#h1-for-new-players

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sullen yew
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I had a question pop up in my mind: If you can get one titan's blood per weapon, doesn't that mean you are limited to 6?

hushed cape
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Yes but actually no

sullen yew
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Can you get more after you beat Hades?

sweet brook
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yes

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the game will explain how to get more after your first clear

sullen yew
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Oh thanks

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Another thing, I started recently and only managed to get to Hades twice, my "strategy" is to get Athena's call so I can become invulnerable, and spam it to survive longer whilst dealing damage, I do feel like there is a better approach

sweet brook
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spoiler ||hades|| btw

sullen yew
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Oh

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Oh I am sorry

sweet brook
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the better approach would be to learn the boss pattern

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and then make sure you have a good build and mirror

sullen yew
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Yeah, I am currently going for the 3rd life

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691 (Dark crystals? I don't know the name)/1000

sweet brook
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darkness

sullen yew
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Oh, felt like it would've had a different name xD

sweet brook
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nope lol

sullen yew
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By the way, what would you say is a good build?

sweet brook
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probably any of the meta ones

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off meta ones can work ofc it just takes more effort to make them work

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or just a lot more time

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and granted, you aren't playing for a fast time, but hey they're meta builds because they kill things fast, and you want to kill things fast

sullen yew
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I mean fair point

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Though I did find myself last run without extra lives before fighting hades, I did have the regen 1 per 0.8s so I just kept one enemy alive to regen

sweet brook
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like sure, tempest strike sword with thunder flourish for sea storm can work
but also it kinda sucks lol

sweet brook
sullen yew
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Btw what's considered a spoiler? So that I can write my messages properly.

sweet brook
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end boss onward

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so ||demeter||, the final boss themself

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that's it for now

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there's a few other things, but you haven't reached that point yet

sullen yew
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Welp now I learnt who the final boss is

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Could've expected

sweet brook
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lmao

sullen yew
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Wait quick thing, so talking about the area around say the first boss is fine right?

sweet brook
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yeah styx is fine

sullen yew
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Oh no I mean the furies, that's the first boss no?

sweet brook
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oh

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yeah that's still fine tho

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tartarus is fine

sullen yew
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Oh okay

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So before ||Elysium||

sweet brook
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elysium is fine

sullen yew
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Oh okay

sweet brook
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when i said "final boss" i meant the literal last one

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not last one per biome or anything

sullen yew
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Ah alright

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I am using pierced butterfly as my keepsake right now, got +12% since it gives 1.5% each, should I use another keepsake?

sweet brook
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butterfly sucks yeah

sullen yew
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oh... I thought it was good xD

sweet brook
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well the issue with it is that you lose control of your build

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for tart and aspho, you want to use god keepsakes there so you can try and get cores for your build

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or maybe a duo

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and then for ely and styx, you want something defensive like acorn or tooth or hourglass

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having a good build is gonna give you more damage than the butterfly

sullen yew
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Oh okay, btw for hermes' boons, is movement speed or attack speed better

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attack right?

sullen yew
sweet brook
sweet brook
sweet brook
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nearly all tbh

sullen yew
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Oh one last thing, then I'll stop bothering you, how do I fight the witch cult? I just get hit for a lot of damage (Using the base sword since it feels best for me)

sweet brook
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the witch's circle miniboss fight?

sullen yew
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Yeah

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Messed up the name though

sweet brook
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yeah some sort of deflect boon or just hail mary it

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your sword damage rotation should be special -> dstrike -> dstrike -> repeat

sullen yew
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I rarely seem to get deflect, so I just go for the highest damage after hit (Ex, doom effect)

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I do not have summons, or at least I do not think I do

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I am using butterfly right now, I don't really know which keepsake to use

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I do

sweet brook
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i already went through that

sullen yew
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I have literally no clue what 90% of that just meant

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I still need to figure out what is meant by a full pool

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Oh

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I did encounter 4 already

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Demeter, Zeus, Aphrodite, Ares and Hermes iirc

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Oh okay

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Oh didn't know that

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thanks

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I am sorry if I take a bit of time to reply or my replies seem hasted, I am in asphodel rn trying my best not to get below 100 hp xD

Edit: I am at 92 rn

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It had a pome though

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I.. forgot to change my keepsake

sullen yew
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I died to ||hades||

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It's fine though, wasn't expecting to win

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My build was bad from Asphodel

spice arrow
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do i need to be playing different weapons in order to unlock variations?

faint umbra
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Unlocking all weapons will eventually unlock aspects of them, but you don’t have to play all of them

short jacinth
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Hey, is there any tutorial someone can recommend that doesnt contain any spoillers?

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🙂

deep canopy
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just play along, you'll figure it out

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is there something specific you need help with?

tidal condor
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Tutorial: kill things and don’t be killed

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Use dash strikes often

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Don’t put % damage boons on attacks with low base damage

upbeat pumice
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how to get more rare fish? Is it just a flat percentage chance, or there's a 'catch'?

tidal condor
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Get perfect catch

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Be quick

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If you’re not quick enough you have 50% chance for lowest rarity fish and 50% chance for middle rarity

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If you’re quick enough it’s 50% chance for middle rarity and 50% for highest rarity

sullen yew
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Should you buy boons from charon if you have the money for it?

fiery pike
sullen yew
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Wouldn't you want to kill your enemies faster, thus preferring offensive over defensive?

tidal condor
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Being defensive could let you live long enough to learn the moves

tidal condor
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Don’t just buy to buy though

sullen yew
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Yeah it was for a god

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Mandatory stop to Eurydice

tidal condor
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Nectarusually the best choice there

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So you can get better Hermes boons hopefully

sullen yew
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I forgot to give her nectar lol

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nectar*

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So I missed the acorn

tidal condor
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Rip

sullen yew
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What keepsake should I use for Elysium? I do not have the acorn

tidal condor
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Coin purse is alright

sullen yew
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I don't have that xD

tidal condor
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Probably better save lucky tooth (if you have it) for last zone

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Hourglass?

sullen yew
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I have that

tidal condor
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It’s good for Elysium when you’re further into the game and have more things maxed

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But still useful

sullen yew
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I have like 7 extra things and two on the main boon bar if you get what I mean

tidal condor
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If you equip it make sure to check the well after Elysium boss before you change to a different keepsake

sullen yew
sullen yew
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I am past Elysium, should I change my keepsake or anything?

gray haven
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Acorn if you have it.

sullen yew
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I don't

gray haven
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Lucky Tooth should be good then.

sullen yew
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I don't have it

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I have a little amount of keepsakes lol, still need to get more

gray haven
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Can you show screenshot of your keepsakes and your current build?

sullen yew
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I can't send images here

gray haven
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Just link both in one message.

