h1-story-discussion

[frozen jolt]

👍

[zenith wedge]

👍

[bleak osprey]

huh.

[true harness]

that do be some liminal space thing

I've seen episodes of twin peaks that were less weird

[patent acorn]

Malles those messages weren't in response to you

[subtle birch]

ok

[ebon sigil]

Chronos isn't a god tho

[true harness]

he is

he's a titan

not an olympian

but titans are gods

[ebon sigil]

No, Titans are Titans

They were the second order of divine beings, bellow that of Gaia and Uranus

[true harness]

yeah

https://tenor.com/view/ok-and-planet-explode-death-die-explode-gif-20089121

[static lion]

Imagine ur children are gods and u don't even get that status

[proven falcon]

uranus haha

get it

[open berry]

juvenile, tomato be upon ye 🍅

[ebon sigil]

No I'm saying Titans are a higher title

Just as you have demigods etc. as a lower title

If they were just "gods" then we wouldn't have two different words, we'd just called them gods to begin with

Not "titans"

Titans have the power of gods and more

For example the titans cannot truly be killed, just contained and imprisoned. Whilst at least one god died, Pan.

[true harness]

oh, gotcha. I didn't know Pan died in the mythology.

[subtle birch]

whos Pan

alr now

how did bro get adiosed

[azure cradle]

🙏

[azure cradle]

The Percy Jackson source is crazy

🥶

[supple walrus]

it's mythology so everything is kinda murky etc etc but i'm pretty sure titans are gods, just a sub group of gods differentiated from olympic gods. in hesiod's theogony they are specifically called "titan gods" https://www.theoi.com/Text/HesiodTheogony.html

[supple walrus]

one day, some guy on a boat said "the great god pan is dead". that's it. that's the story of pan's death.

other story i know is he decided to not eat the apples of the hesperides that supposedly make the gods immortal because he figured he'd rather be dead than be around when humans stop worshipping him. can't find an english translated source on that though and while i trust my source to have used original sources, i don't know what their source actually is so not sure if that's legit

[subtle birch]

bros durability is air level

[ebon sigil]

Hey wanna know a funny thing? All of the myths are from "some guy"

None of them have some official bible that a central gouverning church made doctrine.

Anyway this discussion is semantic so let's move on

I just love that the Titans were in Dante's Inferno (because they were not gods but rather forces of nature)

[subtle birch]

whats

Dantes Inferno

[ebon sigil]

Best poetry of the entire work, except that of Lucifer himself, is about the Titans

[ebon sigil]

Dante's Inferno is the work that cemented the whole "levels of hell"

[subtle birch]

alr drop some of the best lore poems rq

man is actually reciting the poems wth

[ebon sigil]

In the 8th level, just before the last 9th level, the Titans were chained in huge wells of water. Since they all beget from Gaia, earth, they were powerless in water. When they moved in their prisons the very earth shock as their giant shackles rustled.

But Dante noted that they were not tortured, there was no pain inflicted upon them that he could se. Virgil explained: The Titans were the most prodigious and strong creatures in existence, to have all that might brought low, to have fallen so low, to have become powerless after being so powerful, was a worse fate than nearly anything fathomable.

[subtle birch]

Dante and Virgirl??

[ebon sigil]

It's a good poem

[subtle birch]

like DMC?

[ebon sigil]

Yeah that's where the games took the names from yes.

[subtle birch]

huh alr

btw

that was a

"poetic greek myth looking ahh"

[true harness]

Dante Inferno (The Divine Comedy) is basically the self-insert fanfic of Dante where his goes on a magical journey with his parasocial bestie to see all the people he doesn't like literally burning in hell

and at the end he gets the girl

10/10 top ao3 content

[subtle birch]

one hell of a date I would say

[supple walrus]

i guess i didn't write clearly enough, i didn't mean to say that some guy on a boat made up the story, it's that... some guy on a boat saying pan died is exactly how the story goes

"Whereupon Thamus looking from the poupe of the ship toward the land, pronounced with a loud voice that which he had heard, and said: The great Pan is Dead. He had no sooner spoken the word but there was heard a mighty noise, not of one but of many together, who seemed to groane and lament, and withall to make a great wonder. And as it falleth commonly out when as many be present, the newes thereof was soone spred and divulged through the city of Rome" https://penelope.uchicago.edu/plutarch/DeDefectu.html

[static rose]

Probably just skipped town for tax reasons...

[regal pollen]

How many times does Zagreus acknowledge his title of god of blood?
I can literally only think of like one or two times its acknowledged during the story

I think it’s super poetic that Zag and Than are super connected the way they are because of Zag’s title
Him being the god of blood sorta makes him a god of life, making him and Than opposites

[true harness]

That very point is highlighted by Achilles in the codex

[patent acorn]

Zagreus: I am the god of blood.

[regal pollen]

Yeah, but outside of the codex, and when he mentions it, is it ever referred to by any other characters? Or just him and Achilles?

[patent acorn]

Don’t think so

[static rose]

Yeah, I think it's a realization between just Zag and Achilles.

[subtle birch]

yea so one time

I check the

book bonding

went to Achilles

and Zag said "wait Achilles says I'm the god of blood?"

then when talks to Achilles Zag tries to deny it

[regal pollen]

I mean the god of the dead and a technical god of life’s child being the god of blood makes a lot of sense

[lapis depot]

Persephone is only a demigod (in this canon), though, so Zagreus is too, which may explain why he bleeds like a mortal. On the other hand perhaps bleeding is kind of an essential quality to be a god of blood anyway

[subtle birch]

fr?

thought it was

Zeus's

with Demeters

[subtle birch]

yo holdon letme get my

"🤓"

lame

[lapis depot]

they changed that to avoid weird incest things happening. Persephone's father is an unnamed mortal and Demeter is only a foster sister to Hades

[subtle birch]

wha

[regal pollen]

Huh

[subtle birch]

foster?

I dont get it

[regal pollen]

so… the pantheon in hades is a non-incesty version?

[subtle birch]

wasnt it the 6 siblings Hades Posei Zeus Demeter Hera and one I dont remember

[regal pollen]

yknow the whole reason the family HAS THE BAGGAGE IN THE FIRST PLACE

[lapis depot]

no, not even close, there's still aphrodite and ares implications, but they wanted to avoid incest in the main relationship lol

though actually wait I forgot

aphrodite isn't a daughter of zeus, so no, even that one isn't incesty

huh

[subtle birch]

oh simply

[lapis depot]

I feel like it's more cause... they're gods

[subtle birch]

Chronos spayed part

Aphro and Ares fine I dont mind

but

aint

the whole Greek pantheon jsut a

family tree

or your average math question shape

like Demeter being a foster is highly "how"

[lapis depot]

I think wanting to just avoid that aspect of it is neither here nor there, it's just not that important tbh

[subtle birch]

alr fair

[regal pollen]

I mean they avoided it in percy jackson too

but in a way less sensical way

[subtle birch]

wussies

[regal pollen]

To make demigod relationships okay, “gods dont have dna, so you don’t have to worry about it”

[subtle birch]

imagine

the coffin of Zaggy and Melly

[lapis depot]

I think part of it is that brother-sister incest is one thing (still kinda icky, but kind of acceptable for gods of the same age) but Persephone being Hades' niece is just... strange

[subtle birch]

well I can accept that

but tho something people should focus on

is how Hades got that dawg in him

asked for Zeus-her father's permission

and he just swooped her

yoinked

[lapis depot]

not in this canon so idk

I mean, he both didn't ask and Zeus isn't her father in this canon

[subtle birch]

talking abt the myth

since yk incest stuff

[lapis depot]

yeah greek myth was weird about that

[subtle birch]

plus gods be doing worse things than incests

[supple walrus]

is aphro / ares relationship even acknowledged in the game at all?

i don't remember rn

[lapis depot]

not. explicitly, but it is very strongly hinted at in their duo boon dialogues

[subtle birch]

Aphro said "My husband(Ares) got a weird job(killing)"

[lapis depot]

more in their tone honestly, but it feels pretty undeniable when you hear it

[subtle birch]

plus, marriage is a lie made by Hera to prevent Zeus from populating

[lapis depot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM_syHkWG4E - the very first one is the aphro/ares one, it feels pretty clear cut

[subtle birch]

ngl I would like to hear some blasphemous voicelines in the new Hades 2

try something new

[supple walrus]

i feel like you'd only interpret it that way if you already (ship them or) know there's a relationship in the source material, it's not explicitly explicit

[lapis depot]

I mean, Ares says "dear" in a very particular way, Aphrodite is pretty flirty all the time but she's really cranking it up here, and it fits the source material, so yeah idk

also, in most of her other duos she's just sassing the other god, which doesn't happen here

[supple walrus]

true, ares prob wouldn't call anyone else dear like that

[lapis depot]

oh also, timestamp 3:27 onwards has two alternative ares/aphro dialogues where it feels even more clear lol

"we can carry on in private about that" lmao

[supple walrus]

oh. i didn't watch the whole thing bc i'm supposed to be getting ready for work will check it out later, thanks

[subtle birch]

yk uh

"hey Zag, Ares my husband"

seems outa pocket to say

[earnest terrace]

that would be technically wrong and cause some severe butthurt in olympus

[subtle birch]

Hephaestus: why are we here

just to suffer

[supple walrus]

there's always someone butthurt on olympus
ftr if it sounded like that, i didn't mean to argue against it, i was just wondering because i honestly couldn't remember and i feel the game is often deliberately vague about things

sometimes i wish it was possible to reset just the dialog in a file

[earnest terrace]

TRUE

(about the butthurt part)

[subtle birch]

SGG trynda keep the game friendly for 13+

based off Greek Mythology.

honestly I think they did an amazing job tho

didnt even notice that there was no swearing

just old but gold trash talking

[supple walrus]

