h1-for-new-players

[topaz jasper]

well duh

but spear's right there with them

[plucky island]

but spear? spear is in a fine spot

spear is right where it needs to be, its bow and shield that need to be nerfed

[gray haven]

Spear DPS is hugely hammer dependant, quite similar to sword.

[plucky island]

buff sword and fists, nerf shield and bow, the spear and rail are both very middle ground in their own ways

[topaz jasper]

I think your definition of right where it needs to be is shallow in juxtaposition to the ability to add heat

why nerf bow and shield when you could just buff the subpar weapons so they can hang at high heat

[plucky island]

okay but if every weapon was just as good as the bow and shield i think the challenge would partially die off

[topaz jasper]

and you could always up the heat to compensate

[plucky island]

sure theres always the next heat

but i feel that once a weapon can straight up do 64 heat, something needs to change.

and shield is currently doing that

[topaz jasper]

why?

[gray haven]

Again, this is #h1-for-new-players. Please use spoiler tags.

[plucky island]

oh

shoot sorry

uhm

anyway

[topaz jasper]

one particular shield can max out in the hands of like the best player in history

it doesn't need a nerf

[plucky island]

i dont know... i just dont like where the shield is standing, really

[topaz jasper]

then buff the other weapons lol

give fists more range, make sword less subservient to a broken dstrike hammer, make spear special and spin not worthless without hammers

[gray haven]

Moot anyway because there's not gonna be another balance patch.

[plucky island]

unless someone makes a mod that rebalances things in their image, which ive seen done in various games

[gray haven]

I was just curious what you meant by "most consistent" anyway. So thanks for answering that.

[plucky island]

cough cough binding of isaac cough

yeah no i just think the spear is really versatile, it covers all grounds

[gray haven]

There's a mod that allows you to change the game balance fairly easily.

[topaz jasper]

I think spear does nothing well without aspects and needs a fat buff in its base version

but as you said I'm just completely wrong so I submit to your authority

[plucky island]

i agree that zagspear is lackluster though

[plucky island]

you arent completely wrong, i was just upset

because its special to me is nit bad at all

sure its no rail special or fist special but it has a purpose and its function is clean. ahem im looking at you, sword. go get a better special your special doesnt help.

[topaz jasper]

but sword actually has a good special

good enough that it's part of the meta sword dps rotation

[plucky island]

well, it is strong. but it doesnt cover any bases that the attack doesnt already have

its just more of the same close range dps

[topaz jasper]

it doesn't need to "cover more ground"

it's used because it strictly adds damage and safety

[plucky island]

safety?

it makes you stop moving for a half a second which can be deadly

[topaz jasper]

athena special is an insanely good choice for high heat

oftentimes even better than ddash

and again free damage

special dstrike dstrike

this in my opinion makes sword special vastly more usable than spear special which is completely ignored unless you get exploding launcher where it suddenly becomes really good

[plucky island]

i suppose, but i feel like the only reason the special is good is because the attack is just worse. i think the attack should be able to pull a bit more weight and give the special a bit of a different function, maybe go a bit slower but make a medium range wide shockwave that extends forward instead of being close range and in all directions

[topaz jasper]

but at least using special doesn't literally murder your dps like non exploding spear does

in fact it adds to it because you can't dash strike infinitely so might as well throw in specials

spear special denying you your attack until the painfully long recall takes place is a huge mistake imo

[plucky island]

some dps is better than no dps if its unsafe to move within attack range, just sayin

[topaz jasper]

spear special literally hurts you to use because then you can't respond with attacks when it's safe

[plucky island]

but the recall is way faster than any enemy that could be rushing you at that time

[topaz jasper]

man I wish that was the case on FO2

using special is just like on shield, a death wish at high heat

I've unbound special on both to avoid misinputs because they get you hit immediately afterwards

[plucky island]

even in fo2 with hades spear ive found enough time to toss specials and keep mobile until it returns (not even a second later)

and if a room is too small to keep distance when the spear is recalling then its a room small enough where i wouldnt use the special to begin with, but i love the long range poke i can toss when i need to back off.

to remind you, i play without ||tight deadline|| (even though i can easily make it with) so i have all the time in the world

[topaz jasper]

well hey if it works for you it works for you and I shouldn't try to change that

I'm only trying to show that the progression of the high heat meta has clearly left non achilles/gy/exploding spear special long in the dust and to hopefully be of help if you do start adhering to heat meta and running into difficulties

[sweet brook]

Quality new player discussion content

[tall quest]

Hmmm... What are the general opinions for God mode?

[gray haven]

What do you mean?

There's no shaming here if that's what you're concerned about.

Greg — 03/11/2020
God Mode makes you tougher, and being able to soak more damage means having more time to think and process what's going on in those tough fights. Then each time you die, you get a little tougher after that. It's important to us that anyone engaged with the game and its story be able to see it through. Hope you find that mode makes things more to your liking!

[tall quest]

Ah

I see

Does Dog mode keep going until you reach 100% or does it cap?

[faint umbra]

it caps at 80%

[hushed bone]

is hades an offline game

non player here

[faint umbra]

it does not have any online features

except for i suppose cross save between switch and pc, which i dont know if it requires nintendo online or not

[gray haven]

Caps at 80%. Starts at 20% and increases by 2 each time you die.

[tall quest]

I see

[slate basalt]

If you use God mode to do your first clear, then deactivate it for a time, will reactivating it reset the percentage of reduced damage? Like will it be back at 20%?

[gray haven]

It doesn't reset. So if you were at 38%, it will be 38% again.

[topaz jasper]

the fact that there's no way to decrease god mode % is such bad design

like why

[near fox]

Yeah smth like each time ypu beat the final boss it decreases 2%

[slate basalt]

Ahhh so I shouldn't really abuse it, gotcha. Don't want it to be too easy, would've been nice if it reset. Thanks though

[tall quest]

To be fair youd need to be Particularly Bad to even actually Reach 80%

And it doesnt increase on actually getting out of the underworld sooo

[sweet brook]

everyone has different skill levels, some people need the 80% so they can progress the story, some want to only focus on the story and god mode helps them a lot

everyone's got their reasons for using god mode

[coral yoke]

I use god mode to beat ||64 heat||

[sweet brook]

doesn't hell mode lock you out of god mode

[coral yoke]

63

[sweet brook]

heck yeah buddy

[gray haven]

||Heat|| is spoilers in this channel.

[tall quest]

Heat is spoilers?

[gray haven]

Yes, please use spoiler tags for that.

[dusty vault]

dont enter in panic and pause the game

so you can look where the curing pool is

[sour halo]

So I played Hades for 5 hours now and I didnt || beat the first boss || yet. Is this normal?

[gray haven]

Yeah, I'd say that's perfectly normal. You're expected to make progress gradually as you upgrade your mirror and stuff to get stronger and also learn enemy behavior and what all the boons do and such.

[tawdry jacinth]

I think i managed to do that on m'y second playing session. So sth between 4 to 6 hours playtime. I would say you re in the norm so far 🙂 dont worry and keep up the slashing 💪

[wraith jetty]

Took me 20 hours , don’t worry about it

Took me another 17 to get the credits

[slate basalt]

Watch me lmao

[sour halo]

Thanks ya all!!

[tall quest]

No like, it would take a while even if you played WITH god mode 24/7

[slate basalt]

I understand, was just joking

||Temple of Styx|| is just... unforgiving

[tall quest]

||the poison Rats||

They SUCK

[slate basalt]

By this point... everything sucks there

I need to watch some videos on how not to get my health melted away in those chambers

[tall quest]

What weapons you use?

[leaden whale]

they do.

