h1-for-new-players

[sweet brook]

Coin purse

[slate pecan]

kk!

at the first shop, it has eye of lamia, nemesis crest, and cyclops jerky. should i save for later in the run or buy something?

i bought the eye thats it tho

[modern briar]

that’s not a shop that’s a charon well

[slate pecan]

TECHNICALLY a shop of sorts

[modern briar]

yeah but shop is specifically charon’s shop, when you enter the doors with his face and a bag on it

[slate pecan]

oh hey theres a whole big shop now!
seein it for ma first time

lets seeee
hes selling darkness, food, and health up! what should i buy?

if i buy the food ill have enough to get the health up too! but darkness is also good

[coral yoke]

buy things if they're good for your run, don't if they're not 👍

unfortunately there is no hard and fast rule

[slate pecan]

im new to this BWAHHHGHHHH

health is probably best hmm

[coral yoke]

if ur just starting out I'd farm darkness like mad

because mirror will make future runs much easier

[slate pecan]

i see! ty for the advice!

[flint charm]

also new player here, this is 100% facts

currently grinding out for 2nd revive

reached asphodel boss for the 1st time earlier

[slate pecan]

wow i am stupid i thought the Dionysus boon was darkness

mm. it has Trippy Shot, but i dont really cast much

meh ill take it

wow. there was one chamber between Charon shops

[sweet brook]

are you in asphodel lmao

asphodel is extremely short

[slate pecan]

im at the uhhh beginning ish

i only have money for food so ill just take it lol

[sweet brook]

starts chamber 17, last combat is c22
so 6 potential combats, midshop is basically guaranteed so 5
super short biome

[slate pecan]

actually ill wait on health im doing pretty ok rn
ah i see

DAMN
died to meg

[eager glen]

it took me like 20 runs to find the shop in the lounge

[flint charm]

who is the god below hermes in the codex

[heavy anchor]

I remember when I always took health when it was an option

Now I use the just dodge lmao strategy

[grim juniper]

||demeter||

[woeful jewel]

I hate theseus with burning passion

[heavy anchor]

Don’t we all

[grim juniper]

he is made to be hated

[woeful jewel]

Good

[flint charm]

what's his unlock requirement? or is it purely unlucky that i haven't met him yet

[woeful jewel]

Not in dialogue, but in the fight itself

[leaden whale]

what weapon should i upgrade with titans blood

[woeful jewel]

You need to reach

[leaden whale]

i have 2

[flint charm]

oh

i see

[grim juniper]

i think you need to escape once (maybe just to reach final boss)

[leaden whale]

ok

[woeful jewel]

Demeter has some amazing boons though

I wish I could attach files so I can show you the boon that let me beat the game for the first time

[heavy anchor]

Is it the regen one

[woeful jewel]

No

I found myself doing better without it

[heavy anchor]

That one carried me through the first two clears

[slate pecan]

what do pomegranates do again

i see
should i pick health up over pom

[heavy anchor]

If you need help surviving probably health but idk because I’m not an epic gamer yet

[gray haven]

Depends on a lot of things.

If you're not sure what boons scale well with poms and all that, can never go wrong with more HP.

[woeful jewel]

Depends

Check if there are any boons worth upgrading before choosing

[slate pecan]

whats the exclamation point door marking represent

[grim juniper]

a room with a NPC

[heavy anchor]

npc rooms are cool

[slate pecan]

ooh
tempting, but the other door has darkness......

meh! npc time!

[grim juniper]

npc give you some bonus too

[heavy anchor]

sisyphus in tartarus gives a decent amount of darkness

the other ones give bonuses to things

that are pretty useful

[woeful jewel]

Very good I'd say

Gives you anything you could need

[heavy anchor]

and if you're struggling patroclus is cool

[slate pecan]

yeye it was sisyphus

i have 4 keys now, wondering if i should unlock the shield or trident

mmmm
ok its splatfest break time

[heavy anchor]

shield is able to block basically everything if you face toward it for some reason

but spear is better for murdering things i think

also it has more range

why is shield just able to block like the majority of attacks

[slow garnet]

Can I change weapons? I would like a spear

[heavy anchor]

you unlock them all later with keys

then you can switch between the ones you have whenever you want

[fading marten]

Is there a List that says Which Boons Cancel Future Boons...?
Like "Special Does Doom"
Would cancel "Special Does Charm" for future boons...?

So.. Draining Cutter would Cancel future Doom-boons for Specials...? ( Draining Cutter : Special restores 2% health if kills)

[sweet brook]

Those are different things

[fading marten]

Right

[sweet brook]

Some hammers won't let you get certain other hammers

But they don't affect boon choices

[fading marten]

What about Swift Flourish..? (Special is Faster)

[sweet brook]

That's also separate

[fading marten]

Thank you 😎 is these caveats that were making me wonder

[grim juniper]

you can have an offer to have a boon that replace a previous boon, but that's clearly shown when you can pick it

[sweet brook]

Basically no boons will lock you out of getting other boons

Except Duo boons

[fading marten]

I think you both have answered my questions in the past. I appreciate your help 😎👍🏻

[woeful jewel]

Ares my beloved

[unique forge]

Basically ||chaos|| boons, Daedalus hammer, normal boons, and hermes boons are all seperate things

[flint charm]

the ||chaos|| and hermes boons being seperate from the "normal" boons is very good to know

[heavy anchor]

wait wha the charged spear attack on the hidden aspect has lifesteal?

huh

[polar isle]

||I JUST STOLE FROM CHARON||

[heavy anchor]

zamn

[polar isle]

||CHARON BOSS FIGHT??||

||OMG I GOT A 20% DISCOUNT||

[woeful jewel]

My fight with ||hades|| lasted so long his theme is welded to my brain

[slate pecan]

whats the door with a skull (i think?) on a bag represent

oh its charons

[polar isle]

||LERNIE||

[polar isle]

i escaped for the second time!!

[restive briar]

ayyy

[slate pecan]

hmmmm....the hypnos keepsake is pretty good, but who should i give a nectar next?

[polar isle]

cerberus

btw how do i give an npc ||ambrosia||?

[heavy anchor]

you have to give ||6 nectar||

||then they give you a quest or smth||

im just gonna spoiler that in case it actually is a spoiler

then when you complete it you can giv

[polar isle]

i did give nyx 6 nectar

so i just have to wait until she ||gives me a quest||?

yes

i dont wanna look on the wiki in fear of spoilers

[slate pecan]

gotcha!

i feel like the window for the power shot on the bow is too short

[final dune]

it's absolutely infuriating that my number of gemstones now seems doomed to end in a 9 or a 4

[slate pecan]

RAH

i like the protection of the shield but i feel like in the ||second area, the one with the fire,|| its too bulky
||i keep ending up in the lava because there isnt a ton of room to move around sometimes||

[ruby nymph]

How many times do I have to beat the final boss to actually get the ending?

[slate pecan]

amazing thank you

[ruby nymph]

Don't touch the lava

[polar isle]

47 escape attempts and ive only gotten out twice 😭

[pallid cypress]

||just beat her a number of times and it should progress||

[rare crest]

do you only get the fourth aspect after u buy the third?

