h1-for-new-players

[still parrot]

i wonder what the pillar hitting rock fall mechanic is called :/ idk what the proper name is :c

[sterile solar]

Destruction (probably) 😂

[foggy moon]

i finally got my first win

[still parrot]

yay :D

[foggy moon]

that took me...

30h

wow

[still parrot]

interesting :3

[foggy moon]

shame i can't share my build here

[still parrot]

i like posidon a lot because i can get free stuff :3

[foggy moon]

i like the purple dude cuz

the alcohol

[still parrot]

wine god :3

i don't remember the name but i know the bigger more well known ones :/

zeus, posidon, hades, athena, artemis... theres a few more but these are at the top of my head :3

[sick bone]

dionysus

[sterile solar]

@still parrot HEY THERE, fancy seeing you here

[foggy moon]

btw where can i use this
thing i got from Theseus

[still parrot]

yeppers :3

[sterile solar]

Late game

Thinking of ambrosia as premium nectar

[foggy moon]

i already maxed my relationship with ares

why i cant use it?

there s like a key hole symbol

[somber frigate]

#h1-victory-boasting

[still parrot]

i love that even cerberus loves the nectar :3 i didn't expect that of all things to be possible yet it is :v

[somber frigate]

is for that

[sterile solar]

Every character has a "favor" some sort of quest, ares required you to just kill a buttload of enemies then have him trigger the dialogue associated with it

[still parrot]

interesting to note... 🗒️🖊️ never gotten that far yet :)

[foggy moon]

the 10k one?

already did it

[somber frigate]

Rock-fall makes sense

[sterile solar]

Just gotta wait for him to talk about it

[somber frigate]

also equally as not relevant for me to not know the damage numbers ngl

but it does make me interested to find them

[still parrot]

rock falls can be useful in certain scenarios they just help at defeating the enemies faster :/

[somber frigate]

For the most part I’m interested in speedrunning and high heat and the damage you do alone is usually so high that it doesn’t play a factor

[foggy moon]

btw what is the best aspect of the bow?

[still parrot]

is there any tips against shields? or do i just fight it out :/ the only thing i've been able to use to break them faster are the boons and thats it :/

[somber frigate]

For speed? It’s Hera

[somber frigate]

Like against armour (yellow hp bar)

[still parrot]

yeah its armor :|

[sterile solar]

Best depends for what

[foggy moon]

overall

[somber frigate]

for speed it’s hera, for having a stupid low skill floor (aka avoiding playing bow) it’s chiron

[viscid notch]

There are some hammers that are worth picking depending on the wep. Aside from that you’ll just want good dmg. Armor gets really tanky in the later regions.

[still parrot]

alrighty :3

[somber frigate]

Just fight it out. Breaching cross, and breaching slash are the main relevant armour shred hammers

[foggy moon]

you cant say pop?

[somber frigate]

the rest of them don’t really matter

You can’t cuss

that’s pretty much it

[foggy moon]

pop is a curse?

[somber frigate]

you just said pop your text isn’t getting blocked

dad works too

father

papa

[foggy moon]

with extra o

[somber frigate]

oh

[foggy moon]

anyway

[somber frigate]

I lowkey have never seen someone get Dyno’ed for excrement

[viscid notch]

It is what it is

[foggy moon]

i said i love exploiting the hell out of roguelike games

[sterile solar]

Overall all aspects are good

[still parrot]

im starting to see the appeal of roguelike games :3 you lose lose lose but then over time you rise up to the occasion :D

[somber frigate]

All aspects for bow are anyways

and rail

[foggy moon]

is getting max relationship with a god have a good effect?

like permanently increase the rarety or something?

[somber frigate]

No

[still parrot]

i'd like to addon to that question what do maxed out relationship do? :o

[somber frigate]

closes off their story for the most part, 6 npcs will give those locks at the bottom of the keepsake menu

gives you a little chibi

[somber frigate]

You need 6/8 of these for the epilogue

Any 6

[sterile solar]

Gameplay wise it does nothing

Just story

[sterile solar]

A cute sticker on their keepsake

[still parrot]

nice 👍

[hot haven]

I just beat hades! At what point do I fight chronos

[outer flint]

what do you mean

[somber frigate]

I got the #’s for wall slams but it is fully dependent on velocity outside of breaking wave which

isn’t exactly useful

[rapid storm]

just died to a projectile that was far out in the middle of nowhere

tragic

[austere sparrow]

how can i unlock the 2 last weapons

[novel swift]

get all the other weapons unlocked than do a run

all being the other 4

[austere sparrow]

i just need to unlock all 4?

[austere sparrow]

how can i get the codex

[somber frigate]

Yap to achilles after every run till he gives it up

[austere sparrow]

how can i yap to him

[somber frigate]

Go to him in the house of Hades after your run

[austere sparrow]

where is he located in the house

[somber frigate]

Literally like straight north of dad

You should take a second to just familiarise yourself with the house it’s not that large

although the npcs can sometimes be out of the house

Because ||Thanatos|| will also show up in the West Wing everytime after you see him in a run prior

[austere sparrow]

okok

[sterile solar]

😐

[midnight apex]

Delete your message immediately

[candid silo]

Holy hell

[midnight apex]

goddamn it

[midnight apex]

Let’s delete our messages so that that message just gets buried and forgotten

Cuz they don’t seem to be changing anything

[nimble coral]

styx should have 25 encounters right (5x5 (minus the sack room) + hades)?
cuz i entered with my keepsake that needs 25 encounters and beaten hades but somehow it counted as only 24 encounters and i still need 1 left

[midnight apex]

The sack room is random

Like the amount is random

You can get it any tunnel after the first one

OH WAIT yeah for the purposes of this game each tunnel counts only as one

[gleaming shard]

So I am going with the shield for now, suits my playstyle. FYI I haven't unlocked any of the infernal arms aspects yet. Any recommendations for a shield build? Also what keepsakes should I consider top tier? making sure I do not unwillingly gift nectars to gods who don't deserve my attention

[nimble coral]

yea but the total encounters in styx should be 25 no?
like each tunnel has 5 rooms, and there are 5 tunnels. 1 of those rooms will be the sack room thus not counted as an encounter.
and the hades fight also counts as an encounter so 5*5-1+1=25?
just wondering why it only counted as 24 for my keepsake

[sterile solar]

The room with the sack is just a chamber, not an encounter

You said that. Im dumb

Maybe it didn't count the boss room as one? Idk

[fresh bridge]

fountain room doesnt count

[sterile solar]

Thats the sack room yes, already mentioned

[somber frigate]

Tunnels don’t have a static number of chambers

iirc

is it always 5? I’ve had it in my head that they could be 3-4 mini-encounters + the final room for the longest time

3 would be really short actually

[sterile solar]

It is always 5

[dusty vault]

No there is some variance

Of like 1 chamber iirc

[sterile solar]

Never paid close attention to this. I couldve sword it was always 5. But oh well that answers the question then

[novel swift]

Ye

Short tunnel has like a 1/7 or something chance

[gleaming shard]

Can anyone lmk please?

[median sphinx]

if you haven't even unlocked aspects, maybe gift your dog and skelly
if you put +% in slow attacks and flat damage in fast attacks the build would be quite good already so you might as well just maximize health

[somber frigate]

Every god deserves at least one nectar for their keepsake so you can force them in

[median sphinx]

is it time for dionysus hate

[sterile solar]

i wont stand for dionysus slander

[rose plume]

I personally like dionysus because his hangover effect is pretty good for the rail

[warm salmon]

Nah the only boon i like from Dionysus is his festive fog boon

Pair that with Zeus' boons and it becomes op

[merry zinc]

I like the fountain one giving you full health and extra damage

[warm salmon]

Fountain is good especially if ur taking alot of damage from enemies

[outer flint]

no?

[rose plume]

Agree!