[shut gyro]

Use Athena dash + ranged weapons for easy wins there

And mash into the cure fountains asap

If you really wanna cheese it there's a keepsake that basically directly counters it

[tall quest]

I use The Bow so i have a marginally easier time

Actually a LOT easier

[shut gyro]

Use your cast against the satyrs btw

It's one of the things that interrupts enemy moves

Or you can simply use the shield and laugh at them

[tall quest]

Also the Rail gun of Adamant speciala seens a very good pick at cleaning out just about everything on The smaller satyr maps

[shut gyro]

If you want a free win

You can try and pray to the rng gods for 2 hammers

Cluster bomb + rockets = nuke button

[slate basalt]

The sword

I do have Athena's dash which helps greatly

[tall quest]

Thats the issue

[slate basalt]

I know

[tall quest]

Does Cluster bomb and Hazard Bomb stack?

[slate basalt]

But I'd really like to get a clear with it, tho if next attempt fails I'll switch

[tall quest]

The Aspect of Nemesis helps irc

[slate basalt]

Don't know how to use the bow tho, but shield seemed cool from the beginning. Couldn't beat ||the Heroes|| with it, so I switched to sword and the damage, I was like whoa

[slate basalt]

I think I have that

[tall quest]

Low DPS sucks
Also same

The aspect or Zeus helps irc

[slate basalt]

Is that on the shield?

[tall quest]

Yep

It costs 2 TS

[shut gyro]

Nope. Cluster rockets does more damage than that would anyway

[shut gyro]

Bow is mostly just focused on using dash strikes. I wouldn't really use it until you're more familiar with the game though, because that's when you'll be able to use it well

Tbf dash strikes are integral to the game in general but like

Especially with bow you won't really appreciate it until you start using dash strikes a lot

[slate basalt]

I see, I see. It's definitely not for a newbie like me, that I figured, but I managed to go through ||Tartarus and Asphodel|| with it. Nice to know about dash strike, thanks

[tall quest]

I quess the Bows Right for me, i do Attack and Strike often
now if i actually Dash Strike effectively is another thing

[shut gyro]

I feel like the bow is actually easier to control dash strikes with

Since you're still standing still to charge the shot, dashing out of that fires the shot

[slate basalt]

Whose cast is actually good?

[tall quest]

Poseidon for Croud control

Crowd"

[shut gyro]

Pretty much all of them can be good in one way or another

Poseidon/aphrodite/dionysus for damage

Artemis is ok and can go through shields which is nice

Since it auto tracks for you you also don't have to aim it as much

Zeus is super good for crowds

The worst ones are probably demeter and ares, but ares can be insane with a duo boon

[slate basalt]

Think I have that one right now

[shut gyro]

Zeus is better for crowd control tbh

Better guaranteed damage

[slate basalt]

RNG was not on my side

[shut gyro]

Oh, it's still decent

It's actually the best cast on arguably the best cast based weapon in the game

[tall quest]

Hunting blades?

[shut gyro]

Which is also a top 2 or 3 weapon

Yeah

Achilles spear with hunting blades is dirty

If you want to have a relatively fast/mindless clear, Eris is probably the best aspect

All you have to do is make sure your damage buff stays up and you can smack things around

Chiron and shield are pretty brainless too but they're slower

[slate basalt]

If you don't mind me asking, which keepsake+weapon+boons would you recommend for first clear?

[tall quest]

Eris?

[gray haven]

What you'll mainly find at higher level play for dealing with Satyr tunnels is Tidal Dash (ideally with Breaking Wave) or Flood Shot + Breaking Wave or some other form of AOE or high burst damage.

Wall-slam damage scales with the biome and the chambers jn Satyr tunnels are very small, so it's easy to get wall-skams that do a ton of damage. But there are other builds that kill things quickly there like Merciful End with Divine Dash, Zeus' Aid (ideally with Smoldering Air), Crush Shot on Hera...

Basically in most of the runs, Satyrs etc. aren't a problem because they pretty much just die as soon as they spawn.

We also take the miniboss tunnels first because they are faster with fewer enemies, are more predictable, and give better rewards.

Doing extra tunnels is generally not recommended unless you want to level your keepsake.

So I would say make your main focus looking to make your builds stronger and upgrading your mirror and stuff to get stronger. That'll solve a lot of problems there.

As for tactical advice... Almost all of the attacks from regular enemies are linear and directly aimed at Zagreus. So you avoid most enemy attacks pretty easily by just circling the group of enemies. The Gigantic Vermin have a very fast bite if you stand in front of them. So you never wanna do that and make sure you get away from there asap if it does happen.

[slate basalt]

I found the wall slam damage to be helpful indeed.

Thanks for taking your time to write this, I'll try and remember the names of boons better as well because sometimes it can get confusing for me.

I already upgraded most of the mirror stats (at least on my currently selected attributes that I got from a friend) so I feel like I should get good soon.

[tall quest]

||FINISHED MY FIRST RUN||

AYOOO

[slate basalt]

Eeyyy congrats!! Hoping the current one will be my lucky run

[topaz jasper]

corngrats!

[leaden whale]

Good job!

[shut gyro]

What weapon/aspect are you using?

[shut gyro]

An aspect for the rail. It gives you a massive global damage buff if you get hit by your own special

So if you're smart with it you're playing at nearly double damage for most of the run

[tall quest]

OH THAT ONE

I cant remember the names of the life of me

[shut gyro]

No worries, it takes a bit

I remember p much all of them now, but I mostly just remembered the ones I used most

Nemesis my beloved

[sweet brook]

play the game long enough you remember the aspects, stay here long enough you remember boon names and various abbreviations lol

[topaz jasper]

and if you stay long enough you forget everything again

[shut gyro]

I only got a few of the spoiler abbreviations like ap/dc etc lol

I gotta learn them all but I'm still trying to test all the aspects/speedrun a bit before I go higher

[topaz jasper]

DC2 sucks

I prefer AC2

[sweet brook]

speedrunning helps a lot with that lol

[shut gyro]

Ramaless issue

Does it

[sweet brook]

you learn enemy grouping and patterns a lot better and the speed helps with ||tight deadline|| a lot

[shut gyro]

I just do fo1 em2 and forget everything else

[sweet brook]

also learning break points

[shut gyro]

I thought td bad for speedrunning

Oh yeah

I was annoyed my fiery beowulf wasn't oneshotting in tart

Realized you need to also have high confidence fml

[sweet brook]

i mean yeah but if you go fast, when you do ||higher heat|| and you're worried about ||td|| then it doesn't become an issue if you practice speedrunning

[shut gyro]

Fair

Kinda sucks when your build isn't online and you gotta wait

[sweet brook]

also you need to spoiler ||pacts|| and hidden aspects lol

[gray haven]

Why are y'all discussing ||pacts|| in the new player channel.

[sweet brook]

good question

[gray haven]

The most common sequence is god 1 > god 2 > Acorn > Acorn. For each region respectively. With your build being focused around the two gods whose keepsakes you equip in the first two regions.

[shut gyro]

Just run shackle hidden sword for the whole run

Actually

Does shackle deactivate with support boons

Or does it only count cores

[gray haven]

Only core slots.

[shut gyro]

Crit shackle sword time

[gray haven]

And only removes the bonus damage for the respective core slot.

Spoiler tags.

[shut gyro]

I knew about that bit at least

[gray haven]

@slate basalt as for which weapon to use... it depends on a lot of things like your previous experience in other games that carries over, which weapon aspects you've upgraded, how much guidance you get in terms of weapon tactics and build...

[shut gyro]

As a qol thing I'll say that shields feel miserable without the charged shot hammer

Unless you're a gigachad playing zeus

[gray haven]

Shield is difficut to figure out how to get good damage with. So new players usually have super low DPS with the shield unless somebody experienced walks them through a build.

[shut gyro]

Tbf you can just run and hide in a corner while coating everyone with doom safely

[gray haven]

So its inherent safety is kind of offset by how long you need to kill anything and how drawn out boss fights are.

[shut gyro]

Simply run hidden sword and facetank everything

Win a bare knuckle fistfight with ||dad||

[gray haven]

New players probably won't have hidden sword before their first clear.

If they do, it's definitely one of the easiest to get a clear with.