[polar isle]

||'her? wdym her...||

[final dune]

i now have 20 titan blood, i've maxed hestia and ||arthur||, is chiron a good next option?

[slate pecan]

how many chambers are there?

[final dune]

you get to 16 in tartar sauce, 25 in assfoothell, 37 in eliesium and variable in last

you can check by opening boon menu

[slate pecan]

kewlll
so 78 + a variable

[final dune]

no

37 and variable

it adds up over the run

it doesn't reset in between

[slate pecan]

16 plus 25 plus 37 is 78
is that not adding it up

[final dune]

lord almighty 78 would be amazing for side hustle

no

like

you get to 16 in tartar sauce

and then 17-25 in assfoothell

[slate pecan]

ohhh wait i get it

[final dune]

and then 26-37 in eliesium

[slate pecan]

so 37 in total plus the variable

[final dune]

that's how you plan for what rewards you want coming up to bosses

some of those, though, like the pre-boss and boss rooms aren't combat rooms

oh nvm it's 15 for tartarus

but for instance, if you're in chamber 12, you know your next chamber is a non-combat chamber with either just the reward or a shop, so you budget accordingly

[slate pecan]

i see, thx!
is there like. an average number for the variable rooms?

[final dune]

so essentially

there's 5 shoot-offs

each with

idk 4? chambers

and you can have to do between 2 and 5 of them

depending on your luck

[slate pecan]

damn ghats easier than i thought
thought it was gonna b a total of 100 or something LMAO

[final dune]

oh yeah no

[slate pecan]

so a max cap of 42 rooms then....thats not so bad

[final dune]

farthest number i've had is 72

[slate pecan]

oh wait
you mean 5 total shoot offs and then like 4 x the 5 shootoffs
ok thats a littllllle worse owie

[final dune]

but

for those

most of the shoot off rooms are tiny except the last one

as in 3 second clear each tiny

[slate pecan]

zamn

[final dune]

actually it might be 5 each

idk

or maybe 6

i don't count

6 would make sense

cause 37+30+3

comes out to 73 which is close enough to 72 i guess

[slate pecan]

inch resting

but still not TOO bad....

so lets say 5 shoot offs with 6 rooms
5 x 6 is 30
whered the 3 come from

[final dune]

like

the pre chamber

then the main lobby thing

then the boss

oh

the pre chamber is included in elysium

that's why it's 72

[slate pecan]

ohhhh gotcha
ty ty

[final dune]

it all becomes manageable

holy wow

i just filled up my pool with all 4 of the gods i want in tartarus

this better be the run of a lifetime

i had aim at cursor on

wow

good run

[woeful jewel]

Tips for ||hades||? I'm mad inconsistent with his fight

[sweet brook]

collection of tips Nyaanyaa Mewmew wrote for the final boss fight: https://docs.google.com/document/d/137Vqe-8fvStMJ_HMlBKWwq3SVdoOED0lOpBBSmgGwtQ/edit

[woeful jewel]

It's mostly the spin attack that screws me over

The rest is just chip damage that adds up

[final dune]

healthhhh

[sweet brook]

learning to dodge helps more than stacking hp

[final dune]

i bat (past perfect of "beat", naturally) him by healthhhh

if it's the spin attacks i find that using the spacebar is quite helpful

[woeful jewel]

Just stack death defiances

[pallid cypress]

time the dodge well, its a bit after the white that u gotta dodge, not instantly

[woeful jewel]

I have fought him a few times but its still confusing, I suppose it's only a matter of practice

[twin tide]

is it a good idea to reset the mioror to get more lives\

[woeful jewel]

Just play a few more runs and afford it

[twin tide]

its 1k

[woeful jewel]

That way you don't waste keyes and get more resources in the process

[twin tide]

i already have all the weapons

[woeful jewel]

You can use Skelly's keepsake as a discount death defiance

It's not even that big a discount, at epic rarity that thing recovers you 100 hp

Nothing to scoff at

[woeful jewel]

See? I absolutely dominated him in this attempt

[unique forge]

||iirc dashing opposite the direction he lunges when he spins completely negates the damage ||
||or just dash out sideways, your choice||

[gray haven]

Empty dashes are completely invincible for the duration, so it doesn't matter in which direction you dash. Just the timing needs to be right.

Also, anything about the final boss including attacks are spoilers here, so you'd wanna use spoiler tags.

[fair pagoda]

Hey all. New hades player here.. trying to unlock the guan yu blade aspect… I upgraded five other weapons and got the star ! quest from archilles but not sure what to do after that… is it just an over time after runs?

[pallid cypress]

pins in #h1-story-discussion

[fair pagoda]

Thanks!

[pallid cypress]

yw!

[fair pagoda]

What’s the faded list..

I think I’ve done the rest, not sure if it has to be after I got the initial quest prompt from him though

[pallid cypress]

||u buy it from contractor, its like a list of things u can choose to do and get rewards||

[fair pagoda]

||Oh the add on in the bedroom?||

[pallid cypress]

ye

[fair pagoda]

Gotcha so then wonder what I’m missing.. cause I’ve got all those things

[pallid cypress]

uhm

[fair pagoda]

Maybe I just need to wait for him to reappear.

[pallid cypress]

go up to the weapon

and maybe there is something that says ||reveal||

[fair pagoda]

Yeah I have the other ones for the sword. Just not the fourth. I’ll doubt check everything and count my upgrades to ensure I’m right after this run.

[pallid cypress]

alright! all of the 4th are gatekeept by the spear so ye

[fair pagoda]

Oh crap. I might have it.

For some reason I was stuck on thinking it was a sword not spear lol

Will check after

[steel torrent]

Is this game easy to learn?

[fair pagoda]

Yah I had it.. lol woops.

I think so! @steel torrent there is a lot that opens up but you could just play it and not worry about all the details and unlock stuff over time just by playing.

[steel torrent]

Ty ty I buy it on xbox downloading it now

[void fern]

Poggers

[steel torrent]

?

[void fern]

"Nice" ?

"Great" ?

[steel torrent]

Cool 😎

Ty ty

https://fextralife.com/hades-getting-started-guide-things-i-wish-i-knew-before-i-played/

[slate pecan]

whatup gamers its time for some more hades

[slate pecan]

are ||chaos|| boons usually worth the health loss

[sweet brook]

always

assuming you get a good buff out of it

[leaden whale]

yes they're great

[sweet brook]

also hp loss is only temporary you'll get it back

[slate pecan]

kayy

[sweet brook]

which is also part of the reason why chthonic vitality is better

than dark regen

[leaden whale]

i don't have an immediate need for ambrosia (im like 20/30h in) rn, is it okay to exchange them for titan's blood?

