#h1-story-discussion

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honest rock
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how do i get the hidden aspect

hard rose
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there's a guide pinned in this channel

frank lotus
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Hey guys i am missing one enemy on the Wanton Ransacking mission

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i cant send the picture for some reason but its the 10th one

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How can i find him ?

scarlet tide
turbid prism
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I reunited my first couple blobparty

scarlet tide
turbid prism
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I wouldnt want to spoil it for you. Seeing those two together is better than any victory screen :')

scarlet tide
turbid prism
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yup. You just keep rolling that boulder up and up. But its not about an end but the friends we made along the way

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Zag may sympathise with Sisyphus on the account of them sharing a similar toil. But personally screw that guy, Im no giving him any nectar

torpid vine
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I do think the Sisyphus in Hadesgame has matured, and is no longer the kind of man who would do what he did.

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However, I appreciate that Than and others involved aren't narratively obligated to forgive him.

coarse knot
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I have caught all the fish in the game but the codex says that i only caught a few

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Is that a bug?

torpid vine
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You have to catch multiple for some entries to fully appear.

coarse knot
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Hmm Im pretty sure I got all of em

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Ill try and fish more

foggy star
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have you caught all fish in each region or just one fish per region?

atomic forge
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there are three different ones for each region including the final showdown/greece which are sometimes the hardest to come by due to the limited number of rooms you have a chance to have them spawn

rancid quail
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I am on my sixth escape and I find it morbidly hilarious how blasé Zagreus and Persephone have already become about his Natural Causes deaths

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They were so horrified and distressed the first time, and now it's just like, "Oh, drat, dying of horrible organ failure or something again--stick a pin in this conversation for next time, okay? Love you, 'bye!"

rancid field
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can only watch your son die terribly so many times before it starts getting old, right?

torpid vine
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Zagreus is used to violent death and, well, the god of Death and the psychopomp for gentle death is Thanatos. At least Zag gets that, maybe? (although I dare say Charon also has some involvement in any of Zag's deaths)

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Persephone grieved for Zagreus when he was stillborn, so she's had a long while to learn how to come to terms with that grief. In the end, she now knows he won't stay dead, which has to be a reassurance.

atomic forge
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it's funny that at one point even Hypos says something along the lines of "here you are, enjoy your stay" he doesn't even reference how you died any longer.

torpid vine
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Which is probably why Thanatos was chosen as a love interest. Zagreus visits Death more than... possibly anyone? xDD

rancid field
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i rly like them.. death never dies!!& life hardly does anything else. they're great

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i really love all the specifically death-relevant characters 🥰 ares too has fun dialogue abt it

torpid vine
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I absolutely adore Ares. He's my fave Olympian.

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His keen appreciation for the Chthonic when most Olympians had/have very little interest in the lives of those 'down there' was very nice. According to Thanatos, Ares is the only Olympian who treats Thanatos with any due respect. And, of course, there's the matter of Sisyphus.

hard rose
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character_development.jpg

pliant river
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hehehe

brave spoke
proud maple
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sisyphus best y-phus

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everyone loves sisyphus

brave spoke
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Sisyphus literally helps us even though he knows it’ll hurt him
Best bro in the underworld

rancid field
# torpid vine I absolutely adore Ares. He's my fave Olympian.

i think Dionysis is probably my favorite Olympian bc i like to have a good time but i really like this depiction of Ares, and Achilles' note of war as a force of nature.
I think it's fun to think of the Olympians in terms of their direct relationships w/ mortals and i guess i think Ares just kinda has something neat there? to be the god of war, and to have a stake in the outcome of mortals' wars, is to also have an understanding of the reasons why mortals go to war, which is like.. i guess i just think it's neat and interesting to think abt gods' relationships to mortal violence, esp given elysium's celebration of it. idk! it's all cool

rancid field
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i like Dionysis for a similar reason btw, i feel like there's a universal mortal & immortal appreciation there for getting drunk and enjoying the company of other people

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i think it's kinda sweet

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i guess easy contrast is to figures like The Three Brothers who control forces of nature rather than anything that has a direct kinship with mortalkind

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sorta lol

hard rose
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Zeus when you don't pick his boon: excuse you, even your father wouldn't have approved of this
Zag: *mash X to doubt

coarse knot
turbid prism
torpid vine
# rancid field i think Dionysis is probably my favorite Olympian bc i like to have a good time ...

Ares is a figure who is tied more to courage and bloodlust than strategy (Athena is the war god more closely tied to strategy). He's someone who reacts with love and passion-driven violence. In particular, he's closer to his children than most of the gods. He loves them dearly and when they are harmed... he reacts badly. He was the defendant in the first trial for murdering Poseidon's son, because that son had tried to assault his own daughter and Ares was NOT HAVING THAT. His genuine love of Aphrodite was likewise able to sway his loyalties during the Trojan war.

Zeus hated Ares and proclaimed him the least favourite of his children. He preferred Athena's cold rationality to Ares's passion. In many myths that feature Ares, he's humiliated and brought low--often for the amusement of others.

And in so many interpretations he's just 'evil dude who likes to murder'. So I love that Hades made him charming and respectful. Blood-hungry, sure, but he treats the Chthonics with respect--especially Nyx and Thanatos for whom he seems to have a deeper admiration. Zagreus's continuing slaughter wins Ares's favour. He proclaims he would fight on Zag's side. And given Ares wars for love, that's a pretty awesome declaration.

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Ha, I would write something on Dionysus too, given that you mentioned him and he's really fascinating... but that's long enough. I think xDD

turbid prism
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Speaking of Dionysius. I'm reading his codex and It describes him as easy going and loving the mortals. Yea didn't his nyads dismember a bunch of people including Orpheous?

torpid vine
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Dionysus is perhaps the most 'Earthly' of the Olympians. Possibly, he was elevated to the Greek Pantheon from earlier folk gods. And yes, he does love mortals, but he's the god of a lot of things and amongst those things he has a hold of frenzy and madness. Dismemberment and cannibalism while out of your ever-loving mind? That's as much Dionysus as laid-back enjoyment of a good vintage.

rancid field
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no love without pain!

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ty for expanding on ares! interesting to read

scarlet tide
open berry
torpid vine
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Ares is ❤️

open berry
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what you said is p much exactly why i love supergiant ares so much (fenyx rising ares is also really good with characterization), it's just refreshing to finally have ares depicted as someone other than angry murder man with no personality besides that. mythos was unfair to him, media continues to be unfair to him, to the point i've seen people express hesitance/guilt at liking supergiant's depiction of him and its like. please read his myths i promise he is more than what media has told you he is <3

torpid vine
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DC made him the big enemy of the Amazons. I love Diana and all... but C'MON! That's not fair. xDD

Wait. You've seen people guilty for liking him in Hades?

open berry
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yes

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lmao

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also saw an artist popular doing hades fanart tweet from a side account that they didnt trust anyone that thirsted for ares

tiny sequoia
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Jeez

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I bet they'd say the same about theseus >:(

open berry
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dunno i blocked them lol. for a long while i regularly checked ares mentions and would see all kinds of goofy takes

hard rose
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Ares is so chill tho

torpid vine
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That's... hilarious. Leaving aside the lore of Ares being a lot more complicated than 'angry murder man', he's a fictional character based on a mythological figure? I admit, I probably would have rolled my eyes and blocked them myself though.

open berry
torpid vine
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o.O

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The only time Zagreus is at all disturbed by Ares is when he's playing go-between for Ares and the Goddess who raised him. Even then, it's a wariness Than is quick to say is unwarranted when Zag goes to him for advice. And Zag still does what is requested of him on that front and I don't think he would if he had any genuine ill-feeling.

tiny sequoia
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I dont think I have a good read on ares because I never pick his boons

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But I do remember the part where he's like "woah you killed a bunch of guys, coooool"

open berry
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well its clear the rest of the olympians find ares disturbing, that part is true and gods like dionysus and poseidon remark on how ares would be more enjoyable to be around if he wasnt. yknow. ares. but calling him evil rofl. we played a different game

tiny sequoia
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And like, they're mostly already dead so it's not bad for zag to do and it's not bad for ares to be a fan I guess

torpid vine
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Poseidon is more 'evil' than Ares, especially given the hints about Theseus and, obviously, the Dusa thing.

