#h1-for-new-players
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I only have spear
oh
idk how to unlock the ones past the 4 that are there
unlock the ones there
then you get more
but
if ur that early
just play more
no advice is better than experience at that point
I unlocked them all other than shield cuz I think it's boring. is that why theres no other weapons...
how do you know if it's boring if u dont even have it lol
well
it's worth unlocking anyways to get the next two weapons
well
the last weapon
fifth weapon kinda stinks 🗿
that explain's a lot, thank you so much
we dont talk about that one
should I trade off my titan blood to trader?
save for now
ok good to know
check pins for guide to spend once you figure out how
should is save my darkness for another death defiance?
probably
make sure u have greater reflex too
why is my computer able to run hades
the min req on steam is 2.4ghz, 3ghz recommended but my processor is 2.3ghz
anyways, enjoying the game so far, sadly i still remember the ending from about 2 years ago
||why is this channel dead||
Should be fine probably
I'm not a big tech guy so I have no idea but it'll probably work
and even better, its actually managing to run properly, my computer's only been reset once
I think recommended isn't like the bare minimum
recommended is 3.0ghz, the minimum requirements are 2.4ghz
my computer is 2.3ghz
not necessarily a new player but why does my god gauge sometimes have 5 charges and sometimes have 4? does it depend on whose call i have?
ahh okay thank u
Hello everyone!
Only a potential new player here, I'm intrigued by what I've seen so far from the trailers.
Is it actually good though?
very much so
well i mean
youre in the server of people who love the game
but yeah
top 2 game of all time
i was gonna point that out yeah lmao
actualy on the other hand there's a few games where if you ask people if they should get the game they'll whole heartedly say "no" so honestly fair
What can I say?
Force of habit.
Reading reviews is one thing, but asking the actual community is different, even if it's existence means they love it.
My sentiments exactly.
Happened a couple times.
me with geometry dash
yeah i think it'll be difficult to find anyone in this server who would say "don't get this game" lmao
good thing i got it for free
my mom is
she plays like 5 hours a day and is in one of the top teams as a high level administrator or something
her rn
your mom is so incredibly based
she hired someone to make a bot for her team for contested territory
no way is rt bloonpilled
lmfao
i bloonpilled my mom years ago
with td5
I got ||assist from Meg, Thanatos, Skelly and Achillies||. Who esle am I missing and how do I get them?
sisyphus, dusa
all the same
How do you unlock more Dusa story?
I think she's still having lock on her heart chain
do house renovations
in the lounge
I ||freed Sisyphus|| so I should probably get his next time I find him
I was hoping Artemis actually, cause I once saw a screenshot with something green and forest-ish that i feel she would have
Plus she's best girl, with Dusa right behind
Heretic
Lady Aphrodite will have your head
If they add Hestia in the next game they better make her the Bestia
Omfg
What team is that
the fact that I know who that is
the team or what player my mom is
The team
I played the first event and got bored
how do i get better at using mouse and keyboard? I feel really comfortable with the controls on a controller, but on a keyboard, my movement feels really weird and hard to control
Just play with it more I guess. I also didn't used to mouse but now I'm... decent, I guess
also, turn on aim assist and/or attack at cursor
Just more practice or switch to controller if you can
A lot of top players use kbm and it's just more practice to get a good feel for it. Maybe try rebinding some stuff if you want
i love playing hades tower defense(ranged weapon spam)
I don’t do well with ranged stuff like the bow
Bow is one of the trickier ones as a starter weapon
It’s not that intuitive
But the trick is just to dash strike
is it worth it selling boons in the pool of purging?
i dont know what ambrosia does, is selling it for 500 darkness worth it
is basically a replacement for nectar once you have advanced a lot in your relationship with a character
so early game not many uses

Returning Member from 2011 - is this the room get tips. I am now playing my cross-server account on the switch.
yea
Sweet! How have you been playing?
I started in 2021
Then thing fell off because I got busy
i got it like three days ago
i'd say stick around here until you reach the credits, then it'd probably be better to ask outside to avoid spoilers
i got the game on december 25 last year
i still need to figure out when i started playing this game
I’ve never beaten it
I got all way to the gates and dead
Those door too me through a loop
The Colosseum was fun though
ive only gotten to asphodel once
i think i started july 4 2021
that was the day i cleared tartarus and iirc i cleared it within a day
im baby i dont know what that is
nope
probably one of the worst lol
or at least less helpful ones
Ooooooppp
than's keepsake
He is your bestie I think
it's like better than distant memory and co but not by much
it's not good because you dont get control over your build, and if you want to take if when you have your build, it'll be too late to be useful
i love him so i already know ill love him in game too
Which one would you use then?