[willow shale]

Why dionysus pretty good

[rapid storm]

pretty sure i just had one of the sisters just die instantly from like 10-15% health maybe, dont have anything that does that and dont even think anything does, dont have any big damage things, just Constant dmg(||Demeter cast||) and the spear with a few boons

[somber frigate]

Weird

no ||dem legendary||?

[rapid storm]

no i only had the one i said in the other msg

i could just be lying to you btw i wouldnt know bc i looked away to where my cast was to pick it up and then she was dead

[fresh bridge]

you should still have the boon no?

[rapid storm]

no i only had ||demeter cast, not the legendary boon that instakills||

some lazy ass censoring right there ngl

didnt happen on bone hydra tho

almost died bc i payed too much attention to healthbar and not where i was compared to hydra

[deft meteor]

So far completed all weapons ||on heat 0 and 1. 12:completed runs total . Now onto heat 2||

[rapid storm]

so you beat the game in like 2 attempts or something?

[deft meteor]

No way. I did all that on attempt 48 . New to game

[rapid storm]

oh ok

[fresh bridge]

please censor ||heat!||

as it is post final boss content and all😌

[deft meteor]

How you censor?

[fresh bridge]

add || to both sides of the text you want to spoiler

[deft meteor]

Is that good?

[fresh bridge]

perfect!

[still parrot]

like this |||| (put space inbetween)

[deft meteor]

Thanks all sorry about that

[fresh bridge]

nah you're fine 😌 there have been many more/more egregious cases than this lol

[deft meteor]

This game is so addicting and fun. Glad I got it.

[somber frigate]

Can confirm

[rapid storm]

same, and ive only been playing for a few runs a day and already its some of hte most fun ive had in so long, felt like a game drought for like a month or so before silksong released and then found this after

crystal clarity and cold embrace both seem pretty good ngl, also should they be censored bc theyre a duo boon with ||demeter ||in it

[still parrot]

im curious if this game has some overlap story elements to the 2nd game hades 2 ;o

idk what to expect :|

[rapid storm]

same i beat it once and i know theres so much more to do but i already want to play the 2nd one

[still parrot]

like idk how many would know the answer to this but i'd wonder if its like hollow knight's situation where both can be played kinda side by side

[rapid storm]

yeah i know what you mean, bc theyre like similar in the basic function of the game but like how you fight, the story, enemies, etc, is completely different

[deft meteor]

I will keep playing hades one , and wait for hades 2 when it goes on sale to get that.

[rapid storm]

like the difference between like the(This is hollow knight and silksong spoilers btw, not story, just like the boon equivalent to their games i guess)|| charms for hk and the crests and tools for ss|| is such a big difference but theyre still so much fun indiviudally

[fresh bridge]

i could explain this kinda well? but this isnt really the channel for it👍

[still parrot]

ok i was thinking this wasn't the right channel for it im thinking #h2-for-new-players ? ;/

[deft meteor]

Soulstone survivor is fun too .

[rapid storm]

dude this poison gonna mess me up istg

[still parrot]

which channel btw?

[rapid storm]

bro i just had to go through like 3 tunnels in styx while at like 30 health

and im 3 coins away from buying something

[fresh bridge]

either h2 new players or h2 story discussion? either place would also have ppl that gave spent more time than me paying attention to the plot lol

[rapid storm]

tragic

[fresh bridge]

actually def not story discussion bc you’d probably spoil yourself checking that channel

[still parrot]

so #h2-for-new-players then :)

[latent galleon]

Hades 1 has post content after defeating the final boss?

[rapid storm]

defeat it 10 times is something

also ||heat|| and filling up hearts for the story of all the characters, some have rewards for getting max hearts, some others i missed fs but thats a few of them

[fresh bridge]

tons! there is more to the story than just that

[somber frigate]

A lot

You’re kind of just starting the game at that point

[rapid storm]

whats a good boon on sword special?

[fresh bridge]

aphrodite special is pretty good, athena is also decent

[rapid storm]

yeah i was tryna get aphrodite bc i thought it would work well with what im doing

damn and i died to final boss while it was at like ~25% hp

[signal relic]

should i use aspect of chiron on the bow if i only have it level 1

[sterile solar]

It gets better if you upgrade it ofc, but isnt unusable, especially if youre low heat which i assume is the case since youre upgrading your weapons

[viscid notch]

You can use it with Hangover since that's enough arrows to apply all stacks in one volley

[midnight apex]

Tbh it might still be better to use a lvl 1 chiron bow as a budget aspect of Zagreus

Just dash strike everything to oblivion and beyond

[spiral jackal]

As said go with hangover, it's great.

[signal relic]

should i use hangover attack or special?

[spiral jackal]

On special. You hit an attack, then you use special, and the 5 arrows from the aspect level 1 special are just right to fully stack hangover.

[signal relic]

ok i figured id choose special

i also know theres a boon from the heart icon girl i can pair up with it i just forget the name

[somber frigate]

Aphro strike -> Low Tolerance Duo

[lean rapids]

I like challenging(challenging but not annoying difficulty) games but have never played a roguelike or a hades before, should I start with hell mode?

[signal relic]

thanks!

[spiral jackal]

I'd say nah, the game guides you well into the meta progression with its base difficulty.

[lean rapids]

Also should I watch some gods lore videos

To familiarize myself with the myth?

[somber frigate]

It’s not necessary to play the game or really understand the story I don’t think

[lean rapids]

Okie cool

[molten dune]

what does god mode do?

[dusty vault]

+20% dmg reduction, goes up by 2% each death. Caps at 80%

[molten dune]

ah got it

[signal relic]

is meg the only sister i can get blood from?

i killed her other 2 sisters and didnt get any and the hyrda didnt give me any either

[dusty vault]

Boss 1 drops blood (so yes, is not one per sister) boss 2 drops diamonds, 3 drops ambrosia and final boss drops another blood

After you beat the final boss you'll find a consistent way to get more

[signal relic]

oh ok

hopefully ill be able to beat him soon i just got past the hydra

[dusty vault]

How do I get more blood

• beating the first boss for the first time with a weapon will net you one blood.
• final boss drops another + after that you unlock the best way to farm blood.
  other sources:
  trading for it at the lounge:
• 1 ambrosia for 1 T.blood is always there.
• 15 keys for 1 blood which is super good
• list of minor prophecies.
• Charon may sell one blood for 1200 gold at the last area shop

[signal relic]

i was fighting the bull and the hero guy and they dont seem to bad i was just low

[somber frigate]

It’s a one per weapon thing until you fully escape

[fleet perch]

whats the best early game trinket

or whatever its called

[somber frigate]

Usually one of the god keepsakes to get your build together

[midnight apex]

Oh, and FYI it’s called a keepsake

[rare barn]

I just cleared my first escape

[copper tendon]

what shackle said or obtain skellys/cerbs

i think youll find skellys very helpful early game

[outer flint]

skelly is lowk so tuff icl

[hushed siren]

Does Ambrosia do ANYTHING? I dont wanna know WHAT it does if anything so dont tell me exactly what, but it hasnt come up yet unlike Diamonds and Titan Blood, even though I finished the main story

[copper tendon]

ambrosia is very important, and it sounds like you will soon approach the need for it

[hushed siren]

ok good to know, thanks

[copper tendon]

can I say a loose guidance to tell you how to start needing it?