Ares does love violence and war (Zagreus also enjoys a degree of violence, let's be real). But he doesn't fight to be cruel. He fights because he loves.

open berry
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sometimes i just feel like coolcry

torpid vine
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ARES IS MISOGYNY?

hard rose
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lmao WOT

torpid vine
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Patron of the Amazons, eternal lover of Love, that guy?

tiny sequoia
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Can't argue with /vibes/ I guess

open berry
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i guarantee you its just bc ares expresses any interest in nyx, despite the fact hes so polite about it. but then zeus is continually making skeevy remarks, like... 😭

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continually seeing these comments about ares that have zero understanding of him from myth or even within hades itself is so tiring rofl i trust very few people with their opinions about him yeet

tiny sequoia
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Yeah Zeus has a hole in his heart where respect in women should be, considering his words and actions in the game's story

torpid vine
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Ares, who killed a man for assaulting his daughter, regardless of what consequences he would face? Athena's more misogynistic (hey there, Dusa, Clytemnestra).

open berry
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i mean even if you dont know anything about myth, which there are a lot of people like that getting into hades, like.. idk. the complete disregard to zeus commentary ruffles me. i guess bc people just expect it of zeus? oh that wacky zeus, being gross about women again haha!

hard rose
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If there's One person I feel guilty for liking in the game it's Zeus lol

torpid vine
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Zeus is a lot better in Hades than in myths, but I'm still not seeing why Ares of all people would stand out as evil or misogynistic within the game or the myths.

hard rose
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lightning boons too good

torpid vine
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Athena. I like Hadesgame Athena. I also like a lot of her boons. But myth Athena is just... Well, a lot of the things people seem to hate about Ares, is what she is xDD

open berry
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its cause media always props her up as a morally good figure

hard rose
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my middle/junior high school had Athena as a mascot lol

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and a school anthem of sorts about Olympus

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which makes it all the more poetic that I was a super outcast then, and became a Hades (the god) fan now

torpid vine
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Her morals were... Athenian. She turned a woman into a monster for trying to hide from Poseidon in her temple and thus 'defiling it' when he caught her. She then sent a kid to behead that woman to 'prove himself'. She told Orestes that avenging his father by killing his mother was cool, because only his father was the 'real parent'. xD

hard rose
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I do theorize that game Hades took in Dusa because he knew about what Poseidon and Athena did to her and was like "screw them you can live here forever"

torpid vine
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Game Hades is also a lot nicer than his myths. But I think Dusa just wound up there because, well, she was killed, and Hades is where the dead go. Wasn't her hiring as a maid a matter for Nyx?

hard rose
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I think Hades gave her the job, but Nyx does the delegation, etc

proud maple
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is it canon that dusa is the medusa?

hard rose
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also from the codex
"The Master deemed further inquiry into [Dusa's background] unlawful" which seems like he Knows Stuff

torpid vine
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I think he knows stuff. Even if Nyx handles much of the running of the household, Hades does not strike me as a character who would let anyone work for him without checking their references, so to speak.

hard rose
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Right

torpid vine
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You know, he does seem to lack empathy, at least when Persephone isn't there to guide him. He is prone making deals that are unfavourable to the other party (Achilles, Orpheus, Zagreus). He's a severe man.

open berry
torpid vine
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She's also very uncomfortable when she's asked about what happened to her body. And Medusa was the only mortal gorgan.

hard rose
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Yeah I did wish there was a flag that makes him nicer to the other 2 couples if you reunite them after credits

torpid vine
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Hades definitely isn't 'nice'. I don't think it's in his nature. He's more complex than just 'mean' or 'evil', but the happiness of those around him is generally not much of a concern in his decision making.

hard rose
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Admittedly that would mean more sets of lines to record but hey if Than and Meg can have alt dialogue depending on romance order...

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yeah more accurately, somewhat less prickly

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it's a cool contrast to Zeus: Zeus seems friendly and benovelent on the outside but we all know what he gets up to. Hades can be distant and somewhat off-putting on first impression but has a much better moral baseline

torpid vine
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Ares is still better than both, though I wouldn't look to the Greek Gods as a moral baseline xD

night delta
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wasnt ot athena who went nuts and turned a lady into a spider?

torpid vine
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Well, that was out of guilt from driving her to suicide.

open berry
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the greek gods werent meant to be seen as having any kind of moral baseline lmao the whole point is that they act terribly human and exaggerate actions and feelings you see every day from others, just obviously on a higher scale. i think hades did a pretty good job trying to express that none of them are inherently "better" than any of the others, even if a lot of people dont get that

torpid vine
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They're as fallible as the humans who worshipped them... but way more powerful.

ruby schooner
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you definitely can't perfectly hold ancient greek gods to 21st century ideals, either

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i will say that Hades (the game) did a good job of portraying ares as not openly wrathful and bloodthirsty, and yet fixated on violence to a degree that made me at least feel uneasy whenever he showed up. i imagine it may have been similar to ancient greeks who honoured ares, but prayed to athena in battle because ares made them...well...uneasy (especially since they would have known firsthand the ugly side of war he tends to represent).

tiny sequoia
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Hmm what movie would the ares from hades like best

modest loom
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Raid

night abyss
hard rose
fickle comet
open berry
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i'm aware, i don't find it appropriate

fickle comet
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The term is perfectly accurate from his perspective.

open berry
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Esp given how zeus talks about women in general

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makes me a bit uncomfortable, if that is fine with you

scarlet tide
open berry
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the older i get the more i find "it's zeus" or "it's greek myth" or any such comments kind of a cop out

scarlet tide
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His wife Hera is a goddess of family or something but he has hundreds of kids from human women and she has only one son and it's not even from Zeus, she created him herself like from her leg or something

open berry
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you can acknowledge these things were commonplace in myth and that they frankly suck. but i'm disengaging from zeus discussion bc i'm not really interested, if that's fine with you guys

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gn peaceborb

scarlet tide
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Gn

iron swift
scarlet tide
coarse knot
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i have caught

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a ton of knuckleheads

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my codex says i never caught one

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is this a bug?

iron swift
rancid quail
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I love how perplexed and delighted Zag is by surface fish

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He's all "ah yes, a bizarre hellfish, excellent, in other news it's Tuesday" about the underworld fish

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But the ordinary Greek fish are ???????

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"Oh, I caught a Screaming Humdinger." /shrugs

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vs.

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"So, this is what mortals call...a 'salmon'? Wow!"

frozen jolt
coarse knot
scarlet tide
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Artemis won't give me dialogue for Rama before I invest 5 blood into bow aspects, right?

tiny sequoia
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Yeah

torpid vine
scarlet tide
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Oh right

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Btw

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They're brother and sister

torpid vine
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They're also not human. Still. In Hadesgame, Demeter, Hera, and Hestia have different parents to Zeus, Poseidon, and Hades. Persephone also has a mortal father, meaning she's not Hades's niece as she is in the myths.

proud maple
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i remember demeter saying poseidon is her foster brother, but i dont remember her saying who her parents are. Do they elaborate on that?

hard rose
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she says one of her parents is Hyperion

rancid quail
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The game seems to have opened up the family tree a bit, to forestall the worst of the inbreeding?

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There's more mention of different parents and mortal lovers etc.

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I am 100% in favor of this, given that traditionally it's less of a tree, persay, and more of a braid. 🙄

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If they weren't divine, they'd probably all be flopping around like Ragdoll cats by now.

hard rose
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yeah they cut the 3 ladies from the 3 brothers to get rid of the worst of it

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also yeah my theory is that, since they're gods, the genetic makeup is so unstable that there are no inbreeding side effects

rancid quail
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Do Greek gods even have genetics? 😁

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They just burst into being in strange ways so often, it feels like there's some other mechanic there.

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(Please tell me Hades' Athena still busted out the top of Zeus' head like the world's most magnificent migraine, that's one of my favorite Greek myths.)

hard rose
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considering that Zag inherited 2 eye colors I'd say that genetics exists, but in a much more uncontrolled fashion. see: Nyx's crowd of asexually-born children

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there's a (or some) species of reptiles irl in which there are no males and the females can just clone themselves so Nyx probably does the same but with self-mutation

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(as far as I've played, Athena went "don't be ashamed of your parentage, mine is equally Complicated" so it might as well be that)

scarlet tide
rancid quail
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Demeter describes the birth/creation of gods as "springing from" this or that parent ("You sprang from Nyx, did you not?"), so I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't always a literal birth

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We've already got examples like Aphrodite rising from the foam, Dionysus being sewn into Zeus' thigh to finish gestating, etc.

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Persephone seems to have done things the human way, but she is half mortal in this version, apparently

hard rose
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yeah she's half mortal

proud maple
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is zeus kidnapping her for hades canon in this version?

scarlet tide
hard rose
torpid vine
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Yeah, they go the route of Zeus, rather than having Hades himself do it. Hades is slightly less complicated in this version, and they cut the worst of his actions. Thankfully.

proud maple
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is zeus trying to hook up persephone as her being his daughter with hades less creepy or more creepy than him kidnapping her as someone he has no relation too

torpid vine
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She is still his neice by marriage.

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And in several versions of the myth, Zeus is only involved after Hades springs from the earth and takes her. In other versions he's a coconspiritor from the start, but still steps in to try and run damage control when Demeter freezes the world in grief.

