h1-for-new-players

[midnight apex]

I barely was paying attention

[tulip dove]

;-;

[midnight apex]

Then none

[tulip dove]

sad

oh well

[midnight apex]

Well, ||Dusa?||

Maybe then

You can try

[tulip dove]

nahhh

anyways

spear

is it good with merciful end?

[midnight apex]

Every melee weapon is good with merciful end, it might just not be the best option

[tulip dove]

ok

[tulip dove]

wait

[midnight apex]

Waiting

[tulip dove]

i HAVE TO SPEND 5 TITANS BLOOD

TO GET THE HIDDEN ASPECTS

[midnight apex]

Yes

They ain’t cheap

[tulip dove]

yes but i have to spend

[midnight apex]

Ik

[tulip dove]

them to unlock five diff aspects

i cant just

[midnight apex]

Mhm

[tulip dove]

im so cooked

[midnight apex]

Wait

5 non Zagreus aspects

[midnight apex]

Gotta be specific

[tulip dove]

i only have talos and nemesis

THE REST ARE ALL IN MY BASE FIST

ITS LVL 4 ;-;

[midnight apex]

Welp, hop on it

[tulip dove]

im so cooked

[midnight apex]

You’ve got some grinding to do

[tulip dove]

i hate my life

[dire orchid]

When it comes to unlocking hidden aspects, it says that some of the requirements are to invest blood in the weapons.

Some guides say invest in NON-zagreus aspects others don’t specify, does investment in the aspect count towards hidden aspects?

[jovial knoll]

guys is there any point trying to max out all keepsakes ?

ive got 8 maxed atm - the only ones i really use

[dusty vault]

Hidden spear is the only one that doesn't count zagreus aspects, as it needs 5 non zag aspects unlocked overall.

The other 5 weapons can dump their blood on the zag aspect

[dire orchid]

Thank you

I have hidden spear already so good there

[tulip dove]

ok so

i have 5 non zag aspects unlocked

do i just need to talk to achiles

over and over now

[dusty vault]

If you have the other pre reqs ||minor list of prophecies purchased/have reached final boss|| then yeah

[tulip dove]

yea i do

beat him once actually

i think i havent beat him twice yet cuz of skill issue

[covert tinsel]

I have a question regarding the dark foresight talent
It says it increases chance for rewards, but does it end up decreasing the chance for darkness and keys?
(Ik it's stupid but I felt like asking..)
Cus, I'm farming rn and other stuff is maxed out besides death defiance

[somber frigate]

Necessarily it needs to

[covert tinsel]

Oh alr

Thanks

[somber frigate]

You get 7 more gold laurel rewards

per run

which is a significant and really strong amount

[covert tinsel]

What's the normal then?

[somber frigate]

can’t rememver what the baseline is

[covert tinsel]

I've just reached the 3rd (I think it's the last area, cus there's no sneak peak of further map)

And am struggling to reach there with a diff weapon

And still dying anyway

In like 2 rooms

[somber frigate]

It’s a pretty decent difficulty spike

[rapid storm]

Id say biggest one in the game

[stuck zenith]

||is there anything after? its the biggest spike in game and the last area of the game if u dont consider styx no?||

[rapid storm]

what do you mean anything after? bc styx is the last area and then its final boss

[stuck zenith]

yeah i mean compared with what?

diffculty spike compared with aspholedus?

[rapid storm]

its the biggest jump in difficulty in general, like from tartarus to asphodel its obv gonna be a jump in difficulty but comparing tartarus to asphodel isnt anywhere near as big of a jump compared to asphodel to elysium

and then not including bosses i think that elysium to styx is a jump down in difficulty

[vale shoal]

What is the easiest build for a 1st completion? Got to last boss 1 time and died.

[rapid storm]

theres a bunch you could use, what weapon do you like most, ill see if i know a build that is relatively easy on it, and also the aspect can change a whole lot too so if you have that, that would also be nice

[vale shoal]

Just unlocked aspects. Went with Zeus on shield

[rapid storm]

damn i havent used zeus aspect much, give me a sec

[sweet brook]

use zeus special on it

[rapid storm]

yeah listen to this guy actually

[sweet brook]

get static discharge from zeus asap

explosive return on your hammer is ideal

[vale shoal]

I went with “Aspect of Zeus”

[sweet brook]

yeah

put zeus special on it lol

[vale shoal]

Ahh ok

[sweet brook]

ideally you throw the special out, dash strike backwards into a block, bull rush and recall your special at the same time, then repeat

[vale shoal]

I can do the 1st boss somewhat easy if it’s really the 1st..do you suggest using Zeus keepsake to get it early?

[sweet brook]

it's a bit complicated but it's doable with enough practice

[sweet brook]

always

start with the god you want in the run, don't delay it for later bc you don't need it

[rapid storm]

yeah normally starting with a god keepsake is how you should do most runs

[sweet brook]

esp since you want 2 boons from zeus, you def should start with zeus

[vale shoal]

What 2? Special and?

[rapid storm]

special and then the jolted effect one

idk what its called tho but its just a whole lot more damage basically

[vale shoal]

Do you ever suggest dying to get the right stuff? Like I need nectar and don’t have Zeus’s keepsake

[sweet brook]

do you have dio keepsake by chance

dionysus, dio for short

[vale shoal]

No

[rapid storm]

if its not going great you could, but if you think you have a chance at getting far, id stick with it

[vale shoal]

Any prio for the keepsakes? I was using the tooth and just started grabbing rare Gods wasn’t sure what to do

[sweet brook]

just get the god ones asap

[rapid storm]

if you mean like priority to get, id say god keepsakes, then eurydice keepsake is great for final boss, and hypnos' is alr, theres more good ones but those are the best few i can think of rn

[vale shoal]

To me in the later part of the game I was forced to play very sweaty and dodge attk everytime with deflect…is there more diversity? I don’t like that

[sweet brook]

well

the more you play the game, the more comfortable you'll get with the enemies

so it won't be as "sweaty"

[vale shoal]

I did that backwards..got acorn and the rare ones I didn’t see like that frost lady

[sweet brook]

elysium is def a difficulty ramp, but it's fairly manageable the more accustomed you get

[vale shoal]

I feel I have to have some type of deflect or I get cooked

[sweet brook]

also the better your build is, the less likely ely is to be difficult lol

eh once you get used to it you won't have to rely on deflect that much

but also like

[vale shoal]

Also should I be doing the chaos thing? I try to prio centaur hearts …chaos seems tondo the opposite

[sweet brook]

a lot of players rely on athena (divine dash specifically) to carry them through the game, which is fine, but it's not like it's necessary

[sweet brook]

chaos can give +hp, but you generally take chaos for more damage

also with chthonic vitality on the mirror, you'll regain the hp back in a handful of chambers

[rapid storm]

chaos has some great boons but it depends, if youre already low i wouldnt but if youre good, why not

[sweet brook]

assuming you don't take damage afterwards lmao

but also you said you didn't have any issues with tartarus, so you can def take them in tartarus

[vale shoal]

I was about to read the mirror guide I just saved up for extra lives and just maxed it

[sweet brook]

just keep in mind when the boss chamber comes up

[rapid storm]

yeah normally its a lot less risky to take them in the first 2 areas, but because elysium has a lot more armored enemies and harder enemies in general, its a lot more risky, and you cant get them in styx so that doesnt matter

[vale shoal]

Yea game does not tell you much…is there anyway to find places to fish only found 1 so far

[rapid storm]

its in every area of the game, sometimes zag says something about it, sometimes not, just gotta look for it

[dusty vault]

You'll hear a ding sound at the end of a chamber (if it's a combat chamber) or as you enter if is a shop/npc room

Basically any room with a source of water can have a fishing spot

[vale shoal]

Sorry for the questions hard to find clear answers

[vale shoal]

Then a spot lights up right?

[rapid storm]

the fishing spot will be lit up the moment you enter the room, so you just need to look around if you werent too sure if you heard a ding at the beginning of combat, and for shop/npc rooms, theyre normally small enough to notice(i still miss them a bunch ngl)

[vale shoal]

Thanks all just beat him.