god keepsakes
I don’t have that one
you mean an olympian
the olympians r still gods
yeah but thanatos is a god
but yeah god keepsake refers to one of the 8 keepsakes from aph arty ares athena pos zeus dio ||dem||
@unreal scroll it depends which
but you'd want to use one of the keepsakes from here https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1123765865423310879/image.png
oh ok
oh my god dyno
lol
i will cut you in twain and scatter your ashes in a volcano
I see
but essentially
you use one of those
and take one of their boons first
here is a guide on how to make some decent builds
there's spoilers in there
Thank you
||hidden aspect stuff||
oh right
im using lucky tooth
wish tooth was used first instead of death defiances
Whose guide is this?
the guy who made the website
I hate the butterflies
As far as I can tell to use the fists you just spam dash and attack
pretty much
there's more specific techs for speedrunning but that's really all you need at a base level
cool
NAH WHAT THE HELL WHY DOES THESEUS HAVE A GUN
that's your fault
I mean you can use a gun as well so basically its a draw
you'll see
well
it depends on what community you ask
but also there is eventually something which makes asking the question of what weapon a lot more complicated
I tend to get the furthest with bow butnthats may be just me
i think i least like the bow
you just have to learn to dash strike power shot
i like the spear thingy
at this point in ur progression bow is probably the best thing u have access to
I guess we are opposites cus i hate the spear
i should make a video with all the damage rotations
i have sword spear bow and shield
I've been considering that too lmao
wtf is base spear rotation
...sorry what are rotations
2x dash attacks probably
yeah
Basically optimal inputs to maximize damage
And it's looped
yeah bro
the buttons u press
im just a baby i got this game two days ago i know nothing
Which is why it's called a rotation
okk
DW about it lol just keep asking questions
damn i have aspect bonuses
Make a new save and use shop mod
only really matters for bow and rail though
How far were you guys into the game by the time you beat it for the first time
...
wtf is my fourth save
when did i use this what
apparently it took me like 360 tries to get the 652
i need darkness for 2nd dash lol
Me? 23 attempts
Shop mod
doesnt give
It does
broker doesnt offer it
ok
I was able to max mirror
I think the special offer rotates between gems and darkness
sometimes its blood for darkness isnt it
Idk but shop mod gives you infinite resources basically
Well it's not called shop mod
Generous broker
yeah thats what i have
Well you should get darkness lmao
im playing out the ff run and i keep thinking enemies will spawn way faster than they do lol
Lmao amazing
50ish runs. Always hear about the person taking 20 or 200
im at 42 and got to Final boss once
you have to buy access from the contractor
opening up the lounge should open up broker by default
when can u buy access
Nice, nice. How did it go against the final boss?
Got to second phase
gave had skele keepsake left
then died like 10 bow shots away from victory
like... immediately after 1st run lmao
or 2nd or something idk
but very very early
Which buff makes enemies take damage when bloodstones are dropped from them
exit wounds boon from Artemis
you don't buy access to broker, you have to wait until lounge gets open which is like after 3rd run I believe
And which one makes them fly back to you automatically?
You mean Nyx's mirror?
Ye
Is it green or purple?
Is there any item to guarantee the hammer?
Nope
Trying to relearn this game is something else…especially when you didn’t have a clear understanding from the beginning 😅
which contractor's desk deluxe upgrade should i go for first
generally the game always gives u 2 hammers per run.. first in tartarus/asphodel, second in elysium/styx.. it will keep offering them till u take them
unless ur very early in ur runs
. i think u dont get hammers at all for a while or when u do its only one at first.. something like that
first hammer is so garbo lol
it's like flurry world splitter and hoarding slash
unless its random
Hello again!
Is this the channel without spoilers?
I guess I'll be staying for a while.
Got the game and it's awesome so far!
What should I tag as spoilers here?
Just in case.
Yep. You can check the channel’s description
Alright.
So, question right off the bat: can you not change weapon in mid run?
No
Ah, okay.
I got far with that bow, for a second run anyway.
I got this weird blood with spikes over it after beating Tartarus boss.
Who can I give it to?
@arctic jacinth That will be for weapon upgrades, sorry if this is a spoiler in this channel
Nah, Achilles gave me a hint about what it is, so it's no spoiler.
Thanks nonetheless.
How does earning of Titan Blood work?
I got four pieces from beating Tartarus with four different weapons and then traded one to Wretched Broker for 200 Gemstones.
Next run, I beat Tartarus and for some reason didn't get the blood.
Is it now permanently lost and I will get locked out of some upgrades or did I get the system wrong?
Also, can you please give some tips on Hydra? Boss is cool and all, but it keeps beating me into oblivion.
hydra is kind of just getting better damage
and getting the hell away when it does one of its tells
every time you kill the first boss with a different weapon, you get one
you'll get more eventually, don't sweat it
there isn't anything you can permanently screw up
Thank the Greek Gods.
