h1-for-new-players

[charred kayak]

you can use Ares on it though

[crisp bronze]

100% deserved

[charred kayak]

hell yeah

[crisp bronze]

Alecto deserves all the warcrimes

crunchy

[arctic gulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1489745892142747739/1490306458955415682/678479bc-2b2e-46ba-bffe-93eaac011ad8.png?ex=69d3938c&is=69d2420c&hm=c240e84d94e8fdd76803550227487387fc7856f563400da58e396ed063fb03f0&

I DONT wanna fight cerberus 😭

[crisp bronze]

don't worry, you'll beat him easily

[arctic gulch]

I died 2 minutes later because i didnt see the poison 😭

[crisp bronze]

I'm not gonna spoil anything, but you'll love what happens when you get past Cerby

[arctic gulch]

I cant wait to watch it

[high stump]

wait what's the best aspect for varatha

its achilles right

[sterile solar]

I like hades

[fresh bridge]

achilles is the best correct

[high stump]

i hate fishin

[gleaming viper]

It’s annoying 💔

[gleaming viper]

Hades is my go-to usually.

[high stump]

imo i think i prefer zags

[gleaming viper]

Does zags have any special effects? I cannot remember off the top of my head

[high stump]

just like all round stats

right

[fresh bridge]

zag spear is increased special damage, all the zag aspects have some sort of very mundane stat up, sword being move and attack speed, spear being special damage, shield being base power for the dash strike, bow being crit chance, fist being dodge chance, and rail being extra ammo

[gleaming viper]

Ah okay

[arctic gulch]

Wait, you can go fishin in hades?

[high stump]

yeah for one diamond with contractor

[arctic gulch]

But, what you can get?

[high stump]

idk

[arctic gulch]

A dead fish?

😂

[high stump]

i think its good

zag jokes about dead fish lol

[languid elbow]

is nemesis the best aspect for sword?

[somber frigate]

Yeah

For speed and heat

[ripe fjord]

Is there any kind of logic to what shows up at the purging well? I always thought it was random.

[somber frigate]

pure rng

[sweet brook]

always 1 healing item on top, after that random

[fresh bridge]

this is for purging not charon but ye that is true

[ripe fjord]

Thank you

[sweet brook]

oh how did i misread it so bad lmfao

yeah

[gleaming viper]

Meh it was pretty similar to me lol

[high stump]

what do i do with ambrosia

[gleaming viper]

Yk the hearts you give to th gods and such for keepsakes? You use that to max out the hearts

I don’t remember if it does anything special other than that tho

[high stump]

oh

so basically

100%

but its not useful

in gameplay

[gleaming viper]

You can exchange it for titan blood with the shop dude in the house of hades

[high stump]

i was gonna

is that it

[gleaming viper]

That I can think of yeah

[versed quail]

most important use for it later on is just upgrading companion keepsakes (certain relationships give you a companion instead of just a keepsake)

Meg's especially is the most impactful for speeds and just general use

getting to the point of unlocking them will need ambrosia i believe but upgrading the companion itself uses ambrosia too

[high stump]

ok

[dense glen]

Just making sure but does hermes not have any status effect or weapon enchancement boons and instead just gives general buffs?

[arctic gulch]

Why don't I sometimes get Titan blood when I defeat Meg or her sisters?

[versed blade]

You only get it one time per weapon at a given heat level

[arctic gulch]

Ohh i see

Thx

[violet bolt]

What boons work for low level Chiron special

I'm getting terrible luck and rolling other high rarity boons with common dio special

[cedar delta]

May just want to focus on the regular attack, honestly

[violet bolt]

😭 yeah lowkey my next special boon has to be epic+ I got the dio+Poseidon duo

[dusty vault]

Rarity is not as big as just feeding it a ton of poms

[frigid vine]

Hi, I think I've been making a newbie mistake. I only use my call when the gauge is at maximum (I like the extra scene, I suppose). That is fine vs bosses, but in regular rooms I'll see it get to 80-99% at times and then just empty to zero as I defeat the last enemy on my own, and I get the thought I'm being inefficient by wasting my gauge. Is using the level one call a good way to up my game?

[zenith plume]

i also use my call only on max gauge but im not that knowledgeable on that topic, i only have 110 hours in the game

[fresh bridge]

mini calls are in general more useful than max calls just bc they are more easily spam able and bc all calls grant brief iframes on use meaning you can use it to dodge attacks as well

[somber frigate]

Absolutely

a few calls(zeus and dio, the big damage ones) are just purely more efficient as minicalls and a lot of the time you’re just going to be able to use your call gauge at all by using minicalls

[frigid vine]

Thank you all for the perspective! 👍

[dense glen]

not sure if this needs spoiling ||is there no other way to obtain the materials you get when you first defeat each areas boss with a weapon ie titan blood, diamond and elixir apart from trading or making that big purchase with chiron at the end?||

[midnight apex]

There is

||you need to beat the final boss once to unlock it though||

[dense glen]

||good, i was ready to start sobbing if I had to grind those 1.2k coins for titans blood since even that seems easier than some of the trades||

[midnight apex]

HAH no lol, the game ain’t that bad

[hearty quiver]

Hey everyone should I get hades 1 for 6 bucks on psn right now like is it worth picking up and playing before hades 2 comes out on the April 14th

[short pelican]

Guys for some reason in begining of the game I did not gave any nectar to megera but I was giving to thanatos . Later I started giving nectars to megera but she doesnt give me the small trophy thing Im at attempt 110 or something is this normal. Btw I did notvget into intercourse both with megera or thanatos so game buged or something?

[median sphinx]

yeah of course, the playing experience of the two games are different

[median sphinx]

if you check your book, you can track the progress of gifting
has the heart with the ribbon been filled yet?

[sterile solar]

both games are great

[short pelican]

She came to my room and said you make everything go hell and left there was no intercpurse lol

Is It because I gave nectars to thanatos first

[median sphinx]

it doesn't matter

honestly you should check your codex

[sterile solar]

no

[naive plank]

For tge mission about using different pact of punishment is it defeating hades or just making it outside?

[analog radish]

999358269422321774

i was gonna ask how you make it outside without doing that but i realised

im sure the condition is just clearing a run, and you have to make it outside for the game to save that you did it

[naive plank]

Ok thanks. Im trying to 100% this game but didnt realize how much there is to do 😅🤣

[naive plank]

Whats you guys favorite set up for guan yu

[crisp bronze]

I like poseidon and zeus with duo on my spear

[wraith crane]

Is there any other way to get Titan Blood now? ||It doesn't drop in Chapter 1 anymore.||

[naive plank]

You get them from defeating bosses with different weapons/heat/fishing

[fresh bridge]

or from broker trades

[wraith crane]

I didn't see it there because I can't access it right now, which is why I was wondering

[wraith crane]

How does fishing work?

[naive plank]

You aim to get a stonewahl or sturgeon. Either them get blood as chance

But doing heat and bosses is goin to be better.

[wraith crane]

Now I can't get anything to drop from bosses with any weapon; for example, I can only get it if I defeat them with the same weapon three times.

[naive plank]

Once you defeat a boss with weapon a. You cant get another titan blood with said boss unless increase heat using said weapon

[wraith crane]

I haven't even finished the game once yet, but it's totally

3. I'm stuck on the third level

[naive plank]

Once you do something gets unlocked. To make getting it better.

It took me while at first but after you beat the game once its so much easier for future runs

[charred torrent]

Uhhhh I just finished my first heat level

||when can I get the plushes that allow me to summon a friend||

[sterile solar]

||once you do the favor of certain characters, you can gift them ambrosia for it||

[nimble pike]

Yo I need like tips for ||FIGHTING HADES|| I was able to get past his first form but I died cuz all my Death Defiance was gone and I was low on hp

[tribal shell]

what weapon were you using?I have to say, my success rate against [redacted] is extremely high with ranged weapons. But not so great with the fists or sword. I often find if I don't make it to [redacted] with really good health/damage negation and all my death defiance, I lose. Maybe I am just bad though

[nimble pike]

I use the shield

[tribal shell]

ah I don't use the shield much.

I did only one run with the sheild so far and won,but I felt it was because I ended up with an extremely strong build by chance

checking my records, it seems I had charged shot + minotaur rush

[versed blade]

Block

You can play very safe on shield at low heat

[zenith plume]

isn't forced overtime good for speedrunning since the spawn time of foes is a bit faster?

[fresh bridge]

yes

[crisp bronze]

yeah, but for new players it can be a bit of a challenge

[desert oracle]

is there a way to highten your chances for Duo boons? just curious. i had a really good Dio and Ares build got curse of nursa then got Aphro for low tolience and just didn't get it.

