#h1-story-discussion

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tiny sequoia
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I think zag should be able to gift himself nectar

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he deserves it

zinc belfry
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Zag is a good boy and deserves all the nectar

unreal zodiac
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zag definitely deserves some nectar, maybe than or meg will give him some back from all that they’ve stored from him

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lord dionysus i gave my nectar to everyone bc everyone is HOT 🥵

hard rose
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(epilogue) ||hades|| does actually give you back all the nectars after reaching max bond

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my reaction was "I know I'm supposed to feel bummed but CERB MORE FOR YOU"

brave spoke
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Cerberus is best boy

vivid wraith
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Cerberus was my first bond forged

stuck kettle
zinc belfry
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My first bond forged was Thanatos, and if that doesn't show how gay I am, I don't know what does

night delta
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I wanna romance than, he grew on me and I was a lil bummed when it turned out you cant Romance hypnos

zinc belfry
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Thanatos and Meg grew on me super fast

hard rose
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I'm too musioromantic and capped Orpheus and Eurydice before anyone else even though I knew they were taken

night delta
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question, for the place of revelry prophesy, what do I do for it

tiny sequoia
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Buy stuff for the house

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And buy a rug and clean up the mess

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And then talk to dusa

night delta
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I've done that, the welcome rug and fur. guess I have to wait for dusa now

stuck kettle
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I think you have to buy more than that

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I remember hearing it was 10 different things, but I have no idea if that's accurate

night delta
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shadedisgruntled shadedisgruntled shadedisgruntled well we'll see

vivid wraith
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I thought it was only lounge items

stuck kettle
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yeah

zinc belfry
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It is only the lounge items, yes. Which lounge items specifically is a good question.

open berry
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iirc it didn't matter outside of the specific requirement of needing at minimum one rug

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i'd have to check again

sinful quarry
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I just got the 10 wins ending :O

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25 hours in so far

open berry
sinful quarry
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I'm not really sure I understand the story given reason for continuing to escape, Persephone says it's to make sure the gods don't realize you're not trying to get to Olympus, but if you have all the gods meet up then surely they're going to realize

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I guess Hades' reason of testing security makes a little sense, but it feels weak

open berry
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this is wrapped up in the epilogue

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the gods don't know that zag is perse's son, they don't know where perse even was, and if zag stopped his attempts (bc he was trying to find his mother, who is now in the underworld) then the olympians would grow suspicious and investigate, which in turn would cause issue if they discover perse's whereabouts

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remember that demeter's whole deal is that her daughter is missing and she froze the surface in her grief

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so zag keeps up the pretense of trying to escape, while they figure out a plan to address the whole situation

quasi ravine
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Just wondering, My friend has been playing through the game and hasnt been getting any progression dialogue regarding anything etc. (Weapon Aspects, Story, Prophecies) for a long time and he has been giving nectar to everyone and talking to them whenever he gets the chance. Is there a reason for this? or just luck based dialogue.

tiny sequoia
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hidden aspects unlock based on how much titan blood you spend

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the main story progresses every time you beat the final boss, until you reach credits

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prophecies can be all sorts of things

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but yeah dialogue is very luck based

quasi ravine
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yeah cool he was doing everything correctly as i had told him, guess he is just getting unlucky

night delta
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oh to experience the ending again and see zag and persephone take the boat downwards to tartarus and be blown away by in the blood again

limber marsh
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who would win? Demeter vs Nyx?

fickle comet
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Lady Nyx, naturally.

hard rose
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Nyx, she's like, the second or third being to be born ever

supple dagger
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Second?

brave spoke
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Nyx was able to threaten Zeus I think
So yeah Nyx can destroy Demeter in like an actual fight (but they don’t really have any reason to fight)

night delta
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chaos was the first, we dont know if there was someone else born before nyx

supple dagger
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It would be interesting if Nyx happened to have a sister that's more or less on the surface for Day/Light.

hard rose
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That's Hemera, another of Nyx's daughters

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Nyx's sibling is Erebus

tiny sequoia
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That's funny, erebus is also a place in the game

unreal zodiac
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yeah, a lot of places/things are also gods, or the god is the personification of the place/thing sometimes from my understanding!

open berry
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just as hades refers not only to the god, but hades in itself refers to a place

green delta
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did sgg/greg ever address why everyone is so mean to hypnos?

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like than and nyx are downright cruel??

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i know hes like comic relief or whatever but i feel like their meanness is a bit much/out of place. especially considering nyx was apparently a good mom to zag & zag tries to help everyone with their problems but is rude to hypnos for some reason/doesnt care about the troubled relationship between him and nyx

tiny sequoia
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Hypnos does deserve better

open berry
vale knot
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They're setting up the origin story for Hades 2: This time it's personal

vivid wraith
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Hades says there is no escape from here, you think I haven’t tried?

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Clearly setting up the plot for the prequel to Hades

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Couldn’t mean anything else

hard rose
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Will Zag ever take a jab at dad for never making his bed

night delta
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usually i don't mind messy rooms but zag's gives me a fury like ive never felt before, it's not even that bad but i need to organize

hard rose
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wait... Zag's room is messy?

zinc belfry
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Meanwhile, Zagreus and Hades' exchange about his room being "not as boring" compared to Hades' room spoke to me on a personal level

hard rose
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I took one look and went "what do you Mean this is messy, almost all the floor is visible "

night delta
zinc belfry
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Zag and I are the same in that yes, room is messy, but do I care? No: it adds flair

hard rose
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and sneaky traps for intruders

night delta
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i need to save up gems to get cerbie a toy, the good ( old ) boy deserves one

hard rose
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I'm taking the bowl of poms beside Hades' bed as an implication that he (or Perse) eats them in bed

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for me Zag's desk is fine since there's actual room to lay something flat

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my room is like if the chest of clothes is emptied all over the floor with books both on top and below it

night delta
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i wanna rummage through the chest, see what he has hoarded

hard rose
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So Zag's room is like, pristine by my standards

zinc belfry
hard rose
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(you can get TWO [2])

night delta
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YEAH ONE'S A TEDDY AND THE OTHER A BALL, I'M NOT SURE WHEN YOU GET THEM THO

tiny sequoia
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gotta get his hearts high enough

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give him da nectar

hard rose
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it's under the great hall tab

night delta
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aquire toy for the pubby

zinc belfry
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CERBY IMMA GIVE YOU ALL THE NECTAR YOU VERY GOOD BOY

brave spoke
brave spoke
night delta
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ISJHDFGHJIKMFG
DOGGY LOVE

brave spoke
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CERBERUS IS STRONGER THEN ALL THE GODS AND THIS IS FACT
THE POWER OF GOOD BOI IS STRONGER THEN ANYTHING ELSE

night delta
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"Cerberus guarded the entrance to Hades in Greek mythology. Cerberus could be appeased with a cake, or lulled to sleep with lyre music." THIS IS SO FUNNY

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bring a cake to the guard of the underworld

green delta
brave spoke
night delta
night delta
brave spoke
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What if Achilles told Zagreus bedtime stories

night delta
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little zag all wide eyed listening to them....oh my heart

green delta
night delta
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BRO SAME

green delta
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NICE!!

night delta
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also dunno if he has cannonical height, but isn't zag like
short short
bc honestly this brings so many scenarios to draw

open berry
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i feel like, realistically speaking, zag is smaller than any other npc model (even orpheus and eurydice) for gameplay purposes bc of hitboxes and stuff. but no one has a canonical height, so free real estate

night delta
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yeah probably considering his model, from his perspective, can barely even see hades when he gets close to his desk

atomic forge
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I think he and Theseus are the same height.

hard rose
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I feel hades is a lot bigger when he's sitting down

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not to mention the chair is pretty high

night delta
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even when hades is standing, he's still pretty big compared to zag

open berry
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zag and theseus are roughly the same but all the same my personal belief is that the ingame models arent necessarily representative of the actual character heights lol i reject things like tall hypnos cause i dont like it

night delta
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i like to think hypnos and than seem taller cause they float

atomic forge
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Aren't he and Than twins?

night delta
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ye

atomic forge
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Then I maintain they're the same height.

