#h1-story-discussion

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wheat stump
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im mad at him cus he wont be in my ||bedroom||again

frozen jolt
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his eventual “what do you want” poof is not very appealing LOL

wheat stump
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meanwhile meg comes from the corner with a whip

rough flax
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my favorite is when you give him the second (?) ambrosia and zag is like "i dont wanna here your 'tch what is this zag'"
and thanatos says exactly that

wheat stump
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hes cute littlle puppyyy

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i will open second save list just so i can ||romance|| him again

rough flax
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he's such a paaaain Dx

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why won't he talk to me about hypnos aaaaaa

wheat stump
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oh

rough flax
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i have a huge crush on hypnos and

wheat stump
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i fulled hypnos too

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hypnos is simping for meg tho

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lol

rough flax
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i can't max him out bc thanatos keeps gay pining over me

wheat stump
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than is my baby

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he can gay pin me everywhere

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xD

rough flax
wheat stump
limber heath
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IS BIBLICAL GOD IN HADES? BCZ LUCIFER IS DUE TO HIS ASPECT AND ZUES MENTIONS HIM AND SAYS HE DISOBEYED HIS "lordfather" I NEED ANSWERS GOD DAM IT

supple walrus
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i think the way hades lore works any mythological being could be in it. though probably christian god wouldn't be the creator of everything

supple walrus
true harness
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I always headcanon it as "all myths are true" and the resulting paradoxes are resolved by being more or less different dimensions. Parallel universes

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So Chaos created the Hades universe, but God/YWVH might have created his own universe as well. And the two are parts of the same greater reality

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No idea how plausible it is, but it's the best way I found to conciliate everything

supple walrus
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yeah that makes sense

pseudo stump
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I dun like Than romance: looks way too much like relations with older brother

supple walrus
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because of the dynamic or because of nyx raising both of them?

wheat stump
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i just understood that he got mad that zag left home

pseudo stump
supple walrus
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makes sense. personally, i handwave that fact away because 1) to my understanding, than was an already an adult when zag was born so they wouldn't have had a classic sibling relationship, 2) romance starts after zag finds out nyx is not his birth mom and he changes a lot, 3) they are immortal greek gods and 4) fictional characters

can see why it would bother someone though

rough flax
# supple walrus makes sense. personally, i handwave that fact away because 1) to my understandin...

i don't think the first point is true cuz thanatos and zagreus talk about their past like they are childhood friends. also, persephone says at some point "i miss nyx and her young sons" implying that when she left, hypnos and thanatos were still children
this isn't me being against zagthan btw i ship them, mostly bc of the other points you brought up. i'm just a firm "hypnos, thanatos, and zagreus grew up together" believer

earnest terrace
# supple walrus makes sense. personally, i handwave that fact away because 1) to my understandin...

For me, in regards to the second point, just because Zagreus finds out that Nyx is not technically his birth mom does not change the fact that he was raised his entire life thinking she was, and it would hardly dispel all the emotions associated with that

And with point four, I mean sure, everyone's free to have their own headcanons about the characters, but it's kind of false to say "they're fictional we can just have them do whatever;" there's a reason why Supergiant went through so much effort to avoid overt incest in the first place

supple walrus
supple walrus
rough flax
supple walrus
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agamemnom and clytemnestra... all of the gods bullying mortals for looking at them wrong, or being too beautiful or to good at something or too ugly any bad at something or at the wrong place and time... everything re: the war of troy

rough flax
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DAYS of gameplay later i still haven't gotten that damn dialogue from hypnos

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i already got persephone back but i still couldn't get that god damned line i am so tired

left vortex
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is there... a reason artemis is a big fan of achilles in this game? part of greek mythos or what?

mortal dune
ocean nexus
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how many runs does it take to get persephone back?

true harness
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||10 successful escapes||

wheat stump
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||10th run is free,hades lets u go only that time||

ocean nexus
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oh nice

copper idol
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How long does it take to unlock the epilogue after credits roll if I have not done anything towards it

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And am I required to finish any runs to do it?

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~~ I still have not gotten to the credits roll, I’m kinda just planning out the remaining days of my vacation ~~

limber heath
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10 runs, all olympians favor, demeter cant be gotten until after epilogue so u gotta max her hearts as much

zenith wedge
rough flax
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if thanatos won't kill every mortal at the same time for hypnos, i will

pseudo stump
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I wonder why Nyx never made Zag a plushie

wheat stump
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Maybe in the future she will

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Zag still hasn't awakened his true form,he still gets help from the mirror in the game

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that's what i think

pseudo stump
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Smart!

neon acorn
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All this speculation is too exciting aaaaa

rough flax
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every time i remember that hypnos has dimples i screech so hard i levitate and hit the ceiling

lapis echo
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fun fact:||hypnos has dimples||

mortal dune
wheat stump
mortal dune
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I mean, maybe, though it’d be an odd prerequisite, since she’s never had such limitations on whom she gives the Companions to before

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Like, Zag is quite literally one of her favourite children, it’d be strange if she gave it to Dusa over him just because of that

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Although it is said that Nyx knew Fidi would end up with Zag anyway

wheat stump
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The companion owners have their own benefits already,tho thinking about zag hasn't find his true form yet,i think he can have a companion in hades 2

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It's a possibility tho i'm not sure too

mortal dune
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Yeah I imagine Zag will deffo have his own companion in 2, it’d just be a really cool thing

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Though that Would mean he’d be an npc with a questline

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Which would Also rock hard

wheat stump
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i would love to see a sister brother dialogs too like the people in hades house

mortal dune
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Mhm

wheat stump
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cus i think zag would love to have a sister

mortal dune
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I don’t know if it’d work like the House of Hades because Mel is on the surface, and Zag can’t go there

