#h1-for-new-players

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errant kraken
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the green one for the last one and third to last one is definitely better by a lot though so use those

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dark foresight and fated persuasion

sly plume
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how meny hours do you have on hade?

errant kraken
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130ish

sly plume
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i have 26

dusty vault
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800 I think?

errant kraken
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gotdamn

dusty vault
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But a fair amount has been afk

sly plume
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ho hell nah

dusty vault
sly plume
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i'v beaten the game like 3 or 4 times

hollow hull
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~350

sly plume
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god gammm

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dammmmm

hollow hull
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And I started playing a few months ago

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I’d probably be in the thousands if I got it at release lol

nova hull
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What does Charm do on bosses? Does it work on last boss?

final dune
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it works on bosses

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but duration significantly cut

nova hull
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I saw that it interrupted boss 3, does it interrupt last boss's attacks/spells if it procs?

dusty vault
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Yeah

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Tho their attacks wind up will be gone

fathom parcel
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does the wretched broker have any deals that turn diamonds into titan blood?

sweet brook
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no

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but you can trade 2 diamonds into 1 ambrosia and trade that into 1 titan blood

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so like yesn't lol

fathom parcel
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2 diamonds for 1 titan blood

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now that's a strange deal

stoic meadow
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I just bought the game recently, and the game is amazing. But I just can't stop dashing

toxic quail
toxic quail
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Dashing is a core mechanic. There are some builds where dashing is a significant portion of your dps.

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I have like 500 hours on Switch and probably 1/3 of my runs use Athena dash because it became a habit (or crutch, if you look at it a bit pessimistically).

dusty vault
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Yeah I don't think there's much change on how often you dash

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You just apply them better zaglol

toxic quail
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Unless you use the Mirror of Night to change it.

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AKA hate yourself.

dusty vault
toxic quail
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It's a great way of applying a debuff if you're doing the two-debuff thing.

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Probably the easiest to apply. You have to get close, but you're also invulnerable.

dusty vault
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I mean you're invulnerable with any dash

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Aphro's is prob better as you already have the curse

toxic quail
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That's true, but Athena dash has longer iframes.

dusty vault
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No??

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It is safer by making deflected attacks no longer hurt you

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But it doesn't extend your iframes

toxic quail
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I'm 99% sure that at some point it had extended invulnerability, but maybe that was EA or I could be wrong.

dusty vault
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I've heard it used to decrease dash distance

toxic quail
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It could be deflecting attacks nullifies the entire animation, so it feels like you're invulnerable longer.

dusty vault
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Yeah once the attack is deflected it's safe

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And attacks don't have multi hits

toxic quail
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Either way, I think Aphro dash is only good if your main DPS boon also applies an effect. But since Aphro is so strong on attack/special/cast, I usually prefer to put it on there and thus doubling up with dash is pointless.

dusty vault
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that's why the real answer is just play with fam favs

toxic quail
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Depends on heat.

dusty vault
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Or that your build already runs into the gods with nat curses

toxic quail
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Well I guess they're both the same heat. Man I haven't played in too long!

dusty vault
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We should move lol

toxic quail
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New players need to learn how to argue pointlessly, it's a core mechanic of Hades chat.

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(jking of course) (mostly)

dusty vault
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You got me

nova hull
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How many rooms, on average, is a run?

dusty vault
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assuming two sack

hollow hull
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I usually have 49-51 depending on tunnel length

gleaming granite
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hey newbies

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if youre struggling to dodge

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it maybe bc youre playing at the normal 60 fps

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tweak the display, plug in yo charger(not recommended for iphones)

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so that it goes into above 60 fps mode

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the controls and input is better for some reason

nova hull
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Do the trinkets that guarantee a god reset after a boss?

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As in if I don't change it, will the first boon be from that god again?

patent sail
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Nope, it works once and then never again for that run

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The rarity improvement still lasts though

nova hull
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Is that 5diamond extra area an "extra" room or does it take the spot of another room if you use it?

gleaming granite
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where you can can get the reward and heal?

hollow hull
nova hull
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Can the mark from crit happen on just 1 target if there's no other

nova hull
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Also why those specifically 😮

errant kraken
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that’s the last chamber before a boss

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so instead of getting a shop/free reward -> boss you get chaos/erebus -> shop/free reward -> boss

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no skip

autumn locust
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has anyone played hades mobile?

nova hull
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Does the "special speed" boon from hermes increase the speed of the zeus-version of the shield weapon procs its damage

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Or just its movement

steady lark
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just the animation of releasing it and retrieving it if i heard correctly

neon quiver
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so basically it sucks on zeus shield

gleaming granite
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a bit spoilers here

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yall newbies lucky ya aint need to face the Ceberus Santa hiroshima

lone urchin
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I just dont understand the difference between Death defiance and Stubborn defiance on the mirror. Which one is better and whats the difference?

viscid notch
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If you're asking this, stick to Death Defiances

raw coral
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Each accomodates a certain style of play, the first is for a more safe approach while the latter accomodates more recklessness

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Stubborn is not for everyone and needs a lot more getting used to in order to properly benefitting from it, so sticking with the regular Death Defiance is best imo

lone urchin
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I still dont get the difference, Im sorry

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Like one is restored everytime you enter another room?

dusty vault
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Yeah

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Stubborn can be used once per room

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A very simple but also kinda missing a lot of context generalization is
Death defiance = better for bosses
Stubborn = dying way too much in normal rooms

lone urchin
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thats a perfect analogy for me, thanks

restive portal
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Stubborn is great until you get to a boss where you need to survive for more than one DDs worth of damage.

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In general you want to start with Death Defiances because without any added difficulty you should find it's the bosses that block progress. You'll understand what I mean by added difficulty later.

hollow hull
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The general formula I use is SDs when learning the game, back to DDs when heroes and end boss are the biggest challenges, and then back to SDs at ||32+ heat||

restive portal
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Also, remember that you can recycle darkness from the mirror and re-spec it for 1 key.

lone urchin
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are some gods boons harder to find? I have had a lot of runs and never seen ||demeter || yet

errant kraken
lone urchin
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Damn

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i have a long way to go then

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Thanks leni

errant kraken
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probably not too long tbh

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you don’t actually have to escape the underworld, if you’ve done a lot of runs you’re probably not far off

lone urchin
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I mean I defeated the ||hydra||

somber frigate
# restive portal In general you want to start with Death Defiances because without any added diff...