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Hypnos just slouches/lounges a lot.

hard rose
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the picture you get after credits is probably the best reference

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but it's still relative proportions

open berry
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i just prefer small hypnos over tall hypnos or same height as than bc i prefer the idea of a near primordial being with unfathomable power stored within a small unassuming body, much more entertaining to me than tall lanky hypnos

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personal preference

hard rose
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chair highness

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somehow managed to clip it out from behind the desk while idly dashing around Cerb

brave spoke
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The chair seems to be as high as Cerberus lol

night delta
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i forget the game's lighting is supposed to be darker bc i have it all the way up

zinc belfry
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Zagreus is short because short king representation

Also, he is, I believe canonically, roughly the same height as Theseus, as he showed frustration at Asterius calling him "short one" while Theseus gets called "king"

Also, yes, I need more young Zag content in my life and Achilles telling Zag bedtime stories

open berry
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the game relies a lot on like. relative information. you have a vague idea of relative ages, relative time periods, relative physical attributes, but very little is actually confirmed

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probably deliberate so the player is free to come to their own conclusions

zinc belfry
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Well, we can at least know he is shorter than Asterius...which...is a pretty low bar height wise...pun somewhat intended

open berry
zinc belfry
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The shorter the king, the taller the crown as they say lmao

night delta
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i want more young zag stuff too honestly

zinc belfry
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And puppy Cebby pls

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As a writer, I would gladly make this stuff myself, but idk what would be a good plot to explore for young Zag and the crew

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I remember seeing some baby Zag art from one of my favorite artists. Lemme go digging

night delta
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young zag playing with a younger cerbie ( he's not got the gray round his muzzle just yet as i like to think in the game )

zinc belfry
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Prime content right here

unreal zodiac
unreal zodiac
zinc belfry
night delta
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poor orpheus, I got the dialogue between dio and zag where it's the "we're connected thing"

zinc belfry
night delta
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honestly I fell in love with him the first time he appeared, hes trying his best

zinc belfry
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Zag: plays a joke on Orpheus
Orpheus: believes it and creates a whole ass hymn dedicated to Zag
Zag: Wait, no-

zinc belfry
hard rose
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I maxed his hearts before anyone else's on my regular "didn't know what I was doing" file

zinc belfry
hard rose
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my only other file is "let's try hell mode how bad can it be"

zinc belfry
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That is probably a file I would create during a manic episode and then go into a long term depressive episode over /hj

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I am very insistent on my casual gameplay: I just want story with interactive elements ;-;

night delta
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hades: this fish is taunting me
zag: do...do you want me to get rid of it or-?
hades: no I'll do it myself

zinc belfry
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I feel like a lot of Hades and Zagreus interaction have the vibe of that convo. I can't find the words to describe it at the moment, but it just has that vibe

rotund ether
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I'd like to imagine Hades uses his spear to fish

zinc belfry
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Headcanon that Hades should have been god of the sea instead of Poseidon

hard rose
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Well considering that apparently, in some myth branches Poseidon used to rule the underworld as well

zinc belfry
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OwO?

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Even in-game, Hades said Poseidon was never good with Stygius and ended up using the spear aka his trident, supposedly taking the credit from Hades

hard rose
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Mmm

zinc belfry
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Poseidon be thinking that Zagreus' fishing skills come from him, but it really came from Hades

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Hades be tired of all of his brothers' bs is understandable sibling material

hard rose
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the forever tired oldest sibling vibe

zinc belfry
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Funny enough, I am the eldest sibling, but my sister is the tired one...well, depending on how you look at it, we're both tired, just in different ways, but she is definitely tired in the way that eldest siblings are supposed to be

hard rose
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yeah it can depend on personalities

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eldest can also be chaotic enabler

zinc belfry
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Tis I, the chaotic enabler

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We eldest children usually are the guinea pigs tho: younger siblings always have it easy lol

hard rose
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true

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so in the chinese translation, one of Persephone's lines "...admired paintings of him (Hades). It was very awkward at first" turned into "admired paintings by him although they really weren't great at first"

zinc belfry
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I NEED HEADCANONS OF HADES PAINTING STAT

hard rose
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which means, in the chinese script canon, Hades draws/paints in his spare time and I will die on this hill

zinc belfry
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We will die together, my friend

hard rose
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Wonder if it's been patched... hopefully not

zinc belfry
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Even if it is, this will remain true in our hearts

hard rose
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which means headcanon branch: he doodles during shade court sessions

zinc belfry
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I need myself young Hades doodling in his spare time

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And then when he realizes he is making more and more doodles/paintings related to Persephone, he has that "oh...OH" moment and just chef's kiss

rotund ether
hard rose
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he hides the first 253525 attempts bc they're not Perfect but Persephone finds them and thinks it's the Cutest Thing Ever

zinc belfry
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Hades both dying of embarrassment and swelling with pride over this

rotund ether
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Love that

night delta
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than calling zag a deadbeat is so I love these dweebs,

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HAHA I CAN ROMANCE HIM

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aw shoot I wanna romance meg too tho :(

zinc belfry
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You can romance both!

zinc belfry
night delta
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RIGHT? I like to think it isnt the first time he called him that

zinc belfry
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Thanatos is the kind of person who uses insults for everyone, but it's clear which insults are used menacingly and which are used affectionately.

Than, you're a hopeless romantic: get over it and kiss Zag and Meg

night delta
rotund ether
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Just max out both of their bonds

night delta
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ah ok ok

zinc belfry
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Hehehe, I am so close to doing that

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I just need to wait for everything to fall into place

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laughs in not-so-evil disaster bisexual

unreal zodiac
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i’ve officially romanced them both, new bisexual levels unlocked

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also yes 100% loved when than called him a deadbeat, poor death incarnate

night delta
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cant believe than and meg are moronsexual

unreal zodiac
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honestly? i get it

tiny sequoia
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Zag........... zag hot

night delta
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^

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me, stopping timing myself to be less frustrated abt time:

hermes: you good? you need help? uhhhh, heres a boon ig

fiery cobalt
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Just got the epilouge. Never thought I'd get so much ambrosia

arctic flax
atomic forge
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Hermes will comment if you toggle the in-game timer.

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I don't know if he does for Tight Deadline.

open berry
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he does, forced overtime too

night delta
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anyway holds than, megs, tisiphones, asterius' and dusas ( she doesnt have any i know ) hands

rose axle
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How much ambrosia do u get I wonder

rotund ether
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Well you get 100 if you do 20 heat with every weapon and then there's also the broker and some prophecies(?)

rose axle
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Whaaat

rotund ether
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Wait no, 120 there's 6 weapons

agile maple
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120, plus the epilogue prophecy alone is another 20

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*126, counting Heat 0

rotund ether
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Oh yeah. Math is hard

sleek crane
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this is really nothing special

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but i love how i just got back to the house

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and hades is like "boy... erm, zagreus" because ||persephone|| was there

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which makes me realise he only calls me "boy" when at the end of styx now

hard rose
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beautiful

agile maple
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Nature is healing

brave spoke
sleek crane
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pretty much yeah magikkek magikkek

unreal zodiac
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i also would’ve greeted cerberus first at the gates

torpid vine
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Honestly, yeah. Then Charon, 'cause if I don't pay, he'd let Cerb eat me.

zinc belfry
night delta
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praise the doggy for being a good guardian

zinc belfry
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I am still reeling about SGG crediting their dogs' voice acting work as Cerberus

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They're good dogs, Brent

unreal zodiac
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they deserve the credit, unproblematic faves

cerulean zodiac
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Hey all. What pacts do I need to activate to get all of the || slashed benefits || enemies?

lament epoch
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Benefits package

atomic forge
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how chaos can control the rarity of the boons ?

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aren't this thing is controlled by the gods ?

tiny sequoia
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Chaos is a god

vivid wraith
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Plot convenience

tiny sequoia
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Also, I think they're one of the oldest ones

vivid wraith
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Thats how

atomic forge
tiny sequoia
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God of random

frozen jolt
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if eurydice does it by giving you really good food, they can probably just do it as well. theyre pretty powerful

tiny sequoia
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Oh yeah Ariadne is also a human isn't she

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Or, she was

brave spoke
tiny sequoia
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And then she got turned into a spider by aphrodite or some other jealous god

brave spoke
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As far as I know in actual Greek myth, the only spider related one was Arachne, where she basically boasted that she’s better then the gods, and then Athena and Arachne did a weaving competition, where afterwards Athena turned Arachne into a spider

tiny sequoia
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Oh huh I must have confused the two

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I thought they were the same!

brave spoke
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They have similar names so yeah. We also don’t really know the entirety of Greek myth as well

ruby schooner
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dionysus found ariadne there (they got married): i think there's actually some dialogue from dionysus in Hades that references this, which i found cool

open finch
hard rose
zinc belfry
upbeat willow
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Theseus also has dialogue if you bring ariadne's yarn into the fight

open berry
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*multiple dialogue

shut vigil
hard rose
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It's the call

calm birch
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i love these little interactions

fiery cobalt
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What happens after the ||feast||

atomic forge
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A bit of incidental dialogue and you can complete Demeter's bond.

rancid quail
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I feel strangely pleased that I took out both Alecto and Tisiphone on my first try? As crazy as fighting Meg drove me, it feels like it would be an insult to her if I let them succeed where she's begun to fail.

night delta
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alectos the easiest of the sisters imo esp woth the right boons

zinc belfry
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For me, Tis is the quickest for me to beat. Also, Tisiphone is best girl material

night delta
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tisi: murrr....murderer
me: yeah same

zinc belfry
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I feel like Tis and Charon would get along

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Also, headcanon that Charon knows sign language and tries to teach Tisiphone

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But the only signs that seem to stick are signs related to murder and stuff

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Ah, the woes of being a Fury 😔

tiny sequoia
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how come 3 immortal torturers are weaker than 1 big pile of bones

zinc belfry
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The Bone Hyrda was actually easier to beat for me.

