h1-for-new-players

[dusty vault]

beams kinda bad

[regal ether]

its fun to use

[dusty vault]

that I can't deny

[regal ether]

and its good in some circumstances

[dapper thunder]

Yeah had no idea if it would even work

[dusty vault]

but not on hera

[regal ether]

but not most

[dusty vault]

[regal ether]

oh yeah no lol

not on hero

hera

[dapper thunder]

With hera beam direction seems to be kinda random

[dusty vault]

for hera you want aphro's cast pretty much all the time

you get the high dmg and delete its range weakness

[regal ether]

aphro’s cast is like one of aphro’s only good boons

[dusty vault]

phalanx also has comparable dmg with the downside that if you miss your cast goes off to god knows where (athena cast)

[dapper thunder]

Honestly I kinda suck at choosing boons

Like I never use gods keepsakes

[dusty vault]

attack and special having the highest % modifiers

[stoic raven]

life affirmation, %, sweet surrender, that one thing that makes weak stronger, unhealthy fixation

[regal ether]

if you want you can use skully’s tooth to use as an extra death defiance for ||dad||

[dapper thunder]

I know 1 or 2 things but it's rng anyway

[dusty vault]

the short version is
low dmg, fast hit go zeus/ares if you know about ME
heavy but slow: % modifiers like aphro or artemis ideally

athena and ||dem|| can work but want epic rarity

and artemis wants chaos boons or hammers like twin shot for bow for example

[dapper thunder]

Yeah had no idea if it worked this way exactly

[regal ether]

i just use athena’s keepsake for tart to get the dash

and then use smth else for the rest of the run

[dusty vault]

do you have eurydice's keepsake @dapper thunder?

(npc in asphodel)

[dapper thunder]

I have all ||except last one and pets||

[dusty vault]

eury's keepsake is better than tooth at blocking dmg

final boss can easily hit for more than 100 hp

[regal ether]

what does eury’s keepsake do again?

[dusty vault]

3/4/5 hits are blocked in the boss fight

[regal ether]

oh yeah

[dusty vault]

if you get hit by the adds maybe you block less but idk that comes with practice)

[dusty vault]

oh yeah for casts is kinda different

depends on weapon + aspect too

[dapper thunder]

But to be fair ||dad|| is never about hp for me, I always have atleast 2 death defiance and near full hp, if I don't have enough dmg/bad build I start to get tilted

[dusty vault]

if you aren't focusing on a cast build then you can just use default for boiling blood

[dapper thunder]

Zeus shield is 23646418464x times more broken than hera bow I swear

[dusty vault]

depending on context ig that's true

[regal ether]

i use stubborn defiance but that’s only because overtime i started needing the multiple defiances in a single battle less and less

[dusty vault]

but consider your first experience with hera was... this

[regal ether]

except for ||dad|| when i use skully

[dusty vault]

hera is pretty damn good, also same as zeus it doesn't mind the low lvl aspect

[regal ether]

its a very good weapon yeah

[dapper thunder]

Feel like charge/parry and range shield doing this much dmg shouldn't be on the same weapon

[still nacelle]

||beowulf|| exist and throw everything about balance out of the window

[dapper thunder]

No idea what's that and don't want to be spoiled 😭

[stoic raven]

not balance, but properly functioning code

[stoic raven]

zeus is VERY strong at high level, and its fairly strong at low level
when i did ||32 heat|| with low level, it was completely dependent on dio/zeus special, but with max levels it was the same power without boons

[unique orbit]

Hi I'm new here and to the game was wondering what weapon is easiest to learn

[final dune]

the one u like the most

[unique orbit]

Well I like the gauntlets even though I haven't gotten all of them

What's the last one to get

[raw coral]

|| the rail ||

[unique orbit]

What weapon offers the highest damage overall

[still nacelle]

||hidden shield||

[unique orbit]

The what

[bronze tapir]

does anybody know the best way to have a lot of health at the start of every escape attempt?

[raw coral]

Old Spiked Collar (keepsake) + Thick Skin (mirror perk)

[restive portal]

@still nacelle the 4th shield that you possibly can't unlock yet.

[lucid seal]

are u suppose to charge between attacks when using the shield or just spam left click

[final dune]

use the block to block

but not for dps, unless u get the charged shot hammer

in the case that u get charged shot, just spam it at minimum charge

[lucid seal]

oh so spam for dps until that one hammer upgrade got it

[sweet brook]

yeah pretty much

the bull rush has pretty pitiful damage

[dapper thunder]

Given your ressources I'd say gun (ofc melee weapons are gonna give you more dps in theory)

[unique orbit]

I've unlocked everything except the gun

[unique orbit]

What deals more damage the sword or the gauntlets

[wooden dirge]

without any boons? sword

specifically nemesis

[final dune]

melee weapons definitely dont deal more danage in theory

[broken girder]

Epic doom ME sends greetings

[sweet brook]

Peak ME build vs peak rail build has like a pretty decent gap I think

Rail has clockets which is just a lot stronger burst lmao

[restive portal]

Have you unlocked "aspects" for weapons yet?

[unique orbit]

I haven't gotten past the first area at all

[restive portal]

Then the talk of "hidden" weapons is not applicable to you yet. For now pick the weapon you can use while staying s safe from damage rather than the one that has the highest damage output. I like the bow for this as a lot of hammers help it and you can keep your distance.

[unique orbit]

What about the rail gun

[dusty vault]

is good

just don't forget to take zeus attack

[restive portal]

Yes once you have unlocked it.

[unique orbit]

I have all of them unlocked

[restive portal]

Ah, I thought you'd said you hadn't got the rail yet. In which case, try gun and have fun.

[unique orbit]

Ok cool

Which boon should I get I have the keepsakes of Poseidon ares and Artemis

[dusty vault]

For rail? Try and get zeus keepsake at some point but if you really wanna try it now ig you could do poseidon dash

[restive portal]

It's worth getting Zeus keepsake asap anyway.

[stoic raven]

just get keepsakes, they come pretty fast(at least for me)

[unique orbit]

Got Zeus's keepsake

Which one is the golden wing. Hermes?

[dusty vault]

Yeah

[unique orbit]

So about to fight meg and only have 47 out of 80 health should I heal up for the 50 gold or get Hermes boon

For 150

[dusty vault]

How comfortable are you with the fight/how many defiances left

[unique orbit]

How do I check that

[dusty vault]

Little icons on top of your health bar

[unique orbit]

Little circle thing that should be glowing?

[stoic raven]

glowing?
its a zag icon

[unique orbit]

Well it's empty

[stoic raven]

youch
how comfortable are you with the fight

if you think you can make it out alive, take hermes

if not, heal

and then if you think youre screwed either way, you can take hermes and hope for something good

[restive portal]

Until you learn Meg's moveset, I'd probably say take health. You'll get more time to study Meg's fight if nothing else.

[stoic raven]

meg's fight is fairly simple once you know the telegraph id say
though the projectiles can be a bit tough

[restive portal]

Or just take Hermes because it might be something new that you can learn from and accept the loss of it happens.

[dusty vault]

Also is this your first time using rail? (For dragon)

[unique orbit]

I beat her

[stoic raven]

🎉

[dusty vault]

Gaming

[stoic raven]

i love animation cancels

[dusty vault]

Now don't step in lava

[stoic raven]

pro tip: it ramps up in damage

[restive portal]

Also, don't worry about what you got from that fight. Save it for later. You'll know when it's relevant.