There is made up swearing, blood and darkness

[dire sandal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/901586949666664468/1222609312845791252/image.png?ex=6616d6a7&is=660461a7&hm=9d5d9d2c3eb63200b850cf5c4da1b4ecb12f2ee5528927d8eae077538de168fa&

hades literally teaches zag lmao

[true harness]

Better teach him that swear before he picks up any other

Imagine you don't tell your son to say Blood and darkness and a while after he starts saying motherfu-

[mortal dune]

Honestly this isn’t the worst parenting approach? Like he’s being weird about it but if you teach a child both the meaning and use context of a swear as well as the degree of appropriateness towards using it then they’ll be more aware and curses and etc. won’t be as enticingly unfamiliar or rebellious, so they will actually model the behavior you want

If a kid says a swear word it’s better to educate upon it in great detail because that makes it less cool :]

[true harness]

mfw my parents start infodumping on every curse words imaginable, forever destroying my willingness to swear (and my capacity to be fun at parties)

[mortal dune]

Nah it just means you have to be extra creative

Which can either be a boon or a burden

[true harness]

Ares duo boon with Samuel L. Jackson : Curse of cursing

[deep canyon]

zag when hades gets up a second time in em4

[supple walrus]

also that is such a good example of parents being surprised pikachu dot jpeg when their kids emulate them. not the swearing, just hades always inappropriately (for a parent) dumping his negative feelings about being stuck in the underworld on his son and then being upset when he actually tries to leave

[mortal dune]

That’s an angle I’ve never considered before!!

Wow that’s so fascinating

Say it with me: generational trauma

I think Hades’ upset at Zag leaving was a mixture of him being disappointed in/kinda envious of Zag for abandoning his duties as Prince when Hades himself has always refused to abandon his duty as Lord; anger that he was behaving (what Hades perceived as) spoiled and self-indulgent, thinking Zag aspired to be like the Olympians; feeling threatened by Zag interacting with the Olympians and potentially getting Persephone in danger; and something to the left of sadness that his son was running away

Hades says himself that Zag was the only person he had left he considered family, so to lose that so violently must’ve been hurtful

Zag in doin what he does inadvertently actually gives Hades back his familial support structure

At minimum he now has Persephone to balance him out, and some amicable relationship with Zeus which makes his work-life a little easier

And of course a developing relationship with his son

[frozen jolt]

I think at the beginning of the game and prior to it he sees zag as the direct cause why persephone left and he resents him for it without zag having done anything wrong, and his act of trying to escape both reminds him of her leaving and angers him because he can’t do the same for various reasons as you said

hades and his beef with his own baby

[mortal dune]

Oooh though that’s a valid interpretation I would honestly kinda disagree

Imo if he did blame Zag then he would be more vindictive about it, especially after Zag reveals he knows about him mom. I imagine he’d make comments specifically about Zag’s fault and etc

I don’t think he had beef with Zag as a thing that happened? He more so blames himself for Persephone leaving

[frozen jolt]

it’s been a while since I played the story so forgive me for not having my stuff in order LOL

[mortal dune]

Like he does love his son for the most part and tried to raise him to be a good man, which I think if he resented him he would shunt the childrearing all to Nyx

[frozen jolt]

I just remember playing it for the first time and some things really stuck with me and struck a nerve

[mortal dune]

Oh for sure

Understandable completely

But yeah Hades’ insults to Zag are primarily about Zagreus’ character, which is attached to Hades’ own issues with the Olympians and trauma as a God and Older Sibling

[frozen jolt]

I think if I were to play it again from the start I may have different opinion and analyses but it’s such a beast to replay and gameplay-wise its hard for me when I’m all maxed out and have been for so long

[true harness]

Oh, now I wonder if Hades will talk to Zagreus about being an older brother, since melinoë is there... Though I'm not sure Hades did much in his childhood. Given he was in someone's stomach.

[mortal dune]

(Here’s a paragraph of me talkin about Hades and Zag lol #h1-story-discussion message they’re my favorite narrative in the game)

OH MANNN

THAT WOULD BE SO COOL

OH please please that would literally be perfect

[mortal dune]

He was primarily the one reining in the other gods iirc? He insinuates as such beforehand

I really hope they don’t go down the route of making Hades like, super sweet on Mel but still tense with Zag that would suck badddd

Undo all of the character work on Hades’ part

[true harness]

Don't get your hype up too much, maybe we'll just see a flashback of zag asking hades
"Father, do you have any advice about taking care of Melinoë ? You had younger siblings too..."
"Zagreus, the only advice I could give you is to not get eaten."

[mortal dune]

Hades is like at his core not a great parent (he doesn’t have a lot of the necessary qualities), it’s part if the reason he messed up so bad with Zag . So him being a great parent to Mel would make his and Zag’s relationship even more fueled by spite and specific dislike rather than simple incompetence

[mortal dune]

This would still be excellent though

[true harness]

it do be good advice

[mortal dune]

Like the vignettes at the beginning of each run demonstrate a LOT about his relationship with Zag

Small things like that would deepen the worldbuilding and overall narrative about family a LOT

[true harness]

How to be a good older brother :

1. Don't get eaten
2. ???
3. Blood and Darkness my whole family is screwed up

[mortal dune]

Zag telling Mel “you know, father never told me being an older brother would be so booring” or something idk

It doesn’t have to be so jokey

Zag being an adult helping take care of his child sibling is also a unique dynamic

[true harness]

I imagine being in a stomach is pretty boring though, if anything that might be the only shared feeling between the two situations

[mortal dune]

Pffft jesus

I imagine Zag would end up parenting Mel to an extent which would add a dimension to her disposition that Zag didn’t have

Where Zag had Nyx and Hades (both kinda dark and gloomy and not super affectionate) Mel will also have Persephone and Zag as well

A lot more balance and light in her life

ORRR nother story plot, she maybe wasn’t raised in the underworld and thus doesn’t know them well

I don’t like that potentiality because it strips her of a lot of deep potential relationships

[true harness]

I feel like she wouldn't be as driven to rescue Hades if so

[mortal dune]

She might, it’s happened in stories before

Off the top of my head you have like. Hercules in the Disney movie

[true harness]

Does hercule rescue Zeus ?

[mortal dune]

Hunter x Hunter maybe?

[mortal dune]

Yeah he fights the Titans and Hades at the climax to rescue the Olympians and Greece

[true harness]

"Hey big dude, what're you doing in the deepest pits of tartarus ? Anyway, I'm searching for my father, Hades. Heard of him ?"
"GIRL I AM HADES UNTIE ME THIS INSTANT AND I WILL SEND YOU BACK TO THE STYX I SWEAR"

[mortal dune]

She might’ve heard stories, or been with them when she was very young

[true harness]

then he just rips off the chains himself out of sheer offended rage and proceeds to EM4 you while shirtless

[mortal dune]

It’s especially not uncommon in Greek myth stories for children to be captivated with a parent they even never met

Like Perseus maybe?

I wouldn’t like it but it wouldn’t surprise me

Similar thing to the orphan hero, mitigating these relationships to create a sense of tragedy/lost opportunity also handicaps your ability to add depth to your protagonist through the relationships that shapes them

She at least has Hecate

[fiery zinc]

they personified planets, hermes is mercury, ares is mars, aphrodite is venus, zeus is jupiter, chronos is saturn, look into astrotheology

pluto is hades

[mortal dune]

Those are their Roman names

[fiery zinc]

all the ancients did this, in norse mythology hermes/mercury is odin in egypt thoth etc.

[mortal dune]

I think the differences between those three are stark enough to differentiate them

[fiery zinc]

nah

[true harness]

source : they told me directly

[atomic forge]

Why did persephone not go home with zagreus

[zenith wedge]

Do it again

[atomic forge]

Im at a certain part where she says something about olympus n a war n stuff, i skipped through all of em, what does it mean

[zenith wedge]

Dem made cuz persephone gone > gods helping zag may make them notice where she's hiding and if that happens > chaos

But just keep escaping anyways

[atomic forge]

Ohh thanks

[atomic forge]

How many clears do i have to make to get her to come home

[zenith wedge]

10 clears

[atomic forge]

Yoo nice

I’m pretty close

I got 7 clears atm

[subtle birch]

she litterally

comes and goes lol

oh wait ohhhh

the storyline

sunset was still a thing

[dire sandal]

this is probably a more general question about greek mythology but when a new god is born how is there "space" for their new job?

For example before Thanatos was born who managed peaceful death

and were they angry over their loss of control over a piece of the world?

If Zag is the god of blood like Achilles suggested does that mean Ares's power has decreased because he controlled bloodshed and therefore blood before his birth?