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Meg took me forever to initially beat

tiny sequoia
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yeah but that's just cause you spent enough darkness

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if you have enough DDs to shove your face into a whip you can probably handle some big teeth

hard rose
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I was murder-obsessed as a kid so I love Tis

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there was a fanart that's
Charon: Mrrrrrrr
Tis: Der!! :^D

zinc belfry
night delta
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speaking of charon, hypnos' comment abt getting smacked with his oar is so funny
the tired elder brother bonking the younger twin

zinc belfry
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Get bonked

molten perch
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alecto was the easiest sister for me shadedisgruntled tisiphone whooped me

limber marsh
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When you chiron and she turns the field into and elevator

shrewd path
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the pinned msg says you need to have 5 aspects unlocked to start getting hidden ones, does it mean 5 different aspects (other than zagreus' ones

upbeat willow
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yes

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since the zag aspects are already unlocked

true zodiac
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Come on

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The proxy bot is absurd

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Deleted twice my post with no insults

fierce estuary
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clearly there mustve been an insult somewhere

true zodiac
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Yeah

fierce estuary
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lol

true zodiac
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Well c o c k y

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But come on

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Don't delete the big posts that's frustrating lol

austere stirrup
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"cope"

true zodiac
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Whatever, is Theseus relationship with Zagreus improving ? I'm making it short now too lazy to rewrite it a third time but I'm not convinced at all about the fact that Theseus considers Zagreus as a fiend and not a chthonian god.

I agree with the Theseus overall behavior that's pretty rational and interesting and I like that he has this relationship with Asterion, but through hundred runs and battles with Zagreus, shouldn't this evolve ?

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Wow I did it

edgy jackal
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congrats

fierce estuary
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what did u do o.o

swift delta
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hades do be a tsundere ngl

hard rose
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the surprise tsundere omg

zinc belfry
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I never heard him described as this, but you are correct, and now I will be forever incapable of seeing him as anything else

hard rose
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I mean have you seen his convo with Zag about the pom trees

swift delta
zinc belfry
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I got tsundere vibes, but I don't think the word popped into my head until now lmao

hard rose
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I will inflict this upon youall anyway

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(4 pics)

zinc belfry
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"They're very easy to maintain!"
Sure, Hades, sure

hard rose
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although he Might be a kuudere mix since he was never really hostile towards Perse

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since tsundere to me is "Mean to everyone, even the people they like"

swift delta
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that would be meg then

zinc belfry
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True, true

hard rose
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Or Than

zinc belfry
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Than seems more like a kuudere

hard rose
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quote about tsunderes from the dere-types wiki
This dere type is older than dirt, dating back to at least ancient Mesopotamia.

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I wish you could buy a throne for Persephone and make the great hall table wider to fit both of them

calm birch
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nah just dethrone hades

rancid quail
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Oh my god, I just realized Tisiphone is voiced by somebody I knew in college

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I knew they did Athena but I hadn't encountered Tisiphone yet in-game until this weekend

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I have an old joke recording saved on my computer of them screaming in a similar voice, OH MY GOD THAT COST ME TEN DOLLARS AT WALMART 🤣

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(among other things)

hard rose
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omg epic

zinc belfry
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Amazing

atomic citrus
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Perfect LOL

open berry
open finch
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I need to hear Alecto and Athena back-to-back 4sparkly

rancid quail
hard rose
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Zag @ his 3 parents

proud maple
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Recently I finished epilogue, and I also did sysphus, achilles, orpheus's and nyx's quest. Are there anymore big things left to do storywise?

open berry
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the epilogue is the final bit of story narrative. if you've finish out bonds with everyone else then thats about it

night delta
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anyways mousey is so cute and i understand why than had him

tiny sequoia
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didnt nyx make all the plushies?

austere stirrup
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yes

night delta
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i want nyx to make me a plushie they're so cute...

open berry
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im sad you get one from meg and than but not hypnos.... nyx what the heck that is your own son

vivid wraith
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Poor Hypnos

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He really gets the shaft in everything

night delta
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he really does, justice for hypnos

brave spoke
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Man’s lazy while he’s in the house of hades but idk what his role is
Is he the greeter?

vivid wraith
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Mans getting respect from nobody even though he got his act together

vale iron
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How can I unlock ||Dusa's favor||? I have no idea how to get it, and the wiki kinda confused me even more.

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Like, ||make the contractor to do something for Dusa||

vivid wraith
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get lounge items

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once you've reached the locked heart

full kindle
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@vivid wraith I love your pfp zagluv

vivid wraith
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ty

vale iron
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I'm only missing 5 items and I'm still not able

vivid wraith
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have you completed the place of revelry prophesy

vale iron
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No, but I have 6 hearts with dusa

vivid wraith
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you have to complete the prophecy

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and be at the locked heart

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then talk until you get the dialogue

vale iron
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yes I got that

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but how do I make the contractor to do the thing on the canteen

vivid wraith
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what canteen

vale iron
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the uh lounge i think it was called

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I have no idea how its named in english but its where the chef is

vivid wraith
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oh yeah

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so you have completed the place of revelry?

vale iron
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No

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and I bought almost everything

vivid wraith
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well buy more then I guess

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it should say how many more you need

vale iron
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Nope, it doesnt

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it just says that I have to make the contractor to help to renew the lounge

tiny sequoia
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Sometimes you just have to talk to her enough until the conversation about the lounge comes up

atomic citrus
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I've cleared about 7 times now, and as soon as I leave the fight area and the music changes- I start to tear up. By the time I get to talk with ||Persephone||, I'm sobbing LOL

tiny sequoia
#

He love his mom

atomic citrus
#

It's just so beautifully bittersweet

atomic citrus
#

Zag fights through literal hell just to see his mom for a moment

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I think this is my new favorite game 🥲

night delta
#

can i bribe hypnos with ambrosia to get his favor, the dialogue gods have not favored me

limber marsh
#

As mortals do

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Something like cherish your brief time together, like mortals do

rancid quail
#

Oh lord, I just got reminded of the existence of Tom Lehrer's Masochism Tango song and now I'm going to be thinking of it any time I bump into Meg

vivid wraith
#

I just realized. Zag starts his escape in tart which means the house of Hades is in tart, why would they not want to live in Ely? thanthink

open berry
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tartarus in some cases is not considered directly part of the underworld as asphodel and elysium are. elysium was also typically a place reserved for demigods, heroes and the morally righteous

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basically if you had close ties to a god, did some amazing heroic feat in your life or were just an absurdly pure person, elysium was for you

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the gods dont live in elysium just because its elysium

feral aurora
#

I do remember reading something of a “base at the bottom of the realm”

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Apologies for the incoming text wall, but I currently cannot send images

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Codex quote on the house of hades:
“the Master was awarded a permanent place of residence at the base of his domain, in addition to a wide variety of responsibilities to the dead. I have only heard tales of Olympus, and its glorious heights, its shining columns, its feasts... the House of Hades, I imagine, must be more or less the opposite on every front. The Master spares no kind words for his family's mountain abode, and notes instead the many ways in which his House is far more functional, superior even. Certainly, the House is well-enough appointed, and accommodates not just the Master, but some of his close associates and aides, myself included. I understand this place existed in a form even before the Master settled here. But certainly, he has made it his own, and we all feel his influence in every corner.”

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Based on this, he probably either doesn’t have a choice, likes it there, or both.

tiny sequoia
#

I get the sense that hades would hate to be in elysium with all the heroes

feral aurora
#

The more practical/meta reason would be that the game needs you to start from the bottom to be a videogame. But that’s no fun

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It’s worth mentioning here though that Dante’s circles of hell has Satan frozen at the very bottom, with the worst of the worst, specifically traitors

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So there’s a sort of parallel there.

atomic forge
#

Oh, Hades definitely hates Elysium.