[dusty vault]

They'll learn right after this run if they just unlocked the rail lol

[restive portal]

True. But you might not want to spend it yet.

[stoic raven]

||ZEUS SHIELD|| WOOOOOOOO

[unique orbit]

Huh

Not sure what you guys are talking about exactly

[restive portal]

You will shortly.

[unique orbit]

Ok figured it out

I guess which aspect should I pick or just get the one it has

I'm on the rail

[restive portal]

It costs Titan Blood to unlock aspects and some aspects are better than others, so now you have to think a bit more carefully about your play style etc.

[unique orbit]

Btw

[restive portal]

You will eventually be able to unlock everything though, so it's not a huge deal to spend on something you don't like.

For rail, maybe Eris as something which is good even with a small infusion of Blood.

Personally I like Hestia but it needs to be at level 3 or about to get really good.

[unique orbit]

Should I switch to something else or upgrade the rail

[restive portal]

That's not something I can say for sure, but I personally find that most non default aspects are better in some way than the default, but other people might disagree.

Maybe save up a few Titan Blood by beating Meg with different weapons.

[unique orbit]

I'm not doing that I can't even damage her with anything else

[restive portal]

Generally the more it costs to upgrade, the more powerful it is, but it might also be sufficiently different in play style that it doesn't suit you.

[unique orbit]

So does the bonus damage from aspect of eris affect just the special or all damage from the gun

[restive portal]

You can unlock a weapon to try it in the courtyard and then quit out the game providing you haven't saved (do not go back into the house).

All damage. From any source.

[unique orbit]

Ok cool

[restive portal]

In general the descriptions are very carefully written so you can tell what they mean just from the text.

[unique orbit]

Yeah I definitely like that

@restive portal what's your favorite weapon

[restive portal]

You can even start a run with an aspect to test it providing you quit the run and don't die.

Not really one favourite. I like Hestia Rail, but it's not the fastest. Hidden shield is one you will unlock later and lots of people like.

Achilles spear (aspect) when fully leveled up is great for cast builds.

Hidden sword is great too.

[unique orbit]

I assume hidden shield will be the last one on the list

[restive portal]

Yes

The last entries will unlock via special interactions eventually.

[stoic raven]

spoiler spotted

the best low blood aspects are:
hera
achilles
poseidon
zeus
hestia?

[still nacelle]

hestia is garbage at low level

[restive portal]

Yeah, it needs to be fully unlocked which takes about 12 blood.

[unique orbit]

Well either way for me I'm still learning the game as time goes on

[restive portal]

I'd take Eris over Hestia for low level. Hera is good for bow because you get the full effect immediately and only cast pickup time is affected by level.

[unique orbit]

At least you guys are being helpful

[restive portal]

You'll figure out your preferred style and aspects in time.

[unique orbit]

Well I hate the bow I'd rather use either the spear or the rail personally I just need to learn spacing

[still nacelle]

https://i.imgur.com/NP6KN7I.png

the bow does best when you play it at spear range

every aspect is melee, maybe except hestia

[unique orbit]

What does Hestias aspect do

[still nacelle]

sniper rifle basicly

when you manually reload, the next shot is empowered

[unique orbit]

Oh ok

I assume getting the aspect of Lucifer is difficult to get

[restive portal]

It might take a while

(please refer to it as "hidden rail" though since it's a bit of a spoiler)

Don't worry about hidden stuff until you start getting access to them (it'll happen naturally)

[north mirage]

What weapon should I use if I have been using aegis and am always stuck at the Minotaur

And what mirror upgrades are best flipped

And how do u see what chamber u are on

[broken girder]

If you press the boon menu button quickly once it shows the chamber

[broken girder]

Pretty much bottom 3 and fiery ig

[broken girder]

Keep going with the shield, you’ll make it

You can alternatively use the bow or rail ig, but it probably won’t be as easy

[north mirage]

Ok thanks

Wow

[void abyss]

I messed up and traded away my titans blood what do I do

[still nacelle]

cry about it, but seriously while it suck early on, you’ll be drowned in bloods later

Prophecies is a great source

iirc, escaped with all weapon gives you 10 titan bloods

[void abyss]

I’m struggling tryna escape with the shield

I don’t know what boons I should choose

[still nacelle]

Did you unlock aspect?

[void abyss]

What’s that

[still nacelle]

Something you will get later on but that’s not important rn

Did you escape with any other weapons?

[void abyss]

Nope this is my first time playing the game and I think I’m on 12 escape attempts now and made it to the bull

[still nacelle]

Just the bull?

[void abyss]

Yah

Is there like a list or something for what boons I should get from each god

[still nacelle]

There is a guide on how to build but it’s pretty overwhelming for new player

For new player, i would suggest dio attack, pom it and athena dash

[restive portal]

Also don't stress about not getting out by run 12.

[void abyss]

K thanks

[restive portal]

I didn't get out until about 40 or so first time.

[still nacelle]

This video is pretty funny and his build is quite viable

https://youtu.be/n7EYeF9H0-o?si=mlNACOuiT-p4AewK

Contain spoiler tho

[restive portal]

I've not seen that one but just a note that there are probably story spoilers in that video.

Yeah there are some total cracked builds out there.

[still nacelle]

Other than his tendency to go for Privileged Status, everything else is fine

[restive portal]

To me Hades isn't about the moment to moment fighting in chambers, it's a game about putting a build together. My advice to anyone starting is to (a) not worry about best this, or optimum that, (b) read the descriptions carefully on boons and start thinking about how they can work together and (c) don't obsess about always taking the shiniest (rarest) boon, but favour things which provide synergy.

The number of viable builds is high and a boon that's rubbish on one build might be vital to another.

Almost all boons are good somewhere and almost no boons are good everywhere.

[still nacelle]

I'm still convinced Hunter's Instinct and Clean Kill is way too underwhelming

[restive portal]

I pick up clean kill if there's nothing better.

It's fine but if you have a build that's not doing a lot of crits it's pointless, and if you are doing a lot of crits you don't really need it.

[final dune]

hunters instinct is absolutely worthless

clean kill is slightly less worthless on nem or maybe zagbow but otherwise garbage

[restive portal]

It's okay for some builds with rapid attacks, but not on Hestia.

[dapper thunder]

Guys how do you deal with the fear of loosing your streak ? 7 total wins, currently 5 in a row but I need to play melee weapons (I suck at these) 😭

[dusty vault]

The trick is not caring about the streak

On speedrun/||heat|| mode you get used to reset but even before that I just never minded it

||low heat|| becomes so easily winnable at some point that if you wanted, you could get a ridiculously high streak

[raw coral]

Since there's no benefit from having one, I've never really worried about losing it

[dapper thunder]

I think I'm still gonna play next 3 runs in order to win ||just to finish the game at 35 runs like a good dogo||

Then I'll play for fun

[unique orbit]

Good morning all

Was wondering how do you get more titan blood

[dusty vault]

beating the first boss for the first time with a weapon will net you one blood
final boss drops another + after that you unlock the best way to farm blood
other sources: trading for it at lounge (1 ambrosia for 1 T.blood is always there and sometimes 15 keys for 1 blood which is super good)
list of minor prophecies
Charon may sell one blood for 1200 gold at the last area shop

[unique orbit]

How many areas are there

[dusty vault]

4

If you wanna be petty
||Final boss arena is another area but whatever||

[unique orbit]

Fair enough

What boons should I try to get for the rail

[still nacelle]

zeus attack, static discharge hopefully chain lightning and splitting bolt

win

[wooden dirge]

Zeus attk for every rail except Hestia

unless u wanna do spread fire zag

and tidal dash

[void abyss]

for the aegis what gods should i use for attack dash and the other

[craggy peak]

Do you have aspects yet

[final dune]

generally, dashes that will always be good are tidal dash from poseidon and divine dash from athena

for tidal dash, it's important to pom it but it does very good damage

athena dash is just very nice for defense

[void abyss]

how about cast dash and attack

[final dune]

that is dash

but you also don't always need to fill out every slot

it's often fine to leave your cast slot empty

and on base shield special as well

for attack you'd go for aphrodite/artemis/athena

[dapper thunder]

Guys about the rng in this game, 2 boons trial for example, does pick order changes anything ? (does one update after taking the other and is it like the first one you pick has a rare boon independantly of your pick ?)