Opinion on DD vs SD is kind of a bell curve.
True beginner: “Mirror of Night? Death defiance? Stubborn defiance? What?”
Beginner: “Yeah stubborn defiance is pretty good because I need that extra life for every room”
Midgame player: “Why would I use Stubborn Defiance? I’d rather have 3 lives for the bosses, I hardly ever die in regular rooms”
Endgame content: “Why would I even use Death Defiance, I would loss my run after like 3 mistakes”

Uber endgame content: “What’s a mirror of night?”

somber frigate
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Ish

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Not really

restive portal
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Maybe. I was always getting blocked by bosses even early on so DDs seemed a better choice immediately. Getting 2 is easy enough plus the collar

errant kraken
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stubborn was definitely the choice for me before i got my 3rd DD

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but then around when i got my 3rd DD i also started getting to ||hades|| and realized one defiance wasn't going to cover it

restive portal
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Interesting.

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Spoiler final boss please.

errant kraken
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oop

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forgot what channel this was

steady burrow
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does anyone know how to hide text for spoilers?

dusty vault
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|| at both ends of sentence

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or highlight text and press the eye icon on pc

errant kraken
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you can also start your message with /spoiler which marks the whole message

steady burrow
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ohh bet thank you guys

lone urchin
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is there any way to cap the fps? like an launch parameter for steam?

dusty vault
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And there's Vsync if your monitor is 60hz ig

tight flower
lone urchin
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Will do, Thanks Cosmic

tight flower
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looking into it further i'm less confident about that because that command seems to be engine specific
(like somenoobdying said vsync should cap it at 60 iirc, hopefully that's a somewhat helpful limit luigishrug)
(and on further reading, i actually think the framerate might be capped by default, and a launch parameter exists to unlock it)

hushed bone
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any guides / tierlists esp for boons

sweet brook
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there's not really a tier list for boons since it's pretty build dependent

lone urchin
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does the bloodstone comes back with stygyan soul after 5 secs by default?

sweet brook
sweet brook
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5 sec at lvl 1 of stygian soul at least

lone urchin
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and they regen even if you hit? or only when missing?

sweet brook
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they regen if you hit too

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as long as you use it

lone urchin
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THought so, but your message made me doubt

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Thanks

hushed bone
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altho idk which weapons r easier to use as a newbie

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coronacht by any chance ?

lone urchin
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You can stop mid run right?

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If I close the game it just takes me back to the arsenal?

hollow hull
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If you press give up you lose all progress for the run

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If you press quit you can start where you left off

hollow hull
somber frigate
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Stygius though

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could

gleaming granite
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bow and shield

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they got OP upgrades

somber frigate
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Shield is also like

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You have a shield so you can worry less about dashing around

gleaming granite
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Minotaur rush + the one shooting upgrade

somber frigate
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Which may be a bit of a headache for newer players

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Charged shot is hands down the best shield hammer

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Only ||one aspect|| doesn’t take it automatically if it sees it and even then it’s the 2nd best option

errant kraken
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i thought its really good

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if youre talking about what i think you are

gleaming granite
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tho I would recommend newbies learn to play spear and sword

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its actually fun dashing around

somber frigate
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I would recommend newbies just play every weapon

errant kraken
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real

somber frigate
gleaming granite
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and, "pre-upgrade" them

errant kraken
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best strat when youre starting out is do what dark thirst tells you to

somber frigate
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If you play bow without constantly dashing it’s pain and agony

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Dash striking my beloved

gleaming granite
somber frigate
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Yeah but at the same time

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It’s a headache but how are you going to learn otherwise

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And also, it’s more of “dash -> dash strike -> dash -> dash strike” then pure dash dash dash

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You catch a break

gleaming granite
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nah, I'd spam 2 dashes

somber frigate
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why use 2 dashes at the same time unless you need to? It’s bow, you can’t just dashstrike dashstrike

gleaming granite
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btw uh for spear I heavily recommend new players "blood-upgrading" it as, the damn thing is hella under powered

somber frigate
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you can dash strike -> dash strike but you can’t dashstrike dashstrike if you get what I mean

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It’s just upgrading btw

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although I don’t assume players to have unlocked ||aspects|| just yet & when they refer to weapons by their name rather than the ||aspect|| it makes me think they haven’t

hushed bone
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am i supposed to stock up keys to unlock all weapons to get hera bow or save those for revealing the mirror first

somber frigate
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just do it however you please

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it's not a huge amount of keys to do either

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I'd go for weapons first then upgrades just because then you can start figuring out what you like to play earlier

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and then you can start spending your titans blood

hushed bone
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ah

lone urchin
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||now that I have all upgrades asking for diamonds, will the gem be useful again or I can exchange them?||

somber frigate
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Not for any mechanical boosts

hushed bone
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holy cow the shotgun bow is insane even without hera

somber frigate
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2* & 3* the base damage just works

hushed bone
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i was spamming aphro q lol

somber frigate
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Ohhhh

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the special?