Do bosses get stronger the more you defeat them?
Megaura the Fury used to only do her bullet spam attack at last phase, but now she does it much earlier.
Which attack she gains is random when she reaches 75% health
I see.
I just beat Hydra!
Had two Death Defiances used, but it was worth it.
Damn epic!
nice
Yeah.
I got through most of Elysium, but the boss trampled me.
That's normal, keep trying 🦾
idk what keepsake i should use for Tarturus
I think using a god keepsake to get the first god you want is pretty common
Also Sisyphus keepsake is a good one to start too if you’re not looking for a specific build
or purse
Using the bow with the dyonisus blessing is fun as hell
on what
do you unlock the dimond trade after the secound boss?
Yeah.
when can you but titans blood?
after third boss I think
you can also get it with the rotation option but only one at a time and only sometimes
with which item
what happen when i max up my friendship with a character
i already have 1 shield zag aspect
You get a cool sticker next to the keepsake when checking the cabinet
And story spoilers ||some of the relationships needs to be maxed for the game's epilogue||
Nope
sad
Hi, just started playing is there a prefer God to give gifts too?
give atleast one to each character you can, you will get a keepsake that helps you on your way, after that is for more story
thanks
How many times can I die before I stop getting unique interactions?
a very large number of times
too much times
So many
How do you unlock the final weapon?
i mean because i dont see it
what makes it appear
all other weapons need to be unlocked
it has appeared now, i just need two more keys
It is quite literally a gun
i got 4 death defiences lmao
Is God Mode use by a lot of ppl or is frawn upon? Also, can you get achievements if God Mode is on?
you can do everything in game with god mode on, you do get achievements
if you see anyone frawin upon god mod users, pls send me... I will have a talk with them
I personally have never seen someone doing that
half of my friends use god mode 🤙
ahh ok thanks for the kind words. New to the game and was wondering what the consensus was about using God Mode.
I hate people hating on other people because they use a easy mode
Is it like a easy mode were mobs die easily or it just makes you buffer?
I don't remember
As you die, you get dmg resistance
Is not a "easy mode" cuz you still need do deal the dmg
It gets easier the more you die, but just for the resistence
ah so is not your traditional ez mode. Thanks for the explanation.
It is a good tool for ppl that are new to this kinda game and/or are playing mostly for the story
ong it saved my life
i wouldve never gotten through my first time (or second time for that matter) if not for it
yeah getting my butt kick with the bull lol
My best friend never had the chance to play this kind of games, and their laptop didn't run the game that well when they started.
If it wasn't for god mode, I won't be able to share my favorite game with my best friend!
dude was overpowering fr, and then i beat him and got through elysium and i was like okay they want me to fight this mf AND a ripped blond himbo???
its such an important addition for story games i think
for people who prefer just the story, but to be able to turn it off for others who focus on their skill and technique as well
That's why I love supergiant system of "ok, done with the begginin of the game, here are tools for you to make the game harder if you want;"
Like that its not your traditional ez mode, you still got to work for it. But once you die a lot upto 80% dmg res, guess it becomes very ez.
ong especially if you level up your weapon of choice
It will be very ez, but I think at that point, half of the reason is you getting beter at the game
If it is a challange for you, is a challange to overcome
I love the bow aspect of hera
I actually dont have a fav 😅
I have a less favorite at the moment, but I have fun with all
I also like the fists
But after hades 2, for some reason I am inclined to say that nemesis is my fav
whats ur least fave?
shield for me so far
I like nemesis styg blade
sword leaast fav for me
i love just chucking that mf at the wall and seeing it ricochet
yeah just unlock the Zeus shield and liking it
I love zues shield but normal shield is epic
Gun
Right now, for me it just feels a bit clinky to use it.
I know it can be really strong, but just not workin for me right now. This will prob pass when I start to improve with them. Just like it happen with bow and spear 😅
Shield bouncing is hella fun
That's why zag shield is my fav from them
I love acheiless spear
THE best spear
ive been using hades spear lately its been the love of my life
the spin attack gives me so much serotonin
I tried to do that and I hated.
It was back when spear was my least favorite weapon tho
I'm a shield enjoyer too
Hiyaa
I just bought hades
Icl I am new to the roguelike genre
Im 1 hour into the game
And so far I love the art and all
Phenomenal
The voice acting too omg
But like
I cant help but feel its repetitive but I heard thats the point of the gente
Genre*
yeah you're supposed to do a bunch of runs
Ah
hades is a roguelite which means among other things it has meta progression
so for a long time the gameplay elements will continue to change
I dont wanna refund this game I think it deserves a chance but the repetitiveness is getting to me 
Try do something diffirent each run
i mean
if you're only an hour in
you haven't seen much of the change
how many weapons do you have
So bow and spear?
no
Try different weapons and builds lol
Bow and shield
I think I did smth wrong lol
Are you struggling at a boss or something rn?