The Zeus aspect on shield was key didn’t get Zeus the whole run 🙁

[sweet brook]

lmfao

shield good

[vale shoal]

What should be my focus now? I’m working on giving nectar to all 1 time

[rapid storm]

Yeah basically that and then progressing story or trying ||heat|| for more difficulty, or you could try with the other weapons, get titan blood for all aspects or whatever, theres a lot more to do than just beating the final boss the first time, also, get 5 different aspects unlocked pretty soon, something special will happen when you talk to someone after that(i would be a bit more specific on who but i dont remember)

[vale shoal]

I have to be honest as of now I can’t see how to beat the last boss with out the shield during the last part

[rapid storm]

you just need to learn how each of the gods are better for each weapon, something that should help is higher damaging things like the bow benefit more from percentage based boons, so like aphrodite, athena, and artemis because of the crits, faster attacking things like the gun and fists are better for flat damage things, like dio and zeus

also like what boons to put poms into, how to set up your build, its a lot but it doesnt take as long as you'd think to figure out(at least in my experince)

[serene wyvern]

if using the Zeus keepsake for the guarantee and increased rarity, after i complete tartarus should i swap it out at the display, as the guarantee is now used

trying to work out if I'm using keepsakes between biomes properly, whether i should just leave the zeus keepsake for the full run

[midnight apex]

Yes

The guarantee does not stack between biomes

So you should swap off into another gods boons that you want

For example, swapping off into Aphrodite for the Smoldering Air duo boon if you have a good call

Or getting Poseidon dash

[serene wyvern]

got it so my plan would be Tartaurs Zeus keepsake, then swap for another god keepsake that i want for the run, then elysium pick some other keepsake as i should have the boons setup from the gods i want

I take a good plan for a run is to pick 2 gods i want to go with, instead of just focussing on say one god zeus, as the chances of getting multiple boons from the same god are reduced

or is that not how it works and it is completely random what gods boons you will be offered

[jovial knoll]

Wait what? Keepsakes dont work on 2 different floors?

[midnight apex]

No

[midnight apex]

Perfect

[midnight apex]

2/3 gods yes

[midnight apex]

There will be some rng involved, but you should be able to get most of the boons you want if you play your cards right

[serene wyvern]

ok so for a run try and focus on 3 gods that i want say that complement the bow and work together and then there will be some randomness but i should be able to get a build i want

[median sphinx]

accurately speaking, effects of keepsakes do extend between biomes, but the guarantee that a boon from a god will appear is not "first boon of each biome" but only "the first boon you see after you equip it"

[dusty vault]

(to be hyper specific, the force boon part will keep working until you pick up the boon)

[jovial knoll]

i seeee

[covert tinsel]

The contractors desk or administration room? First

I freed ||orpheus||

[dusty vault]

Desk is more in run upgrades, admin room is for past runs stats/some story plots later

[static ibex]

how do i get more titan blood?

[rapid storm]

beat the the fury sisters with different weapons for the first time, and also the final boss gives titan blood too, after that, you can do ||heat|| which makes it harder, but its the main way for the rewards from the bosses, also the wretched broker can give deals for titan blood

[rapid storm]

just making sure you saw this bc i didnt reply when i answered it

[static ibex]

Thank you!

[outer flint]

How do I get more blood

• beating the first boss for the first time with a weapon will net you one blood.
• final boss drops another + after that you unlock the best way to farm blood.
  other sources:
  trading for it at the lounge:
• 1 ambrosia for 1 T.blood is always there.
• 15 keys for 1 blood which is super good
• list of minor prophecies.
• Charon may sell one blood for 1200 gold at the last area shop

Bit more in-depth copy-paste thingy we have

[tall aspen]

Also certain minor prophecies

[dusty vault]

For what is worth I haven't included those cuz pretty sure they are all post first escape?

[tall aspen]

Ye

I think so

[vale shoal]

I came here and got advice to use Zeus shield and it got me my 1st clear.

Any advice on the next weapon? If I can’t block I feel I have to have a deflect of some sort

[dusty vault]

Do you know how the dash iframes work?

That aside, is not that bad of an idea to use Athena's keepsake to get her dash in asphodel

[vale shoal]

No only 22 runs in…still learning please explain

[dusty vault]

During a dash you can't be hit at all during until it ends

But, if you do any kind of attack (dash strike/special/cast) the iframes get cancelled immediately

So if you gotta dodge you can't be attacking

Which is a bit of a decision skill cuz dash strikes are often your best choice for dps

(also why +dashes are so strong)

[vale shoal]

I feel the duo boss and last boss is going to hard with out a deflect or some way to avoid all that chaos

[dusty vault]

While Athena's dash doesn't offer extra iframes, any deflected attack can't hurt zag so is always nice to have

[dusty vault]

#h1-for-new-players message heroes tips, theseus is a message below the linked one

There's a video of me doing the fight with fists/no divine dash if you scroll down a bit from there

You also have stuff like calls offering iframes upon activation

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1251747791982821466/CallIframe.mp4?ex=666fb479&is=666e62f9&hm=4513451b890bc6e15f9f40dfd2cac1b49085fea5c739f994e53fc1aa6ed492f8&

So you can do this

Also using the right keepsakes can help a lot

[vale shoal]

What do you feel is the next weapon after shield to try and get down?

I think I can clear most times with shield and 1 heat if I play slow

But no rewards to upgrade so I need to diversify

[dusty vault]

I'd prob recommend bow/rail?

Overall you can also just keep doing zeus shield and climb heats to get rewards for other weapons

Zeus shield is strong even at lvl 1 as long as you get zeus's special

[dusty vault]

Zag bow is cheap to max for the benefit it provides, eris rail is strooong

Also checking your mirror would help

[unreal anchor]

Eris rail is a lot of fun, Chiron bow is my personal favorite

[vale shoal]

Wait how you mean because as I add heat I get new rewards?

I beat it with Zeus shield doom aspects..didn’t have Zeus…now I have Zeus keepsake for the special

[dusty vault]

You kill boss with weapon = get bounties
Once you claim all bounties you can add the heat the game asks you for to refresh those bounties

Then once you beat final boss at 1 heat you can go to 2 heat and so on (until 20)

[vale shoal]

Ok so each new weapon kill or each heat level gives new rewards (like the diamonds show back up or blood)

[dusty vault]

Yup

What you can't do is kill furies at 1 heat, die, then go to heat 2 to claim blood again

You gotta kill the final boss at current heat (you can still use higher heat, it will just count as your current lowest for bounties purposes)

What you can do tho, is go kill furies at heat 1 with weapons you haven't escaped yet

0 heat/1 heat is an exception and can be "skipped"

So that's another easy 5 blood for you rn

[vale shoal]

Side note: what’s the easiest heat mechanic for new players

[dusty vault]

Do extreme measures 1 if you have it unlocked

The change is not bad and the rest of the run is unaffected

[vale shoal]

The big green ring you have to dodge through?

[dusty vault]

Oh that's something you'll see later

Most bosses have something extra after a few wins against

Boss 1 has the other 2 furies/hydra's different head colors have different effects

The champions get their friendship arc that culminates in a new tag team move

[vale shoal]

So did another run trying to get a good shield build. Unfortunately it seems i really have to learn what everything does. So did i upgrade right priorities?

Aspect 13/hit
Heart Strike level 5
Empowering flight 80%
Pressure Points level 4
Explosive return 50dmg

250 max life

Had 2 lives left so probably could have been more optimal at some point

[midnight apex]

13/hit?

Like those boons look fine

[midnight apex]

Ohhhh Zeus

I think

Wait idk

What aspect?

[vale shoal]

aspect of Zues

[midnight apex]

You want smt on your special then

[vale shoal]

please explain

[midnight apex]

Aspect of Zeus is an incredible safe aspect that focuses on throwing out and controlling the specialised special. Combined with a Zeus boon and static discharge, it can do very respectable damage

On the other hand, your strike is frankly somewhat underwhelming in comparison

[vale shoal]

I only had 1 chance to use zues.. i used the keepsake off the begging.. i figure felt for the 2nd level i should get a % based increase so went with Aphrodite keepsake… should have used another for 3rd but wasnt sure if id have life left over but the vid noob put out helped me 🙂

[vale shoal]

so as i came across poms, what should i have upgraded?

[midnight apex]

Static discharge if we were to use my example, but I’m assuming we’re talking about your run?

Did you really only have 2 boons?

(The other two are hammers)

[vale shoal]

yes my run ..
i got heart break, empowering flight, pressure points, explosive return

[midnight apex]

That’s a concerningly small amount of boons

Like, literally two

[vale shoal]

well as im new my strat was to just slow play and stack life.

so i go for hearts… it takes me about 45/50 mins for this 2nd clear

[midnight apex]

Then pressure points would’ve been the better option, cuz poms get less powerful the more you upgrade them.

[vale shoal]

i did notice that i didn’t need acorn or tooth for 2nd area or really even the 3rd.. so i could have manipulated those next time for more

[midnight apex]

However, for pressure points, it consistently goes up by 1%, nothing less

[vale shoal]

oh? soft cap diminishing returns start when?

this game makes you learn everything.. and lol its not easy to find the info

[midnight apex]

I’m not an expert on the topic, but I do know percentage boons like Aphrodite scale worse than flat damage boons or boons that lose power very slowly (hangover, pressure points)

[vale shoal]

gotcha.. also so i dont waste time spreading out nectar.. after they all have 1.. who should i concentrate on 1st?

[midnight apex]

You should depending on your situation

Like, do some poms on your strike (2-3 is what I do)

Oh wait

[midnight apex]

Give it to your fav character

[vale shoal]

no META?

