether
For fist you need to dash attack a lot. They can't hit you if you're constantly behind them
hollow basin
tbh the gauntlets are probably pretty good, but I need to get used to them ._.
then again, I haven’t managed to get past the final boss 😬😅 I can reliably reach the final boss but then I get shredded
marsh ether
That's normal
hollow basin
yeee I‘ll get there eventually 😄
hollow basin
Kinda wish there was a practice range to just practice the final boss so I don’t have to fight my way through everything else, but that probably makes the game much easier then
marsh ether
You can roll back the save or make it read only
hollow basin
wait, you can boot up a save file in the middle of a run? O: I never knew that, that’s pretty cool!
barren marlin
Is it this one ? @gray haven https://youtu.be/Wg7SlvO4WSA ?
marsh ether
Yeah if you are just entering a room you can quit and it saves your progress
vocal belfry
my fists time is 5 mins faster than my other weapons O_O
gray haven
No. That run you linked is from well before 1.0.
barren marlin
Where’s the one with gauntlets ?
marsh ether
35 mins is a lot.
It should be around 10
hollow basin
thank u, I might try that with the save file then 😄
gray haven
Don't really want to link videos here. You can find all the speedrun records here, though. https://www.speedrun.com/hades
barren marlin
Ok yeah, you need to assault to take care of groups with fists
winged gate
I wonder how hard ||insane|| it is to kill Theseus first then Asterius
wait what
is it the other way round
I always finish theseus first b/c his shield annoys me to no end
although with ||extreme measures yeah sure asterius first cause all theseus does is run around and throw tomato at you||
marsh ether
Those tomatoes deal 50 damage tho
obtuse relic
i've always || targeted asterius first. i've only killed theseus first maybe 3-4 times. ||
winged gate
Those tomatoes deal 50 damage tho
cause theyre rotten
but well theyre much easier to dash away from
marsh ether
Yeah
marsh ether
A is always a positioning issue. Also gotta be careful of instant swings
barren marlin
guys i'm testing fists its actually very good
pastel cipher
niceu :3
winged gate
unless you're playing on a potato, in which case the game decides to lag on you at random moments
muted latch
For Merciful End does it have to be an actual deflect
or just have to activate one that can deflect
marsh ether
No any attack that can deflect triggers it
pastel cipher
an ability that can deflect
muted latch
but apparently it lowers Doom damage?
marsh ether
Yeah an attack not an Attack
winged gate
oh
pastel cipher
nope, it just immediately triggers doom and does 40 more damage on top
muted latch
nice
winged gate
in which reminds me to test whether if ||repulse shot aura deflects as well||
muted latch
my dodge, attack and cast all deflect so it's free damage on top
marsh ether
I don't think that hammer benefits from boons. It's like the sword blade beam
winged gate
piercing waves?
marsh ether
Yeah they don't benefit from boon effects
winged gate
oh
muted latch
for early titan blood farming do I really have to clear first two with all weapons one heat at a time?
winged gate
yeah no they don't apparently
for early titan blood farming do I really have to clear first two with all weapons one heat at a time?
one, hydra gives diamonds
unless there are more reasons as to why you'd need diamonds
pastel cipher
diamonds unlock ||passive effects from picking up meta recources as room rewards. Darkness increases max hp by 5 for example (bought from the contractor)||
muted latch
yeah diamonds too
I obviously need diamond too so just fury and hydra kills
seems tedious
might take off death defiance and just do two boss speed runs then
neat epoch
I didnt find any of this tedious, its just so fun to go as far as you can in any run in this game
winged gate
diamonds unlock ||passive effects from picking up meta recources as room rewards. Darkness increases max hp by 5 for example (\bought from the contractor)||
oh yeah right
old bison
Just about to start playing and I was wondering if there was a list of tips (which perks to choose etc) somewhere? or if Im gonna need to do some wiki diving/trial and error
muted latch
like first ever run new?
dont, play and discover yourself
early game is not really that complicated
neat epoch
dont worry about it, you will get the jist of what works well together yourself
foggy zephyr
I would just go in blind for a few hours then try out wiki but you might spoil yourself
neat epoch
dying is fun in this game
obsidian locust
Yes
old bison
The one thing I know so far is Im gonna make my dodges deflect
I decided to play after watching a few streams
And I know I just like to min/max be op from the start
muted latch
well for blood and diamond farming I'd have to use weapons I dont really enjoy like the rail
foggy zephyr
avoid Hellmode cause it doesn't add anything significant that you can't impose on yourself later
marsh ether
Want power? Take all the darkness
old bison
That sounds like an ad
neat epoch
sometimes its really fun to discover that a weapon you dont usually enjoy can feel completely different because of a weapon upgrade
which changes its function completely
marsh ether
But I'm not trying to scam you
Darkness and keys is what you want, but mostly darkness
old bison
Haha I fidnt think you were, I appreciate the tip, I just think it sounds amusing
thorny lantern
keys at the start for weapons, at least
thorny lantern
yeah
old bison
👌
marsh ether
Weapons? Nah.
Instant power is mirror and only mirror
thorny lantern
like you tend to gather darkness as you work your way past the bosses repeatedly
marsh ether
Or shield
thorny lantern
so i'd say it's fine to take keys whenever they pop up for the most part
marsh ether
Yeah
old bison
Nectar is orange?
muted latch
yes the orange round vial thing
obsidian locust
It's orange? I thought it was yellow
muted latch
158, 62, 6 in RGB code, seems orange to me
obsidian locust
Well I'm colourblind so I guess you guys would be right
marsh ether
Darkness, keys and nectar
thorny lantern
blue border rooms are retained rewards
marsh ether
And anything bosses drop
foggy zephyr
marsh ether
I don't think you can even drop gemstones your first few runs
obsidian locust
Yes
barren marlin
ok ty
barren marlin
yeah dw
old bison
If nectar upgrades boons and boons are temporary then how is it permanent? Does that upgrade stick to that boon for next time you unlock it?
marsh ether
Those are upgrades to the resources you can get later
To give those resources relevance late game
eternal yarrow
what are the aspects I should go for first?