[analog radish]

There is a mirror upgrade

[arctic gulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1489745892142747739/1492449028741398528/6e37d80a-97c9-44af-8ec0-77f478ba7d2a.png?ex=69db5ef8&is=69da0d78&hm=c58712f0e0d991ee06e602e8871aa1d750bd3ee1f6ab0867aa92f0accd3f7884&

YESSSS

I MADE IT

[sterile solar]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-does-he-know-gif-26833694

[arctic gulch]

Bro

I died to Hades

😭

[hot fossil]

yall just getting ||persephone down in the underworld|| its spoilers for finishing the true ending if you dont know it yet

well i did it yesterday

[hybrid adder]

Anyone know how duo boons work?
on the wiki it says i need these prequisites to get hunting blades

Ares: Slicing Shot
Artemis: Deadly Strike, Deadly Flourish, Hunter Dash or Artemis' Aid

but i was able hunting blades while only having slicing shot and deadly strike

[shut hill]

Yeah it says or

Any of the four

[hybrid adder]

my bad i thought i needed deadly strike and flourish then either one of the dash or aid

[somber frigate]

The base odds are 12% per option rolled (aside from priority boons), and then you can increase that % per option rolled by 10% with God’s Legacy on the mirror, Chaos Favour boons, the Yarn of Ariadne and Refreshing Nectar from Eurydice

[shut hill]

There are duos with more than 2 prerequisites though

Or actually it might just be the one, Vengeful Mood

There are more in H2

[somber frigate]

Core boons (strike/special/cast/dash) will take 1 slot as priority if any of them are open, it’ll force 1 boon option to be one of those unfilled slots. Also, status curse boons (static discharge, razor shoals, hunter’s mark, and blinding flash) have a 50% chance to take a priority slot.
So filling your cores and taking status curse boons maximises your duo odds by reducing the amount of options that are hijacked and can never be duo boons

[somber frigate]

Smouldering Air requires a Call as well as the zeus and aphrodite boons

You could get away with just zeus call and have it be 2 but otherwise you’re going to need 3 with any other call

[desert oracle]

yea. thanks

only curious for the fact that my best runs are the trippy shot cast, and ice wine, and the one with Zeus. once i got them both before the first boss, and had to wait till the heros battle when i finally got the last one. and i got the one with Zeus before the Hydra. it's painful. and my hangover damage has the chance to be far more powerful if i can get what i want.

😭

[keen oasis]

gonna cryyyyyyyy

i had serrated point, two chaos lunges, hunter dash, and demeter attack/aphrodite special for the extra 40% damage

and i whiffed on the old man

if extending jab affected dash strikes as well as regular attacks i would have cleared easy

[nimble pike]

I BEAT HADES

[midnight apex]

YEAHH

[analog radish]

Hader

[stone garden]

Hader

[simple nimbus]

hey could someone help me out i just reached this new area it took me around 180 hours

its like this cool fire place with boats

[outer flint]

what do you need help with

[simple nimbus]

well you see

ive been playing for a while

and i realized 2 things

i will never stop until i beat this game

and that i suck at it

[outer flint]

in what way?

[simple nimbus]

in a way that it took me 180 hours to get to the next area after tartarus

[outer flint]

do you think you struggle with like, taking too much damage, not dealing enough damage, like is there something specific that you think is holding you back?

[simple nimbus]

i know

its kind of weird actually

so i play a lot of hollow knight

like 112 percent

and its kind of given me this habit in games

to fight one thing at a time

[outer flint]

uh huh

so you isolate the enemies and make everything a 1v1

and in the process you get hit more?

[cedar delta]

Oof. Defensive isn't the way to go; hyperaggro is king

[simple nimbus]

whats hyperaggro

by the way i use nemesis blade

[outer flint]

like rushing the enemies, guns blazing

[simple nimbus]

i heard its good

[outer flint]

nemesis is good

[simple nimbus]

i see

well then

i have an idea

I will mash q m1 and space

ok ill reply and tell you how it went

[outer flint]

for sword i think the combo is like special, dash attack, dash attack and repeat

[simple nimbus]

ok

[outer flint]

just spam dash attacks and use your special to proc the increaed crit chance

focus on always being moving while hitting the enemies

[simple nimbus]

oh ya one more thing

i got this thing that lets me restore 2hp per every hit

[outer flint]

ehhhh

[simple nimbus]

but for some reason now my +25 is +10

whats that about

[outer flint]

The side effect of that hammer is it cuts your max hp gain by like 70% or something

[simple nimbus]

oh

[outer flint]

it's also not very good because a majority of your attacks should be dash attacks, but the +2hp healing only applies when you do a standing attack

[simple nimbus]

is it worth it

[outer flint]

and standing attacks leave you very vulnerable

[simple nimbus]

oh

well no more doing that i guess

[analog radish]

this is why you should run monodash

it has a standing attack in the rotation

[outer flint]

ima be fr, most sword hammers suck

[analog radish]

https://tenor.com/view/tesla-and-einstein-luma-ai-gif-14475294631445060178

[analog radish]

and the one good one is cracked for no reason bruh

[outer flint]

yeah make sure you ahve greater reflex unlocked in the mirror, it grants a 2nd dash, and it's really good cuz you can cover more distance to get away from boss attacks and general enemy swarms

[analog radish]

this is the case with like everything exept rail and bow frankly

[outer flint]

yeah i lowk don't ever use sword

[simple nimbus]

can i ask u something

[outer flint]

(in the name)

[analog radish]

play ff for good sword gameplay

[simple nimbus]

why did i just get a bottle of piss

[outer flint]

necter?

[analog radish]

spiner form that one game

[outer flint]

\

this?

[simple nimbus]

yes

that

[outer flint]

it's a reward you can give to characters

[simple nimbus]

does it do anything

[outer flint]

yes

[simple nimbus]

like?

[outer flint]

when you give it to people, tyhey will give you keepskaes

the keepsakes have effects in game

[simple nimbus]

oh

[outer flint]

personally, I think you should give it to skelly, because his keepsake is an extra death defiance

[analog radish]

try this at home kids

[simple nimbus]

so thats why i got aris blood for giving him piss

i mean nectar

[analog radish]

give piss to ppl for them to be your friend

[analog radish]

eh

[simple nimbus]

🗿

i have lucky tooth

[analog radish]

i would suggest a god keepsake

[simple nimbus]

but i rlly like curse of pain

[outer flint]

nah bro, it's been too long since you've been a new player

the extra 50-100 hp helps way more than the possible control and extra damage

[analog radish]

too cracked

[simple nimbus]

ok

fine ill use the skeletons tooth

hey

some weird eye thing was on the floor and became purple

should i descend

[analog radish]

just play the game bruh

why are we asking for backseat gaming

[simple nimbus]

ok

[somber frigate]

My jaw dropped

[somber frigate]

You’re 180 hours in and haven’t got a nectar before? Are you using the right time units?

[simple nimbus]

I did it

i beat the snake guy

this elysium place is better than i expected

[analog radish]

i think they are jesting about 180h

[simple nimbus]

did you mean joking

[analog radish]

no

[simple nimbus]

then what does jesting mean

[analog radish]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lock-in-gif-12021618010981182913

[simple nimbus]

i kind of get it

fianlly im over 100hp again

i just reached this areas boss

yay

i beat the minatour and that other guy

and got a big bottle of piss

👌

THE FINAL BOSS IS CERBERUS

i cant fight him

k i need to take a break then final boss cerberus

[versed blade]

Yes
they assumed the 180h was a joke

[versed blade]

I don't think so
Their first message was remarking on how they reached a cool new area with lava and boats after 180 hours

[simple nimbus]

guys

its time to fight cerberus

im ready

oh i didnt have to fight him

now i can escape

finally i have won

wait why do i see hades

i didnt even beat first phase

[steady spear]

Is support fire as crazy as i think it is on rail gun?

Like is each bullet going to land a arrow?

[somber frigate]

Yeah

[steady spear]

So between true shot and support fire the answer is always support fire

[somber frigate]

The cooldown for rail strike, lightning strike and support fire are all 0.167s so they’re 1:1

Pretty much

[desert oracle]

so i have ice wine, can i get rid of my demater boon and it still works?

[fresh bridge]

yes

There are pre reqs to get a duo boon, but you dont "lose it" per say if you sell/replace one of the pre reqs. If that duo requires a specific effect from a god like with ice wine with dio cast, then if you sold dio cast you'd "lose" the duo as it couldn't activate

[desert oracle]

thanks that's what i thought

i'm going for all the duos thing for the minor prophacies.

[steady spear]

I got spread fire

Ive been hard stuck in the fourth area

And i think whats killing me is that i dont plan boons correctly

Between posideon and athena for spread fire which is better

[keen oasis]

Well Athena is better but it's probably too late for that lmao

[clear trail]

how to keep a positive outlook on life while playing hades

32 escape attempts I've reached the final boss ONCE and died in the second phase

[keen oasis]

Run Dionysus more he'll give it to you

In all seriousness it takes ~40-50 attempts to get a winning run in my experience, and my best advice is to take each encounter slow and learn attack patterns and behaviors and whatnot

Even if you're not dodging everything you're staying healthier to keep a hold of your defiances for more difficult parts of a run

[leaden whale]

Hades 1 really wants you to find good synergy between the boons and your weapon, if you're struggling this much, you might want to look up some build guides

[clear trail]

I think my biggest issue right now is that I'm not doing enough damage, I prioritise health above everything and that has led me to being quite tanky but doing almost zero damage. I usually equip Athena's or Are's keepsakes since I'm trying to get Merciful End but I have been incredibly unlucky

I'm using the twin fists btw it's the only weapon I've mastered so far

[leaden whale]

for the fists, you want to take ares, zeus or artemis on the attack

if you take Ares, most people would try to go for the Merciful End build, which means you also take Athena special and Athena dash, then get the Merciful End duo boon from either Ares or Athena, it's a very strong build

basically you hold attack to quickly apply a lot of doom, then dash into the enemy to pop it instantly, rinse and repeat

it helps if you can also grab Impending Doom from Ares, but otherwise the build is complete

[clear trail]

I think I've used a mix of Artemis, Athena and Dionysus in my best run so far, but I fear I may not get as lucky again. I got pretty close to beating hades that time I just lost focus at the end and I've been living in regret ever since

thank you for the advice tho

I'll do a few more attempts and see how it goes

[keen oasis]

-# Zeus fists is really strong #h1-victory-boasting message

[leaden whale]

if you like Artemis, you can go for the Heart Rend duo with Aphrodite, it makes critical hits deal more damage, I think it's 4.5x instead of the usual 3x modifier?

