#h1-for-new-players

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somber frigate
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Do you still need keys

lost forge
somber frigate
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you maybe need like 25 for work orders

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Oh way down the line you need 200 for one of the themes

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But that’s probably a ways away

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Otherwise feel free to just trade up your resources to get the other ones you need

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Particularly if you have the fishing rod and Vanquishers Keep work order (bosses drop gemstones)

somber frigate
dapper harbor
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Been pinged there, huh?? 🤔

somber compass
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Yo! so I've had hades for about a year but only have 45 hours on the game so I guess I'd consider myself a new player? Anyways I've been doing the aspect of achilles spear and I almost beat hades (I mean I was giving him belt to ass 2 hits left) and the man ended up killing me with the lasers so uh..yeahthekid I was wondering if you guys have any advice going forward on how I should structure my builds.

I went Crystal beam (level 7)

Hunter dash

Glacial glare

crystal clarity

extending jab

Serrated point

and a few more boons I picked up

cedar delta
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Hunting Blades Duo boon (Ares cast supercharged) >> Crystal Beam regardless of how much you buff Crystal Beam

somber frigate
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also I’m wondering if you just didn’t have a strike or special core here, or didn’t feel the need to mention them

somber compass
cedar delta
somber compass
somber frigate
somber compass
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I don't think I had a boom for special I just used dash attacks and casts the entire time

cedar delta
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How about Call, if any?

somber compass
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Zeus

cedar delta
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Almost always a good one to take. Very good, spammable damage (via lesser Call alongside Static Discharge)

somber compass
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So for my mirror I have

Shadow presence

Dark regeneration

Death defiance

greater reflex

Boiling blood (might switch to Abyssal depending on what cast I use)

Infernal soul

Golden touch

Thick skin

somber frigate
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I’d swap them asap

somber compass
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gotcha

somber frigate
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Dark regen gives you hp when you need it the least, cuz there’s always a fountain immediately following boss fights, and the consistency of cthonic regen (especially in the styx tunnels) is just way better

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and obols now is much better than obols later

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gives you lots of build control

somber compass
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I see I see

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makes sense

somber frigate
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plus you should be spending your obols as you get them

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The real use case for golden touch is if you’re shooting for the styx titan blood/diamond

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You also need an insane amount of obols stored up for golden touch to add up higher than deep pockets in the first place I believe

somber compass
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Yeah that makes sense i've seen a couple diamonds on the surface

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I feel like while i'm out there i need to grind for chthonic keys

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Gotta upgrade my mirror

somber compass
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Okay used gauntlets on a serious run through

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Love em but the possums on the surface thay shake their poison off of them..I can't get near them to kill them without touching the acid

light kernel
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things to never take again: chaos deal that damage you on basic atack early game when you dont do damage in other ways

grave prawn
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just play patiently

light kernel
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have like 25 hours in, furthest i reached so far was theseus, so not speedrunning 😄

somber frigate
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Play carefully with your casts and specials

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plus some weapons like zeus shield predominantly use their special

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But I can’t justify taking it ever aside from zeus shield when I’ve only got 5 minutes for tartarus yk

gusty prism
hollow hull
spiral oriole
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How does Demeter's boon which increases rarity of your booms every 3 encounters actually work. Like what does it actually do, what does increasing the rarity actually mean and how does it benefit the player. Does it just increase the damage or the time of their effects for each rarity?

random sage
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Rarities increase the same thing poms do

spiral oriole
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Ok

random sage
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So if it hits your attack, it increases the damage of your attack

dusty vault
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Rarity is the base dmg basically

spiral oriole
dusty vault
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Poms fall off the more you use them on the same boon

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Stuff like ares or Aphrodite attack really want rarity

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Most stuff you don't really care

spiral oriole
dusty vault
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Poms are always the same no matter the rarity

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First pom on aphro attack is always +20% for example

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And this boon is one that actually cares about rarity

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Common is +50%~ and epic goes +90%-100%

spiral oriole
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Oh damn

dusty vault
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Hermes also cares a lot about rarity

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but rare crop can't target him

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He also has a lower chance for epic boons than others

somber frigate
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The actual impact of rarity really varies based on the boon

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and so does pomming

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some boons have really good pom scaling, others have really good rarity scaling, some have both, some have none

light kernel
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wait, you can change keepsake mid run? wow

hollow hull
spiral oriole
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for Hermes' boon that makes your attack 10% faster, and if you have the bow does that mean it takes 10% less time to charge up, or that the arrow is 10% faster in the air

somber frigate
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Which means if you get an epic swift strike, your standing strikes will be as almost as fast as your dash strikes

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it’s never really worth it to take swift strike on bow, since dash striking is right there, and you’re better of with like Hyper Sprint -> RD

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**however, when you have flurry shot then that changes things a little bit

spiral oriole
somber frigate
spiral oriole
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I see

somber frigate
somber frigate
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Although

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any weapon that can get a flurry hammer

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can typically make use out of swift strike

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because flurry interacts weirdly with dash strikes / attacks fast enough in between dash cooldowns depending on the weapon

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also, if you really wanted to use heavy knuckle on fists or world splitter on sword and happened across it

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it’d be great

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the hidden aspect of sword can make great use of it

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There are cases where you can take swift strike and it’s actually beneficial

rocky sapphire
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Hey when am I able to gift someone ambrosia

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I’ve given Dusa nectar to the point the next heart has that lock symbol over it which is when I assumed I could give her an ambrosia

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But I couldn’t do now I’m confused

grave prawn
rocky sapphire
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Ok

grave prawn
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the option will appear after a special dialogue triggers

rocky sapphire
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Gotcha

dusk python
light kernel
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can i get more than 2 chaos gates?