[hushed siren]

hmmmm

is it just a run/heat based unlock?

if so that will come up naturally

[copper tendon]

nope :))))

[hushed siren]

mm

Ahh ill figure it out

[copper tendon]

well im literally going to be as vague as possible, read the description of it in the trader

its not even hidden, just something you likely didnt read (neithber did i)

[hushed siren]

Oh right they have descriptions

genuinely forgot about that

thats vauge enough

[copper tendon]

once you read it youll have a "gotchya" moment

[hushed siren]

Ohhhhhh I think i get it

at least I have a few ideas

[copper tendon]

i wana hear em haha (i wont say which is right or wrong dw)

[hushed siren]

I mean first thought is the locked hearts with characters

since it does look like an upgraded nectar basically

And it might be something to do with keepsakes

[copper tendon]

fascinating

[hushed siren]

It did say gifting which is what makes me think maybe after I give the ambrosia to a god/etc after I get them full on hearts they will give me an upgraded version of the keepsake perhaps

[copper tendon]

since we're alr on the topic and youve said youve seen the locked hearts, have you figured out how to unlock any yet?

(once again i wont say, just entertaining myself)

[hushed siren]

I havent really looked into it since I only just now gotten artemis to full hearts and am basically out of nectar at this point

I did notice I couldnt give her any more so its prob something other than just nectar or ambrosia by itself

[copper tendon]

valid

ok ok interesting

[hushed siren]

How close am i? dont flat out say it but like, but hot/cold am i to the answer

[copper tendon]

ok well your like

warm

[hushed siren]

ok ok

[copper tendon]

my suggestion is

keep talking and gifting so that you can reach more locked hearts

and the game will unravel itself naturally

[hushed siren]

That was my second thought, jeez thats gonna take a lot of nectar

[somber frigate]

lowkey the locked hearts for each npc can be pretty out there

you should get most of them naturally from just talking to npcs a lot

but some you will need to go out of your way for

[hushed siren]

Ok main takeaway from this is Ambrosia is useful and not to sell it for titan blood

[copper tendon]

exactly

[somber frigate]

if you’re ever stuck for an npc, you can just refer to their wiki page on fandom

[hushed siren]

Will not be doing that I already made that mistake in hollow knight

[somber frigate]

?

[copper tendon]

did you finish hk

[somber frigate]

mmm

[hushed siren]

112%, 100% silksong

[hushed siren]

kinda takes away from doing it myself

[somber frigate]

Just be completionist and you should get like 99% of them naturally

[hushed siren]

Ok good, I only ever look up that last 1%

[copper tendon]

|| MY BOY QUIRREL and its been so long i forgot the girl that dies from mantis boss, i still need to play silksong|| <- this is about hk btw not hades dont worry

[somber frigate]

Do keep in note you will be dependent on the rng dialogue system Hades so not everything is going to happen immediately

[copper tendon]

stupid rng dialogue pmo sometimes

[hushed siren]

||We love suspiciously placed nails in front of water||

also yes you need to play silksong

[copper tendon]

||it was just a swim we say, nothing else we say ;(||

[hushed siren]

I want to play Hades 2 so bad man, but theres still so much to do in the first game

[somber frigate]

why play Silksong when I can dump another 7 morbillion hours into Hades speedrunning and ||high heat||

[hushed siren]

fair enough statement

[copper tendon]

i cant do ||32 heat|| for the life of me

well

ok ive only tried like twice but

im impatient

[somber frigate]

that’s impatient lmao

where are you jumping from?

[copper tendon]

wdym?

[hushed siren]

Ok gimmie like a time estimate for how long it will take me to get most of the game done, took me like 25 hours to beat the game

[copper tendon]

besides the cliff outside KIDDING KIDDING

[somber frigate]

like

[copper tendon]

likeee

[somber frigate]

presumably you’re going from 16 or 20 -> 32

[copper tendon]

ok im at 50 and very close to being done

[somber frigate]

Are you going for the resource grind 100% or the 100% without that

[copper tendon]

oh haha soooooooooooo

[somber frigate]

there’s a difference of like 400 hours

[hushed siren]

100% until I feel like playing Hades 2

[copper tendon]

i went from 16 to 32

and perhaps

maybe

was a bit of a big jump

[hushed siren]

Tbh the heat gauge hasnt really impacted my runs that much so far

[somber frigate]

totally get it a lot of ppl do that, it’s very doable but give yourself some more time like

2 atrempts was like nothing

it gets exponentially worse

[hushed siren]

maybe its just because im doing 8 at most for the statue but I didnt notice a very substantial difficulty increase

[somber frigate]

I got to ||40|| and looked at the rest of my options and went yeah ew

Would rather speedrun

[copper tendon]

16 is very doable too, just not 32 lmao

[hushed siren]

Im gonna do max heat gauge now

[copper tendon]

oh!

[somber frigate]

But I’m getting back into it now since I hit most of my goals for the summer and ||high heat|| is my relaxation

[hushed siren]

seems like a reasonable jump for me

[somber frigate]

also

[copper tendon]

also skelly a bum for locking that statue behind ||heat||

[somber frigate]

actually I guess you still haven’t done the epilogue if you don’t know what ambrosia does

I was going to say you’re both atp where this channel is a bit behind you

[hushed siren]

yeah nah literally finished the main story an hour ago

[somber frigate]

Since it’s meant to help you avoid main story and epilogue spoilers

[copper tendon]

oh im maxing all keepsakes and grinding for epilogue rn i just came to help onion lmao

and ||heat|| but that might just be an unfinished dream </3

[somber frigate]

You could be the 4th person ever to do 64 trust

but yeah ||heat is a spoiler for this channel||

[hushed siren]

Only thing preventing me from trying that is the timer, I hate timers

[somber frigate]

Timer is really manageable for 99% of it

[hushed siren]

I dont want it to be managable though

[somber frigate]

but I get what you mean

[copper tendon]

i think ive censored ||heat||, but i dont have to censor the number right? cause thats vague enough?

[hushed siren]

I want it to not be there

[somber frigate]

Without it you could lowkey just cheese and kite the entire thing 🗿

[hushed siren]

ok i've left ||my dad|| standing in ||the snow|| for like 20 minutes now im going to beat him with a ||shield|| now hold on

[copper tendon]

||timer|| isn't even too bad once you build excess, but the stress makes you play so much worse

[somber frigate]

||dad is also a spoiler for this channel because it’s supposed to shield new players for that fight and onwards for the most part||

[hushed siren]

right, hold on

[somber frigate]

Lowkey the timer feels so free when I went from speedrunning back to do ||32 heat with all the aspects I hadn’t||

It was like fairly negligible before but the added skills just made me not even worried

[copper tendon]

||my problem is when i add all the stuff onto the pact I play so slowly to be cautious but I can't||

[somber frigate]

Understandably so

[copper tendon]

lmao me too i forgot about that ||dude sitting behind my pause screen||

[somber frigate]

Relatable

I yap here way too much for my own good

[copper tendon]

holy premium vintage is so free especially when you ||upg the low tier rewards so that with nectar you get a pom||

[somber frigate]

I like premium vintage a lot

It gives me even more room to avoid centaur hearts for speed

[copper tendon]

live laugh love dionysus

[somber frigate]

good for regular gameplay too

extra max hp scaling

[copper tendon]

i wish nectar came around more often though

speed one aspect of the game up

[somber frigate]

true it is way more scarce for the bag of room rewards

than darkness and gemstones

1:3 ratio

[copper tendon]

makes sense, if im using fated persuasion or whatever the other one (for trying to get nectar, im not a freak who uses the room reroll one normally), i can never get it

i get why now lmao

[somber frigate]

room reroll is fated authority

and it is freaky to use over fated persuasion

[copper tendon]

||dad just comboed me i just lost all my aura||

not close to dying but i was so close to doing no hit

took one life :(

in case you couldnt tell im not good at dodging but thats ok lmao

[signal relic]

is it possible to beat the game with level 1 chiron bow?

i feel like im not doing nearly as much damage as other people i see

with the same boons and all

[fresh bridge]

yes

every aspect in the game can do it at level 1

[signal relic]

oh

i beat the hydra with it but i feel like it took significantly longer than the guys doing the guides even though i was doing practically the same thing

[fresh bridge]

what guide are you following?

do you have the same mirror upgrades as them?