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I think he and Patroclus get lines specifically about how Olympus' definition of "great" is an atrocity by everyone else's standards.

open berry
#

its not wrong

atomic forge
#

Don't even need to hedge that, Hades and Pat are right.

fierce estuary
#

yea

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they just kill a lot of people i guess

atomic forge
#

"Elysium isn't for the good, it's for the great. Great kings and killers, oft one and the same."

open berry
#

well this is why the greek gods were not meant to be seen as moral paragons. they werent. it was never the intent.

fierce estuary
#

yea i love realistic writing in my fiction

zinc belfry
#

It's a very interesting thing to delve into in general: what defines greatness? More accurately, who gets to decide what is considered great?

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Am I supposed to be asleep? Yes. Is my brain acting like I downed five shots of espresso instead of my sleeping medication like I actually did? Yes

But I will do my best to stop myself from going into a philosophical ramble lmao

feral aurora
#

Better/more effective at/superior in some regard or in regards to an activity

fierce estuary
#

thats all subjective haha

feral aurora
#

In the case of Elysium, if you’re great at killing or deceiving, that’s great

fierce estuary
#

for greatness i mean

open berry
tiny sequoia
#

does this mean hades doesn't get to choose who goes where?

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or maybe he puts all the tyrants really far away from him on purpose

zinc belfry
feral aurora
zinc belfry
feral aurora
#

“Who’s a great philosopher” is a fairly subjective one.

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“Who’s a great burglar” count the successful burglaries. More profit/successes than 90% of burglars? You’re great at robbing people

fierce estuary
fierce estuary
#

and that would be subjective too

zinc belfry
#

I subscribe to a philosophy that says that our perception of the world makes it that there is virtually nothing objective through humanity's viewpoint. A very summarized idea behind Romanticism, basically.

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(Side note, but it's funny when I say I'm a Romantic who also subscribes to Existentialism. Gotta love baffling people, hehehe)

wide wind
zinc belfry
#

Ah, will do!

hard rose
#

Is there special dialogue if you start on hell mode and turn on EM1 right away? Is it even possible?

calm birch
#

“right away” as in very first run?

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you start in the first chamber, so you can’t

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also you probably have to meet all 3 furies first?

hard rose
#

Yeah I mean the first time you meet Meg

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will EM1 cause the other 2 furies to show up if you haven't met them yet

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anyway I have an empty slot, might as well give it a try

upbeat willow
#

I think EM might not be available until you meet all 3 furies

sleek crane
#

Ok, so

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A few days ago, poseidon gave me a prophecy to beat EM3 theseus and then report back to him

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(which the reward was like 2 ambrosia or whatever, idk)

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Now, on a run i started yesterday and finished today Pepegante , i got a prophecy from ares asking me to kill 10k enemies then report back to him

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Now my question is

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From everything i've done so far, it feels like when there's an individual prophecy like this for a god/aspect/whatever it is, chances are there's a prophecy like that for every single god/aspect/whatever

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Case in point, the prophecies that ask you to get every single boon from each god, reach the surface with each hidden aspect, or get every daedalus hammer for each weapon

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So is this thing of doing a favor for a god then reporting back to them a thing for every god? And if so, are there any unlocking conditions for each one?

calm birch
#

afaik that’s part of the process of bribing them

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aka unlocks ambrosia gifting

sleek crane
#

so is it not for every god?

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cuz i've already forged a bond with both artemis and zeus, and they didn't give me any prophecy

hard rose
#

yeah some gods don't have prophecy favors

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and not every favor results in the heart unlock iirc

#

like Poseidon's unlock is fishing related

sleek crane
#

huh

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i've done that too actually

#

is there a list of all the prophecies in the game somewhere?

frozen jolt
sleek crane
#

alright, thanks

hard rose
#

you know how the tiles in the middle of Zag's room form a pomegranate

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that plus its proximity to the garden makes me think that it was Persephone's old room

tiny sequoia
#

why would the queen sleep in a separate room?

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not that anyone does much sleeping

hard rose
#

According to Persephone, initially she and Hades were pretty awkward with each other, and she also mentioned he always gave her space

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so they probably weren't in a relationship when she first came to the underworld

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Ofc she could be referring to when they were still at Olympus

atomic forge
#

To my knowledge she was brought completely out of the blue by Zeus, so Hades very well could have set aside that room for her until they were comfortable.

#

It's noted that there was an initial attraction between the two.

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Part of the awkwardness was still likely from Zeus' abduction.

somber estuary
#

I think Persephone mentions that she thought Hades' portrait on Olympus was hot. My thought was Zeus spotted that and was like "I'M THE BEST MATCHMAKER!" and then promptly forgot what he was doing after dropping her off and spotting a hot Grecian maiden to have illegitimate demigods with.

atomic forge
#

Hades says "[Zeus] knew that I was... Drawn to her."

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My understanding is that Zeus knew that they had a Twice Shy thing going on, or at least suspected it on Persephone's part, and that Persephone really did not care for the pressure of Demeter's presence on Olympus. Being the top deity, if only arguably the strongest, he said "Oh, two birds with one stone!"

hard rose
hard rose
# atomic forge My understanding is that Zeus knew that they had a Twice Shy thing going on, or ...

Zeus: wait, you LIKE her?!?!
Hades, trying desperately to hide the blush that's now spreading to his neck: y-yes...

Zeus: wait, you like HIM?!?!
Persephone: Shush! do you really have to yell? My mother's gonna hear! But yeah. I do. you bet your sorry rear I do. What about it?
Zeus, revving up his motorbike cloud: by the gods, and by that I mean Me, hop on because this needs to happen Right Now

atomic forge
#

Zeus absolutely would say "and by that I mean me."

fickle comet
#

@fervent cliff these should answer your question.

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And no, there have been no announcements for any new content.

proud maple
#

alright, turns out i was completely wrong

fervent cliff
#

I see... Thanks for linking the QnAs tho XD

feral aurora
#

”I ought to warn you that my foster-brother Zeus, he has just a disgusting sense of humor, little sprout. He'd have you think he sired half the countryside! I have to shudder at the very thought."

This comment cracked me up, had to google what sired meant exactly, but it meant what I thought it meant

atomic citrus
#

Hahahaha

#

Google is the best English teacher

somber estuary
#

An intentionally ironic comment by Demeter I would wager, as depending on what version of the tales you are reading, Zeus may well have sired a certain someone with Demeter as well... Not in this game's version though.

calm birch
#

also he has probably literally sired half the countryside

hard rose
#

There are 2 kinds of modern AUs - the ones where Cerberus is 3 dogs, and the ones where he's 1 dog

somber estuary
#

What about Cerberus' bro the 2 headed dog Orthrus?

brave spoke
#

All I know is “CERBERUS IS GREATEST OF THE GOOD BOIS”

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like how Achilles is “The greatest of the Greeks”

somber estuary
#

My personal headcanon is that Orthrus is the Cthonic Companion ||that dad uses to summon Cerberus to bomb us on EM4.||

hard rose
#

that's a cool headcanon

signal thicket
#

I have a question

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Is it really a spoiler to discuss the final boss?

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||The game is literally called Hades. It's pretty obvious you're gonna fight Hades.||

ruby schooner
#

||not necessarily. hades can also refer to the underworld||

signal thicket
#

||But you see Hades within the first 5-20 minutes of playing (depending on how long it takes for you to die.)||

green delta
#

why is achilles referred to as "forgotten hero"?