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had one on start of first area, second middle in shop, and now see third in shop too, all in tartaros

random sage
dusty vault
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Wdym you got a gate in midshop

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But yeah multiple gates are a thing, normally there's a cooldown between gates but light of ixion overrides that

novel swift
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( I think they mean well)

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Like bought an Ixion

light kernel
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When i became good?
After 40 hours im still hard walled at theseus. Idk if scrap save and try new to get titan blood again and try other aspects

random sage
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more hours

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more practice

cedar delta
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You might have build issues

spiral oriole
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Can anyone explain how Satyr sack chances work?
Does every chamber have an equal 20% chance of containing one or is it that you can't get one on your first chamber but every subsequent chamber you go in has increased odds?
Normally I get it on my 3rd chamber

somber frigate
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you cannot get it on your first chamber

spiral oriole
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So after chamber 1 is it a 25% chance for each chamber

somber frigate
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Then it’s like 52% for second chamber, 34% for third chamber, 12% for fourth, 2% for fifth

spiral oriole
somber frigate
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see above

spiral oriole
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So the game decides which chamber has the sack before you enter any

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Based off of that

grave prawn
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it decides right as you enter the last room of each tunnel

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it will never generate the sack in the first tunnel

grave prawn
fallow roost
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what is the fated list of minor prophecies

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is it like a side quest tracker thing

dusty vault
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yeah

fallow roost
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also I got this nectar thing and I decided to give the first one to my bro Charon

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couldn't find Dionysus to give the other one to

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and I got this hourglass thing

somber frigate
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Not which tunnel it’s in

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Which is why the usual strat it to take the 2 miniboss rooms first, because the game heavily favours the second and third tunnels, it means you’ll likely never have to deal with a regular tunnels end room

light kernel
dusty vault
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send to a dm/another server then right click and copy link

hollow hull
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What weapon/aspect are you using

light kernel
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now im going with Nemesis sword ,some artemis/athena/aphrodite mix

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no idea if i should prioritize boons, hammers, fruits or max life yet. Taking all chaos i find so far

hollow hull
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Yeah those boons sound good

light kernel
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not getting more than 5 titan blood i got early invested 1 in nemesis, 4 in chiron and traded 1 for 200 jewels

hollow hull
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Starting tidal dash and looking for hangover/doom/zeus on attack is also viable

light kernel
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god i hate those bullet hell armored witches coven in fire area

hollow hull
light kernel
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woohoo theseus down

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railgun with triple mortar op (+ aphrodite)

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oh no not the|| cerberus|| 😦

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whew

main gull
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hey guys! i hope you're all doing well ^-^
i have a save file on my switch that i wish to sync to my steam so i can continue playing on my pc. even though i've linked steam to hades on my switch, it doesnt seem to be loading up that save on my pc? help please? ;-;

prisma barn
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Who should I spam my nectar to

grave prawn
light kernel
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Trading ambrosia for titan blood worth it?

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almost killed ||hades|| on this attempt, maybe i learn him soon

spiral oriole
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I think so, because ambrosia is only useful after you've forged a bond right

dusty vault
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Yeah early game ambrosia is fine to trade some for blood

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  • there's excess of it compared to blood
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Just don't go too far with it

light kernel
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after meeting ||demeter|| for first time it seems there are new enemies spawning

dusty vault
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||those are both connected to reaching dad||

grave prawn
somber frigate
light kernel
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How do you unlock 4th aspect for weapons?

light kernel
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Fated Persuasion is once per bon, or once per escape?

spiral oriole
dusty vault
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There's a work order where picking up keys gives a die

light kernel
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oh, i can get diamond, ambrosia or titan blood every time i reach final floor, nice

spiral oriole
spring ibex
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Still on the first boss :)))

versed epoch
low thorn
light kernel
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styx tunnels are unlayable as melee

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poison rats take leik 120 life per area

low thorn
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they arent that bad as long as you murder things before they murder you

light kernel
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i walk in this green thing on floor and it drains like 100 life

low thorn
somber frigate
low thorn
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yeah

somber frigate
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Which sounds like your problem

light kernel
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ye its skill issue still

somber frigate
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if you end up in one of those rooms that has two chunks od ground seperated by a gap feel free to just camp them out like

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You can dash over, do a few hits and dash back out to the other side if your build needs it

light kernel
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if i take one duo skill (athena + poseidon) can i still get other from athena + ares? probably yes

dusty vault
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If you take hunting blades you can't get freezing vortex for example

light kernel
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so casts are real build archetype here?

somber frigate
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Otherwise not really

astral mortar
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Hello, I am pretty new to this game and I was wondering if it would be a bad idea to spend the required blood to unlock every single aspect on every single weapon at the base level and just max the ones I like. Blood isn't refundable I don't think and idk how long it would take to max all aspects, would this be a bad idea?

versed epoch
light kernel
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how does heat reward works

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i get rewards for each weapon for each heat level?

somber frigate
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Up to 20 heat (25 in hellmode)

light kernel
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thats like nice, finally will earn some blood

spiral oriole
hollow hull
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With one exclusive pact

fresh current
# astral mortar Hello, I am pretty new to this game and I was wondering if it would be a bad ide...