[somber frigate]

Which guide

?!

[signal relic]

definitely not but i feel like i should still be doing more damage, this guy killed the hyrda in like 2 seconds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN849MT9wqU&t=868s

[rotund violet]

How do I unlock the locked door near my goat archiles

[fresh bridge]

mirror upgrades would help a lot with the damage deficit, other things include ||heat options like extreme measures|| (spoilers for certain post end boss things for other new players)

[fresh bridge]

play the game more, its story related

[signal relic]

ah ill work on the mirror then and hopefully getting my bow to level 2

[rotund violet]

||i beaten hades once met with the mother do I need to meet more?||

Thanks

[somber frigate]

Where you making sure to get tons of poms for your hangover and did they have low tolerance / rush delivery by Hydra

[fresh bridge]

specifically on the build used in this video, more levels on the bow will really help the damage

[somber frigate]

I can imagine that being a large damage discrepancy

[fresh bridge]

rush delivery is an insane dps increase yeah

[somber frigate]

also yeah if they had conc and some chaos additive that you didn’t on a maxed chiron

[signal relic]

but arent the stacks caused by more arrows going in so if u level it up to 8 stacks but only shoot 5 arrows will it only do 5 stacks

[somber frigate]

I can imagine that also being a large damage difference

[somber frigate]

Low tolerance lets you get to 8

Aphro x dio duo

[fresh bridge]

theres also other effects, like the hammer concentrated volley that benefit from the extra specials

[somber frigate]

I might skip thru this vid a bit to check what they hit but I can imagine the difference being between your hammers/ chaos and hermes

[signal relic]

i know theres a hammer upgrade that can give me +4 shots i just havent been lucky

also how do i summon gods i see everyone doing that against the bull and the other guy but idk how

[somber frigate]

You haven’t hit the scripted pos event yet

which unlocks the feature

[fresh bridge]

you'll probably get it soon

[somber frigate]

There’s another one that makes each subsequent arrow get +3 damage

[signal relic]

shucks

[somber frigate]

compounding for a volley

actually it can compound over multiple volleys if you have epic+ swift flourish

[signal relic]

oh ok

[somber frigate]

Nigh unusable ball knowledge though

[signal relic]

also does the give up button work for resetting? i feel like everytime i give up and go back my first boon is always the same

[fresh bridge]

TIL, interesting

doesnt matter bc chiron bow sucks

[somber frigate]

No it puts you back in the house of Hades before you entered the run with the same seed

You can easily shift the seed over in the next few rooms but

The first one will always be the same

[fresh bridge]

only way to truly rerandomize your seed is by dying in a run

sadly 😔

[signal relic]

so if i start with the dionysus boon and i get hangover but for attack should i reset and start with aphrodite

[somber frigate]

yea

[signal relic]

alr

[somber frigate]

or swap weapons to one that would be able to abuse the rarities of the cores given because the cores and their rarities will stay the same if you swap keepsakes

like if there’s an epic drunken dash you can easily swap to a weapon that would enjoy an epic tidal dash (all of them) if you really felt like it

[signal relic]

for aphrodite and the duo boon with hangover am i looking for a boon that inflicts weak off the special

cause i got the attack one

[somber frigate]

inflicts weak on strike

you want hangover on special

you apply the debuff with your strike

[signal relic]

ok so heartbreak strike will work for the duo boon then

[somber frigate]

Yes

[signal relic]

perfecto

[somber frigate]

you can’t have both hangover and weak on your special at the same time anyways

[signal relic]

oh yeah it would make me get rid of one right

ok so i got the "weak inflicts off attack" and "hangover inflicts off special" boons, do i specifically get the duo boon from one certain god or do either of them work

[fresh bridge]

either work duo boons just have decreased odds of showing up compared to other boons

[signal relic]

oh ok thank you

[somber frigate]

Have you seen legendary boons yet?

They work the same way

they have certain boon prerequisites you have to meet before you can find them, and then once you meet those prerequisites the game can roll a duo/legendary (it’s the same chance) as an option when you’re picking boons from a god that has them available

[signal relic]

ah no, i havent seen a duo or legendary yet

i have the prerequisites for the duo though.

[somber frigate]

The duos are usually just a core boon from either god but some are more specific (like certain duos buff specific casts so you need that cast)

[signal relic]

would it be wise to take a zues boon with the aphro/dion combo

[somber frigate]

The base duo/legendary odds for regular rewards is 12% per option (although some options will have priority

zeus call would be pretty solid here but you don’t have the call mechanic yet

He doesn’t offer too much here whatsoever ngl

[signal relic]

ill skip him, im on 9hp and its a mini boss anyways

[somber frigate]

Ofc you want to fill your core boons up early so you have more duo/legendary chances because while you have core boons open the game forces one option to be a core boon until your cores are full

[signal relic]

that makes sense

[somber frigate]

reducing your options that could possibly roll a duo/legendary

[signal relic]

so im at the shop and i see hermes and artemis, artemis would be the better choice here for the critical right

[somber frigate]

Artemis is nice in general for most builds since it’s a lot of generic dps boosts

uhhh

[signal relic]

wait can i buy both of them

or only one

[somber frigate]

Hermes does work very differently from other gods

you can buy both

[signal relic]

i have enough

[somber frigate]

So taking him here has no downsides really, he was going to always show up in your run anyways

[signal relic]

oh i see

[somber frigate]

as opposed to artemis who can be blocked out of your god pool

if you fill it up to 4 gods

[signal relic]

so who would be better other than artemis

i always thought she was used in this build

[somber frigate]

She’s like decent she’ll just open duos who will get in your way rn

low tolerance is far more important than splitting headache or heart rend for this build

but she is good

Don’t get me wrong

[signal relic]

i see

also im pretty sure i got the worst hermes boons ever

[somber frigate]

She’ll just cut your odds of finding Low Tolerance in half

which options

[signal relic]

quick reload, quick recovery, swift strike

[somber frigate]

yeah those are pretty bad

[signal relic]

😭

[somber frigate]

quick reload doesn’t matter for this build and swift strike hardly matters ever

[signal relic]

might as well go quick recovery then

[somber frigate]

yeah

[signal relic]

if i beat the hyrda i can just sell it off

[somber frigate]

swift strike doesn’t apply to dash-strikes and that’s like 90% of weapons go-to options

💔

[signal relic]

yeah that makes sense

[somber frigate]

Including the bow dash-strike

[signal relic]

also would athena be good here? the only other option after the shop is athena

i was thinking maybe if i got divine dash

[fresh bridge]

divine dash comfy yeah, safety good 😌

[signal relic]

thankfully i got it

[somber frigate]

yeah

here like

Athena is good defense, pos is tidal dash and sweet nectar for more pom value, ares would be blade dash and curse of vengeance -> curse of nausea for faster hangover ticks, artemis is pressure points -> hunters mark for crit chains (and splitting headache, and once you have calls, zeus is zeus call -> smouldering air

there are a lot of easy ways to justify the other gods here

[signal relic]

alr thank you that helps

i just beat the hydra

[signal relic]

finally beat the bull and the hero

took a solid 3 trys 🥲

[rose plume]

Congrats!!

[spiral jackal]

That's a good result.