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Can upload to imgur or something like that, or to a private discord server.

sullen yew
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oh ye

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fair

gray haven
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Bot also doesn't like if you send links back-to-back, hence why I said to post them in a single message.

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It doesn't have a problem with that.

sullen yew
gray haven
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Album works, too, I guess.

sullen yew
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Yeah

gray haven
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Hmmm. Bone Hourglass.

sullen yew
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Alright then I don't change anything

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I already have it on me

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Nemesis Crest for 60 in the well, y/n?

gray haven
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Yeah, sounds good. And you'll get to level it up quickly.

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Yeah, buy it.

sullen yew
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I can probs buy two pomes or maybe 1 pome with 1 ares boon

gray haven
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Just buy everything in the Wells that's not Price of Midas, basically.

sullen yew
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Oh no Charon's shop

gray haven
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Well, I guess the Cast items you don't need to buy in the Wells.

sullen yew
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I have 395 rn

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I will get more since I have to kill a couple enemies to get ||Cerberus' meal||

gray haven
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Shop isn't really gonna do too much for you tbh, just do the miniboss tunnels.

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Well, poms on Passion Dash or Heartbreak Flourish would be nice.

sullen yew
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I managed to get ||his second health bar to half hp, though then I died||

gray haven
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Nice!

gray haven
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Then get some poms on that, and also look for his t2 boons like Razor Shoals, Breaking Wave, etc., that enhance your Tidal Dash.

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And any Attack that's not Tempest Strike will do.

sullen yew
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A bit of a late advice, I am in asphodel rn though I'll do that next run

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I also got acorn now

gray haven
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Then it's not too late since you'll be doing plenty more runs anyway. dusa

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Nice. Acorn is good for Elysium and the Temple of Styx.

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Bone Hourglass is often even better for Elysium, though.

sullen yew
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So

Tartarus/Asphodel = God Keepsake
Elysium = Bone Hourglass
Temple of Styx = Acorn

?

gray haven
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Yeah.

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@sullen yew btw, the go-to DPS rotation for sword is Special > Dash-Strike ×2 > repeat.

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With that, you'll benefit a lot from the high damage from Tidal Dash.

sullen yew
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The sword dash strike is when you dash forward and hit in a straight line?

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I can't tell lmao

gray haven
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Yeah.

tidal condor
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I only just learned to do that combos with sword

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So much better than pure dash strikes

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Because the standing strike combo ends up happening while dash is on cooldown

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And it’s not easy to consistently hit things when that happens

gray haven
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You can also do Cast > Dash-Strike x2 when it's enough. It's faster than doing Special.

tidal condor
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That’s poggers commitment to than

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Maxed ares keepsake and no Athena keepsake is bouldy tho

sullen yew
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I max because i forget it on

sullen yew
tidal condor
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No just the combination of attacks that works best

sullen yew
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Oh

tidal condor
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As Nyaanyaa said, Special and then two dash strikes

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If you just mash dash strike it’s not very accurate

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The special paces your dash strikes so you don’t have that problem

sullen yew
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I just get a dash upgrade and move all enemies in a corer, then repeatedly dash into the wall and hit

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Works somethimes

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Sometimes*

tidal condor
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Yeah if you pin them to a wall or corner it’s a lot easier to get away with spamming dash strikes

spice arrow
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do weapon upgrades stack?

high mural
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such as?

mild perch
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is it just me

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or is the spear bad

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i feel like its outclassed by the shield a lot

sullen yew
gray haven
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Good luck!

sullen yew
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I have cleared like 5 rooms only dashing

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Without using attack/special

gray haven
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lol

sullen yew
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Finished off the two bomb throwers at the start

gray haven
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You can practice the DPS rotation I told you, though. It'll speed things up even more.

sullen yew
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Still haven't attacked

sullen yew
sullen yew
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Should I take Dire Misfortune, Battle Rage or Slicing Shot (Rare)

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Bad 😂 though it's basically Tidal dash with some Athena mixed in because it was the only door and Doom on my special

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Nyaan's is good, though I found one Poseidon boon

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what's ME

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When you have weak it repeatedly affects right? That's what merciful end does?

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oh

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That would actually be good lmfao

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What god gives ME? Athena? Aphrodite?

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kk

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(I have 3 casts)

proven pivot
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Do it

sullen yew
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||Dies to hades in second phase, though I did do pretty well||

sullen yew
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What does ||Fated Authority/Persuasion do?||

tidal condor
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Let you reroll a limited number of rooms or boon selections per run

sullen yew
tidal condor
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Not as good as tidal dash and breaking wave

sullen yew
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I know, though without being able to chose those two I chose Typhoon

tidal condor
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Tempest flourish is not recommended in most cases

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Same with tempest strike

sullen yew
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kk

tidal condor
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Yeah that helps a lot in Styx

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Plus you need it for the prophecy

sullen yew
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10/50, I need more health if I want to beat the boss lol

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?

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I don't think no

tidal condor
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You must have, or it would have the prophecy icon

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Legendary prophecy doesn’t have any unlock conditions I don’t think

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Unless it’s to take a legendary ever

tardy prism
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What's the best setup for mirror of night boons?

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i mean some are purely preference but which ones are important

sweet brook
tardy prism
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thank you!

sullen yew
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||I finally beat hades, though now I have the concept of heat, what do I do?||

gray haven
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And congratulations! dusa

sullen yew
gray haven
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That one didn't need to be spoiler-tagged lol.

sullen yew
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Oh

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Well it's not directly at the start so you know

gray haven
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Whatever you like. You can find my aspect leveling guide in the pins.

tardy prism
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that guide is going to be so useful for me lmao

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thank you

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except i already sunk 10 titan blood into chiron

gray haven
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Chiron is good at high level.

tardy prism
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yeah, especially now i've realised that forcing a dionysis boon early is really good

sullen yew
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Is there any god boon I should try to get for the spear?

gray haven
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Poms on Tidal Dash and 2-3 on Static Discharge.

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Best hammer is Flurry Jab.

sullen yew
tardy prism
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last weapons I need to escape with are malaphon and exagryph

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from that chart it seems clear that I should go with eris for exagryph

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and probably zagreus for malaphon

mild perch
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whats a good build for it

gray haven
gray haven
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For Malphon it's really up to you. The ranking is just to give an idea of what you can expect, but all of the aspects are perfectly viable.