teal shuttle
@old bison nectar by itself is permanent, later on in the game you'll get an upgrade in the contractor that makes it so that you get +1 lvl to a random boon when you take nectar
old bison
I thought I gave nectar to other characters
I just gave one to the skeleton and he gave me his tooth
old bison
Can I ever use more than one weapon or just one a run
muted latch
one a run
tawdry spindle
hey guys. how to get the contractor to sell me the something that would let me have the companion shady by sisyphus? i've been in a lot of dialogue with nyx sisyphus hades bouldy etc but still cant get the contractor to sell it
gray haven
@eternal yarrow Tempest Flourish.
old bison
Hey so I walled into a room with charon
And its got food as one of the items
But it says "gift" and has a minus 1 nectar
What does that mean
Does it want me to pay nectar for some food? Seems like a poor deal
Oh wait
tender tendon
hey guys. how to get the contractor to sell me the something that would let me have the companion shady by sisyphus? i've been in a lot of dialogue with nyx sisyphus hades bouldy etc but still cant get the contractor to sell it
Contractor?
tender tendon
Ye most likely
tawdry spindle
@tender tendon i mean the one who you buy the upgrades on your house with
old bison
I just chose boons to take care of crowd control... then walked into a room with one boss 😑
Man makes plans and Hades laughs I guess
tender tendon
If you are asking about ||companions ||, you dont need the contractor? You just need to gift enough nectar and || subsequently 1 ambrosia || to the person
I just chose boons to take care of crowd control... then walked into a room with one boss 😑
Ye it do be like that sometimes
muted latch
once you get more runs down you'll have a rough idea when bosses are coming up
tawdry spindle
@tender tendon well, i cant give nectar to sispyhus anymore. only talk. and i cant also give ambrosia. i've read that I need to buy the "knave-king sentence" from the house contractor for 10 diamonds, but I can't get it to show up in the list to buy it.
thorny lantern
on that note though is there a particular order between those purchases or did it just do a funky order because random
dense laurel
yeah, it will give the prophecy once || sisyphus introduce about what he done when hes alive||
viral elk
Ok so I'm fairly new to the game, and have cleared the 3 stages only once. Anyone have good builds/tips on the combat? Appreciate the help
winged gate
Full aegis build for some funky cheesing
restive dirge
Can you only give ambrosia to certain people? And at certain times? Cause I have a couple but have seen no option to give so far
viral elk
What's a full aegis build 
winged gate
grab all athena you see on shield run
profit
viral elk
O
gray haven
That works on any melee aspect in fact lol.
thorny lantern
shield always felt like it didnt cover you well as an athena boon
might just be me though
viral elk
The one time I did all 3 levels was with shield having the bull rush snipe
gray haven
winged gate
pretty sure she's some sort of neural network AI designed to beat gamers
viral elk
winged gate
how
how
viral elk
Any tips for the Theseus/Bull fight? God I hate Theseus so much 
winged gate
I used to finish off theseus first 'cause shields. Although, having tried it out, I think doing asterius first is much easier.
once the bull's out of the way Theseus just feels like... an elite version of the shield wretch
viral elk
Oh. Hm I'll try that
winged gate
also yeah try to listen to audio cues
with asterius it's just grunts and snorts so it's hard to distinguish but theseus literally shouts out what he's going to do
(or his spear does, but anyways)
gray haven
High-skill tip is to focus down Theseus because it reduces his attack to mainly just his easily i-framed spin, and you'll never lose sight of him, plus Asterius stays very close, so you can easily hit both a lot. But if you're still learning the fight at all, you 100% want to learn Asterius's moveset first. If you get the miniboss fight with him, you can practice just evading his attacks consistently without going for Attacks. Then in the fight vs Theseus, do the same again but behind some pillar away from Theseus, then once Asterius is down, focus on just avoiding attacks from Theseus at close range. This way you get to really practice the fight and can easily see the moments where they take some time to recover and you have an opening to attack safely.
Once you're used to both, you can focus on taking down both at the same time while focusing on Theseus.
Copy-paste from something I wrote yesterday.
viral elk
Ooh. Nice, thanks!
winged gate
woah
that's some solid advice
a bouldy for being solid
I always just rely on visual and audio cues which is not entirey reliable, especially if I corner myself in
viral elk
The way I play is just go ham on everything 
gray haven
If you're worried about Asterius's bull charge, fight him between a pillar and the wall, then just dash through him when he comes at you. He'll try to do a 180 and crash into either the pillar or the wall.
gray haven
So you would have a pillar to your left and the wall to your right or vice versa.
viral elk
Yeah. I gotta try using one of your builds
meager shuttle
that's some solid advice
a bouldy for being solid
🏂
cobalt river
Should I use death's defiance, or the one that lets me defy death once per room? I'm having some difficulties with some of the mobs in Elysium, and I know that some of the rooms before ||Hades|| is really annoying, I've also decided to just try and practice one boss at a time, one weapon at a time, so I'm hoping that will eventually help me get to a point, where I don't need death's defiance to defeat bosses. So wouldn't it be more optimal to practice with the other one? (I don't remember its name, but as I recall it lets me defy death once per room, right? 😅)
foggy zephyr
last boss is spoilers, DD is preferred for low ||heat|| runs
mortal rain
what does the yellow mark on bounty mean ?
split dome
Mind you you just take more damage with some weapons
eternal yarrow
is ambrosia only used on the trader?
candid nimbus
It's used for building bonds, when you finally need it, you need a lot
So try not to use a bunch at trader if you can help it
eternal yarrow
I haven't used anything from the boss rewards, only a diamond, is it best to keep if for later and just get blood from clearing?
candid nimbus
Diamonds/Ambrosia/Titan blood should generally not be traded with the broker. However you'll be fine if you already traded some
eternal yarrow
Got it, now about blood, which aspect should I invest into first, I've only finished a run with the spear so far
candid nimbus
Is there a weapon that you really like?