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Idk what q is on keyboard

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Shotgunning with special is certainly one of the way you can play bow

hushed bone
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what do i prioritise frm the contractor

somber frigate
errant kraken
somber frigate
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I don’t really have a guide for the order on all the work orders it’s just really wing it based off what’s avai-

errant kraken
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lmao

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i would def do the one that gives rerolls from keys

somber frigate
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yeah keys for rerolls r important but idk if they’ve even got rerolls yet

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they probably don’t

hushed bone
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so im gonna save ig

errant kraken
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thats true

hushed bone
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also why does the sword suggest i can +20% dark by equipping it

errant kraken
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thats dark thirst

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one random weapon has that every time

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and you get 20% more darkness on that run if you use the weapon

hushed bone
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mmm

hushed bone
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or wld it fk w muscle memory

hushed bone
errant kraken
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well

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youll probably want to do that anyway

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you get separate boss rewards with each weapon

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so its good to know how to use all of them

errant kraken
errant kraken
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like

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you can get each boss reward once with each weapon

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one titan blood from meg with spear

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one with shield

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one with bow

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etc

hushed bone
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ahhh

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honestly this is a good feature lol

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encourages players to master the whole game

somber frigate
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like anything that hits fast for lower damage is going to want flat damage sources on them, like zeus, dio or ares

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ares always wants athena to combo with him on the special of the weapon, and on dash, so you can find merciful end and just dashstrike into everything

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dio always wants aprhodite on special (or attack, if chiron), to find low tolerance for more stacks

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Zeus just wants more zeus boons

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and that’s going to stay the same regardless of weapon

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that’s just how it comes together

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A +% ain’t going to work as well on rail where it adds like 5 damage per bullet compared to lightning adding a minimum of 10 (and aoe)

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But when you’re attacking once a second with bow for heavy damage, flat damage is adding like 10 to your 50 damage hit, compared to a +% boon adding ~50 more for double

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It really comes down to understanding the qualities of the aspects moves & how gods interact with each other rather than (oh heartbreak strike is good on bow because someone told me it is) if you want to be able to develop the knowledge

hushed bone
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hm currently i've got fiery chthonic boiling n infernal up with 221 dark, do i upgrade anyth yet

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not sure whether to stick w infernal or stygian tho

somber frigate
somber frigate
hushed bone
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what chaos boons shld i be taking

somber frigate
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& the curses attached

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like when you’re playing zag bow your strike damage is your main damage source, so you look for dstrike & strike boons, check their numbers, then check the curses

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An epic dashstrike boon may be leagues more damage than a common strike, but if you’re in tartarus, an enshrouded curse could lead you to a bad start since you can’t make your own decisions @ the part of the game where decisions are the most crucial to forming your build

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or maybe your aspect is more build for casts

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Then you take extra stones & cast damage

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if your weapon has a low base damage strike don’t bothed, go for special +% instead

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Rarity always good, obols +% always decent, +max hp is an option if the rest don’t make sense for your weapon &or there aren’t any better curses

hushed bone
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hmm

hushed bone
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also shadow or fiery presence

somber frigate
# hushed bone ?

I’m avoiding mentioning them because 1 is a slight spoiler that you already know of so just click this spoiler: ||trippy flare (dionysus cast) hera||

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And then the other one you won’t know for a whileee

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That’s ||trippy flare beowulf||

somber frigate
hushed bone
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was kinda weird grenading w ur cast

sweet brook
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ngl i thought one of the niche cases was better hermes odds lmao

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and both of what you listed counted as a separate one

somber frigate
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It’s not a grenading

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it’s different

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distinctions distinctions

hushed bone
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oh

hushed bone
somber frigate
# hushed bone and why

Speed reasons: regular rooms are more of your run then boss rooms, & being able to take down enemies in 1 or 2 hits consistently >>>> extra damage on backstab

hushed bone
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but up to 50% extra dmg on all mobs if u position right does sound enticing

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sounds hard to pull off tho

somber frigate
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Positioning right takes too long

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It’d literally be time loss

sweet brook
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practically speaking, pulling of a backstab takes too much effort

somber frigate
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You all ready have +75% on the most impactful hit

sweet brook
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and on a lot of things it doesnt really matter

hushed bone
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how do u play aegis

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what're u gonna be doing the most

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poseidon's most valuable boon is the dash ?

somber frigate
hushed bone
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jesus christ zeus shield is hard to control

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but after changing keybinds it's so braindead lmao

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it's flippin broken

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i beat the hydra w it

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n this is like my 5th run

somber frigate
nova hull
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Is there a limit on how many boons you can have?

gleaming granite
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this is a real all you can eat buffet

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but similar boons cant stack (obviously)

nova hull
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Apart from "replaces" don't they all stack

gleaming granite
nova hull
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Got me worried for a sec that my 2chaosgate3+ boon special/attack had all been in vain

gleaming granite
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aw yes Chaos

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my favorite gotta be paupers strike

hushed bone
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damnit i nearly beat theseus

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i think bro blocks the shield specials

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what do plunder keepsake collection fated list n urns of wealth offer

gleaming granite
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oh for Theseus

hushed bone
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do i buy all of them

gleaming granite
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that sounds fancy

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wait wait my boy

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have you been using just 1 keepsake

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every run

hushed bone
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i havent been using ANY

gleaming granite
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ma boi

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every time you go to another realm

hushed bone
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but uk u could just stack shield special boons then get the ares something duo

gleaming granite
hushed bone
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then spam everything to death

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well other than theseus

gleaming granite
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I mean ngl if you want to be lazy

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I recommend getting the

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Ares and Artemis duo combo

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focus on Ares cast rift tho

hushed bone
hushed bone
gleaming granite
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that works

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not really, but tho pls get the rift

hushed bone
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wait bruh

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fated list is all the missions

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im trolling lmao

nova hull
hushed bone
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hmmm

nova hull
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Question: The unshackled 50%+ bonus without boon, does it mean the boons that show automatically on the left and not the extra boons you have to press B to view. Or does it mean any boon at all

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Like a chaos bonus or such would count and disable the trinket?

gleaming granite
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well any attack buff that has the word "boon" on it works

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as it

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disable shackle

nova hull
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What the HECK is the point of it if even side-boons disable it? If you can't stack any extra dmg that flat bonus is pathetic compared to what other trinkets can offer

gleaming granite
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well

gleaming granite
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and yes, it is pathetic

nova hull
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Yeah I was keeping that in mind but even with 100% that's nothing compared to what boons+other trinket does

hushed bone
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who do i give nectar to

faint umbra
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side-boons dont deactivate shackle

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only boons that go in the slots on the side do

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main attack, main special and main cast

hushed bone
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appntly nectar shld be given to skelly n cerberus first ?

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do i give the 3rd to hypnos or smth

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or achilles

faint umbra
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you can give it to whoever you want

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theres keepsakes that are better than others but you can just do whatever you want

nova hull
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What does the immaculate bond do for keepsakes?

dusty vault
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(it just means you maxed out the hearts with someone)

inland swan
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what build should i be aiming for for spear?