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Most important is that you're having fun.

sullen yew
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I need to get used to the spear, already used 3 extra lives

gray haven
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Cast > Dash-Strike x2

gray haven
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So you'll also want to pick up a good Cast boon and put some poms on it.

If you pick up Exploding Launcher early, you can go for a good Special boon instead and do Special instead of Cast in the rotation.

If you have Flurry Jab, you can pretty much just hold down Attack and mash Dash + the occasional Cast here and there to apply Boiling Blood to tanky enemies.

sullen yew
thin heart
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That's a hammer, not a boon

sullen yew
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That may be why

deep canopy
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||in styx, does an encounter count as the whole dungeon, or all of the different chambers you go through to get the reward?||

deep canopy
sweet brook
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yes, every encounter in styx counts as an encounter. stuff like chaos curses, well items, and ||rare crop|| will all count each individual small room. plume and butterfly only count the end room

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||pom blossom|| is a spoiler

tardy prism
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what's a decent build for exagryph? I have 2 levels of eris

sweet brook
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lightning strike, artemis (find chaos additive) or aphrodite or any epic % based special

tardy prism
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i picked up lightning strike as my first boon, and have artemis on my special

sweet brook
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rocket bomb, cluster bomb, targeting system, delta chamber, flurry

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for hammers^

sweet brook
tardy prism
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yay

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because I just picked them for no reason

sweet brook
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lmfao nice

tardy prism
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so i have the base boons that'll make this good now?

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just have to get some hammers showing up

sweet brook
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if you want, you can get tidal dash, although you might make some enemies fly out of the special before it lands

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since you wanna get hit by the special

tardy prism
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yep, i'm still struggling a bit with wanting to be inside the aoe of one of my own attacks

sweet brook
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if you get rocket bomb or cluster bomb, it'll be easier

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rocket, just get in right in their face and blast them

tardy prism
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ah, ok

sweet brook
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cluster, it's just a giant aoe so you have more range

tardy prism
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hopefully one of them will show up

sweet brook
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if both show up at the same time, i recommend rocket bomb

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it's just faster

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for your two hammers, if you get rocket bomb and cluster bomb, you basically win lol

tardy prism
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cool, hopefully those will show up

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and i also remembered to actually gift zeus and artemis so it won't be hard to reproduce again hopefully

sweet brook
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cluster bomb makes each of your specials do like 30% less damage (hey you're shooting 5 at the same time, so it's balance), but when combined with rocket bomb (base 80 damage), it doesnt take any percent off of it so it's base 400 point blank lol

tardy prism
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oh wow

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that's a lot of damage

sweet brook
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yeah

tardy prism
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and then with artemis crits

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and damage boosts

sweet brook
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ofc it's pretty high roll, considering you need 2 specific hammers

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but yeah

tardy prism
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but not out of the question

sweet brook
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hyper sprint + rush delivery, eris aspect boost, chaos additives, crits

tardy prism
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found rocket

sweet brook
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nice

tardy prism
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oh I see what you mean, just pointblank shoot them with it

sweet brook
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yeah

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it's much faster, and you dont need to time like dashing into it or anything

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you're just right there lol

tardy prism
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yeah, it's just so much easier

sweet brook
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oh bonus points because rocket can't bounce off a pillar and go behind you lol

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you'll just hit the pillar, which imo is less infuriating lol

tardy prism
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that's much less frustrating XD

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is aphrodite's call any good?

uneven minnow
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Fine. But the others are better

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Like Poseidon

tardy prism
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ok, the other gods I have in this run are athena, artemis, and zeus

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which one of their's should I go for instead?

uneven minnow
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Is this your first run

tardy prism
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not first run

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lowest heat level with exagryph

uneven minnow
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Nice

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Also you prob already know this cause this isn’t your first run. Always go for the hammers

tardy prism
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oh yes

uneven minnow
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Ok good

tardy prism
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very important to get the hammers

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yeah, i think I have 6 wins now? 4 in a row with 3 different weapons yesterday lmao

uneven minnow
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That’s pretty good.

sweet brook
tardy prism
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yeah, i just want to get all weapons done so I can max out chiron and farm some ||heat|| for a bit

sweet brook
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also ||heat|| is a spoiler here

uneven minnow
tardy prism
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oh sorry, how do I spoiler tag things?

sweet brook
sweet brook
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||so like this||

uneven minnow
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Yeah I mean like always go with nectar

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If you want story

tardy prism
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there

sweet brook
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well i wasn't really referring to stuff like that

tardy prism
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i can give meg ambrosia now yeah

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i still need to pick up nectar, there's two gods i'm missing and i haven't gifted charon yet

uneven minnow
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To each there own

tardy prism
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wait yeah i haven't liked posidon call either lol

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so should I go for zeus call then?

uneven minnow
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Ok Athena and Zeus are good

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Sounds like a…. Skill issue

sweet brook
# uneven minnow Yeah I mean like always go with nectar

in elysium, you'll be offered your second hammer. this is the earliest you can get your 2nd hammer
say the doors give you a choice between a hammer or zeus' boon. unless you really need a good hammer since the first one wasn't good (or dont even have a hammer yet), it's better to take the zeus boon and maybe look for a duo or boon you dont have yet that you need. the hammer will continue to show up again, and there's a high chance of it being offered on the next door after you finish that room

deft ravine
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Yeah I don't like it

sweet brook
# uneven minnow Sounds like a…. Skill issue

i mean even if it wasn't, it's still mediocre in general
you cant attack during it, so you lose a lot of overall dps. i will say it's good for just invulnerability and movement in a quick pinch tho

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but using it for damage, it's eh

uneven minnow
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I was joking but ok

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About the “skill issue”

tardy prism
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is there a duo boon I should be going with for exagryph

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which one's smair?