[shut gyro]

Oh right the unlocking process takes a minute

New players should just learn zag bow ez

[gray haven]

Zag Bow kinda hard to learn early on when you miss a whole lot of your Power Shots and your positioning and timing is very off.

[slate basalt]

What does acorn do again, sorry?

[coral yoke]

Lvl1 eris kinda ez

[shut gyro]

Up to 5 hits tanked in a boss fight

[coral yoke]

Negates up to 5 hits in the region boss

[gray haven]

First 5 hits in a boss fight do no damage to you, yeah.

[shut gyro]

Super helpful for final boss but very nice even in elysium

[coral yoke]

If you find chambers in elysium problematic u could use spiked collar or lucky tooth

[shut gyro]

It doing no damage has the added benefit of not flinching you

So you can just keep battering them

[coral yoke]

Does negated hits still proc revenge boons

[slate basalt]

I thought ranged would suit me because of previous experiences, but it's kinda hard for me with bow

[shut gyro]

Not sure

[slate basalt]

Ooooh good idea then

[shut gyro]

Rail is a good option then, you can spam it a lot more easily without knowledge of the game

You just need to time your specials to be in the rhythm of your shots so you always have some damage going out

[coral yoke]

Bow is extremely reliant on powershot timing

[slate basalt]

Sorry for the late reply, currently have the sword with aspect of Nemesis

[coral yoke]

What build do you tend to run

[shut gyro]

Based

Well

Hera doesn't really want to

Rama likes it but there's a time and a place for power shots vs early shots

[slate basalt]

Haven't had the pleasure to get acquainted with it, this game has sooo much content

I'm kinda overwhelmed ngl

[shut gyro]

It's definitely a lot

I have 180 runs done and still am nowhere near doing it all

Barely even mid level

[slate basalt]

And this is all with the help of a friend who got me into the game

[shut gyro]

The best I have to my name is a single sub 10 minute with hidden shield 😔

If it helps, nemesis is pretty simply once you learn dash strikes

[slate basalt]

But still like..

[shut gyro]

The damage loop is really straightforward so you can mostly just focus on positioning so you don't get hit

[slate basalt]

In other words, git gud? Yeah, pretty much

[shut gyro]

You'll get the hang of it pretty soon

[slate basalt]

I have a feeling I'll play this game for a while

Which isn't bad, I like the game, but sometimes I'm overwhelmed with choices, that's all

[gray haven]

In my experience coaching new players, the easiest build and playstyle to get a hang of is Achilles starting Tidal Dash and then picking up either Lightning Strike + Static Discharge or Deadly Strike + Hunter's Mark, whichever you see first. If you don't see their Attacks before Asphodel, you take the Thunder Signet into Asphodel and get Lightning Strike from him. And also put a whole lot of poms on Tidal Dash and 1-3 on Static Discharge (or Hunter's Mark if you got Deadly Strike instead). Your other core boons can be empty or you can pick up a decent Call if you come across it.

Also just getting more Poseidon boons that buff your Tidal Dash, like Breaking Wave, Razor Shoals, Wave Pounding...

Hammer you'll want Flurry Jab ideally. Any other hammers don't really matter. Skip any spin hammers because they prevent you from picking up Flurry Jab later. Serrated Point can also be great for the DPS but can take a minute to get used to the reduced Dash distance.

If you have rerolls, reroll Lord Hermes's boons for Greatest Reflex or Hyper Sprint.

Playstyle is pretty much just double-tap your Special to get the buff and then just spam Dash-Attacks, and double-tap your Special again occasionally to regain your buff.

You also wanna try to aim for at least 200 max HP before you reach Theseus and Asterius (a bit below that is fine if you notice everything is dying super fast).

You'll easily end up doing so much damage that just spamming Dash-Attacks and keeping your buff up will carry you through the run even if you get hit by virtually every attack coming your way.

[shut gyro]

Poseidon's very new player friendly yeah

[gray haven]

Although that's not a reason to directly dash into attacks, of course.

[shut gyro]

Just slam everyone against walls

[slate basalt]

Thanks, I'm screenshooting this defo

For later studies

[hushed bone]

does hades get updates or is it a one-time play

[faint umbra]

It was updated for the duration of early access, however that’s been over now for quite some time

[hushed bone]

so u mean there were 0 add-ons ever since it launched

[faint umbra]

You can check #hades-patch-notes to see the updates

[narrow cobalt]

my favorite is zeus's lightning dash but yes Poseidon and Dionysus in my case were very new-player friendly. once the shield is upgraded to the aspect of chaos too, it becomes pretty great.

i tend to use his dash a lot against the bone hydra, when all his heads are out. its helped me but i understand if others dont like it

[leaden whale]

Hello! I am new here. I am interested in Hades, but I do not have the game yet. My question is: What is average time needed to finish this game?

[faint umbra]

it depends on your skill in the game i would say, but it has a how long to beat page https://howlongtobeat.com/game?id=62941

[leaden whale]

Thank you

[olive blaze]

about 20h at max

[leaden whale]

Thanks for the info

[quasi notch]

chthonic vitality or dark healing

[shut gyro]

That is the summary

If you mean a tldr

[gray haven]

That's a short version yeah lol.

[shut gyro]

Use poseidon keepsake to get his dash first, then get either Artemis or zeus and just focus on those gods

Button mash for ez win

[gray haven]

Tidal Dash → Lightning Strike + Static Discharge OR Deadly Strike + Hunter's Mark

Poms on Tidal Dash, and maybe 1-3 poms on Static Discharge/Hunter's Mark.

Try to aim for 200 max HP.

If you didn't find either Lightning Strike or Deadly Strike in Tartarus, take the Thunder Signet into Asphodel and get Lightning Strike there.

[sweet brook]

Chthonic

[quasi notch]

wait really?

[shut gyro]

More consistent healing

[sweet brook]

Yep

[quasi notch]

i always used dark

[shut gyro]

Plus if you're newer you're getting titan blood and stuff instead of darkness at bosses

[sweet brook]

Also provides healing in Styx which dark regen can't do at all

[shut gyro]

And those give a ton of darkness

[sweet brook]

Except for wells

[shut gyro]

But those are tiny too

Lemme just get 5 darkness

[sweet brook]

Also even if you're getting darkness from bosses to farm you already have a fountain right after

And the 3 per room is gonna add up before the boss too

Also considering that if you use dark foresight you're not likely to see darkness rooms that only give like 7 healing

[quasi notch]

dark foresight?

[sweet brook]

Mirror upgrade

Opposite of Olympian favor

[quasi notch]

i really need to think about what i do two times now ive been wrong by alot on what i should use

[sweet brook]

Or ask here lol

[shut gyro]

Why does it sometimes take lernie 74 years to phase

Actually come to think of it that can happen with other bosses too

They just sit there with shield up and I have time to brew some coffee before they're vulnerable again

[sweet brook]

It do be like that

[shut gyro]

Like is it a bug or some rng thing

[coral yoke]

Its rng

It seems to be based off attack timers or something from my observation

Alecto phases faster than meg btw

[shut gyro]

She feels like she moves around more quickly than meg though, so does it just balance out or is she actually just a faster kill

[coral yoke]

She's a faster kill with highest possible dps

Meg is generally more consistent though

[wraith karma]

hi guys, i just started 2 days ago, i like using the sword but it feels lacking in comparing to other weapons is there a certain build for it?

[placid river]

Wait a bit until you get all the weapons, then you'll unlock something new, and then ||buy the nemesis aspect||

[placid river]

ghost ping gaming

[proven pivot]

If you wait longer you get a superior sword aspect. But that's a LOT longer iirc

[shut gyro]

It's not that long, you just need all the weapons unlocked and then a run done

[shut gyro]

Unfortunately, as much as I love the sword, it is inferior to bow/rail/shield. Merciful end builds where you focus on ares and Athena to spam doom are the highest ceiling, but they're also inconsistent. Heart rend where you have Artemis and Aphrodite's duo boon is the most consistent but doesn't go as hard as merciful end

[limber crag]

is 22 attempts to get to the bull fight good?