[keen oasis]

OH if you're doing Artemis fists then support fire and pressure points is really good

[clear trail]

I haven't gotten Artemis in a good while I directed all my focus on Athena and Ares, but I'll try going for her again just for a change

[leaden whale]

you can force any god with a keepsake

[clear trail]

I also just found out the highest boon rarity is NOT epic

[leaden whale]

you can force one god with a keepsake in region 1, then change the keepsake and get the other one you need in region 2

[clear trail]

this is exactly what I've been doing the last few runs, though I don't have Artemis' keepsake yet so I have to get that first

🧎 many thanks for all the advice. I must put the new knowledge into practice now

[keen oasis]

Good luck soldier

There is (some) escape

[somber frigate]

Tbf you can only get heroic boons from like 3 specific circumstances

[iron dirge]

swapping, upgrading with eurydice, and upgrading with demeter boon im pretty sure

[sterile solar]

I think thats it, yeah

[somber frigate]

Yeah

I meant to actually follow that message up and got side tracked making dinner

[leaden whale]

Eurydice's upgrades can be savescummed, the game doesn't save when you pick her stuff
so I always check rarity first, and if it's meh, then I take the poms instead

[somber frigate]

It can be save-scummed further

Since having bloodstones hit the ground/breaking pots/ summoning your companion all push the rng value by the same constant

You can effectively cycle it for what you want

if you keep reseting

[leaden whale]

yeah sometimes you can throw bloodstones to reset her RNG, but doesn't work all the time, same for the anvil and the hub shop

[somber frigate]

anvil is 100% consistent but eury isn’t

Eury is weird

anvil I’ve never had an issue with in 500 hours

[leaden whale]

also, do you know how to consistently reset the hub shop? sometimes if you go straight for the shop, see the deal, then quit and try again it's a new one, but it's so inconsistent

[somber frigate]

eury I consistently have issues with and you can actually solve the eury issue by spamming companion calls in the split second between picking your option and actually getting it

[somber frigate]

Never ever heard of doing this from anyone in the community

[leaden whale]

anvil saved my game the last time I tried to re-roll it, so now I'm scared lol

[somber frigate]

It only saves if you buy something else or fish

It by default won’t save your game

[leaden whale]

yeah it's something I figured out myself, sometimes you can quit over and over until you get the blood/ambrosia deal, but sometimes you can't

[leaden whale]

does it matter when you buy the anvil, immediately or a few paths later? because it saved when I bought just the anvil, maybe it's because I moved though, should've stayed put

[somber frigate]

as long as you just exit immediately after buying the anvil you should be fine

shouldn’t matter if you buy it the first time you go through or the second

or the third etc

[leaden whale]

and then you throw 1-2 bloodstones and it will reroll, right?

[somber frigate]

as long as a cast-stone hits the ground, it moves the seed over from where it was when you entered the room over by 1 (seed amount)

[leaden whale]

does this work with the regenerating cast

[somber frigate]

so you can continiously exit and re-enter and just throw 1, then 2, then 3 casts

[somber frigate]

No but then you just use the companion summoning instead

since that has the exact same effect

[leaden whale]

but you can't summon if there are no enemies around?

[somber frigate]

doesn’t matter

it still works for shifting the rng value

you can spam it way faster as well

[leaden whale]

huh, so that's why Eurydice stopped re-rolling, I switched to the regenerating cast

[somber frigate]

Eury has some weird jank tbf

anvil I’ve never had problems with ever

eury sometimes a given run just feels like she’s unalter-able pulling every rng manip tool I can think of out of the tool bag

[leaden whale]

oh yeah you can also re-roll the boulder I just remembered

[somber frigate]

Some runs normal stuff doesn’t work but then you can switch to spamming the companion button between when you choose the option and when it actually changes the boons

[somber frigate]

Yep

[leaden whale]

you can sometimes get something good like +4% global damage

[somber frigate]

4% global damage isn’t a thing

Unless you mean you get movespeed and then get rush delivery

[leaden whale]

ah yeah, it's attack or special

[somber frigate]

attack, special or cast

[leaden whale]

also he sometimes gives "ambiguity", what is that? nothing?

[somber frigate]

Optimal way to get damage from bouldy ngl since movespeed is multiplicative you can pull out way more dps than otherwise

Nothing

[leaden whale]

figured as much lol

btw, do you know how to reliably find void fish? I've only fished in a Chaos gate once

[somber frigate]

Just hit perfect catchss

50:50 shot from there

[leaden whale]

I mean, I can't get them to spawn in the first place, I know how fishing works

[somber frigate]

Oh you mean getting fish in chaos at all

not void skates

Either forcing them with well items, or getting huge catch so you ignore the room cooldown fishing normally has

[leaden whale]

is that the poseidon legendary

[somber frigate]

because by default most of the time your chaos probably isn’t even eligible for a fish due to the room cooldown

[somber frigate]

The second one

that doesn’t affect combat at all

Yes

[leaden whale]

I guess I could just try ignoring other fish? if I don't fish, then it won't start the cooldown, right?

[somber frigate]

I don’t know about the room cooldown that in-depth

Try it, sure

[leaden whale]

ok, thanks anyway

[sterile solar]

Pretty sure the cooldown it's on spawn, not fishing

The cooldown is 10 rooms since last spawn except for chaos and ||greece||

[leaden whale]

then that's just mean, I've only had 1 abyss fishing point in 60 runs, and I take Chaos pretty often

[somber frigate]

Just do more runs 😁

Void Skates are so nice easy way to massively boost your darkness gain for Unseen One

[leaden whale]

isn't it just 500 darkness, not that big of a deal

the Greece fish are the most impactful IMO, you get diamond/ambrosia/blood

[somber frigate]

You can easily get a massive surplus of titans blood past what you need

if you’re aiming for Unseen One, darkness is the bottleneck by a long shot

I think by the time I got Unseen One I had like 68 titans blood past everything I could use titans blood for being bought

325K darkness is a lot of darkness

[leaden whale]

what's Unseen One, the max rank with resource director? this is super optional

you need 25k darkness for the chaos skin as well, which is about double what you need for maxing the mirror

[somber frigate]

You need like 38k to max the mirror no?

[leaden whale]

I'm at like 16k and I have everything but the last 2 dice

[somber frigate]

I did preface with my very first message that my comment about it being a very solid source of darkness gains for Unseen One

[somber frigate]

huh

maybe it was only 18k

wait no

are you counting both sides of the mirror

I think the number displayed on the ui is only the amount of darkness your current set-up costs not the total amount in the mirror

[leaden whale]

I don't have the rare/epic boosts maxed, and only have 2 dice in the the final upgrade on both sides

[somber frigate]

checked the wiki it says 35k total between both sides

[leaden whale]

I guess the room re-rolling dice are very expensive

I won't be using those though

[somber frigate]

You can get up to 8 room rerolls tbf

[leaden whale]

yeah but then the gods will give you trash and you can't re-roll

[somber frigate]

Just saying you can buy a lot of them

so that’d naturally increase how much more darkness can go into your mirror

[leaden whale]

anyway, the darkness farming is a bit tedious in this game, because you need to play at 0 heat with chaos/poseidon boons that boost darkness gain

which is very boring

you get all your darkness from 0 heat bosses, and with those boons you can grab like 1.5k per run, maybe 2k

[somber frigate]

Or 10 heat for optimal irl speed

😁

Forced Overtime 2 makes the game a bit more interesting tbf

Extreme Measures 2 makes the lernie fight faster and more dangerous

and Tight Deadline 1 removes survival rooms in tartarus so it’s suboptimal for in-game time speedrun categories but should save you a lot of time here and there

[leaden whale]

I always have EM2 on, EM1 makes Meg appear more often I believe and Lernie is a faceroll anyway

[leaden whale]

huh didn't know about survival rooms, I hope troves are still there though, they give a lot of darkness sometimes

[sterile solar]

Dont think em1 has anything to do with Meg spawn, but yeah em2 is good for speedrunning

[leaden whale]

Meg only appears at the house if you saw her during the run, and with EM1 she can appear as a support for the current fury, soooo

[sterile solar]

No? She can def appear on the house without fighting her

[leaden whale]

maybe I'm wrong, idk, but I thought she was like Than

[somber frigate]

Troves stay

[sterile solar]

Only than has that requirement afaik

[somber frigate]

Pretty sure Meg has a similiar requirement

[sterile solar]

Ive 100% seen her without fighting her

[leaden whale]

I've been fishing for Meg + Than because that's how you unlock Dusa's max bond, and it's been pretty consistent, if Meg appears during the boss fight then I'll see her at the house, if not then not

she doesn't need to be the main fury though, so EM1 seems to help here

[sterile solar]

My game is bugged then

[iron dirge]

can you run me thru getting dusas bond coz im 80hs deeps, bond forged with everyone except hypnos and aphro (coz you need dusa/than/meg bonds)

[sterile solar]

https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Dusa#Affinity

[iron dirge]

im reading through it and i've hit all the criteria and i gave her the last 4 ambrosia ages ago and i still haven't gotten it maybe its just my share of poor rng in this game

[leaden whale]

oh, Dusa's bond is weird

basically that scene where you invite her to your room and unlock the max bond has a weird condition in the code