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i'm assuming sea storm is zeus+posidon

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i have zeus attack artemis special this run

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athena and aphrodite I think are the last two?

sweet brook
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if you're going for smair, you need a call first before it can be offered

tardy prism
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aphro cores? sorry, i genuinely don't know what you're referring to lmao

sweet brook
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cores are attack, special, cast, and dash

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it shows up on the side of the screen

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those boons are always visible

tardy prism
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ooh right

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no, i don't

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mid asphodel

sweet brook
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ngl i dont remember if it's considered a core or not
i guess it is, but isn't considered a priority boon like the other cores

tardy prism
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just finished midboss

sweet brook
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oh so like c18

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18-20 rn

tardy prism
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found zeus's call

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chamber 20

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ok, i'll go for that

sweet brook
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cast or dash, just whatever comes first lol

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dont get picky

tardy prism
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i have athena dash atm yeah

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it's the reason I went for her

sweet brook
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if you get aphrodite replacement for your special, i might consider taking that if cast isn't offered

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it doesnt matter

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like every build can use the dps from tdash

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but frankly it doesnt matter

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ddash is fine

tardy prism
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ok, so I want either special or cast on aphrodite then go for duo?

sweet brook
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aphro replacement

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i will say tho

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if given a choice between replacement or cast

tardy prism
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i've put a couple of levels into my special

sweet brook
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take the cast

tardy prism
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oh that's nice

sweet brook
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taking cast over special replacement is better because the game wants to keep offering you cores until they're filled, so you want to fill it if you can

tardy prism
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haven't found jolt yet actually

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right, so i'll go for cast

sweet brook
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boon's called static discharge btw

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for jolt

tardy prism
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found dash replacement but also cast for aphrodite

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so now i can get duo boon?

sweet brook
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take cast

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and yes

tardy prism
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i got athena aphrodite duo boon

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that's not the one i'm going for

sweet brook
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dont take it

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wait

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no

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take it

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yes

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but

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if you pick up aphrodite

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it wont be offered again at all

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dont sell before smair

tardy prism
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so i should take it to get it out of the pool?

sweet brook
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dont take the 50/50 duo chance when it's offered

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yes

slow minnow
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It’s my 50th+ run and I made it to final boss like 5 times, died in all of them. Am I just terrible?

sweet brook
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spoiler final boss btw

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and no

tardy prism
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no, costs too much darkness and I haven't found keys this run

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not at all

sweet brook
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everyone progresses at their own pace, some take longer, some faster

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it's whatever

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play how you wanna play

tardy prism
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i made a new save because i took 2 years between playing so i'm at about 20, but i was about 50 in the last one before I beat the final boss

sweet brook
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yeah same lol

tardy prism
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i got so excited because the first line of dialogue from the aphrodite boon seemed to be implying zeus could come up

sweet brook
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it do be like that

tardy prism
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and i'm finally calling the bone hydra lernie

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and evergreen acorn is locked off because i didn't change for tartarus but remembered to for asphodel

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oh well, to elysium!

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targeting system, explosive fire, or delta chamber?

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i mean sometimes

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ok, i'll grab delta

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i have gotten through the entirety of elysium focussing on taking zeus and aphrodite boons only to still not have their duo

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is smouldering air the one i'm looking for?

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it only took till the temple of styx when i fufilled the requirements from the end of asphodel

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so now I just spam call?

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final boss

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this is one of my slowest runs to outside i've done

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what's a good build to go for for malaphon?

tardy prism
#

another merciful end run, ok

deep canopy
#

are there any other uses for keys once you unlock all the weapons and max out mirror?

#

i just cashed in all of my keys for nectar

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now im stacked with nectar

tardy prism
#

finished phase one of the final boss without taking a hit, feels good

deep canopy
#

how many

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it's uncommon tho right?

#

guess ill always keep a surplus of 30 keys on me then

tardy prism
#

i just got a single 100 gem for 1 diamond trade so yeah, it's worth keeping spares of lower items

deep canopy
#

can you ever buy darkness?

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at the lounge

tardy prism
#

what's the best aspect i can access for varatha

gray haven
#

Achilles.

tardy prism
#

kk

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is ||damage control|| a decent 1st ||heat|| level?

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also, should I be going for merciful end using varatha

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sorry

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what's hunting blades?

#

i mean it's really good

#

ah ok

#

i'll go for ares cast artimis special?

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oh ok, probably doesn't matter too much

#

might just get both

#

got ares cast

#

yeah, i can probably manage 9 mins on some weapons. i'mm certainly not rushing tho, and i'd be pushing it

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ok, i'll start working on that

#

breaching skewer, extending jab, or massive spin?

gray haven
#

Poms on Tidal Dash and 2-3 on Electric Discharge/Hunter's Mark.

tardy prism
#

atm i'm going for artimis + ares cast, i'll go for that if this doesn't work out

gray haven
tardy prism
#

ok, thx

tardy prism
#

i'm working on it, he literally hasn't shown up since i started trying lmao

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neither has ||demeter||

gray haven
#

At ||low Heat||, Achilles meta is ideally Tidal Dash > Deadly Strike + Hunter's Mark, and also picking up Slicing Shot for Hunting Blades and potentially Mirage Shot, but other good Casts can work, too. Breaking Wave to speed up Styx. If you find Lightning Strike + Electric Discharge first, then picking up Trippy Shot for Scintillating Feast would be great or Phalanx Shot for Lightning Phalanx.

At low levels, Lightning Strike would be quite a bit better than Deadly Strike, but when Achilles Aspect is Lv.5, Deadly Strike usually because it benefits more from the bonus damage and better Duo Boons.

tardy prism
#

oh wait yeah she is

#

finally, posideon showed up again. gifted

gray haven
#

Achilles Cast builds are great for variety or ||for high Heat. Crystal Clarity probably being the best of them||.

tardy prism
#

so if this build doesn't work out I want to go tidal dash, deadly strike, and hunter's mark

#

mainly

gray haven
#

Deadly Strike or Lightning Strike, whichever you find first.

tardy prism
#

ah, ok

#

thx, i'll go for that next run

#

then i'll go for another merciful end fun with fists probably

gray haven
#

If your aspect is max level already and you didn't find either of those Attacks in Tartarus, take the Adamant Arrowhead into Asphodel to get Deadly Strike. If it's not max level, go for Lightning Strike.

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Also can be flexible depending on what you already found in Tartarus. Like, if you found Trippy Shot in Tartarus, then you can go for Lightning Strike to get their Duo Boon. If you found Slicing Shot, then go for Deadly Strike to get their Duo Boon.

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Things like that.

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That kind of flexibility is one of its strengths.

tardy prism
#

wow, ok. i'll see if i can try to remember that

#

massive spin, triple jab, or extending jab?

gray haven
#

Not the spin. dusa

#

Well, spin builds on Achilles can be fun, too. But not optimal because like I said, they prevent you from picking up Flurry Jab.

tardy prism
#

well i can no longer get flurry jab in this run so

#

i've already got my 2 hammers

gray haven
#

Don't say that, there's still an Anvil perhaps. dusa

tardy prism
#

oh true

#

athena artemis duo boon

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not the one i'm looking for but cool

#

eyyy, there's hunting blades

sullen yew
#

And did it again, but this time ||with 1 heat||

agile flint
#

how does this boon work?