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i use achilles aspect and i aim for merciful end

dusty vault
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There's lightning phalanx (athena cast + zeus)

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If you don't want a specific cast build you can start tidal dash then pick based on what you get

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Stuff like trippy shot/||crystal beam|| also work but you want the stygian soul skill for these

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So you can throw more of them instead of waiting for their effect to run out

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From there just add dmg through chaos/charon wells

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And hermes hyper sprint + rush delivery always works (but lodging casts may want quick reload instead)

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Best hammer is flurry jab by far

nova hull
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You can damage the bull even after the bell rings and he goes to leave the area (in the 1v1). Can you theoretically kill him if you had projectiles launched at him as he leaves?

dusty vault
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It's not intended though so he just appears

nova hull
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What happens then? 😄

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Ah ok, ty

hushed bone
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shld i spend 500 on another death defiance or save it for mirrors down the line

viscid notch
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Surviving longer = more darkness for other upgrades

hushed bone
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also fiery > shadow right

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and is it actl commonplace for u to ignore certain gods' boons

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since the game seems to restricts ur god pool

viscid notch
viscid notch
hushed bone
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there's a build guide i read that mostly explained the starting gods, but how do u work around after

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so like, if u have one god boosting special u can't have another god on that as well ?

dusty vault
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Yeah

somber frigate
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Ah I’m a little ways late

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Ad already got to it

hushed bone
somber frigate
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As shackles biggest fan I’ve got to stick up for it

inland swan
dusty vault
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Eh you could do atk builds too ig

inland swan
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Thanks

dusty vault
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But cast bonuses are rare, and achilles at max is like 2 epic cast dmg boons

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(+150% cast/attack dmg)

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And even then lvl 1 achilles is already lvl 5 pos sword/talos

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If you want to throw your special go for hidden spear ideally

inland swan
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I'm not sure I like guan yu

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I become a glass cannon

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I do like using Zeus on attack tho

dusty vault
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Is pretty good but yeah, mind the hp

inland swan
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Spin attack becomes Zeus shield special but worse

somber frigate
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Did you mention the special builds

dusty vault
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Feel free to do

somber frigate
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cuz those work on anything that isn’t achilles

nova hull
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Tbh most specials feel kind of arse except for gun one

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Tho zeus shield can be opop

somber frigate
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Big +% special boons, take explosive launcher, charged skewer, get a big 150 base damage exploding bang

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just grab more special boosts from chaos and wherever you can

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pretty straight forward

inland swan
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Gun but worse?

somber frigate
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Not exactly

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More like bow but weird

inland swan
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Yeah

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Spear is my worst weapon

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I play sword better than I play spear

somber frigate
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Anyways it works you just need to hit the hammers

inland swan
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That should say something

somber frigate
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Ideally you rock aphrodite special, zeus strike & either zeus or dio call

random ocean
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I like playing chiron bow with dio special build it requires 0 skill to use.

somber frigate
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Yeah chiron is pretty straight forward

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Lowest skill floor weapon

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The only thing you have to watch for is how slow the special is

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that’s going to put you in danger at times

somber frigate
nova hull
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Is there ever anything interesting in the garden or can I ignore that area

inland swan
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Ignore

dire river
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sometimes there's dialog, zag will tell you "should check the garden" if you don't zoom by too fast

hushed bone
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wait do atk buffs apply to dash strikes

gleaming granite
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are just

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attack

hushed bone
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i did a funny spear dash strike run

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the boon that triples ur dash strike

dire river
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dash strikes are a type of attack. generally a bonus on attack will apply to dash strikes. a bonus on dash strike will only count for dash strikes, not regular attack

gleaming granite
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I want you to try this

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you hold attack

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at the same time you dash twice

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its goes like, dash strike dash into spinning

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then dash again to extend that spin range

hushed bone
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do i upgrade fountains urns or troves first

hushed bone
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i've got 4 titan blood, wonder which aspect i shld get

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maybe hera ? maybe eris ?

lone urchin
dusty vault
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Hm?

lone urchin
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Like I imagine it should make things easier, but it just confuses me more

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Im just trying to learn about improving boons and such

hollow hull
lone urchin
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Yes. Someone recommended those charts to understand the system

dusty vault
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Was it reddit

lone urchin
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yep

dusty vault
#

What a surprise

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Arrow means that X boon will open Y

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So take divine strike/dash/etc > now you can get blinding flash

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Priority means the game well, prioritizes those boons over others

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So if you have attack and special filled and cast/dadh empty

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When you pick up a boon the game will make the first option one of those empty 100% of the time

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Tho I need to say

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When a god has their curse statis as a t2 boon (boon that needs another to show) they have a 50% to be placed over other boons so I'd still call those priority

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If the chart is confusing I'll wait until you have the codex upgrade for the boon list

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It highlights what unlocks what much better

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Or this

hushed bone
#

so hera is spam cast > dash atk when u can't
eris is dash into ur special cast n spam > dash away to reload n repeat

hollow hull
#

You don’t need to dash away to reload

dusty vault
#

Eris plays really oonga boonga

hollow hull
#

Take tidal dash and dash into enemies

dusty vault
#

As in you use your dash for dmg

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^

lone urchin
dusty vault
#

Explaining priority is still helpful so I don't mind

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Helps when you want to maximize for duos

hushed bone
hollow hull
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No

dusty vault
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Not much

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But is the highest dmg dash

hushed bone
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didn't know it did alot of dmg lol

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i thought it was good for the knockback

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unless

dusty vault
#

Is also good for that

hushed bone
#

it's the one that uh

dusty vault
#

Dash + breaking wave = styx begone

hushed bone
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gives the dot/0.2 s

dusty vault
#

Shoals is also good

#

Yeah exactly

dusty vault
hushed bone
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but eris wants a % on special right

dusty vault
#

Combine that+ eris buff for free dmg

dusty vault
hushed bone
#

ok so it seems eris wld go like

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either zeus or dionysus atk

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then poseidon dashes

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take a god with a hard hitting special

dusty vault
#

Yup

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Tho for dio you can make the argument for aphro/ares for the hangover duos

hollow hull
#

^

hushed bone
#

ah yes i need to rmb the duos lmao

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trolled multiple times cuz i forgot abt them

hollow hull
#

Ideally you want aphro on special

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Ares on lie

hushed bone
#

the building is quite punishing

hollow hull
#

Curse of vengeance?