[dusty vault]

for trials nothing like that

only thing is that you can't get duos at all in those

[patent meteor]

Yeah duos usually only occur when they get the boons at separate times

[dapper thunder]

I feel like last picked tends to have better rarity but might me biased

[stoic raven]

its actually lower rarity because yarn and nectar

[dusty vault]

what

[stoic raven]

pretty sure trial boons do count as nectar and yarn uses

[dusty vault]

oh wait I read their message well now

sorry

[unique orbit]

What upgrades should I try to get for the rail

[stoic raven]

zeus attack, tidal dash, then get splitting bolt(and maybe sea storm)

[silver isle]

is there any recommended daedalus hammer upgrade for the shield?

[cedar delta]

Charged Shot

[silver isle]

thanks

i'll try it out

just reached elysium in like my 15th try i think

[silver isle]

lmao i lost to mino

[dapper thunder]

Guys does ||dad|| let you go on ||10 or 11th win|| ? Pretty much the only spoiler I didn't manage to escape ||(with cerberus maze and hades being final boss)||

Not sure if I need to go prepared or just yolo this one

[dusty vault]

||10th||

[dapper thunder]

Ty imma try the blade for once

[patent meteor]

I wish you luck !

[sour quiver]

elysium is my run killer

with only 12 attempts in lets hope i get to the end before 100

[restive portal]

You'll be fine.

[dapper thunder]

Got the credits, I don't think I belong here anymore, see ya guys

[unique orbit]

So I was wondering in order to get the hidden aspect for the railgun how do I talk to Zeus

[faint umbra]

you need to have the rail equipped, and use his keepsake so you can talk to him

[unique orbit]

During an escape attempt or something else

[dusty vault]

When you pick up his boons he talks to you

Sp yeah during escapes

[unique orbit]

If I change the aspect of the railgun let me get more titan blood from meg

[faint umbra]

no, its per-weapon and not per-aspect

[unique orbit]

Fair enough

What aspect do people try to get for the railgun

Also do I need to give Zeus an ambrosia

[dusty vault]

Nah

Check requirements in #h1-story-discussion

[dusty vault]

Both hestia and eris are great

Hestia wants more lvls before it can shine though

[unique orbit]

And you need 2 titan blood to unlock it right

[dusty vault]

Yeah

[unique orbit]

Which weapon should I swap to since I've already used the railgun

I like to keep my distance preferably

[dusty vault]

Bow is the other range weapon

Your best hammers do want you to stay at mid/close range though

Chiron is different but I don't like it

(also wants at least like 2 lvls for an effective build)

[unique orbit]

Would the spear be a better choice than the bow

[dusty vault]

Hades/zag spear can play at range at the cost of wanting 2 hammers for it to work out

Achilles ig is ranged with its cast but using your attack is really helpful

[unique orbit]

I'm just trying to get titan blood for the rail bc I like that don't really care about the other weapons

[dusty vault]

Could just run anything to kill the furies with each weapon lol

[unique orbit]

Fair enough I have a hard time with the melee weapons tbh

[dusty vault]

Do you know dash iframes work?

[unique orbit]

No I don't really

[dusty vault]

Dashing is fully invincible but the moment you input anything else the iframes are gone

So for example dash striking

If you want to dodge gotta just dash on its own

[unique orbit]

Oh ok

[dusty vault]

Or delay the dash strike so you can dodge then attack on the same dash

For melee is important to know when to dash strike

As they are your most efficient way to dmg hut risky

Also worth to mention for rail

If you pick the hammer delta chamber your dashes will keep the iframes even if you dash strike

[unique orbit]

Ok I appreciate the advice I'm still learning the game even tho it's difficult for me right now

[dusty vault]

You've got this

[unique orbit]

Yeah truthfully I don't even use the cast at all even tho I should

Just don't know the reason for it

[dusty vault]

If you aren't planning around a cast don't worry

You can just have the boonless cast to apply boiling blood

Can also take a boon to open a duo boon

[sour quiver]

Love the Chiron special where you shoot and then auto lock ♥️

That plus Zeus Lightning destroys everything

[dusty vault]

Zeus special doesn't interact well with chiron

His boons have an internal cooldown

[unique orbit]

I'm surprised that you can get a boon from chiron

[dusty vault]

And chiron hits too fast for it

[dusty vault]

Nah, zeus boons I mean

[dusty vault]

(aka you only get 1 or 2 actual lightning)

[still nacelle]

the only reason I take thunder flourish on chiron is for lightning rod

rod is gud

[dusty vault]

Could just take call for better effect

[still nacelle]

better hermes odd, might as well get some value from the special

[dusty vault]

Might as well play zag bow

But also fair lol

[sour quiver]

I also like the look of the Chiron bow

[static cliff]

my go-to chiron build has always been zeus attack and poseidon special for sea storm, its not revolutionary or anything but it gets the job done

[unique orbit]

What's the best aspect for the spear

[sweet brook]

Achilles

[unique orbit]

What upgrades and or boons should I use for the spear

[stoic raven]

either an attack or cast build, generally cast is easier to use
for cast, youll want either hunting blades(art+ares) or extreme clarity(art+dem)

[unique orbit]

What about attack

@stoic raven

[dapper thunder]

Huh guys

Guess who's back

Wasn't my brighest idea to steal ||Charon||, got my ass wooped, I belong here again xD

[broken girder]

||Charon is the hardest boss||

[cedar delta]

Whoa no kidnapping of ||boatmen||, pls

[stoic raven]

"you dont"
use either ares or artermis as a start so you have damage before slicing shot

[dapper thunder]

Current max ||heat|| run is at 2, I launched a run at 8 first time using fist, mirror with 0 upgrades (switch everyone for the quest, so pretty much mirrorless xD), first shop at room 5 or 6 was like oh what's that ? got DESTROYED 😭

[dusty vault]

Lmao

[broken girder]

Damn happened on my first time too

[dapper thunder]

Does he only spawn in early game tho ? I guess not

[dusty vault]

||22% for the bag to show up in any mid shop, styx not ofc||

[dapper thunder]

Ty

[sour quiver]

whats a good build for heras bow

[dusty vault]

crush shot, pom it till at least lvl 5

get snow burst to deal with small enemies

flurry is your best hammer

[sour quiver]

thanks

[dusty vault]

for hermes you want quick reload or hyper sprint + rush delivery

and take chaos for your usual +1 cast or cast dmg

[stoic raven]

you can also try for parting shot with phalanx because it backstabs on impact(does not work on shields)

[unique orbit]

Which aspect should I get for the gauntlets

[wooden dirge]

demeter

[restive portal]

Yeah, as the first aspect it's good. And later, for fun, Talos with Poseidon special.