While this is encouraged, it's worth noting that some of the Zagreus aspects (which are cheapest to max) are better than others and worth investing in early. Shield and Bow come to mind, as well as Fists somewhat. Some other aspects (guan yu, chaos, chiron, demeter) can be just ok to outright stinky in their early forms, try not to form a judgement on them until you can more fully afford their upgrades where they go from ugly ducklings to swans

somber frigate
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in terms of which you want to level

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If you want a mini-guide on blood spending:

If you haven’t got nemesis zeus or hera yet, they’re all really effective with low amounts of titan blood put into them. (Nab them at level 1, you can level em up later)

and then you can use the rest on other aspects that need the levels a bit more (for their effects to really get crazy)
These aspects are achilles, eris, hestia, demeter.

By that point (or earlier) you should be able so start getting the hidden aspects, in which case ||guan-yu, rama and lucifer really want titans blood, while beowulf is stellar at level 1||

and then zag bow, zag rail, and zag fist are all solid options for your titans blood.

(Maxing nem, zeus, and hera can happen really whenever in this grand scheme)

And then any aspects I haven’t mentioned

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Any aspects that weren’t named are both not nearly as strong out of the gates, and their maxed effect isn’t on nearly the same level as the ones already mentioned

astral mortar
inland tendon
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its a funny way to play and turns the aspect into a weird rail/bow hybrid

light kernel
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what does heart with a lock mean on a npc

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like i have 6 red and 7th locked

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oh i prob have to do some renovations for Dusa

somber frigate
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Honestly even at 30% the strike is still busted as heck

inland tendon
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theres a reason why hera is so good in H2 i suppose

hitch is also 30% just like ||rama|| level 1

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plus for ||rama|| you can basically hitch and attack the same enemy for bonus damage

inland tendon
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zag rail should work decent even when unupgraded i feel, just slap on zeus attack and go to town

somber frigate
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Zag rail certainly isn’t a priority, it just falls before everything I haven’t named
It’s a decently powerful aspect outshone by the rest of the Rail’s spectacular aspects.

light kernel
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giving nectar to gods gives better boons?

somber frigate
random jasper
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Is it worth getting Hades nowadays or should I I wait for Hades 2

somber frigate
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Hades 1 and Hades two are completely different games

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or like

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The experience you have with Hades 2 will not feel the same as your experience with Hades 1, and Hades 1 is absolutely worth it

random jasper
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Ok makes sense thanks

light kernel
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have both in library from family share, once im done with 1 will try 2

random jasper
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Do u recommend getting Hades 1 in the first place

somber frigate
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Yes

random jasper
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But £20 though

somber frigate
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I’ve dropped too many hours into it because

somber frigate
random jasper
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I bought binding of Isaac for that price and I didn't even like it tbh

somber frigate
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Maybe watch a few videos of Hades gameplay prior to purchasing the game 🤔 to see if it’s up your alley?

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although I can’t really recommend many Hades youtube channels, I’ve always been more of a player than a viewer

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I know Haelian is popular

random jasper
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Hmmm

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Well if I'll buy it and Ill return it if I don't like it

somber frigate
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you could also just wait until it comes on sale but who knows when that’ll be🤔

random jasper
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What's Hades even about

somber frigate
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You’re the son of Hades and you’re trying to escape the underworld with the help of your olympian relatives, so you battle thru the underworld again and again to reach to surface

random jasper
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Ahhh thanks

somber frigate
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Whenever you die you walk back into the House of Hades to do it over again, but with different weapons and different boons

random jasper
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Do u need a good pc for it though

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Cuz if yes I'll play on xbox

somber frigate
somber frigate
somber frigate
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Actually the older switch handling it is probably the better frame of reference because Switches are famously not powerful consoles

random jasper
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Would u recomendad playing on controller of kbm

somber frigate
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I’m a controller diehard lol

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I bought a bluetooth controller just so I could play it on my PC with one (given regular switch ones aren’t fit for it)

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but I know my fairshare of kbm users

somber frigate
# random jasper Godamn

If you’re a fan of greek mythology I think you’ll really appreciate what they did with each character, if you aren’t then you’ll learn your fairshare of it (albeit modified a bit, mainly to remove all the incest present in Greek Mythos)

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I assume you’re familiar with the roguelite formula if you’ve played the binding of isaac?

random jasper
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I've played balatro aswell

somber frigate
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K cuz I’ve seen some people like completely unfamiliar with the genre (they come here asking if there are checkpoints in the game etc)

hollow hull
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they each have their benefits and drawbacks

light kernel
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Why theres "" in borrow from charon?

random jasper
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Well I'm gonna use controller for now

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I got the game

hollow hull
random jasper
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How difficult is it

light kernel
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this run goes too well, and im still in first area

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to try xd

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erebus, oh shiiii

hollow hull
spiral oriole
light kernel
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i got a gut feeling that i gonna spend couple of thousand hours here

random jasper
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Thanks

hollow hull
steady crag
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Can I ||complete the Cerberus favor requirement by petting him 20 times without leaving the house, just staying on one place||?

spiral oriole
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From my subjective experience, Hades goes from Impossibly difficult (nobody is beating it in their first few runs in the game, which is the same thing in most roguelikes)
To surprisingly not that difficult after you unlock mirror upgrades, aspects, and greater knowledge of how the game works fairly quickly.
After beating the final boss I've basically never lost a run afterwards (though, I haven't tried high heat yet)

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And I don't have very many runs either

steady crag
steady crag
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But skill you acquire - still make it easier than first runs.

spiral oriole
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I don't think I've gotten very unlucky though

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In my playtime

steady crag
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I did, when I selected keepsakes to level them instead of getting something useful.

light kernel
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im sure i can defeat him if im find it in elysium, is tas mid tartaros

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patterns not that hard i think

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chaos shield + doom on special + 4 bounces hammer feels nice, wonder if it viable later stages