Meg, Than and Dusa must all be at the house

this is done to avoid conflicts with Meg or Than spawning in the bedroom

[iron dirge]

i did see that online and i was looking for that for a while but just gave up and focused on everyone else

[iron dirge]

can they spawn in the bedroom more than once coz i've alr had it happen

[leaden whale]

so you need to hit this dream run where you get both Meg and Than and then Dusa also spawns at the house and is NOT in a conversation with someone else, this might take a while

[leaden whale]

doesn't matter, the Dusa max bond check still wants them chilling at the house

[iron dirge]

sucks

i have had then all at the house at once but dusa was always just cleaning in the corner with no exclamation point

[leaden whale]

yeah it sucks but tbf it affects nothing, there's no achievement for maxing her bond or whatever

she will refund all 10 ambrosia when you finally get this scene though
which is something I guess

[lone whale]

couldn't you ask her to keep them tho

[leaden whale]

yeah but 10 ambrosia though

[iron dirge]

apart from leveling the companions theres like no use for ambrosia tho

[lone whale]

but dusa's so deserving of them in my book lore-wise

[iron dirge]

unless youve still got relationships to max

[lone whale]

strictly gaming efficiency-wise, sure

[leaden whale]

resource director

[iron dirge]

true

[leaden whale]

also, UI skins

[iron dirge]

i would just let her keep them

you get heaps from the story prophecies anywa

[leaden whale]

also you can just trade it for blood to max out all aspects faster

[iron dirge]

i dont wanna max tall the aspects tho

all i need is arthur

[leaden whale]

arthur is not that great tbh, shield, bow and rail aspects are insane though

[iron dirge]

i don't care about whats getting me through high heat i care about whats cool

and wielding king arthurs sword with 3000+ dmg numbers on screen (curtesy of artemis) is cool

but yeah i won't lie arthur does get stale

[leaden whale]

Arhur can be fun if you get double edge and then just one shot trash mobs with a dash strike

but it's pretty unwieldy (unless you're insanely good at the game, apparently)

[iron dirge]

i also enjoy rama, chiron, hera, nemesis, and zues

[leaden whale]

try beowulf and eris as well

also achilles is very strong

[iron dirge]

i have tried beowulf and i watcheed haelians video on it but i just did not want to put in all that effort

i hate spear

as a rule

i hate it

it doesn't feel right in my hands

[leaden whale]

achilles is kind of a meme aspect, you don't actually try to use it as a spear, you just press special twice then use your casts

and your casts deal +150% damage

[iron dirge]

eris i can't get into because gun and i don't enjoy gun and i cannot be bothered pooring blood into achilles

[leaden whale]

Eris is probably the easiest aspect to clear the game with, +75% global damage, just get the triple/rocket/cluster bomb hammers, if you even get just 1 of these hammers then you're cruising

[iron dirge]

i would but once again i don't want to pour blood into it and i also just don't enjoy gun, even if it is easy

[analog radish]

Achilles is fine with attack builds

[leaden whale]

flurry jab + artemis is fine for sure, dunno what else though

[analog radish]

Zeus attack

Athena attack

[leaden whale]

why Zeus? achilles doesn't boost on-hit effects?

[analog radish]

• arti attack is more a bonus for bayblade or crystal

[analog radish]

Same as arti, for the duo with athena

• Flurry jab is fast enough to where Zeus attack is alright

[leaden whale]

I guess, but anyway you need flurry jab, which might never drop

so treat it as a cast machine by default

[analog radish]

At low heats is really not that big of a deal to not have flurry

[leaden whale]

spear is low damage low speed, worst weapon by far without flurry jab

[analog radish]

It's like sword being unplayable without the dash attack hammer

[somber frigate]

Flurry has a fast enough hit output to make solid use of it and lightning phalanx exists

[analog radish]

I don't think so

[somber frigate]

You just dash-strike like crazy in between anyways

[leaden whale]

okay, which weapon do you think is worse than spear? I think sword and fists are both much better

[analog radish]

Sword

Sword is miserable without the dash attack hammer

[leaden whale]

sword is special dash strike dash strike which can be done without any hammers

sure it's stronger with double edge and ddash, but it still just works anyway

[analog radish]

And you do like no damage compared to having the hamer

Flurry effectively does the same thing as the sword hammer where you get an extra attack per dash attack

[leaden whale]

you either play nemesis or go for merciful end

[analog radish]

Nem is unplayable without the dash hammer and you can't reliably get duos at higher heats

[leaden whale]

I mean, every weapon has a dream hammer, I wouldn't say sword is the exception here, but fair enough

[analog radish]

Sword and spear are the two most hammer reliant ones imo

Spear atleast has a few different good ones, sword only has the one

[leaden whale]

Eris needs one or two of the bomb hammers to be good

otherwise single bomb is just too low DPS

[analog radish]

I don't rly play eris

But base eris feels like it would do fine enough compared to base sword or spear

[somber frigate]

eris is fine without a special hammer

It’s main dps only becomes the special if you hit clockets

otherwise it’s all your flat damage

Strike, lightning strike, jolted, tidal dash all getting multiplied by the global damage boost

is your main dps for eris

not the special

[analog radish]

Bazinga

[somber frigate]

throw in razor shoals breaking wave as well with the tidal dash since odds are you find a 2nd or 3rd pos boon

[leaden whale]

idk, I have like 10 clears with Eris and thunder strike never gets that good even if you get the legendary, the bombs always outpace it by a lot in my experience

[somber frigate]

it’s not solely lightning strike

[leaden whale]

if you want to focus on attack then you might as well just take Lucifer

[somber frigate]

It’s everything coming together

[iron dirge]

fellas fellas, take it to #h1-builds-and-combat

[analog radish]

🤓

[iron dirge]

this no longer concerns new players at all

[somber frigate]

This is all pretty far past your first 10 wins for sure

🫡

[iron dirge]

easy post epilogue

[analog radish]

Lucy is a spoiler btw

Mods get his ass

[analog radish]

I don't think "you should use possidon dash when using eris is particularly late game"

[iron dirge]

i didn't read that bit aint gonna lie i was just kinda skimming while i watched jojos

[analog radish]

Spreading misinformation online you are perhaps

[iron dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-star-wars-gif-8063259

[steady lark]

[analog radish]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-watermelon-watermelon-cat-cat-crush-crush-gif-10209359194184036203

[somber frigate]

Is this the new “Idk man as”

[tranquil dove]

ur peak brochacho

[somber frigate]

Eh I think the entire level of the conversation was far past what this channel is meant for

[leaden whale]

Pros & cons of choosing Hell Mode as my 1st playthrough?

[sterile solar]

Pros, you do hell mode
Cons, you do hell mode

Do you want your playthough to be harder? If yes use hell mode, if not don't use hell mode

[somber frigate]

I think cons are that it just makes learning the game significantly harder

[leaden whale]

Ah I see

I did read some guides before playing tho.

[somber frigate]

also it locks you into a few pact of punishment options that taylor your save file to be better for highheat since you get an extra heat option that non-hellmode doesn’t have, but also locks you into 20% more enemies which you don’t want if you’re playing for speed

[somber frigate]

where

[leaden whale]

Reddit guides lol

[somber frigate]

You can probably write off 90% of what you read from gaming journals and 80% for reddit li-

[leaden whale]

Like what rooms to pick early.

[somber frigate]

reddit is lowkey still in the stone age for Hades even 5 years after the game came out

[leaden whale]

Ahhh

My plan is just to go for centaur heart >coins>pom

For hell mode, they say HP is the most important

And the shield with Ares boons on the special attack.

unupgraded shield is safe but very low damage
my first clear was before I unlocked the aspects and I did it with the ares shield, took 54 min lol #h1-victory-boasting message

knowing what I know now, I'd say play bow or fists, maybe rail until you unlock the aspects, these are the least scuffed

[somber frigate]

😐

[somber frigate]

This is particularly agregious ngl

No build just take ares special and throw it around and avoid whatever else shield can do

You won’t really learn Hades aside from camping rooms and camping the bosses out

[leaden whale]

I'll try every weapon 1st I think

Now I'm on my 3rd run

[iron dirge]

why thank you

[novel swift]

Reddit moment

[leaden whale]

yeah I'd take poms unless you're really low on money, you'll still get enough hearts to hit like 200-ish hp which is fine

[steady spear]

Which is better with twin shot chain, explosion, or point blank

Im kinda learning between chain and explosion cause id like some crowd control

[somber frigate]

Twin

By a long shot

[steady spear]

No with twin shot

[somber frigate]

ohhh

point blank

[steady spear]

Aight

[somber frigate]

massive raw damage boost without having to deal with explosive slower charge and bow gets enough dps to handle crowds better then

[clear trail]

YOO I GOT MY FIRST LEGENDARY BOON AND IT JUST INCREASES THE CHANCES OF FINDING A FISHING POINT

the ragebait

[leaden whale]

oh that one's guaranteed on a certain run number I believe
it was Poseidon in the first room, right? no matter what keepsake you actually had

[fresh bridge]

it is yes

[clear trail]

aw man I got so hyped for nothing

I still haven't beaten Hades but I got pretty close this time

one of these runs it shall happen

[cedar delta]

Fishing is awesome though!

[clear trail]

https://tenor.com/view/disgusted-gif-3796244731295535628

[outer flint]

https://tenor.com/view/ts-genuinely-frying-me-ts-frying-me-ts-frying-me-gif-15599417133692893606

[rotund juniper]

how much gods can i have on a run?