#

I thought he is pretty well-known

calm birch
hollow mortar
#

Legend of Zelda doesn't have Zelda as the final boss shadesmile

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The only channel that doesn't allow for spoilers is the #h1-for-new-players so it's ok if you don't spoiler tag that outside that channel.

calm birch
#

scnr

hollow mortar
#

Hades is also a main character thanthink

open berry
#

its as maryam pointed out though, hades refers to both the god and the underworld, as the underworld is also called hades, just as styx, erebus and others exist as both deities and places. hades the game is named hades because it takes place in hades, not because hades is a main character

hollow mortar
#

Oh yes, there they are. Tatz with their wisdom, back at it again PeachLovely

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It's amazing how much attention to lore and detail the developers gave when designing the game.

zinc belfry
#

It goes to show how much they love making this, too. This game has become my main way of relaxing, even though I am almost finished with all that needs to be done within the game. I may even give speedrunning a try because of it!

atomic citrus
#

Glad to hear that Charlemagne

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I think it's an interesting touch that when you say "I beat Hades!" you are speaking both literally and metaphorically

nocturne dew
#

Does anyone know if Hypnos says anything unique if ||Cerberus kills you in the Hades fight with extreme measures||?

open berry
#

he doesnt

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it still counts as being killed by the final boss

nocturne dew
#

Thx. Thought that might be the case because I found nothing on it. ||Poor boi gets no recognition :(||

hard rose
#

Reading everywhere about EM4 fills me with half amusement and half total dread

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I bought it but still haven't taken the plunge to actually turn it on

open berry
#

before em4 released, someone asked in qa how hard it was gonna be, and the only response we got was just "lol"

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it was a bit stressful for me but in a "there is a lot going on and i am overwhelmed but still having fun" sort of way my first couple times, it's not a condition i run much

nocturne dew
#

personally it took me less tries than the original Hades fight. I liked it a lot but the main downside to it is that first I have to suffer through EM3... I hate that fight.

atomic citrus
open berry
#

i like em3, it's funny lol

atomic citrus
#

I thought the whole conversation with Meg about EM4 was hilarious

#

Zag is like "So, what if I fought all the Furies at once?" and Meg is like "You wouldn't dare"

rancid quail
#

/"In a fight, right?" Meme.png

somber estuary
zinc belfry
#

Still thinking of Charon and Tisiphone being best friends

somber estuary
#

I think they get along great when nobody is looking.

tiny sequoia
#

Speech impediment buddies!

zinc belfry
#

Still thinking of Charon knowing sign language and trying to teach Tisiphone, but all Tisiphone is able to pick up is murder and a couple of sign names of her dearest friends, including Charon.

Yes, I will die on this hill.

hard rose
somber estuary
#

Hermes Charon and Tisiphone should be a friend group. I wish people would show up in Charon's shop so we could have casual conversations with non house members.

#

Could be funny, like a pact of punishment where others will show up and snatch one of the shop options to taunt you.

atomic forge
fickle comet
hard rose
#

thanks! I'll probably go unspoiled for a few times when I feel bad and want to give daddy a W

atomic citrus
#

LOL

#

Sometimes, you've gotta humble yourself

hard rose
#

another franchise, another main antag I get wildly attached to, le sigh

atomic citrus
#

(True ending spoilers)

hard rose
#

Yeah I got a visceral reaction to that ||turnaround sprite||

#

And I think part of the beauty to the true ending is that ||Hades himself admits that just because he apologized doesn't mean Zag is under any obligation to accept it||

atomic citrus
#

I know right???

#

😭

alpine field
#

i mean tbf hades is one of the more "tame" of the olympian gods

atomic citrus
#

||Which he states in that scene||

alpine field
#

exactly

hard rose
#

and to me it speaks especially a lot because whenever I see posts that are like "it's on you to unlearn toxic behavior that you got from past trauma" part of me is like why? Why do I have to put in the effort when it's not my fault that I learned such and such behavior

#

but the main storyline is like "THIS is why"

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because if you don't, well, *gestures to Zag

#

*waving hands this

atomic citrus
#

Exactly

fickle comet
#

There's no "making up" for what somebody did in their past, anyway. He can't change what already happened. What's important is what he does now.

atomic citrus
#

That's one of the things I love so much about Hades' narrative

#

That message is baked into nearly every storyline

fickle comet
#

Even the god trials always end like "well, that wasn't pleasant for both us, let's move on together and focus on more positive things" in a way.

atomic citrus
#

TRUUUE

hard rose
#

ms I'm just gonna be a broken record and say what Persephone does is equally important - usually in the trope of "dark person is soft for one single lover", the lover never confronts their partner about the discrepancy between their treatment and everyone else' s

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but ||Persephone, literally in the first time in like, at least decades, sees Hades try to wriggle out of properly apologizing to Zag is like "okay. Final warning. Be decent or I'm off"||

atomic citrus
#

Yesss!!!

#

She's like ||I ran away to that glade just like our son and I'll not be what's driving the family apart any longer||

hard rose
#

||Persephone will be your sweetheart but she also takes Zero Crap from you||

#

anyway post-credits headcanon ||hades practices to the bedroom wall to talk properly to Zag and when Perse sees it she's like the meme where the lady is holding their phone going "you're doing amazing sweetie"||

atomic citrus
#

Hahahaha

hard rose
atomic citrus
#

||I head cannon they have a group hug afterward LOL||

hard rose
#

||maybe not Right after since Zag is likely still like. Nnnnneeegh about dad||

atomic citrus
#

||Yeah, maybe after the painting||

hard rose
#

Mm

green delta
#

I wonder about that ||covered up thing in Hades' room. Is it a mirror, like he was too ashamed to look at himself or something?? ||

dark marlin
#

It might be because reflections are hard to animate

alpine field
#

well its a 2d game and its all sprites so yeah itll be to tedious to do so, but maybe the canonnical reason is ||hes ashamed of himself of what has happened to persephone or maybe the mirror was a gift from her||

austere stirrup
#

2d game?

alpine field
#

yeah i read thay somewhere so theres no 3d models or anything, its all just sprites

hard rose
#

There's a fanfic that implies it's ||Persephone's mirror that Hades can't bring himself to look at||

stiff tapir
#

do you have to ||invite chaos for persephone's plan party thing?||

rotund ether
#

No

stiff tapir
#

ok thanks

dark marlin
#

Man I WISH you could

austere stirrup
#

chaos is chill

fickle comet
#

You can invite Master Chaos, though. thanthink

rotund ether
#

Wait you could, man my memory is bad

open finch
#

You can, it's just optional

stuck niche
#

So

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if zagreus and thanatos have basically been family up until the start of the game

#

isn't it kiiiinda weird that they rail

austere stirrup
#

people fall in love with childhood friends do they not

#

also gods

#

the OG gods are all brothers and sisters

open finch
open berry
torpid vine
open finch
#

Ye that as well frogthtsrite

torpid vine
#

Nyx just seems to raise anything that comes near her. xDD

stuck niche
alpine field
atomic citrus
brisk prism
atomic citrus
#

I had a question

#

To fulfill the prophecy to help Dusa in the lounge, do I have to add the alternative entrance?

#

I've done about 14 other upgrades including the rug

#

Ah, I need to give Dusa one more Nectar LOL

zinc belfry
zinc belfry
atomic citrus
#

Hahahaha, I feel that

#

I've given Than, Achilles, and Pat all the Nectar possible

#

Just have to wait on RNG to develop their bonds

#

Trying to work on Dionysus and Aphrodite next ;)

zinc belfry
#

Me at Artemis and Dionysus: I NEED JUST ONE MORE BOON FROM EACH OF Y'ALL FOR THE PROPHECY PLS I AM BEGGING YOU

atomic citrus
#

That's me with Poseidon

#

I just need Rip Current D:

limber marsh
#

Does “Hell” exist in greek myth?

#

Like Hades saying Hell, blasted hell etc

#

Like isnt that christian?

open berry
#

its a christian concept, yeah. its used in hades though because its... to be frank, easy for the player to understand

#

they may have altered the dialogue to use expressions more suitable for the setting and rough time period but you also risk adding confusion on the player end in parsing dialogue

atomic citrus
#

Technically, Hades' realm could be seen as a fiery plane designed to punish souls

#

That could be Asphodel

#

Tartarus could be seen as a purgatory of sorts, and then Elysium would be heaven

open berry
#

there was no such thing in mythos though

atomic citrus
#

Yeah

open berry
#

thats strictly an interpretation through a christian lens

atomic citrus
#

The correlations aren't one to one

pliant river
#

really? isn't tartarus the worse thing that can happen to someone though? like both in the game and "canon"

open berry
#

and asphodel is only the way it is bc the phlegethon ran out of its banks. asphodel normally is more akin to like.. a field i guess

atomic citrus
#

True

open berry
atomic citrus
#

But, as you put it, it's just easier to understand that way

open berry
#

yeah

#

titans and gods were held in tartarus as punishment as well

#

apollo was almost stuck in tart once

pliant river
atomic citrus
pliant river
#

i'm pretty sure the tartarus is bad, i'm just confused if normal humans can get there

atomic citrus
#

I'm pretty sure they can

#

Or, well "could"

surreal shale
#

When are we getting Atreus' bow?

pliant river
#

atreus?

surreal shale
#

From god of war

atomic citrus
#

Oh LOL

#

You mean "Boy"

surreal shale
#

boy, meet boy

atomic citrus
#

I don't think SGG has plans of adding in DLC-like additions such as crossovers

#

Although

#

There very well might be a mod later on that adds that very thing

surreal shale
#

lmk

open berry
#

its very unlikely supergiant is going to add any official crossovers into the game

#

continued content is a bit unlikely as it is, as supergiant has only ever done dlc for their first game

surreal shale
#

So long as someone crams it into the game, and maybe some other cool weapons...

open berry
#

last i heard i think modders were running into some difficulties implementing weapons, but i dont keep tabs on the server, you'd have to go in and ask them yourself

atomic citrus
#

That could make for interesting alternate history fiction, come to think of it. Haha

pliant river
torpid vine
#

Religion was still used that way in the ancient world. And there was still punishment in the afterlife, it just wasn't hell.

atomic citrus
#

Yes, as seen in Hades with the contracts the big boss has Shades sign

atomic citrus
#

I DID IT!!