[earnest terrace]

I wouldn't consider 'bloodshed' and 'blood' to be part of the same portfolio

But in regards to your question overall, I don't think there's a proper answer for that

Probably a good topic for worldbuilding/theological discussion

[subtle birch]

oh uh imagine

how flawed the world was before them gods

[subtle birch]

and also

Greek mythos were convoluted

like hell them greek writers be writing whatvever they want

plus, most of the greek bible were burned off bcs of some Chrsitian fanboy

so questions like those were never answered

and so

its more like a "it just works" momento

[true harness]

"greek bible"

[subtle birch]

sheesh should I be more specific

alr it was like

a piece of paper writers wrote on

[earnest terrace]

CULTURAL HEGEMONY REEEEEEE

[supple walrus]

i think the answer to that question is mostly that the gods weren't just characters in stories as they are to us, but part of actual, practiced religion. people would make offerings to a god in hope they'd help them with whatever issue they were having, that's how they'd become god of their thing. eg ares isn't some sort of marvel super hero / villain with special powers of controlling war, just who you'd pray to if you're going to war (unsure if pray is the correct word but you know what i mean). that's also why some, especially older gods are gods of a whole lot of things - different people in different circumstances would have different relationships to their deities.

it's kind of like asking, if the christian god created everything, where did he come from? there's no answer to that because that's not the point of that religion

as for how that works in hades, the game, specifically, i tried to figure that out at some point and i think it's just... there's no logic to it

[subtle birch]

litterally what I said

"it just works"

[supple walrus]

yea

actually the thing that makes the least sense to me in the game regarding that is than and hypnos being implied to be around the same age as zag, ie relatively young

[mortal dune]

I mean in mythos that did happen with the Titans, which I imagine was partly the point of the Titanomachy

Like Helios was the Sun Titan eh? And then when he was defeated it became Apollo

Metaphysically I do believe it’s just a matter of the shift in belief, as people would begin to believe in a certain god over another part of the domains would transfer as well

So in game, as Zag becomes more renowned as a god (perhaps even over Ares in certain aspects) he would take over certain domains

[mortal dune]

This doesn’t make sense to me either, as Than and Hypnos and Meg and a bunch of others both have dialogue talking about things that had to have happened before Zag’s birth, because he doesn’t know about them

[safe cairn]

Than is definitely way older than Zag

if you're talking about the painting that's basically noncanon

Than talks several times to/about Persephone and how he knew her before she left

same with Meg

[safe cairn]

Demeter makes reference to Helios' chariot being the Sun

that would imply he is still "around" in some capacity at least

[supple walrus]

in one of those pre run flashbacks hades tells zagreus he has no time for him and to "go play with thanatos, or hypnos, or the dog" which to me sounds like they'd still be kids, or at least youth, at the time

persoally i am less confused about thanatos and hypnos being older than zag (i think they are supposed to be), but about them being much younger than the olympic gods

[open berry]

re: gods and regarding jobs and such when new gods enter the world, fwiw many gods had multiple domains beyond their primary ones they're most well known for

[true harness]

In fact it gets pretty crazy

I think notably Artemis and Zeus are very God of the kitchen sink

Apollo too a bit, as well as hermes and athena I guess ?

Now that I think about it, I imagine it's the same for catholic saints I don't have any example in mind, but I remember seeing some wild associations

[daring hamlet]

calisse du tabernak

(sorry, catholic mentioned)

[earnest terrace]

apollo is the gold standard of that

he had so many portfolios that he didn't even really have one "characteristic" thing

[earnest terrace]

Incorrect, Packrat: Helios was the Sun

[subtle birch]

in game yes

[normal zephyr]

agh the weather here already started to get hotter

Persephone go back to the Underworld pls

[dire sandal]

persephone, the goddess of global warming

[true harness]

I can't believe Zagreus is responsible for global warming

[fair portal]

Major Spoiler: |||So I went to fight Hades for the tenth time... only to discover he lets me go, lol that was quite the surprise! It's sad though, because I had a good build going, I didn't intend to complete it, but I had the shield and I entered three chaos gates (to see if I can get chaos to talk about the beowulf aspect). Either way, I quite enjoyed the ending here, and hearing Orpheous and Euridice sing with that awesome song? Damn. Well worth it. I'm mostly glad I could get this so I didn't get spoiled without earning this first. Now I'm gonna just have fun with the game.||

[true harness]

That's awesome ! Have fun and good luck on your new job

[latent nebula]

Going back to this quickly I believe there’s a dialogue line with Hermes where he says it used to be his job to bring souls to Charon, and he didn’t seem too upset about it becoming Thanatos’ job
I could be misremembering that though.. there’s so many lines it’s hard to keep track (though who knows if that was part of true Greek canon or only Hades canon)

[mortal dune]

It’s definitely only Hades canon

If there was any conflict like that in real Greek myth it would have been violent

[supple walrus]

it was also in blood of zeus tho

[subtle birch]

as I said

"it just works"

[subtle birch]

season 2 come out yet

heard there was a trailer

[supple walrus]

idk i'm not following the news on that

also apparently hermes guiding souls to the underworld is not just in the game, according to this, they cite the odyssee and others https://www.theoi.com/Olympios/Hermes.html

he would also guide dreams to people👀

[mortal dune]

Oh yeah that part is canon

The part about Hermes being like, okay with giving his job up to Than is almost assuredly made up

[supple walrus]

oh, that's what you meant, sorry, i misunderstood

wondering about the exact dialog though because i don't remember game hermes actually giving up the job

[earnest terrace]

Neither do I

Seems like a random thing to change

[subtle birch]

I think he got mixed with the ||telling Hermis to shut up options||

[normal zephyr]

i thought about it and just realize how painful some of Zag's death can be

the guy just kind of shake it off when he comes back tho 💀💀

Zag stronger than me fr if i died from a spike trap you bet my ass ill be locking myself in my room for like a week to cope

to be fair he is a god and i guess dying over and over again just kind of make it better??

[tranquil lotus]

thats why we love zag

[earnest terrace]

also lbr he's probably been long since accustomed to death even long before the game starts

i feel like learning how to cope with death would be one of the first things a cthonic god undergoes

[raven arch]

Has anyone here not finished your first run yet

[daring hamlet]

#h1-for-new-players is probably best because you won't have spoilers

[raven arch]

Nah I have finished it

I just meant if anyone here didn’t finish it

So I could talk about the game without worrying abt spoilers

[zenith wedge]

This channel isn't spoiler free so you are fine

(spoiler marks may be used if you want anyways)

[raven arch]

Alr thanks

[supple walrus]

i'd assume death is probably less traumatic when you know it's not the end, even if it's painful

also i love how they just took that and made him straight up masochistic, like it's not just a joke or to add edginess or whatever, it's just something that makes sense in the context of his character as a whole and the game mechanics

like even the stupid things players will do like post lernie magma baths to replenish health with stubborn defiance - it just makes sense for his character

[true harness]

it's probably similar to a boxer getting a beating in the ring. Not particularly enjoyable, but hey, that's how it is

[mortal dune]

Also, a huge theme within the game is actually Zag's resilience I believe! The fact that he keeps trying in the face of all of those struggles informs a lot about how he approaches his relationships with everyone in the game, and how he changes the lives of the people around him

It's not just the symbol of the Sisyphean task, it's also that his arc of character growth involves him learning to take more responsibility within his own life, and the inciting incident to all of that is that in order to get what he wants (freedom, his mother) he can't run away from the things that hurt him anymore and has to face them head on

That part is concretized in his many deaths, but you see it also in his romantic relationships with Meg and Than (admitting his faults and apologizing to Meg is a "painful" thing he would not have wanted to do in the beginning of the story, and having the patience and emotional maturity to address Than's anxieties is also a trait he had to develop through "painful" self-reflection) and especially his relationship with his father (choosing to come to some sort of understanding and sympathy/empathy with Hades, as someone who had abused him, is also a rather painful thing to do).

I guess the way I'd summarize it, is that his many runs to try and reach the surface functionally represent Zag's coming-of-age story where he achieves self-actualization and maturity, and his many deaths during those runs symbolically represent the more painful adult realities of his situation that he has to learn to accept and become content with

[trail otter]

Yall- I recently got persephone back down and hermes just mentioned that he knows ‘someone is back’. Is that just a random line of dialogue or does that mean stuff’s gunna change (like the other gods finding out)

[random ginkgo]

Idt they know until you trigger the epilogue’s steps, that’s why they keep helping you believeing still you’re escaping to go to Olympus, though it could be one of those godly hunches

[trail otter]

(Idk if this is even the right channel mb)

[zenith wedge]

Hermes is a homie so nah

[trail otter]

Okay thank god 😭

[true harness]

Yeah, Hermes knows about the whole shebang but he's the best so he's not making a fuss with the others about it

I love Hermes, such a homie

Bro doesn't have a mean bone in him, because bones would slow him down

[trail otter]

Too true

[normal zephyr]

honestly watching Theseus having a melt down bc he keeps on losing to Zag is kind of funny and a bit sad tbh

[normal zephyr]

hes sooo scared that his bull bf is gonna leave him for Zag damn

[fringe trail]

gotta love theseus

[icy sigil]

Fffffffffffinallyyyyyy!! The true ending!!
https://youtu.be/GlxduhNTHDU?si=mSPnuqQ1BSKHnvDH

[primal flint]

When a Boon drops in the game, what is Zagreus actually seeing?

Like, what exactly is the ball? Is it a portal? Is it a mirror, a crystal sphere? I know this is super specific but It's been bugging me lol.

[frozen jolt]

well what i remember is that its a one-way communication, the only way he can respond is by making an offering

[safe cairn]

When he gets each boon for the first time he comments on the shape, so I think he literally is seeing the icons lol

for example Artemis, he says it can only be one heavenly archer

(or several)

[frozen jolt]

well then maybe hes seeing them the same way

or maybe its a little suspension of disbelief (?) for gameplays sake

[static rose]

They're definitely one way. The gods can make out a bit of his environment but he can't communicate back in any way (other than accepting or not accepting the message).

[primal flint]

Oh you can't swear here. My apology for swearing was for nothing. LOL.

I am so irritated.

Trying to finish the hearts/Ambrosia with everyone. Finally got a ||fish to appear|| before picking up a ||Poseidon|| boon... except apparently, if you buy a boon, that doesnt count towards it appearing in the Boon pool.

So even though I bought a core boon for that God, I never found them again. So I never got to unlock the hearts.

I'm just going to bring the chamber reroll next time.

[true harness]

oof, yeah, shop boons are not the same wrt talking

unlucky

[primal flint]

Unfortunately, a painful lesson learned today. I will get to see the ending sooner or later.

I can take solace that I did unlock Athena and will soon unlock Hermes' hearts though.