I know some people recommend just upgrading the default aspect on shield
However, titan blood trick:
muted latch
in general Hades Spear, Chaos Shield, Chiron Bow are super good
eternal yarrow
my least liked are the sword and the fists
but I play with whatever has the darkness buff
candid nimbus
Go to courtyard, spend the blood, DO NOT GO INTO BEDROOM. Go on a run to test, then either altf4 before death or Give up to revert save back to courtyard save. No blood spent/committed. That run never existed so you can try things out before saving/committing
eternal yarrow
until I max everything
candid nimbus
If you want to test aspects
muted latch
just beware shield needs a bit of blood investment
eternal yarrow
doesn't the game save after every room
muted latch
level 3 at least
eternal yarrow
or is that in settings
candid nimbus
Give up reverts your save back to courtyard
muted latch
for initial testing this is good
candid nimbus
Read wrong, the default aspects are fine for small amounts of blood. Some aspects can be used without max*
Like Hera bow functions fine without max. While Chaos aspect for shield may need max
muted latch
if you have less than 10 blood (which you probably do), hades spear and chiron bow are already very good at level 2 or so
eternal yarrow
yeah only got 7
candid nimbus
but I would use the testing method to see what fits your playstyle
muted latch
both are weapons capable of very consistent and easy clear without a lot of investment
eternal yarrow
is ||heat || a spoiler or can I talk about game mechanics freely
candid nimbus
||heat|| is spoiler here
muted latch
it is
candid nimbus
It also confuses any other new player who doesn't know what that is
muted latch
that and final boss are spoiler
candid nimbus
Although if you're a hellmode new save, then I guess you're better off in normie discussion maybe
muted latch
foggy zephyr
Nemesis Sword, Achilles Spear, Chaos/Zeus Shield, Hera/Chiron Bow, All 3 fists, All 3 railguns are good. The default Zag Aspect is usually bad
candid nimbus
Woah there, default zag aspect is fine 
foggy zephyr
not really worth the blood tho
lyric forge
Only really "bad" Zag aspect is the Sword one. The rest are fine.
valid shell
I got two times to the end of the run and two times I have died there
candid nimbus
That happens, just gotta keep at it, you got this 👍
If you can work your way up you can beat 'em!
neat epoch
I played almost 30h and still have no use for ambierosa for some reason Oo
candid nimbus
Gotta gift 
to people then do favours/rngdialogue
The last heart is where Ambrosia becomes important
valid shell
Although gotta say very much a fan of Aphrodite, Dyonisus, Athena and Ares (Bisexual hyperventilating) 
candid nimbus
If you check Codex that should say
The last heart is the Ambrosia heart
Well, assuming you have codex
dawn moon
what happens when you use hera with Demeter cast? does it just launch a turret?
lyric forge
Yup.
mortal rain
I've met the last character after the last boss twice now but I can't give nectar to him/her, what do I do ?
glass fossil
How do u get like diff weapons? Like the other shield, do u have to beat the game first
glass fossil
What happens if u keep giving nectar to the same god?
muted latch
every basic mechanic in early game is gradually revealed to you when you play more
you increase their favor, there is also a mirror talent that introduces benefits from this
glass fossil
So better boons rarity
muted latch
focus on getting all the keepsakes first so spread your nectar gifts on all of them
glass fossil
I watched a few streams they r able to reroll boons if they don’t like it? Does that come later in the game
muted latch
yes, mirror talent
short edge
I have like 7 Abrosas idk what to do with them lol ?
tame hedge
Eat them. Transfer them to the real world and enjoy.
short edge
Cerberus is my best boi tho.. didn't unlocked any new items for me tho.. except for that cute ferocious bond sticker which is enough I love it 
Eat them. Transfer them to the real world and enjoy.
You do realize Abrosa is actually used to be drink at Mount Olympus it's more like a God level drink..
Yeah thank Dionysus for that
earnest cobalt
Is it useful eventually to keep giving nectar to the same character
Eg charon
Asking for a friend .....
pulsar frigate
you get extra dialogue/story for most
rugged inlet
That's how you improve relationship level
Some will have extra rewards later on; most characters also have a fate associated with them
pulsar frigate
some ||give extra gameplay-related stuff|| but i don't want to spoil who
earnest cobalt
Sick 🙏
harsh leaf
There are also lots of quest lines with Fated Prophecies attached that depend on relationships with several characters
long stump
where did skelly go
pulsar frigate
switch to a different weapon and start attacking
long stump
ok
old bison
Whats going on, Im constantly finding myself suddenly and inexplicably unable to take any action besides jogging - no dash, no attack, etc
Controller doesnt seem broken or out of charge
And Im not getting hit with a debuff as far as I can tell
Maybe a chaos effect?
iron fractal
Dude, final boss has a second phase!? 😦 😦 😦
My first time getting to final boss and I clear his first phase easy
Melted in second
neat epoch
haha he does
candid nimbus
We don't say final boss names
Redacted or Final Boss is what we say, pls edit message
@old bison That doesn't sound right, is it like randomly when you're fighting?
Might need to ask #h1-tech-support sounds more like a bug?
broken hare
Hello when the affinity with a character is full u got bound on item does that change something or is just a message bonus ?
candid nimbus
Like all hearts full?
broken hare
y
candid nimbus
Some characters have more to them once hearts full. The bond thing on your keepsakes is just a visual flavour text
broken hare
Oh ok it's just a text thx !
thorny wedge
How do I ||get the final Keepsake (I assume it is from Hades)||? And how to I ||pass the locked heart for gifting people like Skelly||?
harsh leaf
- Have you seen the credits yet?
- Give more nectar and have more conversations with other people. ||Nyx in particular is a nexus point for a lot of these quests, but I don't know for Skelly in particular||
candid nimbus
Boyo needs some RNG dialogue, he should ||tell you to kill him with Zag aspect sword maxed|| As for the first question.... I think keep playing
thorny wedge
- no, I was afraid of that. thank you
- thank you, I'll press on
thanks as well @candid nimbus
cursive linden
Looking for some spoiler free tips on how i can take less dmg on the third boss fight. Ive been stuck there for a while now. Any good strats? Ive been using cover, but im still getting clipped. Ive been as vague as possible to avoid spoiling anyone
candid nimbus
Lets see, you have to know their attack patterns. Usually hit and run tactics are what I find works best
Double dash is nice
Pure dashes have i-frames, dashattacks do not
daring oracle
Dash through the pillar when ||Asterius|| rushes at you
vast ravine
Focus on the bigger one, so you're not overwhelmed.
candid nimbus
The one who calls us short stuff
daring oracle
Get used to the timing from the audio cue and the icon on you to when it actually attacks
candid nimbus
That's a good tip, if you get the timing right you don't need to focus on hiding
long moss
is there a timer shown somewhere for the "fast clear = dodge" keepsake?
lyric forge
Yeah, there's one below the keepsake. Circle that keeps draining.
light flame
are Keys basically just for the Broker after you unlock all the weapons/mirror?