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He does the same when Persephone tries to eternally trap Adonis too.

proud maple
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is that the guy who chose between persephone and aphrodite

torpid vine
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Yeah, Persephone does not wanna let him leave Hades, but he wants to go be with Aphrodite. Zeus steps in and puts him with Perse for a third of the year, Aphro another third, and let's him choose for the final third (naturally, he chooses Aphrodite).

proud maple
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ok yeah

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he dies and she tries to keep him there or something

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i think i dont remember that well

torpid vine
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Aphrodite actually gives him to Persephone to raise, but as he grows, she falls in love with his beauty and decides not to give him back. He's later killed by Artemis for besting her in a hunt, or in a few myths, by Ares for loving Aphrodite.

proud maple
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so he just screwed cause hes hot and everyone wants him

torpid vine
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Kinda. Only, he did actually love Aphrodite. Persephone just... took a few lessons about entrapment from her husband, I guess.

proud maple
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i suppose yeah

rancid quail
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Man, I never know whether to Talk first or Gift first

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sometimes Gifting shuts off the Talk option, but sometimes Talking first ends the interaction and I don't get a chance to Gift...

rose axle
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i usually go with gifting

rancid quail
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Yeah, that's probably the right call

hard rose
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I've never had gifting cut off the talk option before hmm

main mulch
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ok so ive maxed out chaos and nyx's nectar counter

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do i just wait for rng?

atomic forge
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I just got Zag to call the Hydra Lernie and noticed now it says Lernie Vanquished. LOL

pliant river
pliant river
main mulch
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yeah

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i need to get her prompt so that i can get the darkness prompt from the house contractor

pliant river
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ooh yeah idk, it happened kind of quickly for me

hard rose
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is the amount of darkness needed for Nyx's favor a reference to anything? The only one I can think of is the first 4 digits of pi

proud maple
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maybe hades release date?

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or bastions

scarlet tide
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Can I get the waking phrase for aspect of rama from Artemis if I use her keepsake?

proud maple
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i dont think theres any reason you couldnt

hard rose
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You'll make her appear but there's another later of rng for the phrase

hard rose
tiny sequoia
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Pi seems most likely to me

scarlet tide
proud maple
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january 3 42. A.D

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prolly spoiler tag that and yes, after the epilogue the main story is over

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dont have to delete it

silk vortex
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My bad

proud maple
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its cool, technically you dont have too but idk if all the people here have done that

silk vortex
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How is it you black out a message again? I don't use discord to often

proud maple
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put your message in these || ||

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"|| hide || " ||hide||

silk vortex
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Thank u

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||h||

gentle condor
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Slight spoilers ahead

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|| has anyone had issues with completing skellys favor and not being able to give him ambrosia? ||

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if anyone could help that would be dope

proud maple
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did you kill him with max zag sword? that should insta complete it i believe

pliant river
gentle condor
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i did complete the sword favor

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and did what he asked of me

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but am now unable to have any meaningful interaction

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still have hearts

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to unlock

proud maple
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should unlcok favor

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i think thats a bug

hard rose
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If you're on PC try closing and reopening the game

vale iron
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Is zag ||bi||?

rancid field
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ya

scarlet tide
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Probably

silk vortex
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Adds to his cool factor

scarlet tide
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Orpheus started singing

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wow he's good

silk vortex
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.>

scarlet tide
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Also

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I unlocked aspect of rama

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Sooooo much damage

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300 backstab power shot

silk vortex
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I was obsessed with it when I first unlocked it

chilly hawk
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I need to get some rama runs going

scarlet tide
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Who should I give nectar

rotund ether
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Whoever you like most/any Olympian God

scarlet tide
misty cape
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how do i get hades keepsake?

alpine field
misty cape
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then do i gift him nectar?

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what even is his keepsake?

hard rose
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yeah he gives you the keepsake at 2 hearts

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sigil of the dead. His own call.

misty cape
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Ah ok thanks

rancid quail
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Heeeeeelp, Thanatos finally smiled and it was because he didn't have to break the rules anymore to fight the dead with Zag

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He is such a square 🤣

pliant river
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true omg

turbid prism
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lol

wraith zephyr
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He can date both Thanatos, Dusa and Megaera

edgy aurora
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I dont think u end up dating dusa

tender oxide
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you dont, you end up as friends for all eternity

sinful sable
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oh man getting patroculus keepsake is going to take a while isn't it

edgy aurora
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Why would it

sinful sable
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because the process to get affinity meter, i haven't even started it

edgy aurora
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You just gift him one nectar for the keepsake

sinful sable
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yeah but i have to get patroc to show up in codex first

edgy aurora
stuck kettle
frozen jolt
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you just have to check the codex after talking to him for the first time, and then you should be able to gift him the next time. If he’s not in the codex after multiple times talking to him, that’s a bug

hard rose
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Someone asked sometime ago whether Athena in game lore came from Zeus' head, so, yes.

rancid quail
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this delights me, thank you

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now I'm just crossing my fingers that Dionysus sprang from his thigh, too

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Zeus "gives birth" in weird ways a lot for such an exaggerated icon of macho masculinity, doesn't he? 🤔

pliant river
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my theory is that zeus is secretly a sponge

rancid quail
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he buds? 😁

proud maple
hard rose
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if the game got made into a movie Demeter is totally be that lady that a lot of men hate on just because she's a woman who sasses everyone, while they insist "it's not her gender it's just her personality"

hard rose
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Zeus is a sponge and Nyx is an anemone, she just kinda sprouts little polyps that float off into the void

pliant river
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hehehe

pliant river
pliant river
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||WDYM NIX FIRED DUSA||

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i'm pretty sure it's a misdirect but i'm still sad

vivid wraith
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Much sad

scarlet tide
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How do I unlock themes

tender oxide
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do you need pat's favor to get achilles' companion? Ive gotten the contracts for orpheus and sisyphus but havent gotten achilles' to show up yet

torpid vine
tidal vault
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So, for the Queen's Plan, what do I have to do?
Max out all the Olympians' relationship values?

vivid wraith
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you have to forge bonds with six of them

tidal vault
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OOF

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That's gonna take a while

zinc spade
worn gorge
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update on my life, got back into the game and completed the main story line, cheers to that

proud maple
# scarlet tide How do I unlock themes

once you upgrade the upgraded contarctors desk, complete all the work orders that give like rerolls when collecting keys or poms when getting nectar, then after that it should unlock

wraith zephyr
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I already did that but no themes :<

wraith zephyr
proud maple
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have you done all the stuff in work orders?

wraith zephyr
proud maple
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think you need to get those aswell

wraith zephyr
#

ah

#

okay then ty

proud maple
#

oh yeah i just looked it up

#

need everything in work orders

#

i just procrastinated on getting the nectar poms and that kinda stuff so i htought that was all you needed

wraith zephyr
#

Understandable

#

Yeah erebus gates and the infernal stuff is all i need

#

I think i can buy thans theme then immediately

#

Also eurydice's

#

And idk if orpheus and athena have one

proud maple
#

I'm pretty sure they are all unlockable once you get acsess to them

#

except for one that requires you to have a certain darkness amount

hard rose
#

Will Orpheus ever appear at the House after you unlock the option to let him go to Eurydice? I want to see if he has a reaction to you buying it from the contractor but he hasn't been in his spot since

lament epoch
#

Yeah

hard rose
#

ok I'll just get more runs then

night delta
#

what happens if i decline to accept the ambrosia from dusa

proud maple
#

you dont get the ambrosia

#

theres no reason not to take it really

#

they dont mind either way

night delta
#

okay thanks

fickle comet
hard rose
#

Mmmm

jaunty mulch
#

I reached locked heart on Thanatos and, according to the wiki, you only need to beat/tie him in kills after that and it'll unlock, but I've done that at least twice and nothing has changed. What do I do?

pliant mesa
#

wait for rngesus

jaunty mulch
#

okay

#

also where do you give thanatos nectar/ambrosia? at the house or when he shows up in the run?

pliant mesa
#

at the house

#

not sure if u can do it when he shows up but im 100% sure u can do it at the house

jaunty mulch
#

okay cool

#

does he always show up in the house after he shows up in a run or is that rngesus as well

pliant mesa
#

sometimes hes stingy with the chilling but most times yeah

jaunty mulch
#

aight thanks

#

so if i keep finding him in runs and talk to him the heart will unlock?

pliant mesa
#

yeah

jaunty mulch
#

great ty

zinc spade
#

Also you can gift him in runs, I find that better cause sometime he’ll be in the house but like talking to other people so you can’t gift him

willow lynx
#

hey guys!

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theres a locked door in the west lobby

#

whats that for?

bold quarry
#

Are u talking about the admin chambers

#

I'm wondering if theseus will ever get any character dev beyond Being A Big Rude Oily Man

proud maple
proud maple
bold quarry
proud maple
#

?

bold quarry
#

I really like the growing relationship between asterius & zag

bold quarry
# proud maple ?