[shrewd blaze]

Hi I’m new to hades and trying to unlock the secret aspects but it’s just not working

[somber frigate]

Mmmm the exact unlock conditions that work are in the third message pinned in #h1-story-discussion but I can help with quick stuff

Do you already have the hidden spear (since you need that one before you can unlock the rest) or have you been trying to unlock a different weapons hidden aspect without it

you may also just be suffering from Hades’s rng dialogue system but make sure you have the right aspect/blood spent prerequisites and are regularly speaking to the correct npcs as detailed in the message I referenced before

Actually here

#h1-story-discussion message

This is the exact message so you don’t have to worry about any other spoilers

[frail arch]

is the reward for "beating" ||thanatos ||the same every time?

marked as a spoiler because im not sure if it is or nah

[rapid storm]

pretty sure it is

[fresh bridge]

||its always a heart yes||

[frail arch]

ah good to know, tyty

[somber frigate]

the real reward is the timer stop

[rapid storm]

oh that is kinda nice

didnt even know it did that and had an encounter with him a few minutes ago

[somber frigate]

It’s something you don’t really notice without either using ||TD|| or speedrunning

[rapid storm]

whats ||TD||

[somber frigate]

||heat option that puts you on a timer||

[rapid storm]

oh i dont know all the acronyms yet, probably couldve guessed that tho idk why i didnt think of it

[somber frigate]

Yeah there are a lot of acronyms throwns around here

[rapid storm]

also for bow am i like tryna only dash strike or what

[sweet brook]

yeah

[rapid storm]

alr thanks

[somber frigate]

Pretty much

You can avoid the special button and there’s only a few cases (where you’d need to know the break points) for it to make more sense to standing strike

[signal relic]

is pos sword + cast build good for beating the game

i was using chiron bow but i feel like its not that good in the little rooms at the final stage

those rats

[somber frigate]

It’s good enough

[somber frigate]

Just use tidal dash atp

[signal relic]

damn this is a game changer

idk how i didnt see it before

i got to ||hades|| and got him to just below half on the second phase but i died

is there a way to dodge those big explosion thingys

[spiral jackal]

You can destroy the skulls before they pop, or be out of range, or dash through the shockwave.

[signal relic]

Ok okay seems easy enough

Also for his big orange light beam move can I just hide behind the rocks

[somber frigate]

Like tidal dash is just so strong that sword speedruns start with it over a strike boon nowadays

at least to my understanding from talking to Alex I lowkey haven’t the time to spare to watch them myself

[spiral jackal]

Yup

[sweet brook]

if they're not running ME, yeah pretty much lmao

tidal dash -> pick up a good/decent attack on the way or use shackle

shackle start used to be a thing but then it kinda just became shackle start and hope to get tidal dash soon

and also an early hammer to get double edge kinda is just better shackle

[left flint]

I deadass have more trouble with ||Theseus than I do with Hades||

[midnight apex]

Agricultural Scythes are horrible weapons, both in warfare and duels. The war scythe is more akin to a glaive than anything else, and doesn’t have much to do with a scythe in the first place. The ones depicted in media are awful weapons. Their only benefit is that they’re sharp.

[midnight apex]

But also that’s a real struggle, remember to kill Asterius first and use the pillars

When you can single out Theseus, shred him when he’s doing his initial call

[left flint]

Its his sheild, Only ever damaging when I'm at a certain position and watching his attacks

[midnight apex]

Try dashing behind him and attacking him when he’s charging up his attack in a way that ensures your safety

What weapon do you use?

[left flint]

I'm still trying to find which one I like best but its either the bow or the trident

[midnight apex]

And remember (consciously at first, then second nature) that dash strikes don’t give invincibility

[midnight apex]

Are you solely dash striking with the bow?

[left flint]

No

[midnight apex]

Try that

Dash striking with the bow is much stronger, safer and evasive than regular striking

[left flint]

Does it matter which skill I take

The weapon upgrades I mean

[midnight apex]

Skill?

Oh aspects

Yes

Depending on the aspect it will change your game plan and play style

Or do you mean Boons?

Cuz those matter too

[midnight apex]

God upgrades

[left flint]

Nah Ik those are more random

[midnight apex]

What you spend blood are

[left flint]

Which aspect should I take for the bow

[midnight apex]

Actually, not really. You can force a god with their keepsake.

[midnight apex]

I recommend Hera, cuz it’s very cost efficient, but I personally enjoy the Aspect Of Zagreus for the bow

Also fairly cheap

[left flint]

Alr I'll try it

[midnight apex]

Which one?

[left flint]

I'll do Hera first

[midnight apex]

Then grab crush shot

Take Aphrodite’s keepsake first thing

[left flint]

Alright

[somber frigate]

Being able to fire off your shots 50% faster and stay way more mobile is a huge difference

I would also recommend trying to focus around dash-strikes rather than regular standing strikes, it keeps you far safer, and lets you double-dip with chaos boons

[midnight apex]

I was waiting for you to show up at the mention of dash strikes

[somber frigate]

since you can get strike and dash-strike buffs from him

You’re lucky I’m even awake

I should be in bed at this ungodly 4:31am

[midnight apex]

I was wondering why you were, but I already know your sleep schedules… off

[somber frigate]

But it’s reading weak so I’m home from uni and I don’t have anything important tmrw till late in the day

[midnight apex]

Still should try to sleep

[somber frigate]

My sleep schedule is just bad but this is still pushing it by a bit

I need water

then bed

but yes

[midnight apex]

Hydrate or die folks

[somber frigate]

dash strike with bow

get the good bow hammers

hera lets you quadruple scale off of chaos for the record

between cast damage, cast stones, strike damage and dash-strike damage

You’re looking at a way higher likelyhood to get a relevant damage bonus

than other weapons

[midnight apex]

Should I stop with the reactions

[left flint]

Bow got me my first escape let's do it again

[somber frigate]

Run it back

[median sphinx]

same hera bow spoils me rot

[frail arch]

bow is my goat man

which is funny because i started out hating it

and the shield was my fav

now i hate the shield and love the bow

[candid silo]

Does the Hangover stack from all sources indefinitely?

[somber frigate]

Up to 5 stacks, and all stacks deal the damage of the last stack applied

[candid silo]

Cheers

[somber frigate]

In general it means you just want one hangover source since you only want to be leveling up one hangover source

[candid silo]

Understandable

I somehow thought Rail + Hangover would pair nicely but I got triple special and it's hard to juggle 3 x Festive Fog cast and 3 x special, although they do work together quite nicely. But can't really fit in much auto attacks with it which are the source of my hangover.

[toxic mica]

I like the blade and fists, but everything else just feels like a chore to get damage out of it

[somber frigate]

It’s like decent but there isn’t really anything that compares to lightning strike for rail to do strike damage ngl

[somber frigate]

Really?

Bow might lowkey be the easiest since 6/12 hammers are hugely impactful for your damage output

[toxic mica]

I have gone hard into the bow and see the potential, I just can’t be asked to consistently beat the game with it

Sorry

[somber frigate]

Tbf bow is nigh unusable if you aren’t dash-striking

[toxic mica]

Autocorrect gives no heck’s

I know

[somber frigate]

Rail likewise is pretty simple to throw together builds for

[toxic mica]

Honestly same for the fists. Idk I guess it is just a weird preference thing.
I actually tried to master the bow first. I’ll give it another go eventually

[somber frigate]

I mean

“Same for fists” pretty much every weapon in game would rather dash-strike than standing strike

It’s like

not just fists and bow that want to dash-strike

[rose plume]

Hi, does the "targeting system" hammer upgrade work if I have the rocket bomb on the rail?

[somber frigate]

Yes

[rose plume]

Ok, thanks!

[left flint]

I don't have Crush Shot but I picked up trippy flare and with 3 times cast shot hera bow it's doing 600 dmg

[left flint]

||Second escape||, bow is too good

[rapid storm]

wheres it at in boasting brochacho im tryna see it

[left flint]

Mb sent it

[rapid storm]

pretty nice, i used some bs last time i used it, ill probably try something like yours next

[frail arch]

ice noticed that sometimes key rooms give me double keys

is there a reason to that?

[fresh bridge]

there are some minor reward chambers that have shiny glow to them, those have double value minor reward drops, they also have a tiny skull on them too

[left flint]

I'm having a hard time understanding Pact of Punishment, what bounties do you get?