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so far its wrecking asphodel, not even have to specially aim or go search enemies on fire islands

hollow hull
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Main reason is that you can’t block while the special is out

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Might have been viable if you could still use it

light kernel
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how do i get Hades favor?

random sage
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unlocked wayyy later on

outer flint
somber frigate
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||credits||

misty laurel
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can someone help me? idk if its a skill issue atp but i cant seem to rly beat a run

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but i am

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what the freak

misty laurel
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and i have only beaten the game once but i was super lucky and had all my revives by the time i was at hades and my build was super broken

torpid tendon
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which weapon are you most comfortable with?

misty laurel
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i think thats the weapon i like the most

torpid tendon
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ah Shield is the one I know the least, I'll let more knowledgable people help you ^^

misty laurel
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that or the gauntlets

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the magnet aspect is pretty fun

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and good

torpid tendon
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gauntlets when I started I was running the base one

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the dodge chance is quite good when you max it

misty laurel
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its honestly just better overall tho no?

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it gives u more dmg

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and the magnet is just a extra hit

torpid tendon
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I think demeter is the better one

misty laurel
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which one is that one

torpid tendon
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the special is like a multi hit

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very strong

misty laurel
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is that the 4th aspect?

torpid tendon
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no 2rd or 3nd

misty laurel
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idk how u unlock those they are locked on every weapon for some reason

torpid tendon
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after 12 attack, your special gets buff

misty laurel
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doesnt sound too good honestly

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it sounds like it doesnt proc alot

torpid tendon
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it does, 12 attack is quick on fists

misty laurel
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true

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does it go down

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if u upgrade it

dusty vault
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It gives more hits

torpid tendon
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no the special number of hits goes up

dusty vault
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Lvl 5 is +5 special hits

misty laurel
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ah

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that does sound pretty good

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i like room clear more tho

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ngl

torpid tendon
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for Demeter you can start with Zeus attack

misty laurel
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maybe thats why i suck

torpid tendon
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try to get static discharge early

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room clear won't be a problem

misty laurel
dusty vault
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Well the other fists don't offer aoe tbh

torpid tendon
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on the special you put a % god (aphrodite/artemis/Athena/demeter)

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zeus likes fast attack

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fast attack means more lightning

dusty vault
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And yeah what alek said

misty laurel
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doesnt that just affect other enemies tho

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like it bounces off

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and goes to other enemies

dusty vault
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It huts the first enemy too

misty laurel
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oh i never noticed

dusty vault
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For later dmg you want the static discharge boon and focus on pomming that

misty laurel
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i dont usually attack either tho i usually just spam the special lol

torpid tendon
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with demeter you want to mix

dusty vault
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Even other fists prefer to use the attack

torpid tendon
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and not using attacks on fist is probably why you don't get a clar

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clear*

dusty vault
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Cuz it means you are keeping the enemy stunlocked

misty laurel
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really?

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i feel like i still get hit sometimes even if im attacking

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it makes me feel like im wide open

dusty vault
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Armored enemies can't be staggered if that's the issue

misty laurel
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ohhhh

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that does make more sense

dusty vault
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Is why fist's best hammer is breaching cross

misty laurel
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whats that one

dusty vault
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Also the idea is to do the 5 punches from normal attacks then dash strike to keep the stagger and reset the combo

dusty vault
misty laurel
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oop

dusty vault
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Get dyno'd

misty laurel
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dang

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anyways

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i dont ever rly see that one

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i do usually pick the one that makes ur dash strike bigger tho

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its rly good

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got any tips for shield tho?

somber frigate
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very good hammer

dusty vault
misty laurel
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oh i usually get alot of poseidon

dusty vault
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If zag shield is leveled pulverizing blow can be fun

somber frigate
misty laurel
somber frigate
misty laurel
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uhhh i have no clue tho

misty laurel
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i was watching a video

somber frigate
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You should unlock the first one pretty soon then the rest are more specific

misty laurel
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i saw them mention it was terrible

somber frigate
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Hades youtube ain’t exactly peak Hades

misty laurel
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oof

somber frigate
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😔

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Same with Hades reddit too

misty laurel
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how is it good

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charged shot

dusty vault
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If you mean his attack, it sucks

misty laurel
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i remember picking it aswell and i felt like it ruined my run

dusty vault
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I love mobile data

dusty vault
misty laurel
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so u can spam it

somber frigate
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yeah

misty laurel
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that makes sense

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what boons should i be picking with shield then?

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zeus?

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cuz i usually pick poseidon for my attack

dusty vault
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Aphro ideally

somber frigate
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Shield doesn’t attack fast enough for zeus

misty laurel
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oh dang

dusty vault
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She has the highest % at epic

somber frigate
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plus lightning on ideally the 80 base damage charged shot is like nothing

dusty vault
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Arty works but you want % from other sources like chaos

misty laurel
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i been picking poseidon cuz the wall dmg is usually pretty good

somber frigate
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Zeus is good if you’re using zeus shield and you put it on the special because the special hits rlly often

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and like zeus call is always good dps.

dusty vault
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Shield already has knockback by default if you like hat

somber frigate
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But not zeus strike for shield

misty laurel
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lol

dusty vault
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Can take his cast to unlock the wall slam boons, or special

misty laurel
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the dmg feels so low

somber frigate
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It takes some getting used to but it’s easily the safest-