[coral yoke]

There is no # of attempts that is better or worse

[devout basalt]

what are you talking about poseidon sword is easily top 3 aspects in the game

[shut gyro]

Top 3 is gilga hades zag fist what're you talking about

[coral yoke]

Talos clears zagfists 🙄

[shut gyro]

Isn't talos unironically alright though

[coral yoke]

I mean like

It has 2 decent builds going for it

Being blizzard shot and black out

[shut gyro]

I just remember seeing it surprisingly high on the unseeded leaderboard

[coral yoke]

But the special is so sticky and a lot of other castspects do the same thing better

[coral yoke]

Yeah because all the fists run ME anyway

[shut gyro]

😩

[sweet brook]

the first three fist aspects all just use ME and they all play the same except demeter gets an occasional nuke

[shut gyro]

Just checked

It was an me run 😔

[haughty tulip]

are there any tierlists for this game

[shut gyro]

Every aspect/weapon can do a bunch

It's only when you get to things like speedrunning or high ||heat|| that it really matters, so just enjoy whatever aspect you want to play

Tier lists in general are really misleading because of stuff like that.

[haughty tulip]

oh ok

do u know anyone in this server called rma

[coral yoke]

Tier lists also misleading because everything in this game is situational

[haughty tulip]

alright

so are heat runs like ng+

[shut gyro]

Yeah

[coral yoke]

Unless it's something super egregious like rocket bomb or double edge lol lmao lol

[shut gyro]

Spoiler ||heat||

[haughty tulip]

what

[shut gyro]

It's an endgame sort of thing so

[coral yoke]

You too smh

[shut gyro]

It's considered a spoiler

[haughty tulip]

and is hades a rougelite or rougelike

[shut gyro]

I enjoy nemesis 😎

Roguelite 100%

[coral yoke]

You would be extremely hard pressed to find a true roguelike in this day and age lol

[haughty tulip]

ah ok

[shut gyro]

Pretty sure a true roguelike doesn't give you any upgrades over time

Yeah

[haughty tulip]

is it the mirror thing

[shut gyro]

Not just the mirror

Your weapons and aspects too

[coral yoke]

Hades has a u-shaped difficulty curve

Starting out it's really damn hard but you get permanent upgrades that make things easier and easier

[haughty tulip]

vrej

[shut gyro]

In the middle you just get to mess around and have fun

[haughty tulip]

typical rougelite then

[coral yoke]

And then after you get your first clear ||you can ramp the difficulty back up with heat||

[haughty tulip]

only the ng+ stuff gets painful

[shut gyro]

Nah

It's very painful if you're not a giga gamer at it already

[coral yoke]

I've seen fresh file be compared to ||50 heat||

[shut gyro]

Heroes fight is hell

Fresh file is hell because 1 dash stygian

[haughty tulip]

ah yes the minotaur and the guy with the spear

[shut gyro]

Isn't it only viable because of merciful end

[haughty tulip]

i saw my friend die on that one on new acc

[shut gyro]

On a side note

Jesus Christ why do hera shots just phase through enemies sometimes

It can be helpful and insta drop casts while doing damage

[gray haven]

Fresh file doesn't require clearing on the first run, technically.

[shut gyro]

Or just not do anything and be a wasted shot

[gray haven]

Maybe you're overshooting your arrows.

[coral yoke]

There would be a couple viable strats without ME being an option

But fresh file sets itself up so well to run an me build

[devout basalt]

do people actually play talos as a castspect

before joining this server (~200 runs) it had legitimately never occurred to me

[sweet brook]

Yes but they're all bad because everything is extremely situational. The only one that would be valid would be an aspect tier list but again, various boons make them situational

[haughty tulip]

🌽

thanks man

[sweet brook]

What's with the corn lmao

[devout basalt]

🌽

[sweet brook]

Okay buddy

[coral yoke]

Blizzard shot is the strongest build on talos probably

[devout basalt]

what about ME

[sweet brook]

Cast wise

Like ME is the strongest on like every melee aspect

It's just very difficult to get going so no one wants to use it

[coral yoke]

Me sucks it's an exception

[rancid violet]

I’m not that new - but I had a question regarding the MoN talents.
Are any green talents for sure worth picking over purple talents? They all seem to be situational, preferance based, or completely outclassed by their purple counterpart

A more specific question:
Olympian favor or Dark foresight?
(Boon rarity vs pom/hammer/coin/boon chance)

[shut gyro]

Nope

Some of them are better, some are not

Foresight

[gray haven]

Dark Foresight is broken in all the good ways.

[shut gyro]

You don't like seeing darkness/gems

[rancid violet]

Yeah I figured

[gray haven]

This is a pretty good mirror guide: #h1-for-new-players message

[rancid violet]

I’ll check it out then

[shut gyro]

And death defiance >>> stubborn until high ||heat|| mostly

[rancid violet]

Some of the green perks seem to be ||Weapon variant specific|| but eh

[shut gyro]

How so

Most are pretty similar

[coral yoke]

I mean

Pretty much

Ruthless reflex on hidden fists for example

And shields

[rancid violet]

High confidence and firey presence mostly

High confidence on the ||spear that drains hp.||

[coral yoke]

fiery should usually be the default actually

[rancid violet]

But backstabs

[coral yoke]

Suck because they're not that consistent

[rancid violet]

What’s the max fp rank

[sweet brook]

75 I think?

[gray haven]

That's not a good idea tbh unless you've had a lot of practice.

[rancid violet]

% damage boost

[rancid violet]

Bruh, so like 2 backstabs

Maybe it stacks with that one Poseidon perk, but again, eh

[sweet brook]

Yes but fiery allows 1 shots

[gray haven]

High Confidence is for speedrunners, pretty much.

[rancid violet]

Sure? Then you fight a boss with a massive back

[sweet brook]

Fishing for backstabs can get you hit more easily

Better to just get the hit and forget about it

[rancid violet]

I guess it makes sense for the perfect/fast encounter keepsakes but outside of that - ||hades and Minotaur will be your run Enders||

[coral yoke]

Breakpoints are important

[rancid violet]

If you’re fighting enemies you can one shot with a 75% damage boost then you aren’t threatened by them outside of Hermès/Thano keepsakes imo

[gray haven]

Losing fewer DDs and HP before Theseus and Asterius will help a lot with that fight.

[rancid violet]

Or it’s a playstyle thing, speedrunning for example

[rancid violet]

Where do one shots become less common?

[sweet brook]

There's hardly any weapons that benefit from backstab

[shut gyro]

Enemy HP gradually increases

So

[rancid violet]

Spear, Excalibur, fists

[gray haven]

Hidden aspect names are spoilers here.

[sweet brook]

Fists use fiery presence

[rancid violet]

All of Elysium

[shut gyro]

Fists use fiery because dem moment

[rancid violet]

Ahh, fair

[sweet brook]

Also early on you can one shot with the special

[rancid violet]

Yeah, but that’s early on.

[shut gyro]

charged special with dem fists to roleplay as an eris player for a split second

[sweet brook]

Also if you're relying on the backstab for extra damage in any area you have to be much more precise and skilled
Not impossible but it's much easier to use fiery

[rancid violet]

In the end you’re preparing for the ||hades/Elysium ||bossfight. If you aren’t doing that with thano/Hermès then your best bet probably isn’t one shotting fodder

[gray haven]

Fiery vs Shadow Presence isn't really a deciding factor in whether players get past Theseus & Asterius or not, anyway.

[sweet brook]

In theory if you always hit backstabs then it's better but it's hard to fish for those

[gray haven]

Final boss is also spoilers.

[rancid violet]

Right

[rancid violet]

Good to know, thanks

[rancid violet]

It’s just timing dashes though.