#

After pouring every ounce of Nectar possible into him and getting all the rest of his dialogue, I finally forged a bond with Thanatos 😊

fickle comet
#

Congratulations!

atomic citrus
#

Thank you!!

zinc belfry
atomic citrus
#

Hahahaha

#

Sometimes Death Incarnate just needs some incentive to live a little :P

night delta
#

so like the part where zag says to meg
"I still have feelings for you" did they used to date or smthg?

alpine field
#

when they were younger yes

night delta
#

aaah

tiny sequoia
#

Imagine you're trying to get away from your awful dad and it turns out he hired your ex you have complicated feelings for

#

I do not envy zag

open berry
#

feelings? just dont have them!

atomic citrus
#

Solves so many issues! LOL

zinc belfry
#

Me, bipolar, anxious, and ADHD: Zagreus, the fact that I relate to a big chunk of your issues makes me concerned for the both of us-

pliant river
atomic citrus
#

🥳

atomic citrus
#

Zagreus is yet another in a long line of protagonists that I can completely relate to 🥺

atomic citrus
dark marlin
#

Thinking about how the closer you get with Thanatos the less likely he is to immediately poof away at the end of a conversation, or when he does he lets Zag get the last word in and doesn’t just leave him going “Than, wait-“ at the fading light his wings leave behind

zinc belfry
#

Ah yes, it is yearning for Than hours tonite ;-;

marble edge
burnt granite
#

I always thought that was his brother

shut ocean
#

hes hypnos's brother

dense sparrow
#

The one reason I didnt go Thanatos romance route is bc of his front facing sprite

austere stirrup
#

🗿

atomic citrus
#

LOL

#

Leave my Easter Island headed boy alone!! 😭

night delta
#

he looks so awkward and I love it

dark marlin
#

The boy doesn’t smile often

open berry
#

cursed content

somber estuary
#

Blursed.

night delta
#

on one hand I was like "than smile!" on the other I was like "oh wh-"

torpid vine
#

I went for both him and Meg, and was not disappointed. xD

night delta
#

you know what sprite really hits hard? the one where hades turns away

strange jetty
#

||When I save Zag's mother can I still somehow go to Greece or am I just unable to get to there anymore?||

austere stirrup
#

no ur just gonna die

strange jetty
#

Dammit

zinc spade
#

Does anyone know how to get Artemis and Poseidon’s bonds forged? Like they’re the only two I have left and I’ve already had the final final ending

rotund ether
#

You have to talk to Artemis a bunch, like a lot. And Poseidon requires you to fish 18(?) fish

frozen jolt
#

you also have to catch a fish in the run before talking to poseidon

zinc spade
#

Ohhh gotcha, thanks!

atomic forge
#

After I found out about the one shade in the arena cheering for me, I make sure to go "talk" to him after each win.

zinc spade
frozen jolt
#

but for artemis' favor, just equip her keepsake in the beginning, and keep doing so until you get all the lines required. she will talk about ||callisto||

#

make sure not to give up once you get the lines, because that makes it as if the run never happened

atomic forge
frozen jolt
#

you can fish in the final boss arena

#

i think filling out the surface fish codex completely in 10 visits is pretty much impossible

strange jetty
zinc spade
hard rose
limber marsh
#

Theseus is legit really funny

#

specialle ||EM3||

#

Nyx is my favorite House npc

#

And outside the house Theseus and Asterius

zinc spade
#

They’re hilarious

night delta
#

I need to try em1 at the very least

limber marsh
#

Tisiphone best fury

hard rose
#

yes

pliant river
#

did granny just imply i was hitting on her

#

no granny

#

no

limber marsh
#

That is before ||she finds out youre the grandkid||?

#

I got that message before

#

So i dont know if she says it if after

pliant river
#

i think she said that because i was trying to befriend her lol

limber marsh
#

I mean the gods can shapeshift right?

#

She can turn into a hottie anytime she wants

#

Or a guy hottie? Is that exists in IRL mythology?

pliant river
#

i'm not sure

tiny sequoia
#

They're already as hot as they want to be, i imagine

pliant river
#

that makes sense

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||demeter|| is a grumpy old woman outside and out

somber estuary
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I know they're functionally done with the game and probably aren't going to suddenly start doing DLC or sequels after their next project but ya know if they did ever come back to Hades I'd probably trade the chance of actual content for just some little things like more dialogue and ||the ability to go visit Greece again any time mom is home.||

hard rose
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omg
Thanatos was talking to Persephone about dating Zag and she said "Well, I can see he had better taste than I do" while standing next to hades

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buuuuuurrrrrnnnn

zinc belfry
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Persephone decided to take no prisoners today

hard rose
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Zag: *manifests airhorn and blares it in the middle of the great hall

pliant river
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lmaooo

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poor hades

atomic citrus
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Even Persephone acknowledges Thanatos' beauty haha

hard rose
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right after I melted him with an ME + dio call build too...

daring hound
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Hey does anyone know the quotes said by Zag to unlock the fourth aspects

torpid vine
sinful hollow
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ok so i have a 'gameplay' story question that is a bit spoilery so to be safe i will ask it here.
||after presephone returns to the underworld, is there a way to visit her house on the surface again? if there is please dont tell me how||

tiny sequoia
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nope sorry

sinful hollow
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dang

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||i wanted to get more fish||

austere stirrup
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oh you can get more fish

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fishing spots appear in the hades arena

sinful hollow
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i know but it's only one

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usually with the posidon thing i can get 2 or 3 if im lucky

feral aurora
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There are 2 or 3 spots to fish in that arena iirc. At least two last I checked

crimson shale
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God I love the writing in this game. The characters are so fun and unique and even if they have a primary trait typical of their role they aren't JUST that. I think Hades, Hypnos, and Charon are my faves. So heart warming to see Hades change, I always feel so giddy whenever he calls me "Zagreus" xD

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This may be my favorite story ever tbh

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Also just got a visit from a certain pair, was unexpected and well, not unpleasant

atomic forge
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I agree, I've actually more entertained by the story and the dialogue with characters, than the actual gameplay. I feel like I'll have all my relationships maxed out before||I beat hades 10 times and get mom to move back home||

zinc spade
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Same! Like I’ve never even come close to finishing a game before, but I have with Hades. Like it makes me a bit sad now that’ll go back to house and there’s no more plot lines happening. (However there is the occasionally little tidbit like how || Meg comments on the fact I didn’t have a deadelus hammer || that just impresses me

limber marsh
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I was vs Zeus in Trial

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And i used Greater Zeus Call

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He had a special line hahaha

zinc spade
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I love that

open berry
# daring hound Hey does anyone know the quotes said by Zag to unlock the fourth aspects

heya! super late but if you are still seeking these:

guan yu - ||"I see you through the eyes of the crimson phoenix"||
arthur - ||"I see your kingly pardon from a prison of stone"||
beowulf - ||"I see you stand your ground against the serpent's flame"||
rama - ||"I see you drawn in the arms of the seventh avatar"||
gilgamesh - ||"I see you overcome the wild and make peace with death"||
lucifer - ||"I see your prideful fall down from the heavens to the flames"||

tiny sequoia
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Mythological figures from other cultures:
Zag: 👀

hard rose
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speaking of dialogue, hades has a special line for ||having the pom blossom on you in the last fight, highly recommend||

crimson shale
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How do I unlock Hypnos' locked heart? His (and some fish) are the only entries I have left to fill in the book. The wiki doesn't really say how to unlock it like what conditions I need to fulfill. I also have no clue where those missing fishes are but I'll look for them later

lament epoch
# crimson shale How do I unlock Hypnos' locked heart? His (and some fish) are the only entries I...

Completing Hypnos' favor involves witnessing a series of events between him and Thanatos. To start, Hypnos will tell Zagreus that Thanatos has said some things to him that make him feel as though he's displeased his brother, and Zagreus states he will talk to Thanatos on Hypnos' behalf.