Nope I just keep dying to regular enemies
Athena is a good god for 1st boss
What's your mirror looking like
+3 hp I think and I upgraded the first option like twice
Tbf Im only an hour into the game
most important is ssecond dash
Death defiance and greater reflex should be priority atm
greater reflex
I just get dizzy easily after playing anything
then death defiance
Yeah the game does get good doesnt it :]
Dopamine yes ( with good builds
Im new to roguelikes so its a first for me
Story progresses each run no matter ( you still need to flee further up )
Also try each weapon and find which fits you the best
yeah the game is definitely repetitive in terms of just doing runs every time but there's always different combos and i feel like the progression is also there. like i used to suck at the game and then i just kept playing and got better lmao
Ooo definitely the “default” one
So sword
and there's always something to do in the game with plot so it's nice
ooh same 😭
If you want to stay alive longer , try athena
Aphrodite has like the highest dmg modifier
Dont forget your cast
I heard theres also god mode and I looked it up and it basically makes thegame easier
Hmm
i think it's def worth it to just play without lmao
It gets higher each loss
i went like 30 runs using keyboard and mouse and never completed elysium and then i got a controller and it was so life changing lmao. i have so much respect for keyboard and mouse users 😭
but yeah i never used god mode despite the 30 losses lol
if you find yourself struggling a lot then you can consider turning it on if you want
Still hard at it due to brimstones the crystals and other enemies that are like same as brim
you still have to learn the game but it's just a lot more lenient
Oml
Im glad I played controller from the start 😭
When I took a break I was like hmm what if I switched to kb and mouse
I wonder how hard it would be LOL
12, 22, and 34 are the last combat rooms of each biome
next afterwards is guaranteed free room and then boss
One of the free rooms can be Charon
Aka the bag with a golden skull if you didnt went to one
Boons are 150
i felt like it was very hard for me lol i just find it uncomfortable moving my mouse around and im just not good at it lol
honestly might be fun to try going back but we'll see 😭
also where do i start with educating myself about builds?? like i kind of just read the descriptions of each boon and just do a ton of combinations
Combat strat
I cant wait to get to the fun(ner) parts of the game rn Im just flabbergasted
Builds and combat i mean
oh is there like a place to start? i feel like i get overwhelmed reading everyone's comments lol
but it was also modded
You can get only 1 hammer rn due to 2nd being in the 3rd part and highest of the underworld
This game got mods??
apparently
i only found out yesterday LOL
OH SORRY
okay yeah i dont remember how to use the spoiler feature so imma just delete my message lol
Same but mobile
but yeah like there's like good combos with certain gods and certain weapons so i might just do a bit of research and get familiar
oh thanks!!
Windette?
Ah yes Wimbdy lol
I died to Hades noooooooooooooo
Looked ar it and it features chiron so i would immediately trust it 0%
unless the gimmick of the video is that it lies to you and then says it was a joke or something
|| he showed a build for nem which is aphrodite attack ares special artemis cast and optimally also athena dash and 3 other builds: chiron like you said and also aspect of zeus and both to have the same build aka aphrodite attack dionysus spec artemis cast and revenge from ares and a gilgamesh build which is to have me mainly aka doom attack and dash and spec athena probably || sorry for making this so long
ares special 🗿
tho tbh he does exxagerate the builds bc chiron isnt that great even with dyionisus you need good rarity and lvl
shouldn t nem have ares on special tho?
or should it be on attack if its not with ME and on spec if its with ME?
no
you should never have doom special with ME unless you're on zeus shield
and you shouldn't use doom without ME
I mean its decent dmg but I can see why
wait okay so
doom on attack is only good if you do ME
and you should have doom on attack and rather have athena on special not the other way around
yes
gn
Hey, new here, what can I do with titan blood
It’s used to upgrade weapons
where
so certain Gods only appear when you wield certain weapons. Because I been trying to give Aprodites a nectar but she has not appear for a very long time. Wonder if she appears only when using range weapons? thanks
I only got her as an option when wielding the bow
No it's just completely random lmao
Once you get boons from 4 unique gods (doesn't include Hermes and chaos) then you can't see any different gods unless you force them into your god pool
ok
It unlocks after you buy the rail
rail?
The gun
Just keep buying the weapons in the courtyard for keys
It’s obvious when it unlocks so you wont miss it
sometimes there's some weirdness with the shop and it'll be 5 plus Hermes
just had that happen the other day
Do I have to unlock all the weapon in one type to get the last one? Like unlock all three rails to get the last rail gun etc..?