dusty vault
#

Ares' vengeance

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Yeah

#

Tbh I'd go for vengeance over aphro

hollow hull
#

Yeah

dusty vault
#

Unless you have rocket, weak application is awkward

hushed bone
hollow hull
#

I mean

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Scintillating fog angle maybe

dusty vault
hollow hull
#

Whatever clears

#

Dio legendary maybe

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Could be fun with the buff

hushed bone
#

hm but now idk what to spend titan blood on lol

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i like both hera n eris' playstyles

dusty vault
#

Eris is cheaper if that's something

hushed bone
#

by 1

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but that's enough to get it 3 lvls

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while hera only 2 if u don't trade

dusty vault
#

Tbh just do a coinflip if you like both

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Or upgrade one, do a run and press give up mid run so you revert the save and test the other

hollow hull
#

Or just keep playing and get more blood

gleaming granite
#

shadesmile 😈

hushed bone
#

logically/theoretically speaking

dusty vault
#

Both are top aspects lmao

hushed bone
#

i saw the pinned aspect tldr

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hera was completely S tier

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eris lv1 however was an A

dusty vault
#

Yeah hera strength doesn't matter much on lvls

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Enemies will drop the casts if you kill them anyways dusa

hushed bone
#

15% isnt crazy broken ig

dusty vault
#

And bosses you can get quick reload/be fancy and learn wallbug

hushed bone
#

tf is a wallbug

dusty vault
#

Shoot aphro cast at specific angle/wall = cast won't lodge

hushed bone
#

wtf that's crazy

dusty vault
#

It does take practice, is mostly used for speedrunning

dusty vault
hushed bone
#

mmm then which is more braindead / easier for newbies

dusty vault
#

Just go the route if you like cast builds or flat dmg soups-

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Oh eris by far lmao

hushed bone
#

oh

dusty vault
#

Eris is peak oonga boonga

#

My beloved

hushed bone
#

true

#

throw smoke throw nade hop in n smg

viscid notch
#

Hera will be fine but wont feel as good

#

Cast weapons are just more punishing

hushed bone
#

that actl does make sense

viscid notch
#

And not as intuitive to scale

hushed bone
#

u could fk urself up lodging ur casts in the wrong mob

#

ur dps wld plummet like crazy

#

on top of that there's also bosses

#

guess it's eris then

#

but wait

#

zeus or dio atk

#

n which special

viscid notch
#

Zeus is better overall

dusty vault
#

Zeus

viscid notch
#

You can go for any % Special. Artemis or Aphro is ideeal

#

The dash is more important, you should look for Tidal Dash and pick whatever Special you come across

hushed bone
#

cool thx

#

but what abt boons unrelated to atk cast n special

hollow hull
#

You really really want jolted

hushed bone
#

which gods r well known for those

dusty vault
#

Static discharge from zeus

hollow hull
#

From Zeus

dusty vault
#

Breaking wave/razor shoals from pos

hollow hull
#

And prioritize poms into jolted and tdash over attack

dusty vault
#

If you have arte, hunter's mark/pp/support fire are nice

#

Aphro can do zeus call into smair

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But yeah focus on what dragon said

hushed bone
#

maybe i shld've given nectar to zeus n artemis lmao

#

n aphro

#

oh n keepsake ? appntly cerberus n skelly r good for newbies ?

hollow hull
#

Yeah I leaned on collar into asphodel a lot when I was learning

#

It’s comfy

hushed bone
#

typically what's the room reward priority

hollow hull
#

Generally as you get better with dodging, you’ll want to prioritize control over your build

hollow hull
#

Mini boss rooms will be faster generally

#

Skill rooms will also generally be faster since they only spawn armored enemies

hushed bone
#

wasn't armour a bad thing

hollow hull
#

Well

#

I’m talking from a speedrunning perspective, where fewer enemies is better since you’re probably instakilling them anyways

#

Eris does fine with more enemies bc of Zeus attack

#

But honestly even for learning, it’s easier for me to keep track of a few enemies rather than a bunch

#

If you are looking for other time save, chaos/fountains/shop are free

#

Chaos isn’t great on eris unless you get special damage boost

#

So just take the least bad curse

#

For blue laurel rewards, keys, nectar, gems, darkness are the generally prioritized order

hushed bone
#

wait but i alw took chaos by default lmao

hollow hull
#

Yeah it’s a nice timesave but I’m just saying the buffs aren’t that great

dusty vault
#

Rarity/hp still decent

hollow hull
#

So take it, but if there’s another skip to choose between, don’t feel obligated to take chaos bc it won’t make or break your run

#

True

gleaming granite
#

you should decide for yourself

lone urchin
#

I just cant decide which ||weapon to unlock or upgrade shadegrief ||

restive portal
lone urchin
#

I meant aspects and upgrades as well

#

I like everything but the sword and the cannon, maybe the shield too

restive portal
#

If you like the fists, Demeter aspect is good. For spear, Achilles aspect is good.

#

If you dislike the rail due to reloading being awkward (often the case on controllers) remember you can remap the reload button.

lone urchin
restive portal
#

The Hestia aspect fixes that, but only after 3 or more levels, so it's an expensive investment.

#

With Hestia you're just constantly reloading and dash striking

#

Maybe unlock Hestia and give it a go. Also put boons on the special with Eris rail, then you don't even care about bullets.

#

Rail is one of the better weapons generally.

#

But also Demeter fists.

#

I'm assuming you've not unlocked any of the 4th aspects yet.

#

Hidden aspects.

lone urchin
#

Nop, I guess I could. I have like 6 or so bloods

restive portal
#

If you quit a run without dying or saving you go back to the courtyard. So you can unlock something, even upgrade it, and try a run providing you give up.

#

Don't leave the courtyard to go back into the bedroom though, that will save too.