[sweet brook]

Also if you're gonna rely on the backstab damage to finish a boss fight then you weren't ready for it to begin with

[shut gyro]

most builds won't benefit too much from backstab

So I guess it just

[rancid violet]

???
Is relying on backstab a skill issue or is using backstab a risky high skill precision test.

[shut gyro]

Drowns in the sea of damage

[rancid violet]

You’ve said it’s both

[shut gyro]

Bit of both lol

[rancid violet]

.

[shut gyro]

And playing with fiery on in tart has convinced me

[sweet brook]

Both

[shut gyro]

Tart/aspho is when your build is at its weakest

[rancid violet]

And one shotting fodder for dodge chance/passive damage is…?

[sweet brook]

Well feather and butterfly both suck

So no one uses those

[rancid violet]

Im not judging any strategies btw.

[sweet brook]

Making normal rooms faster means you take less damage in them

[rancid violet]

||heat|| gets high enough and anything goes as far as im concerned

[rancid violet]

Okay but it’s Tartarus

Maybe ||asphodel||

[sweet brook]

Your build is weakest there so might as well oneshot them

[rancid violet]

Use shackle

[sweet brook]

If anything the higher you go the more it matters

[sweet brook]

Shackle is super situational and not good for tart for these purposes

[rancid violet]

For what purposes. Hp Economy or farming hemes/thano

[gray haven]

We went pretty fast from "your build is weak in Tartarus" to "let's just not do a build."

[rancid violet]

Wdym

Oh right ||rerolls||

[gray haven]

Shackle start means you have no actual control over how your build starts out. It's not really a great idea except very situationally for experienced players.

[shut gyro]

I don't get this

[gray haven]

Definitely not a good idea for new players.

[shut gyro]

What's with the obsession with hermes/than keepsakes

You only use hermes to pray for his legendary boons

Idt you use than when you can just

Get a build

[rancid violet]

.
One shotting enemies early on builds easy dodge+damage

[shut gyro]

And do damage that way

Yes, but you have little control over your build

And idt you keep the boost when you switch

[rancid violet]

It’s not my playstyle.
I’m trying to see the benefit in having an easy tartaruswhen Tartarus is easy at the cost of a harder ||hades and Elysium.||

What I do see: easy Hermès/thano build. Speedruns

[gray haven]

I disagree with the premise that Elysium and the final boss are harder with Fiery. In fact, Fiery comes in very handy in the final boss fight.

[rancid violet]

I guess the ||skulls and summons|| die faster, fair

What else though

[gray haven]

That's also spoilers. Anything past the final boss including anything in the final boss fight is spoilers.

[shut gyro]

Oh right

[rancid violet]

I’m aware I’m not nearly the most experienced player here - so I’m asking for new information on the basis that I’m not fully versed in high level strategy

[shut gyro]

Undamaged enemies can probably get nuked by the 75% boost

Even later on

Like a rocket to the face? Big damage

A boosted rocket to the face? Gone

[rancid violet]

That being said - doesn’t backstab value scale with skill? I’m practically always behind ||hades at this point already. Any spear attack not his skull shot is a free combo||

[shut gyro]

5 boosted rockets to the face? Armored enemies evaporate

[rancid violet]

And then yeah, ||bull and any Elysium enemies with a shield are super easy backstabs||

[shut gyro]

If you have godlike positioning with hidden bow and triple shot then maybe

[rancid violet]

I get that it’s also weapon situational - bow isn’t a fun backstab weapon

So good point there

Powershots fare better with burst damage for sure

[gray haven]

I don't think it's particularly difficult to get backstabs with bow tbh. But good bow builds try one-shot pretty much anything but bosses.

[rancid violet]

shield plays practically like a sword. It’s way safer to play up close at that point.

[rancid violet]

Yeah exactly

[gray haven]

Anyway, I don't really care if new players use Fiery or Shadow when I coach them unless they're like playing bow or Hestia or something.

Don't think it's ever really mattered for whether they cleared or not.

[rancid violet]

Anyways, glad we circled back to “yeah it’s ||weapon variant|| specific”

[rancid violet]

start and end of convo

Uhh, anything else I should note? Which of the ||reroll ||perks was better. I either don’t remember because it’s been a while or because I used one unanimously without thought

[gray haven]

The ones where it matters want Fiery. So if you want to just pick one option and stick with it, which is often what new players want because they want simple answers, Fiery is definitely the better choice.

Persuasion is way better.

[rancid violet]

Was it ||boon reroll vs door reroll?||

[coral yoke]

Yea

[rancid violet]

Yeah boon is better

[coral yoke]

Menu rerolls are far stronger

[rancid violet]

Ayup

[gray haven]

If I reroll the pause menu, what are the odds for getting the "skip Elysium" option? Do you happen to know?

[rancid violet]

1/1000000 - x
x = the number of times you said thanks to your fan.

[coral yoke]

5/11

[rancid violet]

Wait that’s a real feature?

[coral yoke]

Only if you use the speedrun modpack though

[coral yoke]

No ☹️

[rancid violet]

Okay lol

[sweet brook]

The bonus from Hermes and than doesn't stay when you switch so it's not even worth using because you lose control of your build and there are other keepsakes that are better

[sweet brook]

Yes but it adds another thing to your mind when you're already focusing on dodging and timing attacks
Most of your damage openings are from right after you dodge an attack and depending where you're being hit from getting behind them might not be an option, bosses and normal enemies

[rancid violet]

I would agree. Unless you were somehow building around dodge chance for an end goal of 45-60% dodge, you’d be passing up a stronger and more consistent build with bite

That being said - if you were doing that - firey is probably what you’d pick

What I didn’t understand, and what my greater point was, is when you would want to use fire over backstab in general

And the answer was that it while it can depend on playstyle, it mostly depends on ||weapon+aspect|| choice

[rancid violet]

Your mindset can change fight to fight. If you know you’re not gonna consistently backstab ||charon or a fury|| then you don’t have to go for backstabs. Same goes for any given enemy encounter that’s too hectic to gain value from precise hits. “go for an aoe special or cast and then back out” kinda situation

The point being that you aren’t forced to backstab or think about backstabbing

I’d say it’s still mostly preference+weapon choice, especially when it comes to weapons that don’t backstab often, consistently, or lean into burst damage / range

||gun and bow|| backstabs are useless

||excalibur/sword, Spear, shield|| stabs are easy as hell.

Coincidentally, two of those have their largest burst damage option their easiest backstab.

[shut gyro]

No shield build cares about backstab

Zeus will get most of the damage from boons causing electric mayhem, Zag shield is just all over the place, Chaos probably just wants to spam status, and beo is a nuke button

[slate basalt]

Just had my first clear ✨🥳

[cedar holly]

the first of many?

[slate basalt]

I should hope so

[coral yoke]

U mainly want fiery on beo to one shot witches in tartarus lmao

[mortal shoal]

Guys I remember I can equip 2 things like the dog choker and stuff like that but when I remember I can only equip one

Can I only equip one or more

[faint umbra]

you can only equip one of each type

[mortal shoal]

Type?

[faint umbra]

yeah there are also ||companions||

[mortal shoal]

Well I spoiled that to myself

So like I got Athenas something and cebures

But I can't equip both

[faint umbra]

right. but with the right upgrade you can swap between areas

[mortal shoal]

Man I wish I could kill them in game

I know the building thing right?

So can you tell me what are the types

Like how many can I hold

[faint umbra]

its just the two

[mortal shoal]

Well .......

That's make the game a tid difficult

Which I like

Well talk to you in a few days till I save up for the game

[red egret]

Turn on hell mode to style on everyone

Big flex

[sullen mortar]

hey im trying to get the aspect of rama but idk if i should invest my titan blood into my bow first or my spear first anyone got tips?