[stoic raven]

is it funny physics?

[restive portal]

Yeah, Talos pulls enemies in with the special and then punches them away with Poseidon. Get razor shoals and breaking wave and you can get through an entire run just spamming special.

Get Zeus attack and sea storm and it's bonkers.

[rich elm]

Any tips on getting the 30% with the butterfly keepsake (besides not taking damage and having the keepsake at max level)?

[cedar delta]

I think the better bows or a cast build are probably your safest bets for getting 30%

[sweet brook]

hestia is the easiest generally

ranged weapons at least

with hestia, you can just play at a safe distance and reload -> shoot every shot

you should be able to do most of tartarus and asphodel hitless

[autumn fractal]

Also, Athena boons can be helpful for the deflection, while Aphrodite’s are pretty useless for a butterfly run. This is more niche, but if you get Hermes’ Quick Favor, you can hide until your God Gauge is full, come out and do damage before hiding to repeat

[final dune]

why are aphrodite boons useless for damageless runs

what

[sweet brook]

aphrodite's attack and special are just as useful as athena's divine dash on the sole fact that aphrodite has the highest damage % in the game lmao

"they can't hit you if they're dead" is kinda the same philosophy as "they can't hit you if you deflect"

[manic ivy]

yo i need help, i played hades on my xbox and then i am switching to pc but i dont wanna start from scratch. does anyone have a save file that has escaped liked once or twice?

[autumn fractal]

True, but only by about 10% compared to Athena or Demeter. Weak is the only status effect that’s completely useless to a damage-less run unless you get the second boon to make it impact damage. Plus, her cast has the shortest range without Blown Kiss. She’s best suited for a Lambent Plume run imo

[sweet brook]

it's not 10% with poms

and just dont use her cast unless you're on hera

use her attack and sepcial

epic demeter and athena is about the same as rare aphrodite

and iirc rare aphrodite passes them in damage with like 5 poms or something

status effects aren't important if they're dead

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oh it passes with like 3 poms lmao

oh nvm i can't read

but like aphrodite better

[final dune]

very comedic take

i see we are also ignoring smair

and the fact that 20% with better pom scaling is a pretty big difference

as well as the insinuation that a plume or butterfly run is a viable thing to do outside of a meme zagsword run or achievement hunt

status effects are like a twentieth of the reason you take a boon

unless its zeus or poseidon, maybe arty, the status is mostly no big deal

unless u mean dio or ares but that doesnt really count

[still nacelle]

aphro is good, hazard bomb was dealing like 1k3 damage #h1-victory-boasting message

[rich elm]

Any specific boons?

[tall osprey]

I did it without caring too much. The most important things are what comes before getting the boons in my opinion (weapon choise, mirror, keepsake maxed...).

I did it with aspect of Eris, and then just trying to buff the special as much as I could

[sweet brook]

Aphrodite attack, Artemis/Aphrodite special, Athena dash

That's all you need basically

[rich elm]

Thank you for the answer

[faint parcel]

helo
which keepsakes would you guys consider the best

[dusty vault]

The ones from the olympians for setting up builds

Defensive wise there's acorn from eurydice

Then utility there's things like hourglass/purse/shackle

[faint parcel]

[dusty vault]

The rest are kind just... There

You can have fun with things like plume or butterfly

[raw coral]

The feather duster, 100%

[dusty vault]

I was wondering what your previous msg was lmao

[faint parcel]

is it considered worth it to use chaos gates

[broken girder]

Very much

[faint parcel]

and where do i get thrown out after using them? i am infront of my first ever chaos gate but if i continue further down the path i get a ares and drunk dude boon

[tall osprey]

The buffs from Chaos are good

[broken girder]

You get new exits in that hole

The boons can be nasty but also very op

It doesn’t matter for some builds where as others are dependent on it

[faint parcel]

not yet at a stage where i try to make actual builds but understood, ill hop in beacuse full hp anyway

[broken girder]

You regenerate 3 when you hop in and 3 when you hop out again if you have that ability in the mirror, so the effect isn’t as bad as it seems

[faint parcel]

got it on 2 so far but true

i also heard that the keepsake u get from him makes it free but using the dog collar will have basically the same outcome

holy damn u werent kidding when u said these boons are good

[broken girder]

Dog collar is good for the start, you might wanna give skelly a nectar

[tall osprey]

Yea, just be careful to the malus. Some weapons are a pain to deal with if you are not supposed to attack while the curse is still active

[broken girder]

Cast! Cast! Cast!

[faint parcel]

right now im trying to get some more titan blood after reading the wiki for a bit, ill probably use the bow the most, got my record (floor 25th) with it

[broken girder]

You can get up to 12 blood before you get your first clear

There’s a guide pinned here on what is best to invest the blood in

[tall osprey]

Instead, I think you should simply play the weapon that gives you a buff for farming gems and darkness. It will be worth for the long term

[faint parcel]

oh yeah the dark stuff

[faint parcel]

i thought spending the blood is simple upgrades but i guess i was wrong

cant send images, well
"for the next 4 encounters, your total life is reduced by -31"
so after 4 enemy rooms ill get back the 31 max life and it will be healed?

[dusty vault]

yeah

[faint parcel]

cheap

[tall osprey]

I am sure that every "currency" is not used for only one thing. So, don't waste immediately resources to the broker, at least for now

[faint parcel]

oh yeah not touching him at all

[dusty vault]

I mean it is simple but is basically if you want the best bang for your blood

[faint parcel]

the yellow stuff is allready kind of a pain

[dusty vault]

cuz its kinda limited at the start

[tall osprey]

Check him, at least. Sometimes there are some limited offers, like 10 gems for 1 nectar (I think)

[faint parcel]

yeah saw that one, but i barely get any gems too

[dusty vault]

there's also 15 keys for 1 blood

[faint parcel]

[dusty vault]

get dyno'd

[faint parcel]

well currently im pretty broke on all the resources

so doubt ill try to exchange one for another one

almost died to Meg, got saved by poseidon screaming that i unlocked the entire call thing

[broken girder]

Happens

[faint parcel]

4 titan bloods gotten before killing hydra, good practice

[broken girder]

Very much so

[faint parcel]

making it harder to choose my future progress weapon, the bow is safe and free damage but the defensive capabilities of spamming shield bash

is it normal to have like, barely any use from the Call boons?

[cedar delta]

Yes. Only Dionysus and Zeus really see much use during regular encounters

[faint parcel]

so nothin wrong with selling em? or keep them just incase

[cedar delta]

Oh wait also Poseidon. Especially with Rip Current it's quite good against normal encounters

You can sell them if you'd like and have no good use for them

[faint parcel]

it doesnt even charge before the room is done

its the athena one btw

[cedar delta]

You're not talking about full charge, are you?

[faint parcel]

oh nah

like even at least one charge

when i lose max hp, does it damage current hp? like i have 28/100 but something is gonna take 31max, would i die

it appears to have set me on 1 hp

[sweet brook]

Chaos can't directly kill you by a curse lmao

-hp on atk curses or whatever will leave you at 1 hp

[faint parcel]

unlucky enough it was right before the hydra and i got it pretty low

but its way easier than meg anyway

if you use the lucky tooth, then change it into another keepsake and back to the tooth, will it restore the additional life?