After Zagreus confronts Thanatos about Hypnos, periodically between runs Zagreus will encounter the brothers engaged in conversation. Thanatos will repeatedly criticize Hypnos' work ethic until finally seeming to discover a way to help Hypnos focus. Thanatos then praises the quality of his brother's improved work and apologizes for treating him badly. Afterward Hypnos will thank Zagreus for speaking to Thanatos, completing his favor.

Unlocking Hypnos' final heart cannot be done until after the full ending of the game, that is, until after Persephone has returned to the underworld. In order to do this, you must first also have given Thanatos at least 5 nectars. Getting Hypnos an autograph from Asterius or seeing the scene in which Dusa compliments his work is not required to unlock his final favor.

crimson shale
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ah

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guess I've still got some more of those brotherly conflicts to witness.

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I've done 90ish runs, thought by now I'd have seen all of them since almost nobody else talks to me now xD

open berry
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shake down thanatos until he comes home and scold him into talking to his brother knifeduck

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hypnos heart is a notoriously hard one to unlock for the sheer reliance on thanatos, and how he often tends to prioritize other dialogue, to the point supergiant had to try and up the priority on the quest dialogue. if you're having trouble with it.... dont worry, most people did yeet

crimson shale
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lol I'm deffinitely shaking down Than considering how often I steal his kills to the point of him complaining. But yeah, seems he had romance on his mind, and a ||threesome|| to deal with first xD Naughty reaper

forest leaf
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so is zagreus and thanatos unsuccessfully attempting to procreate or what

pliant river
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wdym by that?

autumn pagoda
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is the Achilles favor as uncommon as Hypnos? I'm 120 hours in, have seen the epilogue, and haven't heard anything from Achilles or his partner for prob 30 hours and Hypnos for probably 60

open berry
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have you tried talking to pat with the bracer equipped

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i dont recall the exact requirements offhand buuut that may nudge things if you havent done that

autumn pagoda
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cool ty, that's worth a shot 🙂

dreamy garden
forest leaf
rancid quail
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weeping with laughter at the [E] Inspire? function

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"WHO WANTS TO HEAR A HUMOROUS JEST OF SOME SORT?" 😃

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(crickets, irritated looks, rolled eyes)

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welp.

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also, my dude, this is Greek mythology, never underestimate any two entities' ability to procreate together 🤣

night delta
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thans front facing Sprite makes him age 30,000 years I sweat

tiny sequoia
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Than's front facing sprite makes me age 30,000 years

limber marsh
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Hes like super old anyway lol

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How old is Zag?

proud maple
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Pretty young for a god

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I know almost everyone else in the house is older

open berry
# limber marsh How old is Zag? 
"Does Zagreus have a canon age?"

No; the gods are deathless and immortal. Time means little to them. No telling how old he is. In human age, he appears to be a young man in his early 20s. We know the relative ages of characters. We know characters such as Megaera and Thanatos are older than Zagreus, for example. We know Hades is the eldest among his brothers Poseidon and Zeus, stuff like that.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSwitch/comments/ixri6b/we_are_supergiant_games_creators_of_hades_pyre/g68tos4/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

limber marsh
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Okeii

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Was eondering if he really was his “age”

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Because if hes like god old

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Then ||Demeter|| has been blasting the surface world with ice for god age

night delta
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I dont trust skelly after that prank,

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suddenly telling me his story

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I KNEW IT

stuck kettle
daring hound
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@open berry thank youwu

gusty bobcat
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For Poseidon aspect would you go with arty cast or poseidon?

atomic citrus
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Either can be useful, but I'd go for Poseidon

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It gives you splash damage as well as decent impact damage

shy grove
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what prank?

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what is he gonna do? sweating

hard rose
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When he does it, you'll know :P

shy grove
torpid vine
fathom path
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not sure if this counts as story discussion or not but like. i’ve been chatting with a friend and we need to sort this out so:
could nectar, possibly, be mango juice? cause i mean i know it’s nectar but who’s to say nectar isn’t also mango juice

austere stirrup
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i think its more on the lines of honey

fathom path
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neat thank you

austere stirrup
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just leaves the server in ecstasy

limber marsh
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I headcannon it as Ambrosia-

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Maybe diluted

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Or byproduct

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Or how saffron and safflower

austere stirrup
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in the myths ambrosia is food and nectar is the drink

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for gods

ripe sentinel
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I am trying to unlock the last hearts for Dionysus and Hermes i have met the requirements but they wont give me the dialogue even tho i have talked with the multiple times is it a bug or do i just need to talk with them some more?

austere stirrup
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this is me with dusa

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ive completed all the hearts

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the bond just wont form

ripe sentinel
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Guess i will just have to keep try, good luck with getting the dusa one!

atomic forge
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Just keep plugging, the conversation log can get weird.

tiny sequoia
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Nectar is orange juice

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Ambrosia is orange soda

lament epoch
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Nice

ripe sentinel
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So i am trying to get the epilogue and have done all the steps, what do i do know? Just wait for persephone to talk about it?

rotund ether
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Yeah

ripe sentinel
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okay thanks!

pliant river
robust bison
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megara wont spawn for me so rip

night delta
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f, I'm hoping meg comes to fight me one more time for me to give her the last ambrosia

hard rose
dark marlin
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the Aspect of Chaos can also duplicate itself so I assume that's just a power the shield has

storm dune
hard rose
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ah. so mountain dew.

austere stirrup
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mtn dew 😍

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i got so addicted to mtn dew a few years ago

hard rose
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they now have a (water) melon flavored one so it's been my patron drink

dense sparrow
atomic forge
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Hades Sequel: Call it Titanomachy, Zagreus sieges Olympus because the titans are back, gets boons from the underworld as he makes his way up. Feel free to steal the idea no credit needed thanks Supergiant.

hard rose
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there was a similar idea floating around where, iirc, Zag gets kidnapped by Apollo and has to get out of Olympus with cthonic boons

fickle comet
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Ambrosia is sometimes referred to as food and sometimes as a drink, so a food that's also a liquid, like honey or syrup, makes sense.

dark marlin
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I think in the original mythology eating/drinking nectar and ambrosia can make mortals immortal? I’m not sure though

tiny sequoia
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Doesn't seem to do much for dead mortals

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In this world

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Hmm, zag only encounters a few living mortals, namely rats and satyrs

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Oh and surface fish I guess

dark marlin
stiff tapir
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does dusa ever ||come back to the house after was fired?||

lament epoch
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yeah

stiff tapir
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ok good, I was scared that it wouldn't happen

night delta
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it's real neat that the dead mortals have transparentish talk sprite

hard rose
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yeah

brave spoke
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Dead mortals are called shades lol

hard rose
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Pretty sure dad is just trolling at this point

supple dagger
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I wanna know how that Hydra even fits in the House.

tiny sequoia
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maybe they blow the back wall of the lounge out

hard rose
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Maybe Hades has a suitably anachronistic blackboard that he rolls out to Asphodel to attempt to lecture the hydra purely through drawing and gesturing

versed viper
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I finally defeated hades and met Persephone,
is there more story to play for it or it is just this?

rotund ether
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There's a lot more

versed viper
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how many run i have to finish to complete the main story?

rotund ether
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9 more

prisma coyote
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Gamer jokes in the 2000s lol I remembered using these jokes when my friends kills enemies in games

hard rose
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LOL that reminds me there's a fanart of that

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it's in fan works now :3

rancid quail
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Demeter Does Not Approve Of Fart Jokes

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okay but who in Hades would, though? Poseidon kinda strikes me as a pull-my-finger kind of uncle...

hard rose
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Zeus

rancid field
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i think zeus might like them himself but would get mad when other people made them

rancid quail
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Only I Am Allowed To Jest Regarding Flatulence, Nephew

supple dagger
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Artemis would probably shoot an arrow through your butt if you farted or did a fart joke. Means prey is near!

night delta
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I love tis finally saying zagreus' name

zinc belfry
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Me, coming back to check on the server after a few days have passed with my Starbucks in hand: ...I see that we are all still up to our same shenanigans

unreal dagger
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Dusa best girl

night delta
zinc belfry
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Thank you lmao

rancid quail
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Persephone's robes have pockets

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I would love her on first sight for that alone 🥰

rancid field
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ahead of her time

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maybe ahead of ours too

edgy aurora
hard rose
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LOL
....now I want to poorly draw that...

