h1-for-new-players

[left sigil]

probably because I wasnt dash striking, but yeah

[novel swift]

And tell us how close your gameplay looks to it

[somber frigate]

Bow is only slow if you let standing striking chain you dow-

[left sigil]

...not very close

also I dont even know if I had attack boons

[somber frigate]

Even with Hera being a cast based aspect

Given your attack is literally the delivery of your casts

And something you’re doing 24/7

[polar finch]

Standing strikes are useful with funny pseudo tech

[somber frigate]

you still want to grab a good attack boon for bow

plus you want to fill your core boons to get better boon odds for your duos and other secondary boons anyways

[left sigil]

what are some good hera bow guides?

[somber frigate]

there’s one excellent one somewhere

[left sigil]

I used to main that weapon before, but that was when I was still trash

[somber frigate]

Can’t remember where the link is

[left sigil]

👍

[novel swift]

Hera guide go brrrrrrrrrrrr https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IHgXN-_iYn3G2BWUJ05GSi0Qm4j4FsE0yPNM3stKpOE/edit

[somber frigate]

Have I asked you what you’d rather me do then send that video? Is you disliking it just a bit or would you seriously rather me not

[novel swift]

It's just funny to get mad, I don't actually care

[somber frigate]

cool

Off to make some scuffed hammer tierlists

[novel swift]

Hera/Zagbow Hammer tier list https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1240373379073052733/1262229861515395082/Screenshot_2024-07-14_211026.png?ex=6695d6aa&is=6694852a&hm=e14370a77e48b9e986a63891400f3cf5dce732c726c47390fe3796ad9c2d3f20&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

List is Twin, Triple, Flurry in S, Pointblank and Perfect in A, Chain and Explosive in B, Charged, Relentless and Conc in C, and Sniper and Piercing in F

[somber frigate]

yeah

I'd have to agree

did you find that on tierlist.com or did you upload the images yourself

or tiermaker

whatever it's aclled

[novel swift]

Tiermaker

It has all the hammers

Just type Hades Hammers

[somber frigate]

oh fr

I may have ripped and uploaded the sword hammers for my tierlist myself

[novel swift]

I'm too lazy to do that lmao

[left sigil]

tyy

[left sigil]

I find twin shot too slow to charge but I also havent tried dash striking with it

is it a lot better with dash strikes?

[novel swift]

Dashstriking is always better

(not always, but you get my point)

[somber frigate]

it doesn't charge any slower then regular

it charges the exact same rate

[left sigil]

oh damn

[somber frigate]

it just has a lower max range

it's literally just doubling your damage

and yes

it gets far better with dash striking

you can make way better use of it since you deal with the lower range way easier

you're on the move and taking your shots quicker so you can take better advantage of the double damage

[left sigil]

👍

[polar finch]

Explosive slander

[novel swift]

It's in B, I can't with a good conscience put it in A

[polar finch]

But pseudo tech

[novel swift]

Even with Pseudo tech, is it really on the same level as perfect or point blank?

[polar finch]

I mean in point blank range its prob more damage

Its at least better than chain shot

[somber frigate]

how is relentless on Rama?

[novel swift]

good for doom stacking, terrible for anything else

[somber frigate]

and explosive for that matter

[novel swift]

And doom stacking sucks

[somber frigate]

is Explosive any better on Rama then the regular bows

or relatively same strength

[novel swift]

Same

[somber frigate]

kk

[sweet brook]

i'd argue explosive on rama is worse

the charge up time is so horrendous

you can make it work in normal rooms but it's god awful in boss fights

[novel swift]

I'd think it's better than not having a second hammer at all

[sweet brook]

no it's worse

i'd rather have no 2nd hammer than explosive

[novel swift]

idk, i'm no rama expert

[sweet brook]

play 1 run where you get explosive on rama and you'll change your mind

[novel swift]

I have, I thought it was okay

But that was a long time ago

[hollow hull]

I mean

I get hit a lot on Rama anyways

Explosive makes it worse

[timber plinth]

what's pseudo tech?

[polar finch]

https://youtu.be/vNDe40Koqjg?si=NQ16_F2_hBbUUJxe

Basically if you press special or cast you can animation cancel it with attack to get a faster standing strike after a dashstrike

[timber plinth]

that's insane

does that work with Flurry Shot?

[polar finch]

Yep

In end of the vid

[steady lark]

i couldnt get it

[sweet brook]

It also works on guan yu

And imo it's easier to execute on guan Yu

You kinda still need quick spin to make it good tho lmao

[zealous quartz]

lol i just triggered the "borrow 300" from charon.

[steady lark]

My condolences

[zealous quartz]

oh wait....that wasn't fun....or funny.....at all....that ruined my run. i got my ass kicked.....damn.

and now i'm super pissed. huh.

but also, another little gem/adventure i had no idea about so +1 to loving the game. but the heat in my face from rage hasn't gone away yet.

i'm seething.

Hrmmm....22% chance of the encounter, may as well just roll wit it when I can as a beginner (on my 85th attempt) so long as I'm not almost finished w/ a run...I suppose that's the fun! It's a gamble!

[zealous quartz]

Anyone have a good beginner guide on what order to start attempting heats in? I've only done heat 1 w/ convenience fee

[somber frigate]

Yeah

In #h1-high-heat-strategies there’s a guide for 1-32

The first two are tight deadline and extreme measures iirc

Since tight deadline 1 is pretty manageable by most people with a half decent build and extreme measures 1 just mixes up the furies fight

[zealous quartz]

Found these:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16_JXPaAt8fegie6Ss2x5tVeaR-FzoFlIgp0etd3yLHI/edit

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DorDu9hRVO2kHZN0aZOY1eUwkxdtmmg06-05dDuli_4/edit?gid=1324338073#gid=1324338073

[steady lark]

|| https://i.imgur.com/UQgfOtx.png ||

the spoilers rule in this channel kinda died out

[zealous quartz]

i'm sitting on 7 titan blood too -- i should probably do something about that, haven't unlocked all weapon aspects, i just keep going in order of whichever weapon has the buff.

[steady lark]

if you want to know the best aspect for each weapon we could tll you

[sweet brook]

My guide includes the spreadsheet link for going from 1-32 lmao

[cedar delta]

Feels like the Hades 1 channels aren't patrolled very much nowadays. Is a lawless land where squirrels roam free

[proud mortar]

does the bow just suck without flurry shot? Find it the hardest one to do well with. Do I just find +Special boons and rely on special attack if I don't get flurry?

[cedar delta]

Always be Dash-Striking

It's the key

[proud mortar]

yeah i did that, still not much dps. Made it to Thesius fight, but it was such a slog and I eventually succumbed.

[dusty vault]

you want twin/triple + perfect/point blank/flurry/explosive

[sweet brook]

also depends on what your attack boon was

[fathom flame]

Always dash strike and always PowerShot. But yeah, it's aspects are big upgrades over the base weapon

[cedar delta]

The base bow is fantastic

[proud mortar]

depends on boons u get probably. My experience with base bow hasn't been great lol. Will give it a shot again soon.

[hollow hull]

Aphro or arty is best

Twin or triple are required to have good damage

[proud mortar]

artemis for the crit chance? seems good

ah k

[hollow hull]

Base bow upgraded has enough crit chance that you can take aphro tbh

But either work

[proud mortar]

when u say twin or triple, are those hammer upgrades? I wish hammer boons can be seen in codex, only olympian gods atm lol.