[faint parcel]

got the chainshot for my bow in the very first room, so far i no hit 10 chambers and still going

[tight flower]

Hi! Sorry to get to this late but I just joined the server too lmao If you change out of a keepsake you actually can't re-equip it again unfortunately!

[faint parcel]

that actually makes the entire keepsake management way harder than i thought

[tight flower]

Skelly's keepsake is a lifesaver, literally! But for that reason I tend to save it till as late as possible with those difficult difficult fights

[faint parcel]

makes sense

for now ill just keep it equipped to level it up to 3

how much chances to change keepsakes do you get

[tight flower]

After every underworld region, how far have you gotten so far?

[faint parcel]

to the hydra fight 3 times

25th floor

[tight flower]

Nice! If you feel like using the tooth to help you past it I'd feel free to go for it, any practice is good practice Plus levelling it up to 3 makes it a greatly worthy last resort for any point in future runs!

[faint parcel]

considering how i always got it to very low health it will for sure be the last thing i need to kill it

[tight flower]

That, and the mirror can be very helpful, Hydra can be pretty tricky until you master it's attacks (and the fact that they just keep coming xD)

[faint parcel]

i mostly get overloaded at the last shield section

im also first getting all weapons before upgrading mirror further (got the default ones leveled up except second death defiance, saving up goo for it)

i also have 4 titan blood

[tight flower]

4 titan blood! Great you've managed to get past Tartarus with various weapons, I took a good bit of time to get good at weapons that aren't the sword when I started out xD

[faint parcel]

funny enough sword was my worst

cant get used to the very short range without defense

i also read that once i get the last weapon and a 5th titan blood i can start upgrading them

[tight flower]

That's fair! My friend started playing today, it's why I got interested in joining this server to talk about it more, and strangely enough they had the opposite affect to me as well, immediately drawn to the benefits of the bow and a little rocky on the volatility of being up-close-and-personal

[faint parcel]

LITERALLY ME

im currently maining the bow

and i got the game today

[tight flower]

It's great the game encourages you to diversify with the dark thirst though! Every weapon is really fun to run with after you acclimate to them, and the darkness bonus is really good

My problem initially, if this makes sense, is that I was trying to play the bow like the sword, when I had to change my mindset and play to its strengths

Be less gung-ho and more calculated, the like

[faint parcel]

i simply shoot a charged shot then dash, although now that i have chainshot and drunk on hit, its more spammy

[tight flower]

For trouble with the sword though, it's really that dashing is a thing you master with time, and the sword requires you dash in much more dangerous circumstances

and that my friend seemed to initially underestimate the sword's special. It's just as spammable as the attack depending on the build you have

[faint parcel]

i dont even know how u would go about building here

[tight flower]

With all the debris and havoc Zag's causing it's fair to assume the game's more privy to demolition, yeah xD

[faint parcel]

ares has canonically best boons for sure

[tight flower]

But you'll have your ways, game has a lovely way of naturally leading you into various stuffs and things when you're ready

[tight flower]

Yesssss, Ares can be great, and can work very well with the bow since it's low risk!

[faint parcel]

alright about to fight the hydra

[tight flower]

Good luck!

[faint parcel]

hydra vanquished

didnt even use the lucky tooth

and first time the entire Call thing came in handy

used it twice

[tight flower]

Congrats!! 🎉

Which call did you have?

[faint parcel]

zeus

[tight flower]

GREAT damage on that one!

Max guage bonus does it really well

[faint parcel]

to be fair

i always forget i have a call

until the Gods scream at me for having max guage

[tight flower]

true, it can be like that when you're not used to it xD

I've had a couple times where I've not had one and still tried to use it, which doesnt tend to work out

[faint parcel]

what counts as a distant foe

i have a choice between more damage to distant and more damage to nearby foes

[tight flower]

With the bow it'll have a marker on your little preview line from where it starts giving you that damage bonus

[faint parcel]

[tight flower]

from experience, I'd say pretty distant, that might not be the most descriptive description ever though xD

[faint parcel]

ill go for nearby then

i do tend to try group them up

[tight flower]

Practice for getting closer too, and optional in case at any point you want to play it safe

[dusty vault]

sniper shot distance is pretty annoying to use lol

also it blocks twin shot if you see it as first hammer

[tight flower]

yeowch That's a good one

[faint parcel]

only use i see for sniper shot is boss battles beacuse jesus christ i do not want to hug meg

[tight flower]

Let's hope she doesn't hear that and take it personally.. xD

[faint parcel]

alright i hated the wavers in aphrosomething
now its time to hate the splitters

[tight flower]

asphodel and yeah splitters are something else

[stoic raven]

i love splitters when ddash

[sweet brook]

Splitters are fun when you eat the giant ball of projectiles and take 50 damage or whatever

[faint parcel]

lost my lucky tooth to a trap

[tight flower]

ddash?

[stoic raven]

divine dash, athena dash

[tight flower]

Good to know!

[faint parcel]

died to a sword dude on 33

[stoic raven]

splitters kill themselves in one hit

[tight flower]

RIP New PB!

Wish this discord had some places to stream, but, I do understand why it doesn't lol

[faint parcel]

gave 6 nectar to achilles

[stoic raven]

🎉

[tight flower]

Woah! Lot!

[faint parcel]

does anybody by any chance remember how much keys the last weapon needs

[stoic raven]

30

i think, might confuse with mirror

[faint parcel]

[tight flower]

The most expensive ones are 8 each

Mirror does eventually ask for quite a bit later though yeah

[faint parcel]

8 is way more managable

[stoic raven]

oh guess im just confusing it

[faint parcel]

unlocked the gloves and got 4 keys left

[tight flower]

Gloves are very fun! 4 more till the last one's unlocked then

[faint parcel]

hmm

the gloves hammer abilities are funky

[tight flower]

Totally, what did you get?

[faint parcel]

heavy/long/rolling knuckles

[proud elm]

Best tips for new hades players? Just things you wish y knew before playing or anything

Like a crash course

[faint parcel]

3-hit combo with 40 damage each
longer range and +10% damage
dash+strike +60% damage and "added to attack sequence"

[tight flower]

Fun ones!

[dusty vault]

dashes have iframes, using any kind of attack removes them

[stoic raven]

dashes give invulnerability for the duration of the dash, but attacking during them causes a dash strike, which removes that invincibility. a good way to plan around this is to use the iframes from the dash to dodge an attack, and then use the dashstrike afterwards.

duos and legendaries have a base 10% chance of replacing a normal boon choice, and have prerquisites. all "boons have a chance to be rare or better" effects from chaos, yarn of ariadne, and maybe eury's nectar all increase this chance of those boons appearing by 10% each(additive)

[tight flower]

Hmm, it's hard to choose because the game pretty effectively teaches you most things through practice! But a good one is to remember to look at the enemies for their telegraphs (Especially the bosses) and not fall into the trap of having your eyes too glued on Zagreus (You couldn't be blamed too much though, he's a handsome guy )

[dusty vault]

nectar from aspho npc works yeah

also a good tip

be willing to die lol

[tight flower]

Yup, Hades is about the journey!