No I don't think I've gotten to that point yet (but idm spoilers)

proud maple
#

Ah ok

bold quarry
#

So far asterius & theseus been very civil with each other all We're A Team vibes

proud maple
#

Yeah basically they start fighting about something, then eventually they come back together (and I think they get some new moves)

bold quarry
#

Oof i really do not need any new moves from that duo

tidal vault
#

I've maxed out all the hearts for the Olympians.
So I just keep talking to Persephone until she puts forward the plan?

proud maple
#

yeah

#

think you might need some dialogue from demeter and zeus as well

tidal vault
#

ah got it

#

Time to do more runs

jaunty mulch
#

i think asterius unlocked a new move, he just runs into a wall and theres a shockwave, pretty sure that wasn't there before

tender oxide
#

Theseus and asterius get new moves when they become friends again, asterius can throw Theseus and when asterius charges into Theseus it does the shockwave, with the delta strike voiceline from Theseus

jaunty mulch
#

bruh thanatos was all like 'what am i to you' and i thought that was it but his heart is still locked :(

rancid field
#

he is one tough nut

#

you'll get 'im tho

wraith zephyr
#

you have to beat him in a underworld encounter to get the text

#

@jaunty mulch

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just so you dont waste your time ^^

jaunty mulch
#

ayyy just got it, thank you bird!

wraith zephyr
#

Np!

#

Than is best boy

jaunty mulch
#

agreed

#

but he sure is hard to unlock his heart

wraith zephyr
#

There are harder challenges

#

Once i had to do 7 runs to unlock dionysus 7th heart dialogue

jaunty mulch
#

oh jeez

#

today i got the prophecy to get all legendary boons

#

that was rough

#

poseidon was just 'lol no u cant have second wave'

#

'how about another razor shoals?'

wraith zephyr
#

i got second wave easily

#

i get all legendary boons easy

#

That mirror upgrade helps a lot

night delta
wraith zephyr
modest loom
wraith zephyr
#

im currently at the point where they break up

#

so yeah

#

i havent seen thatyet

#

The hydra is called lernie now however

kindred shale
#

how many runs does it take to get all the dialogue

#

its gotta take like

#

atleast 60 hours

frozen jolt
#

a lot of dialogue is very situational, im at 400+ hrs and im sure there is some i havent seen

#

but also i started playing in early access

#

there is dialogue for maxing all the resource director ranks for example, and that is an immense darkness grind, so that will take very long

tawny elbow
#

everything is fine

kindred shale
#

2 defiances left so it is yeah

wraith zephyr
#

75 base health 👀

#

imagine not having 100 base health

atomic forge
#

maybe he's using guan yu and everything really will be fine lol

wraith zephyr
#

2 dd's lmao

#

Nvm im blind apparently

wraith zephyr
#

@fierce estuary I summon you

fierce estuary
#

hi

#

is pancake here

wraith zephyr
#

not yet

fierce estuary
#

oo

wraith zephyr
#

But yeah Aphrodite boons are really good

#

One time i had the damage boon

#

And it was a level 10 heroic

fierce estuary
#

yea aphros damage boon is the strongest one in the game

wraith zephyr
#

So literally 199% damage increase

#
  • the boon that makes enemies take 10% more damage if they are weak
fierce estuary
#

ye that one is nice to have too

#

have u tried her duo boons

wraith zephyr
#

A few

#

ive gotten that one that makes ur cast stronger based on effects from backstabs

#

And that poseidon aphrodite one that makes poms better

fierce estuary
#

oh yea those r good

#

u should try the zeus aphro duo boon sometime

wraith zephyr
#

I used the pom one to get the heroic boon to level 10 so

fierce estuary
#

oh thats how u did it lol

wraith zephyr
fierce estuary
#

so u can use call all the time

wraith zephyr
#

I got that one once

#

But you cant use greater calls anymore so i purged it

fierce estuary
#

btw lesser calls are usually better than greater calls

#

since using call gives u i frames and stuff

#

also, zeus and dio call are meant to be used as lesser calls

wraith zephyr
#

zeus call is so good

#

i love it

#

Combined with the aphrodite duo boon its amazing

fierce estuary
#

ikr it deals so much dmg

wraith zephyr
#

Yeah i absolutely wrecked lernie once

fierce estuary
#

i feel like the lightning bolts miss a lot but i think im a little biased

wraith zephyr
#

gotta stay close

fierce estuary
#

oh hmm i use bows in hades

wraith zephyr
#

what??

#

I cant use bow

#

like

#

like its impossible for me

fierce estuary
#

lol

#

why not o.o

hot shuttle
#

Yooooo

wraith zephyr
#

I only won with the bow once for the achievement, and that was because i got vicious cycle + hunting blades

hot shuttle
#

Am I crazy or are you in the wrong channel rn

fierce estuary
#

hello pancake

wraith zephyr
#

hi pancake

fierce estuary
#

no it should be fine

wraith zephyr
#

Oh yeah we are in the wrong channel oops

fierce estuary
#

it says or other aspects of hades :p

wraith zephyr
fierce estuary
#

sure

hot shuttle
#

Ok

green delta
#

anyone know what the smoking flower things are in the house of hades?

#

and maybe asphodel too

#

they look like lilies

#

idk why theyre smoking though

silk vortex
#

I want to try some

green delta
#

😳 ??

silk vortex
#

Mmm

night delta
#

they do look yummy

on another note, master chaos appreciating zag's gifts of nectar is so nice, even after they know it's predictable is so nice

unique sphinx
#

I just finished the feast and there was no mention of chaos anywhere, I talked to chaos before it happened. Is this supposed to happen

open berry
#

chaos cant come, they mention that

unique sphinx
#

oh i thought he said he could come just not entirely

#

ok thanks

#

poor chaos

night delta
#

i love master chaos so much honestly. theyre so cool

open berry
#

well ultimately the focus of the epilogue is about the olympians. chaos does say that its basically not happening unless they hold the feast in chaos's realm though

#

its not really a surprising move either given that its established pretty well through the game that the olympians generally never held the underworld and all things attached to it in high regard, outside of ares

night delta
#

iirc didnt master chaos mention the olympians dont remember them at all

#

?

open berry
#

they dont but i dont think they'd handle being in their presence that well

#

except for ares i guess

night delta
#

aaah

unique sphinx
#

i wanted ares to fanboy over chaos (and possibly start a war for fun) shadedisgruntled

night delta
#

off topic but the rng gods are hating me, ive been trying to unlock hypnos' heart for so long, must i give an offering?

hard rose
#

you just need to keep talking

#

Also Than needs to have 5 nectars, according to the wiki

night delta
#

ive maxed out than, im just rlly unlucky with rng lol

open berry
#

than tends to prioritize other dialogue, which is what makes getting through hypnos tough

#

devs have already upped priority on hypnos quest in than's dialogue but its still common to get stuck on it unfortunately

hard rose
#

Hypnos was my very last bond on my regular file so yeah, it's just time

night delta
#

f, at least he likes the uhh sleeper lounge i got for him

edgy aurora
#

Got dusa to full hearts yet no bond or the conversation

#

All other characters are bonded other than aphrodite obv

#

Done abt 7+ talks to dusa and no convs

#

Am I missin smth

torpid vine
jolly summit
silk vortex
#

||dusa and zag saying they love each other was very cute||

#

I surprised with how much dialogue dusa has. I'm still talking to her after exhausting everyone else's dialogue

sinful hollow
#

big massive ultra spoilers || I JUST GOT THE FATE OF BRINGING ALL OF THE OLYMPIANS TO A MEETING IN THE UNDERWORLD IM SO HYPED LET'S GOOOOOOO||

limpid oracle
#

So how do i know when i have done all the achievements from the fated list? i thought i did them all except the final story one but the one appeared yesterday (the kill count with your favorite god of war)
Will i ever know that im done-done or do i have to wiki count it?

sinful hollow
#

there's a kill count in the pool of scrying

proud maple
#

Uh

#

Well I can say I finished of the prophecy list a few days ago

#

And yesterday ||nyc|| talked to me about it

bold quarry
#

so i know that patroclus & achilles are war-husbands for life but

hard rose
#

sorry if this is a joke and I'm taking this too seriously, but given that he's basically Zag's weapons instructor, it's warranted just on that front. we don't need more Teen/YA media pushing teacher/student pairs (YOI and Tamora Pierce I'm Looking At You)

#

or any media for that matter, but esp ones that teens engage with

finite ravine
#

Wait does this happen if you give him ambrosia or something?

supple dagger
#

Not to my knowledge.

#

a weird leap. Unless every nectar/ambrosia gift is somehow romantic in nature, which would be weird since not everyone has ||the heart and bow|| when you unlock the remaining hearts, including with Achilles.

finite ravine
#

So what would trigger that dialogue?

lament epoch
#

Giving him nectar/ambrosia will probably trigger that dialogue

supple dagger
#

I think it happens once or twice after gifting nectar, he assumes Zag is gifting it to him to start something when the reality is appreciation. Additionally, he says he's taken even if he wanted to start something.

finite ravine
#

Ah man

#

I wanna avoid it but I also wanna give him more nectar just to unlock that quest to reunite his husband with him

rancid field
rancid field
#

so it's a big deal for the gods sure but it's a bigger deal for someone who isn't a god and has no higher power

finite ravine
#

Ohhh!!