[hollow hull]

Yeah twin shot and triple shot

[polar finch]

Yep

[hollow hull]

Second hammer is ideally point blank or perfect

[somber frigate]

Base bow is fantastic

[somber frigate]

As a zag bow main, it is powerful

Hera and Rama far outstrip it but it can hold it’s own quite well

[proud mortar]

I had triple shot in my last run. I thought it was an AOE buff...but I'm guessing you need to stand close to bosses for triple dmg?

[somber frigate]

You dash in close for triple boss damage

then dash out

It’s harder to use than twin shot for sure

[fathom flame]

I mean, I didnt say it was bad at all. I said the aspects are big upgrades

[somber frigate]

But it is a good base damage upgrade

[somber frigate]

Well tbf zag bow is an aspect itself

Chiron’s the only runt of the litter and even then it’s a bow

So it’ll do ok

[proud mortar]

ic. Yeah because dashing in and out with triple shot seems rough. Feel like you would just dash side to side instead, around the boss, to keep DPSing.

[somber frigate]

well you can do that too

When I said rough

I really mean just range wise

[proud mortar]

ah

[somber frigate]

At least with twinshot you can get the double damage on enemies that are midrange away

Triple you have to be in their face to get triple damage on any given enemy

[proud mortar]

yep

[somber frigate]

So you can do a lot more with twinshot from wherever you are imo

If you dash and alecto decides to go flying off

You still can shoot her

[hollow hull]

World record is with triple

And shackle lmao

[novel swift]

Ananke my Goat

[cobalt wasp]

I took a long break from Hades after getting to heat 8 on all weapons. Could someone remind me, if I skip heat to 16. I wouldn’t be able to reduce back down to a lower heat for rewards, right? I would have to do 16 heat multiple times. So should I go up one by one?

[zealous quartz]

lolwut, just ran into tiny vermin encounter for the first time.

i have ME and i sweaaaar i haven't had an ares boon friggin' spawn SINCE.

is it accurate that demeter fists, when you get kinetic launcher, you don't need to charge it?

[dusty vault]

Skioping heats will give you bounties for your lowest heat available

You could do 16 multiple times until it catches up but you can go back to whatever is your current heat

[cobalt wasp]

Oh, so you can reduce heat after skipping. I didn’t know

[somber frigate]

Well that’s the thing

You cannot skip

If you go over, it treats it as the lowest heat you haven’t completed

So you can dial it up to 16, complete a run, but if you haven’t completed 3 heat yet it’ll treat it as though your run was 3 heat and put your next bounty at 4

[left sigil]

One run will mark both bounties as done though right?

Even if you only get 1 set of rewards

[steady lark]

no

[proud mortar]

so is zeus attack really good for railgun? and flurry bow? Anything with ranged fast AS?

not sure if aphro or zeus is better. Reddit says zeus attack with Aspect of Eris.

[hollow hull]

Yes, flurry still does well with aphro or arty though

[sweet brook]

Yes for rail, eh for flurry shot bow

[steady lark]

reddit is right for once

[somber frigate]

yeah typically speaking the flat damage gods work way better on the fast attack speed and +% works way better on slow attack speed

zeus just happens to be the best form of flat damage for rail by a mile

[proud mortar]

ahh k, interesting lol.

i picked artemis for this run. Epic, least I have crit chance for that AS.

[somber frigate]

...

gotta love 1 extra damage on those bullets

[hardy yarrow]

Lmao

[proud mortar]

i picked Athena as starting shackle, for the dash reflect. Then I got Artemis lol.

isn't dash reflect the go to at start?

[somber frigate]

not really

[proud mortar]

ah k, saw a vid on it.

[novel swift]

Ddash is a crutch

[somber frigate]

for most weapons they want things that are actually relevant to their build

immediately

so they run god keepsakes to grab their build pieces and will maybe take ddash if they aren't using a different dash or have found tdash

[proud mortar]

gotcha. My first run I completed was using dash reflect. Maybe it's a good crutch indeed. 😄

[sweet brook]

There was a Reddit post about that yesterday about why people call it a crutch lmao

[novel swift]

Also, youtube builds usually suck

[somber frigate]

well it does it job right? it's just that it's job isn't something you immediately need on most weapons

[novel swift]

I haven't been on the reddit since the Arthur 62 troll

[somber frigate]

it's not bad at what it does, you just don't take it first

[sweet brook]

Oh nvm it was wondering why people said it was mid or something

[somber frigate]

and if you're constantly taking it because you "need" that defence boost then you maybe need to reevaluate your dashing skills

[proud mortar]

so if ur an attack build, pick the right shackle u want for attack boon right away? And same with cast/special respectively if ur doing those builds?

[sweet brook]

I wonder if they got any updates actually lmao

[novel swift]

Idk man as someone with around 10 40 Heat runs under my belt I will literally always take Divine Dash over pretty much everything. Unless the build really requires a specific dash to create a broken interaction, Divine Dash is good with every build, every weapon, and is simply incredible. I agree with the top post of this comment chain that 8.5 is a little weird for easily the best Dash in the game.

[somber frigate]

yeah

you pick the god keepsake of the god you want first

and then the god keepsake of the god you want second into asphodel

[proud mortar]

💪

[somber frigate]

shackle just happens to be a good pick on a few weapons where you're ok with a few different things

to handle the early rooms of tartarus

you get more value from it at high heat or speedrunning

[novel swift]

For speedrunning, most weapons start Tdash

[sweet brook]

There has been no updates lmao

[novel swift]

What a surprise

[sweet brook]

No edits on the original or new posts from the user

[somber frigate]

I think nem starts with shackle I can't remember hwat else

[novel swift]

Zag bow

[dusty vault]

Wait did someone said they did 62 with arthur

[novel swift]

Yes

[dusty vault]

Lmfao

[sweet brook]

Allegedly

[novel swift]

They did not actually do it

[dusty vault]

Is it just a text post or they have the blurriest pic known to hades

[novel swift]

No pic

Just a claim

[sweet brook]

Text post

They also said 64 was possible

[dusty vault]

Found it

[sweet brook]

And they'd writena guide on it

[dusty vault]

wheeze

[sweet brook]

Yeah lmao

[novel swift]

That stuff was so funny

[sweet brook]

Dare you to comment and ask about an update lmao

[novel swift]

Also, I love how they say 63 is possible

[hardy yarrow]

I just started unlocking the 4th aspects of weapons and I was wondering if any of them are better than the first 3? Cause the pinned chart doesn't mention them

[somber frigate]

pinned chart didn't want to spoiler them

[hardy yarrow]

Yeah ik, that's why I asked

[somber frigate]

spear, shield, bow are all pretty excellent, rail is decent, sword and fists are less so

[hardy yarrow]

Oki ty

[novel swift]

Arthur is bad, Guan Yu is good, Beo is OP as all hell, Rama is Great, Gilga sucks and Lucy is great

[novel swift]

The madman actually did it lmao

[dusty vault]

I'm gonna laugh if they respond

[novel swift]

I did

[proud mortar]

support fire very good with fast AS? i chose it. seeking arrow for 10 dmg per hit.

[dusty vault]

Is aight

[proud mortar]

ehh seems ok. yeah lol

[sweet brook]

Incredibly based

Please give us updates

Okay who replied to his comment asking about the guide too lmfao

[novel swift]

Damn, who would do that?

[sweet brook]

Lmfao

[proud mortar]

does perfect shot 150% work before u get the full charge of power shot? Is it incremental dmg up to 150% or is it 0% buff until fully charged? I think I should've taken point-blank shot lol.

nm figured it out. white flash window = power shot. perfect shot

[somber frigate]

It only applies to perfect shots

[hidden bluff]

I don't understand what Dark Foresight does.