[midnight apex]

Assuming you have all the keepsakes already

[vale shoal]

i dont have all.. im missing a lot but when i look at Hearts with characters im missing 2. But there are 7 + locks at the bottom row

[midnight apex]

Ignore the bottom row for now

[midnight apex]

Do you have all the Olympians

[vale shoal]

sorry it was 12 im missing but only 2 people not discovered and 2 characters dont have their 1st nectar

[midnight apex]

There is, but apart from getting all the olympians it’s just up to you what you like until you reach higher levels

[vale shoal]

lol i need a spoiler chart so i can see … when i look at the list it shows 2 people not discovered and 2 discovered (hades / dura). but it shows 6 on the top not found

[midnight apex]

E.g Eurydice acorn, Charon hourglass and Hypnos purse is probably the best, but you’ll be fine without them

Shackle is also pretty nice (Sisyphus)

[vale shoal]

my goal is to make things easier… i fought the shop guy and he destroyed me so i know im missing a lot of those diamond architect builds

[vale shoal]

never seen Sisyphus

[midnight apex]

Diamond architect builds?

[vale shoal]

yea like i gave him 2 diamonds and then he opened up more of the shop that sells upgrades associated with mirror passives for diamonds.

seems to be important

[vale shoal]

nvm i have that keepsake

[static ibex]

how to get more diamonds?

[dusty vault]

The upgrades to the meta resources (fated keys and alike)

[dusty vault]

Kill the hydra with each of your weapons

Outside of that, there's some prophecies/charon's shop in the 4th biome can sell 1 for 1k gold, fishing, broker at the lounge

[static ibex]

can i get more if the color of the hydra changes or smt like that

[dusty vault]

You'll have to complete a run first for that

[jovial knoll]

i keep seeing ppl say varatha is a special wep, but i cant imagine ever using it for that, most my runs i dont even get a special boon unless its something like hades boosting it but no dedicated boons

cos the dmg just feels looow

[dusty vault]

For zag/hades spear you want exploding launcher and charged skewer for that

Hidden spear needs charged skewer (and can't get exploding but it's default special is basically that already)

[jovial knoll]

cool imma try dat and see how it goes

do you just weave it in w normal attacks ?

[bleak badge]

uh this game is kinda fire

[somber frigate]

Weave it with dash-strikes not standing strikes usually

[vale shoal]

Can anyone give me a reliable build to clear with besides the shield with Zeus aspect. I’m on ||heat|| 3
I’m struggling with other weapons.

[dawn oxide]

try and do a zeus attack with artemis dash on the spear

[dawn oxide]

dash-strikes are really strong and especially once you get a hermes boon or two and the repeat hammer it gets really strong

[midnight apex]

Zeus special, get static discharge

[midnight apex]

Also censor ||heat||

[midnight apex]

Then get Aphrodite attack, Zeus aid, and the smoldering air duo boom

Zeus special is extremely reliable tbh, it needs like 2 boons (lightning flourish and static discharge) and it’s good. The rest are just useful.

[dawn oxide]

i think he was looking for another build type though?

[midnight apex]

Ah yes they were

I misread

Hmmm

[midnight apex]

Demeter fists, Zeus attack, Aphrodite/Artemis special, and Poseidon dash. Grab static discharge.
Or the same boons on aspect of Eris rail

[dawn oxide]

thats pretty good

[bleak badge]

when i die i need to defeat the first level boss again?

[dusty vault]

Yes

[vale shoal]

What aspect

[vale shoal]

What aspect

[sweet brook]

They said Demeter fists lmao

[sweet brook]

Probably use Achilles

Might as well take use of the extra movement and bonus attack damage

[vale shoal]

Do you have a go to sword build?

[midnight apex]

Aspect of nemesis, Artemis attack, Aphrodite special, Poseidon dash, going for heart rend

[turbid root]

Does anyone have any tips and such on how to get through Megaera + the hydra 🥹

[vale shoal]

Ok what about if I only have aspect of zag?

[somber frigate]

Can do same thing just a little less effective

Otherwise just swap artemis strike for zeus strike and aim for jolted

[fresh bridge]

or do ares attack

[vale shoal]

What hammers?

[somber frigate]

Sword is so basic between it’s aspects that u cans um it up as

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1384552487045824553/image.png?ex=690b6a7c&is=690a18fc&hm=9dd13bc5b8f90b63f77fc95bf539f597b7ea5b233058440646dea2e2c16b4a3a&

[vale shoal]

So all these booms do they categorize themselves? I noticed some are % increase and some additive.

[somber frigate]

All +% is additive with other +%

[vale shoal]

I checked pins here and builds never saw a tier list that is so helpful

[somber frigate]

It’s more like every other weapon is a bit more dependent on aspects for which hammers matter

so sword is the only one where this is possible to sum it up

[vale shoal]

What are these?

Nvm I see ..they are hammer upgrades

[somber frigate]

only for sword

Sword hammers

[somber frigate]

Like how core strike and special boons break down into additive +% and flat damage?

[vale shoal]

Yea I mean to legit understand the possibilities it’s crazy with out some rules

So it’s like there should be a baseline formula:
get this aspect run these gods (even with rng)
upgrade this as priority 1st

Diminish returns start at “x”

[somber frigate]

Unless a boon has linear scaling off the bat, they typically immediately hit diminishing returns because every pom after the first has ~0.7x value of the last until they hit linear scaling

which happens at the latest by level 7

depends on the boon

[vale shoal]

So a rule is upgrade wide not deep?

[somber frigate]

Not really? Since some boons really get way more value frompoms

Some boons are only going to want a pom or two from you and the others are just worth it to dump all your poms into after that regardless of the diminishing returns (like jolted, doom and tidal dash)

or your cast for a cast build

[vale shoal]

No logic to this? Just memorize the boons and effects? I really hope that’s not how it’s designed

[somber frigate]

Wdym how building theory is “designed”

[vale shoal]

How do I know what boons to invest deeper in? The normal approach would be invest with those that have a stronger return 1st but how do I know?

[vale shoal]

I’ve been theory crafting for a long time. Most games have set formulas in the back end. In the front end they label them “per say” by categorizing the buff / debuff etc

Then you plug those variables back into the formula

[somber frigate]

you kind of just have to learn which ones have strong returns from the people who know or from personal experience like nothing in game is going to tell you that tidal dash has a strong damage return aside from looking at how much value the first pom is and understanding how much value tidal dash intrinstically provides

[vale shoal]

No data mine? No charts or tiers made by the community?

[somber frigate]

Yeah there have been datamines and yeah we know which values happen for which amount of poms

but practically applying that is seperate

Using that data in practice comes with game sense and time

or learning which values really matter a lot from other people can help to an extent but it’s still a generalisation

[vale shoal]

I’m just shocked I can’t get the data to see. I can at least pause the game make the analysis and move on

[somber frigate]

get what data

Pom values? Rarity values? We have those

I can literally pull up like

[vale shoal]

Like I just got deadly strike 3…I.l noticed the 15% start was now only 6%

I want to be able to pause and go to a chart / tier something to see the optimal choices even if a range

[somber frigate]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1087177322844663898/output.png?ex=690bf1c8&is=690aa048&hm=9c290daa7d8e1259562af897e0bb1d94b758c0406664475693846f38c48a63b2&

Stuff like this is possible because we know those numbers

If you want a comprehensive source here

https://cpecific.github.io/hades-wiki/

[vale shoal]

What do the colors mean

[novel swift]

Rarity

[somber frigate]

It’s so hard to develop a mathematical model for the optimal choices for a build

It’s going to rely on your knowledge and intuition

[novel swift]

Ye

Builds in this game are too context based and complex

[somber frigate]

It would be hard to model how many strikes you’re going to do compared to how many dashes you do on rail or etc

[vale shoal]

Am I get a chart like that per boon?

[somber frigate]

no that’s from hellfire bot which is dead now

The website just lets you check the values for rarities and pom numbers

[vale shoal]

That just showed me to not upgrade deadly strike to 3 and do heartbreak flourish instead ..if I understand correctly

[novel swift]

Ye

[somber frigate]

no

I didn’t just grab something that tells you to swap your strike boon I grabbed something that shows you the value of aphro strike with different rarity and pom values

[novel swift]

Shackle

flourish

[somber frigate]

there isn’t a nebulous website that will tell you exactly what to do

Nor a program

That’s just not pheasible

[somber frigate]

There isn’t a program that will tell you what to do, just give you the information for you to make the decision

[vale shoal]

But as I asked for builds ..you all were able to rattle off builds to use that you felt were stable at low ||heat||

[novel swift]

that's more of an outline for a build

[vale shoal]

well that’s a start

I don’t want a degree in Hades lol

[novel swift]

you can find a bunch of good build outlines here https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide

[somber frigate]

Knowing the core components for a build and generally what to level for a build are different than making the optimal decision every single time

and unfortunately there isn’t a program that will give you that optimal leveling path you were asking about earlier

so we can give generalisations or help in specific cases

[vale shoal]

Where can I learn that?