[dusty vault]

is the way the game keeps the story moving

[tight flower]

Every trip, new dialog, new upgrades

Even regress is progress

[dusty vault]

so even if the run doesn't get far- yeah that

[tight flower]

I was gonna also mention 'talk to your friends' but that's just good life advice, carries over here too xD /lh The dialog and voice acting is phenomenal is what I mean

[faint parcel]

which companion is easiest to get

[tight flower]

Oo, already onto that!

[stoic raven]

skelly imo, though i did start on him early

[tight flower]

I haven't gotten them all so I'm not the best source, but I've found ||Skelly's the easiest so far! It's about opportunity, and you see Skelly all the time. Plus I personally love the effect!||

[dusty vault]

yeah ||skelly is the easiest, meg could be too assuming good rng with her||

[faint parcel]

"and up to 5 times per run"

[tight flower]

||Although you would have to metaphorically Hug Meg, which Silver's expressed a little bit of a disinterest in xD||

[faint parcel]

i swear dyno

[dusty vault]

||can just be friends then ||

||also pretty sure they give companions on first ambrosia, and with meg romance comes later||

[stoic raven]

yeah its first

[faint parcel]

how rare is ambrosia

[tight flower]

||Didn't mean it like that lol and, spoiler-esque territory, I think Silver might be reading these ||

[tight flower]

About as rare as diamonds, although the fated list is more generous about it!

[faint parcel]

oh right i just had a amnesia attack

theyre a drop from bosses

can meg be stunlocked by the gloves

[dusty vault]

bosses can't be stunned at all

[tight flower]

However you're right to be thinking about the quickness of the hits

[faint parcel]

that will be pain

[tight flower]

Effects that stack work great with that part of it

[dusty vault]

gotta time your dashes well

or get titan toppler for the projectiles spam

[tight flower]

titan toppler?

[stoic raven]

????

[tight flower]

is that still in the game? I can only find evidence of it in a 2019 patch

[dusty vault]

Early access name of divine dash lmfao

Ea names were some bangers

[tight flower]

Ohhh fair then xD

[dusty vault]

Nasty dash

[tight flower]

PFF

[dusty vault]

Charm of the lovely goddess

Wanna guess that one

[stoic raven]

well titan toppler is somewhat fitting considering it annihilates splitters

[faint parcel]

JESUS CHRIST, these things deal damage

[stoic raven]

you havent seen damage yet

[tight flower]

The fists? Hell yeah!!

[faint parcel]

i completly ignored my health and just spammed attacks, she barely got me low health before dropping

[stoic raven]

on fists, be sure to use zeus attack and try for splitting

[faint parcel]

funny enough, had poseidon attack

[tight flower]

Zues attack is interesting, I've never tried it but I can see how it would be useful

That or anything that can stack

[dusty vault]

Oh god pos attack

[faint parcel]

the knockback attacking on gloves hmmm yes

[tight flower]

Oh? Interesting choice, is it working out?

[faint parcel]

the enemies are dying before knockback procs, so yes

[stoic raven]

well with sea storm...

[tight flower]

xD

[dusty vault]

Even if its working out I should mention

[stoic raven]

woops wrong reply

[dusty vault]

% attacks are bad on fists cus of the low base dmg

[faint parcel]

not a good choice

[stoic raven]

sea storm>>>>>>>>>>>>lightning strike

[faint parcel]

oh thats the worry

i thought the knockback was the wrong part

[stoic raven]

pos is the worst

[dusty vault]

And pos strike have the lowest % on top of that lmao

Knockback can be annoying but on like tidal dash you can work with it

[stoic raven]

low %, knocks enemies out of your range
but he becomes better than zeus when you get splitting and sea storm and manage to hit stuff

[tight flower]

I like knockback for quite a few playstyles

Kind of annoying in Asphodel if not worked with properly, but there are walls everywhere else

[dusty vault]

His dash is so good

And the special is solid

[tight flower]

truly

[stoic raven]

and duos are epic

[tight flower]

Call* has a very silly motion to it but you can't argue with the results

[dusty vault]

Cast can be used if you want the knocback for the 4th area but not the dash

And his call is funny

[stoic raven]

rip current smair funny

[tight flower]

Oh right, I said special when I meant call xD

[dusty vault]

Razor shoals also puts a heavy amount of work

Even if you don't notice

[stoic raven]

its pretty much jolted minus pom and rarity

[tight flower]

I quite notice the tick effects, they're some of my favourites to go for

It's so amazing how well the game is balanced I mean just what a blast having all these good options to think about

[faint parcel]

"mirror empowered" more goo farming time

[tight flower]

Never enough goo!

[dusty vault]

Green/yellow side is nice

Maybe not now but some of the later skills

[faint parcel]

oh god, death defiance goes past 2?

[dusty vault]

Maybe even past 3

[faint parcel]

[tight flower]

In a way

[faint parcel]

what counts as a chamber

the mirroryellow death defiance sounds weird

[tight flower]

One room so to speak

[faint parcel]

[dusty vault]

Chamber is well any chamber

Could be a combat or a fountain whatever

Encounter has to be a combat

[faint parcel]

wouldnt stubborn defiance be just simply way better then?

[dusty vault]

So stubborn you use it then next room is back again

Not really

Or like

Different uses

[tight flower]

Noooot necessarily...

At least not in my eyes

[faint parcel]

goofy

[tight flower]

Sure, it's technically infinitely reusable

[sweet brook]

stubborn is good if you die like every room

[tight flower]

But only once per room

[sweet brook]

or have a high chance of dying in most rooms

[tight flower]

And to a lesser heal

[sweet brook]

stubborn means you need cleaner boss fights, death defiance means you need cleaner non-boss fights

both have their uses

[tight flower]

Not other way around?

[sweet brook]

no

because like

[tight flower]

Ohh, cleaner as in ones where you don't die

[sweet brook]

boss fights are more likely to take more of your hp

yea

for the early game and for most uses, death defiances are just always gonna be better

[tight flower]

Bottom line, this, and very literally

[sweet brook]

stubborn is more "niche" in a sense

[sweet brook]

lowkey yeah

[dusty vault]

With some shenanigans you can have stubborn recover as much or more hp than 3dds

[sweet brook]

at a certain point in the game, sometimes the rooms just say "screw you" and you can die in like chamber 5 lmao

[dusty vault]

But just learn patterns for now

[tight flower]

Generally Purple is the more blanket utility, while Yellow is the more niche, specific effect

[sweet brook]

hmm

for like the early ones i guess?

but one of the later mirror upgrades, the yellow ones are really good

[faint parcel]

[tight flower]

Yeah some of the later yellows get pretty general and both-are-good, but it's a good mantra for earlygame

[dusty vault]

If you want more in depth there's always the mirror guide pinned

[faint parcel]

for now i gotta go, its 4 am and i played hades for past 7 hours nonstop

[sweet brook]

full time job fr

[tight flower]

Mood, have a great night Silver!

[dusty vault]

Don't burnout lol

[faint parcel]

getting paid for the hour with 5 goo, gn shades

[opal storm]

is it normal to have only beaten meg like 3 times by ~40 runs? i kinda suck at gaming but i feel like im especially behind

is there some like secret strat im missing

[final dune]

have u upgraded ur mirror and stuff

[opal storm]

yeah, i have stubborn defiance, stygian soul, thick skin, and greater reflex

[tight flower]

If you need to don't feel bad turning on god mode, from what I've read about it it doesn't trivialize thing, just gives you a leg up to help snowball you to success

My best advice would be to prioritise more than anything learning enemy telegraphs and avoiding damage

[opal storm]

telegraphs?