[somber frigate]

So normally gold laurel rooms and blue laurel rooms are weighted equally

[hidden bluff]

What are those

[somber frigate]

You have a 50:50 chance of getting either

gold laurels : in run stuff

Boons obols, etc

blue = out of run currency

Darkness

[dusty vault]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/520688402958516254/660997121406926849/hades_room_rewards_guide.png?ex=6697b3ca&is=6696624a&hm=fcb05d78fbfd64ab99568537bb66b9d3d2c5076dab112844808607133c5af1d0&

[somber frigate]

Dark foresight makes it 70:30

So you see a ton more boons and obols etc

[proud mortar]

completed first run with bow bois. Aphrodite attack, triple shot and perfect shot hammer upgrades.

[dusty vault]

Gg

[proud mortar]

u have to play melee range with bow pretty much. Maybe twin/flurry shot you don't.

railgun prob meant for true ranged

[dusty vault]

Rail is a melee weapon tbh

[proud mortar]

really? guess i got more to learn

i did the first aspect with ammo and i was sticking on the outside.

[dusty vault]

You use tidal dash in all of them pretty much

Or spread fire + zag rail

[proud mortar]

knock foes away...interesting.

[dusty vault]

Hestia rail does have a bit more range but once again tidal dash gud

Less the knockback part and more the "highest dmg dash"

[proud mortar]

why knock foes away? synergize with knock away boons?

hmm

dash doing the dps? weird

[novel swift]

It's not the knock away that is nice, it's the damage

[dusty vault]

For hestia it gives you some needed aoe for small enemies

For eris you give the highest dmg dash a +75% bonus

[proud mortar]

excuse my noob, hestia is an aspect or something?

[novel swift]

Although, Breaking wave is great for styx

[dusty vault]

3rd aspect yeah

[proud mortar]

k ya thx

[dusty vault]

Manually reloading makes your first shot deal extra dmg

Max lvl the bullet does 150

[proud mortar]

manually reloading with 12 ammunition u guys are doing? I think I maxed out the first aspect for QoL. lol, I dislike manual reloading.

[novel swift]

On you on controller?

[proud mortar]

so manual reload into dash with tidal?

nah PC 😄

[dusty vault]

Hestia is basically a rhythm game

[novel swift]

Shot-Reload, dash, dash, repeat

[dusty vault]

You can cancel the reload animation with your dash

[proud mortar]

ya it's like Tracer in HOTS - if anyone knows, lol.

[dusty vault]

Or well any other move

[proud mortar]

oh, and it still counts as the reload? animation cancel

[dusty vault]

Yeah

[novel swift]

Hestia is Bestia

[dusty vault]

Tidal dash here also means you don't waste your reload shot on a 10 hp enemy too

[novel swift]

Zyru has recently come over to the infernal gang

[dusty vault]

I love base cast

[novel swift]

Same

Why is the base cast better than like half of the other casts

[dusty vault]

It does its job and is all that matters

[proud mortar]

hestia says "next shot is empowered", guessing this means any dmg because tidal dash works?

[somber frigate]

…?

it exclusively applies to your next rail attack

you can’t hestia boost tidal dash

Tidal dash is just strong

[proud mortar]

ohh i see then. You're doing tidal dash to finish off enemies then?

[novel swift]

No, Tdash just does a lot of damage

[proud mortar]

yeah, but why specifically is railgun good with it? Just bc of animation cancel?

while reload

[somber frigate]

Everything is good with tidal dash

[novel swift]

It's not just good on Hestia, it's good on almost everything

[proud mortar]

ok lol.

[somber frigate]

Hestia specifically just has a bunch of high damage hits, and tidal dash happens to be a quick aoe that’ll make light work of anything small and chunk anything big

Imagine trying to hestia impowered shot a horde of numbskulls

Now you could special but that takes a while

Or you could just tdash and kill them all

[verbal oyster]

is there a way to properly combo your moves?

[sweet brook]

sorta kinda lmao

i think the only thing that really feels like a combo in the game is like

sword special -> 2 dash strikes -> repeat

bow is just spamming dash strikes

some with spear basically

shield is hammer dependent but more or less spamming attacks/dash strikes

fists are dash strikes and holding down atk while waiting for your dash cooldown

rail is holding down attack and dash striking while throwing off specials

[livid ermine]

yes, combos are super important if you want to go fast.
for sword I stick to: dashstrike+standstrike+special+repeat
for fists: dashstrike+dashstrike+dashspecial

[primal wigeon]

1. learn the optimal combo for your weapon
2. practice to develop muscle memory and get a good flow going
3. get an awesome daedalus upgrade that doubles your dps
4. it changes the attack tempo and completely throws you off
5. die to butterfly ball

[steady lark]

now what might this hammer be

[primal wigeon]

Actually i had something like that happen to me with heavy knuckle
Was having a good time with athena on attack because malphon attack is easy to deflect with. Heavy knuckle threw off my cadence for an encounter or two, but after a bit I found the dps to be worth it and had a pretty easy run

probably wouldn't take it again tho

[steady lark]

heavy knuckle is just bad

it does not increase ur dps by x2

oh with divine strike

[primal wigeon]

i mean it was fine

i had 3 options that i didn't want so i took the fated

so now i don't have to take it again 😄

[wanton mauve]

impossible

[left sigil]

how do you unlock 64 heat?

the highest level my heat gets to is 63

[sweet brook]

Hell mode gives you an extra heat

[verbal oyster]

I also heard that Hell mode unlocks heat early is that true?

[zenith stirrup]

yea, Hell Mode lets you have the pact since the beginning

[somber frigate]

It forces you to start with 5 heat

So

yes

[verbal oyster]

I see

When I first saw the option I was like nope

[polar finch]

Its annoying since you cant turn those heats off at all if you want to do some quick runs

[proud mortar]

if you dash strike, do you get the dash dmg from a dash boon? Guessing no.

Also, I need to fight Charon twice in a row. But I'm not getting that "borrow" option to start fight recently. Is it just rng that you are able to fight him?

[hollow hull]

Only hunter dash and any chaos dash strike additive, which specifically work on the dash strike

[dusty vault]

22% for the bag to appear yeah

[zenith stirrup]

They also only appear in middle shops

[placid belfry]

what does 64 mean?

[steady lark]

its a number

[cedar delta]

2^6, bby

[somber frigate]

Depends on the context

[left sigil]

Wait if I have Poseidon dash and I dash strike, my dash effect doesn’t apply?

[hollow hull]

It will, but it won’t add to the dash strike damage coming from your weapon

[steady lark]

why are you making it so complicated

just say yes

[left sigil]

So if my dash strike does 25 and my dash does 35 damage, will it apply the knockback but not the 35 damage?

[polar finch]

Itll still do the splash effect and damage

Its independent of you attacking or not during the dash

[left sigil]

Wait so what’s not adding to my dash strike?

[polar finch]

Idk, nothing

The tdash damage just isnt applied by your strike its applied by the splash

[left sigil]

Oh okay, that part makes sense

[cedar delta]

Dash boons are their own things (except Artemis's)

[hollow hull]

Because I don’t want to convey that the dash effect doesn’t happen

[steady lark]

thats what you conveyed based on the response

[junior comet]

Do you guys have any tips for a new player?

[hollow hull]

Fair. I should’ve worded it better

[hollow hull]

Have fun, try different things.