#

Thank you!

zinc spade
open berry
green delta
#

the zeus bond thing was a bug!! so im not crazy after all!!! :'D

#

I wonder if not getting the "Flaaameaaterr!" line is also a bug because I have never gotten it 😔

zinc spade
open berry
#

iirc there is a variation in the dialogue but it depends on whether you've met pat/know his name or not, if anything

#

but you'll still have that convo with achilles regardless if you've pursued than/meg or not

zinc spade
#

I think I had met pat, so maybe thats why my memory is a little shoddy

rancid quail
#

Is it weird that I kind of love how often a character will react with some degree of awkwardness to Zag showering them with expensive gifts?

#

It's such a common relationship dynamic in video games (here! take one hundred things and love me!) and it's fun to see it skewered

#

and played slightly off-kilter with just a touch of "here is a young man who is kinda starved for affection and wants to be friends with everybody but has not had good role models to walk him through the process, throwing presents all over the place"

#

"and sometimes it makes people go 😑 or 🤔 "

rancid field
#

not weird at all i def agree. and think it's a good thing when like. dusa for example ||gives everything back because imo it's frankly a lil inappropriate to be showering her with that much attention when she didn't ask for it/expressed discomfort lol||.. zag you have a problem buddy you gotta get your compulsive gift-giving under control !!

atomic forge
#

didn't zagreus also have a crush on dusa?

rancid field
#

yes indeedy

rancid quail
#

yeah like as someone who was given unwanted gifts by a few different guys in high school who were trying to take the "vending-machine" approach to dating, I especially appreciate the gentle flipping of the trope

rancid field
#

she kinda had a crush back i think ? even if didn't pan out - but the bottles and bottles of nectar/ambrosia was a lot

#

like a starry-eyed crush at least when they first met

rancid quail
#

it seems like Dusa had a crush early on, but as she got to know him and the starry-eyed phase wore off, she--oot, yes

rancid field
#

ayy

rancid quail
#

same hat! 🎩

atomic forge
#

i'm glad they didn't end up together because you don't see that too often in media, unreciprocated affection that doesn't end in drama or weirdness

wide wind
#

yeah and then they're like hey being close friends is cool

atomic forge
#

yep it's great

#

plus zagreus already has two partners, he doesn't have to be greedy

modest loom
#

Yes he does

open shale
#

Hello, I wish you all a good time xephHi
Can I ask for help to find a specific line of dialogue from the game here?

rancid field
#

what's the line? :o

open shale
#

It was a really funny line from Hades, and than back and forth between him and Zagreus.
It happened during my first fight after the main mission / credits and the timing as well as voice acting were just perfect^^
Hades said something like "I hope you're having a most pleasant evening" (from my memory)
Zagreus replied: "Oh I most definitely am, thank you, Father!"
to which Hades replied: "Ah, yes, indeed!"
(the last two I got on screenshot)

hard rose
#

I think I have it, I'll try to dig it up later after work

open shale
#

I couldn't find a video or picture of it online so far, neither a quote in the fandom-wiki or the "Hades Dialogue" tumblr list.

#

Thank you ^^

hard rose
#

ping me again if I don't post it in like..24 hours

#

the tumblr is quite lacking in post-credits things I think

open berry
#

the hades dialogue blog hasnt been updated since before the nighty night update, which was march 2020, iirc

#

so its missing nighty night, blood price and launch content

hard rose
#

ah.

open shale
#

I wonder if it's new dialogue and if I have a chance to hear it again.
I watched some walkthroughs and none of them had this line during their first post-credits fight.

hard rose
#

I'm almost tempted to re-buy the game on PC just to have all the lines on hand

#

my guess is that it randomly pulls from a selection of dialogues

#

because I have 2 files, and I got that line in the "younger" file but not on the older one.

open shale
#

It was perfectly adequate for the awkwardness of their first time fighting without being as serious as before.
Some actual banter, not only aggressive taunting

#

Maybe I was lucky to have it come at that particular time

open berry
#

was this in the hall

hard rose
#

it's during the hades fight

open berry
#

oh i know where to look then, hold on

open shale
#

It seemed to trigger right when he summoned underlings.

hard rose
#

speaking of which, Hades has a special line if you have the Pom Blossom equipped in the last fight. But all the people posting playthroughs tried that right after it was launched, in which Hades has a line for the first post-credits fight regardless, which supercedes the Pom Blossom dialogue, which means, as far as I know, nobody on Youtube has it

open berry
# hard rose speaking of which, Hades has a special line if you have the Pom Blossom equipped...

||Hades: ...That pomegranate blossom... I caught its subtle scent as you approached. The Queen has her mother's strength. And much more self control.
Zag: What, you're afraid of a little flower, now, Father? One that imbues me with the fiercest might of Olympus, granted, but still! It looks harmless, at least.
Hades: I fear your little flower there much more than you. The Queen and her mother... they possess power over life. Thus, power over death.||

hard rose
#

oh yeah I made sure to record that on my second file.

#

I love it so much because ||Zag is all "wow is that vulnerability I'm seeing? lmaoooo" and Hades just goes "yeah."||

open shale
#

Those are good lines, true :)

open berry
#

unfortunately while i have the battle lines theres no way for me to determine the order without seeing the actual sequence in game

open shale
#

Ah, one more minor thing that's too late for me now but maybe helpful if I'd so a new save.
Sometimes I can both talk to an NPC and gift them a nectar or Ambrosia but sometimes if I do one option first, the other one becomes unavailable after that (most often it happened with Than or Dusa disappearing after the first option).
Is there a way to anticipate which option will make them leave or stay or will they always leave for either option, if they do so at all?

open shale
#

if you have them as text

hard rose
#

so mine is not exactly that but
H: I trust you're having a most pleasant evening, boy?
Z: it could be better, I suppose!
H: and such a shame for that!
Z: it'll be alright!

open shale
#

Oh, could the replies vary randomly?
I think the first one was what I had. Thanks again :)

hard rose
#

yeah, I've had Zag reply differently to the same dad line

#

#ThingsThatDadSimpsRemember

zinc belfry
#

Tisiphone, after tapping the microphone: Murderer
Crowd: goes wild

hard rose
#

Charon, coming after: haaaaaaarrggghh

#

Crowd: standing ovation

zinc belfry
#

Zagreus, in tears: Beautiful

hard rose
#

so if:
Hermes knows sign language to talk with Charon, and
Hades probably also knows sign language to talk with Charon,
there's probably one time where Hades ran into Hermes and they started signing to each other before going "WAIT we can both talk"

zinc belfry
#

Gotta love them multilingual problems

hard rose
#

apparently sign is faster than talking sometimes

zinc belfry
#

Monolingual ppl: You're so smart, being able to talk in multiple languages!
Every multilingual person ever: WHAT'S THAT ONE WORD-

#

Multilingualism: Nah fam, we just dumb in multiple languages

#

Also, I can see sign being faster than talking

hard rose
#

me talking in Chinese: ugh I know that word in English

Me talking in English: ugh I know that word in chinese

zinc belfry
#

Or those words that don't have a direct translation and you're just like help

hard rose
#

also at work, different coworkers initiate conversations with me in different languages, and if one of them uses the language they don't usually use, my brain is like
ERROR. ERROR. Re-downloading language pack, please wait

zinc belfry
#

I love how we make fun of the fact that Google Translate is not completely accurate, and although that is true, we humans aren't completely perfect with language either ;-;

hard rose
#

Translation algorithms are getting better I think

#

yeah and what's a "perfect language" can change too
*gestures towards variants of English

rancid quail
#

I work as a professional translator and I still go WHAT'S THAT WORD?? in both Japanese and English on the regular

#

This is how brains are 😅

bold quarry
#

Since there would probably be some number of players who would be going around trying to romance every character they meet hehe

#

I wish I could gift lernie ;_; he is such a good boy

bold quarry
bold quarry
#

Also i am so curious about what the chef is doing with all my fish

#

How does one prepare a slavug for consumption

fickle comet
#

All the fishies are save and cared for by the head chef.

bold quarry
#

Completely valid

#

All i see him do is chop onions

modest loom
#

A slavug is used to enhance the flavor in the liquor

fickle comet
#

They're all save in the aquarium.

modest loom
#

No

proud maple
#

The fish just provide moral support while the chef cooks dusa

finite ravine
#

Yuh

night delta
#

chlam chowder
i only see the ones in elysium and on the surface as edible if we're going down that route

hard rose
#

maybe the Chaos fish too

scarlet tide
#

Try dashing into the wretched broker's shop

#

It's interesting

scarlet tide
#

Zagreus: If I was a satyr sack, where would I be?

rancid quail
#

Slavug bourbouristi, anyone?

hard rose
#

...there's more than one bad call dialogue per god....