[supple walrus]

iirc you can just keep the fish, ie not sell it to the head chef, and use poseidon's keepsake to make him appear in the next run

[random ginkgo]

It’s very funny to imagine Chaos playing hide and seek with a tiny Nyx, an entity that looks like if a Biblically accurate angel became a humanoid floating around trying to catch a tiny baby

[primal flint]

👀

I'm going to have to try this.

[zenith wedge]

This is just bad luck

Taking a boon anywhere will add them to your pool

But as junco said yesh you won't get the right dialogues if it's from a shop

(I think you can only get the "look how charon helped us"/duo dialogue/generic)

[primal flint]

This did not work for anyone curious.

but I finally did it. Oh my god.

Absolute horrible luck with Poseidon. He was the biggest problem of all. but that sweet relief when I got him and the fish... I know I could've swapped m Keepsake to his, but

• 1 I wasn't expecting him to be so stubborn!
• 2 I was trying to get others unlocked as well, so I was running Hermes for fast runs.

A few tears though. Tears of both relief, stress and satisfaction. Hades has to definitely be my favourite game.

[zenith wedge]

Keeping the fish does work but sometimes rng just hates you

[violet thicket]

i need a really good clan to join but i cant find one

wait

[zenith wedge]

I thought you were a bot

[violet thicket]

is this thw wrong discord sever

is this hades rng discord?

[zenith wedge]

Nah

[violet thicket]

lol my bad

there is two games called hades

well thanks

[pseudo stump]

Bad bot!

[primal flint]

If you say it does, I'll believe you, but where does RNG come into it?

[zenith wedge]

Dialogues are picked from a list at random

[primal flint]

I bumped into him several times whilst keeping a fish and no matter which order I found him, it did not trigger it. As soon as I caught a fish THEN spoke to him, it triggered.

[zenith wedge]

Some stuff have certain priority but is mostly story stuff

[primal flint]

Rotten.

[zenith wedge]

So the trigger for pos is like "catch enough fish/have 1 with you before talking" but then to actually picking the dialogue is another thing

Someone here took like a month? To get Asterius to mention the hidden fists phrase

Is also what causes the typical post/question of "if my quest bugged?"

[zenith wedge]

(also this can delay side quests if you still have main story available for example lol)

Cuz characters will start talking about what's going on

[random ginkgo]

So how much does Zagreus exactly know about the Surface, Greece? Since the amount of time he ventures past Hades is quite varying, sometimes only a few steps, sometimes enough to reach a crossing to get run over by a chariot. Ik it’s mostly for jokes but I’m just curious

[supple walrus]

wait so does catching a fish during a run (when you have that quest so to speak) change poseidon's dialog priority? so he'll be more likely to acknowledge a freshly caught fish?

[supple walrus]

thx for reporting back anyway, i wasn't sure about it either

[earnest terrace]

it's important to remember that he apparently knows a fair bit of information from what people in the underworld have told him and/or what he's learned from his education

but in regards to actual firsthand experience, probably not much, no

[mortal dune]

He canonically doesn't know/understand what birds are

His primary source of information about Greece is Achilles I believe, everyone else either doesn't know as much or doesn't bother to tell him

[open berry]

re: poseidon heart, fwiw the text trigger literally is just "has a fish on hand" but you also need a minimum of 18 fish caught in total up to that point. entirely possible it was funky rng, or you didnt meet the minimum fish requirement

[primal flint]

had up to 70 fish at the time. i've had plenty of fish on me whilst speaking to him, but it was specifically "fish first then speak to him" which triggered him.

so either RNG was super specific, or it is what happened what worked. which would be what the guide said to do.

[open berry]

dunno what to tell you, i just looked at it when i replied 😭 game be like that sometimes

[glass pollen]

My headcanon is that after Persephone goes back to the underworld he starts slowly building up his stamina enough that he can stay on the surface for a few days, but that's just me

Mostly because I like the idea of him interacting with living mortals even briefly

[supple walrus]

zagreus also seems to have read a lot of books. or at least own a lot of books. or at least has them scattered around his room. maybe those or some of those are greek books and books about greece?

[mortal dune]

My personal headcanon is that Zag just doesn’t read any of them

Cuz he doesn’t use his weights and he doesn’t sit in his chairs and he doesn’t play his board game

Only thing in his room he uses at all is the Harp

He’s far too impatient and inattentive to read imo lol

[normal zephyr]

Zag's deaths on earth is so damn goofy

like wdym he ran into a wall that was painted to look like a tunnel with an opening on the other side

goofy ahhh death

and that one time he sniffed a flower and died

do you think he experiment different new ways to die when he reaches the surface

it seems like a Zagreus thing

[supple walrus]

yeah i can totally see that however if we go with the adhd thing i could also imagine him as hyperfocusing on stories, making him able to read books tho. it's not like they have a lot of other media in the underworld, and he does read achilles' codex if the player does. plus he's been stuck in the house of hades his whole life, and even if we imagine that as being bigger than what we see in the game, that's sorta limited

[mortal dune]

Ooh good point

In that case I think he obsesses over Achilles stories cuz that’s his mentor and his idol

So if Achillies is telling it or is part of it or is recommending it then he’s on top of it like ants on cheddar

[normal zephyr]

zag i feel like he’s a HUGEE reader (hah), like he was not allowed out the house and that is bound to get boring at some point, plus he also gushes over Theseus the first time he met him

saying he’s a legend n such

[trail reef]

Hamburger

[zealous fox]

thesus

[random ginkgo]

Astersus

[normal zephyr]

hypnos is lowkey the scarier twin change my mind

i fear people who are chill

they usually have some sort of unyielding rage hiding somewhere i know it

[random ginkgo]

Nah in this case he’s just eepy

[normal zephyr]

he is constantly on like 2 hours of sleep

i dont think he even sleeps the guy seems to just nap

[random ginkgo]

Correct, and he’s just chilling

He is 🍨

[normal zephyr]

he's very cute

i want to put him in a grinder

[mortal dune]

I mean, he is pretty powerful. He put the entire House to sleep just cuz Zag asked him to lol

[strong skiff]

he's my idol

[mortal dune]

Something I find interesting is that Hades, despite his anger at Nyx, still refers to the Underworld as ‘their’ realm. It gives the implication that he typically acknowledges her authority over it, which is an interesting contrast to the evident violation he feels about her butting into his conflict with Zag

Cuz technically, Zag is ‘their’ son

[earnest terrace]

Given the fact that she literally formed the house out of nothing with her powers and holds significant direct power over the Underworld, his respect is unsurprising

[mortal dune]

I mean sure

But I’m specifically talking about that respect in the context of their coparenting of Zagreus

[earnest terrace]

Mmm

Yeah Hades is definitely frustrated but he very much seems the type to maintain a separation between work and personal life in that regard

Even if the two are very, very closely related

[mortal dune]

For sure

It's hard when your partner is your boss or vice versa or anything of the like, that power imbalance and the weight of that responsiblity really wears down your relationship

Now imagine that they're not even your partner, that you are limited by that lack of immediate intimacy

[earnest terrace]

Yeah I can't imagine Hades and Nyx being actual 'partners' in any deeper way than what they are now

i.e. stable colleagues who work closely together

But that in itself can cause weird rumors and implications

And for all their power and dignity, neither of them are remotely emotionally unshakeable individuals

[mortal dune]

The thing is is that like, I can imagine them being partners on a deeper level in that they have a lot in common, evidently do care about each other (going back to that respect Hades showed, and to Nyx respecting him back), and their history as co-managers of the underworld and co-parents to Zag

Persephone has a line where she mentions it, Nyx implies a deeper connection there as well, but I get the geenral consensus

(in my head they have an interesting qpr relationship but that's obviously just fanon, everything ^ is canon)

[mortal dune]

They’re narrative foils and they have a lot of tensioned conflict between them throughout the story and honestly I will say it’s a little more balanced of a conflict than I’ve seen portrayed

[subtle birch]

eh agree

just work mates

plus both of em know 1 or 2 things abt relationships themselves

[supple walrus]

does anyone remember if there's dialog on the aspect of nemesis suggesting she had already used it before the events of the game?

[stark meteor]

I believe the aspect description says she once used it

[supple walrus]

Ah right thank you

[plush quartz]

I just realised, humans other than the characters we meet(even then, most of them are actually demi gods), arnt really present in the game, nor talked about. This whole time I wanted hades 2 to have promeuthes in it, but creating humans and liking them is a huge part of his character in greek mythology, so I guess in hindsight(pun unintended) it wouldn't make too much sense with lacking context.

Obviously shades exist, and we get a lot of talk about the souls of enemies. But nothing about human culture or what civilisation is like on the surface.

[earnest terrace]

Probably because we play things from Zagreus' perspective, who although he knows some things about surface civilization (e.g. his conversations with Achilles, Skelly, Asterius), he generally isn't incredibly well informed (e.g. his convo with Thanatos about how humans view death); there's also the simple fact that the surface itself isn't incredibly relevant to the story of the game, hence why we don't get too much info about it

[dire oyster]

just saw an opening from Hades himself talking about where the satyrs may have been coming from. Think they were from Kronos now?

[sick anvil]

how tf did satyrs become the evil dudes

[trail reef]

they hate everything

I hate them too

[sick anvil]

ooh idea

they got forced down into the underworld because of the harsh surface conditions

and uh

went mad

probably a mid theory but ill take it

[timber thistle]

How do I get the permission to post pics

[zenith vault]

You have to spend 3 diamonds

[timber thistle]

I cant get past meg😭

[zenith wedge]

Send to another discord, right click and copy img link

Or use smth like imgur

[timber thistle]

Too much work for a small detail

So dio can make you prank orpheus that youre the same god

Thats actually a detail from real world myth where historians theorize dionysus is an offshoot of a much older god( by that I mean the time period when they were prayed to)

[zenith vault]

I mean there’s is Dionoysus Zagerus

In some Greek paintings and mythology sometimes zagerus is considered dionoysus

[timber thistle]

Yeah thats what I meant

[zenith vault]

Ohhh

[timber thistle]

I shouldve mentioned that the older god was named zagreus😭

[zenith vault]

Man idk

Should I pick vengeful mood or battle rage epic?