#

When you get back in the courtyard the weapon will go back to being locked (the state it was in at the last save when you last entered the courtyard).

#

So go to courtyard, unlock weapon to test, start run, have fun but give up before you die.

#

Don't quit out the game either as that's a save, give up the run.

lone urchin
#

thats an useful tip

#

will def try

leaden whale
#

I feel like Demeter is op haha 😆

hushed bone
#

if artemis/aphro is on the eris special who's gonna be the last god you'd take

final dune
#

?

hushed bone
#

cuz either zeus/dio on atk n poseidon on dash right

#

that's 3 gods ain't it

final dune
#

doesnt matter that much

hushed bone
#

wb trippy shot heh

final dune
#

bad

hushed bone
#

double nuke

final dune
#

u want boiling blood

hushed bone
#

huh

#

that's a mirror

final dune
#

yea

#

but u cant get boiling blood with a non lodging cast

hushed bone
#

i went the farthest on blade w the lifesteal boon lmao

#

eris didnt get me to theseus

#

ur much more prone to dmg going in n staying still w only ur dashes to save u

final dune
#

wat

hushed bone
#

bruh why is it that ur forced to take the boon on the vry first room

#

how do u fix ur godpool

dire river
#

usually you'd start out using a keepsake so the first god is who you want them to be. ifyou have keepsakes already

#

no way to fix your god pool though, who's in is in. can sell boons though

gleaming granite
#

nvm you cant

#

game gotta go so well

#

untill an off god boon

#

like Pose or Zeus

leaden whale
#

Hello!!! i have unlocked weapon aspects, i ahve like 5 blood(think that is what its called). would it be smarter for me to try to focus on nemesis aspect fully(i like sword mainly), or unlock 5 different aspects

gleaming granite
#

mess around and find out

leaden whale
restive portal
gleaming granite
#

holdon letme get my

#

🤓 zagcry

dusty vault
leaden whale
#

lmfao was testing things out, maxed out zag shield cause why not, accidently dashed out to the chamber

#

perfecto

restive portal
#

Noooo

leaden whale
#

tbf this shield is quite strong, i spam the rush soo hard that i hardly get hit, and i do some dmg as well

#

not the worst to happen ig

restive portal
#

Indeed.

leaden whale
#

i like it over sword style, naisu

restive portal
#

Hope you got to try a couple of other things first too

leaden whale
gleaming granite
#

and Guts sword when you are that dawg

leaden whale
#

nvm, the max i have reached with my nemesis aspect lvl 2 is minotaur...that bull

#

accidentaly upgraded zag shield to max, and tried the run

#

won ,only died once

#

bruhl, this item is a tank

hollow hull
leaden whale
#

So I’m about 14 hours into Hades (Having a HELL of a time too), but I was wondering if I’m just total trash? I’ve cleared both Tartarus and Asphodel a number of times, but Elysium just seems to kick my ass. I’ve made 33 attempts in total and was just looking to see where everyone else is at in their journey through the underworld and see if you guys have any tips or anything that you’ve found useful?

hollow hull
#

Game is hard

#

Use flat damage on fast weak attacks and % damage on slow strong attacks

#

Tidal dash is good

#

Dashing gives I frames and doing anything during that dash like a dash strike takes away the iframes

#

What do you normally die to in ely

#

what aspect are you focusing on right now

hollow hull
#

Everyone's different so don't feel like you're doing something wrong if it's just taking you more runs

leaden whale
# hollow hull Everyone's different so don't feel like you're doing something wrong if it's jus...

Oh yeah, it’s definitely gonna be on my PlayStation Home Screen for awhile. I just got the upgrade to where I can seen the Boon List for each Olympian God so I think that’ll help strategize a little bit more. I’ve tried all the weapons a little bit, but I’ve been going with the Twin Fists a lot recently. Also, I’ve really noticed that any ability that has deflect is crucial when things become very bullet hellish.

gleaming granite
#

life is not a race, its a journey

#

run, if you cant walk, crawl, if you cant crawl, roll

#

but by all means keep it going

hollow hull
gleaming granite
#

it dont matter if you suck, we all start somewhete

hollow hull
#

are close range, and don't have any inherent protection

gleaming granite
#

Sword

#

oooh like that

hollow hull
#

sword you have a good amount of reach

gleaming granite
#

but still nothing compared to the almighty Mr Potential Weapon

#

Varatha the spear

hollow hull
#

fists attack pretty fast so flat damage sources like hangover and zeus scale really well

#

tidal dash, static discharge, some artemis

gleaming granite
#

I'm talking about the endlag of the thing

hollow hull
#

after a dash strike?

gleaming granite
#

attackig as a whole

leaden whale
#

The special with the fist just seems pretty powerful and you can speed it up Swift Flourish from Hermes. Also, a Dash deflect skill is a must.

hollow hull
#

do you have aspects yet?

leaden whale
#

I don’t think so.

gleaming granite
#

that aint gonna make no dif

leaden whale
hollow hull
#

alr dw about it then

hollow hull
hollow hull
gleaming granite
#

does he know abt the dash special endlag

leaden whale
hollow hull
#

Yeah i gotchu, it can def be overwhelming at first

gleaming granite
hollow hull
#

but it'll get more understandable as you

#

get more exposure

restive portal
leaden whale
restive portal
#

Read the descriptions carefully though, they are very careful about saying what works with what, and there's a codex to tell you exactly which boons unlock others.

leaden whale
restive portal
#

It was almost my first too.

#

That's the one

#

Note that Zeus lightning comes in two flavours, bolt and strike

#

Some secondary boons only work with one of these types.