Core components and the general principles I would love to learn

[novel swift]

best way to learn is by playing the game tbh

[somber frigate]

^this gives you an assortment of builds for each aspect then just ask based on the build

Otherwise that yeah

[vale shoal]

If I may be honest, outside of a shield it seems you are forced into a get good play style if you can’t get a deflect

[somber frigate]

Very much

[vale shoal]

That’s not good design imo. Not if you want it to be balanced. The get good isn’t super hard but it’s still a focus. Heck even night reign gives more to be less sweaty

[somber frigate]

I can’t think of any roguelites that don’t expect you to get good

That’s kind of the idea

unless I’m misinterpreting what you mean

You are expected to die a rather hefty amount as you go through the game

[vale shoal]

No , like let’s assume we have to get good. We have to beat the boss. Ok fine. Now it seems from that moment on you are focused down a very rng path that will make it easier or sweatier and most of the time sweatier.

I just unlocked the last part of the mirror so I hope some of that rng can be altered

I don’t in any way feel my character is getting stronger, just me. Since blood is locked behind using multiple weapons I only get to feel stronger with the shield

[somber frigate]

The last partif the mirror offers a fair amount of control yeah

So do the work orders

I find you have enough control over your build regardless of the aspect you’re using between keepsakes, the mirror and your decisionmakin

the main thing that never really changes is your hammer consistency

and chaos availablity

[vale shoal]

Well I have yet to experience that. Maybe I need to just keep raising up h to get more blood with shield so I can be effective on other weapons.

[keen elm]

once u start getting keepsakes and gradually get better at clearing early chambers and bosses it'll become a lot easier to make your build

[night echo]

got my first clear 21 runs in 😄😄

[brisk jungle]

How can I get titans blood?

[viscid notch]

Defeat the first boss using different weapons. After you beat the game you unlock another way to do it. You can also get a sizable amount from prophecies.

[brisk jungle]

Thx

I don't know it because I play only with spear but now I will try another weapon

[unborn kiln]

Also by beating the final boss you get titans blood

[brisk jungle]

I'm only can beat 2 locations and dies in Elysium

[tame current]

Hi

Anyone here can tell me how to win against Theseus? I keep dying there

[dusty vault]

#h1-for-new-players message heroes tips, theseus is a message below the linked one

[cedar nymph]

hey guys, any tips with dealing those rats in the area before I give cerberus his meal?

they give lots of damage if I get poisoned ....

I know that there are like anti posion wells but still xd

guess I should you use more ranged spells I i have them

😆

[midnight apex]

The big ones or the small ones

[cedar nymph]

big rats are harder to deal with obviously 🙂 but sure I could use advice for both 😉

[midnight apex]

Big rats is really about either keeping your distance or killing them as fast as possible while ensuring you can get to a well quickly

And dashing. A lot.

[cedar nymph]

tnx 🙂

[dusty vault]

You can also do the poseidon strat

Take his cast or dash + breaking wave = gg

[brazen moss]

i recommend pausing, and seeing where the wells are before you start combat

so if you do get poisoned you know where to go

[cedar stone]

Dionysus festive fog for stun could help too

Or Aphrodite's Charm

Just a side tips really

Personally I find the satyr more annoying

[dusky jay]

why is the highest ||heat|| i can get is 42 when the max is supposed to be 63?

[midnight apex]

Max is 64 actually, and it’s probably cuz you haven’t finished your mirror

And also censor ||heat||

[dusky jay]

idk ive seen ||extreme measures|| on 4 and the most i can do is 3, i know there is one that unlocks from mirror but what about the higher levels for others

[midnight apex]

I believe you unlock them after credits, but take that with a grain of salt cuz I genuinely don’t remember

It’s just a gut feeling

[dusky jay]

just gonna download a 100% save so i can do my shenanigans

[fresh bridge]

its after credits yes

[midnight apex]

Yay

[tame current]

Hiya. How the hell can I get strong enough to beat theseus again? He is stumping me

[cedar nymph]

@brazen moss @cedar stone hey, tnx for the tips. Srry, I just saw messages 🙂

[candid silo]

Guys, an urgent question: with Rail (Hestia) + Zeus attack, which of the following hammers?

Explosive Fire
Ricochet Fire
Seeking Fire

I already have Addled assault (44% against undamaged), but I also use Hazard Bomb as an opener for that reason.

So maybe Explosive Fire would go best with Addled Assault? Not sure

I'd probably like a choice suited best for the redacted fight as I'm in the last third.

[candid silo]

Hide behind pillars, wreck his best buddy first and then annihilate him.

[tame current]

I finally did. Oh and how do I clear the final biome. Also ||Hades|| is too strong lmao

[midnight apex]

Censor that boss’ name

[tame current]

Ok!

[midnight apex]

Ty!

And also congrats on beating Theseus and Asterius

[tame current]

THANKS but uh ||hades|| revive was so what I was expecting when I had below 20 hp. I died that run to him

Hey uh how to get more Titan blood, diamond and ambrosia? I don't seem to get it anymore. Also the bow and gun is so hard to use

[somber frigate]

You only get them the first time you kill each boss w/ each weapon prior to ||a successful escape||

[somber frigate]

Bow is pretty tough starting out, you pretty much have to be dash-striking and learn the powershot rhythm for the most part

[tame current]

Ugh it is so hard. I never use it even with that black shine

[tame current]

So after a ||successful|| run I can get as many as I want?

Ugh I have to beat him now huh....

And how to use ambrosia?

I used 1 of my 2 to get one titan blood

[somber frigate]

You unlock a way to make them give you more

[somber frigate]

You have to max your relationship with a character and then complete their favour to unlock their last heart(s) to use ambrosia

[somber frigate]

It’s definitely rough to learn but it does get a lot better

likeee

here

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1192630956448817193/2024010419473301-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.mp4?ex=69108de2&is=690f3c62&hm=35439c66650527e4398934342fe56f5299608a47cb7a7b386257003f0fdb62f3&

it takes practice but you can definitely make bow work, and make it fast

[tame current]

How the hell it is doing that much damage

[tame current]

Any rewards for that?

And I guess I need to give nectar for it?

To reach the last one

[somber frigate]

Yeah

[somber frigate]

Only a few characters give you anything, the rest is pure story / you need high relationships w/ the olympians for the epilgoue

[somber frigate]

Epic aphro strike + perfect should be like 175 damage per perfect dash-strike, x zag bow crit chance

also I had hydraulic might for like an extra 37-40 damage per shot at the start of the clip

[tame current]

I think I am gonna stay out of it until at least I beat the final once

[humble ridge]

What the hell is that damage

😭

[tame current]

I AM SOOOO MAD AHHHHHHH I MANAGED TO GET ||HADES|| TO 25 PERCENT HEALTH ||SECOND PHASE|| AND I DIED AHHHH

I am sooo gonna get Demeter's blessing again

It might have been cause I purged the attack stacking chill blessing. Gonna kill myself for thay

That

Also it was the Shield I used in that run

So cool with that aspect

Zeus I think

[silent ice]

anyone can help telling me how to unlock the hidden aspects of each weapon? and how to unlock the 6 locked stashes in keepsakes?

[tame current]

The locked stash is a companion if I remember. You need to give nectar to 6 characters, 5 times I think and use ambrosia to unlock the heart with a lock on them. You can search the hades Fandom for which characters

Others will have lore bits I think

[silent ice]

Thanks

[tame current]

Np

[tame current]

Dusa is one of them i think and only 2 can be used at the final boss

[dusty vault]

||you can get permission for the rest||

[tame current]

How

[dusty vault]

Iirc, ||need 5+ hearts on dad/1 summon that works vs him by default and one that doesn't then eventually dad talks you about this permission.||

[silent ice]

I should have some free time tomorrow, will login and check then send some ss if it doesn’t work

[hidden mountain]

Should i get this game as my first roguelite

[midnight apex]

Yeah sure

[somber frigate]

[midnight apex]

It might be difficult, but this is as good a place as any to start

[hidden mountain]

should i get it on switch or pc

[somber frigate]

As someone who has it on both, I prefer my switch since I can play handheld

But I imagine if you particularly care about graphics to a high degree you’d want your pc? I don’t mind the graphics but I have seen some people take issue with the switch

[willow wind]

is heart of titan the only way to get it is buying from secret shop before hades ?

[tame current]

What is that?

You mean ||titan's blood?||

[willow wind]

yes

[tame current]

You can get it when you beat both the first and last boss the first time with each weapon and ||after you beat final boss rhe first time you seemingly get something called pact of punishment. This allows you to get debuffs in return for increasing some meter which allow you to get the bounty of each boss. Each meter increase by one every final boss death||

The Broker at house of hades and the Charon shop at styx also sell it

[tame current]

Also I rather you use it for one aspect of each weapon

[willow wind]

I see, thank you! question about the broker

after you beat on the elysium boss you getorange juice jar thingy

what is that for ?

how di i covered spoiler on discord ?