Fast attacks work well with Zeus and slow attacks work well with Artemis and Aphrodite

Tidal dash is good

[junior comet]

Thanks

[steady lark]

your dash has iframes if you dash strike you dont get them

[somber frigate]

Make full use of your ability to dash, and try to logic out what would work well for builds on certain weapons (Dragon Appenix kinda got you started off, but generally +% attack and strike boons will go on heavier attacks, while flat damage goes on quicker ones)

and feel from to come ask questions about anything

[placid belfry]

how do i refil god gauge

why on earth does this bot do this

[zenith stirrup]

deal and take damage to fill god gauge

[dusty vault]

People kept posting about h2 here

It just tried to keep the msg at the bottom

[placid belfry]

do these show how many death deviances i have left?https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1262120451036155965/1263973241446203443/image.png?ex=669c2e50&is=669adcd0&hm=60bef39e96e9feeccc4b926c6d341be5df306c31364e92761adcbda1a738aef5&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=678&height=147

[dusty vault]

yeah

[broken girder]

as well as where they come from

[verbal oyster]

Which weapon is the fastest?

[steady lark]

hidden shield aspect

[verbal oyster]

Thx

[broken girder]

~~ gilga 😔 ~~

[slow slate]

You can also use the spear with the hammer upgrade were it takes away the special for fast stabbing

[placid belfry]

are rare and epic boons the same as normal boons but just with better stats?

[zenith stirrup]

yup

with better base stats, to clarify

because poms also raise the stats, but that's a different thing

[somber frigate]

👍
There’s also a 4th, higher tier, Heroic. (Only obtainable by 3 methods)
and as Kuja mentioned, rarity and pom levels don’t affect each other.

[placid belfry]

ic

[left flare]

There's also Duo Boons

[somber frigate]

Yeah but they’re beside the point

I could’ve mentioned legendary boons as well but that wasn’t relevant

Heroic specifically was mentioned because it was about regular boon rarities and given it’s #h1-for-new-players, not every player has yet seen or figured out how to obtain heroics

[left flare]

true

[verbal oyster]

So when I go into some rooms there’s a chest with gold in it and I need to defeat enemies to get the gold why does the number of gold go down?

[sweet brook]

the troves lose value the longer you take to beat them

it's just how it works lmao

[left flare]

Infernal Troves count down the reward value the longer you take to defeat all the enemies

Take too long = little rewards
Defeat them quickly = more rewards

[modern storm]

hey guys, what is this little icon that started appearing next to enemies? there are a few diff ones, anywhere I can read up on all of them? fyi I do not mean the shield but the little sword icon

https://i.imgur.com/Ul6drEs.png

[somber frigate]

Did you perhaps

turn on

The benefits package heat option

[modern storm]

yeah that was it, oops lol

thanks!

[somber frigate]

There’s a list of what they all do somewhere

and which enemies can get which ones

Think it’s on the wiki

[dusty vault]

Pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat too

[primal wigeon]

https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Pact_of_Punishment#Benefits_Package

[placid belfry]

to unlock the hidden aspects do i need to have 5 titan blood overall or does it only count for non-zagreus aspects?

[dusty vault]

Hidden spear is 5 non zag aspects unlocked
Other aspects is 5 blood invested into any

[placid belfry]

alright thanks

[dusty vault]

For non spears you do need to have the hidden spear revealed first btw

[primal wigeon]

If you don't mind spoilers the unlocks are all on the wiki

but otherwise the game is really good at having most of the content unlock naturally if you just play it enough

[placid belfry]

i checked but i was sorta confused on whether they could zagreus aspects or any

[dusty vault]

They're also pinned in #h1-story-discussion

[gritty crag]

Which of the 3 diamond upgrades should I buy?
Brilliant Gemstones
Vintage Nectar or
Fated Chthonic keys?

I've never used a Fated Authority before, are they any good?

[dusty vault]

do fated keys but you want to swap to fated persuasion

authorithy is ok but boon rerolls are a lot better

[gritty crag]

How do I do that?

[somber frigate]

The green side of your mirror is accessed per individual upgrade

If you open your mirror and have the green side unlocked, you should be able to navigate left to a button wjth 2 arrows

click it and that upgrade will flip over to the green side

if you have fated authority you likely have the green side of the mirror unlocked already

[leaden whale]

newish here, does u have to avoid escaping ?cuz A wanna beat the game 100% n it seems escaping gets the game closer to the credits?

[cedar delta]

No, you can't really miss anything unless you're like an otherworldly talented player

I mean like AlexCA fresh file streaker

[somber frigate]

The only reason you would ever avoid escaping is just like not wanting to experience the rest of the story

See credits or ever be able to do the epilogue

[leaden whale]

A wanna finish the story when A want to

A wanna rizz meg n than n hypnos before beating the game

[somber frigate]

The game has 21020 voicelines you’ll be far from finishing the story

Unless “finishing the story” just means hitting credits or completing the epilogue to you

[leaden whale]

isnt it 10 escapes to beat the game?

[somber frigate]

yeah but

there’s a heck of a ton more beyond that

[leaden whale]

so A can still smash every single npc possible?

[somber frigate]

If you leave there you’re missing so much more Hades

I have 260 escapes on my main savefile

[leaden whale]

A wanna do everything in 1 run

[somber frigate]

your game isn’t over once you hit credits

[leaden whale]

nice

[somber frigate]

you can still go back in, do more npc stuff, keep dojng the loop, you just have a different reason to

that the game will explain itself

[leaden whale]

oh oki

[somber frigate]

The purpose of zagreus escaping switches is what I mean*

[leaden whale]

A'll go kill hades 4 more times then

thx

[somber frigate]

||3 but yeah||

goodness

I’m great at this

[leaden whale]

no 4 its 10 kills to beat n Am on like 6

[somber frigate]

Ok so

hear me out

[leaden whale]

[somber frigate]

go get your tenth escapr

[leaden whale]

oki

[somber frigate]

and see for yourself

You do need to escape 10 times

[leaden whale]

https://tenor.com/view/band-of-brothers-gif-27205452

[olive bolt]

Ehllo ive been playing hades for a week now im at 40 attemps and i still cant beat the final boss (hades) any tips that can help?😭😭

[glacial arrow]

Me 2 44 attempts

Shield of Zagreus aspect and keep hitting the enemies with doom and pray you get good item to finish him?

[devout pecan]

How many Death Defiances are you walking into the fight with? Are you getting there at what feels like full strength or just barely making it?

[smoky sage]

don't stress it

it took me 120 runs to beat hades

[somber frigate]

Dash strike more often

Use your keepsakes in tartarus and asphodel to force the gods you want for your build in, then take defensive keepsakes/hourglass/purse for elysium and defensive keepsakes for styx

[hardy yarrow]

Dedication

[primal wigeon]

there's a really big learning curve figuring out hades attack patterns
it makes the difference between using 3 death defiances and using 0 against him

[devout pecan]

Yeah first one or two times I beat him required all three

[primal wigeon]

yeah, and it's usually 0-1 for me now

more likely to need it on a melee build

and sometimes you don't NEED the defiance, but having it means you can safely stand in his face and wail on him because he just dies faster than you

[leaden whale]

just to double check; you can 100% the game in the postgame?