[merry zinc]

when the heat gauge is full, then you can get unique rewards from the boss fights in each region (e.g, the furies, hydra, etc)

so if the heat gauge is asking for 2 Heat, you need to select any pacts that add up to 2 Heat. keep in mind that the heat gauge changes for each weapon depending on how many clears you have. each clear increases the heat gauge by 1 for that weapon

if the heat gauge is NOT full, then you can only get Darkness rewards from bosses instead of the unique ones (Titan Blood, Diamond, Ambrosia)

[signal relic]

would hangover on special and chill from demeter on my attack be a good combo or should i go with aphro

for chiron bow

[fresh bridge]

hangover special is a very common pick for chiron bow yeah, and aphro on the attack would be better yes

[left flint]

Oh so the basic rewards like Titans Blood, the Diamond from the hydra aren't available if the gauge isn't full?

[signal relic]

thx

[merry zinc]

correct, you can only get darkness instead

which can be good if you just want to level up your Mirror abilities

[left flint]

Does the amount vary? I noticed in encounters I get like 10 which isn't much lmao

[merry zinc]

I'm actually not sure tbh, but I'd imagine you get more from the harder bosses

[left flint]

I gotta upgrade my Coronacht so I'll try to heat gauge still, after I'm taking it off cause I only use the bow

[fresh bridge]

its 10 -> 50 -> 100 -> 150 iirc

[left flint]

I can deal with that lol

Still need some mirror upgrades

[signal relic]

for the god calls do u have to beat the game once to use them or u can u use them whenever

[fresh bridge]

you dont have to beat the game first yes, you have to get them offered from their respective god to gain their call boon

[signal relic]

im an idiot lol i thought they were only allowed to be used after u beat the game

[frail arch]

after getting the basic upgrades for the runs, do gems have any other use besides aesthetics?

im thinking of converting them to a better thing through trading with the lil shopper dude

[rapid storm]

theres higher tiers of them and you can also use them to unlock music able to be played in the start area later

pretty sure its like whatever the base upgrade is called, then greater, then superior

oh wait it depends on the upgrade tho, like for the healing well things its by area but for the money in the pots im pretty sure thats what has greater superior and the other one

[frail arch]

yeah ive gotten all of those i believe

my only options are spending diamonds or buying decorataive stuff for other rooms

[rapid storm]

idk, could be missing like a few gem upgrades that actually affect gameplay but idk, seems like no, guessing you got ||fishing rod||, the thing to get to ||access to the room|| and the ||upgraded desk for the contractors or whatever it is||

[signal relic]

finally! my first clear on my 31st escape attempt

36 minutes 😅

[frail arch]

congrats!!!

what weapon did you use?

[rapid storm]

i think that was about my attempt # aswell

[steady turtle]

gng is rail actually good
i feel like every time i play it it deals pennies worth of dmg

[signal relic]

bow. i find it the best for bosses out of all the weapons, but ill have to switch out and try some new combos next

[fresh bridge]

try doing zeus attack 👍

it is pretty strong w/ that

[steady turtle]

ight

i have 13 clears total but 0 on rail lmao

[somber frigate]

50 -> 100 -> 150 -> 250 for boss rewards

Encounters are 6

[hazy fjord]

Anyone know how to get the bone hydra named Lerny?

[midnight apex]

First of all, Lernie.
Second of all, just keep playing the game and encountering Lernie and you’ll get it eventually

[hazy fjord]

I’ve done like 500 runs

[midnight apex]

Ok wtf

[hazy fjord]

And haven’t gotten it

And like 60 true runs

[midnight apex]

Wdym true runs

[hazy fjord]

Like beat the game

[midnight apex]

So sixty clears

[hazy fjord]

Yup

Around that

[midnight apex]

You should unlock it after you beat the hydra a few times

But you’ve done plenty enough

[hazy fjord]

There has to be more requirements

My friend got it after like 3 runs on a new game

[midnight apex]

I genuinely don’t think there is

[hazy fjord]

Guess it’s rng

[midnight apex]

You just gotta beat Lernie a buncha times and you unlock it

[hazy fjord]

And my rng is terrible

[midnight apex]

This feels unnaturally unlucky, you SURE they aren’t already named “Lernie, The Bone Hydra”?

[hazy fjord]

It is

I just did a rn

And it says bone hydra full name

[rapid storm]

im pretty sure i had lernie in my last run, whats special about the name tho

[sweet brook]

That's a name zag gives

[somber frigate]

Eventually zag starts calling the Lernyean Bone Hydra, Lernie

Is a nickname

[rapid storm]

oh alr

[midnight apex]

I know

But doesn’t the boss name change? On top of the health bar

[somber frigate]

Itdoes

[midnight apex]

Thought so

[rapid storm]

damn i was just at lernie i couldve checked

[signal relic]

for the ||pact of punishment, if i put it on 1 heat and beat meg or one of the sisters and then purposely die do i get the blood? or do i have to beat the entire thing||

[fresh bridge]

||you get a blood yes, however you cant from there bump it to 2 heat and then kill the furies to then gain an additional blood using the same wep (bounties are wep independent)||

[signal relic]

||so if i use chiron bow for 1 heat and kill meg, i cant bump it to 2 heat and kill her again then get a blood with bow? i thought it was for every heat the rewards reset||

[fresh bridge]

||need to have beaten hades for it to reset/bump up to the next heat||

[midnight apex]

||the rewards reset every time you beat the entire run with that heat||

What Frei said

[signal relic]

||so ill need to beat it with bow on heat 1 for the rewards to reset on heat 2 then||

[midnight apex]

Yup

[signal relic]

i was hoping i could just reset after the first boss 🥲

[midnight apex]

Unfortunately it’s not that easy

[left flint]

Zag actully commented on how ||Hades|| keeps burning capes, I wondered about it too

[spiral jackal]

Spoiler ||Hades|| please

[left flint]

Mb

[rapid storm]

i was talking about this earler, got the line today and love the funny bs in the game like this

[stone sonnet]

Under sun and sky, Kind Strangers, I greet you warmly!

[midnight apex]

Hello Crumble! It has been many moons since we last met.

[rapid storm]

maybe too many to count

[stone sonnet]

Greetings Mr. Nugget! The moon has lost its color since we last met, hasn't it?

[midnight apex]

That it has

[frail arch]

after giving skelly like, 5 or 6 nectar i cant give him any more, his dialogue also seems to have stagnated,i have lots of ambrosia though, am i missing something?

also i beat the game yesterday!!!!

ending was really cool

[outer flint]

You have to complete his quest before you can give him ambrosia

||iirc it's in the fated list of minor policies, but i might be thinking of something else||

[frail arch]

hmmm i'll check it out

[cedar stone]

Damn...

[somber frigate]

They are pretty shocking and annoying lmao

but ||Extreme Measures and the pact of punishment are a spoiler for this channel btw||

[cedar stone]

Oh, sorry

[fresh bridge]

you’re fine just for future make sure to spoiler mark the text like shackle did

[signal relic]

||how do i get the summon for meg?||

not sure if thats a spoiler but just incase

[rapid storm]

yeah its a spoiler, pretty sure its just like keep giving her gifts and at the last one you'll get it

along with a little icon next to her keepsake i think(they might be at different heart levels tho im not 100% sure

[outer flint]

You get it immediately after getting the ||companion||

[hushed siren]

Could someone hint at generally how to ||unlock the final hearts for the olympians?||

idk if thats a spoiler or not but ill tag it incase

[rapid storm]

pretty sure you have to give them an ambrosia, not too sure tho, dont have any myself but its how you do it for the other characters

also pretty sure you dont have to censor that

[hushed siren]

You do, but all of em' are locked [besides zeus for some reason]

[rapid storm]

oh then idk continue the story of all them more or something, or just the main story

[hushed siren]

Im fully done with the main story

[somber frigate]

Each has a specific trigger called their “favour”

it’s usually a good load of talking, Ares is 10k kills, it just depends on the npc

every npc will have them

[hushed siren]

Oh ok, interesting

10k kills is a whole lot

[somber frigate]

Not really

[hushed siren]

actually nevermind i might already have 10k kills

yeah i do

still locked tho

do i have to get a boon from them again?