[tame current]

Ambrosia right? It is for ||using on a character once you reach 5 hearts with them after giving 5 nectar to them first. 6 different characters like Dusa and Meg gives something called a companion which follow you and deal damage to enemies. At the Codex and at npcs and gods you can see the heart meter. The first heart gives you their keepsakes and after the 5th, you will see a heart with a lock. Ambrosia is needed to unlock it. Only 6 characters give companions while others are either lore bits or have something important later. I suggest saving it for characters you want and use the rest at Broker deals which are valuble||

You need to focus on Titan blood and Diamond and one is for aspects and one is for contractor which can improve your gameplay

Had to research T_T

Anything else you wanna ask?

[willow wind]

oh WOW! Thank you so much for this insight! really appreciated!

Just started now i know what to focused on

[tame current]

Np

[willow wind]

Thank you Again senpai!

[tame current]

Even I had that question.

[tame current]

Ahhh not a senpai!! I am new like you but I like to research

Straight from random

||Ambrosia is used to:

Increase your affinity with other characters (56 Ambrosia to max out everyone)
Increase the rank of Chthonic Companions (10 Ambrosia each, 60 Ambrosia to max out all of them)
Purchase the Lovely Theme and Sonorous Theme from the House Contractor (15 and 10 Ambrosia each, 25 Ambrosia together)
Purchase ranks from the Resource Director (10 Ambrosia total along with other currencies).
Purchase Titan Blood from the Wretched Broker indefinitely
Fully upgrading all companions, maxing out everyone's Affinity, obtaining all Resource Director ranks (not including non-Ambrosia currencies), and purchasing the Lovely and Sonorous Themes requires a total of 151 Ambrosia .||

[willow wind]

😱

this will take forever to complete

[tame current]

Agreed

[tame current]

||Oh and try to get the fishing rod when you can
Some chambers will have a pool where you see a white shining dot on it. If you can get rare fish, you can trade it to the chef at the lounge of Hades to get rewards. Ambrosia is one of them. Although tbh I suck at the timing and almost never get a fish.||

[willow wind]

wait whatt ? you can fishing. i need to look for that

[tame current]

Yes. Even I was kinda stumped when i saw a fishing rod at the Contractor

I kinda forgot something about the Ambrosia but I dunno what it is 🤣

[tame current]

You need a diamond which you need to beat the f r e a k I n g ||bone hydra||

[willow wind]

back to farming T_T

[tame current]

Same

I accidently used a titan blood for 200 gems 💀

[cedar stone]

It's not so bad tbh

You'll get too much of it later

And you'll have your own favorite aspects from each weapons too

Unless you really gonna plan to spread your investment of max level for all weapons

You'll mostly just get 1 to 3 at most aspects leveled up from each weapons imo

So you could trade some of them when the special deal comes out

[tame current]

tbh i want to know how to unlock each of that locked aspect cause it may be good i wonder? i heard i need to use 5 titan blood for each weapon but i think there is more to it

oh and i need to use the rail in this run so which available aspect is good to use please?

[willow wind]

I just beat hades, and all skill pop out. what is that? i accidently leave the screen when im about to ask the question here

[dusty vault]

There's a question mark at the bottom that makes that explanation pop up again

In short
Difficulty modifiers, each one is worth X amount of heat > by using enough heat you can get the boss drops again on a weapon you already got them

[willow wind]

so is not pre skilled right, where you can choose to start with permanetly ?

[dusty vault]

Yeah they aren't buffs if you mean that

[willow wind]

Thank you!

[somber frigate]

Are you talking about the victory screen?

[willow wind]

yes

[somber frigate]

The game automatically chooses some to display for aesthetics

[willow wind]

what aesthetics meaning ? just for achievement picture ?

[median sphinx]

in the victory screen:

• the game selects random perks you got during the run
• tho you can select your own set of boons that you got with A
• you get to screenshot it (and maybe share it in #h1-victory-boasting)
• you also see some stats for your run and your save file

btw I also accidentally pressed B after my first win so I also didn't have my ss for it

[willow wind]

I see, so thats how you FLEX your victory with HADES!

thank you

[silent ice]

Kind newbie question but what is ambrosia?

[willow wind]

its the orange juice JAR, dont quote me on this but you will get first orange juice from elysium boss in my first run

[silent ice]

oh yea i know which one you are talking about

[willow wind]

theres two different orange juice, one called nectar (with round bottle) and ambrosia (with typical liquor bottol)

[tame current]

You get it from the ||Theseus boss. The Broker and the Head chef also gives it if you have the needed currency, bounty or the limited deal from the Broker or giving a Bass to the Head Chef after fishing||

[tame current]

You can get it from Elysium boss ||once for every weapon used in a run so 6 the first time, then you can get it again for heat runs||

[dire orchid]

Can you cross save this game between PlayStation five and Nintendo switch?

[coarse thunder]

how can I download hades 1? for free

[merry zinc]

you buy it from approved retailers

[crystal glade]

You don't

It's worth it, just pay the $25-30

[dire orchid]

Trying to imagine going to the developer’s discord and asking how to pirate the game

[fallow arch]

It's gotta be a haha funny right

[candid silo]

I think this is all normal and part of the statistical variance, but it is funny.

Among other statistical anomalies, two times in row I get Aphrodite room (boss fight) or Ares; I get Ares three times so far in Elysium (Chamber 32 so far) and no offers on Special.

On a side note, Hoarding Slash makes a good choice if you're constantly sitting on 1k+ gold.

[candid silo]

Yeah, it's a weird feeling going into redacted fight with 1497 gold.

[somber frigate]

Honestly I’ve been disappointed in hoarding slash with 3k obols

[old mortar]

nothing a little modding wont fix

[somber frigate]

True true lemme just make it so hoarding slash is base damage instead of extra damage

[old mortar]

Or weapon does extra damage(base damage * resource item)

I also believe hoarding slash has a capped valuation

[compact onyx]

I literally just found out about this game when I saw poll over what game should GOY the other day. Hades II was on it and was puzzled over why it’s considered to be a contender, checked it out and was really impressed by the gameplay as I’ve never been all that interested in trying a supergiant game due to personal preferences but, I wanna give this one a go because of how cool a trailer I watched of it looked. Anybody have an idea of when it goes back on sale?

[outer flint]

From what you've said, it seems like your asking when Hades 2 will be on sale again. This is the Hades 1 channel, but to answer your question, both games will probably be on sale during the steam holiday sale

[compact onyx]

Nah I’m asking about Hades, sorry if I wasn’t clear lol

[compact onyx]

The first one

[outer flint]

They will probably both be on sale on steam

During the holiday sales

[compact onyx]

Okay cool, when was the last sale?

[outer flint]

It starts December 18 officially and runs to January 5th

[frosty kettle]

maybe black friday

[outer flint]

Forgot about that, yeah it might be on black Friday too

[frosty kettle]

MAYBE cuz i got a few games on black friday

[somber frigate]

I’ve never heard this mentioned in like 4 years here nor the speedrunning server

Are you sure?

[old mortar]

It’s a format. You can pretty much make anything in the game do what you want with mods. So if you wanted to make the hoarding slash hammer do a static damage value, then you figure out what the defined values are, and go from there. If I remember correctly, hoarding slash does 5% of current Obols.

You could make a mod that removes or changes the cap (if there is one, im not sure), changed the percentage to a static number and then, voila op weapon

I also don’t know if you’re trolling me. 😂

[fresh bridge]

it doesnt have a capped value lol

and hoarding is applied right at the end of the damage calculation so after all other % calculations iirc even after crits are applied

[somber frigate]

There isn’t a cap to my knowledge

[somber frigate]

As it’s extra damage (one of two sources in game, other being Merciful End), it is added after the entirety of the damage calculation

So that’s after both additive and crit damage

[leaden whale]

Ive done 20 runs and im stuck in the Elysium any tips (srry if my english is not perfect im french)

[cedar stone]

What problems do you face the most?

The mobs?

The bombs and the spear traps?

The bossfights of Theseus and Asterius?

For hazards I believe you should had got acquainted with Tartarus and Asphodel's maps hazards and traps too

[leaden whale]

The boss fight

[cedar stone]

Ah

Which part of the bossfights do you face trouble in?

Asterius?

Theseus?

[leaden whale]

Asterius idk how to beat him

[cedar stone]

What's your chosen weapon at the moment?

[leaden whale]

Gants

[cedar stone]

And had you ever got familiar with rpg bossfights before?

[cedar stone]

The fist?

I see

Look for an opening whenever he's done smashing and jumping to your location, avoid/deflect the stray blast of the smash strike he caused

Should be whenever he had done the smashing strike for a few seconds

[leaden whale]

Never

[cedar stone]

When he rushed towards you, aimed the direction toward any obstacles or the walls of the arena

Quite simple really, you just need to get familiar with the boss patterns and also learn timing

[leaden whale]

Thank youuu

[cedar stone]

My favorite weapon is the fist and I have fun fighting Asterius in extreme measure with it

Aphrodite's charm effects helps a lot too

The same goes for her weak effect

[leaden whale]

Yeah aphrodite is my favorite for this reason

[cedar stone]

If you want to reduce some more damage from his attacks

[cedar stone]

Don't forget Athena and Ares could also help you too with their call impervious to damage effect

You may want to lean more into safer defensive options until you get acquainted and familiar with this game, then you can slowly lean into more offensive options boons

And also playstyle

[leaden whale]

Okkk thanks 🥰

[cedar stone]

Athena is a safe option for that

Also Hermes's extra dash and sturdy effects boon

[glacial gazelle]

i've found the most consistent way to stop his charge (other than blocking it) is to dash straight through one of the pillars

[dusty vault]

You can also be silly and use call iframes

[glacial gazelle]

real

[swift tinsel]

is it fine to just be spamming one attack?

whenever I use fists I just mash special

[midnight apex]

You should probably be mashing attack instead, but if it works it works

[midnight apex]

And yes

[swift tinsel]

how come?