#

Took me ages to spot that

gleaming granite
#

*Gambles.PNG

leaden whale
#

What's the best way to use my titan blood do I use it only in one weapon ??

hollow hull
#

Once that’s max, you can pick another one, etc

leaden whale
#

Ok so just focus on own weapon because I unlocked ||heat||

#

And they are still stuck on 1

#

For some reason

restive portal
#

@leaden whale (post final boss spoilers) ||Heat does not cause weapons to be upgraded automatically. Heat is a way to get more Titan Blood, and that's what you can use to upgrade weapons||. And now you've beaten final boss (congrats), maybe #h1-discussion is a better channel for your questions.

leaden whale
#

I'm saying like should I focus only on one weapon?? Or mix and match

dusty vault
#

If you like multiple weapons, while it will keep the upgrades weaker you'll have more options

#

Or you could upgrade one aspect, and win over and over ||through the pact to receive all of its bounties||, the move to the next weapon

leaden whale
#

||ok so I'm better off doing once aspect and win than go to another aspect for the same weapon ?? ||

restive portal
#

But you don't need to ||upgrade the weapon for that, it's the heat level that matters||

dusty vault
#

The point of just upgrading one is to have easy wins ||until the bounties cap out||

ivory reef
#

in some builds I see people mentioning one god for attack and another god for a special. What does this mean?

#

For example I wanted to go a low tolerance build but I’m new so I don’t really know what Aphrodite attack and Dionysus special means 😅

errant kraken
#

get heartbreak strike (aphrodite’s attack boon) and drunken flourish (dionysus’ special boon)

#

each god has one boon for each core ability (attack, special, dash, cast, call) and you can only have one boon for each of those abilities at a time

ivory reef
#

oohhhh ok

errant kraken
#

aphrodite attack gives a high % damage boost and inflicts weak

ivory reef
#

so do I need to use the aphro keepsake in order to get the attack first?

#

or does that not rly matter

errant kraken
#

dionysus gives no damage buff but adds a certain amount of hangover damage

#

it helps yeah

ivory reef
#

ok ok

#

tysm

errant kraken
#

if you’re looking for a specific build you’ll want to use keepsakes to get the gods/boons you want

ivory reef
#

ok

#

ty

errant kraken
#

for low tolerance probably start with dionysus to get the hangover special since i assume that’s what you’re focusing on

#

then add aphrodite in asphodel, get her attack, then look for low tolerance

dusty vault
#

Depending on your weapon you should swap these

hollow hull
#

Dio on fast thing, aphro on slow thing

dusty vault
#

(or if applying weak is annoying, go for the ares-dio dup instead)

#

You want curse of vengeance from ares

hallow ruin
#

Y'all new people want to win right?

#

Even || beat Hades? ||

#

Well here's a great idea to get you started

#

|| stop using stygius||

#

💯

broken girder
#

i mean if you go for ME it can be a very good weapon for early game especially if you don't have ||aspects|| yet

raw coral
#

Yea but ME is good on every weapon

gleaming granite
#

alr that I agree

hollow hull
#

nah, nem slaps

gleaming granite
#

trust in the RNG gods 🙏

sweet brook
#

Every weapon is fine for first clear

#

Just use whatever you want

somber frigate
#

The aphrodite boon can get 1 or 2 but the rest boost hangover

patent sail
dusty vault
#

Hidden bow ME

somber frigate
patent sail
somber frigate
#

opposite direction

#

Ares attack athena specila athena dash

#

Find flurry shot

#

play it like a melee aspect

leaden whale
#

guys, i ||defeated hades twice|| , so for the third time, i was thinking of trying a cast build which is easy to learn, what weapon and aspect fits that the best

broken girder
#

poseidon or achilles, for pure cast

hera and ||beo|| for cast assisted builds

leaden whale
#

So I'm confused on the aspects

#

Do I focus on builds now ?? And those ?

restive portal
#

Aspects are just weapon variants. Use them, or don't. They give you more scope for different builds with different strengths, but they are not the aim of the game. As you move past simply struggling to beat the final boss and start to increase difficulty (via ||heat||) you'll end up with enough Titan Blood to unlock everything eventually. Or maybe you're a player who makes it to credits and puts the game down, in which case aspects won't matter much either way.

#

Overall Hades is a game about constructing builds from the semi random boons you get during a run, so it's probably good to think about that aspect of things. But weapon aspects are just one part of putting a build together.

#

The basic advice if you have some Titan Blood to spend would be to either upgrade the weapon you're most successful with, or save it for a weapon you like the look of (there are guides that explain each aspect).

gleaming granite
#

cuz, people still gonna click on that and ask

#

"whats a beo"

#

actually I'd rather saying names out casually

#

censoring kills the mysterious vibe

dusty vault
#

Hidden aspects names should be spoilered cuz the whole post final boss rule in this channel

#

But also you can just say hidden shield/sword/etc lol

gleaming granite
#

yo uhh Imma call the sword aspect

#

Guts sword

#

btw I suggest giving everyone npc a bottle of nectar

#

they might reciprocate

lavish ridge
#

is the best employee board in the lounge randomised? is there any way zagreus gets on the board?

dusty vault
#

I think you ||need to have done a certain amount of heat?||

#

Is prob on the wiki

faint umbra
#

i think its just after you beat the game

gleaming granite
#

I think Ive gotten it twice

#

afterter

#

actually

#

no, let the lad

#

find out

#

but letme say

#

bro look quite handsome on that board

lavish ridge
lavish ridge
gleaming granite
lavish ridge
#

cmon ya cant rly blame me

gleaming granite
#

actually we can

dire river
#

it's the character design. they are made to look good. we are being manipulated by sgg. can't resist🤷‍♂️

leaden whale
#

The designs are peak

#

So I'm on my third run what should I focus on also I have god mode on its more fun for me haha

#

I'm making it to the final area and they I get wrecked haha

#

Should I just focus on the codex ?? That's really interesting to me rn

tulip anchor
#

Focus on getting more Darkness and Keys to get more powerful, codex is for fun yeah it's interesting

leaden whale
#

I'm focusing on getting 30 keys rn

tulip anchor
#

do the weapon unlocks take that many? i remembered them only taking around 5 for the last ones

hollow hull
#

Mirror talents need keys as well

#

I think the last one might be 30

leaden whale
#

Yes it's 30

#

I just unlocked the mirror talents

#

What do I need Keyes now for if I unlocked all talents and weapons

#

Any good talents I should use ??

dusty vault
#

For mirror refer to pinned messages

dusty vault
leaden whale
#

Pinned messages ??