[somber frigate]

You’lljust need to hit the right dialogue from him atp

[hushed siren]

seems a bit roundabout

[somber frigate]

It’s just a prerequisite into one dialogue line compared to going down a whole dialogue tree

[hushed siren]

weird, ok then

guess ill just do more runs

[left flint]

Dionysus is my fav god to get boons from, but why is there a boon that allows me to resist Festive Fog damage? I don't take damge from it at all

[midnight apex]

It lets you take less damage from enemies while standing in the fog

[left flint]

Oh gotcha

[signal relic]

to get hearts from gods do i keep giving them nectar or is it just talking

i feel like ive been stuck on one heart for a while

[rapid storm]

pretty sure its nectar but for some other characters i know theres other ways to do it, just dont remember what i did for any of them

they werent gods tho so idk

[signal relic]

alr ty

[midnight apex]

Keep on giving them nectar until you can’t no more

[left flint]

About how many || escapes do you need a actually beat the game, my mom just said she doesn't want me coming back, about 6 or 7 escapes now||

[rapid storm]

10

[left flint]

Aight, I'm also trying to get ||Charon to aggro me, is his borrow gold just random? ||

[rapid storm]

yeah, it can happen anywhere before a boss and nowhere in styx

tbh i wasnt too sure if it was before a fight but i searched it up and im right so thats cool

[signal relic]

i just had that happen to me and he is hard as hell to beat

||do u get anything for beating him?||

[rapid storm]

pretty sure you do but idk what, also it might be for defeating him twice in a row, not too sure

[signal relic]

i just searched it up and you get ||his loyalty card which i think is an achievement, you also get a 20% discount for the rest of the run||

[rapid storm]

oh alr

if you fight him early and somehow manage to defeat him that could be pretty good but like hes mad strong so id probably fight him at 3rd and then just try to profit off of it as much as i can at styx

[jovial knoll]

Guys how do I beat 3rd floor. I feel like by the time I get there i do no damage to enemies

[midnight apex]

Use builds that do more damage, and dash behind the shield enemies, not around

[jovial knoll]

guys how do i check if i have used death defiance or if it back up ?

it regens every floor right ?

[fresh bridge]

stubborn defiance regens every floor yes, it'll show the stubborn defiance in the corner with the infinite symbol if its still up

[jovial knoll]

i thought i had it for boss fight but nah 😭

[jovial knoll]

ok ty

[outer flint]

Stubborn defiance recharges every chamber, not every floor.

[jovial knoll]

boss fight ?

[outer flint]

No

Every room

Like every single normal room you get your stubborn defiance

[fresh bridge]

whenever the chamber number goes up it refreshes

[dusty vault]

Next to your hp you should have a lil icon if you have remaining defiances

Also death defiance doesn't regen naturally, stubborn regens

[jovial knoll]

oh i hear it

[jovial knoll]

wait whats the difference

[fresh bridge]

different mirror options

ones the green side the other is the purple

[dusty vault]

Stubborn has a different icon

Infinity symbol

[outer flint]

Death defiance you unlock first. They heal for 50% of your max hp and you can have a max of 3 that don't regenerate during the run

Stubborn heals for 30%(iirc) and it regens every chamber. You only get 1 though

[fresh bridge]

yeah its 30%

[toxic mica]

What do you all use? I beat the game pretty consistently with deaths defiance

[jovial knoll]

is lava on the 2nd floor considered a trap?

[fresh bridge]

yes

[jovial knoll]

coocoo i think its worth getting sure footing

90% dmg red to trap

[viscid notch]

Deaths defiances are the best option at this stage.

[brazen moss]

what weapon should i upgrade first?

[somber frigate]

Sure footing also gives you a decent buffer of time before you start taking damage from lava

[somber frigate]

Which weapon do you prefer using?

[gusty orbit]

the thing is, charon shows you what attacks he is going to do, so you have 1-2 seconds to react other than the sword attack

just cast him till he dies

[brazen moss]

I like the sword, but I saw online to use claws or bow of chiron

And saw mixed opinions on upgrading swords

[gusty orbit]

how much blood do you have?

[toxic mica]

Fists of Malphon, dodge + deflect build is my favorite.

[brazen moss]

Only 3 for now

Cuz I just cleared the game for the first time and got past meg with the fist

[somber frigate]

See literally every weapon is viable for 99% of Hades game content so

you can raally use whatever you want

Chiron is really popular for new players because it’s stupid easy to use rather than being a performance aspect ngl

[brazen moss]

What's like the most high skill weapon

I wanna get good at the game

[somber frigate]

You can get good with the game with pretty much every aspect of every weapon

I’d personally recommend

[brazen moss]

So only at like high heat the weapons matter?

[somber frigate]

by weapom

[somber frigate]

More like the differences become way more apparent

aspects do matter early game but you can scrape by with anything

Lemme find my recommendations by weapon

Sword: nemesis (main functionality is gained at level 1, subsequents just improve it)
Spear: achilles (needs a few more levels)
Shield: zeus (main functionality at level 1)
Bow: hera (lvl 1 functionality) zag (needs more levels, also isn’t as crazy absurd but is less input heavy)
Fists: demeter (needs more levels)
Rail: eris (always good) or hestia (hestia needs lots of levels)

since I know newer players have less blood, that’s why the specifications are there

some aspects like nemesis, zeus and Hera, you get the main functionality at level 1 so you can easily put a teeny amount of blood in and go level other aspects if you want

ofc more levels are better but since the bulk of the power boost is gained at lvl1 and other aspects do want more blood

it’s sometimes just better for you to grab those first levels and level other aspects that need more blood more

[brazen moss]

Thank you so much man

[jovial knoll]

guys how can i tell how many death defiance i have charged

i can see one death skull

[rapid storm]

it should be just above your healthbar, its a circular icon i think, stubborn defiance is aswell, its got the infinity sign in it i believe

[dusty vault]

As citrus said, circular icon above hp

There are different icons depending on the source
Red-ish skull = death defiance
Infinity = stubborn defiance
Yellow shield (athena's icon) = death defiance recovered through the Athena boons.
Purple eye = chaos legendary
Gray skull/skeleton = skelly's keepsake
Blood icon = death defiance recovered through charon well or patroclus

[rapid storm]

yeah aint no way i was gonna remember all that

[dusty vault]

You don't have to remember all this tbf

I just like being detailed

[rapid storm]

tbh i didnt even know athenas and chaos' were different

or if you recover them with a well

[dusty vault]

Oh yeah, kiss of styx

Patroclus's version is kiss of styx premium

And why it recovers all defiances instead of 1 like the charon well version

[rapid storm]

oh yeah i only have stubborn on so im guessing the kiss of dark styx changes to that when using death defiance

[dusty vault]

Ah yeah

Stubborn turns it into touch of styx/touch of Styx dark respectively

[rapid storm]

dude ive been trying to get the kiss of dark styx to span out to fighting final boss and when it works i like dont die so its like i didnt even get use out of trying

[dusty vault]

(also relevant if you are still missing kiss/touch for that one prophecy )

[dusty vault]

Better to have it than not tbf

[rapid storm]

oh yeah i guess ill need to switch back for a bit

[rapid storm]

just annoying if im a bit short on money for something but dont have enough uses left of dark styx to fight final boss with it

[dusty vault]

Yeah I don't think you can have touch of styx dark survive more than 2 tunnels

[rapid storm]

yeah so unless you get a sell pit or something you wont be getting a crazy amount of shop items

[viscid notch]

Cant it survive three if you get it in c34 then get short tunnels?