#

completionist's nightmare

tiny sequoia
#

You can't call it a 100% run unless you've heard every dialogue in the game

atomic forge
#

but how will I know??? (over dramatic question)

sinful sable
#

just give nectar first than talk

lapis briar
#

Omg I was so shocked when I started to play actual notes on the lyre, but now I’m playing small sections from the soundtrack. Does anyone know how far that puts me into my progress for the prophecy? ( like /210?)

frozen jolt
#

i think that is pretty much there? maybe you just need the dialogues from orpheus to progress or maybe youre really close. either way the playing is as far as it progresses

lapis briar
#

Ok, he didn’t have any dialogue for me but maybe next time I come back the painful way he’ll have something to say

hard rose
#

is there a...painless way to come back? Besides that one time

lapis briar
#

I… don’t think there really is. Maybe giving up, but I’ve never tried that. What I meant in my comment was just walking from my room back into the main hall

plush fox
rose axle
#

there was one death message i got

#

where it said that zagreus just walked over the a red pool and jumped in

#

cause the pool asked him to

#

i dont remember the exact dialogue but it doesn't sound too painful(?)

rancid field
#

OH i got that one the other day i actually screenshotted it cuz i thought it was funny. lemme grab it

#

he did follow this up with a death gurgle that i would hesitate to describe as "painless"

rose axle
#

i thought it was funny as well but couldn't ss in time

#

thanks

green delta
#

why does sisyphus get a companion 😠

rancid quail
#

it seems like people have a lot of feelings about Sisyphus! I'm curious - fill me in!

vivid wraith
#

Bouldy

#

A friend of Bouldy is a friend of mine

rancid quail
#

Okay, Zag getting mauled to death after trying to commune with a bear like a Disney princess is the best post-credits death yet 🤣

rancid field
#

my personal fav so far is one where he zigs instead of zags on the way to his mom's house

bold quarry
bold quarry
bold quarry
bold quarry
rancid field
#

as far as i know it's just random after you reach the credits

#

or it goes in order

#

idk which actually

rancid quail
#

Aww, I honestly didn't like Thanatos much at first blush, but he's grown on me. It's very sweet that ||the sound for their love scene is the two of them joyfully laughing together||.

#

He's so flat and grim to start with, it's nice to see him warm up. Sure takes a while, though. 😅

rancid field
#

it sure does lol

#

he is so funny and standoffish

#

I started to really like him after he said something along the lines of "you didn't ask me to help you, true, but what did you expect?"
because my exact reaction to his initial begrudging help had been like "no one asked you to be here!!" and hearing him respond to that specifically was perfect. what did i expect?

bold quarry
#

Plus it's so funny how both than & meg go and tell sisyphus off for helping zag

rancid field
#

always feel bad obligating than to talk to him

open berry
night delta
#

^ on top of that, don't think than would every be happy for someone cheating him

rancid quail
#

is he being punished for cheating death, or for doing the murder act? because it seems like SGG may have written out that second one for this interpretation, the way they adjusted some of the other characters' stories, and just stuck with the tricking-Than thing...

#

Sisyphus, I mean.

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In the original myths, he was known for violating Xenia (the law of hospitality) and killing guests under his own roof, but he also cheerfully ratted out Zeus after the big guy kidnapped some river god's daughter, so her dad could find her and rescue her, which is honestly fine by me! Good job there, Sisyphus!

remote cedar
frozen jolt
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I seem to vaguely recall some dialogue about what kind of person he was in the past, but I’m pretty sure he’s being punished for cheating death and not for that

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It’s been a while though since I’ve seen all that dialogue. I could be wrong

open berry
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sisyphus vaguely remarks that he was not a good person but i just closed all my notes yeet as far as i can remember there's never anything in particular mentioned aside from cheating death

bold quarry
bold quarry
bold quarry
bold quarry
weary bear
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Was Skelly really joking to zag about wanting to be released from being beaten up continuously and being a ship captain?? or was he lying about that prank

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What if skelly wants to really escape from being a dummy

atomic forge
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i think he really does like getting beaten up haha

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zag at some point threatens to never beat him up again and he caves, but i don't remember what zag was trying to achieve lol

weary bear
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how could you know you're not skelly

weary bear
atomic forge
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i think that was actually zag trying to get skelly to reveal what he really was in life, so you'll eventually see whether or not he really was a ship captain :)

proud maple
atomic forge
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yeah you're right

rancid quail
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I enjoy how apparently Than and Zag's story arc could have been half as long, if they didn't suck at communicating with each other zaglol

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Zag's love languages are words of affirmation and giving gifts, and Than's is acts of service, and they've both been yelling I LOVE YOU at each other at top volume in their respective languages for ages and not hearing each other at all 🙃

rancid field
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to be fair i think many of us have similar issues we could've worked out faster if communicating with other people wasn't so difficult lol

than's "tsch. forget it" *poof* cracks me up every time tho

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come back!! talk to me!

rancid quail
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"Why do you keep helping me all the time?" "Why do you insist on giving me all this stuff I didn't ask for?" arrrgghhh

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Than doesn't do words, seems like. And Zag is 87% words by volume. 🤔

open berry
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i mean the vast majority of conflicts within the game are even conflicts bc no one knows how to communicate.

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communication problems, the game

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which. fair i guess. a bunch of immortals with very human emotions but not a human understanding of those emotions

atomic forge
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lol as if we were great at communication

open berry
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we are not but we also dont start trials of combat with godly powers the moment we feel offended either 🤧

tiny sequoia
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well speak for yourself lmao

rancid field
hard rose
rancid quail
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Zag needs some words of affirmation so badly 😭

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this boy is running all over hell trying his darndest to make himself as appealing and lovable as possible to as many people as possible, in a desperate bid to stuff some affection into the great big hole in his heart where his dad's love was supposed to be.

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if it weren't for Achilles and Nyx, he'd be about a fifth as functional and healthy as he is.

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--I mean, ahem! A fun game about fighting ghosts in hell! 8D

plush fox
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Is Zag actually the god of blood or is that just a thing Achilles thought?

open berry
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up to player interpretation more than anything. its not something mythos zagreus was known for

zinc spade
hard rose
hard rose
edgy aurora
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I found the way personal space was treated really nice

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Even though there was a lot of conflict initially the way everyone respected one another's boundaries was really nice to see in a game without cheesy lines

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Felt real healthy

sterile blaze
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Did Than and Meg have a thing?

edgy aurora
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Oh boy, they all have a thing

atomic forge
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and we love that

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also, ares' obvious crush on nyx is so cute :3

hard rose
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Ares is like "don't mind if I slide into your parents' polycule"...
and on that day, Zag was reminded that he's very much a Greek god.

tender oxide
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I like how chaos tells you to beat hades with his egg because "itll be funny"

tidal vault
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That's pretty much Master Chaos' thing

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Everything they do, they do it because they believe it'll be interesting and amusing

atomic forge
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smh did you just misgender my buddy chaos

tidal vault
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I don't think you can even gender Chaos

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They're the Alpha. If their design is any indication, it's possible that the forces that Chaos birthed just kinda popped off of them.
Like Athena did with Zeus

rancid quail
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Well, technically Zeus ate Athena's mother while she was pregnant, then had Athena escape out the top of his head, if you want to get into the mythological nitty gritty 🤣

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But I am 100% here for Chaos just budding 👍

hard rose
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Zeus missed out on the Parental Vore Experience so he had to make up for it xD

rancid quail
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Quit eating each other, Greek gods! it's extremely upsetting!

hard rose
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ngl when Hades told Zag his father was worse than Zag's I was initially like "sounds like gaslighting but ok"

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then I read up on what actually happened and

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hesGotAPoint.gif

rancid quail
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Cronus! Real bad!! D:

tidal vault
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Cronus

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Good Lord.