[steady lark]

yes

[somber frigate]

You need to be in the postgame to 100% the game, and you can’t lock yourself out that

[leaden whale]

okiiiii

cuz A have been vvvv scared to keep escaping

tyyyyyyy

[olive bolt]

I beat it today bro!!! I dont know but i bought the bow where you can load your cast (it was a mistake) and i had so many attemps thinking if i beat the game i would get like the blood thing, but i didnt know that you can buy em at the lounge😭😭😭, and there i bought bow of chiro, and little did i know that thing is powerfull

[olive bolt]

Just 1, mostly lost it at astherius and the other guy, also it always comes down to fighting hades below 50% health😭

[abstract latch]

sorry this is my first time playing these games, for the boons of athena, will i get a chance to get all the upgrades or once i pick it it will be locked?

bruh this is the first hades

[hollow hull]

Wdym

Unpicked boons don’t disappear

[abstract latch]

right so i can get all of the boons of athena upgrades?

[hollow hull]

But you might not get all of Athena’s boons offered during the run just bc she might not show up that much

[abstract latch]

she have an rng of showing up or sumn lmao

[hollow hull]

Yeah pretty much

[abstract latch]

oh wtf aight then thanks lol

[hollow hull]

First run is a little different since the god pool is locked to Athena ||ares|| ||Dionysus|| and ||Artemis||

[hollow hull]

In a normal run, there’s up to 8 gods offered and your chance of getting any of those gods is 1/8 until you fill your god pool with 4 gods, after which you won’t get offered new gods and the probability is 1/4.

[abstract latch]

right thanks

ill just play the game

i just got fomo lol

[hollow hull]

Very real

It’s a great game

[abstract latch]

ill just call it a skill issue for me lol

[hollow hull]

Nah it is what it is

The game can’t really die in any significant way since it’s singleplayer

And not getting updates after release

[abstract latch]

yeah im just new to these games so ill just play it how it is

[abstract latch]

ah yeah realising i meant boons rather than just boons of athena

just got zeus's boon

[hollow hull]

yeah it's generally pretty easy to fill your core boons

[abstract latch]

yeah it was the literal first room after escaping, he gave me a rare blessing as well lol

[abstract latch]

||i killed mag, first of the furies and got her blood, i swear it said i can go to achillies with it and he can help me but theres no interaction||

[dusty vault]

Using blood is post unlocking all weapons

[abstract latch]

right thank you

[dusty vault]

Achilles does have some role for it too but that's slightly later

[abstract latch]

gotcha, thanks

[abstract latch]

any easy way to fill up my god bar for the call thing? i kill the enemies before i get a chance to use it

[dusty vault]

Number of hits matter a lot more than dmg dealt

So smth like soear with flurry jab hammer + zeus attack will give you more call than idk, a bow build

The other way to ignore this is to go for aphrodite-zeus duo boon

It makes calls charge on their own at 1% every 0.2s

It caps the gauge at 25% but is not really a downside cuz most calls are better used at 1 bar

[abstract latch]

great that i got it whilst using the bow. im only like 2 hours in the game btw

[abstract latch]

so if i reject it the duo boon is garunteed?

[hollow hull]

Smair is good to have in that situation yeah

[hollow hull]

No

[dusty vault]

Duos are boons that only appear if you have certain boons as pre requisites (+luck)

[hollow hull]

Call is a prerequisite for smair

You need a core from each god for smair

[dusty vault]

Cores are the 5 boons to the left of your ui

Attack/special/cast/dash/call

[abstract latch]

ahh gotcha thanks

[tall phoenix]

How to improve in the game, I have gotten past ||elysium|| 2 times, but died after in both of them, I am currently using malphon with zag's aspect, but accidentally spent some blood wrong, what should I do, the ||hydra|| is pretty easy for me, I struggle with ||tisiphone|| and with the boss of ||elysium|| (New to the server, don't know what I should mark as spoiler

[hollow hull]

Anything from the final boss onwards is a spoiler

[tall phoenix]

Okay, but still, what should I do to improve with elysium boss

[hollow hull]

Focus asterius first and try to dodge Theseus or block his attacks with pillars

At a certain range he’ll only spear pretty much

Divine dash will help to deflect some asterius moves and Theseus spear

[tall phoenix]

What can divine dash deflect from asterius (didn't really think to try it, I don't know why)

[dusty vault]

his melee attacks in general

not the rush tho

[tall phoenix]

Nice, what are the best keepsakes?

[dusty vault]

meta order is usually god keepsakes in tart/aspho to shape your build then safety or utility (acorn/hourglass/tooth)

[tall phoenix]

So I will probably have athena's keepsake to try to get divine dash and then switch to something like tooth, understood, will try to escape now

[hollow hull]

The purple ground things

[tall phoenix]

Forgot the most important question

Why is fishing harder than the bosses

[steady lark]

ive deflected the bullrush many times

[real bough]

(i love it)

[novel swift]

average Hades enjoyer

[hollow hull]

The final boss is a spoiler in this channel

[hidden tide]

my bad

[hollow hull]

All g

[cedar delta]

Do you know that Dashing gives iframes but Dash-Strikes do not? Can you post examples of your better builds?

[hollow hull]

You can graduate to one of the other channels or spoiler the name with || on each side

[hidden tide]

ok

[tall phoenix]

||how to get better at fighting hades, got him to 2nd phase (pls don't tell me if there are more, it was quite entertaining because I was at very low hp the first time), but he destroys me once he is there, I am not exactly sure how to dodge him while doing damage in that phase||

[steady lark]

which attack exactly are you getting hit by the most

[tall phoenix]

Those pots always get me and then he hits me with everything else, also I just don't do as much damage as in the first phase

[steady lark]

both have the same hp, atleast i think so

[tall phoenix]

But I can't hit him as much

I just don't have as much time to get close

[steady lark]

when he ||summons a bunch of pots, ignore attacking him for a while. let him break a couple of them with his big swings or just break them preemptively yourself with your attack special or dash before they can explode on you||

[steady lark]

in the ||first phase of his 2nd hp bar, get behind him while he does the 3 lasers||, its free damage

[tall phoenix]

Thanks, will try

[steady lark]

with a good build you should be able to even facetank him with minimum dodging within 1-2 mins, as you develop game knowledge this will happen naturally

[tall phoenix]

That sounds op

[polar finch]

||Generally for dad you wait until he does an attack then you wack him a couple times then wait for him to attack again. Make sure to not be attacking while trying to dodge attacks especially the spin as dash striking removes dash iframes. When he summons a bunch of pots and you dont have the space to safely fight him run to the other side of the arena while breaking pots, you can also let his skulls explode to take out most if the pots though be far away so they dont break on top of you. You can get behind him for the triple laser attack like false side said and for the 360° laser attack at under half hp other than hiding behind the pillars, standing as close to him as possible leaves you in a safe spot from the hitboxes||

[tall phoenix]

||That is kinda what I have been doing, but for 2nd phase it feels much harder to atack and go out||

[polar finch]

You dont need to run away after hitting him you can stay close and iframe his attacks, the amount of iframes you have is very generous if you dont dash strike

[steady lark]

play around the pillars the make things much easier

[primal wigeon]

how many attempts have you given this fight so far?
if it's less than 10 i'd just say keep playing and trying, ||anyone with the ability to clear phase 1 has the skills to finish the entire fight, likely just a matter of getting patterns down. You could look at build advice online but I find it more fun to figure that stuff out unguided at first, then only look at them if you want to attempt the more difficult content. Also in depth build advice tends to assume knowledge of all spoilers||

[devout pecan]

Just realized that the second aspect of every weapon is designed to encourage using the special more

Third aspect seems...more diverse in design, hidden fourth one all have a lot going on with them but mostly all share the same trait of heavier/slower attacks except Lucifer which is pew-pew lazors instead

[somber frigate]

I mean

lucifer is still heavier

in a different sense

the bombs it drops are more potent

[novel swift]

Triple bomb go brrr

[devout pecan]

Oh do they like do more damage when detonated
I honestly just haven't really paid attention to that

I guess the laser also has this like ramp-up effect that can be considered a bit "slow"

[somber frigate]

Well that detonation damage scales with level

It gets up to 100 base damage

[somber frigate]

And the charge up time

[novel swift]

Ramp up is kinda weird

[vague fern]

im tempted to trade titan blood for 200 gems is this worth it early on?