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I imagine he’d function like Eurydice or Patroclus, where you encounter him randomly on runs

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Zag is canonically a little apprehensive about having a sibling, but I don’t think he’d especially hate it!

wheat stump
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Let's see how things will turn out then!

mortal dune
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😁

true harness
mortal dune
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He doesn’t like Theseus :P

rough flax
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nobody likes theseus

wheat stump
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i don't like him too

supple walrus
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he only doesn't like theseus because the guy keeps being delusionally arrogant

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it's what i love about zag. he doesn't mind you cutting him up / breaking his bones / dismembering him. he even likes it! but people being unnecessarily mean: 🙅

mortal dune
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but its kayfabe :(

ocean nexus
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well, after a week of grinding

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I got the end credits

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time to grind out everything else zagsnooze

trail reef
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I HAD ENOUGH.

shadow tangle
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I love how arrogant Theseus is lmao

trail reef
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Tehe :3

rough flax
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no thoughts just my silly billy sleep god man

supple walrus
mortal dune
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I mean I imagined there was an unspoken contract within the Coliseum

supple walrus
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idk i can see theseus' pompousness being an act. (one that at some point became his personality bc he isn't doing anything else)

but zag and asterios don't seem to be acting

true harness
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yeah same

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I think some of Theseus shtick is genuine, but he's still playing it up by theatricality

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or whatever word this should be

mortal dune
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Like he’s definitely upset at Zag for ‘stealing Asterius away’ but the extent to which he dramatizes it, which is what annoys most people, is imaginably just for show

rough flax
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to get the epilogue, do i need all gods maxed, or only 6 of them?

zenith wedge
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6 of them

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Dem counts when reaching the lock

rough flax
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alr thnx

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only hermes left then

rough flax
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i need than for hypnos' favor and dude just won't appear

wheat stump
rough flax
wheat stump
rough flax
wheat stump
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even he comes to help u while u run

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u can still talk w him

rough flax
wheat stump
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u can just start runs and die to make him appear in the house

rough flax
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he appears in the hub only if he appears in the run tho?

wheat stump
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Nah i don't think so

rough flax
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i mean that's been true for me every time so far?

wheat stump
frozen jolt
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the keepsake will not make him appear more often, only if you encounter him in a round he will be at the house

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which is rng

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as well as the hypnos dialogue

wheat stump
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for me when i was using his keepsake i see him during my runs

rough flax
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ok i just got lucky and met thanatos HE BETTER TALK TO ME ABOUT HYPNOS

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hnn bro's talking about the damned olympians instead Dx

true harness
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ahah classic thanatos

rough flax
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i'm so fed up with this dude

rough flax
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i love how all the characters' keepsakes are powerful charms that make you stronger or help said characters find you in the underworld and then hypnos just gives you his wallet

earnest terrace
strong skiff
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That’s every bit of money that hades pays Hypnos, it’s all going to zag

ocean nexus
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Surprised Hypnos gets paid at all, with him always sleeping on the job

frozen jolt
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he's doing his best, ok

ocean nexus
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for being the god of sleep, he does alright, I do have to admit

supple walrus
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if my job was standing around at the same spot all day and / or night i would fall asleep all the time, too

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(or levitating at the same spot, i guess)

rough flax
fathom knot
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Time to write it off as a business expense

main flint
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I think they likely do it out of necessity and the certain perks that come with the position

strong skiff
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Hypnos does a hell of a job, offering advice to everyone that comes through and even hades himself admired his work

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On top of that he gives you his hard stolenearned money

main flint
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The only person in the underworld handling money is Charon and he only gets it as "payment" from the mortals that bring it with them lol

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Or so I like to think, idk if that's how it works in the SGG universe

strong skiff
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Hypnos probably just dreams about that money

main flint
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He's prolly dreaming about Meg lol

strong skiff
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Or the Minotaur

atomic forge
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Or both

strong skiff
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We need more story bout him in hades 2

atomic forge
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Yes we do

trail reef
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Tehe

mortal dune
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Charon just gives Hypnos an allowance that he immediately gives to Zag who gives it back to Charon

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This dude rocks

main flint
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I do legit want a coin purse like that IRL

mortal dune
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It should be possible to quilt a small coin purse like that

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The boning on the inside shouldn’t be too hard either, just some wire

supple walrus
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the little skull to close it may be hard to make or get

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dumb question maybe: the furies aren't said to be nyx' daughters in the game, are they?

mortal dune
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No, they’re not

supple walrus
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wondering cause it says so in a wiki but i don't recall that

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ah ok thanks

mortal dune
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I think in game it’s stated they’re the Titan’s children too

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Or at least implied with the Titan blood?

supple walrus
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makes sense

mortal dune
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👍

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Yeah Meg doesn’t exactly treat Nyx like a mom but she does defer to her like one

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She goes to her for relationship advice and stuff

main flint
mortal dune
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Ah, well. Can’t be too hard

rough flax
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talked to than and he talked to me abt something else AGAIN

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also, having the butterfly does seem to guarantee you'll see thanatos on that run, or at least raise the odds

lapis echo
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you might also just be too desperate and getting crazy

pseudo stump
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Humans do be crazy about seeing patterns

strong skiff
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The rng wants it too

slow oyster
supple walrus
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they're born from the blood that dropped on gaia when uranus' genitalia was cut off iirc

in other versions they are nyx' kids though

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some time after asking this here i read meg's codex entry where it simply states she doesn't have parents in the game btw