[midnight apex]

Zagreus bow just spams dash attack

[midnight apex]

It’s less laggy and has a higher dps if you build it correctly

[swift tinsel]

I dont really know how to build weapons

I just pick up boons that I think are cool

also is there a way to see how far you've gotten with each weapon without going into a run?

[somber frigate]

Once you’ve done your first successful escape, yes

prior, not really

[swift tinsel]

any tips for theseus and the minotaur?

[somber frigate]

bait them around so you can deal with them one at a time

If you can position yourself so there’s a pillar inbetween you and Theseus, you can deal with Asterius way easier, and then you can take on theseus in a 1v1 after

Otherwise, take it slow and learn their moves and choreographs

Your dash gives you iframes if you don’t dash-strike so you can use it to learn which moves the bosses can do and what they look like + the timing

Have you gotten Theseus to phase 2 before?

[swift tinsel]

no

I did kill asterius once

[somber frigate]

Ah then what I’d tell you would be a spoiler I don’t really want to rob the experience from you

[swift tinsel]

I saw a video on it

[somber frigate]

Alr then
||The god/goddess that helps theseus is always going to be one you don’t have in your god pool. Each god/goddess has a different attack pattern for the floor pattern attack, which is pretty obvious, but they also help out theseus in their own way, like aphro letting theseus attacks make you weak with her debuff||

in general just keep on your toes and don’t stay in one place really when he’s doing those

[somber frigate]

This is a pretty good start

figuring out what you like to take and what actually works well

[swift tinsel]

what are the best mirror upgrades?

[stone current]

Depends on how you want to build around your run

[somber frigate]

from the top
Shadow Vs Fiery Presence sorta depends
Cthonic vitality is pretty much always better value than dark regen
Death Defiances / Stubborn defiances depends where you are in the game
Greater Reflex > Ruthless reflex except like 2 niche builds
Boiling blood generally
Infernal/Stygian soul is preference unless you’re doing a cast build, then it depends on the cast
Deep pockets
Thick skin (unless speedrunning)
family favourites (except hangover builds)
Dark foresight gives you 7 more gold laurels per run (boons, obols, hearts, poms) which is massive)
God’s Pride > Legacy unless you’re like duo hunting for prophecies or your build is dependent on 8 duos for whatever reason
Persuasion > Authority

[stone current]

@somber frigate so I'm a glutton for punishment for using Rutheless Reflex for a while for funsies

[cedar stone]

I'm a certified privileged status enjoyer

Dionysus and Aphrodite, my beloved

[glacial gazelle]

question: why is family favorites better than priviliged status? (saying this as a primarily hades 2 player used to running origination)
does the consistency of famfav just outweigh the (probably) higher damage buff privilige gives

[sweet brook]

Yeah pretty much

In hades 2 ||curses are a lot more prevalent for each god, so getting the damage boost is a lot easier||

In hades 1 only half the gods have curses without needed a t2 boon

So it's either a consistent 25% or a janky 40% that makes you do weird combos sometimes basically

[somber frigate]

consistency >>>>> the extra +15% unless your build is absolutely going to have good uptime on 2 status effects like hangover x weak or ||hera with weak x snow burst||

[sweet brook]

Also majority of the time the two good gods that work well together that an aspect wants don't have readily available curses

Realistically it's a 15% damage difference lmao

[swift tinsel]

is this a good build guide?

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-build-guide#stygian-blade

[fresh bridge]

very good, its pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat

[swift tinsel]

awesome

[dire orchid]

I was looking at the aspect leveling guide that is pinned, but it doesn’t show all of the aspects. Is there an advanced leveling guide for the aspects or suggest where to put titan blood?

Is there an advanced version of this?

[fresh bridge]

idr ||if one was ever made for the hidden aspects||

[somber frigate]

Not really

Although unironically the ||hidden aspects are either really good or they suck regardless of level (aside from Guan-Yu)||

[ripe oar]

||guan yu|| can be really good as a glass cannon build

with the right hammers the special can do crazy damage

[somber frigate]

||Guan-Yu|| is really really strong

But those levels are super impactful is what I’m saying

[ripe oar]

ohh like the amount of blood you put into it?

[somber frigate]

Yeah that’s what they were asking about

Since the aspect leveling guide pinned doesn’t cover ||the hidden aspects||

[ripe oar]

ok i get it now, not sure how i misunderstood that in the first place lol

i see i see

[compact onyx]

What are some things I should focus on at first? I’ve seen some guides say I prioritize darkness, for example. But, what about some others?

[midnight apex]

Keys

Unlock every weapon

[hidden mountain]

do i have to beat ||megaera|| every run?

or can i go straight to ||asphodel||

[merry zinc]

yes

[compact onyx]

Okay, thanks

[humble ridge]

you have to beat ||the boss of Tartarus every run, not necessarily only magaera||

[humble ridge]

1 keys
2 darkness
3 gemstones

[compact onyx]

Mmh, okay and should I trade away titans blood when I have the chance or save it?

[humble ridge]

save it till you unlock every weapon like NuggetN said

titan blood is very rare and you'll have to spend it carefully

and use it after you've tried every weapon to your satisfaction

[compact onyx]

Damn I already traded 1 of my 2 in for gemstones😭

[humble ridge]

in my opinion gemstones aren't worth titan blood as you can get em in the chambers

but if you're still a beginners in your first 10 or 20 runs then you'll still get titan blood in the boss fights so you're chill

but don't trade it for anything other than weapons aspects

[compact onyx]

Okay, thanks for telling me all this

[outer flint]

titanblood is the most important one, the other boss resources you can trade and such

[humble ridge]

yep
for example diamonds

even tho they are also rare but they're used at reception

[glacial gazelle]

hi! someone less experienced at hades 1 here
is it worth trading some of my ambrosia for titan blood or should i hang on to it

[dusty vault]

how early in the game are you

[glacial gazelle]

~16 runs, 5 clears
so not super early but not a pro by any means

[dusty vault]

how much ambrosia/blood you have atm

and what do you want the blood for

[glacial gazelle]

i remember i have 9 ambrosia
idr how much blood i've spent but i'd say i have most aspects unlocked except for the hidden aspects
i'd like to unlock each aspect first before i spend blood on upgrading them

[dusty vault]

hm, at this point I wouldn't trade ambrosia

in general I think is better to trade it pre 1st win to secure 1 strong aspect to speed through bounties/heat and then max out other aspects

if is just for unlocking more aspects I wouldn't trade at least

how much nectar you have with meg?

[glacial gazelle]

only given her one so far

probably would've given her more if she showed up in the house more often lol

[dusty vault]

happens

but yeah tl;dr if you aren't gonna commit to an aspect I wouldn't personally trade for blood

[glacial gazelle]

gotcha

[dusty vault]

but keep in mind that there's an excess of ambrosia vs what you need so trading some is fine

so your call at the end of the day

[glacial gazelle]

my plan is to unlock each aspect first and then commit to one aspect for each weapon lol

[dusty vault]

(blood is the opposite where you do need to trade/fish to get everything)

[glacial gazelle]

that is good to know

[ripe oar]

if i were you i would trade, blood is more useful to you than ambrosia at that point in the game because you probably won’t be using ambrosia for anything else anytime soon

[dusty vault]

My train of thought is like, there's no need to rush unlocking all aspects

Also some aspects play miserable at lvl 1 so

[ripe oar]

oh yeah you don’t need to be trying to unlock or max them super fast, but that ambrosia is gonna sit for a while so might as well use it to level up your weapons

[glacial gazelle]

fists of demeter taking 12 attacks for a whole +1 special hit

[dusty vault]

Hey, it could be lvl 1 Chiron/hestia

At least fists can just do lightning attack regardless

[glacial gazelle]

as someone who only has lv1 aspects rn i am in the talos fists squad lmao

[dusty vault]

the sad truth is that dem fists are the best just because the other are uh

[ripe oar]

😎

[dusty vault]

But that's more meta speaking, hell yeah Talos

[ripe oar]

talos with poseidon on attack is what i like to call the yo-yo build

it’s so funny to me

[humble ridge]

damn my first clear was at 39 run

you're good

[dusty vault]

Also yeah ^

Really good pace lol

[glacial gazelle]

would "catch and release" be a funnier name lol

[ripe oar]

that would work too

more fish themed

[glacial gazelle]

thanks 😊
tbf this technically isn't my first time playing this game cuz i've played a bit quite a while ago (though i never made it out of elysium)
and also i played a bunch of hades 2 before returning to hades 1 lol

[somber frigate]

+10% cast damage might as well be +1 special after 12 hirs

[glacial gazelle]

but funny yoink...