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tizomg zeus shield is not low damage

misty laurel
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loll

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it didnt feel like alot

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i think its like 4 base

dusty vault
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Having your block available along your passive dmg source is funny

somber frigate
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8 base damage at level 1, (gets up to 30 at level 5) but that’s why you run lightning most of the time

somber frigate
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cuz it doesn’t care about the base damage

misty laurel
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dang 30 is actually alot

somber frigate
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A common zeus special is also 30 dmg

misty laurel
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it just feels so grindy getting all of the titans bloods and stuff especially since im not even winning

somber frigate
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it certainly can be early game

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especially when you’re picking the game up for the first time

misty laurel
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i got abt 40 hrs so far

somber frigate
misty laurel
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yeahh ik

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still feels sad that i have only won once tho

sweet brook
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And get static discharge after that

somber frigate
misty laurel
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i think the one time i one was with the gauntlets

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i can look and see what i had actually

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oh lord idk how to ss on steam

random sage
somber frigate
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I’d just snip & sketch it

#

oh btw you’re going to want to make it an imbed

misty laurel
somber frigate
#

hotkey it

misty laurel
#

uhhhh

#

cuz i didnt know u could do that!

somber frigate
#

uhhh

#

Now I’m blanking on the hotkeys

#

It’s muscle memory atp

misty laurel
#

oh cant even send it

#

in here

misty laurel
#

uhhhh

#

idk what that means

#

lol

somber frigate
#

You’ll need to send it as the link to the image that discord will just load

#

Ok easy test run here

#

DM your image to stickybot

#

It won’t care

#

then you’re going to want to right click on the image in the discord message and look for “copy image link”

#

Copy, paste here

somber frigate
#

Nice

#

Oh no second hermes huh

#

Or sold it I guess

misty laurel
#

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

#

mighta only got him once

#

why

somber frigate
#

I mean you aren’t running dark foresight here so it’s more justifiable that you might not see him

somber frigate
# misty laurel why

Hermes boons are strong & you can only get 2 (with a 50:50 chance for a third in the styx shop) in a run

misty laurel
#

ah

#

so i should be getting them

#

if i see him

somber frigate
#

depends on the other option

somber frigate
#

Dark foresight increases your gold laurel rooms and decreases blue laurels (give me a second to find the image)

misty laurel
#

what in the world is a laurel

somber frigate
#

The leaves on the doors

#

so if you have dark foresight on you get far more boons/poms/hammers/obols and hearts per run

#

making you stronger overall

misty laurel
#

ah

#

so i shouldnt be using the other one?

somber frigate
#

Exactly

misty laurel
#

olympic favor

#

dang

#

i assumed better rarity boons was already amazing

somber frigate
#

Like honestly the only questionable part of your mirror is

dusty vault
misty laurel
#

but then arent u gonna be getting more common boons

dusty vault
#

Is nice for hermes but also god's pride existss

somber frigate
#

These thhree

dusty vault
#

Just feed them some poms

somber frigate
misty laurel
#

mmmm

dusty vault
#

Or there are alternate ways like yarn of ariadne/refreshing nectar

misty laurel
#

so should i reset my mirror

dusty vault
#

Or even your god keepsake

misty laurel
somber frigate
#

God keepsakes, chaos boons if the other options are bad, well items, eurydice,

misty laurel
#

so u cant bank on her

#

what else should i change in my mirror?

misty laurel
#

so i shouldnt be using gods legacy?

somber frigate
#

Mmm

#

Rn you’re probably hunting for prophecies so I guess it makes sense

#

But otherwise God’s Pride is better like 90% of cases

misty laurel
#

why would u want epics over legendarys?

somber frigate
#

Especially for the boost to Hermes and Chaos boons because they have reduced rarity odds by default

somber frigate
#

like

misty laurel
#

oh rly

#

i have gotten maybe 3 and they where good

dusty vault
#

Outside of zeus's they kinda stink

somber frigate
#

There aren’t many that actively do much

misty laurel
#

that makes sense

dusty vault
#

(for what they need to get)

somber frigate
#

duos on the other hand are great, but since you can get them from 2 gods instead of one it’s way more consistent

#

so you don’t rlly need legacy to find em

misty laurel
#

so i should be using dark forsight aswell

somber frigate
#

Dark foresight, Olympian Pride (once you’re not duo/legendary hunting for prophecies), and Fated Persuasion

misty laurel
#

whats the point of there even being choices if there are mostly objectively better choices for every single one

somber frigate
#

Devs didn’t know what the meta would end up being

#

Pretty much everything is equally viable up to and even past 32 heat (which is usually the difficulty level most gamers put as their end goal I think)

misty laurel
#

32 heat is crazy

#

that sounds insanely hard

somber frigate
#

I mean 64’s happened a few times

#

like

#

double digits

#

I believe

misty laurel
#

how is that even possible

somber frigate
#

Which is the max max

somber frigate
somber frigate
#

it’s a real challenge because you have ~20 minutes to rush through 60% extra enemies with 2 free hits on em and 30% extra hp and you don’t get any choice with your boons nor access to your mirror at all

#

That alone is really rough to get through before you factor in everything else 🗿

misty laurel
#

yikes

#

so do u gotta be like speedrunner good to do that

somber frigate
#

~

misty laurel
#

cuz that sounds like my endgoal

#

for this game

somber frigate
misty laurel
#

yikes

#

im pretty good at roguelikes but that sounds insane

somber frigate
#

But while there are objectively better options for 90% of cases, most of the player base either isn’t playing at a difficulty where it’s too relevant, or straight up don’t know