pulsar frigate
there’s some late game cosmetic stuff, but yes
light flame
thanks
cobalt geyser
also there is sound cue when you cleared room in time
eternal yarrow
Is it better to go for gods' legacy or gods' pride
jolly quartz
I prefer the epic chance myself. If those are the ones I'm thinking of.
candid nimbus
It's down to personal preference, depends what you're hunting. I personally prefer the epic chance yeah since I have mirror maxed
rugged inlet
Epic chance feels better for general consistency
But if you're looking for a specific run that needs a duo or legendary, that's the obvious choice
vale yacht
I did with a pretty lucky build, and a new save game, but now can't get the Achilles convo for the first and most important unlock.
candid nimbus
I cleared the game before yeah
rugged inlet
Afaik, there's just a pool of conversations, and if you keep talking to him long enough, he'll get to it eventually
vale yacht
Hoping so, I've taken to dying constantly in the first few rooms just to get it.
harsh leaf
I did, and yeah it took a while
candid nimbus
As long as you've done everything #h1-story-discussion pin says
harsh leaf
Took me like 12+ runs after beating the game once
vale yacht
Awesome, thanks.
viral elk
It's been 41 attempts and I haven't cleared a single run 
ashen vault
it will feel good when you will win
near sail
And you get to listen to a great boss theme at the end 
pastel cipher
@vale yacht ||hades fight is spoilers in this channel, so spoiler tag that please||
stoic goblet
1 titan blood for 200 gemstones turn in? I’m still mainly early game, just unlocked all weapons 🙂 ty in advance
umbral flame
i wouldnt, gemstones are a lot easier once you get a little further, but blood is something youll always need more of
stoic goblet
Okay! Thanks for the advice!
near sail
I managed to get a STEAL where I got like 200 gemstones for 50 darkness
stoic goblet
I’m still targeting keys to fully flesh out the mirror, so my gemstone count is mad low
50 drk for 200 GS is huge tho
near sail
The best deal I ever had
I was dumb too before getting more unlocks cause I was like "ooo shiny thing must buy"
then I was several diamonds short of getting stuff
potent merlin
@viral elk My first clear didn’t happen until attempt 44. 
viral elk
Oh. Well, if I can't do it in next 3 tries, you're better than me
potent merlin
Haha I’m not sure it works that way, but best of luck
near sail
I don't wanna flex but I was like
run...25-26?
I suck a lot still fighting the heroes in the 3rd realm
neat epoch
it all depends on the buffs you get during the first run you clear
sick anchor
what's the best weapon to clear with for begginers?
flint eagle
shield imo
sick anchor
I thought that gun thingy would be but it ended up being one of my worst runs actuaaly
I LOVE the shield
If a weapon had that black fog around it for the blood upgrade, but it's not a weapon you wish to upgrade, can you ignore it and have it respawn on aother weapon or must you use it?
Nevermind, it goes by the weapon you select!
flint eagle
there may be dark thirst on some weapons
sick anchor
The dark thirst will change to any weapon you select actually.
sick anchor
well perhaps it's on the first blood allocation, but it allowed me to switch just now.
flint eagle
?
sick anchor
sorry is the dark thirst when you can allocate blood to make a weapon stronger?
flint eagle
dark thirst is bonus
when u get more darkness
with that weapon
for that run
i mean before every run game says if u want more darkness - take that weapon
you can see some purple clouds around the weapon
sick anchor
yea, so when those clouds first appeared, they changed to any weapon I selected, so as I said, my guess is that's on the initial use only.
the rest are random akin to the bonus for purple stuff pre run on 1 weapon
flint eagle
what means initial use
sick anchor
the very first time = initial use
potent merlin
Hero you’re not thinking of the red effects that appear in place of the weapon you have equipped?
sick anchor
nope
potent merlin
Hm well I probably didn’t pay enough attention. Maybe it does move around the first time you get it? Otherwise, it hops to another random weapon after each attempt.
sick anchor
yea I was surpried when it moved (pleasantly)
flint eagle
@potent merlin dark thirst?
potent merlin
Yep
flint eagle
yes it always random
sick anchor
ok, we are talkign about different things, I stand corrected
Dark Thirst buff is always random, I was talking about the blood buff
aspect
flint eagle
blood buff?
potent merlin
It’s not a buff. They’re just referring to the red/black effects in place of the weapon
flint eagle
in older version it was some light purple sphere
mb it means u can spend blood for this
this guy Alris still typing?
yup he does
potent merlin
Haha 😂
boreal gale
how on earth do you beat the third boss?
One attack requires you to move another whilst another requires you to stay still and move at the last second and they're frequently going off together.
It doesn't seem to matter what I do, what combination of boons I come to that encounter with it just seems to have too much health compared to how much damage I can hit with. I'd been making slow but reasonable progress until this but I've been at it for hours and I feel no closer to beating it than when I first got to it and it's just becoming frustrating like it's a brick wall I'm just beating my head against.
umbral flame
oof
foggy zephyr
kill the bull first while hiding behind pillars, watch out for Theseus's spear throw with his audio que
umbral flame
yeah, pillars are useful for blocking the spear
boreal gale
i cant get the bull below half health, i've had a run where i even manage to kill theseus but the bull has just thousands and thousands of hp
restive dirge
If I have flood shot (cast + knock back) and the ares/poseidon duo that turns it into a pulse cast, does it still have knock back properties?
foggy zephyr
apparently no
it also loses boons related to knockback as well like razor shoal, double wave, sea storm
flint eagle
@boreal gale my usual tactic for melee weapon - stay close cus his jumps have a great distance and if u close he will jump away from you and stay always behind him
boreal gale
my last run i even had both Doom and homing projectile on attack hit and i wasnt even close
foggy zephyr
it just does a lot of damage
restive dirge
@foggy zephyr okay, cause I'm considering to sell sea storm now
That's exactly what I was wondering
Ty
@boreal gale whenever bull is jumping, it's usually easy to time dash-strikes or just dodge/hits
Well you get used to it
flint eagle
@boreal gale also dont forget Athena dash can carry anything
foggy zephyr
the duo is probably the toughest fight if you aren't prepared and are inexperienced
boreal gale
the whole fight feel like such a difficulty Spike compared to everything else before it.