[dull wadi]

Guys idk why i can’t complete the queen plan’s

Last heart is locked for half the gods even if i complete what the wiki told me to do in order to get it

Like zeus is locked even if other gods have all spoken to me about him

Poseidon too even if i fished a lot and he talked to me about it

😔

I finished alsmost all the side quest with all character yet i still can’t do it

Just looked at it but even dionysos that require just giving nectar to other gods i can’t give him the final gift to forge bond

[sterile whale]

may pinoy v d2

[sonic ibex]

Is it worth buying? And if so on pc or switch 2

[sweet brook]

Definitely worth buying

PC or switch 2 doesn't really matter imo

[pearl portal]

i played mostly on switch 1 and i spent more than 150h on pc and switch combined

[sweet brook]

If you want the possibility of modding then PC, but vast majority of people don't care about that

[pearl portal]

so yeh for me it's totally worth it, i wasnt expecting falling this much into that game

[sonic ibex]

Alr thank you guys

[sweet brook]

Switch 2 there hasn't been like

An update for switch 2 or whatever for the game for graphics but idk if that really matters or not

Should still be fine since it runs fine on switch 1

[sonic ibex]

Doesnt matter to me

[pearl portal]

on steam you can buy a game and get refund if you didnt play more than 2h i think? i dont remember what's the longest time you can play before not being able to get refunded but you can try it for 1 - 1h30 and get refunded if you don't like it

[sweet brook]

Iirc it is 2 hrs yeah

2 hr play time or like after a certain amount of time of owning the game, whichever comes first iirc

[dusty vault]

2 hrs of playtime/2 weeks of owning the game

[pearl portal]

thanks for the precision

[compact onyx]

How do Ik what slots correspond with each boon type respectively?

[fresh bridge]

from top to bottom: attack, special, cast, dash, call

[dusty vault]

Each boon (except ares because why not) also shares a similar naming scheme for your cores
Attack - strike
Special - flourish
Cast - shot
Dash - dash
Call - aid

Ares's attack is curse of pain/special is agony iirc

[compact onyx]

Ok, thanks

[ripe oar]

i started playing on PC and logged 200hrs before buying it on my switch 1 and logging another 250

i think it depends on what controls you prefer really

[somber frigate]

Backwards

[slender valley]

You could do pc+xbox controller for best performance with a console feel

If that’s what feels better

[compact onyx]

||Just wrapped and cleared the underworld for the first time. What exactly is the bounty system? How does it work?||

[somber frigate]

||If you’ve already cleared an escape at a given heat (say heat 0), you now need to do heat 1 with that weapon to get boss rewards (bounties)||

[compact onyx]

||Mmh, clear the whole thing. Not just up to a certain level?||

[somber frigate]

||you need to fully escape at a given heat level before you can get rewards from the next (except heat 0, that’s seperate)||

but you do get the rewards as you kill the bosses like normal

[glacial gazelle]

mhm
||you get rewards like normal, but in order to unlock the next bounty (and thus the next set of rewards) you need to fully complete a run with the bounty active||

[compact onyx]

||Is that one of the primary sources of titan blood? By upping the heat||

[glacial gazelle]

yup

[compact onyx]

Mmh, which would you recommend I go with first. ||I turned on the time limit||

[glacial gazelle]

||tight deadline 1's a pretty good pick for first heat yeah
my personal first choice would be either extreme measures 1 or damage control 1 but that's just me||

[bold flume]

I’m at around ~ 10 attempts || and I’ve got up to about after the minotaur in elysium, || is this good progress?

[humble moss]

can I get a sword build

im on heat 1

[somber frigate]

It’s pretty quick progress yeah

[red oak]

go aspect of nemesis, run crit attack and weak special, and get artemis and aphrodite duo boon, focus on infliciting weak then attacking

[humble moss]

u tried this?

aigh

[red oak]

yeah many times

its the basic foundation you can add more boon on top of it based on your playstyle

like for example i try to get as much crit chance and damage along with seeking arrows and marked

[humble moss]

sure

ill try

[red oak]

have fun!

[humble moss]

yea

[bold flume]

Oh nice

Update: around 16 attempts and have || died to hades twice, one was the closest thing ever(idk if he gets a second hp bar but the one I saw was like 200hp left) the other one i went with 1 life so i got destroyed ||

[high idol]

hello

[high idol]

i just started this game, im liking the spear. is it a good weapon

i just cleared tartarus

[outer flint]

all weapons are good

the weapon you pick doesn't matter until late, late game

[high idol]

Idk I tried the bow I didn’t really like it, the spear is very nice tho

[outer flint]

it's all personal preference

the bow is a little hard to get used too at the start

the biggest thing with it is to use dash strikes as often as possible because they make the bow charge up faster

[high idol]

Yeah it felt weird and inconsistent doing the dash strikes, the dash strikes with the spear are way more consistent

[dusty vault]

Are you doing dash + holding attack or dash then holding attack

I find the latter much easier

[somber frigate]

how are they inconsistent?

[ripe oar]

having tried both, i like like the bow much better on gamepad than kbm

[civic swift]

||so im trying to max out the gods' hearts for the queen's plan but ive reached some sort of limit and the next heart is locked, is there any way to unlock them again?||

[sour depot]

||Which god?||

||Demeter’s lock counts as maxing it out afaik, the only other lock I know of is Hermes, where you just need to talk to him while having his keepsake at 3 stars||

[somber frigate]

The requirement to unlock any given npcs final heart is specific to that npc

their “favour”

[sour depot]

Right, but a certain character counts as having a bond if you reach the lock, for that quest specifically

[somber frigate]

||Just the one, and you do need 6 of them so you do need to complete at least 5 favours||

[sour depot]

Yeah, I know, but I was asking them which one was locked because of that

[civic swift]

||currently aphrodite, dionyus, athena and artemis||

[civic swift]

Is there any requirement for that or do i just have to keep playing until a specific dialogue shows up?

[dusty vault]

Some characters will have it as a prophecy, others can be done with just more talking

All the favors are on the wiki if necessary

[humble moss]

is second wave good for final boss

I only have poesidon dash

[civic swift]

Got it! Tysm!

[dusty vault]

Is not good in general

It only procs knockback twice, not the dmg

Tho might as well take it if you haven't at least once

For the prophecy

[humble moss]

yea I did

died to final boss sadly

got to second phase

then died instantly to a trap or something

idek what happen

Im on heat 1 so the traps are 400% stronger

[dusty vault]

||dad pots are traps||

We don't use that heat option for a reason

[humble moss]

oh what do I do

js not use it?

[dusty vault]

Yeah def use something else

Is just way too punishing for 1 heat

[humble moss]

400% 😭

[dusty vault]

Worse actually

+400%

[humble moss]

I coulda got to final boss way more times if it wasn't for it

the axes in temple of styx

😔

[hidden mountain]

wtf is ||tisiphone||

why is the arena changing

[sonic ibex]

Who should i give ||nectar?||

[somber frigate]

All the olympian gods at least once since their keepsakes are really strong for being able to actually make your own builds

[sonic ibex]

Alr ty

[warm salmon]

|| She's one of the three sisters furies you fight alongside Meg and Alecto ||

[bold flume]

|| Tisiphone is the worst one for me, The other two i can even go without getting hit a lot but tisiphone always gets me low ||

[glacial gazelle]

||alecto's the one i struggle most with tbh||

[hidden mountain]

what weapon is best and which aspect should i unlock?

[glacial gazelle]

the best weapon is the one you're most comfortable with 😊
but the meta is zeus shield

[somber frigate]

All weapons are equally viable for this stage of the game, the aspect depends on the weapon you want to use

[compact onyx]

Anybody got tips for farming darkness, gems, and keys?

[glacial gazelle]

dark thirst of course
and poseidon

[compact onyx]

Haven’t unlocked that part of the mirror yet unfortunately

Need 30 keys

[glacial gazelle]

wdym
dark thirst should be a default mechanic

it's the weapon with the purple glow

and you can force poseidon via his keepsake

[compact onyx]

Ohhh that’s what it’s called😭?

Don’t have Poseidon keepsake

Got 2 nectar tho

[somber frigate]

When in doubt with pos, his dash is amazing damage pretty much regardless of weapon, and then you just look for his secondary boons related to darkness and gemstone gain

otherwise razor shoals and breaking wave from him are cracked secondaries for tidal dash (and your tidal dash will want at least a level or two added to it, more depending on what else you have)

[compact onyx]

Okay, thanks

[sonic ibex]

What is the best thing to buy from the house contractor

[median sphinx]

Contractor's Desk, Deluxe
I hope chat agrees

[glacial gazelle]

get ||rod of fishing|| asap (i think it requires reaching the final region first)
if it's not there then go for contractor's desk deluxe

[green radish]

i just beat my first run of Hades so what next ?