[humble spruce]

4 excluding Hermes and chaos

[sweet brook]

You can technically get all by forcing them with keepsakes and midshop luck but realistically it'll be 4 or 5

The game will stop giving you new gods (without keepsakes) after 4 tho

[shut spruce]

hi, sorry for the noobie question but what does the red shard even do? 🤭

[sweet brook]

That's your cast, most of the time doesn't do much but every god offers a boon that modifies it in some way. Some builds revolve around building up your cast but most kinda just ignore the cast

[shut spruce]

Oh okay. So if I’m not focusing it with upgrades, is it not worth casting? Or should I include it in my rotation still

[sweet brook]

If you have boiling blood unlocked in your mirror, it makes enemies with a cast stuck in them take 50% more damage from your attack and special, so throwing your cast at a tanky enemy before you engage is helpful

[tidal condor]

Mfw bananas still exists and is providing potassium to the masses

[cedar delta]

That's bananas!

[sweet brook]

Lmao I'm much less active than I used to be

[indigo pebble]

salutations! not really a new player but new in that i am still very bad at this game just here to lurk and pick up some tips/tricks and hopefully advance from “ass” to “somewhat ok”

[iron dirge]

pay close attention to attack patterns and environments, basically constantly dodge, and one of my biggest helps when i played was use god keepsakes to get a good fun build early and switch to lucky tooth from skelly when you beat elysium for some extra insurance for dad

[indigo pebble]

i think i’ve gotten this down fairly well. my problem is i want all the weapons to be the rail pfft the gun was the first weapon i ever cleared a run with 😅 i recently had an 8 run win streak with the gun. and i think even that was mostly bc i got amazing RNG with the hammers (both cluster and rocket bomb upgrades on at least 70% of those runs). lately i feel like my RNG has been absolute buns and i’m losing more often again 🫠 i feel like my problem is that i’m using OP builds as a crutch when i need to be more adaptable i guess?

[iron dirge]

yeah you should probably try some variation from time to time. at one point i saw a yt vid and it was alll about dio cast and poseidon aspect on sword and i played that build so many times in a row it got boring and when i stopped everything else was harder, but as you use more builds and get more variability in your runs then you get better at adapting to what you have and you just get better in general i think. do you struggle with the other weapons and melees especially?

[versed blade]

Sounds like it
Do you have a build you normally go for?
And what aspect are you using?

[indigo pebble]

my favorites are the rail, shield, and spear, and maybe the fists (but it took me almost 20 tries to clear with the fists 🫠). i feel like these weapons are easier [for me] to go in and bash away and hope the enemy dies before i get hit (except maybe the spear) so i tend to throw caution to the wind more often than not

[indigo pebble]

i’m trying to clear 8 heat with the rail (eris aspect) so i’ve been doing the ZAP build (zeus attack, artemis special, and poseidon dash)

[versed blade]

Ah, Eris
What pact conditions?

That's a good build

[indigo pebble]

mostly extreme measures, the 2 free hit 🩵 one, and 400% trap damage (i’d have to double check)

[iron dirge]

em3 or 4?

[indigo pebble]

just 3! i don’t think i’m ready for EM hades 😭

[iron dirge]

em3 is as high as i've gone

[indigo pebble]

i figure i’d loiter around in the combat and builds channel to see if i can pick up some strats

i’ve also found some decent guides via The Google. i understand they’re mostly subjective but a few of them come from top ranked speedrunners.

[iron dirge]

if they list builds for speedrunning then i don't think those are particularly helpful in this situation unless your running tight deadline 3 as one of your main punishments but if they list builds for normal runs then i would trust them

but i think one of the best ways to improve is to form your own builds and familiarise yourself with all the boons

[versed blade]

ZAP is solid though
EM3 is pretty rough if you don't know what you're doing, EM1 is fine and EM2 actually makes the fight go faster since the arena is smaller but EM3 Theseus chariot is pain

[indigo pebble]

it’s for normal builds! which is nice cos they’re taking all that info and experience they got by playing like that to help newer players. cos the guides are pretty in depth.

and yea, that’s the conclusion i came to. being frustrated with the RNG wouldn’t be nearly as bad if i could learn to take it on the chin and learn how to work around the build the game decides to throw at me (i do use keepsakes too)

[indigo pebble]

i’ve only cleared EM3 with the shield and rail so far. haven’t tried with the other weapons cos i know i’d rage quit

[iron dirge]

full em3 runs?

[indigo pebble]

yup! with the shield only the one time but with rail, at least 4 or 5 outta the 8 run streak i had.

[iron dirge]

nice

[indigo pebble]

my attempts to clears ratio is still buttcheeks tho i think 86 attempts with ~15ish clears?

[versed blade]

It usually takes a few runs before you start getting clears. The ratio isn't as important as how easy it feels to you

Maybe one run, you realized you was just her and went from struggling to being able to clear 16 heat
Maybe you've won 7 rounds in a row at 3 heat but TD1 was leaving you with only 15 seconds after winning

[indigo pebble]

yea, i feel like it took me an embarrassing amount of time to realize/understand the core concept of the gameplay. this game is my first rogue-like dungeon crawler i’ve played (unless…does castle crashers count? idk)

[versed blade]

oh yeah same lol
Now I have a 32 heat clear under my belt with the most horrendous pact the likes of which you've ever seen

[indigo pebble]

i wanna ask which weapon/aspect you cleared the 32heat with but my first guess would be….Gilgamesh?

[versed blade]

No, Rama actually

[indigo pebble]

the bow is the bane of my existence

idk what it is but me and the concept of the bow in video games have eternal beef. i think the only video games where i don’t violently hate using a bow is tomb raider (newer trilogy) and horizon zero dawn

[versed blade]

The leading cause of dissatisfaction with bow is standing-striking-itus. It's the bane of new players picking up bow for the first time.

Symptoms of standing-striking-itus may include:

• Feelings that bow isn't a fast enough weapon
• Emotional (and physical damage) due to your attacks getting interrupted by enemies
• Feelings that bow has "low damage output"

Is what's happening to me normal?

It's very common for first time bow users and even long term Hades fans to experience standing-striking-itus. Roughly 1 in 3 Hades players will experience it within their lifetimes. It can be a long-running, persistent illness if left untreated.

How do I treat standing-striking-itus?

Start dash-striking when you use bow. Dash striking on bow acts just like a regular strike, but it charges 50% faster, and deals 66% of the base damage.
This allows bow to play far more aggressively, thanks to increased mobility and decreased gaps in damage. Dash strikes also benefit from dash-strike damage boosts, sourced from Artemis's Hunter Dash, and Chaos's Lunge boons, allowing for even higher damage scaling. When you wrap everything up, you end up with a safer, faster, and higher damaging package than what you had before, and this is usually sufficient treatment for 95% of standing-striking-itus sufferers.

-Dr Shackle

We even have a copypasta for it

[indigo pebble]

this made me actually LOL so hard i think i popped a muscle somewhere in my back thank you for this delicious and well-made copypasta. i’m absolutely going to try clearing again with the bow with this in mind!

(edit: @somber frigate thank you for your service )

[versed blade]

Credit goes to @somber frigate

and sorry about your back

(partially)

[leaden whale]

Gift them or talk to them 1st? Those NPC

[midnight apex]

You can gift then talk, but you can't talk then gift, so gift first

[leaden whale]

Nice

[midnight apex]

Shackle is truly the GOAT

[sweet brook]

the name is ironic in the sense that gilgamesh absolutely sucks lmfao

[leaden whale]

aren't there meme dash builds for Gilga? it does seem bad otherwise though

[sweet brook]

Build singular but like objectively speaking a dash only build isn't good lmao

[leaden whale]

well, there's a whole aspect in H2 that's centered around dash builds (Supay), it's fun

[somber frigate]

Giving bow another fair shot is what this was meant for anyways

[somber frigate]

This is so backwards ngl

if it’s a normal build I’d trust it about as far as I can throw it

speedrunning builds are just naturally effective for gameplay

[somber frigate]

The speedrunner ones are the ones you want to use, the remaining options are usually either reddit-tier (stone-age) level Hades) or gaming journals (sticks-age level Hades)

Although if you’re looking for a lot of options

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide

this site has like 2-4 builds per aspects and they are all at a bare minimum cohesive builds

which is more than I can say for reddit

[indigo pebble]

this is the exact site i’ve been using

[somber frigate]

they range from “pretty good” to “close to meta for speed or heat for that aspect”

[indigo pebble]

his links that are embedded for some of the builds showcasing others guides and/or runs are also pretty groovy

that’s where i got the ZAP build for Eris rail aspect

[somber frigate]

I actually can’t say I’ve read it recently enough to know he put links in it

i wonder if he sourced them from the speedrun.com compendium

or how he found them if not

[somber frigate]

For reference it has a lot of docs/pdfs from runners for different weapons

[indigo pebble]

there’s a compendium? 😭 i’m new to this, i’m not true to this

i found a few google docs. i wonder if that’s part of it

[somber frigate]

To be fair you’d have no reason to know it existed if you never opened speedrun.com for hades and then clicked guides and then saw the guide compendium linked and clicked on it

But it has guides for every weapon, high heat, a ton of speed specific strategies

can you tell I’m more of a speedrunner than a high heat guy

[indigo pebble]

[somber frigate]

tbh though like this website by itself is definitely more than enough to take you through 100% of Hades content

and leaves you with a lot more room for experimentation which I know I did like crazy for my first 200-300 hours

still do now but loading up codex mod to check how a boon functions under x y z conditions isn’t the same as build experimentation

[indigo pebble]

yea, i’m trying to get into the experimentation mindset instead of trying to be super competitive in this solo player game

[indigo pebble]

i feel personally attacked

[somber frigate]

Hey I’ve done my share of build experimentation tbf

[indigo pebble]

i’m gonna finish up this failed Nemesis Merciful End run and see what happens the build i ended up with (if i can even call it that 🫠) was effective enough to get me to Styx so i’ll give it a chance lol

i appreciate all the pointers i received! i didn’t expect to get any feedback so quickly

[somber frigate]

what went wrong to cause it to fail

[indigo pebble]

Athena ghosted me mid-run got 2 boons from her and neither were what i needed

[somber frigate]

A large majority of the guys that have stuck around this long are either pretty experienced in speed and/or high heat and love talking about the game

[indigo pebble]

i’m glad i decided to hop in the discord then. i kept seeing ppl talk about how the devs are decent ppl and interact with the community every now and then.

and it seems like the ppl here are chill and respectful from what i saw reading through some of the channels

[somber frigate]

I think that’s more of a H2 being in early access thing maybe? I’ve never seen a dev in these channels in the last 4 years tbh

Like Hades was initially an early access game and the devs did update it a few times after it dropped but after that I think it’s been a hot minute, they’ve been working on H2 since afaik

[indigo pebble]

welp, reddit has once again lied to me.