[rapid storm]

idk i feel like maybe ive had it go for 3 once but not 100% sure

also if you have charon keepsake that would make it go for another chamber or two i think

[viscid notch]

Doesnt apply to npc items

[rapid storm]

oh alr

[dusty vault]

Short tunnels are 4 encounters right

[viscid notch]

Yea

[dusty vault]

Yeah should barely survive 3 tunnels then

[rapid storm]

you could get 3 with 2 uses on it left i think

[viscid notch]

I just remember there is a way but its too specific and its been too long

[rapid storm]

also does the tunnels that have that shine on what they give you on the end mean anything\

[dusty vault]

C34 (14) > heroes (13) each tunnel eats 4 (12 total) > 1 remaining for final boss

Wait is dark 14 or 15 lol

Anyways it survives

[viscid notch]

Its 15 and the first tunnel cannot be short

[dusty vault]

So like 15 > 14 > -13 > still survives with 1?
Or 2 if tunnel 2 or 3 has the sack

[dusty vault]

If they have a skull under them they are miniboss chambers
I don't remember any shine tbh

[rapid storm]

idve guessed no but its on 2 of the chambers each time

[dusty vault]

Is it not the same chambers with the skull

[viscid notch]

Sounds right. Maybe test it

[dusty vault]

No thanks

[rapid storm]

no its not same with the skull

just entered patrocleus at 33 so i guess im not getting 3 chambers if i want to fight with it

exclusive access at pre thesseus shop

are we fr

[dusty vault]

Free 410 gold if you can sell it

[rapid storm]

too late, i always forget about selling, plus i couldve gotten a good few more boons with it

i took the boon that gives more money and gemstones it was rare i think

and more darkness

[jovial knoll]

yeaa ive clocked it now

if its there it will be filled, and if its used it will be blank

just gotta check before choosing buff

[rapid storm]

how in the world did i get exclusive access again

just dangling it in my face atp

and i just lost half my health bc i spammed on the cure for poison and nothing happened 5 times in a row

[candid silo]

After Asphodel, if I specifically need Athena's dash for my build and I still don't have it, is it better to continue with fully upgraded Chaos Cosmic Egg or switch to Athena's ** Owl Pendant for the dash?

I can probably do without it through Elysium and then maybe buy it if I don't get it.

[rapid storm]

depends, if you think youll get more important stuff from chaos go for that, if not, go for athena

[candid silo]

I just have no idea how to successfully micromanage Keepsakes between worlds.

[candid silo]

No idea really, his upgrades can be significant. I have Egg since the beginning but no Chaos lol.

[rapid storm]

i normally do god keepsakes for the first 2 stages at least, sometimes 3, then go for acorn for the last one, its the best one for it for sure

[rapid storm]

what do you have right now

[candid silo]

Sha, Acorn makes sense, interesting.

Especially since I often get rekt by Theseus. xD

Ah, okay, I'll risk it with Chaos and hope for the deflecting dash. I'm a newbie and can't play without it.

[rapid storm]

not for thesseus, the boss after that, thesseus is still really annoying, normally i target the minotaur first, then once hes dead go for thesseus

[warm salmon]

Theseus is annoying 💀

[rapid storm]

you could tho, just you'd probably get better use out of other keepsakes like the god ones to round out your build instead of taking less damage/potentially no damage

[warm salmon]

I think Athena has a boon where u resist damage from enemies

Pretty useful if you keep leveling it up

[rapid storm]

if youre not gonna do a god keepsake for the 3rd it would probably be for money or something, ive had cases where i dont but cant remember too much of them

[rapid storm]

yeah it starts at like 5% at common i think

[dusty vault]

egg in general is not that useful

and by elysium you would rather swap to a defensive keepsake like acorn

oh after aspho

hm, is athena in your pool already or nah

[rapid storm]

by elysium or after?

[dusty vault]

by elysium, generally you can carry acorn both ely and styx

[warm salmon]

If you do take alot of damage after the theseus fight, you can use cerberus' keepsake to get more health

[rapid storm]

i dont think id get much use out of it for thesseus, id rather do the coin pouch or another god boon

[dusty vault]

it is a bit dependent ofc

but even for zooming through heroes acorn can help

is 5 hits without being stunned

oonga boonga

[warm salmon]

God boon is RNG because I used the Ares keepsake and didnt get a ares chamber in || Styx || 😭

[rapid storm]

yeah i normally dont need a bunch of health for how i do their fight, unless its a certain few gods thesseus gets

[dusty vault]

wait, Al, do you even know what god pool is

or for the short version, have you got athena boons this run already

[rapid storm]

its the first 4 i think gods you get, you can only get their boons after that other than keepsakes i think

[dusty vault]

yeah that's the tl;dr

if you have athena already I'd prob just take a defensive/charon's if the well has good stuff/purse if you need money

if not and you really want divine dash then yeah sure, force athena with her keepsake

[candid silo]

Too late, I'm impatient, continued with Chaos thinking I'm cruising so far it's a walk in the park, if I get Athena great. If not, what can we do, I'm learning

So what's the best time to use Chaos Egg?

In general

[dusty vault]

...never, really

the hp cost is not that much

especially if you run cthonic vitality from the mirror, it acts as a 6 hp discount on gates

the bonus rarity is nice but other keepsakes have more value

if you wanted to use it probably I'd take it if the charon well also has a light of ixion?

and assuming I don't want any other keepsake

[candid silo]

I mean, I already made a blunder by taking Aphrodite's attack with Rail (was forced, don't ask) so this run is going unexpectedly well. I can't mess it up more.

Makes sense, no idea why I'm hyperfocused on Chaos

Kinda like the guy

No homo

[dusty vault]

They are cool

[candid silo]

Scratch that part where I'm cruising through Elysium

About to burn my first Defiance

[dusty vault]

Just gotta find patroclus

[candid silo]

Lmfao talking to him as we speak

Hydralite my golden

I still find Eurydice to be the most beneficial one

At the Elysium boss fight, where I most often end my runs

Oh well

Gl young me

So what's the theoretically best keepsake for Styx for someone who never got through?

Weird build with Rail relaying a lot on Festive Fog + Special

No Chaos at all, wasted that Egg lmfao xD

[dusty vault]

Probably skelly's tooth? I assume you don't have acorn leveled up/still struggling with the actual area

[candid silo]

I manage to get to the second phase of that fight thing

No leveled keepsakes

Actually collar is full

Maybe that is a better option

Yeah so collar or tooth

I guess

I would kill for that one Deadalus Special upgrade everyone keeps talking about

[somber frigate]

Am asking, what?

[dusty vault]

Fated choice is my guess

[candid silo]

Yeah, and I also never gifted Zeus so this was supposed to be just a random run to farm and now I'm almost there.

What's the difference between 150 boon and 450 boon?

I still don't have dash and there is no Athena, I'm doomed. xD

And 500 coins boons..?

150, 450, 500..?

[dusty vault]

better rarity (like 90% to be rare, better epic chance, -2% duos/legendaries)

500 is the same but with hermes cuz he's built different

[candid silo]

He is indeed built different

[dusty vault]

you can only get 2 hermes normally during a run, with a chance at a 3rd in the styx shop as you are seeing

he also has lower rarity odds than anyone else

[candid silo]

Aha, interesting, good to know

[dusty vault]

his legendary being a whole 1% at base

[candid silo]

Thanks Nooby

You're always helpful

[dusty vault]

🫡

[dusty vault]

(the same applies to hammers btw)

[candid silo]

No idea what to buy so off to get some dog food, I guess.

[dusty vault]

biggest differences between hermes and hammers is mostly
2nd hermes can show up as soon as asphodel, 2nd hammer is only from elysium and styx

and the 3rd hammer in styx is sadly stuck to the anvil