[errant vector]

I love them, they are so good, most of the time, and u will be able to || reroll ||later

[errant vector]

Don't do it, if u want to max out ppl , there's certain stuff u can unlock from some characters that help in game

Never trade blood ambrosia and diamonds if u plan to unlock all the stuff

Or u'll have a longer grind time later

[leaden whale]

gotcha, ive only done it twice, wont do it again

[errant vector]

Blood is way easyer to farm that ambrosia , diamonds also

Just do boss 1 and 4 and u can use the mirror perk that gives 5% Of ur gold after each zone to buy the 1200g blood, so u can get 2-3 titan blood per run

Each heat lvl will get u another set of bounty rewards ( blood diamond ambrosia)

And Charon shop a diamond or blood

[leaden whale]

yeah ive been prioritizing saving coin and skipping charon so i can purchase the blood/diamond

[errant vector]

I get it every run even when I shop from Charon, usualy I end up in Styx whitout cleaning any room whit 1200-1500 coin

Just take the 150g cheapsake early in zone 1 or 2, and look at Hermes for the 10coin room boon( not necessary) once in in zone 2

[slate pecan]

dash-deflect is so cracked

[errant vector]

Always has been

Poseidon dash can also solo Cary runs whitout using weapons

@leaden whale if u don't care about characters and dialogues over 7 heart u need like 60 + ambrosia

Just for certain unlocks

[leaden whale]

9 heat gauges each weapon

[slate pecan]

beat ||bone hydra|| my first try hell yeaaaaaaaaaah

didnt even have to revive

tysm dash deflect

agh damn ||butterfly ball|| got me

should i carry the collar or the lucky tooth

[proud abyss]

Personally, I like the tooth. Another revive is just always nifty.

[slate pecan]

just met ||eurydice||! wonder what i should pick

[humble kiln]

ime i go for current boon upgraded rarity when i’ve already got the boons i want for my build, and future boons upgraded rarity if i don’t

i don’t really like the pom upgrade since you can find poms fairly easily

[slate pecan]

||THESEUS AND MINOTAUR AAARGH||

[humble kiln]

||ah yes the himbo boss battle||

[distant bronze]

||theseus can't be a himbo he's not nice enough||

||himbos are buff, kind, and dumb. theseus hits two of those boxes, buff and dumb. he's just a jock, not a himbo||

[ruby nymph]

Hey is their a way to check how many times I've escaped?

[rare crest]

do u die if u lose your bet with thanatos?

[viscid notch]

They are displayed on the victory screen, you can also check in the admin chamber

[viscid notch]

Do you mean when you face off to see who gets more kills? No, if you lose you get nothing, if you win you get a Centaur heart

[leaden whale]

wow i hate the bracer so much

how do you play it im so confused

[sweet brook]

myrmidon bracer?

it's not great

[leaden whale]

yeah i cant get a feel for it

[sweet brook]

keepsake rotation in the game is generally god -> god -> defense/utility -> defense/utility

bracer is just never used

[slate pecan]

aight its gamer time again

i wanna see if i can escape b4 school starts on the 17th >:3

[final dune]

that's a strange way to spell "feather duster x4"

[sweet brook]

TRUE

[coral yoke]

bracer sucks

[final dune]

i'd like to revoke my proclamation of the bow's boringness

chiron is awesome

[slate pecan]

cant believes i lose both my revives for this run to meg ffs

off my game!

[distant bronze]

I'm unrevoking their rights chiron slaps

[slate pecan]

blehhhg i gotta take a break

[final dune]

L

[humble kiln]

i don’t care how good or not chiron is ever since i got lvl 10 drunken flourish on it i’ve been in love

[distant bronze]

dio chiron is so good. I got my best time on chiron iirc

[pallid cypress]

dio chiron is indeed very nice

[ruby nymph]

Let's go I beat it!!!

Get to hear these awesome credits!!

[pallid cypress]

nice!

[leaden whale]

holy i have it on heroic lv8 rn and its nutty

[sweet brook]

hangover with poms is really strong

it has no level drop off lmao

[leaden whale]

omg and low tolerance increases the stack by 3

[sweet brook]

try and get curse of vengeance from ares

make hangover tick faster from 0.5 to 0.35

you generally only need either or, but both is fun

[woeful jewel]

When do I get to unlock new weapons

I have beaten the game twice now but I still have just the sword, spear, shield and bow

[sweet brook]

have you unlocked them all with keys

once you do that do another run

and then another should pop up

[woeful jewel]

Oh alright, so all of them need to be unlocked first?

[sweet brook]

yeah

[woeful jewel]

I unlocked every weapon except the bow because the person I was in a call with at the time said it sucked

[sweet brook]

bow is great

they're just bad with bow

[woeful jewel]

I would also ask how to unlock the rooms in hades' house, but honestly I don't want to ruin myself the surprise if I eventually figure it out on my own

[sweet brook]

you'll figure it out on your own

one of them is a house contractor upgrade i believe? i dont remember

[woeful jewel]

I dont even know why I want other weapons knowing damn well I'm a spear main

Everyone likes to compliment the shield but it's not my thing

[sweet brook]

have you gotten charged shot before

on shield

[woeful jewel]

How come

Is that a daedalus boon?

[sweet brook]

yeah

part of the issue with shield is that it has a pretty low base damage

charged shot fixes that by making bull rushes into a shot that deals base 80 no matter how long you charge it

[woeful jewel]

Sounds like a lot to work around with to make a weapon worth it

[sweet brook]

charged shot is one of the best hammers in the game comparatively to other hammers

[sweet brook]

it's not a lot if it's just 1 hammer

granted yeah you have to get the right hammer

but at the same time spear is pretty hammer reliant to be good

[woeful jewel]

Yes but you need to first find a hammer and 2 pray that you get charged shot

[sweet brook]

also even without charged shot shield is still pretty solid due to blocking being busted

and bull rushes having full iframes throughout

[woeful jewel]

You might get it at the start, before theseus and asterius or never

[sweet brook]

a solid % from aphrodite atk makes it pretty good for just dash striking around

snappy blocking is always a plus to mitigate all damage from the front basically

could also treat it as an extra dash

[woeful jewel]

An epic ||frost strike|| got my through my first victory

Honestly, such an amazing boon

[sweet brook]

that's a spoiler btw

||demeter doesn't show up until you reach the surface||

and that's considered a spoiler here

but yeah it's pretty good

decent % damage and ||chill|| is pretty nice

[woeful jewel]

I got it to give me 104% damage

[sweet brook]

yeah that's about level 4

epic aphrodite at lvl 1 is 90-100% lol

at lvl 4 it'd do about 130% lol

for % boons, anything that isn't aphrodite is basically a cope pick lmao
you only ever take other % bonuses if you're comparing rare+ to common aphrodite basically

oh common aphrodite is on par with ||rare demeter|| lmao

[gray haven]

But has better pom scaling.

[graceful valley]

Hi, any Chinese fans here?

[leaden whale]

buh HE said it sucked. i like the bow

[pallid cypress]

every weapon is capable of doing the job, i used to hate the bow but not im a real fun

[tired canopy]

You can check my comments on victory boasting, Chinese version

[pallid cypress]

was gonna ask about this in the future but might aswell now, where do u get the modded stuff and what does it do? (can move to different chat if u want)

[viscid notch]

You can find the modpack on speedrun.com or in the speedrunning discord pins, it's a series of mods that aims to smooth out the rng to make runs more consistent, such as guaranteed 2 sack, 4 priority boons, and some qol stuff like showing the chamber number etc

[pallid cypress]

awesome ty!