[rain otter]

https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/725021639506526249/1233090567454462012

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1026568872117149737/1233090456678694933/image.png?ex=662bd47a&is=662a82fa&hm=532f8b4dcbcecaefa880f9ea0166469b2745e8b7e65fd169bbf001863af3e2b3&

He... just let me go?

[zenith wedge]

Have fun

[rain otter]

...this doesn't sound good?

[zenith wedge]

Just go 🔫

[rain otter]

Alright alright I'll go!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1026568872117149737/1233091854745075832/image.png?ex=662bd5c7&is=662a8447&hm=d8e5e6da3aa06fd327fcae080d2decdffd12a3a7508e37ed030fb1d6e8140c5e&

Charon MVP

[rain otter]

Ok, the epilogue

I love the game

I'll oviously still play it, but I wanted to still leave my impression

The voices, the characters, the gameplay, the fact that a defeat is a part of the story and not a reset

Everything is made really well and with love

The game is brilliant

[main flint]

Congrats on reaching the credits!

[rain otter]

Thanks!

[supple walrus]

random thought, at first i disliked the phrase "fear is for the weak" because i hate when weakness and being afraid are posited as something negative, but then i realized

the phrase also means it's ok to be afraid when you are, in fact, weak. and by itself it doesn't judge that

[pseudo stump]

Oh yeah! There was often a guy at a table on the main walkway of my university who displayed a similar phrase: "religion is for the weak"

To clarify, he very much meant it in the same vein

[frank helm]

How does Theseus get to be in Elysium? Isn't this the same guy who tried to kidnap Persephone? The Olympians don't seem particularly fond of him either.

[supple walrus]

now that you say that i feel like we talked about this here before and i forgot

[supple walrus]

he's a hero. heroes go to elysium. they don't have to be morally good like modern heroes

dad has dialog about how the heroes aren't that great to him

[pseudo stump]

I think you're right! Deja vuuuuuu

[earnest terrace]

As Hades himself said: "Elysium isn't for the good, it's for the great"

What matters is that you accomplished significant things, not whether you were a good person while doing them

Nor even whether those things were even necessarily good

[mortal dune]

What’s especially hilarious about this point is that even though Hades himself doesn’t like it he (as literal King) has not changed it since he got there

Sure maybe the mortals would riot or something but him not even like, considering it is so silly to me

[trail reef]

I liek cheeseburger

[outer gale]

Ever tried kebab?

[rain otter]

Ok, I just beat the ugraded heros. Giving Theseus a car and a machiene gun is extremely funny

[trail reef]

YES

I LIKE IT

[trail reef]

vroom vroom

[sick anvil]

dionysus his top opp

[sick anvil]

also based pfp and username

[sick anvil]

wait he gets WHT

im only using that pact from now on bro

[open berry]

its very funny and he laughs maniacally as he speeds around the arena

[sick anvil]

IM YSUNG THAT PCT BRO

IDC IF IT GOES HIGHER THAN MY low HEAT GAUGE

GIVE !! HIM!!! A CAR!!!!

[zenith wedge]

em3 should always be recommended

not bc its easy but bc its hilarious

[sick anvil]

YES

[lucid basin]

Definition of a tweakster

[sick anvil]

tweakeus

[frank helm]

That's what I was mainly wondering. Even if Theseus is eligible for Elysium, if he has personal beef against Hades, Hades can just say “You know what, screw this guy” and put him in Tartarus anyway.

Yeah but I guess Hades doesn't let his personal grudges affect his judgement.

[sick anvil]

True

Also doesnt he have like

a panel of judges

i only remember king minos is on it

[frank helm]

In the mythologies he does.

They don't seem to be there in this game.

[sick anvil]

Damn

oh yeah

he has like

that line

[trail reef]

Kill minos

[untold tide]

Judgement

[trail reef]

thy end is now

[sick anvil]

CRUSH!! prepare thyself

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1205958052050632744/1233812317653827745/Snaptik.app_7342610155458055456.mov?ex=662e74c3&is=662d2343&hm=435693540817ed0bc201c6ad0fb4cca6bfd934ce7df2109da7045c4548cde78b&

[opaque pawn]

Don't think I'll ever get over this line (final boss intro) ||we're gods boy.|| Ugh it's just always going to give me chills

[obsidian mica]

Ahh I think I’ve finally unlocked the next step in Achilles story!!

[sly cloak]

JUDGEMENT

[sick anvil]

is blud a polygon

[sly cloak]

the devs reduced my polygon count

[sick anvil]

dev polygon scandal

[frozen jolt]

Ok I’ll take this here bc it’s relevant
Was dusa implied to be trans at some point or am I misremembering. There is So much dialogue in this game

Canonically I mean

I know she is ace but I remember something about it… I don’t know how to find it though

Melakar kind of answered but pinging @open berry Just in case u know what I’m talking about specifically

[mortal dune]

I wouldn’t call it an implication necessarily, in that the line itself was too vague to be about transness itself

[frozen jolt]

?

[mortal dune]

(Sorry sent it too early)

[frozen jolt]

I don’t remember the line

[mortal dune]

It went something like “I’ve left it behind me an am much happier now without it” or something

So the implication here is body dysmorphia at minimum, which could then be extrapolated into body dysphoria

Persephone also has a couple lines that could be extrapolated into a beat about transness, when she talks about changing her name

[frozen jolt]

I think, then, it would be too vague about dysmorphia either 🤔

[frozen jolt]

Well her previous name meant “young maiden”. Considering she’s a woman I find it hard to believe that it’s the intention

Dusa feels more intentional, implied or even hinted at to me

even if it’s not as direct as her being ace

[mortal dune]

In my mind sometimes a story doesn’t have to be a direct 1-1 to be about a certain thematic element, y’know? Fundamentally the Persephone-Kore bit is about Persephone finding an identity and a presentation that suits her more than what was assigned to her at birth, so it reflects elements of a trans-story in that way and thus, if someone chooses, can be interpreted as such I feel

[mortal dune]

As I’ve been taught, dysmorphia is more about one’s dislike of their body for perceived flaws with it (so Dusa not liking her body on an aesthetic level), which is a much easier connection to make with the line as it exists versus dysphoria, which is about a deep feeling of disconnection one feels towards their body via gender identity specifically

They’re both possible interpretations 👍

[upbeat willow]

Important to note: dysmorphia isn't just a dislike of percieved body flaw(s).
Its much more than that and effects those are dysmorphic a heckin lot

[mortal dune]

Oh for sure

It’s much more intense than just dislike that was just the first word I could think of as well as the word it’s defined by in the dictionary 😅

[sick anvil]

regained your polygons i see

woah dusa gender

i love this game 🙏 how many genres is this thjng

[mortal dune]

Like, one I think

I think it’s just a straightforward roguelike, right?

[mortal dune]

I like that Hypnos shares more colours with Chaos than Nyx, Charon, or Than. It’s a cool way to show he’s a bit of a black sheep among them

[normal zephyr]

I KNEW I WASNT THE ONLY ONE WHO NOTICED

ive been saying this to my friends but they already think im cray cray

do you think the reason Nyx favors Than more than Hypnos is bc of how similar he seems to be with Chaos

i mean

in a dream the limit is your imagination after all

their domains seems to cross much more than Nyx's other children

[mortal dune]

I don't know if it's necessarily that Hypnos is like Chaos, because what she disliked in Chaos was their lack of real empathy? If that makes sense? They drifted apart because Chaos was a largely uninvolved parent- which is a little ironic, considering everything

But Chaos would definitely see more value in Hypnos than Nyx would, which could create discord between them for sure

Hypnos and his realm are far more closely intertwined with the lives of mortals than Nyx's or even Thanatos, in that the latter all work from a distance where he has to work up close and personal. Both in the codex and in general mythology Hypnos is considered to be a kind and gentle god, of which is complimented by his cheery disposition- also of which is contasted by the darker, more gothic dispositions of his family.

All this to say, Hypnos is himself a bit of a wrong note- he's so different from his family it makes him weird and a little unpredictable to them, which I think Chaos would enjoy :)

I so so so desperately hope the two of them interact in Hades 2

[solar depot]

i love their weird little grandson

[timber thistle]

Why does Hades not throw his spear for range? Is he stupid?

[zenith wedge]

em4:

[timber thistle]

Damn they really made me pay so Hades can play with the Y button

[limber widget]

finally rolled credits on hades 1 in time for hades 2!

[exotic sedge]

Now to go after the Epilogue while the wait continues!

[limber widget]

there's an epilogue? 😭

[exotic sedge]

Yes

Max relationship with the gods

And keep talking with people to eventually trigger the true ending

Depending on how much of that you've done, shouldn't take too long

[limber widget]

oh i see, guess I need to get round to that, thank you

[exotic sedge]

Plus, there's some other sidequests you can also do!

But a thing at a time

[loud umbra]

Is there another thing to do for hermes to unlock his hearts? Hes the only character I have left to max out hearts for but even after I completed his quest to defeat charon twice he hasn't unlocked his hearts. He did acknowledge it with a voiceline the next time i spoke to him but its been a couple of runs now and he still hasn't unlocked

[zenith wedge]

Talk to him with his keepsake at 3*

[loud umbra]

I did that as well but he didnt say anything ill try again though maybe i just need to do it a few more times thank you 💖

[exotic sedge]

You sure his keepsake was maxed out?