[fiery pike]

what best weapon

[dusty vault]

All work, just find the one you like the most

[inner basin]

Would anyone be willing to be my friend so I can share my experience and journey through Hades

:/

[gray haven]

I made a guide for spending your first Titan Blood. Also, please use spoiler tags for hidden aspects in this channel. https://i.imgur.com/NP6KN7I.png

You'll need to get the hidden spear before you can get any of the other hidden aspects by the way.

[red egret]

Spear

:)))

[sweet brook]

Spear's very hammer reliant but not bad once you get the hammers

[shut gyro]

At least it can still kinda function without its ideal hammers

[coral yoke]

base spear does L damage without flurry jab

[shut gyro]

Oh, I just mean in general since like

Achilles/hidden

Latter really wants charged but you can still play without it with other hammers

[empty void]

What do I do with friendships with locked hearts?

[shut gyro]

You have to do some favor for them. Pretty sure most if not all have a dialogue that lets you know what you have to do

[empty void]

Okay great thank you

[empty void]

What if one of them is Cerberus... would it be the same

[shut gyro]

You can look up all the favors

But for cerb specifically, you ||have to pet him like 20 times||

[empty void]

thank you

[sullen mortar]

should i gift meg first to get her companion?

[sweet brook]

yes, hers is the best to use

[slate basalt]

Is there a specific way to "farm" some darkness, or, you know.. just play the game?

[faint umbra]

poseidon and chaos' darkness boons, as well as switching weapons to the one that has dark thirst on it. also take darkness from sisyphus when you see him ||and use his companion, which drops darkness|| if you have that

[slate basalt]

Appreciate

[shut gyro]

Beating bosses you've already beaten also gives you darkness instead of more titan blood/other bounties

[neon fable]

i've been stuck on Asterius and Thesus for a while, and don't know how to beat them

is their like some sort of strat?

[shut gyro]

What weapon are you using?

The general thing is to focus one of them down, then the other

For an early clear I'd focus on killing asterius first, personally

You don't want him harassing you while you're trying to kill theseus' second phase

[neon fable]

true thx

[neon fable]

zag's sword cause im best with it

[shut gyro]

If you want a build that will easily do a lot of damage, put ares on attack, athena on special + dash, and get their duo boon merciful end

It makes any deflect boons cause doom to trigger for good damage, so you can just spam them down with dash strikes

[neon fable]

got it, will try to get them both

[neon fable]

thats what i did, before i died...

thx for the tips tho!

[shut gyro]

No prob!

[shut gyro]

Some big tips: if you're dodging an attack, you probably want to do it without attacking yourself. You don't get invincibility with dash strikes, so empty dashes are good.

For Asterius, you can stand in front of him and wait for him to ready his axe to swing. He's more or less locked in that general direction once he settles on it, so once you know where he's going to swing you can easily get behind him.

For Theseus, abuse the cover you get from the pillars in the arena. If you're far enough he usually goes for his spear throw, and that's the easiest attack to dodge and punish. You can just take your time baiting spear throws and then getting your damage in. During phase 2, you basically want to unload as much damage as you can into him so the support he calls in from a god doesn't have much time to mess you up.

[neon fable]

gotcha

[torn granite]

everyone who knows where is the file save game?

[sullen mortar]

heya can u guys give me some tips for sword maining?

[sullen mortar]

@everyone

[leaden whale]

wow got my 1st win

15th run hell mode

[cedar holly]

🗿

[opaque scroll]

Ayo.

[cedar holly]

so many thinga wrong with that

[opaque scroll]

What?

[fringe yacht]

@/everyone is turned off this server, so no need to worry about notifications when people try to use it 👍

[vagrant badge]

i'd love to!

you want to run posideon sword with stygian soul. posideon cast is great with his sword. hope this helps 👍

[opaque scroll]

How about Spear main tips?

[sweet brook]

this doesn't sound like a good idea at all

[coral yoke]

that sounds like an awful idea

[gray haven]

||Blizzard Shot|| is an easy run if you get extra casts.

[vagrant badge]

that's cuz it isn't 👍

[opaque scroll]

You set him up.

[vagrant badge]

yeah

i'm a grab bag of bad advice. except now i know why it's all bad

plus i like doing a little trolling

[opaque scroll]

A lil, trickery.

[gray haven]

Oh yeah, ||Lady Demeter and her boons|| are spoilers here.

[vagrant badge]

i forgor

[opaque scroll]

Nah, I tend to research. Ik that.

But can y’all tell me the best stuff to get with spear? 🥺

https://tenor.com/view/cejm-cavalcade-rodifa-juhulati-gif-21763328

[gray haven]

Tidal Dash > Lightning Strike > Static Discharge in that order. Poms on Tidal Dash and 2-3 poms on Static Discharge.

[opaque scroll]

Coolcool.

[gray haven]

And also look for t2 boons from Poseidon like Breaking Wave, Razor Shoals, Wave Pounding.

[opaque scroll]

…

Why do these sound like innuendos?

[gray haven]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gray haven]

It's a spoiler as per channel rules, so it needs to be spoiler-tagged.

[opaque scroll]

Ik, just letting y’all know that I’m good with spoilers.

[gray haven]

Doesn't change that we need to spoiler-tag it here.

[opaque scroll]

I-ik.

[opaque scroll]

U seriously can't post pics here?

[opaque scroll]

I’m too good at the game so it nerfed me irl.

My mouse broke.

[dusty vault]

use embeds, post in other discord/img hosting sites then copy img link

[red egret]

Aspect of hades

👍

[red egret]

Use controller for optimal performance

If no controller use touch pad to assert dominance

[opaque scroll]

Lel.

[severe lintel]

sooo i ve used blood of titan on my weapons and when i ve died every thing has restarted . Is this normal ?

[opaque scroll]

Prolly.

[severe lintel]

Eeem what ?

[frosty girder]

As in your titan blood has reset?

[severe lintel]

Mhm. No shield of Zeus

[frosty girder]

Never heard of that. I’d ask an intellectual like @gray haven

[gray haven]

Did you choose "Give Up"?

[severe lintel]

No

I ve died

I ve upgraded all my weapons at once (except for bow) , choose bow, died with bow , and boom, no weapon upgrades

Well at least i have my blood back

[gray haven]

@severe lintel you're best off asking for help in #h1-tech-support.

[severe lintel]

nah it was 1 shot

besides my blood is back soo nothing realy stop my 40th try

[sullen mortar]

now i need something else titan blood pls gimme tips on how to get at least 8 and fast

[opaque scroll]

Finish the right prophecy or fight a boss for a chance for it.

Trade shop also sells them sometimes.

[red egret]

Like 500 darkness for 50 gems

Talk about a deal

[opaque scroll]

Good hammers for fists?

[dusty vault]

Breaching cross

Explosive upper
kinetic launcher on demeter aspect

[red egret]

I'm just not a huge fan of fists

Any time I use them I always lose at least 1 death defiance to hades

My damage output is never high enough to be good

[opaque scroll]

Which is weird cuz it has insane dps.

[red egret]

Maybe Artemis boons weren't the way to go on them or something

Or bad hammer upgrades

Or both

[opaque scroll]

Maybe.

Artemis isn’t bad on them in my experience tho.

[dusty vault]

% on fists are eh

Due to the low base dmg from them

[opaque scroll]

Special Spam covers that.

[dusty vault]

Well if they dont like artemis on it i assume they are using it on atk

[opaque scroll]

Ah, rookie mistake.

U put it on dash/cast.

Hell, special.

[shut gyro]

Artemis dash is a percentage increase, so not good for fists

Her cast is pretty meh

The special does deserve Artemis though

[coral yoke]

Her cast is 2nd best on non cast focused builds imo

Phalanx slightly better

In non cast builds you just want to get them lodged for boiling blood

[shut gyro]

You know what would make her cast extra spicy

If just lodging it could inflict marked

[opaque scroll]

I disagree with top 2 points, but I defer to seniority.

[shut gyro]

Other player has more experience than me so I'd defer to them lol

The seeking aspect is at least nice for lodging when the enemy is flying all over

[opaque scroll]

Indeed.