flint eagle
omg this little thing in stix is something horrible
restive dirge
It's definitely a step up. I was consistently dying at that fight till I got a handle on bull
potent merlin
lol
restive dirge
@flint eagle flipping terrifying. Fought it once and noooooope'd out of ever fighting it again
Obv I said a swear instead of flipping lol
potent merlin
Also please try to spoil tag some of these boss specifics
flint eagle
@boreal gale what weapon do u use
boreal gale
which ever one is the random pick i'm pretty consistant at getting there no matter what
flint eagle
well
try more with shield
charging bull rush can block everithing
u wait with it when bull ends his combo
and beat his back after that
potent merlin
Is there anything that can get through bull rush? From the front of course
leaden whale
is the gun good
boreal gale
which is whats frustrating i've tried multiple different strategies and styles because of that and the bull just has so much health.
flint eagle
@leaden whale all weapon good in proper using
leaden whale
ok
boreal gale
the run i managed to kill ||theseus|| was shield but ||bull|| was still half health when i died
flint eagle
@boreal gale u need to learn their patterns and tactics
potent merlin
I think it’s generally considered best to ||kill Asterius first|| @boreal gale
boreal gale
@potent merlin it wasnt like i was actively trying to i was just taking the shots that were open to me and he died first
potent merlin
||Have you fought Asterius solo?||
boreal gale
twice the first time i barely scraped it with a sliver of health after starting on nearly full the second i just got shredded
potent merlin
Well, something to consider: ||Asterius will have slightly reduced HP in the boss fight if you’ve beaten him solo during that run.||
flint eagle
@potent merlin ||ur hp may be even more reduced after soloing him||
potent merlin
Yeah that’s fair, but no telling what your state may be before the boss fight
boreal gale
im pretty consistant at getting there with about half health with all my revives intact
potent merlin
I think that fight truly teaches you how important it is to ||MOVE||
boreal gale
liike everything up to there is largely routine
odd forge
Not just ||moving|| but also ||positioning and dashing in particular||
potent merlin
And one day that will also be routine 
boreal gale
moving isnt the problem its that i have to pause to actually hit thats the problem
everytime i stop moving i get hit
but i cant just dash forever because i need to kill them
odd forge
So, there's pause spots that ||both bosses have in between their attack animations||.
(And there are dashes that you can be offensive with, if you want to do it that way, although I find I still get hit every so often, because you don't always have i-frames)
It is definitely a big step up in difficulty from bosses 1 and 2 though, I agree
potent merlin
Well ||don’t move for the sake of moving. Learn patterns and predict/react. If you can’t dash to avoid, then you probably just wasted a dash. ||
flint eagle
Can i combine zeus/dio and dem/dio duos?
potent merlin
Spamming dash can very easily become a death sentence.
odd forge
[And given that I lost to boss 3 just about 30 minutes ago, at literally the last second, I am not going to call it trivial]
Spamming dash is what kills me in asphodel, to be honest.
boreal gale
i need to go do something else go back to it tomorrow cause i'm just ready the throw the controller through the screen
potent merlin
Recently ||Theseus|| and I simultaneously killed one another. I cheated a little with the DD in my back pocket
Ah yeah for sure time for a break Alris. No need to let it ruin the fun
boreal gale
like 8 hours ive been beating my head against boss 3
flint eagle
@boreal gale look at this like at learning and farming resources
odd forge
Can i combine zeus/dio and dem/dio duos?
@flint eagle I think that will work, I've had stacked effects from duos before, I think.
flint eagle
some duos cant be combined
odd forge
I know, but I think the stacky ones which just stack status effects tend to?
boreal gale
@flint eagle 8 hours and not even feeling like i'm any closer has just killed all the fun in it for me right now
odd forge
I can't remember how many hours it took me to get from boss 3 first encounter to beating them
flint eagle
@boreal gale if u r really desperate - try god mode)
odd forge
Probably > 10 though, to be fair
boreal gale
this morning i was asking for advice on meg cause i just wasn't consistent but she was beatableii'd done it just not reliable and she felt like i was just missing something. boss 3 just feels impossible because I don't even feel like I'm any closer than 8 hours ago
odd forge
So, I think the key with Boss 3 is to ||pick which one you're going to deal with first||. I tend to take out ||Asterius first, because he's big and beefy and runs after you a lot so it gets him off your tail, and you can just make sure you have a pillar between you and Theseus while you do it||. You just need to learn the timing on the attacks, there's a pause after every "burst" of them, which you can get hits in on [and depending on if you do a cast or ranged build, of course you can be damaging them whilst the attack is happening if you keep distance].
tidal tiger
I tend to take out ||Asterius first as well, because it's really hard to deal with him and Thesius's rage state at the same time||
odd forge
Yeah, too many things to dodge at once.
gilded merlin
What does EM4 stand for?
versed dune
spoilers
umbral flame
its a ||heat|| setting
versed dune
is what it stands for
gilded merlin
ohhh @umbral flame gotcha
pastel cipher
The EM4 part must silent then 
lost mulch
Baba.
cosmic willow
does crit chance stack?
flint eagle
y
hollow basin
omg 22 failed runs and then i clear two runs in quick succession 🥺 finally
hollow basin
Thank you!!! 🥺
pulsar frigate
does crit chance stack?
yes
long moss
how do various damage reductions stack? are they all multiplicative?
like weak + mirror cast + myrmidon bracer keepsake + -10% damage reduction boon
pastel cipher
They might stack, not 100% sure on that though
long moss
i'd be surprised if they silently did not stack, for a game of this quality
question is whether they stack additively or multiplicatively
pastel cipher
The only things that I know are multiplicative are Crit damage and effectively Dodge (dodge isn't exactly multiplicative but with how it works it's easier to just say it's multiplicative)
long moss
sounds broken then if I can stack DR down to close to 0%
weak + bracelet is -60% alone
long moss
exactly, if it's additive then you'd get to 0%
hollow yarrow
||artur|| special
long moss
do people casually talk about builds with immunity to damage?
flint eagle
i do not think it's a thing
pastel cipher
Not really, things can't hurt you when they ded
sick anchor
I have a zeus and a ares symbol above a door, what does that mean? Am I going to have to pick one or the other in that room, or combine?
long moss
pick one, fight other, get second too
long moss
okay so if 0 damage builds aren't a thing then the DRs all probably stack multiplicatively
sick anchor
ok
pastel cipher
You get both at the end yeah
flint eagle
it's hard yeah
sick anchor
this is the farthest Ive gotten
pastel cipher
It's worth, it's just hard
sick anchor
ok
long moss
it'll be like a nromal room, plus some annoying crap the god throws at you (like random aoes and stuff)
leaden whale
How do I get better at this game? I need some advice
long moss
deliberately pay attention to what enemies can do, what sounds they make, what animations lead up to their attacks
flint eagle
combine boons
harsh leaf
Turn on god mode while you figure things out if you need to
flint eagle
gl with that
scarlet moat
Anyone know for sure if blood frenzy (15% damage after death defiance) stacks?
pastel cipher
No it doesn't stack from memory
long moss
wish I could see my final paper damage and stuff so I could make better boon decisions
scarlet moat
First time getting to styx, can I clear all 5 wings if I wish?