[strange dune]

i am having a small difficulty with meg and melee weapons

any tips?

[void fern]

Get the timing right to dodge her most obvious attacks (dash, whip, aoe ring) and build your boons to make enough damage to wear her down before she kills you

[leaden whale]

damn trouts are op

[void fern]

(Your pfp is blursted, i love it. Furby fka twigs)

[leaden whale]

it's by @furbyliving on ig they also have furby bjork

[slow garnet]

Is God mode easy mode?

[gray haven]

Pretty much.

[slow garnet]

Does it disable achievements?

[gray haven]

No.

[heavy anchor]

wait wha i watched a ||63 heat|| video and they blocked the big death laser attack with shield

thats a thing?

[sweet brook]

yes

shield can block everything in the game

some enemies can hit through the shield if you're too close tho

or hit around at a certain angle

but baring random incidents, it will block literally everything

[heavy anchor]

zamn

[sweet brook]

also ||the boiling blood skulls hades throws at you, if you block it with a shield it gets rid of it completely. it wont cause the skull to drop to the ground like if you deflected it||

[heavy anchor]

thats pretty cool

[sweet brook]

shield kinda strong

[strange dune]

quetsion whats ||titan blood|| used for cause the trade shop has some good deals reagreding decor items

[sweet brook]

it's used to upgrade weapon aspects

dont ever trade away titan blood

you'll need a lot of it

[strange dune]

aspects?

i am too new

[sweet brook]

you'll figure it out once you unlock all the weapons

tldr

dont trade away titan blood

[strange dune]

i alr have all weapons

[sweet brook]

all 6?

[strange dune]

yes

[sweet brook]

did you just unlock it or did you do a run yet

[strange dune]

my first expense was to get them

you mean win?

[sweet brook]

no

[strange dune]

not even clse

i used all once

i think

[sweet brook]

once you unlock the rail, you have to do a run to "refresh" the house

and then at that point you should unlock aspects

[strange dune]

refresh house?

you mean decor?

[sweet brook]

when you do a run, it's like hitting refresh on a website
characters get dialogue and whatnot

[strange dune]

okay so you find those in runs

not at home

[sweet brook]

aspects??

[strange dune]

yes

[sweet brook]

that's in the courtyard

where your weapons are

you just have to do a run to unlock them because the game basically says "oh you unlocked all the weapons, now you can use aspects"

and it doesn't recognize that you did that before you do a run

[strange dune]

so go in a run

die and then i will find them?

[sweet brook]

well you said you already did a run once with every weapon

so you should already have them

[strange dune]

How am i supposed to think that is hould go on the weapon that i already selected

XD

and read sth

[sweet brook]

skelly has dialogue about aspects iirc

[strange dune]

he just mentioned about a the glow

yes

but didnt think of reading about each one

so each weapon has its own aspects?

[viscid notch]

Yes

[strange dune]

wellll i didnt know before so i have 1 wasted for 200 gems that helped me repair the cafeteria area or whatever that is

[viscid notch]

You need that work order anyway, for story reasons. It wont affect aspects or anything because they require Titan Blood to upgrade not gemstones

[strange dune]

i saw that i could get 1 from meg usually (cause i die a lot) and cosidering that i suck a lot at later floors i didnt think that they would be that rare
Best so far is 2nd

[viscid notch]

Yea you can get 1 from Meg for every weapon so 6 for now, the final boss also gives a Titan Blood. You’ll eventually get around to levelling up everything, it takes time to progress, upgrading your mirror and learning about the bosses and builds will help you get clears

[strange dune]

is there an area where you can train for those bosses as in freeplay?
Hollow knight logic

and avoid running the floors

[viscid notch]

You can use savestates

[strange dune]

savewhat?

i thought you cant save mid run

[viscid notch]

The game saves every room

At the start and at the end

You can use a savefile that last saved at the start of Meg for example. And just keep retrying it til you’re satisfied with your practice

But you need to have access to those savefiles so you cant do it on consoles and switch iirc

There isn’t an ingame feature to replay bosses individually like hk

[strange dune]

i ve done that in other games and i am in pc

so ig i could try

but for now i try to collect the things for my desk

so normal runs

or even to upgrade my keepsafe thingies

[viscid notch]

That is much better at this point generally

People usually resort to save states much much later

So it’s good to just keep progressing and unlocking stuff for now

[strange dune]

will i have a chance to equipe morethan one of those keepsafe later on?

yea i am still learning the abilities

and how good combos can be

[viscid notch]

No, but you can switch after each biome if you’ve bought that contractor upgrade

[strange dune]

yeah i got that upgrade

and i was hoping that those locked hearts was multiple slots

but i dont want to spoil myself that much of what they are

[viscid notch]

They are something interesting

To say the least

[strange dune]

thank you captain obvious

XD

[viscid notch]

Np

[woeful jewel]

The game leads me to think that ||bounties can make weapons stronger||

What is that all about

[slate finch]

bounties can't make weapons stronger, titan blood can

and hades just so happens to be giving out titan blood for bounties

[woeful jewel]

And how do I use this titan blood

[slate finch]

put them into the weapons

not really explained in-lore

[woeful jewel]

Yes, how do I do exactly that

[slate finch]

but in-game, just select the weapon, select the purple void that appears when you select a weapon, and go

[woeful jewel]

Well that isn't very intuitive now is it

But the game isn't to blame for my room temperature iq

[gray haven]

Err... That's a question for #h1-high-heat-strategies, this here is the new player channel lol.

[final dune]

oh

i mean

i feel like i'm a new player

ok

[sweet brook]

if you reached credits, you can get out of this channel tbh

[final dune]

oh

ok

[woeful jewel]

I checked and only the fists have purple void

Well the I have no idea what you are talking about

I am not yet blind so perhaps I haven't met the requirements

[coral yoke]

u need to unlock all the weps

[slate pecan]

just lost 3 of my revives on some random room in elysium not even a boss

smooth brain momence

rollin into the ||elysium stadium|| with no revives and at 1/3 health

[slate pecan]

ughhh if i keep getting defeated by ||theseus and minotaur|| i may have to turn on god mode -_-

[woeful jewel]

How are you approaching the fight?

Because I do have some tips of my own

[slate pecan]

ummmm
hmm
oh lemme hear em....pretty pls

[woeful jewel]

Alright, I imagine you focus entirely on asterius

Only after he is dead you go for theseus

[slate pecan]

oooh i see
i have been trying to prioritize him during the fight, hes def the harder one lol

[sweet brook]

focus down the bull first
try to keep a pillar between you and theseus so his spear throw doesn't hit you
otherwise be mindful of when he throws it
there's a sound and visual indicator for that
staying near the edges is optimal because if the bull wants to charge at you, you can lead him into the walls or pillars.