[tight flower]

"A visible or audible cue that indicates to an opponent the action that a character is about to take" is a definition for it, Like how say enemies flash white before throwing out an attack, or how Meg readies a dash or whip attack by assuming a lunge-like or raised stance respectively

[silver isle]

by far the bow is the best in slaying the hydra for me

[rich elm]

And for me it is the hardest weapon

[silver isle]

theseus too op

[faint parcel]

you either love the bow or hate it, no inbetweens

[urban sequoia]

Bought the game on PSN a couple days ago, I'm absolutely loving it

I'm playing it along with a friend of mine and he said a bunch of stuff to me that I don't understand lol, like he's able to upgrade weapons and he can use crystals to buy more of that item you get when you defeat the first boss for the first time. He said he's surprised I didn't have that unlocked since I have been playing more than him and I got a lot further than him in runs, I always die to the final boss while he has never reached him yet

Am I supposed to do something in particular to unlock the weapon upgrade shop?

[faint parcel]

unlock all weapons

you also need a titan blood but you for sure have it

btw alotta progress is made by dying

[urban sequoia]

Mh yeah if it's the item you get for killing the ||Fury|| I have it

[faint parcel]

youre kinda supposed to be dying to progress plot

[urban sequoia]

I know and my save file says I'm at 20 escape attempts so I died a bunch

It's weird because my friend has it already

[faint parcel]

not alot

[urban sequoia]

But he's been playing less than me

[faint parcel]

dont forget the RNG

[urban sequoia]

Maybe he died a lot more idk haven't asked

[faint parcel]

he could have got way more keys so he unlocked the weapons right away instead of having to farm

[urban sequoia]

I haven't bought a weapon yet

I guess that's the problem

[faint parcel]

yeah explains it

[urban sequoia]

I was hoarding them to unlock mirror upgrades

[faint parcel]

im doing the exact opposite

weapons first

so ill get the upgradable weapons faster than you

even if you manage to go past my PB

[urban sequoia]

Yeah I could've never imagined

Because mirror makes you objectively stronger, so I thought I'll get that first since weapons are just different playstyles, and I'm still in love with the sword

[broken girder]

20 attempts isn’t bad

[faint parcel]

once you take a whiff of another weapon its like a drug, dont let it get to you

[urban sequoia]

I tried the bow but I hated it

[faint parcel]

[broken girder]

Each weapon seems very hard, until you find a build that clicks with it

[urban sequoia]

Lmao

Sword is fine I love how this game feels to play and the sword complements it so much

[broken girder]

I think for new players the shield is by far the easiest

[faint parcel]

shield bash shield bash shield bash

[urban sequoia]

The special being a literal circle of damage is sooo satisfying lol

[faint parcel]

my fav is just making everybody drunk

[urban sequoia]

I see a shield and a spear

[faint parcel]

for me spear was just spamming its special which is a throw

[urban sequoia]

How many weapons are there? That friend of mine said there's a ||minigun||

[faint parcel]

minigun?????

[broken girder]

The spear, is difficult to use

[urban sequoia]

Idk lol

[faint parcel]

oh wait he mixed it up with the railgun

or whatever u could call it

[broken girder]

Alternatively you could call it a rocket launcher

[faint parcel]

tl:dr a gun

thats all u need to know

[viscid notch]

There's 6 main weapons with each having 4 variations, so 24 total

[urban sequoia]

So I guess those two empty slots unlock later

[faint parcel]

ye

both are kinky

[urban sequoia]

Mh yeah he told me that too

That you can change their moveset

Wild that I haven't unlocked anything yet

[broken girder]

You need to unlock all 6 weapons to get to variations

Which is smth that should be your target

[faint parcel]

how variant are those variations

[urban sequoia]

Yeah they told me, I just did this

[broken girder]

For some a lot, others are so bad, you just play them like the standard

[viscid notch]

Unlocking aspects is way cheaper than mirror

[faint parcel]

different cost

unless u mean the key part

[broken girder]

Yeah

[faint parcel]

not titan blood

[broken girder]

The keys

[urban sequoia]

I guess the fact that mirror costs so much more than weapons was supposed to be a hint that you should get it later

[faint parcel]

how are the bow variants

[urban sequoia]

I didn't get it though

[broken girder]

The two more expensive ones are really good, the other cheapest one… we don’t talk about it

[faint parcel]

how expensive is expensive

[viscid notch]

They're all really good, you can only start to differentiate it if you're speedrunning or pushing ||heat||

[broken girder]

Really? Chiron doesn’t really make anything easier?

[viscid notch]

In order, to max them you need:
5 15 16 15

titan blood

[faint parcel]

m

[broken girder]

Sure Hera is good for speedrunning but Chiron is just really zagbow with a little extra

[viscid notch]

Chiron is really good for casual play and single target damage

great for bossing

[broken girder]

You can check full prizes on the pinned guide, but before you really can’t max a lot before you beat the game once

[faint parcel]

do the variants have different hammer upgrades?

[broken girder]

Most have an exclusive one iirc

[viscid notch]

You have to be insanely competitive for the bad zag bow to become better

[faint parcel]

good single target damage? more like chainshot

[broken girder]

Perhaps I just never managed to play Chiron correctly

[viscid notch]

If you're trying to get low times or push 50 ||heat||+ then you're probably playing it right, it just sucks from that point onward

low times meaning less than 8 minutes

It is hammer dependent for what its worth and doesnt have many strong build options

[faint parcel]

hol up, 8 minutes what

[broken girder]

Yeah I do be trying to get them (not that I’m particularly successful at it)

[viscid notch]

Can be tough with some weps ye

But you'll get it

[broken girder]

Thanks

[viscid notch]

8 minutes clear time

[faint parcel]

for the full escape?

[viscid notch]

Indeed

[broken girder]

Yeah

[faint parcel]

how, the enemies dont spawn fast enough for tht

[viscid notch]

You can use something to make them spawn faster. But it's mostly good room clearing and weapon fundamentals

[broken girder]

You try to get as many enemyless chambers as possible and let them spawn close to you

[faint parcel]

just pay charon like 5.5 obol smh

actually, do you ever get any sort of fast travel

[viscid notch]

no

[broken girder]

Only on the way back

[sour quiver]

You ded you restart

[urban sequoia]

8 minutes as in in-game time right?

[broken girder]

Of course not rta

[urban sequoia]

Rta?

[broken girder]

Real time

[urban sequoia]

I see

[sour quiver]

Made it to REDACTED once using hera bow

I suck at all the melee option XD

[faint parcel]

SCP foundation was in the Underworld afterall

craziest crossover yet, avengers endgame has nothing on this, spiderman is here too

[broken girder]

Most melee weapons use the good old ME build except shield, you can but it isn’t the best available option ig

[rich elm]

ME?

[dusty vault]

Merciful end, athena-ares duo

[broken girder]

Merciful end

[faint parcel]

i swear i never get athena

[broken girder]

You go ares attack first then either divine flourish or ddash if you got flourish then you go for either ME or ddash, if you got ddash then you go for divine flourish and then ME

[faint parcel]

ares and athena have my fav boons but i cant ever get athena

[dusty vault]

I assume you don't have her keepsake?