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"I do, however, know what she herself has volunteered to me, as we have on occasion passed the off-work time together in the Master's lounge. She has no parents; her surrogate mother is the goddess Nyx."

open berry
rough flax
rough flax
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just in case

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or are you one of the devs? :0

supple walrus
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i'm having the opposite problem btw. wanna romance than, he shows up on my runs, but dude keeps hanging out with his brother. apparently berating hypnos is more important to him than our relationshipzagcry

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also can i just say my favourite thing about than is when he whines about me stealing his kills

candid cove
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in my last like ten visits to the house of hades i only managed to run into meg on her own once, i know how that feels

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i wanna sleep with the whip lady just let me game

supple walrus
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fwiw i'm having the same issue with meg. hashtag greedy bisexual problems

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anyway, since i've been thinking about this for the past few days:

when you've given meg enough nectar i think, one of the hades quotes when you start a run goes something like: "mortals grow into men quickly. this is the fury megaera, she shall help you accelerate the process". to which zag comments, "we've put each other trough a lot, haven't we, meg."

so, uh... how did you all interpret this line when you first heard it? bc i think i missed it or didn't think of it in my first playthrough and it's changed how i see their relationship completely. like, what the f

mortal dune
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There are implications to the line but I hesitate to push the narrative that far

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I don’t think Hades explicitly set Meg and Zag romantically for the sake of getting Zag to shape up- or, at least, I’d hope that wasn’t the case. If it were, I imagine it’d be a little more obvious, but who knows?

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My personal interpretation, just for my own sanctity of mind, is that Hades instructed Meg to tutor Zag in the same way Achilles had, becoming his mentor in one way or another. Perhaps regarding his administrative role, perhaps combat-wise.

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And then through that, they developed their own romance. Which turned sour, because of how I’d imagine the inherent power imbalance between a mentor and mentee would seep into Meg’s own sense of responsibility.

frozen jolt
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i am pretty sure the quote is random and doesnt have to do with completing the romance

supple walrus
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it showed up for me right after unlocking the last couple hearts. that's why i thought it's connected

supple walrus
zealous berry
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wait are you just softlocked from mom bond if you finish the epilogue before maxing her friendship

main flint
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no

rough flax
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i'm gonna swallow thanatos whole the way cronos swallowed his children if he don't speak to me abt hypnos next time he's in the hub

carmine trout
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that sure ended well for cronos

left vortex
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mods kill this bot

zenith wedge
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Wow it finally made it through dyno
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bleak osprey
hollow mortar
pseudo stump
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Oh, so that's why there were hella ghost messages

distant ridge
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So I clicked the first option in Than and Zag cutscence and did they do the same thing in Meg and Zag cutscence?

main flint
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polyamory is a thing, yep yep

distant ridge
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okay thanks I cannot tell by the sound for Than’s cutscence.

candid cove
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so, i just got the first "proper ending" where persephone returns

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yay

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but i am a bit sad beause i had an insane build that MELTED the champions

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say, had i attacked dad up there after he told me to go, would we have fought anyway or was he impervious

left vortex
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impervious

lapis echo
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just get splitting bolt, static discharge, zeus call, and clocketsshadethumbsup

candid cove
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i'm far from doing hyperoptimised runs

lapis echo
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its not really hyperoptimised

candid cove
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i've never given up on a run just because of "bad" rng

lapis echo
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its just 2 boons and a hammer combo

spare sierra
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So, I just finished the epilogue this morning, and haven’t played anymore past claiming my prophecy reward, gifting ambrosia/talking to everyone in the house, and hearing about the valiant battle the wine casks fought against Dionysus. I’ve got to say that after the in-game hype and ambrosia farming I did to get it, I’m rather disappointed. Does anyone know if it got rushed due to COVID?

lapis echo
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i did also feel like the epilogue and credits are rushed ingame

spare sierra
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Credits were fine imo

lapis echo
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not specifically like sgg rushed it, just that it goes too fast

spare sierra
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It doesn’t show; it tells.

zenith wedge
lapis echo
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i definitely dont think the game overall was rushed, seeing as how sgg adds so much dialogue to their games

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like bastion has one for every single weapon combination besides maybe double melee/ranged, and there are 8 weapons

spare sierra
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After the struggle to clear the first time, I was rewarded with the touching reunion of Persephone and the son she never thought lived past childbirth. After struggling to clear the tengo time, I was rewarded with the touching reunion of Persephone with her estranged husband. So after maxing out affections and sending invites why wasn’t I rewarded with the touching reunion of Persephone and her grieving mother?

zenith wedge
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nah nah, this is just for the epilogue

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for me I never had the feeling because for me the epilogue I just treat it as a wrap up

lapis echo
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the touching reunion is there, its just ||moreso broken into bits afterwards||

zenith wedge
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wasn't expecting a main story type of stuff

main flint
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There is more dialogue unlocked after that, but nothing akin to the other two instances you mention

spare sierra
main flint
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Right, but since the game did not revolve around Persephone, but Zag, I think that moment was kept private

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Your most memorable mentions could be interpreted as Zag meeting his mom, and getting closer to his dad

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and the final one being him meeting the whole family and "coming clear" as to what happened in the past

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I agree that it doesn't feel as significant as the other two, but eh

spare sierra
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The whole story is the retelling of the myth of Persephone. It just happens to be told from the perspective of a character that wasn’t actually in the original.

main flint
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It's much more about Zag's "origin story" rather than Persephone's imo

zenith wedge
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is a family story yup

main flint
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It can be as much about Hades as is about Persephone if you put it like that

zenith wedge
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kid solves entire family issues

main flint
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He's a catalyst to be sure

left vortex
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Local child uses politeness, genuine kindness and appreciation, and shenanigans to resolve history's greatest family drama

zenith wedge
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you forgot the most important part

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not taking a no for an answer

spare sierra
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Well, I’m going to ask Greg to fix it in Hades II with a prologue that actually shows the party. Hey @fair light could you please include a prologue in Hades II that actually shows the party? With dialogue? Thanks. Sorry if this breaks an unwritten rule. I didn’t see anything against this in the read-me-first channel.

zenith wedge
lapis echo
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the general rule for discord servers is to not ping the devsron

winged trellis
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replaying the game after a good year and a half of not touching it, is the way zag really finds out about persephone being his mother through the narrator accidentally spoiling it and zag listening?