Am I just supposed to get the thing and get out when I want to?
pulsar frigate
yes to both
the sack will randomly be in any tunnel between 2-5, you can move on after you get it or keep going in for more rewards
however, the fountain will only ever appear once, so be careful
scarlet moat
You mean I have to clear minimum of 2 wings for the sack?
And what fountain you talking about
pulsar frigate
the thing you're searching for will never be in the first tunnel, and has a random chance of appearing when you reach the end of any subsequent tunnels
the room with the thing ||also has a fountain to heal up||
pulsar frigate
the main gimmick of styx is poison
when you get poisoned (by enemies or traps), you need to find cure wells in the room to cure yourself
versed dune
it'll stack up to 5 times as well, but just one stack will still tank your hp
pulsar frigate
they're yellow (and will be glowing when you get poisoned), it's important to start memorizing these cure locations
scarlet moat
Hmm I'm running twin fists and have a lot of damage reduction which I'm assuming wont help me here then
versed dune
focus down ||Satyrs|| asap cause they have the most poison potential
cosmic willow
does lightning strike work with double strike
versed dune
Chain-Lightning and Lightning Bolts are two different effects, so no
Double Strike affects Thunder Dash, Thunder Flourish, and Zeus' Aid
hollow yarrow
And Sea storm
pulsar frigate
the boon you want is storm lightning
cosmic willow
oh sorry i mean lightning rod, does that work with double strike
pulsar frigate
yes
cosmic willow
nice thanks
long moss
is there a log of my runs somewher?
versed dune
you have to unlock ||administrative access||, there are records in there
leaden whale
Gotten to Redacted twice and died at basically the same point. People are right, ||those adds|| make that fight 100x harder lol
long moss
how do I spend more heat to be able to get a bounty with the sword again?
does that not get unlocked until later?
candid nimbus
Gotta beat final boss then can do
winged gate
note: ||heat is spoiler here||
pulsar frigate
i'm iffy on that since new players can play on hell mode
candid nimbus
Bounties are gained by: ||increasing the heat. Any clear of high heats will give you bounties of the next lowest uncompleted. So if you start heat 10, it'll do heat 1, do heat 10 again it'll do heat 2 bounties, etc.||
It confuses most new players though
long moss
haha not sure if I should be clicking those spoilers or not. I have escaped successfully a few times now. Should I "just keep playing"?
candid nimbus
You can click mine if you have already beat redacted
long moss
I have beat ||hades||
atomic pond
i just unlocked all weapons and the aspect system, but I have no idea what aspect to start with
are there any specific ones better for beginners?
long moss
the first shield one and the second glove one seem really good from my also beginner experience
candid nimbus
Zag aspects are pretty solid for low titan blood commitment
If you want to test aspects without committing titan blood:
Go to courtyard, spend the blood, DO NOT GO INTO BEDROOM. Go on a run to test, then either altf4 before death or Give up to revert save back to courtyard save. No blood spent/committed. That run never existed so you can try things out before saving/committing
Just don't die or clear
atomic pond
oh dang, thanks! I had no idea that was possible
candid nimbus
Give up is an interesting feature
umbral flame
i use it when i forget to swap out keepsakes, lol
muted latch
yup lol same
leaden whale
Quick Q: In the last area, is there any way to tell ||which of the doors leads to the sack||? I'm assuming no, but simply wondering
sullen pier
idk if this is the right spot, but on the wiki thing that you get, is there anyway to see what the item does?
candid nimbus
Nothing tells us where sack is, it's just never the first room
winged gate
I think I actually had a run once where I got it first try
although I'm not sure if I can believe myself
pulsar frigate
that should be impossible
winged gate
oh, then it must have been the second try
leaden whale
The rooms go by quick enough that it's not a big deal. The ||poison status|| is more manageable than I expected, given how some people complain a lot about it
pulsar frigate
apparently it should be a 50% chance every tunnel, starting with the 2nd
winged gate
I remember being so excited because I never find the sack until like the fifth room or so
leaden whale
Just a matter of "locate the fountain ASAP and remember it"
sullen pier
is there anyway for the codex to tell you what the artifacts do instead of just a description?
sullen pier
lame, so I just have to remember
candid nimbus
Keepsake details can be found in the keepsake cabinet
winged gate
what artifacts?
candid nimbus
And you can check what it does in a run with B if on kbm
sullen pier
I mean the things you grab, like centaur heart and stuff
thats on the artifacts section of the codex
winged gate
lemme check
candid nimbus
Oh those, they should tell you before you pickup, but hmm
winged gate
I have a new file going
leaden whale
I did get a kick out of the ||tiny vermin|| boss. I was like "oh no, he found his way out of Gungeon"
candid nimbus
That's a +1 level to boon, I guess it isn't said anywhere other than picking one up
winged gate
oh yeah, that.. I think the functionalities of artifacts that will affect your states per-run is straightforward enough that you don't need a permanent guide
sullen pier
apparently there's a wiki online, so I'll use that whenever i dont remember
yeah but until I learn, it's faster to google it and I'll remember for next time, probs
winged gate
although I wish they'd give a similar functionality to hammer
candid nimbus
Yeah, I don't think there are too many items that don't tell you what they do during a run if you pickup
Never realized that one was never mentioned anywhere hmmm
sullen pier
also, does giving more than one nectar to someone do anything?
leaden whale
It didn't take me very long to memorize what every item does. I even know the olympian symbols very easily. I think it took me about 10-12 hours to establish a memory for all of it
candid nimbus
It can do some interesting things, highly recommend
winged gate
They added the boons list with tab, I'd expect the same with hammers... but well
sullen pier
yeah but I just wanted to know so I can pick what path to go to
winged gate
also, does giving more than one nectar to someone do anything?