[broken girder]

It do be like that, ideally you would use her keepsake to summon her

[faint parcel]

i think i specially took that one

im not sure which one i took

[broken girder]

It’s an owl

[dusty vault]

Might as well tell you how the god pool works too now

As that also helps a lot

[broken girder]

Pool party

[dusty vault]

When you pick a boon from the olympians (hermes works differenly so don't mind him) they are added to your pool of gods
Once you have 4 different gods on it the rest won't appear for the rest of the run

[broken girder]

Unless you force them

[dusty vault]

Yeah you still can use keepsakes to add more

Or sometimes you'll get a 5 god pool without realizing through the shops

[faint parcel]

oh yeah i took a owl

[faint parcel]

so i can choose 4 gods to only appear

[dusty vault]

Yup

[faint parcel]

and how would one go about skipping a boon, if ever

[dusty vault]

Sometimes you simply don't have the option

Most builds only use 2 "core" gods so you don't need a perfect pool to happen

There's 1 mirror skill that lets you reroll what the door offers but its yellow side is better

[broken girder]

But it’s still recommended to fill it, even if you only need 2, because otherwise the game is going to offer more different gods and not the same ones over and over again

[faint parcel]

oh yeah i think i unlock it next

missing one key for the final weapon

[faint parcel]

by looking at some Gods and their boons, some have prerequisite boons to get them, how does that work

do i need to have those prerequisites currently on me, or just overall picked them up at least once

[broken girder]

You have to have them on that run

[faint parcel]

huuh??

a green meg appeared

tisiphone?

[broken girder]

Oh you’re there

Have fun

[faint parcel]

well

she did almost kill me

but way less health than mag + the explosive shot i got did quick work

[broken girder]

When the arena shrinks, it’s to her disadvantage too

[faint parcel]

the explosive shot is so good

[tall osprey]

Mu-mu-murder?

[tall osprey]

Keep in mind the prerequisites, so you can have better chances to get a good build. The codex will be helpful for this

[faint parcel]

will do once i start actually trying to build up

right now i have a devastating explosive shot + twin shot + curse of agony thing

[dusty vault]

You need to buy the upgrade for the codex from the work orders to see the boon list btw

[urban sequoia]

What is the max rank of the mirror upgrade "Olympian favor"?

I have purchase it 15 times and I still haven't reached the max

[faint parcel]

god the shield dudes in elysium are the worst

[dusty vault]

+40%

But the yellow side of it is frankly way better

[dusty vault]

Stand next to them so they try the dash attack and dash through them

That leaves their back open

[faint parcel]

exagryph unlocked

well this is something different

[dusty vault]

Enjoy the totally ancient greece weapon

[faint parcel]

daedalus cooked with this one

ill save for the last death defiance before upgrading my cast i think

is the additional chance for boons to be rare by like 15% or 20% that much difference

[dusty vault]

It helps for hermes more than anything

He has lower base chance for his boons to have any rarity

[faint parcel]

the dude who's boons are the least impactful for me

[dusty vault]

(also if its from a chaos boons it also boosts epic/legendaries chance)

[dusty vault]

Most boons from him don't really do much but the ones that do are huge

[faint parcel]

dyno i swear to ares

[faint parcel]

[dusty vault]

Main ones to look out for are greatest reflex

+3 dashes at epic

[faint parcel]

who would have guessed thats exactly what im looking at

just gotta survive 4 chambers without being destroyed by traps, easy enough

[dusty vault]

The other amazing hermes combo is hyper sprint + rush delivery

Sprint gives you +100% movement after dashing (+ sturdy which is a 30% dmg reduction) and rush delivery converts your speed into global dmg

[faint parcel]

oh god i just dashed right into a trap that dealt 39 damage

[dusty vault]

If you get epic rush delivery then 100% of your movement speed is converted into dmg

And global dmg buffs means anything from zagreus

So attack/special/stuff like zeus boons/call/etc

[faint parcel]

never even saw that

[dusty vault]

You need to take hyper sprint or greater haste to see rush delivery

Or his keepsake but is not recommended

Also movement speed is multiplicative

So if you buy and stack ichors (20% speed, 10 coins) from charon wells

Then you zoom

[faint parcel]

also drunk dude boons are good for longer runs right? stuff like additonal fountain buffs and max hp on nectar

[faint parcel]

new flash

[dusty vault]

His support boons are solid yeah

[faint parcel]

got 150 max hp, had to be on the most unconventional weapon

oh god a new meg sister

alecto

nevermind the gun deals more damage than i thought, easy

do i get a death defiance charge if i get deathless stand even if my current ones are all replenished allready

like i didnt die yet but i can pick up deathless stand

[broken girder]

You mean Athena’s offer?

[faint parcel]

ye

"death defiance makes you impervious longer. replenish 1 use"

[broken girder]

If you have full dd and Athena offers to give you one, you only get the perk under you don’t get 4 dd

[faint parcel]

[broken girder]

If you have stubborn defiance you can die once take the boon and then get the sd replenished ig

[faint parcel]

meh

ill take sure footing instead

all my tries in elysium so far were greatly harrased by the traps

my first try using the railgun and im allready at 28th floor with the best boons i ever got

beaten the bull of minos, weird dude

[broken girder]

He’s kind

[faint parcel]

wasnt a battle to the death thats for sure

oh god, hammer or a drunk dude + ares boons

[dusty vault]

Is this your first or 2nd hammer

[faint parcel]

second

first was delta chamber changing my attack into a 3 round burst

[dusty vault]

What boons do you currently have

[faint parcel]

why doesnt this place allow pictures

[dusty vault]

Use embeds instead

[faint parcel]

https://discord.com/cfef12e0-641b-46c1-acc3-74ceb5417ad2

that didnt work as planned

[dusty vault]

Right click the img and press copy img link

[faint parcel]

thats what i did

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/524310260610105365/1177977368552427590/image.png?ex=657477ea&is=656202ea&hm=d32790db32d5907ad5dd4688f8bbf060ce3ea794d82fc31e4f74aa4f36fd0a16&=&format=webp

out of curiosity, can you actually get anything out of this image

[dusty vault]

Yeah is fine

[faint parcel]

hades players built different

[dusty vault]

The only one I don't recognize is the bottom ares boon

Is not impending doom right

[faint parcel]

dire misfortune

[dusty vault]

But you almost ran into a merciful end build on your own

Lmao

[faint parcel]

Doom deals more damage the more it is implied

[faint parcel]

thewha

[dusty vault]

Duo boon of ares athena

Hitting enemies with deflect abilities instantly triggers the applied doom

[faint parcel]

well i do have the game paused before the choice of the boons and hammer, i guess its booning time

[dusty vault]

Trials can't offer duos

At all

[faint parcel]

[dusty vault]

Could take it just get impending doom

Or take hammer so the game stops offering later

[faint parcel]

that sounds like the hammer is bad

[dusty vault]

Nah rail hammers are good

Rocket is ideally better paired with cluster bomb but is still solid

Hazard bomb is great

Targetting is extra dmg

[faint parcel]

i did see rocket as a potential thing

[dusty vault]

What I mean with this is that the game really wants to make sure you get your 2 hermes boons and hammers

[still nacelle]

trial is for legendary is cool

[dusty vault]

So if you avoid them the game pushes them on you a lot

[faint parcel]

2 hermes boons?

is that like a guaranteed thing?

[dusty vault]

You can only get a max of 2 hermes boons and hammers normally