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i dont remember how he found out when i played in 2022 but i was caught so off guard by this lmao

lapis echo
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now that is something i have no idea about because i dont listen to the narratorbouldy

winged trellis
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LMAO

main flint
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Yea, I think that's how he finds out about who the letter was from lol

zenith wedge
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also yeah the narrator just goes "signed, persephone" and zag's like "wait what"

lapis echo
supple walrus
static rose
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That, and I doubt it was worth doing all the extra animation for one scene.

rough flax
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i love the line zag has when thanatos appears in the run and he goes "ga-dong" in a sing-song voice

regal pollen
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does anybody know if there’s special dialogue when you use the hades aspect spear AND the his sigil for his boss fight?

grim flume
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Tried it, but just normal sigil dialogue

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They weren't max level though

burnt quest
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Does anyone remember what the note said during the first sleep scene? I know it was important but its been so long I forgot what it said

minor raven
mortal dune
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From the wiki

limber heath
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do i need to do a run after restoring the grand sigil

lapis echo
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yes

left vortex
frozen jolt
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ariadne im pretty sure

pseudo stump
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The running theory is that that's the friendly shade AKA Ariadne

frozen jolt
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i havent seen that theory before

pseudo stump
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Finally I got one over on dor 😤

frozen jolt
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im confused

hearty reef
main flint
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If so, that seems like a stretch

pseudo stump
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I can't recall exactly where I got the idea

left vortex
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cheers against thesus + orange?

supple walrus
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to invite chaos to the party, do i have to reunite them with nyx first?

zenith wedge
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Yeah

supple walrus
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oh no, not sure i'll be able to avoid all the olympians before doing thatshadegrief

limber heath
candid cove
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is it actually random when meg goes to my chambers so i can start giving her ambrosia? i swear its been like 20 runs since i gave her the last nectar i could

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let me sleep with the bat lady dammit game

true harness
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a valid plea

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alas, it's all up to RNG

pseudo stump
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It took me until run #135 zagsad

silver widget
pseudo stump
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So quick!

silver widget
true harness
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oof bouldy

candid cove
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in the meantime im trying to get her without the mirror

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i got alecto twice and i got meg down very low (one more blow and she was done basically) but alas she got me

silver widget
rough flax
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it seems like when the game first triggers hypnos' favor, the game then makes it more likely for you to meet thanatos

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after i got the first dialogue, i kept seeing thanatos in tartarus on consecutive runs

lapis echo
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[insert copium image]

true harness
rough flax
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i wonder if hypnos can teleport?

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his mom and brother both can so

supple walrus
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good question. i think all the cthonic gods we see fight can do the phasing thing, thanatos just happens to be able to go farther with it. there's a than / zag dialog where than says nyx told him he's been able to teleport since birth and thus had been "a handful" as a child. he doesn't mention hypnos being the same.

also, why doesn't hypnos go to the surface for work like thanatos? is he making humans sleepy just by existing?

true harness
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hypnos's job as the god of sleep is pretty out of focus in game, save for being very eepy himself and that one time he just sent the whole house of hades to bed because zag asked

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inb4 Hades 2 is resolved by asking Hypnos to send Kronus to sleep

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"why didn't you do it earlier ???"
"you never asked :)"

cobalt crater
supple walrus
carmine trout
earnest terrace
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Especially Hades, since that would essentially mean Hypnos just sat by and did nothing while Cronos broke free and imprisoned Hades, despite being able to shut that down instantly

true harness
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counterpoint : if you string up hypnos by his thumbs, he might stop keeping kronos asleep

earnest terrace
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They'll find some way to punish him for that

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No way the Greek gods of all people just let that kind of impudence fly

true harness
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they might want to

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doesn't mean they can

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although at that point, it might just not crosses Hypnos' mind to stop a mimiring kronos as contestation

earnest terrace
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I can think of some creative ways

Something like "imprison Hypnos forever right next to the sleeping Kronos, so that if he stops keeping Kronos asleep, he's the first one who gets devoured"

true harness
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"but Hades, couldn't hypnos just have put you to sleep before you chained him to The Great Tormentor Of Agony ?"
"Yes. He didn't think about it."

earnest terrace
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And she'd def tell Hypnos

true harness
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countercounterpoint : nyx would be the very first one to be angry at hypnos

earnest terrace
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My point remains

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Ofc this all assumes Kronos can't just lolnope Hypnos' powers

true harness
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this is all assuming a lot of things that won't be true zaglol

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we're just memeing

earnest terrace
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Ye

left vortex
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God tier storytelling

earnest terrace
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For all we know, grandpapa Uranus could come in with a steel chair and pummel Kronos into the dirt

left vortex
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"bbeg could've been defeated this whole time if the comic relief character remembered to use his i win button"

true harness
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ok you know what you be funny and legit ? If it's a fanfic by hypnos in-game

supple walrus
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i think kronos will turn out to not have been that bad all along. maybe. unless steven universe meme comic dot jpg

true harness
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I doubt he will be one dimensional, I wouldn't be surprised especially if there's something about the Golden Age when he was ruling over humanity, but I also doubt he's gonna be anything else than a real bastard