yup, in the long run
they give you some big things that will help you in the later games, and also most of them have their own storylines in one way or another
leaden whale
Gift everyone once for their keepsake and then gift at your own discretion
it's how I'm doing it
sullen pier
ok, thanks
leaden whale
also a good tip: Tap the codex button when in front of an NPC and it'll shortcut straight to their page
so you can check if you've gifted already
long moss
best feature
leaden whale
yeah I was pleasantly surprised by that. just another thing I love about the game, small QoL things like that
long moss
it's funny how super polished and excellent the game is, it makes even the tiniest weirdness really jarring
winged gate
You can really tell that the devs tried the game and went "ooh, that'd be nice"
leaden whale
I've only run into a single bug so far. Dusa did her "zooming away" thing from Meg and yet their whispered conversation kept going
long moss
sometimes when I get hit there's like... a brown square tablet icon that flashes briefly near my character, what is that?
can't really describe it better it's so fast
pulsar frigate
do you have the myrmidon bracer on?
long moss
yes
pulsar frigate
that's the symbol for your keepsake activating, i believe
long moss
hmm, is it me getting backstabbed?
muted latch
exactly
long moss
or is that just going to show up every time I get hit
muted latch
both
pulsar frigate
i'm pretty sure it's the damage resistance working?
i haven't used the bracer in a long time
muted latch
means you are getting its benefits of damage reduction from the front
not entirely sure of the backstab debuff
long moss
ok cool
I love Special builds because it's harder to accidentally dash-stab and lose iframes
I wish there were a dedicated "dodge only no matter what" key
maiden narwhal
So I have given Charon 6 gifts, and now the next gift I give him has a key lock on it
candid nimbus
Gotta do RNG dialogue or a favour
maiden narwhal
What?
candid nimbus
Gotta just keep talking to 'em
maiden narwhal
Hoping he will just take me to the entrance
And what do the diamonds and ambrosia do ?
muted latch
Diamonds for house contractor
Ambrosia you'll know a bit later
Achilles will comment on it once you have one
leaden whale
I tend to get pretty far with builds emphasizing the special, though I'm gonna try to work in more attack and cast builds for a while
Attack builds get me in the most trouble because I get greedy and dash away too late from the enemy's counter
candid nimbus
Happens, just gotta get used to it
leaden whale
I'm getting much better at the game as I go. Boss witch rooms no longer decimate me, minibosses that used to trash me are now a joke, I make better decisions with boons, etc
Feels good man
candid nimbus
Good 'ol roguelite
leaden whale
The one thing that repeatedly ruins my life is when I offend Aphrodite. That freaking heart missile is the bane of my existence
So that reaction triggers me lmao
leaden whale
pick aphrodite IMO, she has the strongest rage boon so best no to take that damage
It seems so easy to avoid, yet it gets lost in the chaos and goes "peekaboo" right up my bum
candid nimbus
I pick whoever, I actually think dashing towards it works better than avoiding it lol
tender tendon
I actually prefer to not pick aphrodite because im better at dodging her heart missile lol
leaden whale
The fact that a slow moving heart missile is better at hitting me than Asterius's charge
I bring shame upon the house
tender tendon
^
candid nimbus
Although Asterius is my DD sink
leaden whale
Really? I find Theseus to be much more dangerous. I hate that piece of olympian trash
harsh leaf
Asterius is the easy part, the hard part is not getting speared in the rear meanwhile
jolly quartz
Kinda bummed that I seem to have reached the point where the dialogue is dying down a fair bit. Though suppose it had to happen eventually.
leaden whale
how many clears do you have?
jolly quartz
Clears as in win or runs total?
leaden whale
wins
jolly quartz
Oh no clue lol. I'd say around 20-30 maybe.
leaden whale
Dang
pulsar frigate
you're not much of a new player anymore are ya 😛
jolly quartz
Suppose not lol.
leaden whale
It will be kinda bittersweet once the dialogue runs out for me. That'll probably be when I consider the game "finished"
jolly quartz
I've put in around 60 hours in the past 9 days or so.
long moss
lol yeah aphrodite heart is the easiest thing in the world to avoid but I get hit by it every time
leaden whale
after story just go for the game completion i guess
harsh leaf
I also have twenty somethign clears and boy howdy there is so much more stuff to do and see
long moss
like the snake boss fight, there's no excuse to ever get hit during that boss fight, but sometimes I jsut get flattened it's so embarrassing
harsh leaf
Havent even given the gods more than a single nectar
candid nimbus
There's no excuse? Oh this is awkward...
jolly quartz
I have almost everyone maxed with nectar expect a few olympian gods. With almost all my keepsakes maxed as well.
leaden whale
Hydra is easy unless it's the magic missile spamming version. God, I hate that one. I'd rather have the add spawning one
yo guys, how can i unlock the aspects for the first time? Ive already unlocked every weapon
jolly quartz
Hydra depends for me.
harsh leaf
I have almost everyone maxed with nectar expect a few olympian gods. With almost all my keepsakes maxed as well.
@jolly quartz That seems exceptionally fast for only 60 hours
candid nimbus
Spend keys on all weapons and then go on a run
leaden whale
After unlocking all weapons i only need to go on a run?
candid nimbus
Should be
leaden whale
Aight
muted latch
Hydra is the easiest boss lol
compact holly
Which should I do first, fated authority or persuasion
jolly quartz
Just going off what steam says lol.
muted latch
standard meg is harder than it
long moss
i'm 32 hours in, probably only 1-2 hours of that is fake, I have all but 2 keepsakes, 4 successful escapes, only fed 1 nectar to each person
jolly quartz
Hydra varies depending on which head and friends spawn.