No, just the weapon
you have to put at least 5 blood into upgrades for whatever weapon you're trying to unlock the hidden aspect of
also you have to get the hidden spear aspect before you'll get any of the other waking phrases
Like you have to actually unlock it or just be able to see the option
exact methods pinned in #h1-story-discussion but what clio said is true
so if i want to unlock the last Rail gun i have to put 5 bloods into it correct?
ahh ok Achilles yet to give me a spear
maybe I need to give him a nectar or something
hidden spear method is different
nah you need to have the prereqs lmao
Weapons are your main mode of attack. Initially, only the Stygian Blade is available, but additional weapons can be unlocked by spending Chthonic Keys in the Arsenal Room. Unlocking all the weapons requires a total of 24 Chthonic Keys. They can be upgraded during a run with a Daedalus Hammer.
Each weapon has a number of "Aspects" that can be unl...
scroll down and it has details on the hidden aspects and the exact reqs
minor spoilers obviously
So I beat the last boss, do that mean I beat the game or does beating the game multiple times is when it is final. As the last final cutscene left in a cliff hanger. New to roguelites games so just trying to figure things out. thanks.
10 times
About to fight ||Hades|| for the third time
Maybe I'll finally beat him
More likely I'll die lol
||hades|| isn't even as hard a fight as ||charon|| is for me sometimes. have you had a chance to fight ||charon|| yet?
both of those things have to be spoiler marked btw
you should get the chance since clearing the first time
you got it. Go giet him
gg
also need to spoiler final boss and beyond
This game is so good. Is Hades 2 releasing full release or early access?
we are getting early access news this year
...we hope
ahh wanted a full release. I will wait for full release dont like to play unfinished games
will buy it early but not play it
I bought Balder Gates 3 early release but havent played yet will play it when it releases this month
I didn't care about or buy hades until early 2021, I'm a bit torn between getting to be along for the EA ride or getting the full polished experience going in like with the first gane
I like to support the game,but wait for full release.
I got transistor in 2020 which is just a beautiful game and that was my intro to sgg
then hades came out at a decent price and became my favorite game ever
I am planning on playing Transistor next after Hades, what do you think of the game? Same level as Hades or totally different game?
Does ||Hades forget what happens when you defeat him? He dont remembers me defeating him? ||
totally different game in both tone and gameplay, you plan what moves you're going to do in advance and execute the command
but it's gooood
||if you were him would you admit your son killed you?||
ah like rpg tactics
yes
||well, dad wouldn't
||
||He does tho, he doesn't really mention after because,as the reason for alot of his beharvior, he doesn't want his son to have the pride that makes other gods do some pretty not ok stuff||
ah ||ok though it was amnesia or something||
hey can someone help me with getting the hidden aspect for the fist cause i have everything completed and met asterius multiple times but it wont give me the dialogue to get the hidden aspect
You can double check that you have the requirments in #h1-story-discussion pins. Other than that it's just rng
Any benefit of catching fish? just got the rod
you get extra resources for them
It can be a nice change of pace
I did not spend 5 bloods to get the aspect of Guan Yu like guides I saw say I had too? Did they change it now ?
or is it 5 bloods in any weapon accumulative?.
The wiki has the costs
Which guide you looked at
The requirement for hidden spear is unlock 5 non zag aspects across all weapons
youtube videos
Yt moment
But yeah wiki/#h1-story-discussion pins have the method to unlock the 4th aspects
gotta beat hm untile u get bored
Does the cruel thrust Daedalus upgrade for the sword affect the dash strike or just the final attack of the combo?
just the final attack on the combo
even tho a dash strike is functionally a thrust, it doesn't count towards cruel thrust
which makes cruel thrust in the middle tier of sword hammers because even though it does nothing for you it isn't literally actively negative like 4 others
Damn that sucks I only picked it cause I thought it'd help my dash strike lol
i think only double edge, breaching slash, and piercing wave affect dash strikes
double edge is in the description at least lmao
hoarding
oh yeah i forgot that existed
Hey all. I know I’m late to the party but just picked up Hades from the Steam summer sale. I don’t know much about the game other than it’s universally praised, so I’m in the dark about story and general strats. Having a good time but getting my butt kicked 😂
Sounds ideal. Enjoy!
Welcome to your new obsession. And yes, it's expected that you'll get stomped for the first few runs, we all did.
Once you get into the rhythm of playing it’s a lot of fun and will become your new obsession
you'll probably die at least the first 20 times
but yeah it's very addictive, I have 700 hours on switch and 100 on pc
Or first 100 times
the first clear is worth it though, I cried
It's a good feeling
On my 11th run, I finally got out of the first area, then died to some lava skeletons
I’m doing the best with bow. Take too much damage with the close combat weapons
Two runs died to trial of the gods rooms, lol
should i just use my most comfortable weapon or use the 20% darkness one?