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atvl I think his abuse of his children will be 100% real and as horrible as it should be portrayed

earnest terrace
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^

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As I mentioned a while back, I sort of want there to be a situation where Zagreus helps and believes in someone in his usual manner, and it all just goes horribly wrong

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The person wasn't redeemable and wasn't worth the help, they were just a bastard as Juncoril said

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Because as much as I did enjoy Hades 1's story, it was a bit grating that these age-old problems among the gods can just be solved by one well-intentioned person

true harness
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ain't like "one well-intentioned person (with their head on their shoulders)" is a common occurence in greek myths though

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but I want kronos to bot be 100% bad but still irredeemably bad

earnest terrace
true harness
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only if you assume not everyone is redeemable

earnest terrace
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greek myth is all essentially about deeply flawed individuals dealing with each other's impulses and reckless actions

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having one person who just goes around 'fixing' things takes a lot of the oomph out of it

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I can handle romanticization of the Hades and Persephone myth, that's done a lot anyway

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But if they try to reconcile the Olympians with Kronos and do a 'big happy family ending'

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I'm gonna be upset

true harness
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While I agree that Zag should have definitely gotten (narrative wise) some negative effects from his actions, I don't see the idea as opposite to greek myths

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Greek myths is about people making errors out of their vices

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It stands to its logic that someone who is good hearted and relatively well adjusted would be able to do a lot

earnest terrace
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Yeah I wouldn't call it 'opposite' either

true harness
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After all, we hear nothing (or not much) of Hades or Hestia, arguably the most well adjusted gods of the pantheon

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greek tragedy is about your vices making the world a worse place. It stands to reason that someone with virtues will help it.

earnest terrace
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Similarly, it's not like there are no people with virtues in greek myth

left vortex
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His flaw without a doubt is eagerness to get involved in situations unrelated to him

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Honestly i thought it was insanely lucky that the orpheus and eurydice plot resolved as well as it did

earnest terrace
left vortex
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He keeps pressing the matter with eurydice despite her saying she wants nothing to do with it

earnest terrace
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Yeah he definitely did get rather pushy with that whole situation didn't he

pseudo stump
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Zagreus is the one dog who leaps up to lick everybody's faces

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Especially those who hate getting their faces licked

left vortex
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I highly suspect they're going a different angle with mel though

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Judging from various dialogues and the trailer she seems more... Hotheaded? Definitely quicker to get genuinely frustrated than zag, who blows things off and forgives quite well outside of two significant instances

supple walrus
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i have a lot of trust in sgg to not do that but

pseudo stump
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Trailer Zagreus and Melinoë: smoulder
In-game Zagreus and Melinoë: absolute dorks

left vortex
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she's not always serious considering she pets the frog

true harness
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hey now

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petting frogs is a very serious matter !

supple walrus
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eeeh idk trailer zagreus already did that pushing his hair back after dying thing in the trailer👀

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i... don't remember melinoe petting the frog? maybe i was so excited about watching the trailer my brain stopped working

left vortex
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1:30 in the trailer

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and there's definitely going to be humor

supple walrus
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just watched it again and am blaming it on being distracted by nemesis

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it happens right after nemesis. i always stop the trailer when nemesis shows up so i must have missed the frog petting afterwardsbouldy

earnest terrace
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I am just hoping for the Zagreus boss fight in Hades 2

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Whatever the context of it might be

whole hawk
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Nyx: It is because I love you.

Me: OMG I LOVE YOU TOO!! 😭

Zag: Nyx... I love you too.

Me: Oh. Him. 🙄

pseudo stump
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Sounds like someone got...de-night 😎

whole hawk
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Yes... 😔

rotund blaze
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how do i get the locked gloves

true harness
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oh

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I wasn't referring you to the channel per se

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but to the pinned post

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click on it, it doesn't embed

rotund blaze
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oh

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got it thanks

rough flax
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hrr why won't discord embed that image

true harness
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oh

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I saw the message getting deleted quick I thought it was a bot zaglol

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What image did you want to share ?

frozen jolt
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It doesn’t even load for me

supple walrus
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things i've been wondering about and can't believe i never figured out: what or who is the skulls on zagreus' shoulder from? do they ever say? is it cerberos' evil twin?🤷‍♂️

also, the yellowish things flowing around his head - is it supposed to be the laurel falling off or burning or... something?

true harness
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I always interpretated it as laurels falling off, yeah

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and the skulls are probably no one in particular 🤷‍♂️

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Funny, zag asks the exact same thing to Hades but I don't think they remark on how he himself has a skull on his shoulder

quasi fox
true harness
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yeah

quasi fox
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haven´t seen that yet

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interesting

true harness
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it's one of the many dialogues this game has zaglol

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takes a whiiile to get them all

quasi fox
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makes sense lol

supple walrus
true harness
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Oh, I thought he had a looot. Maybe not all were named though

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I just remember "typhon and echidna having as many c-list fodder as needed" being a plot point in some things in the past

supple walrus
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oh, yeah, i guess it makes sense that he had more but only some had names

rough flax
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oh my god i just noticed that hypnos has poppies on his belt

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that's so cute

static rose
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You should pay more attention to your husband's dress.

rough flax
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anw i didn't know this conversation existed!