Sometimes it's a cakewalk, other times I get completely lost in the bullet hell lol.
long moss
I could see in another 30 hours maxing most of the keepsakes and handing out nectar like candy, but maybe the nectar would be tedious
leaden whale
So far I'd say the absolute hardest boss for me is Tisiphone. She is an absolute nightmare. Really cool, though
Thankfully I don't get her often
long moss
which one is she?
jolly quartz
Murder.
leaden whale
The "Murder" one
muted latch
Tisiphone is tricky for her forward dash
jolly quartz
I find her the easiest.
muted latch
she is otherwise easy
leaden whale
I find Alecto to be a slightly trickier Meg, but Tisi is like a totally different fight
so I'm unused to it
muted latch
Alecto is pretty hard
tender tendon
^
muted latch
especially on a bow
jolly quartz
Meg is probably the hardest one for me now. Used to be Alecto for awhile.
tender tendon
The spinning blades man
muted latch
the perma rage phase means you cant afford to stay
but first two bosses are in general not too tough
leaden whale
Meg herself is a joke, imo. Nothing she does is remotely challenging anymore lol
tender tendon
Imo meg has the easiest attack pattern
jolly quartz
You play with ||Extreme Measures?||
tender tendon
But whether u can dodge in time is another story
leaden whale
I think my main problem with Tisiphone is that I rarely get her and thus get very little practice in. Meg I know like the back of my hand, Alecto is a Meg that is actually dangerous
candid nimbus
Yeah game comes down to practice
muted latch
yeah Alecto is very unpredictable
for meg you can just do the simple "get a hits in and get out"
pulsar frigate
tisiphone is the most formulaic for me, imo
muted latch
or just kite her to death with ranged doom attacks
pulsar frigate
but i get her way too often, so
muted latch
tisiphone just has a very small arena so it's harder to avoid her attacks
jolly quartz
I actually rarely get meg anymore. It usually just goes back and forth between the other two.
candid nimbus
I have to eat attacks to learn, even then my thick skull doesn't work 
muted latch
but if you dont lose much HP on the way to them you should be f ine
leaden whale
I wonder how the game decides which Fury you get, or if it's pure RNG. I was wondering if maybe it was tied to how good you were playing. Like if you're shredding Tartarus, you get one of the tougher sisters
candid nimbus
Thought just RNG. I like Alecto's dialogue the best however
tender tendon
Should be rng
pulsar frigate
it's rng
muted latch
my fastest Tartarus run was 5 min or so and I got meg
pulsar frigate
you can Give Up and come back to a different fury
jolly quartz
I'd imagine rng as well. As difficulty is subjective.
leaden whale
It'd be neat if it went by player efficiency through the dungeon, though. Kinda like RE4's dynamic difficulty lol
harsh leaf
That's not really in the spirit of roguelikes and lites
Though I do like how Slay the Spire does it in that you can see what boss you're gonna get for each segment. Though in that game, the bosses are substantially different enough to require completely different strategies
leaden whale
Oh god, I am awful at Spire. Playing that game makes me feel like a loser lol
It's a really fun game, though. It strangely reminds me of those old Newgrounds flash RPGs, just with a much higher budget
jolly quartz
I used to like it. But eventually realized the game punishes you got going for an arch type. Which kinda killed the enjoyment of it since it's a card based game.
Monster Train looks more up my alley from what I've seen on it.
long moss
gloomhaven up your alley?
jolly quartz
Side track aside, lava hydra main head is the worst. For me anyway.
Talking the digital one I'd imagine?
long moss
any variant of gloomhaven 🙂 it's a deck building tactical game (among many other things)
jolly quartz
It looks neat. But not really a fan of legacy board games. So if I did get it it'd be when the digital one is fully completed.
Probably why I have so much issue with the lava one. Spear is one of my least used weapons.
long moss
i hate the lava one just because of the ground being on fire everywhere, i hate that style of fight
jolly quartz
Lava with wave side heads, ugh lol.
leaden whale
asphodel is my least favorite area specifically because of the floor lava
leaden whale
I think my two favorite zones are Tartarus and Styx. Elysium depends on my build and the encounters. Some of them are downright sadistic unless your DPS is amazing
long moss
i hate the shield guys
jolly quartz
I hate ||Styx|| lol. But Elysium is definitely where your build is tested.
winged gate
Blocked!
leaden whale
Oh, that zone's a spoiler?
rugged inlet
The worst part of asphodel isn't even lava, it's the enemies that keep jumping around all over the place that you have to chase 
versed dune
Lava >>>>> Poison anyday
pulsar frigate
not really, final boss onwards is spoilers
versed dune
poison is so anti-fun
jolly quartz
Yep lol. Had a run earlier where one guy was left and hopped back and forth for a good two minutes before I could break his armor and stagger him.
winged gate
and then accidentaly dashing too fast so you end up plunking in lava
calm pecan
Yeah I hate the poison lol
versed dune
in the "new player channel" i'd say ||Styx|| is probably spoilers
pulsar frigate
i mean, there's a pin about it so
leaden whale
I actually enjoy the poison mechanic. The fights are brief and locating the fountain in each area to use keeps things interesting
versed dune
i mean, there's a pin about it so
i just mean courtesy wise
since its past the first main difficulty wall of the game
leaden whale
And I find the poison easy to avoid for the most part, with one enemy being an exception
I won't mention the zone's enemies cause they're a cool surprise
versed dune
i wouldn't call any of the enemies in that area "brief fights"
also the fact that stunning a rat doesn't stop it from spraying poison around
leaden whale
Well two of them basically just sit there and let you wail on them until they're dead
How can i reveal the last aspect? Do i need to beat the final boss??
versed dune
brazen sentinel
brUh
versed dune
can you not spoil the final boss in the new player channel
leaden whale
better?
versed dune
ye
leaden whale
my bad
versed dune
most of the time when talking about him we just call him redacted cause its easier than putting ||s
leaden whale
ok ok mb
even though the last boss of this game is about as surprising as fighting Ganon at the end of a zelda game lol
but yeah anyways, how can i reveal the final aspect
pastel cipher
ganon's the final boss 😱
woeful ivy
or like fighting bowser at the end of mario
pastel cipher
I never knew /s
woeful ivy
@leaden whale depends on the weapon.
winged gate
||achilles tells you something at a certain point||
versed dune
@leaden whale check pins in #h1-story-discussion for info on ||fourth aspects||
winged gate
I hope we can fight against zelda as the secret super hidden final final bossé in the coming botw sequel
leaden whale
dark link and dark zelda tag team you
long moss
is it the case that I can just add 1|| heat and be at 6 heat, and get another set of trophies from bosses?||
muted latch
rail + zeus is ridiculous I love it
got a sub 5 min tartarus and 10 min tartarus + asphodel
@long moss ||you get a new set of bounties for every single max heat||
winged gate
also, ||heat|| is spoiler here please
muted latch
yup forgot that
long moss
how can that be a spoiler? you must go through learning about it before even your first run