[glacial gazelle]

go again! if that's not spicy enough for you, ||there's something new in the place before you start a run 😊||

[green radish]

Ok thanks

[timber rivet]

I love the arrow!!!

[glacial gazelle]

no bow, just arrow...

[rapid storm]

just run up to the enemies and poke them until they either walk away of boredom or die

[upbeat gale]

Hi so if I don't get the boons I want for a build I am building towards, what do i do? Even if i equip the keepstake to spawn certain god, I still don't get the boon.

[viscid notch]

You cant really guarantee anything. Your best bet is to use rerolls to get the boons you want. Sometimes boons have requirements so make sure you are eligible to get them before you reroll. If you are aiming for a specific build maybe someone here can help you plan ahead for it. Decision making can be quite complex in this game.

[upbeat gale]

Thanks. I equipped Zeus keepstake, but how's my very first boon from Demeter right after I start a run?

oh i see now - because i leveled zeus keepstake to lv3 - it doesnt guarantee zeus now

[viscid notch]

There is a scripted event if you're still early in the game

You'll get your Zeus afterwards

On the left side right under your core boons you can see your keepsake. Right under it there is a counter for its use count, it should say 1, once you get your zeus it disappaears indicating no more uses.

[buoyant turtle]

Ah yes, the amazing keepsTakes

Not keepsakes

KeepsTakes

[upbeat gale]

I just beat the game once - do i turn heat up 1 heat at a time or multiple at a time?

[viscid notch]

It's completely up to you. The effect is the same when it comes to bounties

[cedar stone]

Guys

Why the size difference between Hades sitting on his chair

And the hades boss we fight

Seems big?

Why is my father this small lol

[dusty vault]

Isn't his desk like comically huge

[cedar stone]

Yeah, but how does he go from big to small size

Also why?

I want my hades to be as big as he is in the house

Also how do you guys play aspect of Excalibur?

Seems interesting imo

[hidden mountain]

is there any way to get more than 6 ||titan blood||?

[dusty vault]

How do I get more blood

• beating the first boss for the first time with a weapon will net you one blood.
• final boss drops another + after that you unlock the best way to farm blood.
  other sources:
  trading for it at the lounge:
• 1 ambrosia for 1 T.blood is always there.
• 15 keys for 1 blood which is super good
• list of minor prophecies.
• Charon may sell one blood for 1200 gold at the last area shop

[high idol]

bru this game boring

[compact onyx]

Can I have a legendary and duo boom in the same run?

[sweet brook]

yes

you can have multiple of both at the same time if you get the rng

[compact onyx]

Ohh, okay thanks

[candid silo]

Sometimes an unplanned boon can solo save the run. I randomly ended up with a bland sword build which was barely doing anything until I got Artemis + Zeus duo which is now singlehandedly (see what I did there) winning me fights.

[dusty vault]

Lightning rod

[candid silo]

First time ever perfect Elysium end fight. Holy hell.

I was just dancing around.

[candid silo]

They truly are conductive.

[candid silo]

Even the redacted is not immune to cheese.

[swift tinsel]

is there a way to lose titan blood or something

cause im pretty sure ive beaten megaera with 4 different weapons but I only have 3 titan blood

2 on aspects and 1 saved

oh im dumb

mb

[random sage]

happens

[sonic ibex]

Should i upgrade aspect of chaos with 2 blood or zeus for aegis

[cyan sapphire]

How to take down that butterfly generating pink orb in Elysium using aegis ?
It's been quite difficult.
Any advice?

[somber frigate]

Zeus

Chaos shield is very underwhelming but zeus shield is literslly just free damage

[dusty vault]

Before certain unlockables that take nectar/ambrosia to get is kinda just a build check

Gotta have strong enough dmg for its armor/being able to burst down the eyes

Knockback can help with those as they only start to respawn once they are near a weapon

If your weapon has a good armor dmg hammer you can take that

[dark pecan]

I've never played a roguelike before, would hades be a good game to start?

[ripe oar]

i would say so! it was one of my first roguelikes and the first one i really loved

[dark pecan]

Thank you! I think i'll buy it then

[ripe oar]

awesome! you’re in for a treat, enjoy playing!

[somber frigate]

Do you like understand the concept of the genre?

[dark pecan]

Uhh

You have to play the game over and over again to win or something

Idk

[somber frigate]

just asking bc a fair amount of people have joined the server and gone like “why aren’t there checkpoints” or other questions along those lines

[dark pecan]

I just got interested in it because i heard about hades 2

[somber frigate]

yeah and your first win isn’t the end of the save

it’s really just the start

[dark pecan]

Oh wow

That sounds kinda complicated but i'll have to see for myself

[ripe oar]

its very narrative-driven so there’s a lot more to it than just the gameplay (which is phenomenal)

story is really important to me, which is the reason why hades stands out for me from other roguelikes

[cyan sapphire]

Alright will keep that in mind.
Thanks for the help 😃

[dark pecan]

I started playing but Meg is absolute hell😭 im lowk just mashing buttons and dashing while fighting her and the enemy spawns pmo

[glacial gazelle]

one of the most valuable skills, especially with bosses, is to learn their attacks
meg has 4 attacks, 2 of which she only starts using mid-fight, so recognize when she uses them and react accordingly
which often involves dashing lol

[dark pecan]

Yeah i know 3 of her attacks already, her blade spin, dash, and those circles on the ground. The only issue is, usually i dont have full hp from the previous rooms

[somber frigate]

take it slower and let yourself make use of the iframes empty dashes have

[glacial gazelle]

don't feel bad about getting destroyed by meg especially in your first few runs
it's better to play it safe than to rush and get hit

[hidden mountain]

any tips for ||theseus and asterius||?

im using ||aegis with zeus aspect||

[solar meadow]

||focus on asterius first, and then be patient with theseus. the special hits through theseus' shield, so throw that out and dodge the spear throws. even if you block it, he'll hit you in the back. i would also recommend an aoe cast (poseidon/aphro) to hit through the shield.|| you've got this!

||for asterius, a key element of beating him is dashing through his jump hits. since you've got the shield, he isn't as much of a problem since you can block the majority of his attacks. beware of the rush, blocking it isn't consistent so i'd recommend getting him to hit pillars instead of that||

[rose osprey]

I'm trying to replay Hades 1 I'm on vacation and I only have my laptop so it's been a bit difficult. What's the best weapon || (I have no aspects yet)|| to secure my first few wins also what's the unlock condition for ||aspects||

[somber frigate]

unlock condition for ||aspects|| is getting all the weapons

and then you need to die in a run or escape for the house of Hades to update

[somber frigate]

all the weapons are viable enough that you should be perfectly fine using whichever one you prefer

I think aspect recommendations for given weapons is more practical information

[rose osprey]

It's really hard to use the shield on the track pad and wasd I figure once I get fists unlocked I'll have a better time but idk. Currently sword has been the best since I can just dash attack into a special and aiming is kinda secondary.

[glacial gazelle]

yeah generally just pick whatever weapon you're most comfortable with. or whichever one currently has dark thirst lol
if you're most comfortable with the sword then go for it

[cedar stone]

||For me, Theseus always end up dead first||

[buoyant turtle]

That… is cold. Damn cold

[dark pecan]

Is there any way to heal after ||Asterius? Im four hp rn💔||

[dusty vault]

Nothing guaranteed

You could get a fountain, a charon well that iirc first option is always hp related? Grab centaur hearts/survive till the shop and pray there's hp

Get patroclus for defiance refills or hydralite

[dark pecan]

I died

But i had a pretty good run cause i couldn't even get past Meg before this

[solar meadow]

while demeter is normally not that good, you could always fish for nourished soul

[rose osprey]

What's the best way to deal with the poison? I forgot just how much I hate the mechanic and thinking back it's kinda why I stopped playing.

[solar meadow]

run to the cures as fast as possible! or, if you're close to the end, just kill everything quickly

the cures look like straw pools of light

[rose osprey]

Yeah the man grave pools. I do rush to them but by the time I get there I've lost 50 HP. I even tried God mode to see if it helped but I think because it's tick damage it doesn't help very much. Idk it's only 22%

[dusty vault]

Pause so you can look for the curing poisons in peace or if there's one enemy or two that you can kill quickly go rush them

The overall styx solution is flood shot/tidal dash + breaking wave

Small rooms makes the enemies play ping pong and die fast

Also do miniboss rooms first before normal encounters

Smaller rooms/less enemies

[rose osprey]

What I'm realizing is I kinda do all these things except for the pause I'll start that but I feel like I'll have a better time once I play on controller again but for the moment I might just have to stick to collecting rss. If I didn't have to deal with the poison I'm sure I could beat Hades. But since the rooms take 2 or 3 DDs I just don't have the HP

[deft sparrow]

I wanted to post a video because I'm trying to figure out what I got hit by... Is a Google photos link ok

[ripe oar]

i think you can sent it in a dm or private server and then paste the link here