#

Ok so still collect Keyes gotcha

tulip anchor
dusty vault
#

Hold up thanthink

dusty vault
#

Or ctrl + p

#

Idk where it is on discord mobile new layout lmao

leaden whale
#

Haha it's fine I'll figure it out I appreciate it

#

On mobile by the way haha

leaden whale
#

I'm on run 36 now I think

tulip anchor
#

oh lol that makes sense

leaden whale
#

Sorry

#

!!

tulip anchor
#

this channel is mostly for ppl who havent met redacted yet

leaden whale
#

Yea I'm worried about spoilers in other channels haha

#

Since I haven't beat the story tbh

#

And I'm still figuring out stuff in the game

tulip anchor
#

fair fair

#

i shouldn't be giving advice to u then lol, im in the same progression spot as you. Just traded all my gems for keys implusively to get to 30

leaden whale
#

Yea 😅😅

#

I just got to 30 today

#

I've been doing well but die near the end of runs haha I'm like oh well at least I get to go back to the house again and talk to my favs

#

I'll take any advice tbh haha

#

It's a game advice is useful 😀

#

I just got the game last week ?? It was on sale on PlayStation haba

#

Haha

restive portal
#

If you're on PlayStation, consider mapping the Rail's reload action from R3 to left shoulder (L1) and move the Codex button elsewhere (I put it on left D-pad and just do without menu-left).

#

When you unlock Hestia you'll thank me. 🙂

leaden whale
#

Really ??

#

How do I remap

#

I don't like the rail fun weapon

#

Gun

patent sail
leaden whale
#

Ok thanks 😊

twilit edge
#

It.... took me so long to realize god mode was a thing shadeohboy

leaden whale
#

Haha 😆

#

I like it since this game is basically infinite replay value

twilit edge
#

i finished the ... 4th boss the thanatos one and got to the maze and fumbled not knowing how the poison worked

leaden whale
#

I have the poison I still struggle haha

lone urchin
#

how much % can you level god favour?

dusty vault
#

but don't use that one

#

swap to dark foresight

dusty vault
lone urchin
#

Im still needing to farm dark and gems and things, thats why Im using that one tho

dusty vault
#

chamber rewards are like 10 per room tho

#

with dark foresight you get better builds = faster clears = get darkness from bosses

#

assuming you claimed the bounties with the wep already

#

also troves

#

the main thing you want to grind darkness is getting good rng with chaos boons

dusty vault
#

unless the build you are doing is like super needy (see merciful end)

#

but meanwhile you can just focus in like dds/2nd dash/hp/dark foresight and be set

#

then start grinding for rest (looking at persuasion)

lone urchin
dusty vault
lone urchin
#

I know what to do, my hands dont understand it tho(?

dusty vault
#

understandable

lone urchin
#

isnt deep pockets better tho?

#

It said so on the pinned guide of the channel tho

dusty vault
lone urchin
#

to golden touch

dusty vault
#

unless you mean vs golden touch then yeah lol

#

don't think I mentioned it tho?

lone urchin
#

Yeah my mind got lost

#

But I meant that isnt that good to focus on too?

#

Like it should help with the build same as dark foresight

#

shouldnt it?

dusty vault
#

Yeah it def helps

#

I just forgot to mention it lol

sweet brook
#

I'd say dark foresight is better tbh

dusty vault
#

(tho can also make the argument of like, focus on safety, dark foresight will supply money)

sweet brook
#

It helps more throughout the run, the 100 extra gold is mainly for like Tartarus shops

#

Which is like still good but you'll get more consistent boons with dark foresight

gleaming granite
#

hey guys rather than call (boss spoiler) ||Thesus and Minotaur||, why dont we call it the "||Heracles bossfight"||

final dune
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its called heroes

gleaming granite
hollow hull
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What are you on lol

gleaming granite
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confuse the newbies

dire river
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be nice to new people

brittle trellis
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im new

signal quest
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Hi new

gleaming granite
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I'm Malles

gleaming granite
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and Hades's nice

dire river
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as nice as you can manage. strive for how nice zagreus is to everyone but hypnos

gleaming granite
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best I can do is

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Nyx's nice to Medusa

hallow ruin
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Dusa

marble summit
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Anyone have tips for beating the game? I have one successful escape attempt, but i can't seem to do it again. I'm most comfortable with the fists and deflect boons, but i don't always get them. Any general tips for beating the game? Am i supposed to use more than one weapon? How do i get more upgrade materials for my weapons? Should i pay attention to heat during my first playthrough? Taking all general tips.

hallow ruin
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Use Athena keepsake

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As for upgrade materials

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You have to beat Meg for them

dusty vault
hallow ruin
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With every weapon

dusty vault
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blood, diamond, ambrosia, blood again in that order

hallow ruin
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He's in Tartarus rn

dusty vault
marble summit
dusty vault
hallow ruin
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Which in Athenas case

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Is the owl thing

dusty vault
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athena's (and any from the gods) have the effect of forcing the next boon you find to be from athena

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or whatever god you used

hallow ruin
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And having better rarity

dusty vault
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that barely matters

hallow ruin
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But still

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It's part of what it does

lone urchin
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OKay my first run with ||heat, do you know why Styx and elysium rewards are empty on 0 heat?||

dusty vault
lone urchin
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And how do I do that, If I defeated the bosses, didnt I?

dusty vault
lone urchin
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a ?

lone urchin
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Nop

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the last two are with a question mark

dusty vault
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||this is for 0 heat right/same weapon you escaped already?||

lone urchin
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nvm I just realized it was different

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mb

lone urchin
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Which are the best c||ontracts to spend diamonds on?|| what should I focus in?

hollow hull
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None of them really matter gameplay wise

dusty vault
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Fated keys/nectar are nice

lone urchin
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what about ||sysyphus is useful?||

dusty vault
faint umbra
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its for the story

lone urchin
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Yes, so only story?

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Okay

dusty vault
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I mean

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||freeing him does have a few rewards||

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||you know the big locks in the keepsakes cabinet?||

raw coral
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I really don't think this is appropriate convo for new players

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If you're not willing to wait to find out @lone urchin #h1-discussion is a better place or the wiki

gleaming granite
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isnt it kinda cut n clear