[zenith wedge]

If yes then have fun with the rng

[exotic sedge]

He needs to speak of it three times

[zenith wedge]

Wait he has 3 dialogues for that?

[exotic sedge]

Yeah

He needs to speak three times about his keepsake

That's his favor

[zenith wedge]

Huh, where did you see that

[exotic sedge]

The wiki

I'm pretty sure he needs to talk three times

I actually went to check again, but they didn't actually say how many times

[zenith wedge]

That's why I asked lol, was also checking

[exotic sedge]

Maybe I'm hallucinating

Mixing it with the fact the plume must be maxed at 3*

Or something

[zenith wedge]

Disciple of hermes caught spreading misinfo about hermes himself

[exotic sedge]

Regardless, I think that in the game he has at least three dialogues about the plume

Even if you don't have to hear them all for his favor

Let me check what Youtube has to say about his favor

[exotic sedge]

Ok, survey says he only needs to speak of it once

But there is more than one plume related dialogue in the whole game

That must have been what threw me off

[loud umbra]

pog i got it on my latest run i think maybe i did just have another dialogue blocking it the previous time

but his was the first one i maxed out so im sure that i def talked to him more than 3 times w it

[exotic sedge]

Well, glad you finally got it

[exotic sedge]

To be fair, misinformation is a very Hermes thing, so I'm being a very good disciple lol

[fallen jackal]

best aspect on exagryph?

[zenith wedge]

Eris/hestia

If you have low amounts of blood go er9s

[fallen jackal]

im at level 2 with hestia

[fallen jackal]

damn i didnt think it'd be that strong

i think i killed the aspect with this hammer boon that makes it so i dont have to reload

lmao

[zenith wedge]

You can still reload

[fallen jackal]

oh you're right

[fallen jackal]

oh this was the wrong channel

lmao

[atomic wagon]

In game lore, demeter is our grandma instead of our grandma/aunt right

[pseudo stump]

Yep!

[mortal dune]

Yes

Demeter is the child of Hyperion and not Chronos in this

So are Hestia and Hera

[elder summit]

Why don’t we just poor cold water on Hypnos head?

[earnest terrace]

for what purpose

[pseudo stump]

To make him cold and damp, of course!

[frank helm]

Let my guy sleep

[devout summit]

if he makes us suffer like that then no he doesn't deserve to

[earnest terrace]

what suffering

[devout summit]

By making fun of us every time we die

Also question

Is it ever established who the disembodied voice is describing stuff

[earnest terrace]

Not in Hades 1

Hades 2 makes it rather clear

[devout summit]

Then I don't wanna know atm

[earnest terrace]

Fair lmao

[devout summit]

Still trying to beat the first one

Only got it like 3 days ago

[supple walrus]

there is a thing that can be bought from the house contractor that might give you an idea who it is, hades 2 is just really obvious about it in probably the first two hours of playing

[open berry]

hes not making fun of you though. the dialogue hints multiple times that he genuinely believes he's being helpful

hes just like. bad at social cues yknow.

[silk needle]

I am trying to complete the epilogue achievement with minimum spoilers as possible what is the important one step to achieve this?? Completed 100 runs won maybe 30, completed heat 16.

[frozen jolt]

deepen your friendships with everyone, and keep talking to them

[native rapids]

someone help me understand the sequal pls i played the first one like crazy

bought the 2nd one now

but idk whats the story behind it

[frozen jolt]

you can ask any questions you have in the #h2-discussion

it's a direct sequel, and i can imagine the game's story will speak for itself

[mossy spruce]

hi ||I got thousands of fish and always caught one before talking to poseidon, he even commented "I'm told a number of underwater denizens from my domain were captured fair and square..." but his favor is still locked||

what should I do?

[frozen jolt]

you can keep the fish with you instead of turning them in to the chef, then use his keepsake

eventually youll get the heart dialogue

[mossy spruce]

so it is rng based? because I also have the requirement for getting ares quest completed but he still haven't give me the quest

thank you for answering it nonetheless

[frozen jolt]

you need to have caught a fish before talking to him, so the easiest thing is to just keep the fish from a previous run

[muted kiln]

||Is there more story after i take god of venture home?||

[static lion]

if u mean ||persephone|| then yes

[muted kiln]

I see thanks

The game feels stale now

[static lion]

there's lots of different duo boons and weapons and aspects to make each run feel more unique

so u can try some new fun builds to keep it interesting

[quasi forum]

do guys use the death defiance card?

[static lion]

card?

[quasi forum]

like stuff on the door way before choosing a weapon

[static lion]

yes

death defiances are good

[earnest terrace]

as the game gets harder, you can't not use death defiances

otherwise you will never get anywhere

[earnest terrace]

#h2-story-discussion , please

[calm egret]

I swear I pressed that

[mental thicket]

Question to see if I messed up - is there a point in raising your relationship with || Dusa || that will lock you completely out of the possibility of || getting a menage a toi (sp?) with Thanatos and Meg? ||

I thought I had raised my relationships with everyone kinda simultaneously but then hit a point where I can't give nectar or ambrosia to certain characters, but can give Ambrosia to others. I didn't think I'd "crossed the point of no return" because I havent given the ambrosia yet (that felt like a 'next step' move that would lock me in) and my dialogues with everyone didn't really give me the impression I was locked into a specific path in that regard

It's nothing I'm gonna restart a save point for but I wanted to try to adjust my nectar/ambrosia hoarding accordingly, but googling relationship stuff might spoil story points I haven't reached 😦

[frozen jolt]

youre not locked in, dont worry

theres no point of no return because you can give ambrosia to whever you want as much as you want

[atomic wagon]

Am I stupid or does hades have a point? Haven’t done 10th clear yet
-provides son with resources
-son doesn’t do his chores and runs around breaking stuff
-son is at risk of starting a war with the olympians
-is an average authoritarian hardass dad
-doesn’t seem abusive, just exacting

[pseudo stump]

Hades isn't wrong in many respects, but giving Zagreus the cold shoulder for years and years kinda undermines a lot of it. Something something sans love resounding gong

[patent agate]

Yeah, he's more worried about Cerberus than Zagreus. Is like if Hades didn't want three kids and no money, but no kids and three money.

[north cypress]

the story is carefully set up such that you can see how their conflict developed on both sides, but Hades is definitely mega harsh sometimes. I'm a fairly sensitive person which def colors my perspective, but I'd argue there's at least a few things he says to Zag that, while not explicitly violent or profane, are super scathing and come off more as trying to get under his skin or get back at him than achieve anything constructive.
I think the fact that Nyx puts her foot down with Hades at least once(?) says a lot too re: how he can start to get too focused on results over everything else. Definitely not an evil guy or anything tho

[earnest terrace]

Yeah I wouldn't call Hades abusive necessarily, but there's definitely an argument to be made that he's emotionally neglectful and not the best at actually encouraging or inspiring Zagreus

His approach often seems to be just "do this or you're bad," which is not exactly a very constructive way of going about it

And just immediately dismissing Zagreus' own views and preferences as naive or foolish

[north cypress]

Yeah the question of him being abusive is complicated I think, and outside the scope of what I'd feel comfortable talking about myself so I'd have to duck out, but the game plays with a lot of dynamics and ideas that are going to be very familiar to a lot of people from/in toxic or abusive situations. There's a good breakdown of those somewhere on Tumblr but I don't know where it went sadly

Zag's need to escape is arguably just as much about Hades as it is wanting to find his mom, for example

[glass kestrel]

how do i free Sisyphus from his punishment? its the only achievement ive yet to get besides Complete Set and Friends Forever

[valid fjord]

Talking to him and Hades enough i tihnk are two requirements thatn it just sometihng you buy

[silent apex]

I'm willing to put it out there that Hades isn't abusive. At least, not purposely/maliciously abusive.

Abrasive and rude? Definitely. But he is NOT doing it out of malice. I don’t even think he’s spiteful in the way you'd see from the standard abusive father figures you might see in other media.

He loves Zagreus, and wants his son to be better at his administrative work. He treated Persephone with immense love and respect- so much so he's pretty much the most unproblematic Greek God in non-Hades discourse. There's even a dialogue showing (late game spoilers) ||disdain for Zeus kidnapping her.|| between him and Zagreus.

I feel the major impacts of Hades' attitude (intentional or otherwise) against Zagreus was offset by Nyx's care and motherly support. That doesn't excuse his ineptitude as a father figure.

(As an aside, this is not an argument meant to defend or justify abusive behavior. Simply a perspective and my own thoughts on a character from a game I immensely enjoy. Abusers have a special place in Hades and will see no respect from me.)

[earnest terrace]

I do feel like there's also an argument to be made that the whole debacle over Zagreus (initially) being stillborn and Persephone leaving from the grief probably left Hades with some severe doubts and mixed feelings

Like, he loves Zagreus, but the latter is also a perpetual reminder of what happened with Persephone

[north cypress]

for sure, and the game even says as much at one point doesn't it? (I can't remember 😂 )

It's been a few years since I did the main story for Hades 1, but the vibe I kinda get from Hades is that he wasn't fully prepared, emotionally, to be a parent (not unwilling, just not fully prepared), much less in the circumstances that it happened in and those which came about as time went on. He's gruff and loves rules and order and everything being in its place at the time it's supposed to, and it seems to have been very personally challenging for him to adjust to the reality of what parenthood entails. Add on then, everything surrounding the situation, and whew.
(to be clear, I don't say this as any kind of knock on Hades - parenthood challenges literally everyone who goes through it and on top of that he and Zag have very different personalities, which is more what I'm referring to! ^_^ )

[earnest terrace]

Hades definitely isn't a perfect person, but he had to deal with a lot of unfair stuff that understandably impacted him emotionally and that he can't be blamed for

[native gyro]

He got stuck in the worst place on the planet, but the Underworld is cooler because of his renovations, doing paperwork all day while Zeus put a burden on him that could start a war

[earnest terrace]

I can only imagine how bitter he feels knowing that he's stuck forever in the Underworld whereas the Olympian gods can go wherever they want, including the Underworld

[native gyro]

They arent welcome. Hades wont let them in, except Hermes because of his work

[earnest terrace]

But they can freely roam about if they want to if Hades allows them, e.g. the epilogue party

Whereas Hades literally can't go onto the surface world no matter how much 'permission' he gets from the Olympians

Hermes just proves my point

[atomic forge]

Does hades also have the problem of "taken by styx"? I thought it was just Zagereus.