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also
zagreus saying "[i'm] mean to hypnos a lot"

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and it's like
when

true harness
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it's zag. Not being a cinnamon roll 24/24 is already being mean to him

supple walrus
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he's pretty sarcastic with hypnos. i mean, hypnos probably doesn't get it, but he is mean to him.

rough flax
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can't exactly pinpoint which but i do briefly remember him sounding more annoyed in some interactions

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i think the pact of punishment one?

frozen jolt
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he sounds snarky to me and very deadpan sarcastic sometimes

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but i havent played main story in forever, i could be wrong

rough flax
frozen jolt
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to hypnos

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its been a talking point here a lot how zag is relatively mean to hypnos unlike every other character

rough flax
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he's full on super nice in that one interaction where he gives hypnos nectar and said he's died on purpose every time just to see him

frozen jolt
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thats the exact line i was thinking about thats funny

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it sounded like sarcasm to me

rough flax
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lmao, it sounds like him saying something nice to lift hypnos' mood to me

earnest terrace
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honestly i feel like zagreus is still the least mean to hypnos compares to thanatos (who repeatedly lectures him to do better), nyx (who actively distances herself from him in an attempt to get him to grow up), and hades (who just sort of overlooks hypnos at this point)

rough flax
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nyx distancing herself from hypnos is not mean and that is a hill i will die on

earnest terrace
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well yeah maybe mean is the wrong word for it

rough flax
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yeye i get what you mean

earnest terrace
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she's obviously trying to help him in a more stern way

true harness
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I doubt she's fond of him though

supple walrus
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like dor said, it's noticeable because zag is super nice to everyone. especially to people who are mean to him (thanatos, megaera) but then he's sorta mean in a zag way to hypnos, who may be annoying and hurtful sometimes but unintentionally so

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in zagreus' defence, we provably can imagine most of his interactions eith hypnos being right after he dies so maybe that's why he's not as nice as usual

pseudo stump
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Trying to match Hypnos's smarmy energy but failing to do so because he's not smarmy enough zagpls

earnest terrace
rough flax
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doubt that she's fond of him, i mean

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this is the part where you ask me who asked

rough flax
supple walrus
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but that's still kinda mean? (speaking as a youngest sibling👀)

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also hypnos seems to need things spelled out for him. he actually does better after thanatos gives him constructive criticism and tips (though than could be nicer about it)

rough flax
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i think playing along with your younger siblings is endearing, they love when you do it, so

strong skiff
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How come I never noticed that Hypnos had a wife?

lapis echo
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because they dont exist

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and neither do you

strong skiff
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I do

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I’m pretty sure

true harness
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source?

atomic forge
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Ouch oooo

strong skiff
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Pretty reliable in this case

quasi fox
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Can't deny facts

quasi fox
mortal dune
mortal dune
supple walrus
safe cairn
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well, in Hypnos's case...

supple walrus
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zageyes he's not stupid though. just... oblivious to a lot of things

atomic forge
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Yeah

candid cove
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finally got the meg cutscene yay

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right after beating her without mirror too

true harness
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you impressed her shadeohboy

static rose
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Than's jealous. He'll be along shortly.

pseudo stump
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Ugh no. Parchment work with Thanatos sounds terrible

open berry
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missed most of the hypnos conversation but i want to point out that not once does hypnos ever refer to zag by his name. it was something i realized a couple years back when i was trying to pinpoint why their interactions felt off to me. everyone has some sort of nickname for zag, or they use his name, but hypnos never does

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also this lol

frozen jolt
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i almost wanted to ping u

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hypnos opinion haver #1 in this server

open berry
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i dont rly think about hades a whole lot anymore, which is a natural point of "i spent a lot of time with this thing and had my fill of thoughts and feelings and have since moved on" but i still have rly strong feelings about the way hypnos is treated

true harness
supple walrus
rough flax
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if there's no hypnos at all in hades 2 i'm gonna set my house on fire

quasi fox
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Understandable

mortal dune
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If there’s no Hypnos I will make Hypnos

atomic forge
earnest terrace
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zagreus telling hypnos' wife to calm down about no hypnos

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this is real worldbuilding right here

rough flax
earnest terrace
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ironic

atomic forge
earnest terrace
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uwu

atomic forge
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🙄

supple walrus
rough flax
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in my head hypnos has a sheep chthonic companion but he just doesn't give it to zagreus cuz his mom made it and it's his

pseudo stump
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He probably is the only other person dorky enough amongst the whole house to care about Chthonic Companions to that extent

twin jolt
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Does anyone wonder if they'll bring Despoina into the lore with H2?

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Younger sister of Kore with like a gothic veil motif, only ever referred to as "the Mistress"

warm crescent
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I’m gonna ask, where is Hera, Perseus or Hercules..? Like Hercules is Zeus’s son, Hera is his wife, and Perseus is the hero of Perseid Dynasty, also slayer of Medusa.

So where would these characters come in, you may ask? Well, hopefully they’ll come in Supergiant’s next project and first sequel: Hades II. That would be cool to explore that furthermore, because I adore Greek Mythology. Still though, what’s being explored and written is phenomenal in Hades.

true harness
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Hera on Olympus, Perseus in Elysium, Hercules in one of those two

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None appear in the game though

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Although Hera and Hercules are mentioned a few times

warm crescent
# true harness Although Hera and Hercules are mentioned a few times
  1. Yeah, he’s somewhere in those locations of the world.
  2. Yes, none of those specific figures/characters don’t appear in physical form in Hades. Absolutely would love to see them portrayed more in the developer’s eyes.
  3. I would love to eventually encounter that dialogue. Would be super cool, and my family are Greek/Roman mythology geeks so don’t worry, lol.
true harness
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Hades 2 spoilers maybe ? For folks who didn't watch the trailer ||Given that we know Apollo is in Hades 2, and it's written somewhere that we'll get boons from 13+ olympians, it's likely Hera will be in Hades 2 as a boon giver.||

warm crescent
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That would be so cool tbh, lol.

warm crescent
# true harness Hades 2 spoilers maybe ? For folks who didn't watch the trailer ||Given that we ...