[woeful jewel]

For some more specific tips

When asterius charges at you, get near the wall and dash against him

That will make him do a sharp turn and slam against the wall

[slate pecan]

nice nice
ty for these tips yall

is there a certain weapon most optimal for the fight

ive been mainly using the shield

[sweet brook]

shield is good

all weapons work fine against it

[woeful jewel]

Asterius will often times go for a plunging attack after two swipes, so if you see him start the attack, stay away from him and when he finishes the second swipe dash into him, if your timing is sharp you will be standing behind him and can punish freely

If you see him go for a plunging attack out of nowhere though, it's safe to assume he is going for 3 consecutive plunges, so be on the look for that

[sweet brook]

when asterius jumps, he lands right in front of you btw
so the shield will block all damage from that

[woeful jewel]

Whichever you like best

I'm a diehard spear main so I can't speak for you

[sweet brook]

all weapons work fine

[woeful jewel]

Pretty balanced on that regard

Now, regarding theseus

[sweet brook]

well no, since some are easier than others
it's just that all will work at this point in the game

[woeful jewel]

The single most important thing you need to know is that he will ALWAYS walk away and leave his back exposed after an attack

Be it a spin or a spear throw

If you are in the methodical side of things, you can always stay away from him, wait for the spear throw, go back in to punish as he leaves his back open, back off again and repeat

[slate pecan]

oh gotcha

[sweet brook]

you can dash through the spin atk

will buy you more time to deal damage if you want to do that

[woeful jewel]

I believe that is apparent given that the dash has i-frames

This also applies to the boss following asterius and the other guy

[sweet brook]

i mean yeah but also most newer players dont realize that as an option

[woeful jewel]

I for one could not imagine how much worse the game would be if dashes didn't have iframes

[sweet brook]

saying it will make it obvious like "oh yeah i can dash through it because i wont take damage"

considering the mentality of newer players tends to be "run away and deal damage slowly"

also a reason why doom is really popular

and chaos aspect to that extent

[woeful jewel]

Hades is best enjoyed when you play it like a chimp on illegal substances

[slate pecan]

will remember this....
i think part of the reason i keep messing up is bc im so beat up by the time i get to the fight lol

those enemies in elysium w spears....i HATE them

[woeful jewel]

Me as a fellow spear enjoyer doesn't have to worry about such things

I can just outrange them

[slate pecan]

i like the range but the power of just being able to block everything.....too gud
but maybe ill try the spear in my next run

itd be neat if you could switch weapons between levels

[sweet brook]

charged shot on shield goes through shields lmao

you'd have to get that hammer ofc

but pierce and big damage

always fun

[woeful jewel]

If you rely on blocking you won't get better at the game

[sweet brook]

learning to block is actually useful late game lol

[slate pecan]

blehhhhhhhhhhhghfj
ok spear next time

[sweet brook]

relying on block isn't a crutch tbh

relying on ddash is tho lmao

[woeful jewel]

There is a difference between using it as a pseudo parry and having it up 24/7 to avoid all damage, and I believe that is what they are doing here

[sweet brook]

doesn't seem like it if they're taking too much damage before getting to heroes

[woeful jewel]

DoorDash isn't that bad man come on

[sweet brook]

lmao

i meant divine dash

[woeful jewel]

Wasn't that the Athena boon?

[sweet brook]

yeah

deflect dash

it is a good dash

[woeful jewel]

It's good, but relying on it too much is the equivalent of dashing into a wall

[sweet brook]

it's just that i've seen people start a run with it and end up with horrible builds because they're not forcing an important god at the start lol

[woeful jewel]

It's my go to dash honestly, just because dash boons as a whole are unappealing to me

Hermes doesn't count

[sweet brook]

tdash can delete styx with breaking wave

[woeful jewel]

I hate the temple of Styx with burning passion

I dont know why but it just feels like the most uneventful part of the game

[sweet brook]

tdash has good damage and wall slams add extra damage
breaking wave makes it do a lot more damage on wall slams

[woeful jewel]

Favorite keepsake?

[sweet brook]

that isn't a god keepsake?

acorn is a normie answer i feel like lmao

[woeful jewel]

Which one was it again, I just use the pierced butterfly

[sweet brook]

negate 5 hits from bosses

[woeful jewel]

I see

Interesting but I dont find it very appealing, after all the fountain after every boss can usually get me going pretty well

[sweet brook]

well that's why you only take it going into styx

or ely

ely if you're afraid of the boss fight anyways

general keepsake rotation is god -> god -> defense/utility -> defense/utility

[woeful jewel]

I also now took fondness of the cerberus keepsake

Trying to get it to epic

[sweet brook]

tooth is almost always better lol

[woeful jewel]

So I can use pierced butterfly for the entire run and switch it to the collar when entering styx

[sweet brook]

what's the point of using butterfly

you dont keep the bonus

once you take it off you lose it all

same with hermes plume btw

[woeful jewel]

I dont expect to get hit, it's a nice bonus all throughout the run up until styx

A 30% boost is nothing to scoff at I'd say

[sweet brook]

with a good build that you're in control of you can deal more damage

[slate pecan]

it seems that ultimately i am going to have to think in order to progress
my two brain cells arent prepared

[woeful jewel]

Make them work overtime

[slate pecan]

but NOT RIGHT NOW bc it is bedtime >:) gudnite

[vocal elm]

Do rarity boosts like ||Olympian Favor||, ||Eurydice's nectar||, ||yarn of aridane||, skull/hard encounter boons, charon's expensive boons in ||Styx|| also increase the chance of duo and legendary boons?

[sweet brook]

no

well

oly favor does not

eury nectar and yarn will

miniboss rooms actually lower your chance from 12% normally to 10%

[vocal elm]

wait what

huh.

[sweet brook]

lmao miniboss rooms give increased chances for rare and epic tho

[torpid abyss]

so im brand new started playing today and have beaten meg 3 times and i got a hammer upgrade for the spear and its insane

just turns my special into a shot that using athenas special upgrade becomes more damage as well as deflect and idk how far i could go but i feel invincible update on this run ive beat the bone dragon thing and the bull of minos build op: update 2 final update beat bull of minos 2nd time had theseus at like less than half but i had 22 hp so his spear on the return killed me

[woeful jewel]

Is the spear considered any good? Because lately run that I make with the spear is a run that I win

And I am fairly new to the game, I got it about a week ago

[polar isle]

i just escaped for the third time!! : D

[grim juniper]

congrats

[grim juniper]

it's not that good, but if you are good with it, it's what really matters

[woeful jewel]

Well im on a 3 win streak

And again, im not that good

[viscid notch]

All weapons are reasonably balanced and viable at this point for you.

[grim juniper]

it was always the weapon i had the most trouble with, but to each it's own.

[woeful jewel]

Not a fan of the other weapons

I have given each one of them a fair shot but none feel as good to use as the spear

All but the gun, I'm not even going to bother

[viscid notch]

Well you can just play whatever is fun for you. The weapons have a lot of depth to them and it takes quite a bit of knowledge to play and build them properly, it is expected they don’t feel good right away

[woeful jewel]

I can acknowledge the worth each of them have, it is evident the won't feel as good as the weapon I have been using since the beginning

Except the bow

That can burn in a fire

[slow garnet]

How can I go back to house of hades without dying?