Depends on where you’re at, but do what you’re most comfortable with
I think the 20% boost might help if you use dark regeneration though
should i get the spear or unlock the second row of talents with my keys
Those things are always tough. Always have to question of they're worth it on my runs
I would say unlock weapons first. Darkness is usually the limiting factor on the mirror.
what’s your favorite weapon to use?
Probably the bow, but it varies day to day. You're definitely going to want to try out all of the versions of all of them.
whats the best ewapon i can use and the best aspect
That is going to be different for everyone. Kinda have to feel which ones vibe with you
There is a pinned guide of how much power you can expect from each aspect but as deranger said, just try everything
You don't need the best to easily win
Ok thank you very much
Just unlocked the rail
First try with it I beat the second area boss for the first time and made it all the way to the third area double boss
Also I just discovered aspects. How rare is titan blood? Haven’t used any yet, only got 2
One drop per each weapon that you defeat the first boss and final boss
After you first escape you get the biggest way to gain more and outside of that you have prophecies/trading at the lounge /shop in the final area may sell one
how to beat meg, been playing for 50 hours
do you have shield
have you unlocked all weapons
yes
do you have zeus keepsake
do you have second revive and second dash
if so try using the rail and the zeus keepsake, take zeus attack
and on bosses dont be greedy
if there's an attack you think you can't avoid then don't bother trying to deal damage during it just run away
Aegis is gonna be your most helpful for Meg. If you can, get get a Dionysus attack or Ares special both are optimal but either one can get you past Meg fairly easy.
Chip damage on the quick attack for the god of wine. Ares special means you can throw the shield and run away while a second layer it deals minimal 50 dmg, that’s like a rechargeable cast.
yeah
the special isn't worth using and the attack is better off with a %
tbh Meg I'd say can be completely bruteforced just by upgrading the mirror, 50 hours being stuck on Meg seems way too long
so my first question would be what mirror upgrades you have
On many weapons this is true. However, the shield does so little damage on each individual attack, a viable strategy is to rack up chip damage. Same with the special. If you throw the shield, you can hit multiple enemies for low damage but with curse of pain, it will let you distribute a better damage output to a wide range.
25 base damage
epic aph adds 25
while the realistic answer is either get zagshield or get cshot
% will just work better
Then I respect your experience. I will still offer mine which let me beat the game
mike on the way to tell me im wrong and bad
Just focus on learning the attack patterns and empty dashing to dodge. Your "build" barely matters at this point
nvm we're good for nwo
If you wanna facetank everything you'll win once in a while and die in the biome right after so it's pointless
But yea 50 hours seems a big long. Maybe consider god mode
Then switch back once comfortable
This is one of those situations where a better god mode that worked like configurable inverse heat would be the best solution.
Is there a way to see how many times you have complete a run? The only time I can see is at the end of the run.
at the end of the run is the only reliable and not time consuming one
although i think you can add up between your weapons
when you highlight them
it should show you total escapes i think
but the other way is to go and count in the administrative chamber
ok thanks
Geesh I try doing the 20% fast attack and speed for the punishment but was too fast for me lol. I rather have less options of Boons or something.
spoiler that
||FO is definitely hard to adjust to but you'd 100% prefer that to AP||
||AP and RI are deceptively difficult||
oh for real, ok I will try it and see
Is there any way to dodge 2nd phase hades explosion
time a dash through it
dash through it
.
how times change
Are the aspects of non olympians always the best?
Not necessarily
Both in terms of loose consensus and what you'll prefer personally.
I've just recently obtained access to the Aspects for the arms.
Done some research and poured all my Titan Blood in Aspect of Eris as my preferred carry.
Is this an ok decision?
I think just dump blood into whatever weapons you find fun as you cant really be set back at all by making a mistake with your blood
however eris does shred
Learned that Eris is both solid and flexible in how it works
Since its buff applies on everything
And it worked out for me cause I reached the farthest I got....dying to a surprise phase 2 of Hades.
Btw do the keepsakes for the olympians only work post-boss battle?
I tried using it at the start of the run and it didnt work
didn't work how
if you got a hammer instead of boon first that can happen
the keepsake doesn't guarantee that next reward is a boon, just that next boon you get is from that god
and even that isn't always true, if you for example had a room with two exits then you could get offered room with the keepsake god and other room could have different god and you could just go to that room instead
also there are some scripted boons when you're starting out that will override the keepsake
poseidon has two for example
but the keepsake will trigger afterwards
yep that is one of the scripted ones
Apparently the wretched broker sells Tartarus blood for diamonds, but I don’t see that in my shop? Is there something I need to progress?
I’m not sure, but some options may not be available until you beat a specific boss
Even then, I don’t think there is a direct diamond to blood trade that isn’t the limited time offer
Ah ok, than, you
Yeah some trades are just once between runs
The one that's always available is ambrosia>titan blood
How many hours should it take to beat your first run?