[somber frigate]

I’d understand if it was talking about early access and the year or two following the release

which I wasn’t here for but I’ve heard a lot about

[somber frigate]

r/Hades is like a time campus back to 2020

[indigo pebble]

tbf, i think whatever post i even got this discord link from was 2-3yrs old

[indigo pebble]

yeeeaaaa, that tracks 😭

[somber frigate]

we still get a ton of people joining saying the heard chiron or chaos were really good aspects

and like 85% of them are from reddit

the other 15% just heard it from a friend or wherever else

[iron dirge]

i enjoy chiron

[indigo pebble]

ok but wait, hear me out! i liked Chiron before ever looking at a Hades reddit post

[somber frigate]

Chiron is a really easy aspect to use, it just functionally works out to being like the 4th best bow aspect

that’s the dichotomy

very low skill floor, building it is very easy, it can easily get you up to 40 heat

But it’s specced out for single target dps(and badly at that), has no aoe, and doesn’t kill fast enough for the lack of speed to be a non-issue

I’m also just biased against it as a zag-bow main who really enjoys playing bow for the rhythm game I feel like chiron is the bow for people who don’t want to play bow

[indigo pebble]

-# …but it’s pretty

no but seriously 🤣 i’m pretty sure i used the Zag bow aspect to clear a run (the only bow clear i have lol) so i get what you’re saying

[fresh moth]

while I'd accept that as meta, sure, I'd also submit that's kinda the dichotomy of.. sorta a lot of roguelikes, actually. building for rooms or waves or general purpose vs building for bosses. building for single target damage sponge bosses can often make clearing normal groups a chore. building for groups can make bosses a chore. balance, in all things, etc etc.
I got no knowledge/experience with it for this game yet, really. but it feels pretty common for the genre

[somber frigate]

Well that’s the thing

it does a poor job at being focused on single-target damage

It roots you in place for so long each special and you don’t get that much out of it

compare it to like any zag-bow build and you’re going to be outputting a bunch of damage but you’re going to be moving way quicker so it gets impacted by groups significantly less and it does have the capability to hit multiple targets with a given arrow

[fresh moth]

Chiron's the homing special aspect, right?

[somber frigate]

and zag-bow is like the 3rd best bow I’m just a massive fan ofnit

Hera goes harder into the single-target damage with loading casts but it does it so much quicker that you can pop off significantly harder

[fresh moth]

yeh, I can see that. I think one of my earliest clears was with Chiron, but, also pretty sure I got real lucky with the build working out the way it did for that run

[somber frigate]

Don’t get me wrong though, chirons skill floor is literally the ground and it’s pretty easy to pilot it so I’ve seen my fair share of the worst builds I’ve ever seen on the planet clear 40 heat with 0 levels of tight deadline

50 minute in-game time run, the works

I think my point though was that Reddit is really stuck in the past

Like chaos hasn’t really been good since early access and I think it’s success in early access, as far as I can tell, was mainly due to an under-developed shield meta

And I still get people coming in going “reddit told me to use chaos” or “reddit told me to use chiron” etc

[somber frigate]

Worst shield for both heat and speed btw

The gimmick just doesn’t work well

But they’re getting recommend it by reddit and then we sorta have to go like “hold up, kinda forget everything you read from reddit”

[fresh moth]

the multi-shield throw? yeah, tried that, sounded maybe almost sorta good.. on paper. but def doesn't feel like it actually works in practice. especially when zeus is right there..

[somber frigate]

exactly

It makes no sense as a recommendation, it hasn’t been in contention as a solid aspect since early access, where it had a different throwing pattern, and even then like this was back before Beo was even mainly using cast-builds and yet somehow I was seeing people coming in with preconcieved ideas of how functional chaos shield was from reddit in the year of our Lord 2025

Haven’t seen any yet this year

Anyhow ttyl I’m heading back to bed for another 2 hours or so

[leaden whale]

4th best bow, so you mean the worst? that can't be? chiron should outperform the zag bow at least

sure zag bow gets +15% crit and I love that, but you basically just take aphro/artemis attack and that's the build

[analog radish]

the opinion is that chiron's specila gimick is slower than normal bow gameplay

[steady lark]

Exactly why it's goated

[crisp bronze]

Add that with an artemis build and you'll see just how powerful it can be

[dusty vault]

That's the fun part when basically all of your atk focused hammers are goated

[leaden whale]

yeah okay, but you barely use the special on the zag bow, so it feels wasted

while with chiron you use both so it feels like a more complete weapon

[analog radish]

beo special be like

[steady lark]

Valid

That would make Chiron the 2nd worst bow tho

[cedar delta]

Chiron would've been so much less mediocre had the special come with piercing by default

[steady lark]

chiron is not even bad

[cedar delta]

Well sure, it's not Aspect of Chaos. It's just not good either, so it's mediocre

[steady lark]

its great

[fresh moth]

tbh, my early run impressions were along those lines of "best practice is to just try to pump up one form of attack."
being balanced and "complete" just tends to feel weaker overall by the end

[somber frigate]

so does Hera (the best speed bow) suck because you never special either

like

The amount of special usage has no real correlation with bow aspect strength tbh

[versed blade]

"No special usage on a given Beowulf build? Must suck too"

[leaden whale]

Beowulf special is strong though? you can make Beo special builds

but when it comes to the bows, only Chiron's and Rama's specials are worth using, which is a shame IMO

[clear trail]

GENTLEMEN I JUST BEAT HADES

thank you for all the help🧎

[crisp bronze]

Beowulf stronk

[somber frigate]

Beowulf never uses its special for any of its real builds though

Doesn’t touch it once

You can use the special, you just wouldn’t

[analog radish]

only use of beo special is picking off a witch in tart that is on the other side of the room

[steady spear]

Does cast damage get added to hera bow

[sweet brook]

Technically I suppose? Your cast gets shot out at the end of your arrow after you fire it so it's technically added

Although I'm pretty sure it gets launched on the first enemy it hits as well

[somber frigate]

It’s independent

the strike damage is strike damage and the cast damage is cast damage, they just occur at the same time

[rough sequoia]

Türkler dm gelebilir mi

[desert oracle]

so i'm grinding for the all duos thing for the list of minor prophacies. and i'm struggling with Poseidon and Ares. any pointers?

because i can't get it at all.

i have been grinding for it all day.

and i'm slowly losing my mind.

so please help me.

[iron dirge]

maxed gods legacy and ares/poseidon keepsakes and if you've alr done that then theres not much more you can do

[desert oracle]

so what now, just assume Poseidon hates me. lol

because that's what i've tried. for poseidon all i need is Athena and Ares. for both their duos and that's it.

and we don't talk about how long it took me to get marige shot.

[iron dirge]

all the advice i can offer you is reset the game and pray to all of the olympian gods every time you do a run

[somber frigate]

Curs eof drowning has a mutual exclusive or two

You can’t get it with mirage shot

[somber frigate]

For getting duos more consistently, there’s really 2 ways to boost your odds

1. boost your duo odds
2. remove any options that would take priority slots (having unfilled cores(strike/special/cast/dash) and status curse boons (static discharge/razor shoals/hunter’s mark/blinding flash)

[desert oracle]

yea but it took me like two hours to get Artemis. and like that was one run. and i blizzed shot first run. now all i need is curse of drowning, and unshakeable mettle.

that's all i have to do to finish Poseidon

[somber frigate]

There are lots of sources for duo odds, any rarity boosting temporary item, and chaos favours give you +10% duo/legendary per option rolled

[desert oracle]

how do i get the chaos thing?

[somber frigate]

so yarn of ariadne from wells and refreshing nectar from eurydice

Chaos favour boons

they boost rarity but don’t tell you about their +10% epic and +10% duo/legendary odds iirc

[desert oracle]

so i've been skipping it for casts? Gods i'm a fool. ok, that checks. because i was starting to get tired, and making dumb mistakes. when i say i've been grinding all day, i mean all day.

so i stopped for the night. because if i kept at it i was actually gonna have a crises

but thanks

[leaden whale]

there is no achievement for that, why are you wasting your time

[sterile solar]

Its a prophecy

And they want it

[desert oracle]

yea, and the reward for it too.

and isn't there a thing for complating all the minor list of prophacies?