[novel swift]

Prob not worth

[devout pecan]

Save your titan blood

[vague fern]

i see

whats titan blood used for?

[novel swift]

Unlock all the weapons first and you will find out

[vague fern]

ah is it ||weapon aspects?|| I played hades 2 first so i know about those

then yeah ill def save the blood

these bomb guys are way harder than anything in 2 like why are they so difficult?

[primal wigeon]

when you start off they're annoying because you need to develop the muscle memory to avoid bombs
and when you get into the late game they're annoying because they jump away and waste time

[elder igloo]

Finally my accumulated 450+ hours of playing Hades may be of some help to someone else here

[steady lark]

nice

try high hea

[elder igloo]

Michael Jackson tried High Hea hea

[vague fern]

ah i see they are bastards for everyone

[somber frigate]

There are more reasons for them being bastards in the later late game but

Yeah

[vague fern]

is the aspect leveling guide implying that bow of hera is insanely good?

same with ares?

[cedar delta]

Hera bow is bazooka

[hollow hull]

if you mean eris then yeah

[somber frigate]

Yes.

[tall phoenix]

Okay, I tried like 3 times now, thanks

[abstract latch]

does chthonic vitality give +3 to total health or just gives 3 health not affecting total?

[dusty vault]

Is recover 3 hp per door, not max hp

[abstract latch]

dam thats mid

[dusty vault]

It adds up quick if you avoid dmg for a few rooms

• the alternate skill is worse

[abstract latch]

fr?

fair enough

[dusty vault]

Yeah, you don't really want to take darkness doors
So the only heal you really get is the darkness drop post boss

And that's if you already claimed the normal bounty

Which is nice but you already have the fountain after it anyways

Also, no darkness in the last biome

[abstract latch]

ahh okay thanks

[dusty vault]

And the other big point is that one of the strongest mirror skills decreases how often you see darkness in general

[somber frigate]

It’s way better than the super inconsistent and low darkness

[idle lynx]

last boon i’m missing is ‘quick reload’ for hermes. any idea (specific weapon; other boons; etc) how to encourage that to come up?

[hollow hull]

You need infernal soil on the mirror, but other than that, Hermes boons are just chance

[idle lynx]

thank you!

[dusty vault]

Don't take a call too

As that puts the 2 call boons into his pool

[sweet brook]

Don't take plume bc that adds 1 lmao

[idle lynx]

..i’ve been taking the plume because that’s his gift 😅😪😭
i am my own worst enemy

thank you 😭😭

[hollow hull]

It’s only one extra boon added to the pool but yeah

It opens up rush delivery without another move speed bonus

Doesn’t actually raise chances of getting a Hermes

[idle lynx]

i’m fine with however many runs it takes; i’ve just been frustrated because i only have the legendary and duos left (besides hermes) to complete on the fated list and i’m making great progress but at no point in time did i ever see ‘quick reload’ come up and that was super confusing for me 😅

[primal wigeon]

yeah, unlike boons you can't look hammer buffs up in the codex
it's totally fair play to look them up on the wiki, it lists important things like requirements and incompatabilities

[dusty vault]

This is about hermes tho

[primal wigeon]

oh, i saw quick reload and assumed it was an adamant rail thing

[idle lynx]

i found it 😩

thank you all again

..i will probably be back, frustrated about duos 😅

[primal wigeon]

the duos are frustrating, but if oyu go for other objectives (like heat or nectar or whatever) you can earn a lot of them spontaneously

[sweet brook]

Oh I forgot about that lmao I was talking about the legendary lmfao

[hollow hull]

Oh that too yeah

I think what we conclude is that taking plume is just bad news

[abstract latch]

would privilleged status > family favourite and dark foresight > olympian favour?

[dusty vault]

Fam fav over priv status but correct on dark foresight

Fam fav's bonus is only 15% less but it starts from the first boon/doesn't need to go out of your way to trigger like priv

[abstract latch]

hmm i guess, tho would priv be better if you build in to it?

[dusty vault]

If your build is gonna run into the 2 curses on its own then go for priv

Hangover mainly

[abstract latch]

gotcha thanks

[sweet brook]

most good builds naturally dont have 2 curses so it's hard to justify building into it for only a 15% damage increase

dio + aphrodite is a common one

[hollow hull]

Pflare beo is a good one

Chiron

[sweet brook]

aphro cast + dem whatever on beo is good but not really on hera despite being the same build lmao

bc hera needs the immediate damage more

but like you can build aphrodite + dem on say nemesis sword

you just wont have the immediate damage increase from fam favs

and in the end game you'd only have a 15% damage bonus assuming you actually get the right boons

[novel swift]

Most of the time, FF is strictly better

[steady lark]

the spoiler rule is just a suggestion

[elder igloo]

Just a suggestion?

Boi have you lost your dang mind cuz I’ll help you find it

I tend to use spoiler tag ||spoiler skill issue||

[steady lark]

It was a joke bc everyone above seemed to have ignored it

[sweet brook]

oh I didn't realize this was new players lmao I thought this was #h1-builds-and-combat

[elder igloo]

I need time to understand people before I can understand their style of humor

Because well I can’t read tone of voice through text

[steady lark]

its an internet problem

[rancid glade]

does this server have any vc or no

[steady lark]

no

unfortunately

[rancid glade]

dang

was planning on staying in a vc while i played hades for the first time!!!

[steady lark]

id join if there was one

i think talking to the moderators to set one up is worth a shot

this server is chill for the post part so i dont think a vc would cause any problems

[rancid glade]

yea

[cedar delta]

I think AD has previously expressed that voice would be hard to moderate

[steady lark]

im saying it wont need moderation

[cedar delta]

Oh I totally misread you

[rancid glade]

this game is awesome

what is better the golden coin with the insignia or the pomegrante

[steady lark]

coin lets you buy stuff in-run in shops poms let you upgrade your current boons

[rancid glade]

the wine god >>>> everyone else

[abstract latch]

dire misfortune or impending doom?

[novel swift]

What build?

[abstract latch]

right i thought it sorta depended on that, run is dead anyways so different question, for doom, if i hit someone with a normal attack like 5 times under a second, would the doom still only hit once?

[novel swift]

yes

[abstract latch]

thanks

[hollow hull]

Impending

[abstract latch]

i did go with that

also, in styx, im guessing after doing the 5 paths the paths reset and the enemies including final boss become stronger?

[hollow hull]

No

[abstract latch]

so its just those 5 paths and then forced to do the boss?

[hollow hull]

Yeah

[abstract latch]

oh i see, i thought there was some endless thing no?

also can you do all 5 and then the boss or is it over once you get the snack for cerb

[steady lark]

you play over and over, theres no endless mode

[abstract latch]

as in a whole new run?

[steady lark]

u can do all 5 as long as you dont|| hand the sack to cerb||

if you|| feed it to him the tunnels lock||

[abstract latch]

got it thanks

[steady lark]

yeah

[abstract latch]

so whats the best way to get titan blood? because i dont how you're getting 1200 gold unless you just dont spend it at all?