#

I keep inflicting Weak onto enemies but DOOM isn't being activated

#

rip

silent vessel
agile flint
#

I figured it out during the ||hades boss|| fight.

silent vessel
#

Which in turn also re-inflicts the doom and so on, until it deals 1 damage, at which point it'll stop re-inflicting.

agile flint
#

thanks though

alpine ridge
#

I think it also stops when Weak ends on the target

upbeat pumice
#

Bow4 should be used as a melee weapon with split shots right?

#

I keep having not enough damage to deal with last fight buffed version

sweet brook
dusty vault
sweet brook
#

and also yeah dealing with ||em4 sneak|| sucks on ||rama|| lol

upbeat pumice
#

I feel like I am doing the build wrong

#

Artemis attack and...

sweet brook
#

aphrodite atk is more consistent

#

actually we should probably not use the new players channel for this lol

upbeat pumice
#

alright, I don't see a spolier channel...

sweet brook
deep canopy
#

got out with the aspect of ||rama||

#

don't think i like this better than chiron

tardy prism
#

yeah, chiron just seems really good

deep canopy
tardy prism
#

especially forcing dionysus

deep canopy
#

what's the best rail aspect?

#

that's not reliant on duos or something rare

sweet brook
#

for hidden bow

sweet brook
#

hestia is also good

#

tbh all the rails are good lol

#

eris and hestia are probably best 2 tho

#

bow*

#

but yes you're right

leaden whale
#

Hey everyone, quick question. I've unlocked the first 4 weapons (Sword, Shield, Spear, Bow) but the other 2 arent showing up to unlock? I've only escaped once, is there something else i have to do to start unlocking aspects / spending titans blood?

deft ravine
#

Um

#

I think they appear as you play?

leaden whale
#

Damn okay, I just couldnt find anymore information other than unlocking 4 weapons out there so I guess ill just have to keep going, thanks!

viscid notch
agile flint
#

Is there an official modding discord or do I need to find an unofficial one?

sweet brook
#

There is

grim jasper
#

I'm starting to think that God's Legacy and the Chaos egg don't have any effect on the chances of Defiance

tidal condor
#

You have to want it less

#

That’s the secret

grim jasper
#

That is not something I control, unfortunately

dusty vault
#

can use yarn of ariadne/refreshing nectar to boost your chances too

#

remember to check for light of ixion for more chaos gates too

grim jasper
#

I do all that

dusty vault
#

desire sensor too strong then

grim jasper
#

Been about 30 runs now where I've been tailoring my runs to maximize my chances of getting it

dusty vault
#

do you have fated persuasion?

grim jasper
#

yes

#

Been rerolling chaos multiple times whenever I see him a 2nd time within a run

dusty vault
#

*them, also yeah cant give more tips then

#

just get the boon(tm)

grim jasper
#

Grasp/Favor/Affluence, then Lunge/Favor/Eclipse, then Assault/Favor/Flourish this visit

#

It's the last thing I need for my last prophecy

tidal condor
#

I guess the fates

#

….have spoken

deep canopy
#

died to ||hades|| using the rail

#

just can't seem to get my build right whenever i use the rail

#

it just doesn't do a whole lot of damage

#

any tips on how to make the rail actually hurt bosses?

dusty vault
#

what attack are you using?

tidal condor
#

Or Dionysus attack

grim jasper
#

Unless you've got Hestia aspect, I like to focus on Special for the rail

#

Either Hazard Bomb or Triple Bomb focused hammers

#

Can suck if you get neither, obviously

#

Otherwise, you could go for Zeus attack or try to shoot for Support Fire with Artemis

deep canopy
#

what's the best ||companion||?

inner geyser
#

Meg is superior in everyway

#

tho I did enjoy than it's just a bit on the weak side tbh

deep canopy
#

just finished hades

#

||persephone returned||

#

anything more to the storyline?

tidal condor
#

It’s just harder to hit things with

sweet brook
#

Antos and than both deal more damage than meg, the issue is that antos has split damage and than is super slow

faint umbra
#

i like antos, sometimes it does that funny thing and hits you when it has no other target to hit. not dealing damage of course

tidal condor
#

Alma weird question but do you play Cultist Simulator?

#

I was looking through old pinned posts on the Weather Factory discord and in a comment after one, a long time ago, I saw someone named alma had posted something :<

faint umbra
#

might be me

#

i used to be active there

dreamy sapphire
#

got a diamond finally, should I hoard it for something important or use it to free cereberus

#

wait no that's free orpheus

tidal condor
#

Orpheus is fine

#

You’ll be getting more

thin heart
#

||you'll get more of that stuff than every unlock in the game will need, except purely cosmetic stuff||

deep canopy
#

cerberus can free himself

leaden whale
#

Im going to cry

#

I got to the end

#

Thought it was over

#

But it wasn’t over

#

And I perished cause I’m bad at games

sweet brook
#

it do be like that

leaden whale
#

Im so sad, does the game ever get easier tho?

#

Like I’m so bad especially with the boss fights I don’t know how to react to moves and stuff so I’ve been relying on tanking hits and dashing like a mad lad and abusing Aires to make up for the lack of me actually hitting

sweet brook
#

Proper builds, learning enemy patters, a good mirror

leaden whale
#

Sounds time expensive

sweet brook
#

I mean the builds and mirror, you can easily get here

#

Learning enemy patterns, it'll come faster than you think

#

If you play the game, it'll come naturally to you the more you play

#

Even if you're not perfect, you'll get better at it, whether you survive the fight or die

tidal condor
#

What is Aires

#

Oh ares

#

Lol

glossy dock
sweet brook
#

oh yeah i forgot the mirror makes the game easier lol

glossy dock
#

it's been so long that I barely remember what it was like to not have DDs, dashes, casts, and whatnot

sweet brook
#

I just forget that not everyone has it maxed lol

leaden whale
#

I only have 3k darkness in there

#

And that’s only cause I racked it up by going through over and over and somehow not succeeding

#

Also is the 30 keys upgrade worth it or should I hoard my keys

sweet brook
#

use them

#

there's like no other use for keys after unlocking weapons and mirror

#

those last upgrades are pretty strong

leaden whale
#

:0

#

I just unlocked a cool thing

alpine ridge
#

Oooooh

#

Honestly the thing about dying isn’t that you’re “losing”

#

You’re just learning

#

Every death’s a lesson

#

Maybe you need to repeat a few times but everyone has to when learning

outer compass
#

What qualifies as just starting?

tidal condor
#

First run

outer compass
#

oh well i have done 33 so i will take my leave

#

actually ive never escaped so maybe i stay here

#

i have done 33 escape attempts but not i actual escape

sweet brook
#

I'd say 10 clears is enough to leave this channel

#

There's obv other stuff but the biggest part of the story is uncovered at that point

outer compass
#

K

kind remnant
gray haven
#

You can chat here for as long as you want, really. When you notice that a lot of your messages require spoiler tags, it might be better to discuss those things in other channels. dusa

glad spade
#

I saw the pinned chart about weapon upgrade costs. Should I focus on what's considered an A-tier upgrade and above for each weapon and ignore the C-tier upgrades?

gray haven
#

To make better informed decisions.