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Hades is not exaggerating on that front

hard rose
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all of Zeus' siblings have developed a sense of when he gets drunk enough to start telling the "I rescued ALL of you from Vore" story for the 34353452'th time

tidal vault
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Also explains why Demeter went full-medieval on her dad's behind with Malphon

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She BEAT HIM SO HARD, SHE KILLED HIS LEGACY.

rancid quail
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I mean you could just call it cannibalism, I'm pretty sure there was no sexual motive 🙄

fierce estuary
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there could be a sexual motive

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u never know

hard rose
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oh is that sexual, I just thought it meant eating whole

tidal vault
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It's disturbing enough without that, thanks.

rancid quail
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Yeah

fierce estuary
rancid quail
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Vore is specifically having a fetish for being swallowed, don't look it up!

hard rose
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I actually looked it up before, maybe I just selectively forgot

fierce estuary
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not swallowed

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but i wont get into it

rancid quail
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Yeah, I'm trying to be delicate, there are rules here 🤣

fierce estuary
hard rose
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the first time I heard of it was in the context of doing it to Switch cartridges so.....

fierce estuary
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uh

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wat

tidal vault
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TL;DR, the Titans were a-holes

rancid quail
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Anyway! Cronus was a baby-eating nightmare man! 0/10 parenting, do not recommend!

tidal vault
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Honestly, that the Olympians are only this dysfunctional is a miracle in and of itself

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Cronus was that bad

rancid quail
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At least Hades wasn't so paranoid of being overthrown by his son that he ate him alive at birth

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It's a very very very low bar but he did clear it 🤣

tidal vault
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He geniunely loved Persephone

hard rose
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Zag has been eyerolling at dad's disparaging comments about his grandparents until one time he went with mom to Olympus and heard the story from uncle Zeus

tidal vault
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And dialogue from Zag and a few intros from Hades made it clear that Hades did try to raise him

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Dusa will ask why Zag speaks with a surface accent

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Zag says its because Hades taught him, but wonders if it might be in the blood

hard rose
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the bar was below the ground and every generation digs it up by a little

hard rose
tidal vault
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Yeah, that's understandable

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A lot of problems in Greek Mythology involved Zeus and Hera

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At first I was wondering why Hera isn't providing Boons, but then, she's infamously territorial

hard rose
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at least she gave her bow

tidal vault
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Hestia is a bit more questionable though

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Goddess of the Home, Hearth, and Family, after all

rancid quail
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Hera mostly cursed people and turned them into things as revenge for being assaulted "seduced" by her husband

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Ares already has cursing on lock and turning people into things is a hard mechanic to work into the gameplay 🤣

atomic forge
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let's not forget none of them are foster siblings in the original myth, they're just incredibly incestuous

rancid quail
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Honestly Zag is lucky she didn't hear Zeus joking about being his real dad, she was infamously cruel to her husband's illegitimate children 😑

tidal vault
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Oh God

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If she heard

hard rose
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negative boons

tidal vault
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Or sudden negative modifiers from out of nowhere

hard rose
tidal vault
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I had to pause

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I probably ended up looking like the awkward seal when I heard that

hard rose
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Zag relays this to his parents and Persephone just melts to the floor laughing while Hades silently puts his face down on the desk

rancid quail
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I enjoy the way Greg leaned in on making Zeus a complete egotistical ass with zero self awareness

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Poseidon best uncle, y/y?

tidal vault
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At least Poseidon is somewhat charming in his blowhardy-ness

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However you describe that

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I find Zeus' imperious attitude a lot less amusing

rancid quail
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He just really loves fishing and watching Theseus get his butt kicked, it's very relatable

hard rose
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game Poseidon is my husband ❤️

tidal vault
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Poseidon's Duo boons tho

hard rose
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as inaccurate as it is, I still call Sea Storm the Himbo Uncle Duo

rancid quail
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I feel like Poseidon was a himbo in his younger days

tidal vault
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It's funny that the Olympians are using this all to make a good impression on Zag

rancid quail
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Dionysus seems to have picked up that mantle for the next generation

tidal vault
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ESPECIALLY Athena and Aphrodite

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COUGH
Trojan War
COUGH

rancid quail
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I keep seeing people calling Zag a himbo and it's like ?????

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He's a little clueless sometimes, but he's nowhere near dumb enough to be a himbo 🤣

tidal vault
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Of course he'd be a bit of a himbo

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I'd say Zag is less dumb and more inexperienced.

hard rose
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mmm

tidal vault
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Like, he relates Hermes' symbol to bat wings instead of bird wings

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Because he's never seen a bird in his life

stuck kettle
rancid quail
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Yeah, he's ignorant, not stupid

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He's the male version of the Spirited Young Princess archetype, haha

hard rose
tidal vault
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He's bad at parchmentwork, and administrating the dead, but he's a good student, from what Achilles notes in his Codex

rancid quail
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"I have zero worldly experience but I received an excellent classical education!" 💕

tidal vault
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Also, if Achilles and the Keepsakes are right, Zagreus is the God of Blood and Life

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Administrating the dead wouldn't just be out of his wheelhouse, it'd be anathemical to him

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No wonder he sucks at it

rancid quail
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I wonder who taught him to speak so graciously? It had to be Nyx, right?

atomic forge
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hades taught him i think

tidal vault
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Hades

hard rose
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Nyx and Achilles probably helped (a lot) with mannerisms

atomic forge
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when a character says "it's in the blood"

rancid quail
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I mean, he got his accent from Hades for sure! I just meant his phrasing

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You know he never learned from Hades how to be like, "Dearest So-and-so, your kindness and gracious support have meant the world to me in the midst of my struggles, I can never thank you enough but I hope this small token will begin to express my gratitude," etc etc 🤣

night abyss
# tidal vault He's the God of Parties, Wine, and (in some circles) Madness

Iirc, irl he was originally primarily a god of madness, wine and parties following after, the madness aspect fading away because polite society was angy about it. Hence why even after it stopped being prevalent you still get things like the occasional mention of his long lost horns, and his followers tearing people to pieces

fickle comet
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Lady Nyx raised him like one of her own, and Master Achilles is his mentor.

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So yeah.

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And Hades showed him who not to be.

hard rose
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more stuff from my switch clips cleanout - Persephone asking if Zag is ok with her and Hades being all PDA around the house is so cute

open shale
frosty stirrup
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One thing the mortals have on us is that they quickly become men. This is the Fury, Megaera. She will... accelerate the process in your case.
what the Hell is that supposed 2 mean because my mind jumped to “arranged marriage” and i doubt that’s it LOL

fierce estuary
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i assume its sex

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or it could be good old fighting

night abyss
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Aphrodite makes me really uncomfortable with a lot of her dialogue. You'd think the goddess of love would be better at noticing when people aren't into her. Or at least would figure out Achilles is gay faster, but yet. And then when she figured that out she tried to flirt with Zag and it was even MORE weird

open berry
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shes flirtatious but shes not really flirting with zag

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she has a line higher in her affinity where she reminds zag that shes married

tiny sequoia
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Some gods SGG have really unique takes on, and others...

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Not that I have any better ideas on how to write aphro

night abyss
hard rose
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I felt so vindicated that after the epilogue she was surprised that Hades had a lover, because I hardcore read him as demi/asexual so it just flew over her head

night abyss
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See, she regularly cheated on her husband with Ares

hard rose
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Plus Artemis was also pleasantly like "oh yeah I met your dad (and ACHILLES ⭐)"

night abyss
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Artemis is so good in this game I love what they've done with her

hard rose
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she's so happy to meet her idol AND an older ace

upbeat willow
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Artemis exudes so much ace energy, I love it bittieAww

night abyss
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Same

open berry
# night abyss See, she regularly cheated on her husband with Ares

no. i take issue with that. if you've actually looked into mythos you would know 1) aphrodite was married against her will, either by zeus or hera 2) ares was nothing but respectful toward aphrodite and often times she was one of the only ones that could calm him down 3) ares is the only male olympian that has no records of forcing himself upon anyone

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i have great distaste for aph and ares getting blamed for continuing their relationship when aph was not given a choice in marriage

night abyss
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I know this. It still doesn't change the fact being married doesn't stop her from doing things outside of the marriage even if it is understandable why she did it.

open berry
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within the narrative of hades the game aphrodite is flirtatious more than anything lmao

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being flirtatious and actually flirting with someone are two different things

ruby schooner
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hephaestus seems to be fine with the whole arrangement, if i recall

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he seems to be one of the least problematic olympians by modern standards

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just wants to build stuff, gets overlooked

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oh, though there were his magical traps, now that i think of it. make of those what you will

tiny sequoia
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The aphrodite marriage can be read as a twisted joke against him

rancid field
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yeah i didnt take the marriage line as a "i am not flirting with you btw" indicator but as like "just so you're aware" ig. here is the full line

You do know that I'm married, don't you, love...? I'd forgive you if you didn't, for my husband, he's always... busy with his work. I'm grateful that you're there for me to talk to.

i guess i interpreted "busy with his work" as a lil ? suggestive ? sorry, i don't think that's the right word, but like - "i have a husband, but he's never around" with someone you have been flirting with and/or flirtatious towards, it didnt feel like a clarification of Not Flirting when i read it

open berry
# ruby schooner mars does, though ares doesn’t

i said ares, idk why the mars clarification is needed. ares and mars are depicted very differently. i'm just saying that i dislike the immediate need to make ares and aphrodite the bad guys in the situation when its overall more complicated than "ohh she was cheating 🙄 "

night abyss
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Hey I never said she was a bad person. She is but for other reasons. I'm just saying that "I have a husband" isn't a very good "I'm not flirting with you" if you're known to cheat on your husband regardless of the moral implications

fickle comet
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Monogamy is not a moral imperative. She can have relationships with whoever she likes.

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And Zagreus is most certainly into her.

scarlet tide
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Are you discussing relationship of greek gods?

fickle comet
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I think a lot of people forget that there are lot of versions and interpretations by a lot of different authors throughout history in the first place.

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And Hades is not bound by any of them, either.