It varies a lot based on the player and how fast they learn the game mechanics and boss patterns etc
Ah cool
Thx
for me it was around 5-7 hours, but like MiKE said it varies a lot
I’ve played 7 hours, and the farthest I’ve made it is Theseus, so I guess im decently close
took me 46 runs to get my first win
It took me 106 runs to get my first win...
(and then another 10 runs after to get my second, IIRC)
Final boss is a hard boss fight!
congrats on completing it then 
TBH, I think most of the time I was dying in Elysium or to ||those bloody poison satyrs||.
now unlock ||extremer measures|| and make him fight you for real
Oh, gods, this was ages ago and I never managed to get anywhere with ||any real heat applied|| 🙂
I started using broken spear everytime I entered styx for a LOOOOOOOOONG time because of that
prob the reason of alot of my early wins
my bad I didn't read and thought you just cleared your first run. congrats, still.
My first win was ares on special zag aspect shield cheese
Shield cheese got my to my first encounter with ||Hades||, but the ||second phase|| killed me very very quickly.
classic
my first win was zag rail with zeus boons. turns out having a straight up gun helped a lot
zag shield best shield
also my first clear, still my fav shield aspect
Bro aspect ofhera is so awkward to use
Try rebinding cast to somewhere more convenient
Also use Aphrodite cast to one shot enemies
yeah aph cast is actually good on hera
What is considered as the all purpose mirror talent build?
Or if it's based on the Aspect, what mirror build is best for Aspect of Eris?
basically this but death defiance instead of stubborn defiance
you'd basically use this on ever aspect
the only difference would be gods' legacy instead of gods' pride for 1 or 2 builds
stygian or infernal soul is also aspect dependent
but apart from those specific aspects, stygian or infernal soul doesn't really matter
fiery presence over whatever the backstab damage talent is, damn
stygian gives better hermes odds for something good (and can give you bad news, which is bugged)
infernal can give you lightning rod, which is also really good
it's just a lot more consistent
backstabs are really only useful against bosses, and you dont really aim to get those
if you're relying on the occasional 50% more damage on bosses then there's an issue with the build
also hc
also not every weapon/aspect benefits from more backstab
like for example eris rail
the special can't backstab
a bullet backstab is 5 bonus damage
hera
if you take fiery, the special can hit for 75% more damage
what about hera
on hera shadow isnt going to greatly increase boss damage
even if you hit 100% backstabs
but fiery pets you not load a cast for some tart enemies
that's true
on hestia it makes bpoints easier
very few aspects can make the case for using shadow presence
if you want to maximize boss damage, then shadow would be decent on like hestia i guess
Hera backstabs are no joke but you need parting Shot
achilles can use shadow presence i guess but that's just because of the way you play achilles and not for maximum boss damage
It was the old strat used for speedrunning but Snow burst just became more appealing after a certain point and getting both is pretty unreliable so the switch to Fiery became better for the sake of breakpoints. Also Flurry Hera wasn’t always as appealing as it is now that helped too.
Noted. Thanks for the solid points.
Does Stygian Soul recovery remove the Cast ammo inside an enemy?
Just thinking of Boiling Blood applications
Nice
if you dont feel like upgrading stygian soul, you can still use infernal
that difference doesn't really matter 90% of the time
cast builds generally use infernal anyways and if you dont feel like switching your mirror ever then i recommend just using infernal
Does Infernal allow for multiple casts active at once?
Like for Dionysus or Ares' cast for example
yeah
So infernal is really a better one for burst damage
At the very least I want a cast ammo inside the boss
i mean you can do that with stygian just fine
dionysus and ares casts can't even lodge as well
Infernal sounds like the better default just because it applies better to non-lodging types
infernal is almost always better for cast builds
but if you're not going to build around it then stygian vs infernal doesn't matter at all
Thats why I'm just deciding on what I will default onto in case I get one of the better Cast boons
stygian gives you better odds to get better boons from hermes, which is the only reason it's good basically
tbf you should be deciding if you're going to build around the cast as soon as you start the run
or like before you start the run, when you're picking aspects
if I'm going Eris, I should just use cast for Boiling Blood lodging? Or are there any Cast Boons always worth getting no matter the run?
for every build that isn't cast centric, you use the cast for boiling blood
so for eris you'd just use it for boiling blood
electric shot is pog too
with global buff
its not worth going for in particular tho
there are some niche cases where you can get a good cast but most of the time it's just for boiling blood
since u would rather get jolted or a splitting prereq
Ok that means I'm avoiding non-lodging types
THE build I heard for Eris is Zeus attack, Artemis special, and get lucky with hammer giving Artillery and/or Rockets?
and tida dash
but any % modifier on the special can work fine as long as it isn't poseidon
oh yeah and tidal dash
and jolted
ideally you get 2/3 of those gods in tartarus
tdash higher priority than spec i believe
Poseidon dash?