#

or they’re r*dditors

misty laurel
#

the censor is crazy

#

lmao

#

but that makes sense

#

so basically the choices are just for niche builds that u mostly wont rly get unless u no life the game and try and get a ton of heat

somber frigate
#

🤔 “niche builds” not really

#

like

#

It’s only niche if you… never speak to the Hades discord

misty laurel
#

lol

#

that makes sense

somber frigate
#

builds are a pretty regular thing that are pretty consistent to get

misty laurel
#

do u think pierced butterfly is worth using if im only getting like 20% max in a run

somber frigate
#

I don’t think it’s worth it even if you get it every room

misty laurel
#

rly?

somber frigate
#

It’s opportunity cost

#

being able to start tartarus and asphodel with 2 gods core to your builds means you’re going to be doing good damage

misty laurel
#

thats true

#

i see what u mean

somber frigate
#

compared to butterfly where it takes 8 years to ramp up, you only get the value at the end of the run, and atp it’s on whatever build you pulled together like

misty laurel
#

like the dmg is nice but ur ending up losing damage overall cuz u could be doing different things

somber frigate
#

+30% additive damage on a build w/ no damage to start with

misty laurel
#

cuz u can rig the game in different ways

#

with say

#

the god uhh

#

wachumacallits

somber frigate
#

Keepsakes

misty laurel
#

right

somber frigate
#

Being able to force gods in is pretty valuable. Then in elysium you can take hourglass and buy well items that make it to Hades like

misty laurel
somber frigate
#

with hourglass in elysium alone you can easily grab a +30% attack well item in the midbiome stairs and take it to Hades ~54% of the time

somber frigate
#

Given your build is attack centric with something that uses additive strike damage

misty laurel
#

the chaos keepsake looks like it could be pretty good sometimes aswell

somber frigate
#

It’s essentially gambling on hoping u get a chaos well

#

for a rarity boost

novel swift
#

It does have some niche uses

somber frigate
#

the preventing hp loss doesn’t really matter 90% of the time

misty laurel
#

what is like

#

objectively the best weapon

somber frigate
#

what’s your goal

#

speed? heat?

misty laurel
#

winning

#

lol

#

i just wanna progress and get stuff to progress faster

somber frigate
#

bc you’ll run out of bounties to claim at 20 heat with each weapon

misty laurel
#

oh

#

yikes

#

cuz i hate using the spear

#

and the bow

#

especially the spear tho it just feels like a worse sword

somber frigate
#

Nemesis, Achilles, (Zeus & Bugowulf), (Hera, Zag bow, Rama), Demeter, and (Eris or Hestia) should be your best shot with each weapon respectively

misty laurel
#

nemesis?

outer flint
#

321 new msgs god dadm

somber frigate
#

They’re all aspects of
Sword, Spear, Shield, Bow, Fists, Rail respectively

misty laurel
#

ah

#

should i be trying to unlock the 4th aspects on my weapons?

somber frigate
#

Spear is necessary to get the rest (and pretty solid). Then shield, bow, and rail’s are good

misty laurel
#

i didnt actually like rly look into how to get them are they rly difficult?

outer flint
misty laurel
#

mm

somber frigate
#

Fist is the only one that’s “hard”

misty laurel
#

will i be using them over all the other aspects?

#

idk what any of them do

outer flint
#

you just have to invest blood into the weapon and then wait until you get the dialogue

somber frigate
#

They’re pretty balanced, they just mainly switch up the weapons core functionality and add a twist

misty laurel
#

makes sense

outer flint
somber frigate
#

Pretty much every hidden aspect is a “heavier” version of the base weapon with some added spice

misty laurel
#

should i be trying to get any specific hidden keepsake

#

i got skellys and it seems pretty bad

somber frigate
#

megs

short valley
#

i recommend you try each aspect as well and experiment with boon synergies and such.

esp hidden aspect of spear, i would leave that until you are close to max blood. won’t tell what it is.

outer flint
short valley
#

to just get a feel for things

misty laurel
misty laurel
outer flint
#

ive never heard anyone use anything other than meg for that

somber frigate
misty laurel
#

yummy

#

skellys just looks overall bad lol

#

i got it cuz i love skelly hes the goat

#

yikes

short valley
misty laurel
#

i see we have a hater

outer flint
#

no idea who that could be

misty laurel
#

skellys the first person i gave honey

#

hes the best character

short valley
#

but hey, i’m not stopping you from using that comp.

#

it’s your choice after all

misty laurel
#

its like maybe useful for destroying the hydra heads without taking alot of dmg lol

outer flint
#

yeah

#

but meg is better at that situation

misty laurel
#

yeah lol

#

just the only one i have

short valley
misty laurel
#

it takes quite a bit of honey

#

to get one

#

then i dumped all my titan blood into my swords first aspect to even get it

#

sadly

short valley
outer flint
short valley
#

yeah true

outer flint
#

ive spent 20 hours trying to get meg to talk to me

#

like cmon

short valley
#

fr

outer flint
misty laurel
#

i just talk to everyone

#

after i die

#

every time

outer flint
#

yeah

short valley
outer flint
#

its just a random chance to get the dialogue, even if you have all the requirements

misty laurel
#

can you romance the head

#

the green thing

outer flint
#

yes

#

dusa

#

my

#

goat

somber frigate
outer flint
#

dont spoil it mr spierkroft

misty laurel
#

i dont like her

#

i wish i could kill her

short valley
random sage
#

is this SLANDER IN NEW PLAYERS CHAT

outer flint
#

nah what is this SLANDer

misty laurel
#

yes

short valley
#

haha maybe

outer flint
#

this EVIL talk

misty laurel
#

i HATE

#

dusa

outer flint
#

how dare you

misty laurel
#

loath

outer flint
#

she did nothing wrong

short valley
misty laurel
#

my point

#

shes useless

outer flint
#

no

#

she cleans the house

#

all by herself

misty laurel
#

and its still dirty

outer flint
#

do u even read what she tells u

somber frigate
misty laurel
#

unless u pay gems

#

shes not even good at it

#

smh

outer flint
#

u cant expect her to clean up after cerby ruined the lounge

misty laurel
#

yuh huh

somber frigate
short valley
#

cerberus… he’s so awesome. shame hades doesn’t like zag petting him, he’s great imo.