[steady lark]

have you won yet?

[abstract latch]

no

[steady lark]

like a clear

[abstract latch]

but i can guess what that means

so ill just have to win

[steady lark]

once you do youll unlock a way to get much more

[abstract latch]

||i got to his phase 2 on my 21st escape attempt. is that good?||

[abstract latch]

got it thanks

[steady lark]

that seems to be the usual progression for most people if not faster

i mean my first clear took me 87 attempts 💀 so

[abstract latch]

ooh damn

well im hoping to get a sub 25

[steady lark]

in general or for a first clear?

[abstract latch]

i just started off with not the best keepsakes so gotta get that

[abstract latch]

first clear, dont know what you mean by in general, if you mean like 100% then thats insanity

[steady lark]

ohh u mean sub 25 runs

for some reason i thought sub25 minute clear lol

[abstract latch]

ohh lol

||is the shield aspect of zeus as good as i think it is?? 8 hits and all at the same damage? i mean might be a slow return but seems good||

[steady lark]

not sure what you mean by || 8 hits and all at the same damage|| ngl

[abstract latch]

and out of the first 3 is that the best?

[novel swift]

It's kinda goated

[steady lark]

its nice but nothing extraordinary in terms of damage

[abstract latch]

||oh wait it says 8 damage per hit||

i forgot to read lmao

[abstract latch]

oh word

[dusty vault]

How do I get more blood

• beating the first boss for the first time with a weapon will net you one blood.
• final boss drops another + after that you unlock the best way to farm blood.
  other sources:
  trading for it at the lounge:
• 1 ambrosia for 1 T.blood is always there.
• 15 keys for 1 blood which is super good
• list of minor prophecies.
• Charon may sell one blood for 1200 gold at the last area shop

[steady lark]

its mostly good bc you can use it to full potential while also utilizing block and bull rush iframes making it quite safe

[abstract latch]

is it the best of the first 3?

[steady lark]

you could say that

[novel swift]

It's not Aspecet of cshot (fr fr), so it's pretty nice

[abstract latch]

got it, also is there anything that the shield doesn't block?

[abstract latch]

well gee i wonder which one that could be, totally not the aspect of ????

[novel swift]

No, aspect of cshot is a joke

[dusty vault]

Stuff like that one furies attack that come from below pretty sure

[steady lark]

it blocks pretty much everything in front of it i think? but there are some buggy ones/exceptions that im sure the zeus mains LOVE 😍

[dusty vault]

And sometimes if the attack is blocked point blank it may do the funny "blocked!" And you take a hundred dmg

Oh yeah splitting bolt bug too lmao

[abstract latch]

ah i see lol

[abstract latch]

ah like the circles on the ground shi

[abstract latch]

what is this?

[steady lark]

splitting bolt occasionally makes the block not block i think

[dusty vault]

Sometimes while splitting bolt (Zeus's legendary) is doing its thing, the block gets disabled for a very short amount

[abstract latch]

dam just for no reason huh

[dusty vault]

The best clip I have that shows it is a spoiler for you tho

[abstract latch]

aww. ill bring it up later

[dusty vault]

But tbh I wouldn't worry about it and just get splitting if it shows up tho

Is just nice extra dmg

[abstract latch]

nah yeah i mostly rely on dodge anyway

i done that almost full run without blocking once lmao

i should prolly utilise it

[dusty vault]

Block is so balanced so yeah use it

[abstract latch]

leave me alone 😭

[dusty vault]

[abstract latch]

i mean i use the dodge that gives extra damage on a good dodge so i just try to do that, and im just mapped to do it because i play too much elden ring

[dusty vault]

Were you using ruthless reflex with all weapons or just shield

[steady lark]

oh you mean the mirror talent

[abstract latch]

uhhh all weapons

[dusty vault]

Ouch

[abstract latch]

am i cooked?

pfft i just wont get hit, plus i can hermes

[dusty vault]

This game's core gameplay on all weapons is pretty much "oops, all dash strikes"

So the 2nd dash has a lot more value in general

[abstract latch]

ah i see

[dusty vault]

Unless hidden fists or shield

[abstract latch]

that makes sense

[dusty vault]

Not only dash strikes but you also get movement which is nice

[abstract latch]

even on the rail?

[dusty vault]

And why rely on a 50% dodge when you can just iframe again

[dusty vault]

Yeah

You don't wanna be a sitting duck

[abstract latch]

gotcha

[dusty vault]

Also all the rails use tidal dash so you wanna be dashing all time anyways

[dusty vault]

Specifically zeus shield or hidden shield tho*

[steady lark]

👎

[novel swift]

👍

[dusty vault]

Hater

[steady lark]

unless youre speedrunning you dont want to get tdash all the time 😭 thats so boring

[abstract latch]

sorry whats that?

[steady lark]

poseidon dash does a lot of damage

[abstract latch]

posiden?

[abstract latch]

ah

[dusty vault]

Alright get divine dash then

[novel swift]

IDK man

[dusty vault]

Or hunter if spread fire/hestia

[abstract latch]

i was gonna say i thought divine dash was better

[steady lark]

i used to aim for pash dash

for weak

[novel swift]

huh

[steady lark]

LMAo

[dusty vault]

On spread fire?

[steady lark]

no

on delta eris

[dusty vault]

The first pass dash user

[steady lark]

😭

this was back when 54 or 55 was my pb

its how i cleared

[dusty vault]

Different stuff mainly

Smth dmth best defense is just killing your enemies

[novel swift]

DDash is kinda a crutch, for most people

[dusty vault]

Divine is peak safety/wet dash is dmg

[dusty vault]

Meh

[steady lark]

i dont think i have any 50 clears outside hestia/delta eris that dont use ddash

im so bad it dodging stuf

[novel swift]

I'm decent at dodging, I just walk on every trap known to man

[steady lark]

i hate having to stop attacking when dashing to actually not take damage

[abstract latch]

sorry but which hammer for exug[pgprs that weapon would you say is better?
triple bomb
flurry fire
explosive fire

[novel swift]

Triple

[steady lark]

explosive makes you blind and flurry locks out delta

[abstract latch]

i know what that means

[novel swift]

triple big damage

[abstract latch]

i see

big number = like

[steady lark]

tripple locks out cluster 😤

[abstract latch]

i went with triple

[steady lark]

its good

[abstract latch]

what the point in cold embrace? is it just another beam to use? im not going for it just curious

[dusty vault]

Good question

[abstract latch]

💀

[dusty vault]

Less jokey answer
No yeah is kinda bad

[abstract latch]

figured

[dusty vault]

If you want to use beams you are better off going for crystal clarity (arty duo)

Cold embrace if used well can be better than base beams but that's not a high bar to clear

real answer is don't bother with beams

[abstract latch]

noted

[abstract latch]

is there anyway to increase a rarity of an already attained boon other than the chick in asphotle

oh wait just read rare crop

[hollow hull]

Those are the two yeah

[abstract latch]

thanks

i got triple fire and piercing fire, should i anvil for one of them?

[dusty vault]

sell the boon and get it at a better rarity

[abstract latch]

and do i get to choose which one i swap

[dusty vault]

Nope

[abstract latch]

yeah thought that but it never let me choose to sell the one i wanted it to

[dusty vault]

Don't try it

[hollow hull]

Luci you might as well gamble for triple bomb tbh

[abstract latch]

got it

[hollow hull]

Neither triple or piercing are doing much for you

[abstract latch]

got it

[dusty vault]

Also yeah, luci anvil id prob one of the safest anvild too lol

[abstract latch]

yeah just wondering if there are better

luci?