[haughty fable]

Well, you can just select give up

But if you do so, you lose all your progress in the run

So, if you don't wanna lose all those darkness that you collected...

Well, guess it's death time

[leaden whale]

do i need to save up the diamonds for anything other than music after the work orders?

nvm i have a lot not unlocked

[grim juniper]

you will have some use of diamond that unlock with time (some work order that unlock for a quest for exemple), but you can still use them more freely than titan blood

[pallid cypress]

i felt the same way untill i unlocked some aspects, its rly strong tbh

[vocal elm]

|| https://imgur.com/a/qzd9iy2 ||

Any advice for getting more nectar?

I'm super starved for it

I don't even ||have all the keepsakes yet||

Should I be swapping off ||Dark Foresight even though it's good?||

[grim juniper]

mainly farm more runs, fish. And a Dionysus boon can also give you a nectar: Premium Vintage

[vocal elm]

ah, I didn't think of fish

I've been on a win streak and haven't been getting much nectar still so I was kinda unsure

[grim juniper]

yes, it's random and not that common.

and for fish: the ones in elysium are the one that give you nectar

[leaden whale]

How can I consistently deal with ||Hades spin attack?|| It's the one thing that kills my runs

[grim juniper]

a well timed dash to get some iframe

[leaden whale]

My bad

[vocal elm]

For eurydice, is ambrosia delight or pom porridge better if I'm happy with what I have

[stuck hare]

Does calisthenics program affect how much "shield" enemies have?

Thank you

[dark fog]

okay, on my first run I never got as far as I am now (which is not far at all) because I could only play on my brothers console.
But now I have unlocked ALL weapons and I'm collecting keepsakes like crazy and It's my first time at Asphodel.
My question for the "rest" of the game is - do I need to use ALL weapons at some point to really finish the game? I know I need it for the titan blood but..
I really suck at the mechanics for the gun-like weapon.... so is it neccessary for the progress of the game to use it or an I go through with ignoring this weapon?

[vocal elm]

Yes

[viscid notch]

You can ignore it, you wont be able to complete all prophecies but you'll get everything else in the story aside from like a few lines of dialogue. But I recommend you learn the gun, it's a very strong and fun weapon, you're missing out

[dark fog]

thanks!
I will use it eventually because I like learning new things and I want to explore the full game mechanic - but for me personally it's the hardest weapon to wield so far

[viscid notch]

You'll get the hang of it, you can watch how others play it or ask about the builds and dps rotation in #h1-builds-and-combat

[vocal elm]

uh, how do i tell if they scale badly or not

look up all my boons and try to figure it out?

Hera bow level 1, Rare Trippy shot level 2, Epic Athena's Aid, Common +1 Dash from Hermes, Common Artemis Attack

[viscid notch]

Would probably take poms if you're sure you're not taking Nectar

[vocal elm]

ah

[viscid notch]

On Hera you're focusing on your cast, your cast wants poms

Like 6-7 poms

It's more important than rarity at this point

You gamble on Ambrosia when you dont have many boons, so you have high odds of hitting what you want, and what you're hitting benefits atleast a little bit from rarity

Usually Ambrosia is just a fun play

[vocal elm]

wait does the game crashing just lose the run?

I thought it would just load from the last save

[slate pecan]

just unlocked the ||guantlet things||
the most short range weapon it seems

[woeful jewel]

But its special is so cool though

[vocal elm]

uh it was a styx room so not really

[vocal elm]

Should I just trade my ||ambrosia|| away for now? it seems I'll need a lot of nectar to get my first ||Companion||.

[restive briar]

https://prnt.sc/9KSB0MEaTsfa feelsbadman

any tips on eris mechanics

wdym lol

should i run into the special

i dont understand

melee?

i saw some dude reload after every one shot

instead of full auto

and never ran into his special

50 heat or something

one shotting everything

oh youre right

[vast axle]

smh

[rare crest]

good build for dionysus boons?

[polar isle]

FOURTH CLEAR LETS GOOOOO THAT WAS SO INTENSE

[restive briar]

lmfao

[polar isle]

YESSSS FIFTH CLEAR I GOT TWO CLEARS TODAY!!

[pastel mica]

Nice

[slate pecan]

gonna start another run wish me luck with ||theseus and asterius||. god

[steep musk]

Good luck!!

[steep musk]

you could always do drunken fists! take talos aspect if you have it, put hangover on attack, and festive fog if you want

[slate pecan]

I BEAT THEM LETS GOOOOOO

is it worth it to ||go thru all the chambers to get coins and rewards even after youve fed cerberus and made him leave the pathway||

[pallid cypress]

thats entirely up to you, but usually id say no if u dont have the healthy to spare to beat final boss

[slate pecan]

hmm
lemme check how much i have
i do know i only have 1 revive left Lol

soooo i probs should just move on

not terrible, 159/210

any tips for fighting ||presumably hades himself|| b4 i go into this?

[pallid cypress]

||dont dash too soon with the swing, avoid getting boiling blood (: ||

gl

[slate pecan]

tyyyy
ill do it when i wake up tho cuz it is Late gn gn

[coral yoke]

keep in mind dashing has full iframes while dash attacking has none

[woeful jewel]

I might have given some false advice the other time, fighting them again I realized some kd the things I said were wrong

Quick correction, asterius can go for a plunging attack out of nowhere, but that doesn't mean it will always be a three hit combo

And when I said theseus will always turn his back on you after every attack, that was a lie, that only applies to the spear throw, not the spin

So try to bait out the spear throw

[pallid cypress]

can attack/finish fight sooner with the spin attack

[woeful jewel]

Yes, but the spear throw is the safest option

[polar isle]

6th clear yesss

[viscid notch]

It’s decent sometimes, never really good because the damage isn’t all that great

[gray haven]

That boon is a spoiler here btw.

[leaden whale]

I just finished a run with extreme measures but I didn't get the Champion Of Elysium achievement?

Does it need to be maxed out?

[slate pecan]

got defeated by ||hades|| but thats abt what i expected
the real issue is getting past frickin elysium again sheesh

[polar isle]

elysium is tough

[gray haven]

You did it once, you can do it again.

[compact hare]

It has to be extreme measures 3

[leaden whale]

I see

[slate pecan]

ok at ||styx||, should i buy a health up or a boon

[grim juniper]

that depends on what you can expect to gain from that boon (so what god, and what boon you already have), and if you are feeling you are too low on health

[slate pecan]

theres a hermes one for 500, a zeus one for 450, and an aphrodite for 150
if i get aphrodites i can get a pom too (dw i already got the health from the cash in the chambers)

what boons i already have? gimme a min or two

ok theres too many to list lol
im using the bow if that matters any

[grim juniper]

the best for you is to look at what boon you can expect to get, and see the one that would be the more usefull; it's hard to give a good answer without having the detail of what you can get

[pallid cypress]

can u screenshot?