misty laurel
#

for the longest time

#

never tried

short valley
#

yea you can ;]

misty laurel
#

i will admit

#

hes a good boy

short valley
#

i do so every time to get over a bad run, just because

outer flint
#

makes u happier

misty laurel
#

his keepsake kinda sucks tho

short valley
#

yeah pretty much

short valley
misty laurel
#

why wouldnt u want thick skin

novel swift
misty laurel
#

free 50 hp

short valley
novel swift
#

25% additive kinda nice tho

short valley
#

but EARLY… not anywhere else i feel

misty laurel
#

yeahhh

#

dont rly need the hp as much when u get better at the game

#

not dying to meg or in a random room

somber frigate
short valley
#

i’m on controller and i still am improving

misty laurel
#

i feel like i know the game more just talking in here lol

short valley
misty laurel
#

youtube kinda sucks at teaching ppl how to play this game

somber frigate
#

If you have a sub 5 minute escape I don’t think you’re allowed to say that your runs suck 🗿

misty laurel
#

the reason i been using poseidon with shield is cuz a youtuber told me to lol

short valley
somber frigate
novel swift
somber frigate
#

Then ur runs can suck

#

Cuz I said so

short valley
misty laurel
#

thats true

short valley
#

i get why it isn’t always helpful

misty laurel
#

but isnt there just objectively better stuff

#

for each weapon

short valley
#

yea, totally

misty laurel
#

like how zeus is good for the gauntlets

somber frigate
short valley
#

once you utilize it well

somber frigate
#

and you did

short valley
misty laurel
#

wdym

novel swift
#

Good

#

It's good

short valley
#

depends on the WEAPON aspect, but zeus is always A for me

misty laurel
#

ah yeah

#

i use the magnet one

#

with the gauntlet

novel swift
#

Beo hates Zeus

somber frigate
#

depends on the aspect is kinda wild when it’s fists

misty laurel
#

yeah i feel

#

zeus would be good

#

no matter no?

short valley
#

fists are just… good

somber frigate
#

.

#

sure

misty laurel
#

spamming the special is kinda satisfying

#

lol

short valley
misty laurel
#

i hate the bow so much

#

i despise it

novel swift
#

Post the gif

#

pls

somber frigate
#

🗿

short valley
#

honestly though, when you get much better at the game: you begin to like most weapons.

somber frigate
#

Come on at least let me pre-amble

short valley
#

ok

novel swift
short valley
#

most though, everyone leans towards different play styles

-# i sound so much like a nerd lmao

somber frigate
#

Bow good you just aren’t dash striking hard enough

short valley
somber frigate
#

Bow is a melee-midrange weapon you just aren’t dash striking hard enough

misty laurel
#

and electo is my least fav sister to fight

short valley
#

fair, i mean how new are your to this game btw?

novel swift
#

Furies wr is on Alecto

misty laurel
#

40 hrs in

short valley
#

oh lol

#

guys genuine question: you guys have trouble on tisiphone?

#

for speedrunning?

somber frigate
#

40% faster attacks can make her annoying

short valley
#

ok… yeah i was wondering that

misty laurel
#

shes prolly the longest one to fight too no?

novel swift
#

Yes

somber frigate
#

I don’t speedrun much I got my sub10 and never really looked back

misty laurel
#

cuz the background switch

#

that takes a few seconds

short valley
somber frigate
#

downsized room good for dps

short valley
#

there is that

#

yes

novel swift
#

Tis has more health than the other 2

short valley
#

that’s what i thought

somber frigate
#

470 hours in and I learn this now?

#

🗿

novel swift
#

Meg 4800
Alecto 5200
Tisiphone 5600

misty laurel
#

meg is just the easiest to fight no?

#

super easy pattern

#

and least hp

short valley
short valley
#

but just beware, theres a condition that includes either 1 main sister and 1/2 supports.

#

and all three are really interesting to deal with… or annoying, that too.

#

esp ONE particular attack… ugh…

novel swift
short valley
novel swift
#

1:21 styxdad of a 3:49

misty laurel
#

with electo

novel swift
#

I cannot believe I didn't put a hole through my monitor

short valley
short valley
short valley
novel swift
#

Monitors are expensive

short valley
#

so true

misty laurel
#

how can people rage

#

i get mad but i wouldnt break stuff cuz of a game

short valley
#

not really common with me tbh… i just get slightly annoyed at best

misty laurel
#

the most il do when i get mad is just like

short valley
#

at worst… i just turn off the game lol

misty laurel
#

take a break from the game

#

yeah lol

#

since i beat the game once do u think i should be trying to use heat slowly so i can get rewards or do u think i should be just focusing on beating the game more

short valley
#

getting successful runs with heat rewards you with more valuable resources.

misty laurel
#

like what?