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how to draw hades

  1. circle
  2. BEARDFGH
edgy aurora
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Go for it

rancid quail
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Repeatedly switching out the House decor, specifically to irritate my garbage dad, should not be such a rewarding activity

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And yet, here we are 😁

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MAKE UP YOUR MIND, BOY

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Be quiet, you're not my real dad 🤪

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My real dad is Achilles and he knows how to say 'thank you' and 'good job'

old turtle
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I’m trying to unlock aspect of Beowulf, ||i have aspect of Guan yu, I have more than 5 Titan blood in my shield and I spoke to chaos with shield equipped but I didn’t get a dialogue about the aspect of Beowulf, is it random whether or not you get it?||

lament epoch
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its rng

old turtle
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Damn

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Guess I’m gonna have to grind the shield

tiny sequoia
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you gotta speak to chaos with the shield until chaos says a line mentioning that they know the shield

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after that you don't need to use the shield, you just gotta talk to chaos more

old turtle
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He mentioned Zeus shield because I was using Zeus shield

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Do I not need to use the shield anymore?

tiny sequoia
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i dunno

old turtle
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Eh I’ll just keep using it

lament epoch
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“You come to my domain bearing an all-seeing artifact that sprang from me after the dawn of time. It is considered a defensive instrument, I do believe. Though, I suspect you have discovered, or soon shall discover, it is nothing of the sort.”

old turtle
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I don’t particularly like shield but I really really want Beowulf

lament epoch
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i think this is the dialogue you need

hard rose
rancid quail
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I bought Nyx some flowers when I got back from meeting Persephone for the first time and she was so delighted and appreciative

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and he just snarled from over at his desk THAT IS NO PLACE FOR FLOWERS, CLEAN THAT UP

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at least somebody is buying your wife flowers, Dad 🤣

crimson shale
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Tisiphone is now my favorite fury! She said my name! ❤️

rancid field
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hell yeah tisiphone rocks

crimson shale
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what'S the last "Taken by the styx" message? I'm wondering when I'll have done them all

hard rose
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something along the lines of "what's worth telling is worth retelling"

crimson shale
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ah thx not there yet, just got killed by a beetle

stuck kettle
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Finally got new dialogue and it's just Hypnos rubbing my 300 deaths in my face 😂

bright oar
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Since you die when you win (except 10th clear) he counts your victories too so really it just means you did 300 runs

stuck kettle
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Yeah it was run 303, he just wasn't there the other runs

kindred shale
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you reek of dishonor impudent blaggard!! how dare you taint this valorous battlegrounds with your cowardly spew of insults! prepare yourself fiend, asterius and myself will gladly be sending you back to the depths in haste

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✨

shut vigil
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am i allowed to ask what i need to do in order to "unlock" the last heart slots for the few remaining gods? (epligue happened already)

atomic forge
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which ones?

shut vigil
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hermes, poseidon, aphro and demeter i belive (game is off atm)

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and i've ran into them repeatedly since i stopped being able to gift them

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also used keepsakes etc.

rotund ether
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Hermes - talk to him with his keepsake at max
Aphro - Romance Than, Meg and Dusa
Poseidon - Catch 18 fish, one fish has to be before talking to him (can't remember if one had to be rare or not)

hard rose
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I don't think rare fish is needed for Posi's heart, only the prophecy

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for demeter is also just keep talking to her. it takes a while.

shut vigil
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thanks!

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what does "keepsake" at max mean, though?
i mean, plume has 3 stars.
do i need to raise the total percentage dodge chance to something before talking to him with the keepsake on?

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on aphro, i just got friendzoned by dusa, so i guess next time will do it.

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on poseidon, though, i've already caught much more than 18 fish (am on my 104 escape atm), and i'm pretty sure i've completed the associated prophecy. is there a link where i can read more on those requirements?

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i haven't caught every single type of fish, though. i caught a sturgeon for the first time last night.

hard rose
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I think they're called favors in the wiki

shut vigil
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understood. thanks.

hard rose
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for hermes yeah you need his plume at 3 stars and then talk to him while having it equipped

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Poseidon doesn't need either of his prophecies done, I think it's just rng since his bond was the 2nd I got, ever

foggy star
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does anyone know if there are prerequisites for the epilogue to happen or if its just after a certain number of escapes?

hard rose
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get credits.
after that keep talking to Hades to get a certain conversation which will activate the prophecy for it.
Do the prophecy, which is to get to ambrosia-level bonds with a certain number of olympians.
this will activate the last prophecy, which upon completion finishes the epilogue

foggy star
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is the conversation just come randomly then?

hard rose
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the Hades convo? probably.

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it's the one that he ||brings zag to the garden||

urban drift
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Guys for some reason, i still havent been able to get last aspect of chaos. how can i get it?

tiny sequoia
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Check the pins

burnt granite
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Is it just me

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Or is the Orpheus solo better then the Eurydice solo

hard rose
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I prefer Orpheus version just because I can sing Eurydice's part with him :]

urban drift
rancid field
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i just like the Orpheus version cuz i think it's really sweet to hear him singing her lyrics

hard rose
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swipe left on mobile, upper right in desktop (I think)

fickle comet
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Eurydiception.

old turtle
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Poseidon’s favor doesn’t seem to be working for me

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Does anyone know why?

tiny sequoia
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Did you catch a legendary fish?

old turtle
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So I think so

bleak compass
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How can I fish?

tiny sequoia
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did you buy the rod of fishing from the contractor?

bleak compass
wraith zephyr
kindred shale
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😔

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literally everywhere but the hub

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even in shop rooms

wraith zephyr
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Final boss area also right?

kindred shale
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idk about the arena itself

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where the moon reflection is

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but after that yes

void escarp
shut vigil
hard rose
tawny elbow
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why and how is aspect of Achilles good?

frozen jolt
tawny elbow
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oh right

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my bad

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im gonna copy pasta this then

hard rose
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is it mentioned which version of Aphrodite is used in the game's lore? the one where she materialized out of the sea, or the one where she's one of Zeus' kids

rancid field
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idk if it's explicitly stated but i always assumed they used the sea version bc she flirts with zag so much & doesnt mention any blood relation to him the way the other gods do

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iirc

edgy aurora
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Wiki doesn't say shes related to zeus so I assume its the sea

frozen jolt
rancid field
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woah that's a great doc

frozen jolt
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so the verdict is: ...🤷

night delta
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honestly coming out of the sea is much cooler than being born to zoo

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zues

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,eus

hard rose
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zoose

torpid vine
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Fairly sure she mentions being married--presumably to Heph, who is one of Hera's kids. And Hera is Zag's Great Aunt on Perse's side and Aunt on Hades's (although by marriage only and not by blood in Hadesgame). So I'm guessing Aphro is the sea-version.

rancid quail
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I'm partial to the Aphrodite Ourania origin myth, where Cronos castrated Uranus and flung his, ahem, treasures into the sea

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From which the goddess then arose at dawn

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A] it's pretty metal, B] it gets elided really awkwardly in kids' mythology books which I find hilarious, and C] it means she's among the eldest of her generation of Olympians which is fun

torpid vine
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Yeah, that's the 'sea-version' to which I refer. xD

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Also 'Greek Mythology for children' sounds deadly xDD

night delta
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I like to think greek myth for kids was percy jackson

torpid vine
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I remember learning some Egyptian stuff at my Christian school, and... actually they were pretty on-point for a lot of it. I definitely remember the incest and dismemberment. Then again, the Bible isn't really PG-13 so maybe going to a Christian school cushioned the blow? Idk.

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And I've never read Percy Jackson. I may have been just a tad to old for it when I first started hearing about it.

night delta
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man it was the stuff when I was in elementary along with 99 clues. gave me insight to myth in general to get me interested and I got serotonin from when dionysus talked abt the satyrs in styx weren't his followers(?)

torpid vine
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Dionysus is a really, really weird deity. So many versions. And he was understandably popular.

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I expected him to be my fave Olympian in Hadesgame, but Ares and Hermes were done so well.

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Nice to see a non-villain Ares, and a Hermes who isn't just 'postal service' (no disrespect to the postal services of the world).

night delta
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kinda wished they touched upon his thievery niche tho, it's always my fav 😖

frozen jolt
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well he does have side hustle as a boon so it is lightly touched upon

torpid vine
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Yeah, they kinda touch upon that. Just a little.

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And we know all about his side-hustle and bets with Charon. I can't see how Charon wouldn't love the company of the God of Thieves, Merchants and Travellers. I would have loved to see more of their relationship in game. Alas, we can only follow Zag.

hard rose
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The Chinese name for the Side Hustle skill roughly means "unexpected riches" which hints at it even more lol