[shut gyro]

Blasted slamdancers

[opaque scroll]

‘Specially when ur mouse is broken so u can’t aim.

[opaque scroll]

Damn, Elysium boss fight is hard.

[shut gyro]

You only get bounties on the highest ||heat ||you haven't done with that weapon, so if you've only done up to 1, you'd only get the stuff for 2 and so on

I don't know if you still actually get the bounties for doing higher heat than your counter suggests

But you should

Oops

Spoiler ||heat|| didn't realize the channel

[opaque scroll]

Watcha up to?

[shut gyro]

?

[opaque scroll]

Generally I mean.

[opaque scroll]

Sup

[opaque scroll]

Don’t get hit.

[fringe yacht]

advice sponsored by

[maiden ruin]

hypno

[opaque scroll]

I just have to confirm but maxing out the hearts on an Olympian does practically nothing for your character?

[topaz jasper]

nope, although six characters give you something else for their first ambrosia

[opaque scroll]

Yeah, I saw.

Sigh…

So much effort.

[sweet brook]

i mean nectar is relatively easy to come by and will stack up throughout runs eventually

and you can at least consistently get ambrosia

[gray haven]

It's important for main story progression at some point.

Plus you're progressing the narrative for that character, anyway. So it's not wasted at all, that's what Nectar is for after all, to get closer with the characters.

[opaque scroll]

Eh true, but does giving them ambrosia just mean you’re done and they’ll just loop dialogue from that point on?

[gray haven]

There can still be more new dialogue.

[opaque scroll]

Alright:

[opaque scroll]

Alright, I’m assuaged.

[opaque scroll]

Indeed.

[tepid vale]

story progression
if you like the character, give them ambrosia

common downside of playing for over 2 years

[lime canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/lmao-lol-laughing-laughing-emoji-gif-17983155

[forest belfry]

hey new players!!! hypnos gives the most helpful tips and tricks!!! give his tips some good listening next time you play!

[opaque scroll]

Hypnos: “Just don’t get hit next time, lol.”

[opaque scroll]

Best fist aspect?

[sweet brook]

demeter

easily

[opaque scroll]

Ah, gonna save for that.

Just got Talos.

[opaque scroll]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/765630453460762694/1018433855163744276/unknown.png

Which one?

Pls ping.

[topaz jasper]

sorry homie nothing's showing up

[opaque scroll]

Cring.

Quake Cutter, Concentrated Knuckle, Heavy Knuckle.

[topaz jasper]

this server not allowing images in a game heavily oriented around decision making is the true cringe tbh

those all kinda stink so it depends on your aspect and build

zag aspect I assume?

oops guess I should ping you

@opaque scroll

[opaque scroll]

Exactly what I was saying.

[opaque scroll]

Talos.

[topaz jasper]

what for attack and special

[opaque scroll]

I got Tempest Flourish.

[topaz jasper]

attack?

[opaque scroll]

Deadly Strike Epic.

[topaz jasper]

hm interesting

[near fox]

Ooo

[topaz jasper]

so arty attack is good with both heavy and concentrated

I'd probably opt for heavy

[opaque scroll]

Kewl.

[topaz jasper]

but all three are good picks in that situation

[opaque scroll]

Kk.

[white turtle]

Are nectars important if I already have the keepsake that I want?

Do 'attack' boons for my shield weapon apply to bull charge?

[inner marsh]

its not really needed

[opaque scroll]

Yep.

[white turtle]

Any way to tell the boon I'm looking at will replace any of my existing ones?

[topaz jasper]

it'll be very explicit

"will replace ____"

[tall quest]

You need em home

Homie

[opaque scroll]

||https://imgur.com/rv6FtT5||

[topaz jasper]

bruh cod

[opaque scroll]

?

[sweet brook]

curse of drowning

which is one of the bad duos in the game lol

[opaque scroll]

I call 🧢 it seriously helped me.

[sweet brook]

you lose boiling blood and the benefit for flood flare, which is aoe and styx shredder

i guess cod gives some aoe but isn't really a styx shredder

cod makes for good money tho

[fringe yacht]

Eh, if it works it works!

[opaque scroll]

Indeed.

[muted pivot]

its good on fists

and this was fists

so yes, it helped

[sweet brook]

that's the first time i've ever seen anyone say anything positive about cod

[muted pivot]

its just triple damage from your cast on fists

since youre always right next to the enemy

[sweet brook]

cod talos gaming?

[muted pivot]

i mean

yeah

it does kinda sacrifice styx shredder a bit but other than that its pretty good

[sweet brook]

wack

[opaque scroll]

I was gonna say that but I didn’t know if I played long enough to say.

[opaque scroll]

Styx shredder?

[muted pivot]

flood shot/tidal dash + breaking wave, normally

its a really good combination in styx

[opaque scroll]

Oh?

Well in that case I usually get Tempest Flourish and Razor Shoals for that.

[whole tangle]

So...what counts as new here? I've beaten the game like 20 times but highest ||heat is like 4|| so far. Haha.

Never thought I'd like a Roguelike but man, this game is awesome.

[sweet brook]

i'd say "new" would be before you finish credits

[whole tangle]

Ah okay. Then I guess I'm only moderately new. 🙂

[gray haven]

||Heat|| is spoilers in this channel.

And welcome!

[whole tangle]

Oh okay thanks. Didn't realize that. Fixed!

[gray haven]

This channel is pretty much just the spoiler-free zone for newer players.

[opaque scroll]

Wait, so is this video a problem?

[gray haven]

There's not really too much in terms of spoilers you'd need to avoid anymore at 20 clears probably, but it's up to you if you'd rather discuss things here or in other channels where spoilers are allowed.

Yeah, that clip needs to be spoiler-tagged here.

As per channel description, end boss and anything onward is spoilers here.

[white turtle]

I've been trying to start a zeus run, but then demeter shows up and offers to improve my attack by 57% and inflict chill. If I take that boon, am I foregoing zeus' version of attack up?

[verbal quail]

yes

[near fox]

UNLESS you get really lucky and get zeus' attack up in heroic rarity, which is the only rarity that can forgo your existing boon

[gray haven]

||Lady Demeter|| is also a spoiler by the way because that won't show up until after you've been to the final boss for the first time.

Exchanges for Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash only have a 10% chance of appearing when you pick up a new boon. And the chance of it being specifically an exchange for the Attack is even lower, of course.

On the plus side... the very first boon you see in a run will always offer you 3 out of the 4 slots. And any boon you pick up after that will be guaranteed to offer at least 1 out of those 4 slots, with only a 10% chance that it's an exchange. So if only your Dash slot is still open, for example, and you want Divine Dash from Lady Athena... there's only a 10% chance she'll offer you an exchange instead, which means a 90% chance to get Divine Dash.

That goes until all 4 slots are filled.

When all 4 slots are filled, they'll still offer exchanges with a 10% chance, though. But usually you'll see other things.

And because 1 of the 3 boons they offer isn't guaranteed to be for those 4 slots anymore, you have better chances of seeing a legendary or duo boon.

[white turtle]

So I should take Demeter's and any other gods' attack boon that shows up yeah

[gray haven]

If you want Lord Zeus's Attack boon, you shouldn't take any other Attack.

The next boon you see will be from Lord Zeus like normal, anyway.

That first boon in your run is just a scripted event after you see the first boss for the first time.

[white turtle]

But it seems I'd have to be really lucky to get it

[gray haven]

Name is still spoilers btw, so please use spoiler tags.

[gray haven]

You'd only have to be really lucky if you take the Attack from any other god, really.

What weapon are you using now?

[white turtle]

Shield, aspect of chaos

[gray haven]

Oh. You can the Attack right now then, it's pretty good.

[white turtle]

Ok thanks

[gray haven]

Then take the Special from Lord Zeus, that'll be better than his Attack anyway.

Then look for Static Discharge from Lord Zeus and put poms on that + some on your Thunder Flourish (the Special).