I watched the trailer when it originally was publicly announced, and I already love what they’re doing with it. Hades was such a godsend video game that it has already EARNED a sequel (in the works) and most importantly, SEVERAL accolades from the world. Too many praises, recommendations and awards to even COUNT.

Hades pretty much pushed Rogue-Like to its absolute limits in every possible way. Absolutely brilliant, no questions asked. Will say it’s not for everyone though, but a lot of games are like that. And that’s honestly okay. What is there not to love, a mean they made God Mode for casual players and those who want all the details and story, which every time you die: you get steadily stronger and faster.

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Now obviously, I’m not involved with any speed-running or META related side of the community and game, at least not anytime soon, lol. I’m just someone who just wants to enjoy a game without much struggle to embark on a beautifully compelling storyline. I mean the storytelling is THAT GOOD, and I mean that in every way possible. But even when the casual difficulty is on, I still am reminded why I am literally ADDICTED to this game. Although, no surprise, because this is Supergiant Games after all, and I also found out that the people who worked on C&C, made the best decision to forge their own game studio. What legends, shoutouts to the founders.

supple walrus
warm crescent
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Also yes, I played Bastion, and that game was also awesome too, even today. Just play the Xbox One edition though.

supple walrus
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although if course i'd like to see everyone, it's kind of hard to include every relevant or interesting character considering the vast pantheon and number of heroes...

frozen jolt
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Well, Theseus was their initial idea for a protagonist

warm crescent
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Fair… Theseus is a arrogant and pompous ass to Zagreus, and imo, that pretty much suits him. Tbh though, I’m so glad they made Zagreus the protagonist, because he’s a great one for sure! Minos to Hades, wow, what a change of direction. I mean Theseus gave them more dynamic direction the character could of gone in. The fact that Zag relates to the player in a way about failing or other situations is something not said much, but is really important and special to the narrative.

supple walrus
supple walrus
warm crescent
supple walrus
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i'll have time to watch that when i play less👀

zenith wedge
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All the noclips vids for supergiant are fun

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That said I think I never went around to finish the hades ones lmao

warm crescent
warm crescent
warm crescent
# supple walrus yeah, and i think they chose a not as well known character in the first place. m...

Spoilers For Overall Plot, Read At Your Own Risk!
Zag is actually one of my all-time favorite protagonists. I mean he actually relates and shows empathy for others: friends or distant relatives. And he also has a strong connection between the player, he never really speaks to you or anything but he sure does reflect and understands it.

||I mean he goes from sharing about the pain, comments on the ruthless nature of the Underworld, and interacts with people in different ways, not even sure about saying goodbye yet… and that is something that not much games do. The fact that they made Hades, God of the Dead, more of a lovable character later on, not to mention what they did with Zag’s birth mother, Persephone and finding out WHY and HOW she left and more importantly, WHAT made her leave…||

So in my eyes, this game does everything for me. It really has a special place in my heart.

warm crescent
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Guys, I have a few questions with the Hades II reveal trailer.

Here are some questions and explanations that pondered my mind. Obviously they’re not accurate, but you probably knew that already by now.

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1st Topic: Characters

warm crescent
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Q1: Is Zag be making a appearance/comeback?
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p1: Zag is the biological brother of Melinoe and is the biological sister of Zagreus. It would make sense for him to make some sort of appearance or interaction between the two. If not, a reference to him at least would be cool.

Q2: Will other familiar faces have a role in this sequel?
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p2: I don’t how they would be involved, so I’m guessing they’ll only be referenced from others. Obviously, I’d imagine the Olympians would still be present, and some other characters like Charon and maybe… others not known as much. Either than that, not much else.

Q3: Are gifts and most importantly, the affinity system making a return?
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p3: No clue, but systems like that could be used in the sequel, but we don’t know, so I don’t know either.

pseudo stump
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n/a to all three

warm crescent
# pseudo stump n/a to all three

I’m making small predictions, so yeah, obviously there won’t be answers until official PSA happens. And until then, I thought it would be fun to make up theories about it.

true harness
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fwiw the consensual opinion is "yes yes yes"

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well

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what do you call "familiar face"

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I doubt sisyphus will be here

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but olympians 99% will

warm crescent
true harness
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dude's the river boatman

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that's a pretty important role in hell

warm crescent
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Also possibly Hestia as well.

true harness
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wdym

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one of what ?

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olympians ?

pseudo stump
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River boatman 😛

warm crescent
warm crescent
true harness
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yeah she's an olympian, pretty important one at that

pseudo stump
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mmhm. For my sake, may I ask if English is a secondary language for you, Krimonoff?

warm crescent
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No, German is a second but I’m still learning it, but thanks for asking. My native/first language is English.

neon acorn
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you seem cool

supple walrus
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in the hades 2 channel someone said it'd be funny if zag was the narrator and this reminded me:

it's interesting from a story telling perspective how in hades 1, zag keeps fighting / bantering with the narrator, and also takes on the role of a narrator during runs himself

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eg, on a fresh file, zag basically explains most of the game mechanics to the player

rough flax
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i like to think hypnos willingly asked for his job to make nyx and/or thanatos proud
cuz like, nyx doesn't really seem to care about him falling asleep on the job, so i doubt she insisted, and hades and nyx are equals, so if she didn't want her son to work (or if he himself didn't), i don't think hades could make him

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and also because hypnos is so much more powerful than hades

mortal dune
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I don’t this is quite it, because Hypnos doesn’t seem to mind if he loses his job (when Thanatos threatens him with it he takes it not poorly). It’s more likely Nyx gave him this job to teach him responsibility

supple walrus
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i don't think it's that he doesn't like his job... he's just really excited for someone else getting to experience that opportunity

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assuming you refer to than telling him someone else will have his job and hypnos says "they will have the greatest job in the world!"

mortal dune
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I think it’s more that one moment where he goes ‘I know’ to another of Than’s remarks

rough flax
rough flax
zealous fox
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what's the lock on the second heart mean on hades' codex sheet?