[north cypress]

he does! he just doesn't usually get on its bad side as much as Zag does haha

[atomic forge]

Damn, makes sense why he is so pissed.

Being stuck in the underworld forever.

[native gyro]

If you refer of the curse from the sister of fates yeah, Hades pretty much is trolled at this point by them

[earnest terrace]

yep

[atomic forge]

And he saw the outside world beforehand, so it is kinda worse for him

[earnest terrace]

legit got the worst trade deal in the history of trade deals

[lost scaffold]

Doesn't the curse of Hades only directly refer to the spawn of Hades, rather than the guy himself?

[native gyro]

@lost scaffold it refers to the people who were born in the realm , for ex Thanatos, in one of the encounters he mentions he cant stay out of the underworld much himself

[mental thicket]

Underworld realm really got the rawest ends of the deal in general

[magic hazel]

is the game playable at 45 fps?

[slate creek]

Do you need to increase the heat to keep progressing in story?

[signal crater]

Nope, it's just an optional challenge, though it will give a little bit of extra dialogue here and there

[slate creek]

Thank you! I thought u need to icnreae the heat

[signal crater]

No worries, have fun!!:D

[magic hazel]

Guys does the heats affect hades fps?

[frigid mirage]

Ok hold on

Is Nyx Meg's mother?

[frozen jolt]

I don’t think so

[pseudo stump]

Nyx is as a mother to Meg, but not actual mother

[rain otter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1026568872117149737/1239257995641098320/image.png?ex=66424472&is=6640f2f2&hm=a3b164a9aa1f2d50630043c6359533dafeb044db4dd13eeadc799ced73916f3c&

Is this the epilogue?

[pseudo stump]

Yes

[rain otter]

Ok

[cosmic hatch]

how many times do i have to go through this game before meg starts letting me give her ambrosia

[pseudo stump]

I was able to start that process around run #130

[cosmic hatch]

well i beat the main quest

very happy with it

[atomic wagon]

not a lot, you just have to bond with her and pray to dialogue rng
I was in the high 40s or low 50s when I gave her my first ambrosia

[pseudo stump]

That's so quick

[atomic wagon]

than and meg both had ambrosia in that range
Zagreus has unmatched charizzma

[atomic wagon]

Theseus didn’t try to kidnap Persephone in the game lore? Ain’t no way Hades would’ve let him off the hook that easily

[north cypress]

I don't think so, if for no other reason than like you said, Theseus definitely wouldn't be in Eysium anymore 😂

he'd probably be enjoying some nice quality time with the Furies instead

[pseudo stump]

I wonder how much he'd annoy each of the Furies

[north cypress]

oh man haha

"mmmmuuuurder!"
//stage voice "is that all you have to say to me!"

he would do so well in wrestling.

[pseudo stump]

Absolute heel of a man

[normal zephyr]

thats weird i gave her and than ambrosia on my 20th ish run

[atomic wagon]

Than hadn’t even shown up for me 7 times on my 20th

Just rng ig

[native rapids]

whats the sequal from one to two? i played one where is the connection i didnt get i t

[remote badger]

did you mean the story connection between Hades 1 and Hades 2?

[scenic bolt]

what do you have to do to get the epilogue ??

i've done hella runs and it's just not happening

[zenith wedge]

Need to have Dem first talk about persephone a few times iirc, some dialogue with mom until the queen's plan prophecy shows up

After that you need to max your bond with 6 of the olympians

[scenic bolt]

ohhhhmy goddddd

[zenith wedge]

(dem counts as max once you reach the lock)

[scenic bolt]

my poor nectar

[zenith wedge]

After that more dialogue with Persephone until she mentions invitations, talk to each god once and soon after should be done

[scenic bolt]

thank you thank you

[zenith wedge]

If you have done the chaos-nyx quest you may need to talk to them too

[scenic bolt]

good to know

[visual grove]

i can just start a new save if I wanna experience the story again right?

been playing 2 and wanna play through the 1st story again

[pseudo stump]

Yeah

[atomic wagon]

Why does Dusa require so much more ambrosia

[pseudo stump]

She's very physically active!

[zenith wedge]

restocking the lounge

[hoary trench]

Mechanically, she just has more to say/more content to the finish of her relationship arch.

[orchid leaf]

If anyone happens to have a clip of zagreus getting the job from Hades to be the security testing officer for the underworld and could link it to me it'd be appreciated. Searching Hades zagreus conversation gives me results for the entire game, not just between the two.

[pseudo stump]

Boop. Watch for a few min starting at my timestamp: https://youtu.be/XsQgdsI1Izc?t=4952

[orchid leaf]

Baller ty

[pseudo stump]

Noooo pls delete spoilers

Lest I steal your potato chips

[fast remnant]

on it. had no idea how this happened. (leave the lays alone)

and now my penchant for typing multiple messages instead of writing one paragraph makes deleting them individually a pain XD

[zenith wedge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1229078264811618305/1240082899257131069/Screenshot_20240514-192552.png?ex=664544b2&is=6643f332&hm=3dbe9b230d9b3fdee3286e1723e9a327661ca3815df1fd7881a20a3444ee71a7& from a Logan interview

(https://www.gameinformer.com/exclusive-interview/2024/05/14/hades-voice-actor-logan-cunningham-on-finding-his-voice-favorite)

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1229078264811618305/1240083849892073534/Screenshot_20240514-192910.png?ex=66454595&is=6643f415&hm=84e4647c856b31155b5c81d3d128646736f63825c7d69c180f8795f3ae3056f5&

[coral cedar]

will the eldest sigil upgrade not appear unless i have the right amount of darkness? or did i miss smth... i just got the nyx convo abt it but it didnt appear at the contractor!

[supple walrus]

vhhsghghc the way logan summarizes hades makes him sound like my dad, apparently i have been playing this game because of daddy issues all along🥲 freud would be so proud

[molten finch]

yall help me out here how do i unlock the beowulf shield

[opal kraken]

So one thing I wonder, was Charon born looking like that? Or did he get to into his work like his sister?

[zenith vault]

I think it’s pinned somewhere

Here

@molten finch

[molten finch]

thank you!

[sand kernel]

what happened to that bot

this is a hades channel, not a hades II channel
try #h2-story-discussion

[pseudo stump]

The bot lives in #h1-discussion

[sand kernel]

makes sense ig

[tough latch]

Whoops, misread the tag. Sorry

[uncut adder]

Tisi?

[zealous arrow]

Tisiphone

[supple walrus]

i think he was was wondering which sister they meant. tis isn't charon's sister though

afaik there is no dialog that mentions wether or not charon always looked liked that

[vagrant heath]

If I were to go with a head canon (no lore support), it'd make sense to me that the Gods wouldn't be born the way they are now. They would've changed over time to suit their role.

Especially if I think of IRL mythology, and how certain gods can change over time

[zenith wedge]

#h2-story-discussion (pls delete)

[strong skiff]

god this server reminds me of hardcore survival again...

[tawdry citrus]

omg so homer is the one that kicks off all of hades?

[glass kestrel]

im so lost on how to free Sisyphus

I've maxed out my nectar bond with him

I've maxed out my ambrosia bonds with Meg, Nyx, and Hades

and yet for the past like 20 runs, nothing

and like i dont have much else left in terms of dialogue

i just dont get what im doing wrong

[zenith wedge]

Rng issue most probably

[glass kestrel]

ugh

im 3 achievements away from completion

[zenith wedge]

Just gotta push through it sadly

[glass kestrel]

and 2 of them will be completed once I free him

and the last one im almost done with

one must imagine Sisyphus a stubborn ass

yknow what? at this point, i think i should just not free him. out of spite.

[atomic forge]

Okay, so here's the question Hades 2 is released, and Im downloading it right now. I never got around to unveiling the plot of the gods by stuffing them all full of jelly. So what's the plot on that front?

[zenith wedge]

They pull the "persephone ate pomegranate seeds so she's bound to the underworld" as a lie

Zag asks mom if the Olympians know it's a like and she goes "even if they know they won't find it worth it to discuss"

[atomic forge]

Was there a rebellion that I missed?

[zenith wedge]

Nope

The epilogue was to prevent a war in case the truth on why persephone was gone was revealed

[atomic forge]

I got that far. But there was something I needed to do with sating the gods?

[zenith wedge]

If you mean how to trigger the epilogue?

Max nectar with 6 of 8 olympians, bunch of talk with mom > invite all gods by talking to them

#h2-story-discussion

Delete the other one too

[weary totem]

^_^ thanks for the help

[swift crown]

How do I know if I'll trigger the 3some scene with Than and Meg? I've maxed out both relationships and saw their individual bed scenes and Meg has been the only one with a heart icon above her head sometimes 😭

Like do they both need heart icons or I need to go to Zag's room before talking to them or???

[frozen jolt]

it’s completely random, they will both be absent from the house but appear when you go into zags room

[regal furnace]

Zagreus: I mean, Dusa if you REALLLY don't want it then I guess I'll take it back
Me: AMBROSIA!!!!