[sterile solar]

Not really no

Aside from just the sense of completion

[desert oracle]

well yea, and i guess it wouldn't be a full complate without doing everything. and the reward for it is pretty. and you know what i've forgotten what said reward is.

[sterile solar]

I did it just for doing it, I didnt need the reward by said point

[desert oracle]

yea, i can agree, but i still suck at this game without Dio. and when i looked into what i needed for the prophacy. guess who i didn't need to worry about?

[sterile solar]

Nice

[desert oracle]

i had all the duos for Dio, if that doesn't show how relant i am on him i don't know what will.

[sterile solar]

How exactly are you relying on Dio, what boon has he got that you really need

[leaden whale]

the only Dio duos I use are ice wine and scintillating feast, does he have anything else decent

[desert oracle]

my normal build hinges on his strike or cast. so hese why i got curse of nursa and low tolrance. because i normally paired him with Ares, and Aphro, mainly for the stacking of curses damage. so i just ended up with them, and then the cast i watched online how deadly it is when paired, ice wine and the one with Zeus.

and curse of nursa, it's good. Ares and Dio.

when you get a powerful hangover damage, and stack it.

i think i've managed to get the hangover damage up to 13 in one run on the Achilles spear. with the help of rare crop.

and it was by complate accident

[somber frigate]

I mean rare crop really doesn’t do much for strikes like

For hangover strike*

the vast majority of your hangover damage is just going to come from throwing down an absurd number of poms

[desert oracle]

i know. but i got four on the like six i already had so yea, and well i do. i pom the living hell out of it when i do get it.

but because i'm hunting down duo boons. (ones that aren't Dio) i can't do my normal, which is nice, it's forcing me to learn new things. and it's fun. but extremly annoying.

and i've never been a huge fan of Poseidon. since the first ever fight i had with the heros, he was the first God that killed me. so i've been salty since.

[somber frigate]

You might want to get over that, he does have the best damaging dash in game

sorry I got distracted double checking that the chaos favour boon fact was true

I was like 99% sure but I decided to pull up the game files to check

[somber frigate]

The game doesn’t tell you about this +10% in-game

You wouldn’t have known

[somber frigate]

ngl this trippy shot cast build lowkey pisses me off a little because it’s so popular on youtube but of all the builds that could’ve spiked in popularity it’s just not that effective

like don’t get me wrong it is good

it works

but it’s like idk a heavy knuckle crit build popping up in popularity on fists

Sure it works but it’s not that effective and it’s a bit clunky

That’s my own little rant though, it’s definitely going to work

[somber frigate]

Low tolerance / curse of nausea are very solid on hangover builds

so like merciful end builds can end up with it if they have dio in pool and take his call after finding merciful end

exclusive access if your build had poseidon in it anyways and you happen to find dio, given an early early access lets you get really strong with guaranteed epic hermes/chaos boons

[desert oracle]

no you can rant all you want, i get it. i've seen builds that i can't quite get to work for me. i'm missing either a Duo or i can't get what i need from the God. all day today i've been yelling at my screen. yelling "Poseidon! seriously, you can give me three Duos and you give me none!"

[somber frigate]

I swear there’s a massive skill curve to finding duos like use the few tips I gave you and you should hit so much more often

It doesn’t completely mitigate it but duos really are rather consistent unless it’s like merciful end where you need some intentionally restrictive requirements

[desert oracle]

thing that really ticked me off today was, it did give me duos. i took Aphrodite to try to get smoldering air, and it gave me sweet necter.

i was going to throw my shwich outside through the damn window.

[somber frigate]

Like at base once you’ve cleared off the priority boons that could steal slots you’re looking at roughly a 31% chance per boon to have at least one duo

[somber frigate]

It’s a mix of closing your priority slots while not openning new duos tbh

[somber frigate]

also, given it was smouldering air, you did have a call boon right?

Something I notice at least semi-regularly with people unable to find some of the more niche duos is literally just not meeting that duos specific requirements (for ones that are more than just any core from god A and any core from god B)

[desert oracle]

no i took Zeus's aid. and Aphro's attack, Ares's specel (he was only there to get the duo) Poseidon cast, and i think it was Artemis dash. but i was hunting down litrely anything Poseidon would give me. because at this point i was still hunting Marige shot. and i'm still newish to the game so i didn't know at the time that some duos can canasl out other duos. and i was using Hera bow to try and take avantage of the cast damage offered.

[merry estuary]

i am at the end of my wits. 70 attempts in and still havent beaten the game, having reaches hades only ONCE.
what I've found is that i can consistently build high damage but always end up taking a ton of damage and dying. athenas dash is quite helpful but i feel like the duo boons with her dash arent that good. but without her dash its quite literally impossible for me to survive elysium.
any tips are appreciated.

[cedar delta]

Do you know that Dashes give iframes but Dash-Strikes do not?

[sweet brook]

look for good duos that don't involve her dash as a prereq, esp considering most duos in this game are pretty bad/useless

or build for merciful end

[leaden whale]

oh yeah, exclusive access is great, I've seen that one, but I wouldn't aim for it specifically, it's just a nice to have IMO

[leaden whale]

if you're 70 runs in and still haven't cleared once, then turn on god mode or just drop the game, why torture yourself, it's clearly not clicking with you

[cedar delta]

Or we might have a problem with some gameplay fundamental like Dash vs Dash-Strike, boon selection or mirror issues, etc.

[leaden whale]

they seem to have trouble dodging things, and IMO 70 runs is enough to see all the patterns (many times over, in fact), so if it's not clicking then it's not going to

[cedar delta]

Or they might have much lower damage than they think, causing them to take forever to get kills and opening them up to more chances to make errors

[sweet brook]

70 isn't that much realistically speaking

[leaden whale]

yeah Hades 1 can be like that, you're either building correctly or you deal no damage once you're in Elysium

my first clear I didn't know what I was doing, just won out of spite, with the unupgraded shield, took 50 min lol

then I learned how everything works and my runs are now 20 something minutes

[sterile solar]

not really, just keep going at it

if your advice is just to "drop the game" might as well not say anything tbh

[leaden whale]

I got to the epilogue in 55 runs

[sterile solar]

congratz?

its ok to take longer

[leaden whale]

it's also ok to use god mode
it just sounds like they're torturing themselves

[steady lark]

took me 87

[sterile solar]

the god mode is good advice, but dont tell them to drop the game lol

[steady lark]

iirc i stopped caring about winning and just focused on collecting resources and talking to characters, gifting nectar etc, eventually i got the clear without ever stressing about it

[leaden whale]

the developers specifically added god mode for situations like this, and you can always turn it off once you improve

[sterile solar]

indeed

[exotic briar]

Someone can help me with getting high affinity with some characters i already gave them enough nectar, but i want to go higher with Ambrosia. I need poseidon (someone told me that i need 18 fishs, but is it different fishs? Because i have 68), Afrodite, Artemis, Ares (already did bloodlust), Hermes, Hipnos and Deméter. I will appreciete if someone can help me🙏

[chilly jungle]

Guys, I'm on the 29th run and haven't beat Hades yet, am I bad? How many runs, on average, does it take to beat at least once? I've fought him like 3 times so far

[novel swift]

20-80 escape attempts is generally the range you see

[sterile solar]

check the wiki, each character has their favor on there

[inner flax]

What happens if you ||don't bother to change your keepsakes in between areas||? Does it go off ||of the one you still have on||?

[midnight apex]

Depends on the ||keepsake. Some like the god ones only apply the guarantee once but keep their rarity boost, charon’s purse only gives you money once, the rest should be for as long as you keep it on.||

Btw I wouldn’t spoil it, that’s vett ty early

[iron dirge]

early game i wouldn't really worry about changing keepsakes unless you have a clear build in mind that you are confident that you can beat the run with and that the keepsakes you change to will help that , other than that just get familiar with the game itself and level keepsakes you like

[merry estuary]

hmmm, since many say that elysium is a build check i might not in fact be building correctly.
i mostly use sword or fists. on my mirror i have fiery presence and privileged status for which i try to get a different effect on my attack and special. i also have that upgrade where casting marks an enemy fot extra damage, so i try to cast before attacking and also get a good cast later on.
in elysium my main difficulty is taking too much damage. i feel like i can handle the boss but it takes forever to kill them, once again i might not have as much damage as i think.
what strategy should i follow for boon selection?

[cedar delta]

Privileged Status comes with way too many opportunity costs over FF. Fists can stack Zeus off of Attack to begin, or it can run Merciful End (pls someone else chime in I haven't played in so long)

[desert oracle]

can i ask if curse of drowning is a weapon exclive thing?

because i am useing Hera bow

and i just can't get the damn thing

i've pulled two legedaries before it.

[somber frigate]

It’s mutually exclusive with mirage shot, blizzard shot, and Hera

if you have any of those 3 in a run you cannot find curse of drowning

[desert oracle]

figured, so i swiched to the shield.

then got it on the second run.

so now hunting smoldering air. because today was far better because i got three new Duos.

heart rend, lightning rod and curse of drowning.

[leaden whale]

don't use fiery presence and privileged status on fists, take shadow presence and family favorite instead
take zeus/ares/artemis attack
if zeus, just take all his other boons like static discharge, double strike tc, everything that improves thunder, easiest build probably
if ares, go for merciful end, i.e. take athena special + dash, then pick merciful end duo from either of them, impending doom is also great here
if artemis, take aphrodite special and go for heart rend
ALSO, don't take cast boons that do NOT get stuck inside the enemies (e.g. trippy shot, you don't want that), because you'll lose the boiling blood bonus (+50% damage) which is a big help on all these builds, when fighting a boss or elite enemy you pretty much always want a bloodstone stuck in them, even if you don't have a cast boon just keep throwing stones anyway

[merry estuary]

I see, thanks for the detailed builds!