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What we know of Lady Aphrodite in Hades is what we know from the game. Everything beyond that is speculation.

atomic forge
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yeah i think how the relations between the olympians are written, being foster siblings and all, makes it pretty clear that sgg intended to take out the problematic stuff

fierce estuary
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what are u doing step sibling

pliant mesa
fierce estuary
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its not problematic

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dont worry

pliant mesa
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gud gud

atomic forge
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i mean it's still kinda there lol, zag does have a relationship with his foster siblings haha

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but they're gods so is oki :)

jolly summit
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The explicitly do not mention certain parts and made it a little less wild, but it's still very much ✨ problematic ✨

atomic forge
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tbqh, i wouldn't consider a consensual relationship between foster siblings problematic exactly. it is... out there, but there's no skewed power dynamic that would make consent difficult, and they're both adults

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and i think you can absolutely change the story to make it appropriate. it's just that, a story

jolly summit
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There is a number of reasons why foster relationships are odd, while not outright Dangerous to potential offspring, and I am not saying that you can't change a story, but at the end of the day the ancient Greek mythos is riddled with things we view problematic nowadays, partially because morals have shifted and also because the characters in these stories are still gods. Theyre, to some degree, liberated of moral dilemmas as characters.
And Hades, at the end of the day, draws inspiration from these sources. They don't mention a lot of the problematic parts and made active efforts to dispell a lot of it as 'well it's actually just lost in retellings what actually happened and mortals came up with dumb shizzle' but i dunno, the original myths and stories included a lot of Bad Stuff™

tender oxide
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to get posidon's last affinity heart, do I need to get a perfect catch/

fickle comet
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Not according to the wiki, no. Just a minimum of 18 fish.

tender oxide
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ah alright

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guess Ive just never seen him after catching a fish

fickle comet
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Could also just be that you were getting other dialogue from him first.

tidal vault
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Lotta dialogue to go through

tender oxide
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I have over 100 fish, doubt it but maybe

zinc spade
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Poseidon was my last heart to unlock, it took me ages

open berry
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you need to have a fish on hand when you talk to him

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beyond that is good ol rng

hard rose
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Thanks dad, love you too

hard rose
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those dad lines make me feel like I'm being rewarded for poor skill LOL, 10/10 would die again

tender oxide
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Have you tried using dads greater call against him?

rose axle
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i do wonder what would happen

hard rose
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yes, I have a compilation of his reactions actually

ruby schooner
ruby schooner
tender oxide
hard rose
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Zag's reaction to buying the Charon Well item that trades health for money is also hilarious

zinc spade
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Oh yes I love those « ugh more obols, more suffering »

hard rose
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suffering in success

jolly summit
# ruby schooner it's the problem with trying to adapt ancient mythologies. i don't think anyone'...

Percy Jackson played in America, that alone makes me laugh in incorrigible passive agression ✨ ✨ ✨ but no, seriously i don't really mind the fact that people change up the story. I also don't exactly mind that the Greek mythos is what it is. It is a product of it's time and we evolved at a society.

I guess i just dislike the idea of acting like Greek mythos is just a bunch of stuff that you can just change hilly billy with no consequences, because at the end of the day reinterpretation are just that. Reinterpretations.

ruby schooner
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i don’t know of anyone who has tried to push forward their version of the myths as the True Version. at this point, most ancient mythological systems aren’t believed today, and are treated the same as fairy tales and legends: they can be readapted and changed, even drastically, to fit different ideas without causing offence

atomic forge
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in 200 years someone's gonna make a fighting game where you beat up dudes in temples as jesus

narrow trench
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and boy oh boy I cannot wait for that game

jolly summit
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Omg, i want

jolly summit
ruby schooner
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true, and it’s more of a #off-topic-discussion topic anyway. my point is: everybody knows that reinterpretations are just that and nothing more

night abyss
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No no no I'm a prophet my words are the correct words and you should believe everything I say without question /j

rancid quail
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Iirc there's already a story about Jesus beating dudes up in a temple, it's called the Bible 🤣

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Famously lost his temper with people selling stuff in a temple and chased them out with a whip, haha

hard rose
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yeah but not a game about it

rancid quail
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Give it time 😆

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I'd play that game for sure, Jesus vs. capitalism sign me up

hard rose
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SGG @ ancient Greeks: hey you know that OC you made up and gave 4 lines of story to? he's ours now

hard rose
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQlOk4CmN9A

not sure if this can go into fanworks but I cobbled together a bunch of post-credits Persephone and Hades for personal shipping purposes

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Hades - Assorted Hades/Persephone post-credits interactions

I loved the dynamic between Hades and Persephone, so here's a compilation of some Content related to them, be it them talking to each other, one of them mentioning the other, or other characters mentioning both of them. All are post-credits, since all the other story compilations on youtube only cover stuff before.

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night delta
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theres something incredibly funny abt chaos just asking you to take their egg up to the surface.and them being satisfied with the result

hard rose
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they even ohoho when you beat dad

rose axle
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i noticed

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it was a satisfying moment

tidal vault
hard rose
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I want to eventually make a compilation of all Hades reactions to various purchases, and haven't found the time yet

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(the last clip is from my first file which has more decor :D)

zinc spade
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Does anyone know how many like story lines/bits there are? I'm thinking of starting a new file to re-visit the story, but I want to make sure I got all of them first. The ones I know are || 1. getting persephone back 2. getting the olympians to come the house 3. all the favours (I have all the max bonds) 4. dusa getting fired 5. minotaur signature for hypnos 6. nyx + ares 7. all the romance options ||

hard rose
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there's some minor stuff that you prob got along the way like ||Getting Zag, Hypnos and Dusa on the employee of the week board||

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Oh and ||Theseus and Asterius' "breakup"|| that took me over 150 runs to trigger

frozen jolt
atomic forge
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hm that asterius autograph thing kinda sucks :/
i don't really want to intentionally die :/

tiny sequoia
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You don't have to do these!

hard rose
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treat it as a resource farming run

atomic forge
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yeah but i want to!

hard rose
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Take Posi's keepsake and roll for ocean's bounty / huge catch

frozen jolt
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the autograph is so worth it

zinc spade
modest loom
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Wonder what triggers the breakup. I got it in less than 30 runs.

atomic forge
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olympians big meanies

modest loom
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What is a himbo

atomic forge
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an attractive, kind and a somewhat dumb man
i think it fits ares' vibe

night delta
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unrelated, Poseidon's hair looks rlly soft

hard rose
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I think Poseidon is more a himbo, Ares is too chill to be one

modest loom
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All the male characters, besides Orpheus, are himbos

open berry
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and ares is absolutely not a himbo rofl

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ares is... not dumb. not sure what gave you that impression, he absolutely displays a cold, calculating nature

hard rose
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I think some degree of high-energyness is also needed

modest loom
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Yeah that's an odd definition. I'm assuming there is no official one if that's what you decided to use

rancid field
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it's internet slang so "official definition" is an odd request

modest loom
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Well something that doesnt look like a reddit post lol

rancid field
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(tumblr)

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if u google "himbo" tho it's

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an attractive but unintelligent man.

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if you want to use that as your official one. that's what google gives you

modest loom
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Zagreus is a himbo

hard rose
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Well it's likely that it comes from "male bimbo", so the point of reference is prob this:

rancid field
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yes

tiny sequoia
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I'm not sure ares is even that built to be honest? He's not top 5 in the hades cast

modest loom
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Zagreus is very unintelligent but is made to be pretty attractive. Himbo?

tiny sequoia
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though maybe it's just armor in the way

hard rose
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so kindness is not a necessity, but if one is nasty then they're just mean, lol

open berry
rancid field
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zagreus can be reasonably interpreted as a himbo imo. not ares or most of the other cast

hard rose
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Zag can be headstrong but don't think he's unintelligent

rancid field
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thats tru

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he's not. dumb in any sense of the word rly

hard rose
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he's maaaayybe a tad naive but not dumb, yeah

night delta
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ares is definitely built lol, most of the Male characters are save for orpheus and hypnos I think

hard rose
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this is the actual himbo squad:

rancid field
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poseidon is the strongest case for himbos in hades

hard rose
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yes I know they're awful in myths but they're glossed over in the games story

atomic forge
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i think ares gives me himbo vibes because of his relationship with nyx

tiny sequoia
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I never unlocked that dialogue, apparently you can't get it post-epilogue?

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sad

atomic forge
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it happens gradually, just keep playing

fickle comet
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himbo
slang
: an attractive but empty-headed man

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From Merriam-Webster's Unabridged Dictionary.

night abyss
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Like, the men in greek myths tended to be big strong men with 0 iq

rancid quail
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Dionysus gives me some himbo vibes, he's got the essential kindness as well as being absurdly hot and not apparently super bright

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Zag is too smart and well-spoken to be a himbo, he's just very inexperienced/naive but ignorance =/= stupidity

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(Speaking of which, at what point does it come up that he doesn't know what birds are?)

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(I keep seeing references to this but I have yet to encounter it in-game...)

tiny sequoia
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one of the death messages says that zag doesn't see rattlesnakes as threats and so he gets bit by one and dies