#

i thought it just gave the same stuff u get when u beat all of the milestones the first time aswell

short valley
#

titan blood, ambrosia, diamonds, etc

misty laurel
#

oh so yeah

#

the same stuff u get when u do the first time

#

just over again

short valley
#

yeah i do wish it would change, but it doesn’t sadly

misty laurel
#

i mean it makes sense tho

#

what else could it give

#

lol

short valley
#

fair yea

misty laurel
#

sticky bot rly loves bombing the convo

#

with useless info

short valley
#

haha yeah that’s very common

somber frigate
#

So we don’t get spoiled

#

Hence why it always sends it’s message after a few messages

misty laurel
#

dang ppl RLY dont wanna get spoiled abt hades 2

#

before it fully releases

somber frigate
#

And so the server was flooded w/ new users who came here by accident

misty laurel
#

lol that makes sense

#

u think hades 2 is worth going to after i mostly beat hades

somber frigate
#

It came out at an awkward time for me to get it and that hasn’t changed since

#

Just too busy to dump time into it

hollow hull
#

If you’re worried about value, there’s a lot more to do in hades to get bang for your buck

#

But if you like the gameplay you see, it could be worth getting 2, even though it’s very unpolished rn

misty laurel
#

i always seem to lose 1 or 2 revives

#

when fighting them

#

idk how to fight them without taking a buttload of dmg

outer flint
#

are you having trouble with ||asterius(bull)|| or ||theseus(the man)||

misty laurel
#

i usually beat the bull first

#

and have trouble with the guy

misty laurel
#

but i take alot of dmg to both

dusty vault
#

Read down from there

light kernel
#

Zaagreus 35
Thanatos 1
hope he isnt sad

gaunt mulch
#

How do i equip a companion? I have a handful of keepsakes with the icon showing I have finished it/have the compaign but i dont see how u equip?

hollow hull
gaunt mulch
#

do i need to unlock that bottom row in the keepsake closest?

#

do you need the keepsake equipped for that companion?

gaunt mulch
#

i dont have anything in that row yet, guess i needto keep playing..

#

not sure why i dont have it tho

grave prawn
#

||thanatos, meg, dusa, Sisyphus, achilles, skelly||

gaunt mulch
#

alrighty

#

I have several done, but not dusa or skelly i think

glossy geyser
dusty vault
#

yeah

#

at some point you'll reach a lock in the hearts, which means you need to do a favor/task for the character

#

often this task is kinda just "keep talking" but you can refer to the wiki for details

#

after that you swap to gifting ambrosia

glossy geyser
#

bet thx

cinder python
#

hi

light kernel
#

What are 5 locked slots under keepsakes?

hollow hull
#

||you need to max relationships for it||

random jasper
#

Why is there like no ytbers that do hades

random sage
somber frigate
random sage
#

the people who do, dont know meta/optimally or can give insightful advice while spoiling the game too early for newer players

random sage
#

just text & some short video tutorials from the discord atp, haelian after you get your first win (and speedruns via speedrun.com for more advanced gameplay)

somber frigate
#

there are most definitely a bunch of roguelite channels but they often just make a handful of videos for each game

lean iris
#

just beat lord hades in hades 1, when shld i move over to hades 2?

somber frigate
#

you're only like a fraction of the way into the game atp

hollow hull
random sage
lean iris
versed epoch
#

if you're just defeating him for the first time, then there's actually way more to the victory itself; cuz it technically still leaves room for further story and gameplay

#

just run out there again lol

lean iris
hollow hull
hollow hull
somber frigate
#

You’re 10% of the way to the credits

#

and you’d be missing out on the epilogue & the rest of Hades 21020 voicelines bouldy

#

The game has like infinite gameplay too cuz you just unlocked new difficulty modifiers to make the game harder

#

Oh wait you already got it explained to you

#

😔

#

My b

#

Am silly

random jasper
lost forge
lost forge
#

TBOI is like one of the most known roguelike

random jasper
#

How do u unlock the titans blood menu

normal chasm
#

I’m not a new player but I suck at the game. Should I ask for help in this channel?

somber frigate
rocky sapphire
#

Does “borrowing” from Charon cause anything bad?

#

Imma do it and find out

#

._.

somber frigate
rocky sapphire
#

Yah found that out the hard way

#

Dude took all my death defiances

glossy geyser
#

is daedalus hammer upgrades classify as a boon? or nah

random sage
#

no

spiral oriole
outer flint
plush oracle
#

it feels good finally having more than 50 starting HP 😭 i didnt know thick skin existed

plush oracle
#

should i realistically js keep doing runs till i get all key unlocks and give the nector to whoever i havnt then after that js keep giving it to 1 person, bc it seeeems like that would be the best but i seriously cannot tell

random sage
#

yes

plush oracle
random sage
#

anytime

plush oracle
#

i didnt know some weapons some runs gave you bonus darkness 😭 im making major bread now and idk what to spend it on bc i have all the upgrades i need

misty laurel
#

@somber frigate ty for the tips the other day i just won 2 rounds in a row

#

the deadalus hammer upgrade that makes ur shield shoot a piercing shot is so broken

#

the fact that u can combo it in with ur attacks and just spam it is kinda crazy

novel swift
#

That's Cshot

#

Arguably the best hammer in the entire game

dusty vault
#

So true

misty laurel
#

it carried the run

#

i didnt even use any of my revives

#

what are good heats to use to just getting started with heat and to just slowly get rewards

misty laurel
somber frigate
#

The first two levels are just fine

misty laurel
somber frigate
#

each level of Extreme measures only upgrades one boss

#

so like

misty laurel
#

ohh

somber frigate
#

like the first two are meg and hydra, and really accessible

#

3 is still fine but a bit annoying

misty laurel
#

that makes sense

somber frigate
#

because all the spawned hydra heads are closer together, you can easily kill multiple at the same time

misty laurel
#

thats great actually

#

cuz thats like