[somber frigate]

Zeus and ares are going to be a different level completely compared to this artemis one btw

like

I don’t even have much more to say, the difference between a flat damage based build and a +% strike build for fists is massive

[somber frigate]

You notably cannot get double strike and high voltage with zeus strike since zeus strike fires chain lightning and those boons only buff up lightning bolts (the circular aoes that drop from the sky)

now double strike will prok on jolted which does make it a good pick-up anyways but you’ll need an extra zeus core to open them

[rough sequoia]

Türk yok mu

[leaden whale]

yeah I mostly run heart rend on talos fists, you use the special to proc weak + 50% damage boost, this synergizes well with the arty attack

[clear trail]

I beat hades again maybe it's time to start considering getting into the speedrunning scene

(I had 4 death defiances saved for the final boss and 325 health)

[sterile solar]

could also pump the difficulty up

[clear trail]

https://tenor.com/view/chud-billions-must-smile-happiness-gif-3728339258625459883

I'm right where I need to be

[raven portal]

New player, hit a bit of a wall, I'm on run 25 or so and stuck in thesius - using bow with aspect of Chiron, trying to get Athena dash, Aphrodite attack and Dio on my way up

Feels like I'm producing enough damage as well as not avoiding chip damage well enough

Any advice?

[leaden whale]

focus the bull first, hide behind the pillars or just dodge at the last moment to avoid the spears

also, you should always be dash striking with a bow, the power shots will charge instantly and you also stay mobile

practice it on Skelly or something, basically you pick a direction to dash, then start holding attack mid dash and change the direction to where you want to shoot

[raven portal]

I wasn't doing this, I'll practice ty

[novel linden]

I just got the game yesterday, but I'm having a really hard time progressing. I always end up getting defeated by the first boss -- I only escaped Tartarus once, after which I died midway through Asphodel. Does anyone have any advice? I feel like I don't know how to play strategically.

I have all of the weapons (but no aspects) unlocked and some of the mirror upgraded.

[leaden whale]

no kidding, use the dodge button, this is not an ARPG like Path of Exile or whatever, you can't just spray the enemies and be fine, you need to dodge a lot, this is like an isometric Dark Souls with a lot of bullet hell

[novel linden]

The dash button? I'm trying to use it, and I've had some success using it with Divine Dash.

[leaden whale]

do you have the double dash unlocked in the mirror?

[novel linden]

Yes

It often feels like too many enemies are attacking me for me to dodge all of them

Plus, I don't have the best dodge reflexes

[leaden whale]

all enemies telegraph their attacks, you will learn the patterns with practice

[novel linden]

Are there any builds you think work well for new players?

Any gods, weapons, etc.?

[leaden whale]

fists + zeus attack + all the other boons that improve lightning (static discharge, storm lightning etc)

very easy to build, just equip Zeus' keepsake to make him spawn in the first room, take lightning strike

then just keep picking his boons for other stuff

[novel linden]

Okay, sounds good!

Are there any other gods I should focus on?

[leaden whale]

any weapons in particular you really enjoy?

[novel linden]

The one time I got to Asphodel was with the shield, but I do enjoy the rail

The shield could be good for when I'm overwhelmed by enemies

[leaden whale]

the shield is very low damage without the aspects, but it is safe to use, you can block everything, if you want to try it anyway pick Ares' special

[novel linden]

The doom one?

[leaden whale]

yeah

you just throw the shield then hide in a corner holding block, kinda lame but you can win like that

as for the rail, the Zeus attack is the best one due to bullets dealing so little damage on their own

pick something chonky for the bombs though, e.g. Aphrodite, Artemis or Poseidon

[novel linden]

So for rail: Zeus attack, Athena dash, Poseidon special?

[leaden whale]

if you get triple bomb, rocket bomb or cluster bomb hammers then you can nuke whole rooms

[leaden whale]

I'd pick Poseidon dash actually, then go for Zeus-Poseidon duo: Sea Storm, this way all of Poseidon's effects will also have all the Zeus lightning stuff

[steady lark]

Just check the guide in #h1-builds-and-combat pins

2nd pin

[novel linden]

Thanks!

[novel linden]

What build would you recommend for the shield?

[somber frigate]

artemis or aphrodite play significantly better in with zeus strike than poseidon does

artemis really benefits all the projectiles going around by adding crits to them all with pressure points, adding her own projectiles with support fire, crit chains with hunters mark

Aphrodite has the highest special damage and opens her smouldering air duo with zeus if you have any call, which lets you spam minicalls every 5 seconds, alongside having boons for further survivability and some global damage additive in sweet surrender

[novel linden]

Should I do Poseidon dash or something else?

[somber frigate]

Tidal dash is a very strong option, divine dash and blade dash are also pretty decent

Tidal vs divine is just what you want/need

blade is more like the 2nd best damage option but more single-target focused

[versed quail]

Super minor thing that might not even be applicable is that tidal dash might want some poms whereas athena dash you just get any rarity and forget about it

[analog radish]

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tbh tidal dash benifiting form poms is an advantage over athena dash

since both are pomable, you would rather roll tidal dash than athena dash on a pom

[midnight apex]

Not to mention it scales VERY well with poms

Though being able to grab divine and forget about it is convenient

[analog radish]

we love pomming athena dash and revenge

[versed quail]

Yeah i just wanted to point it out in case it affects their decisions

Maybe they need the poms elsewhere for what they're running idk

[novel linden]

I'll probably just do Divine Dash for the defense

I often have trouble dodging without it

[analog radish]

you are likely getting hit while dash attacking

[novel linden]

Does Tidal Dash have any defensive utility?

[analog radish]

empty dashes have iframes and dash attacks dont

[analog radish]

no, just damage, unless you concider pushing enemies away to be defensive

[novel linden]

I mean, I think it's more of a skill issue (dashing too early/late)

[analog radish]

you can use tidal dash for some gimick builds

[novel linden]

To be fair, I think I'm doing decent-ish at dodging for someone who's had the game for 24hrs, but still not great by any real standard

[analog radish]

since tidal dash is a very strong damage option and empty dashes have iframes, you could put togeather a build with a bunch of dashes you can chain back to back (invincible the whole time) while killing stuff with tidal dash

[novel linden]

Oh that's interesting

[analog radish]

there is one hermes boon that gives more dashes and you need a high rarity, its not reliable lol

[midnight apex]

It’s not completely true invincible, but combined with extra dashes and some dodge change from Hermes’ it’s funny

[analog radish]

i did this with the bear hands and it felt like the iframs were up the entire time

or do you mean that you can hit when you dont have a dash

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[leaden whale]

hmmm, I'm actually not sure if you can make a strong build on the default shield, so I guess Ares special + impending doom, then Aphro attack + pulverizing blow (hammer), then sweet surrender
I think this is what I had on my first clear which was with the unupgraded shield

this is very safe to play and you can mash attack for decent damage when there's an opening, otherwise keep your distance and throw the special for some doom stacks

[analog radish]

merciful end is likely the only strong zag shield build, atleast that i can think of for the moment

[leaden whale]

might as well just play fists though

[analog radish]

ares attack, athena special, athena dash

you can play very safely like so

dash attack into block (one input of the attack and hold), release block to charge into enemy

repeat

you will get activations of ME per cycle for the ball park of 200 to 400 dmg

[leaden whale]

sounds a bit complicated for someone who just started playing

[analog radish]

yes forsure an attack rotaiton that involves 2 inputs is complicated

[leaden whale]

well that's up to them, I guess

[analog radish]

even though you are up close to enemies this is much safer than using specials since you block all attacks from the front and you are just not able to get hit when in the bullrush

[outer flint]

Why are we recommending ME to a beginner?

[dusty vault]

For zag shield you can always wait for charged shot to show up and go crazy

[novel linden]

Why am I no longer getting Titan Blood from the first boss? I'm just getting Darkness now.

[dim sandal]

You can’t collect titan blood with the same weapon more than once, try changing the weapon to one you haven’t used to beat that boss yet

[lethal estuary]

you will be able to unlock more titan blood with the same weapon multiple times later in the game, once you beat the final boss once. but until then, yeah, just switch to a different weapon

[analog radish]

What is wrong with me for new players

Most straightforward thing ever

[outer flint]

It can be hard to get and that's really annoying

They don't have rerolls or the upgrade to increase the chances

[analog radish]

Charon is a go to Newbie build and it uses a duo

[outer flint]

yeah but charon is still winnable without the duo

ME buils suck a lot more without the duo than charon

[merry estuary]

I feel like I am relying on Athena's dash too much to evade damage. It's alright for normal rooms because you can heal yourself in between rooms, but in some boss fights I end taking damage just because I couldn't dodge their attacks (this is particularly a problem with level 3 and level 4 boss fights) if I don't have Athena's dash.
So I wanna ask how should I train myself to dodge attacks even if I end up not getting Athena's dash? Apart from bad luck I'd also just like to have more freedom with my build where I am not forced to get an Athena boon just for the dash.

(Ping me if you reply)

[cedar delta]

Build for damage and learn to Dash-Strike with every weapon. Mobility/proactiveness > reaction

Best defense good offense blah blah

[leaden whale]

Charon is a build in H1? or did you mean Chiron

[leaden whale]

practice on easy enemies, find a room with some enemies that spam projectiles, leave one alive and practice dashing through its projectiles

[lethal schooner]

hi so what weapon should i save up for