[slate pecan]

oh yeah i can
gimme a min

i cant send pics here tho

[sweet brook]

image link

[slate pecan]

ahh gotcha
aight brb while i grt that pic

aight uhh
http://192.168.0.1/index.html does this link work

oop it doesnt

hold on agaib

https://imgur.com/a/D87mzzm

there
sorry for the holdup im playing on switch

[sweet brook]

did you already get the sack in styx

[slate pecan]

yup

[sweet brook]

you dont have static discharge?

[grim juniper]

you don't have anything on your special, and that can make a big part of bow damage, i would pick something to fill that

[sweet brook]

what

bow special is useless unless it's chiron

there's 2 options you can take here

[slate pecan]

ive been mainly focusing on attack

[sweet brook]

1. take zeus, maybe get smoldering air or static discharge
2. take pom, hopefully pom the call/attack, then buy aphrodite and hope for smoldering air

[slate pecan]

oooh....two options

hmmgmnm

[sweet brook]

wait hold on

static discharge kinda pointless if it's on the cast

and going into final fight

does lightning reflexes open discharge actually

ah jolted good then

[slate pecan]

so what should i do?

pom and aphrodite?

[sweet brook]

i would do that
reason i said pom first is because you might get junk out of aphrodite and you dont want to pom that

[slate pecan]

i see
aight, here goes!

its giving me 3 options to upgrade
elec shot, bronze skin, and clouded judgement

[sweet brook]

clouded judgement is more damage after call or something?

wait no

god call charges faster when taking damage?

[viscid notch]

Yes

[sweet brook]

prob that either way tho, but they're all pretty mid

[viscid notch]

And when dealing damage

[sweet brook]

oh neat

[viscid notch]

I think atleast

[sweet brook]

one of those two lmao

either way clouded judgement is prob the better choice

[slate pecan]

kk

no smouldering air off aphrodite unfortunately
heartbreak flourish, different league, empty inside

[sweet brook]

what does empty inside do again

[slate pecan]

weak effects have longer duration

[sweet brook]

that i guess then

other two aren't great here

[slate pecan]

BWAH
got a bit of bad luck it seems
oh whale lets go

[pallid cypress]

gl

[slate pecan]

tyy

any tips before i head in?

[viscid notch]

Different League is better

[sweet brook]

dont get hit

oh is it

[viscid notch]

Empty Inside opens the Legendary

Which competes for the same slot as Smoldering Air

And other duos

[pallid cypress]

how do u guys know what opens stuff up?

[viscid notch]

I played for like 3 hours

[sweet brook]

well this is last boon before final fight

so like it doesn't really matter what opens up what at that point, it's just what's useful

[sweet brook]

a couple hundred hours

[viscid notch]

Yea I'm not keeping up with the run idk lol

[sweet brook]

fair

[pallid cypress]

but like, is there some guide for that or?

[viscid notch]

You can find info about boons on the wiki or the codex

[sweet brook]

yeah

the guide is your codex lol

[slate pecan]

alright im goin in

[pallid cypress]

yeah ik

[modern briar]

It’s just codex stuff

[pallid cypress]

just didnt c anything of the legendary ig, will look it up next time

i know (:

[slate pecan]

dang got beat again
but i got to ||his second health bar|| thats progress!

aaaand i maxed out my revives so

aight new run
first boon is athena

oooog dash deflect is so tempting
but if im leaning into attack i should go attack deflect right?

gotcha

[sweet brook]

which weapon is this

starting dash could hinder your build a good bit

[slate pecan]

bow

too late now tho
dio up next, time for drunken strike

artemis time
deadly flourish, artemis aid, pressure points

probably aid? or pressure instead

chose aid
athena now with divine flourish, blinding flash, holy shield

flash ig

||demeter|| time
||crystal beam, frozen touch, nourished soul||

[slate pecan]

aight should i pick a boon from ||demeter|| or hermes considering i already have a boon from the former

eh ill go w hermes

[tranquil stream]

gotta go fast!

[slate pecan]

i only have quick recovery rn

at 2 gates should i get sum more health or another hermes boon
i have refreshinf nectar active so i could use it on that or a dif boon later down the road

in elysium now btw

[viscid notch]

Probably take the Hermes

Try to get dashes

Or hyper sprint

[slate pecan]

kay

swift flourish, greater haste, side hustle

mleh

[viscid notch]

Sad options unfortunately

I’d likely take greater haste

Not sure if you can roll it but I’m assuming not

[slate pecan]

nope
took it

[coral yoke]

special speed is weapon dependent

[slate pecan]

next up money or artemis boon but i have to go against a boss (likely ||asterius||)

aighty then
i h8 him but ill do it for the boon

donee

deadly flourish, hide breaker, support fee

goin w support fire

next up: pom or artemis/dion duo

[coral yoke]

you need a lot of context for choices like that

[slate pecan]

alrighty umm
yknow i was gonna send a pic of all my boons but i am super lazy rn so ill just pick pom since i havent gotten one yet anyway

oh dang i got a duo from Athena and Dion

[coral yoke]

poms can be more important than extra boons sometimes, especially if your main dps is a flat damage source

[polar isle]

going into the final boss with only 1 death defiance 😭

noooooo i died

why are the twin fists so hard to use

[sweet brook]

Melee is just rough

[polar isle]

its the only weapon i havent escaped with yet

[heavy anchor]

melee final boss is pretty difficult i would say

especially for a beginner

because most of the attacks are close range and reading attacks is kinda hard when you start out

[slate pecan]

playing "fly octo fly" while fighting ||hades||

[sullen imp]

does rama bow have a dash-strike? i know dash striking makes the charge quicker, but is that considered 'dash-strike' by the game? I have a chaos boon right now and idk if it'll work with it

[slate pecan]

ughhhh ||hades|| second phase sucksss
so hard
anyway how do i unlock the uhhh weapons upgrade thing? with the titans blood
the option to do so hasnt shown up for me

[pastel mica]

There may be some dialogue RNG in it (not 100%), but I think you need to unlock all of the weapons before titan blood upgrades become available

If you're unlocking new weapons as they appear and doing runs you should be good

2nd phase gets easier as you get more familiar with everything, don't worry

[slate pecan]

ty ty

[slate pecan]

just had the worst elysium boss fight ever
managed to pass but i lost all my revives and almost all my health

have to switch out my keepsake now
cant use egg or tooth, what do

collar for health, acorn for final boss, or coin purse for charons shop?

[sweet brook]

acorn

collar denies like

1.5 hits from the final boss or something idk

acorn denies 5

also you have no DDs left

[slate pecan]

tru
acorn it is

[sweet brook]

collar can technically give more hp than tooth if you have 3 DDs left

[slate pecan]

noted

made it thru the chambers without dying Somehow
final boss here i come

[ancient radish]

which keepsakes are just all around good, im very new and only have like 4

[opaque scroll]

Acorn, Skully's keepsake, Collar and Hypno's keepsake

[slate pecan]

bluhh he got me again
oh well
i really just needed an opportunity to test out this ||titan blood||

[sweet brook]

ngl, you only need acorn and tooth out of those 4

collar is situationally better than tooth, and purse is hardly ever gonna get used by newer players looking to clear runs at the start

[slate pecan]

i feel collar is good for ultra beginners
like first couple hours ish maybe

[sweet brook]

later when they get better at the game, it'll open up as an option, but generally not great atm

[sweet brook]

tooth is gonna be better still

god keepsakes are more important anyways

[opaque scroll]

True.