#

But the choice is still up to you.

glad spade
#

I'm reading that most people prefer the Aspect of Demeter.

#

Or I think I'll just go with Aspect of Zag for now

tidal condor
#

Aspect doesn’t matter too much for first clear fists

#

Demeter fists need lv5 to really change the play style

glad spade
#

Ah

#

In that case, I'll just go with what seems "cool" 😄

tidal condor
#

Could just save your blood also

#

Unleveled fists are a fairly easy first clear

alpine ridge
tidal condor
#

Spoiler ||hades and heat||

#

And yes they’re per weapon

kind remnant
#

Just slap some Zeus on the fists

#

Zap away

gray haven
#

Everything about the final boss is spoilers in this channel, so please use spoiler tags. squirtnya

tidal condor
#

👀

deep canopy
#

can someone pin this?

viscid notch
#

Wouldn’t work that great because it’s multiple messages due to the length limit. I wanted to make it into a visual guide but I struggled to find some icons and eventually just lost motivation for the game so never got around to it.

deep canopy
#

^

#

there were no messaged pinned in between

#

should be fine

dusty scarab
#

are bounties from slaying titans limited?

#

they go for high prices, i spent 5 anchient blood on my weapon already

viscid notch
dusty scarab
#

Also are they used for anything besides upgrading weapons

faint umbra
#

theres enough to fully upgrade all of them, it just takes grinding

dusty scarab
#

Ok

faint umbra
#

i have all of them maxed

#

other than upgrading weapons, ||its used for cosmetics only|| but you dont have to worry about that until much later and its not that important

sweet brook
#

actually iirc, doing every single bounty and prophecy won't give you enough titan blood to max every aspect, but you get so much extra ambrosia and you can also fish for it, so it's very easily doable

alpine ridge
#

Also Styx shop will have either a Diamond or a Titan’s Blood for sale, it’s a high price though, around 1k gold iirc

#

Oh and there’s a random deal in the exchange shop back in the house where you can exchange 15 keys for a TB

gray haven
rose ledge
#

Help, bull man keeps slapping me around

#

._.

leaden whale
#

dash towards him when he leaps at u

#

dash away when he swings

#

as long as u have at least 2 dashes

leaden whale
#

after he lands spam ur stuff for like a full 2 seconds then dash because thats how slow he reacts

distant rain
gentle juniper
#

is skelly's tooth just the best keepsake?

#

cause other then how disgusting it is

#

it seems really busted

#

its what you would normally pay 500 night for basically free

tidal condor
#

Not quite

#

To either question

#

It’s decent early in some situations, but definitely not one of the “best” to answer first question,

#

And it’s not as good as the death defiances you get by spending darkness because a) it revives you with a fixed amount of health instead of percentage and b) it gets used after all of your darkness DDs

#

So you can’t even equip it for one zone you expect to die in to get some use out of it

#

The only way to make it useful is to take it into the last zone

#

Or if it lets you get further before dying than you would otherwise — but other keepsakes are better for this

gentle juniper
#

huh

gentle juniper
#

gorgon's seems good but i feel like id forget a lot

tidal condor
#

All of the god keepsakes are very strong to bring to Tartarus or asphodel

#

Because you can make a better build when you have control over what gods you get in a run

#

Harpy feather duster is not very good

gentle juniper
#

darn

#

sucks

sweet brook
# gentle juniper is skelly's tooth just the best keepsake?

it's pretty good as a defensive keepsake yeah
acorn is good for straight up nullifying hits in boss fights, and depending on the boss, it can nullify more than 100 hp and therefore being better than tooth
spearpoint is great for styx because it helps a lot against poison and prevents being wombo comboed for the most part

thin heart
#

spearpoint is nice for tunnels and boss alike yea

heavy beacon
#

Is their like a button to swap from fainted authority to persuasion?

#

Never mind I found out how to swap

zealous crypt
#

hey I was wondering if I should spend my titan's blood upgrading one weapon or unlocking a few weapons. Any thoughts?

smoky patio
#

Hello I just joined the game after wanting it for so long! And was wondering how to balance my abilities

sweet brook
sweet brook
zealous crypt
smoky patio
sweet brook
#

like by mirror or boons

smoky patio
#

Mirror

sweet brook
smoky patio
#

Thanks!

zealous crypt
#

I was playing with m&k for a long time but I saw most people use controller to play Hades. What are the benefits to using controller over m&k?

stoic orbit
#

hello i have an issue after i took hermes boon and skip dialogue without looking at it i got an 2 dialogue options to choose instead of usuall screen with 3 boons

#

and i dont know what this dialogue options changes

sweet brook
#

either one you pick, it won't change the outcome of the game

stoic orbit
#

thanks

sweet brook
#

if you tell him to stop talking, after a bit he starts talking again iirc, if you want him to continue talking then i dont think it changes anything

gentle juniper
#

can u only get titan blood by beating the furies?

#

i already bet the furies with most of the weapons so im wondering if i can get it back

#

(i spent all of it on aspect of demeter lol)

#

other then the trader

#

no way im getting 10 keys

sweet brook
#

you can get more TB once you clear

gentle juniper
sweet brook
#

Both

limpid hawk
#

guys, Can I reset aspects of weapons?

tidal condor
#

No

limpid hawk
#

eh*( ty

tidal condor
#

If you literally just spent the blood to level them up you can quit and reload and it will load from when you entered the courtyard

#

But if you’ve left the courtyard since you spent blood it’s spent for good

sweet brook
#

if you start a run with the new thing, you can hit give up and you wouldn't have spent it

gentle juniper
#

how can you check which weapons youve used to get titan blood

#

i think i remember but i want to be sure

limpid hawk
tidal condor
#

Until you’ve cleared all the way at least once (or are playing on hell mode) you can’t

#

Once you have cleared once, the screen before you start a run will show you what boss bounties you’re eligible for on the weapon you’re using

high mural
#

if you have access to run records you could figure it out

carmine sequoia
#

hey, completed 27 attempts still considered a new player? lol

gray haven
#

Not really, no. This channel is mainly for players who want to avoid spoilers. Spoilers here are the final boss and anything after that.