[sand kernel]

there's a threesome scene?!?!?

[shut charm]

Just finished the epilogue! Nyx said something about inviting chaos, but I never got the chance to do that…

[fiery python]

I love the way achilles and patroclus's quest ends and how you forge their bonds. Super sweet

also I think Zag himself might be one of my favorite protagonists ever

[zealous arrow]

He’s up there for me, he’s super relatable

[zenith wedge]

#h2-story-discussion (please delete)

[patent acorn]

Can you delete this message?

[brave flame]

????

[zenith wedge]

Hades 2 spoilers

[supple walrus]

maybe we could get the bot telling people this isn't a hades 2 channel in here...?

[pseudo stump]

Maybe even every Hades channel! I've been getting spoiled left and right

[patent acorn]

@full kindle if you wouldn't mind, could you sticky that message in all of the hades 1 channels

[full kindle]

?stick This channel (and category) is for discussing the first Hades game. Please go to #h2-discussion to talk about Hades II.

?stickspeed 2min

[zenith wedge]

Ty

[patent agate]

I just learned what happens when you steal from Charon

never expected for the scratch disco sound

[dreamy wing]

Same
Especially i just read song of achilles before all that so its even more wholesome for me,,,

[fiery python]

A big thing i like as well is how the patroclus portrait changes

He looks so cool in all his glory

[dreamy wing]

OH YEAH FRRRR

Have you seen him and achilles when u use their companion summon

[fiery python]

Oh nah, I've just stuck to than's

Might have to try it

[patent agate]

TIL you get mocked for being killed by a tiny rat.

In my defense (?), I picked the wrong boon for the Stygian blade.

This game has everything.

[pseudo stump]

https://tenor.com/view/have-at-thee-ratatouille-gif-11199067726130995678

[patent agate]

That was my reaction as well

"oh a tiny ra- OMG!"

I can kill Asterius with closed eyes but a tiny Vermin?

Who wins?

[The son of a mortal and a God] - [A tiny half-dead rat]

[pseudo stump]

I want to know how SGG playtesters (i.e. everyone at SGG) reacted when they heard the roar

I appreciate that Tony is just inexplicably, terrifyingly strong. No justification whatsoever

[patent agate]

And how Greg Kasavin had to keep a straight face while saying "lol you got killed by a rat"

[dreamy wing]

Literally us all + Zagreus 😂😂😂

[tropic tulip]

is the hades universe in a god of war type situation where each region/country of the world has the gods of the religion most people follow?

[tropic tulip]

asking this because of aspect of Lucifer

[earnest terrace]

One would assume so

Unless they're going to argue that all gods from other faiths/systems are 'below' that of the Greek gods

[sand kernel]

Well, if thats true, I can't wait for the Aspect of Allah.

[earnest terrace]

I don't think they're willing to go quite that far

[sand kernel]

you dont say 😄

[zealous arrow]

Some of the hidden aspects are described as “future” aspects, which means their wielders haven’t come to take up the weapon yet.

What the game is saying with the presence of these aspects though is that there are other pantheons in the world of Hades that have or will come to be outside of Greece, but characters like the Fates have a hand in essentially all myths and faiths

[stiff patio]

i'm very confused how to do zeus' favor I started with his boon then got 5 others.. am I missing something?

[earnest terrace]

But even then, each pantheon typically has their own 'Fate' equivalents, e.g. the Norns in Norse myth

So how would one resolve that

[zenith wedge]

You need him to talk about wanting to reconnect with dad (+ dad's opinion) and each god's opinion on zeus

[stiff patio]

how do I do that .-. i'm very confused

[zenith wedge]

Random mostly

Just take zeus boons then talk with the others and hope they give the right dialogue

[stiff patio]

is it 5 of the right dialogue in 1 run? or just 5 ever

[zenith wedge]

In total

Tho idk if the game expects you to have hermes or dem talking about him?

Probably does

[stiff patio]

I feel like unlocking the epilogue is kinda hard :l

[zenith wedge]

You could ignore him and do someone else's favor

You only need 6 out of 8

Start working on others and if zeus happens to unlock, neat

[stiff patio]

So ig I skip Demeter and Zeus

[zenith wedge]

Demeter counts as one of the 6 when reaching the lock actually

[zealous arrow]

They could also be the same entity

[zenith wedge]

Cuz y'know, her favor is the epilogue

[stiff patio]

Wait a minute…

[zealous arrow]

Entities*

[stiff patio]

So it’s really 5/8 then Demeter is the 6th?

[zenith wedge]

Yeah

[stiff patio]

Oh that’s less bad

[zenith wedge]

What gods have you maxed?

[stiff patio]

Hermes Athena ares Dionysus and then Artemis should hopefully be soon … her thing is taking so many runs

[zenith wedge]

Can work on pos's while doing arty

Catch 18 fish then have at least one with you when talking to him

[stiff patio]

I’m missing 1 fish I don’t think I react fast enough for the rare thing to proc

[zenith wedge]

It doesn't need to have rarity iirc

That's for the prophecy

[stiff patio]

Oh

Wait it’s just 18 fish on me at once?

[zenith wedge]

"catch 25 fish including one rare and report to Poseidon"

[zenith wedge]

In total and keep at least one with you

[earnest terrace]

But the Fates are established to be Nyx's daughters

So one would have to conclude that Nyx's offspring became the 'fates' for every pantheon in existence

[stiff patio]

I’ve caught so many fish

Can the fish I bring him come from a past run

Like the 1

[zenith wedge]

Yeah

Just don't deliver them to the cook

[stiff patio]

Oh

So I need another 25 fish

I’ve delivered them all to the cook 🙂

[zenith wedge]

Just keep the next one you find

You already have the 18 fish total caught part

[stiff patio]

oh ok

[zealous arrow]

It could also be that Chaos has offspring we just don’t know about from other mythologies, and that he’s the progenitor of everything in all faiths

It does get a bit confusing tbh

[earnest terrace]

Or that all the pantheons are entirely separate from each other from the start, and the weapon aspects are just 'aware' of heroes from other regions

Plenty of possible theories

[pseudo stump]

Do any of the aspects represent anybody who exists outside our material universe? Or is everyone on Earth

[silent gust]

I've always been a fan of the idea that Odin is actually Hermes

[patent acorn]

lucifer?

chaos?

[pseudo stump]

Oh hecc

Thanks

[remote minnow]

Idk if it's spoiler, so I'll mark it as one. Question is about late game Thanatos.

|| Does anyone know if Thanatos has a line after you finish the game? I haven't seen him at all since the "true" ending, almost everything else is maxed out, most gods just give the repeatable lines at this point, and the house is chill except from Hades and mother. I've had like 30-40 runs since finishing the story, kept playing because I wanted to see Than again, but he didn't come. I know I haven't done all encounters with him yet, I fear that with finishing the story I've cut myself off from a scene I've been working hard towards. (He was the first I maxed nectars for, done the ambrosia as well, and had him show up to an important meeting once.)

If it helps, I've been running with butterfly+mort, I usually can ramp with butterfly to 20% damage boost. ||

[zenith wedge]

Just bad luck

Also butterfly doesn't affect his spawn rate

[remote minnow]

I've read on Reddit that you have to take damage for him to come, but that seems weird to me. Is it real though? Because then I'll just start conceding some health at the start of each chamber and switch the keepsake for something else.

[zenith wedge]

False

If it was true some speedrunners would see him all the time

[pseudo stump]

Hah, Reddit! They've a "You can find Mew under the truck!" playground energy

[remote minnow]

Thanks. I had a hunch but had to ask. Then I guess I'll just continue to fulfill my duty and try to escape.

[uncut adder]

https://youtu.be/pMb_KC4Cd4w?si=MoRfI_cVBUzXaWwP

[remote minnow]

It really was just that, played some more and he showed up, and did it every third-fourth run since then. Feels like he had some scripted downtime after game completeion, as if he would've been busy working on surface stuff.

[normal zephyr]

i gave Hypnos all my nectars and ambrosia only for this guy to call me his best friend

ive been pining after this silly sleep god for ages only to find out he's not romaceble sob

got friend zoned by hypnos im going to cry

[abstract sage]

I FELT THAT.

[pseudo stump]

The boy has a crush on Meg though!

[zenith wedge]

Follow the bot

[uncut adder]

I didn’t know even realise, sry.

[patent agate]

TIL Zaggy called the Hydra "Lernie". I wonder if he had called Cerberus with pet names too lol

[zealous arrow]

Have you considered sulking in the lounge

[unreal dagger]

I can't believe this myth is still going around

[normal zephyr]

i have, multiple times, to be exact 😔😔

[remote minnow]

It was sketchy enough that I cougth wind it's probably false, but nevertheless: what once gets out, will just spread since it's the internet. Also I was looking for a dev to say "no, why would we do something like that" but didn't find it, so that might be a reason why it's still out there.

[glacial sun]

I have a question, who is the face in aspect of zeus shield?

[patent acorn]

honestly no clue

[full kindle]

Hi all, just a quick note that I am updating the channel names here & in the Hades II category, you'll start to see those rolling out shortly. There are no other changes beyond the channel names being updated. 👍

[solemn pagoda]

Asked a friend who's a classicist and big into Hades, and they say it's very likely a take on a gorgon head, as Aegis was carried by Zeus before he gave it to athena

[remote minnow]

Yepp, it should be Medusa's head on the shield

[tawdry citrus]

supergiant could have just let zagreus tend to the garden in peace but they decided to have the narrator choose violence lol

[earnest terrace]

@inner warren The whole 'pomegranate forces you to remain in the underworld' thing is a ruse by Persephone to convince the gods to allow her to come back to the underworld every now and then; it doesn't actually have that power

Zagreus being unable to leave the Underworld is because of his heritage, not whatever he ate