[hollow hull]

Triple bomb best

[abstract latch]

i also lost triple bomb and got delta chamber and got cluster bomb

i think it kinda works for my build

[hollow hull]

Oh

Ok so

Triple fire is only in Lucifer

That’s different from triple bomb

[abstract latch]

oh

[hollow hull]

Basically arty on Lucifer special with triple bomb is one of the most powerful burst damage things in the game

[somber frigate]

Tbf though you always have at least 1/3 odds to get it

[abstract latch]

how do you get summons?

like when you summon someone to aid you

not a god call

[somber frigate]

You’ll recieve them when you max out bond on the characters who give them to you

Or more accurately

You need to get to their locked heart, complete their favour, and I can’t remember if you need to gift them again after that or just complete the favour

[abstract latch]

ive got zeus and poseidon rn, who should i go for, dio or ares?

[hollow hull]

Dio

[abstract latch]

for what reason

[dusty vault]

Call

and stuff like premium vintage or strong drink are aight stuff

Ares doesn't really offer anything

[abstract latch]

fair

i already got poseidon call

[dusty vault]

If you take other dio core you could unlock exclusive access too

Which is funny if you get it before hermes

Kinda whatever otherwise

[abstract latch]

ahh thank

s

[dusty vault]

Oh yeah ig there's the zeus-dio duo too

Is kinda nice? Just depends if you want that over boiling blood

And idk if you can get double strike w/o a lightning bolt core

[hollow hull]

Stacking flat damage sources and then boosting them all with a global boost like rush delivery, billowing strength, eris buff, or ruthless reflex is a strong build idea in this game

Dio fits in well, esp with call

[abstract latch]

gonna run the bow aspect of chrion, should i go for sea storm or heart rend?

idk if there are better tbh, those are 2 that i found to be quite good

[somber frigate]

Heart rend by a long shot

sea storm will suffer from the same issue that zeus special experiences on chiron, the lightning bolt internal cooldown

[novel swift]

Sea Storm Chiron is hella strong

[somber frigate]

Does sea storm… not suffer from the bolt internal cooldown?

[novel swift]

I think it just pushes enemies away so they aren’t affected by th icd

[somber frigate]

ah

[novel swift]

And Chiron bosses suck anyway you build it, so Sea Storm is good for rooms

[abstract latch]

i got poseidon, artemis and zeus rn, which 4th god should i get?

[abstract latch]

tbf isnt heart rend good for bosses?

[hollow hull]

It’s fine

Makes crits do 450% instead of 300%

[polar finch]

Heart rend is more reliant on conc arrow

[rancid glade]

Perfect shot ir explosive shot?

[somber frigate]

I’d always pick perfect

Explosive has it’s use cases but

[rancid glade]

I chose explosive and beat the worm first try

First time i mean

[steady lark]

the worm??

[somber frigate]

Bone Hydra

what else

I mean he could be talking about ||Theseus|| and that would be super funny

[coarse timber]

thnking of buying this game, thought at a lose whether PC or PS5

[steady lark]

pc allows modding

[novel swift]

Pc is better for certain

[sweet brook]

i'd only consider ps5 if your pc is a literal potato lmao most of the time pc is gonna be better

[vague fern]

Is it fair for me to say that trading ambrosia for titan blood early on is good?

[dusty vault]

Yeah

There's more ambrosia than needed just by prophecies/bounties

Blood does need some trading/fishing

Just don't go overboard

[vague fern]

Have only 2

I could trade one for 500 dark ess

Nah ill try and upgrade zeuse shield with that

[vague fern]

I lost what would have been my first win because i acidently sold my legendary zeus boon

i decided to just mod my way to victory cause I am so mad

but now the victory feels kinda hollow

[steady lark]

[vague fern]

Ill just have to get a legit victory now that i have my third death defiance

[hollow hull]

Splitting is free money

[vague fern]

i needed that extra damage tho

it would have saved me

[hollow hull]

It’s like 40 damage

Per hit

Fair though

[vague fern]

zeus shield

[hollow hull]

On Zeus shield it sometimes cancels the block

[vague fern]

oh thats weird

[hollow hull]

Splitting bug

Yeah

Best to stay away from it

Double strike, jolted, dio attack or call, bad influence, and Artemis will give a lot more value

Dio call is just a win button by itself tbh

[vague fern]

hm

[abstract latch]

for the reroll item, i have it unlocked in the mirror of darkness but i got 2 through the chthonic keys, if i change it to the reroll the boon in the mirror of darkness would that affect the one i got through the ones i got from the keys, even if i havent bought one from the mirror

[dusty vault]

Yeah

[abstract latch]

so i dont need to buy it from the mirror, and itll just change as i please

[dusty vault]

Yeah leveling up the dice just sets how many rerolls you start with

[abstract latch]

ohh dam permanent dice

makes more sense why it cost so much

[unborn coyote]

how do yk which bosses u beat with which wep

Im trying to get more blood for wep aspect upgrades but forgot which wep I beat the sisters with

[dusty vault]

Before first win is just memorization

[unborn coyote]

oh

mmmmmm well that's not nice

it's even worse for the gems cuz technically speaking I'd need to beat the sisters for the little map to show whether or not I beat hydra with said equipped wep

bleu

[hasty swift]

Can you only use one of the weapon abilities at a time?

[stone current]

It's not nice sometimes, but the Broker is a decent way to get more blood esp if you just need 1 more

[somber frigate]

Yep

Only one aspect at a time

It would be a bit of a mess otherwise

[primal wigeon]

hera + rama plz

i want a 60% multaplicative damage buff on my 3x crush shot attacks

[unborn coyote]

who

if it's the one in styx I haven't reached him yet

or well can't

still stuck in the bigtaur and the pussy with a shield

[dusty vault]

Big shade in the lounge

[hasty swift]

I was thinking it was more of a skill tree thing, that makes a lot more sense

Guess I just need to remember to enable magnetic cutter in future

[polar finch]

We need chaos + zeus shield combo

[dusty vault]

Fusion aspects mod:

[abstract latch]

does rush delivery only work when you have the speed boost im guessing?

and if so would it be useful for the 0.5s speed boost after a dash on a bow?

[dusty vault]

need to release by dashing but yeah, is good

you can never go wrong with hyper + rd really

[dusty vault]

(or release then dash instantly)

dmg is calculated on hit so as long as you get the speed as it connects you are good

[abstract latch]

i see. could you just dash attack and itll work?

im pretty sure a dash charge shot would be quick enough

[novel swift]

Yes

[somber frigate]

well it's based off your current movespeed boost

so

all permanent speed boosts always apply

and it chooses just the most valuable temporary speedboost iirc

[abstract latch]

got it thanks

||for the epilogue, i heard you gotta max heart some gods, i heard people on reddit say they done it with 4 but others say you need 6 gods. can someone tell me who i need to heart if its figured||

[dusty vault]

||6, Dem counts as maxed when she reaches the lock due to her favor being the epilogue||

[abstract latch]

so just any 6?

[dusty vault]

Yeah

[abstract latch]

got it thanks, anyone of them got less hearts to make it easier>

[dusty vault]

They are all 7 hearts

You are better off searching the wiki for their favors and looking which ones you don't wanna do

(I suggest avoiding aphro)

[abstract latch]

how so?

[dusty vault]

Her favor needs you to max meg/than/dusa lol

[abstract latch]

also do i need to get achillies a certain heart before getting the hidden aspect dialogue?