#

Well, after 27 clears there are still some potential spoilers because you won't have seen all dialogue yet. So up to you really.

#

Just be mindful of not spoiling anything for others either. squirtnya

#

(Spoilers are allowed in all of the other Hades channels.)

carmine sequoia
#

ah i see. i haven't met the final boss yet but was pretty close to it. hoping to fight him sooner or later tho

gray haven
#

Oh, you said completed, so I thought 27 clears.

carmine sequoia
#

ah no my bad 😭

vapid dragon
#

where can i ask a spoilery question?

gray haven
#

If you need to spoiler-tag the whole message, then probably ask in another channel.

gentle juniper
#

why is a chunk of artermis's neck missing

vapid dragon
#

that's just a shadow, not a hole

karmic sphinx
#

im kinda new ||and playing on two heat atm|| and im just wondering if this is where i can ask for help choosing boons?

#

generally i feel confident in the boons i pick but atm im geniunely stumped

karmic sphinx
#

oh sorry

cosmic knoll
#

I have 6 titan blood from beating the furies

#

And the next time I’m getting titan blood is when I beat ||hades||

#

I want to know what weapon aspect I should invest the 6 titan blood in

tidal condor
#

Check the pins here

#

And spoiler the final boss name

ebon tinsel
#

Yo can somebody help me because I’ve unlocked the smelly favour levelled everything up but still can’t kill him

tidal condor
#

The… smelly favour?

#

Oh lmao

#

You leveled up Aspect of Zagreus on the Sword?

tidal condor
#

You’ve escaped 5 times as in you’ve beaten the 4th boss 5 times?

#

Regardless, you can use blood to enhance your weapons once you’ve unlocked them all

#

And nectar is for gifting to NPCs

#

If by sealed nectar you mean the item from the third boss, that’s also for gifting to NPCs but only after you’ve gifted them enough nectar and done a favor for them

ebon tinsel
#

Thanks

near berry
#

i dont quuite understand what the mirror buff "dark foresight" does exactly

near berry
#

i see thank you :)

#

so early game would that be worse..?

#

actually i can see the argument the other way being better, my bad

#

i was thinking since early on it is hard to get a lot of resources maybe the extra nectar/keys and such might be better

#

but yeah clearing is definitely >

near berry
#

is there only a chance u get a duo boon? or once u make the requirements, youre guarenteed to get the specific boon?

#

and can you have more than one duo in a single run?

low folio
#

How are you supposed to play achilles?

#

It's the only weapon I haven't gotten past the third boss with at least

#

With me seeing [Redacted] with zues, chiron, nemesis and the final sword aspect

sweet brook
#

the boost you get from the special is extremely large, and casts have some of the best pom scaling in the game

#

along with high numbers

#

hunting blades makes the blades homing, so it plays itself basically

#

lightning phalanx makes athena's cast bounce between 3 enemies, so it's pretty good for room clearing but it's pretty mediocre for boss damage (except for heroes)

#

for hammers, you want flurry jab
serrated is gonna be the next best, but you dont want to have both at the same time

low folio
#

The I tried hunting blade but it took all the way til elysium to get it

#

Granted I don't have 3 fated

faint umbra
#

i played it with simple zeus cast and jolted and had a lot of fun

#

i guess itll be the same as lightning phalanx

low folio
#

But by the time I got to the bull it was over I had already burnt 2+ respawns on the normal enemies since I think ares cast is pretty meh without tracking

low folio
#

Also why flurry?

sweet brook
#

it's just like, the only good spear hammer for achilles lmao

sweet brook
low folio
#

Just because it's good? Seems like it would eat the bonus damage from achiles

sweet brook
#

nothing else worth pomming really

low folio
#

Fair enough

sweet brook
low folio
#

I think I need to get better at using casts tbh

sweet brook
#

so if you get flurry jab early, you'll spit out the damage boosted attacks faster

#

and also, it's just good damage

low folio
#

I basically never use them outside of the beginning of a fight on other weapons

sweet brook
low folio
#

Maybe if I had Artemis or something

sweet brook
low folio
#

But the others outside poseidon in satyr rooms feels week compared

#

Yeah

sweet brook
#

poseidon, achilles, hera, hidden shield, and technically talos if you try hard enough care about casts

low folio
#

I also wonder if it's just some weapons are weaker at aspect level 1 compared to others

sweet brook
#

oh definitely

low folio
#

Like Chiron nem and hidden stygian feels fantastic at 1

sweet brook
#

there's a tier list pinned here for that
it's mainly for where your first 6 titan blood should go, but it does sorta visualize that still

sweet brook
#

you get like, 2 special arrows

#

or whatever idk 4

low folio
#

It just feels like it plays itself with a dio build

sweet brook
#

i mean it sorta works i guess

low folio
#

I don't think Artemis is good at base tho

sweet brook
#

but also kinda sad lol

sweet brook
low folio
#

Base chiron

sweet brook
#

ah yeah def

#

hangover would work the best, but still somewhat mediocre without the extra bit of damage

low folio
#

Posidon talos is fun against mobs

#

But meh against bosses unless I'm missing something

#

I've tried eris and did decently with it

#

But I'm not sure if I'm missing something

sweet brook
#

because you basically just want lightning strike and rocket bomb

low folio
#

See I didn't have rocket bomb

#

And I went zues on the attack and I think ares on the special

#

I got cluster bombs in elysium

#

Don't remember what my first hammer was

high mural
#

i mean dio special chiron is p much the same from lvl 2-5

#

and not much worse at level 1

sweet brook
low folio
#

Would it?