How do you use it with gameplay of Eris kinda going in the face close to enemies for special buff?
if you're wondering why tdash, it's because it has big damage and the global boost from eris goes a long way
you kill them with the dash
everything in this game is a melee weapon
kinda
pretty much
the dash itself is like idk 100 is probably about right with enough poms
yeah let's just say ~100
75% boost from eris makes it kinda fat
Btw why Zeus shots? To make normals deal with mobs alongside the extra damage?
it's decent aoe
and also common zeus attack will give the same boost as an epic max damage aphrodite attack
not including the chain
Yeah I got jolted in a run. I can barely register the friendly fire cause too busy with Eris buff chore
jolted is hella strong
pom it like tdash
Tdash and Jolted boons are prio poms over normal and special?
zeus attack doesn't really need poms because jolted and tdash are going to be doing the heavy work
at the start it's fine to pom a bit if you dont have anything else to pom
kinda the reason why artemis special is preferred, because poms on that kinda suck and you're only using it for the crit
less things to pom but you'll still get good damage
also better dmg
yeah
because its 40-80 additive and 40 mult
will say that 1 pom on that is still pretty good tho, like ~30% or so? i remember it being pretty fat surprisingly
and mult stacks on eris buff
Opens up lightning rods if you have infernal soul!
Good safe way to have things die, and gets the nice eris boost
whats the best aspect for each weapon?
nem achilles hidden hera/hidden dem eris/hestia
yea
Imagine getting rocket cluster bomb and hazard bomb, would they stack?
i remember some Hammer boons do change the very nature of the normal or special that it looks like it'll never stack with the other ones that alternate the effects
Will shattered shackle give a boost to my attacks and specials if I want to use something in the cast slot?
Also are Hermes' boons by nature improve your basics without the chance to override other boon properties? So far that's what I keep seeing on him
yes
so in turn, my cast will be the only thing not getting a bonus?
yes
thanks
For Eris build, should I prioritize attack damage or special damage?
Generally attack. Special damage is good but not the first thing you look for and it's also pretty hamer reliant
i knew it
it depends if i ever get artillery or triple special
I'm basing it off of the payoff on Chaos boon
I guess I should just abuse God Mode for this normal save file
I plan on doing Hell Mode anyway
I mean if you abuse god mode on a normal file then switch to hell mode you'll probably need like 100 attempts to beat it
Hell mode is pretty tough
i read up on it
For starting out. And it's very restrictive
Well I meant like after I have fully completed everything in a normal save file and learned every ins and outs
I'm making a hell mode save file
Yea that makes more sense then
getting my ass handed down to me by redacted's 2nd phase
and it might just be me panic dashing out
and wasting my 2 dashes
Should spoiler the boss' name in this channel
Just remember that dash striking strips iframes
So if you ever panic atleast empty dash

like clicking dash with pauses?
No. Empty dashing just means dashing without pressing another action in the middle, because that transforms it into a dash strike and you're no longer invulnerable
ah
ok.....
so that's the part which is still present in Non-Hell mode
the invulnerability of the dash
That's present all the time
The part that gets disabled in hell mode is the invulnerability shield that pops up when you take a lot of damage continuously
oh the burst
yeah i misread
Dash strikes do not strip the iframes on delta
ok what part is abusable in delta?
So it is basically the safest option you can have
dash shooting?
Yea you can just dash strike endlessly
lemme try...
Unlike other weapons where you'l have to stop to actually dodge then resume attacking afterwards
Basically no downtime on damage when it comes to delta
Rocket or Cluster?
I can only choose one rightnow
Ok now i know how Rocket works
it makes for easier application of Eris buff although that does mean you either hug a wall or be close to your enemy
i don't mind the latter
got Tidal Dash
Oh yeah, for eris I find cluster easier. Guess it's a little late now.
indeed
Hopefully you can get both
Yeah, you get max (and almost always) 2 hammers a run, like Hermes, with the possibility of anvil or third hermes in the styx shop
i meant that it buffs his basics rather than apply a property
Hammer is for Arm
Hermes is for Zag
Sorta I guess
Yeah that works
He also shares the 2 boons per run rule with hammers + prioritized if you don't have them yet
Getting a nice hammer early can definitely help lot, but yeah, if you want to select a god it'll likely show later
Spread fire gaming
I want T.Dash and Rocket more than ever now
Triple Bomb or Cluter bomb?
Still the same run with spread fire?
new one
cluster
I know Cluster is better for mobs. And Triple Bomb is better for bosses or concentrated burst
but which one is generally better?
where did u learn that
Just from experience. I can just put 3 bombs in one area against the boss/miniboss