[white turtle]

I already have zeus special I think

[gray haven]

Oh gotcha, you're already in the run.

I thought you'd just started just now, didn't look at the timestamp.

[white turtle]

From the way you described the mechanics, it seems that wanna take a boon from attack, I forego those from the same category

[gray haven]

Pretty much yeah.

But if you're looking for a specific Dash and you're not seeing it, for example.. filling your Attack, Special, and Cast slot will help you get the Dash you want.

[white turtle]

If I get zeus attack, can I still get zeus special?

[gray haven]

Yeah.

But Lord Zeus's damage scales mainly with his Static Discharge t2 boon.

And either his Attack and Special would apply it, and you can't stack it, so... getting it from two sources won't really be of much help. One is enough.

[white turtle]

Ok so I prioritize static discharge

[gray haven]

Right.

And if you have his Special, Double Strike can also be quite nice.

[white turtle]

Ok ty

[white turtle]

Where do I get the tokens that reset boons?

[proven pivot]

Mirror upgrade

[white turtle]

I paid for it already

Hm maybe I used it once already?

[proven pivot]

Probably

[white turtle]

Do Dash boons affect Bull Rush?

[gray haven]

No.

[white turtle]

In Styx, worth clearing the remaining chambers for the extra rewards?

[near fox]

I do personally because I have a mirror upgrade so after every chamber, I gain 3 hp so I usually use it to restock on it before the big boss fight and to get some extra obol for the shop

[muted pivot]

if you arent confident in your ability to not get hit i wouldnt do it

[little tiger]

Hey i have a question

Why is it that if i go to both elite fights in temple of styx i would always get the satyr sack 2nd

[shut gyro]

You don't, that's just rng

[little tiger]

Is it? i've done many runs and its practically always happened

Only time i didn't get sack 2nd is when i didn't go to both elites at the start

[shut gyro]

I don't remember the exact number but I'm pretty sure it's around 50% chance you get a 2sack

[little tiger]

no thats not what i meant

what im saying is that i always get the first sack on my second wing if i go after both elites

i didn't even know you could get 2 sacks

[shut gyro]

No

2sack means 2 chamber sack

Well, 2 pathway

2 gate, whatever

[little tiger]

Well its not mentioned in the wiki but if im getting out of styx asap then im not complaining

[white turtle]

Just killed Hades and the game is asking me to pin 5 abilities. What's that about?

[shut gyro]

It's just for the victory screen, it can look nice. I'll spoiler this one, but here's an example from #h1-victory-boasting

||https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1019229495221293076/unknown.png?width=1052&height=592||

[regal tartan]

if you die in magma twice in a row you get an achievement called "you suck bro"

[cloud chasm]

||So How do you get titan blood in general? The sisters aren't exactly dropping more of it. Is the only way to buy from charon's shop right before the Hades fight?||

[coral yoke]

||beat the fight||

Blood is a premium early on but it becomes super farmable

[inner marsh]

you get more titan blood by trading for it in the house, or by using different weapons to defeat the furies

until later on

[opaque scroll]

You’re… not supposed to get hit…?

https://tenor.com/view/cj-gif-20785498

[opaque scroll]

That streak… Is insane…

Whatcha up to btw Xiao?

[shut gyro]

It isn't, most of my runs are just me messing around or speedrunning, both at low heat

You could go boonless and win stuff like 6 heat just fine

[opaque scroll]

Just as a matter of endurance.

[opaque scroll]

Fair.

[shut gyro]

It's not like I ran them all back to back lol

I'll probably end my streak once I get to 200 just as a pretty number

So I can start resetting more often for speedruns

[opaque scroll]

Ah.

Kk.

[sweet brook]

i mean ofc you're not supposed to get hit but that doesn't mean you won't get hit

the final rooms of the non-miniboss tunnels can be quite difficult and you could waste a lot of hp in there

obviously the fountain at the end helps but if you do more tunnels after getting the fountain, you're very likely to end with less hp than what the fountain gave you

the +3 per room is definitely nice, but it's generally not worth taking extra tunnels unless youre absolutely sure you'll end up with a net positive hp

the only other time you should take an extra tunnel would be like if your build desperately needs a duo/boon to be good

which tbh should've been your first priority walking into styx but whatever

[north light]

Use new weapons

[north light]

Bro did a cast build and didn’t use ||Demeter||’s cast? Witchcraft

[sweet brook]

||meme beam|| moment

[north light]

Frfr

[sweet brook]

wait it's hera

that cast is absolutely useless on hera

[north light]

I always take that boon if I get it no matter what

[sweet brook]

well

for this aspect

it's literally pointless

[north light]

Hera…?

[sweet brook]

aspect

[north light]

Oh right

LMAO that’d be hilarious

[sweet brook]

||dem cast|| literally just drops off where it lands it's super pointless lmao

[north light]

Yeah

I feel like Artemis cast would be good for Hera bow

Never tried it

[sweet brook]

nah

in that screenshot crush shot is the best

aphrodite has the largest cast damage and the cast doesn't go flying away if you miss

[north light]

I’ve got a pc mod that adds Apollo, I wonder if his cast is even decent. Never picked it up

[sweet brook]

i forgot what his does

[north light]

Pretty sure it’s a normal cast with Blind but I could be wrong

His call is where it’s at tbh

[sweet brook]

oh his cast is like

||budget luci special||

[north light]

||budget who what lmao?||

[sweet brook]

hidden rail

[north light]

Oh, I haven’t used the rail yet

I have it

I unlocked both of the main aspects once

Haven’t touched it

I use sword mostly

[sweet brook]

based

[north light]

Oh, I also use fists

Those are fun on dash attacks

[sweet brook]

nice

[north light]

Is ||Persephone||’s keepsake worth leveling?

[sweet brook]

eh

it's

mediocre

[near fox]

Imagine Ares cast on ||beowulf|| like what happens there

[sweet brook]

like, it's only worth taking if you know exactly what god you take at the start, meaning you have to keep resetting until you get the one you like

and then it's only good in tart

[sweet brook]

||it just shoots out after the charge, although the rift is much bigger than the normal cast||

[north light]

Post tart I usually use ||collar|| and once I get to ||the surface|| I use ||lucky tooth||

[sweet brook]

you should generally take a second god's keepsake into aspho

but ely and styx yeah defensive is good

[proven pivot]

When I'm running hidden sword I like to take it between aspho and Elysium but hidden sword literally only needs a single boon to be good so it's not much opportunity cost to not bring another god keepsake

[coral yoke]

Poms on +% kinda suck tho

[muted pivot]

not really, it doesnt really have any uses

since you often want to take a god keepsake in tart/aspho and then a defensive keepsake or something else like bone hourglass in ely/styx

[proven pivot]

I mean yeah, but I do pick up other boons by that time, the point was mostly just that I don't really lose anything by picking it up

[north light]

I actually like the randomness personally

[shut gyro]

Seeded hera run to pump up cast 🧠

[shut gyro]

+1 level to divine dash when you're trying to level up doom for merciful end is pretty useless

[north light]

Merciful end?

[shut gyro]

Simultaneously the best and worst duo boon in the game

At its peak it's even better than smoldering air and has insane dps

[topaz jasper]

yes if you're willing to cheat

[shut gyro]

But it wants 47 poms + 18 support boons

[topaz jasper]

start run, look at first boon, give up then swap to weapon that likes that god + pom blossom

[north light]

I’ve beaten the game 11 times, I don’t really care about cheating

[topaz jasper]

it's not really cheating lol but yeah

[north light]

I see… how do I figure out what god it likes?

[topaz jasper]

doing that trick gives you ≈4 free poms, most will go on that first boon you took

[topaz jasper]

idk that's just your own judgement call

[north light]

Oh you mean like what pairs well?

[topaz jasper]

yeah pretty much

[shut gyro]

Yes

[north light]

Got it, thought there was some hidden mechanic lmfao