sweet brook
#

yep

#

you're putting a flat damage source on a base 60

low folio
#

I figured it would have been good since there's no chance of overwriting doom

sweet brook
#

i mean i guess the damage boost makes the doom do a lot more damage, but also there's better options

low folio
#

Until you get rockets would you recommend trying to hit yourself, hit the enemy or hit both with eris

sweet brook
#

aphrodite is consistent high percent and it's immediate, also scales with chaos better

sweet brook
#

shouldn't be too hard to manage

#

should be doing the same with rocket anyway

low folio
#

I was trying to hit both but I found me getting hit along for trying it since the special is so sloe

sweet brook
#

dash in at the last second

#

or at the tail end at least

low folio
#

And are you spamming special or just trying to keep the buff up

sweet brook
#

oh another reason why ares on the special is bad: if you get cluster bomb, doom only applies once so you're not getting a lot more damage on it

sweet brook
#

the special is dealing a lot of damage, so you want to cycle that

#

at the same time, you want to keep the boost up

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if you know the wave/room is going to end soon, you can prioritize enemies over yourself for the special

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when waves are spawning in, you can time a special to land as soon as they spawn and be in it at the same time

low folio
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Ah I mean should I special》attack until rocket lands》special again

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Or special》attack until buff is about to fall off》special again

sweet brook
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ideally, special as soon as possible

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so probably first one

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or i think you might be able to do something like, soak 1 special, do whatever, special asap somewhere else, do whatever, then soak the next one

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i'm fairly certain that's possible to fit into 4 seconds? i dont play a lot of eris lmao

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the simple way would be to just soak the special (ideally hit an enemy), attack, repeat

low folio
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I actually want to play hestia

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But she just requires so much to be good

sweet brook
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yeah at level 1 it's kinda sad

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she's more playable starting at level 3

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hesty is a top aspect and has a very high skill ceiling, but imo is pretty easy to play casually

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because not everyone is going for a low time lol

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reload, shoot, special, repeat
you can cancel the reload animation if you dash right after you reload iirc

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also chaos is super good for it because you utilize the attack, special, and dash attack on hesty a lot

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not many aspects get that much value out of chaos

low folio
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Yeah I just don't have the blood to get it to 3

sweet brook
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it do be like that

low folio
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I kind of went wide

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Instead of specialized

sweet brook
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ah

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that's fair tbh

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i mean eventually you'll get enough

low folio
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Chirons at 2
Nem is at 3 to get access to final
Achilles is at 1
Talos at 1
And eris is 1

sweet brook
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if you want, you can trade some ambrosia for TB
you get a ton of ambrosia later in the game, much more then you'll ever need so you can trade some out
i'd save a few for some relationship stuff but you can safely save like 3 or something

low folio
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Yeah since I didn't really do too much outside of getting everyone's keepsakes

sweet brook
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dusa requires a good amount iirc for a max relationship tho iirc, everyone else's is like 1 or 2

low folio
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I've been trading out ambrosia for blood

sweet brook
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nice

low folio
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Since I need to meet these people like 6+ more times

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Focusing on eurydice sisphys and patroclus

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Since they are mostly rng on if you can actually meet them

sweet brook
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fair enough

low folio
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Appreciate the help

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I'll put it to use tomorrow

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Will try to get at least bull and theseus down on Achilles and maybe a clear on eris

sweet brook
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best of luck

low folio
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Oof I forgot you can friend than

fading pike
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hi

fading pike
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what is a good weapon for the beginning ?

timber plover
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how can i unlock zeus' last heart?

timber plover
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ty

green moth
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what is boons

deft ravine
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The things the gods give you

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During your run

green moth
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which abilitiy it makes stronger

deft ravine
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What

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What do mean which ability

green moth
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q or what

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and what is f do it just goes forward d

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how is it useful

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what is good for giving gifts

deft ravine
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Nectar

slim topaz
green moth
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call for what

flint loom
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gifts r for keepsakes

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give one to skelly he has one of the better starter keepsakes

deft ravine
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You can get calls from boons and their pretty nice

sweet brook
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you get introduced to them in your 5th run iirc

green moth
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i dont know who is skelly

flint loom
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the training dummy guy

slim topaz
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The dummy guy

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In the weapons room

green moth
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oh okei

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how to do fated list

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the first one

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is there no escape

flint loom
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spoilers

green moth
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ok dont

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please

flint loom
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do u want me to tell u or discover urself

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ok

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i agree

green moth
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and others just by playing ia ssume

flint loom
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more or less

green moth
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game telling me already when its related to the fated list

flint loom
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if u want to focus on them u can but i dont reccomend it

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also quick tip if your having trouble survivng early runs divine dash is just an overrall good boon

green moth
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what is divine dash

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a weapon?

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i got 5 weapons

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u mean the shield one

slim topaz
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A boon from athena

low folio
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Divine Dash is a boon

slim topaz
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Makes your dashes deflect

low folio
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any time you pick up an ability from a god its a boon

green moth
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ohh ididnt know well i most of the time pick it randomly 😄 and go for basic attack buffs

low folio
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Boons either buff or alter your 4 attacks(Cast, Attack, Dash attack, Special) or buff aspects of your character such as speed, passive gold gain, or making other abilities stronger

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you ideally want to fill up as many as possible

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Posidon on cast for example makes your cast do more damage and makes it explode on impact giving it aoe damage and a knockback

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athena on dash(divine Dash) makes your normal dash do a small amount of damage and reflects attacks back to the enemy

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you can grab both of those on 1 run since they take up a different "slot"

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And focusing on attack buffs isnt a bad idea to start off with

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but you eventually find out that certain weapons perform better with casts or specials or dash attacks

green moth
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yea i have already trying out new weps

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but atm

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idk which one is my special

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what is my special

slim topaz
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Q

green moth
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oh that makes sense

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i barely use my q tbf

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there is alot of things lol

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i used to play dead cell

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it was somewhat similar

sweet brook
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the special on a good chunk of weapons aren't that great

green moth
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but not that much coontent

sweet brook
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but it depends on the weapon most of the time

green moth
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i liked the bow

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and normal blade

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shield is fine too i guess

sweet brook
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the special or in general

green moth
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bow q sucks

sweet brook
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because bow (and shield) special aren't great

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yeah lmao

green moth
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unless u wanna dash next to enemy q and get risky for little dmg

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now im trying 10 keys for my mirror

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and nectars for gifts

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And there is still many places to unlock as well 😂

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Ppl were joking when they were saying that it has a lot of variety in this game

fresh dune
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plus a dionysus special

sweet brook
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I was referring to base aspects but yeah

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Zeus shield works better with Zeus special tho imo

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Better aoe and better duos

karmic sphinx
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zeus special and pressure points, or merciful end

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both goated for aspect of zeus

sweet brook
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Idk about pressure points

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For Zeus special you only need jolted lol

karmic sphinx
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fair, but its so nice to see the crits hit for big numbers

sweet brook
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Lightning crits are like at max 70 damage or something lmao