[slate pecan]

new run time. egg or owl pendant

also, i have all the weapons now i think? theres 6 right? i still dunno how to use the ||titan blood||

[opaque scroll]

Just save em, it'll unlock later

Also, Egg for fun. Owl for practicality

[slate pecan]

bwahhh but ive already fought ||hades|| like 3 times now and Lost so i really wanna get another advantage over him

[sweet brook]

Did you just unlock rail

[slate pecan]

yup

[sweet brook]

After your next run you can use titan blood

So you can immediately die or just try again

[slate pecan]

ah gotcha
do i gotta take it for a spin

[sweet brook]

Nope

[slate pecan]

nice ty

[sweet brook]

You can probably beat the whole game without touching rail lmao

Max everything too but it'd take a bit longer

[slate pecan]

aight uhh
time for first boss. hermes or poseidon

i have divine strike, triple shot, flayed eclipse, true shot, and mistral dash

and using bow

[modern briar]

hermes

I don’t think there is anything here that poseidon can give you that is in any way helpful

aside from maybe his call or like

sunken treasure

[slate pecan]

i see, thx

should i switch out athenas keepsake now that im in asphodel

[modern briar]

Well yes the forced athena boon only works on the first athena boon you take

[slate pecan]

ohh right
aight dif keepsake

yikes i need to give out more nectars to the gods
poseidon or ares then

[sweet brook]

neither gods are useful here ngl lmao

poseidon probably

if you're just giving out nectar

pos tends to be used more than ares

[slate pecan]

owie
i cooould pick up egg instead

[pastel mica]

might just wanna see who shows up if you're giving out nectar but agree neither seem super good but poseidon over ares

[sweet brook]

battle rage from ares is the only useful thing i think

and hydraulic might from pos

egg isn't great either since it's likely to be useless

[pastel mica]

keeping athena isn't useless if she's already in your pool and that's all you've got, at least her boons will be slightly rarer

[slate pecan]

hmmm
gonna go w pos

[pastel mica]

usually you wouldn't keep a god keepsake like that but your choices seem limited

[slate pecan]

aight cleared asph
break time while my switch charges

[opaque scroll]

Nice.

[slate pecan]

ty ty
ok break times over lets hop back to it

[slate pecan]

aight guys found the sack, and i have 300 coins to spend at charons
lets see hereeeee

i dont wanna go back in the tunnels so this is all i got

i can buy 1 pom orrr i can buy 2 boons, athena and ||demeter||

[pastel mica]

It depends on what you're looking for, and how confident you are that the poms will pick boons you actually want to level up, if you have your codex upgraded you can use it to see which boons you can get from either god

gl on your fight

[slate pecan]

thank youu
i do Not have my codex leveled up enough for that methinks

ill just pick boons. play it safe

got stubborn roots from athena LETS GOOOOOOO

[pastel mica]

Nice that's a great duo when learning the upcoming fight, looks like your choice worked out

[slate pecan]

eeeeeee
aight its time

damn, again

buuuut i still made plenty a progress
made it a good chunk of the way thru ||his second phase||

titan blood time tho :3

is the ||fishing rod|| worth the diamond

[pastel mica]

Yeah, it'll be used indefinitely and pay you back in other resources

[slate pecan]

very nice

[eternal warren]

Most things from the contractor (apart from decor and music stand) are worth buying when you can

[slate pecan]

how do i use this thing
or where

[pastel mica]

You'll see glowing spots (accompanied with a sound cue) randomly during your runs, if you approach them you'll get a prompt

[slate pecan]

i see, ty
aight should i pick zeus or dion at charons shop
using bow, attack focused

should i send my build
def not complete yet but

[pastel mica]

Neither are good for attack for zag bow, zeus call would go well with aphrodite attack if you can get her later though, or you can put him on special

I wouoldn't buy either tbh though

[slate pecan]

shall take that advice

[pastel mica]

zeus is more to get a duo towards the end, smoldering air, than he is useful on his own for zag bow

[slate pecan]

is Parting Shot any good?

[sweet brook]

nope

it's like

very situational i guess

[slate pecan]

thought so
was kinda side-eyeing it after reading the description

[sweet brook]

only good with phalanx shot because the hitbox on it is so big it can backstab

but like

you would never go for the duo

even on hera or achilles

on hera, crush shot is just better

and on achilles, lightning phalanx is better

because you already have a huge % additive from the gimmick, and yeah sure more % is always welcome, but lightning phalanx allowing it to hit multiple targets is more valuable at that point

[slate pecan]

i havent even met hera yet LOL
at the next shop, buy a pos boon or save?

mmm
ill save

[slate pecan]

at another shop in elys
should i get an artemis boon

mmmm nah
more saving

ok at the shop before elys boss fight
should i pick up an aphrodite boon

oh shoot athena aphrodite duo

just parting shot tho. ew

wow these all suck yikes

going crazy w hyper sprint + support arrow + dash deflect
just absolutely blitzing and causing chaos

buuuut its late and my switch needs to charge again

[gray haven]

It's great for Crush Shot or Phalanx Shot builds on Poseidon Aspect or Achilles Aspect. It's an immediate +85% backstab damage for your Casts and gives you more scaling options from Wells of Charon and Master Chaos.

Since now any bonus backstab damage you get will affect your Cast.

And Blinding Flash can give you another +50~75% backstab damage that's pommable.

[viscid notch]

Where is the 85% coming from

[pastel mica]

I'm guessing its the %50 from mirror along with the 35% bonus bs damage that parting shot applies

[viscid notch]

Shadow Presence only applies to your Attack and Special, the Cast is unaffected

[pastel mica]

Right, but isn't that what parting shot's whole thing is? It applies any backstab bonuses to the cast? Or am I misreading it?

[viscid notch]

Yes, but that has nothing to do with Shadow Presence. Parting Shot bonus is nowhere near 85%, it's 35%

[pastel mica]

I guess the text is just confusing then. The parting shot duo boon in-game reads: your cast gains any bonuses you have on striking foes from behind, and additionally gives a bonus of 25% backstab damage to the cast (so I guess not 35), which to me always indicated it would apply existing bonuses like shadow presence + the bonus backstab damage

So it just applies the 25% and like, maybe chaos boons that increase backstab damage? Or not even those?

[gray haven]

35 + 50 is 85.

If you're doing a Crush Shot build on Poseidon, Cast doesn't benefit from Fiery anyway, so you can pick Shadow and get a decent chunk of bonus damage if you get Parting Shot.

[acoustic garnet]

should I trade amborsia for titan blood?

seems like I get more benefits from having blood than ambrosia

[leaden whale]

[modern briar]

if you want

Titan blood will be useful now, ambrosia is useful later

[pallid cypress]

ull end up earning more titan blood then ambrosia in future so not worth in my opinion

[gray haven]

Errr.... Parting Shot makes all backstab damage apply to Cast.