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i already brought persephone home

zenith wedge
supple walrus
rough flax
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what if hades 2 is a prequel?

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melinoe isn't persephone's daughter, she's either hades' alone or hades with someone else

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cuz nemesis wielded the sword zagreus has, and in hades 2 she seems to have it again?

supple walrus
# rough flax i mean he did improve after that, so that shows he did care "ever since thanatos...

yesss

also i thought about that older hypnos conversation and i'm not sure i still agree 100% because they said it's weird that hypnos issues get resolved by someone suggesting him to just make a list... and i think that's not it. his issue is resolved when someone directly tells him there is an issue and that he needs to improve. i think that's the point of his story line (still not happy w/ how zag treats him though)

rough flax
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as a neurodivergent person, that moment was literally me

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when someone told me i could make my life easier by using a simple thing i used my whole life but in a slightly different context i was like "woooow"

supple walrus
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i also don't think thanatos hates hypnos or something, thanatos is just the kind of guy to react with aggression to insecurity (he does it to zag all the time) and he's actually just worried about hypnos

rough flax
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wym hates hypnos? it's literally regular siblings behavior. my sister treats me like that 24/7

true harness
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your sister hates you /s

supple walrus
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heh, mine never have been like that with me but yeah that is normal sibling behavior. just been thinking about this because people have been saying "thanatos hates hypnos" "nyx hates hypnos" (pretty sure she doesn't either)

rough flax
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nyx literally didn't even treat him badly that's a hill i'll die on

supple walrus
main flint
rough flax
rough flax
supple walrus
main flint
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Well, #hades2-faq says that "Hades II is a direct sequel"

supple walrus
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what if it's a sequel and a prequel (with time travel!)

rough flax
rough flax
true harness
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what if it's a samequel, happening at the exact same time as Hades 1, and Hades 1 was all in zag's mind while he was in a coma ????? 🤯 🤯 🤯

main flint
static lion
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all hades 2 is hades but not all hades is hades 2

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think abt it squirtyay

supple walrus
supple walrus
zealous fox
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can i still not give nectar to dades even after bringing back persephone

zenith wedge
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Due to how the dialogue system works it can take a while

zealous fox
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is it also like that for triggering hidden aspects?

zenith wedge
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Yeah

mortal dune
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The reason I will stick by Nyx treating Hypnos poorly is that part of her ‘weaning him off’ stems from her giving up on him

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Upon understanding that her parenting techniques didn’t work for her son, she did not try to explore more avenues to help him in a more effective way before going cold turkey on interacting with him. He feels abandoned, says as much, and she never really reneges on this even when Thanatos does

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As a neurodivergent person it’s really sad and uncomfortable seeing someone like Hypnos and his disability be treated so flippantly, especially when he’s shown to be trying his best and actively improving once someone starts helping him in a way that he’s receptive to.

true harness
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Agree, I think there's also a line where Hypnos relates to zagreus because of mommy issues

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Something like "wow, your mother too doesn't talk with you ??"

mortal dune
ivory osprey
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for one of the prophecies, the sea god's spite, does it matter if its em 3 or em 4 theseus to be defeated?

zenith wedge
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nah

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em4 means it also changes dad, not that theseus will get more moves

ivory osprey
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ahh cool, thanks :]]

rough flax
mortal dune
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Calling her children (or the fact they don’t talk to her) personal ‘defeats’ is quite callous and I consider it almost cruel

rough flax
# mortal dune Upon understanding that her parenting techniques didn’t work for her son, she di...

i mean, she hasn't given up for him. she's just giving him space to grow. first of all, this is out of the norm. because zagreus notices her not interacting with hypnos, and this is strange enough for him that he asks what's wrong. even though at that point, thanatos hasn't interacted with her once (or maybe interacted with her only once depending on how the rng works for you??). so usually she talks to hypnos more often that to thanatos
also, this is something nyx talked over with hypnos and they mutually agreed to the terms. hypnos probably wasn't very happy abt these terms but still. cuz she says "we have agreed he shall not call upon me for the time being"
and when he can't keep do it anymore and talks to her anyway, she doesn't scold him. just gently reminds him to keep trying

mortal dune
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I have a couple points to make about that but I appreciate your thoughts!

rough flax
rough flax
mortal dune
# rough flax i mean, she hasn't given up for him. she's just giving him space to grow. first ...

To address a few of these points, Zagreus not noticing their tenuous relationship is not necessarily due to it being a new development- Zagreus is established by the narrative to not be totally aware of the goings-on within the House of Hades. He was rather self-centered at the beginning of the journey and a large part of his arc is about connecting with other people on a deeper level. Considering he and Hypnos are not especially close at the beginning of the game, it’s safe to assume he just didn’t know or care to know about Hypnos and Nyx’s relationship.

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Secondly, the point about her talking to Hypnos more than Thanatos is confusing to me- they’re never seen interacting on screen iirc, while Thanatos and Nyx absolutely are.

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Thirdly, Nyx saying that she and Hypnos came to the decision together is not necessarily what actually happened- she’s an unreliable narrator who has biases about their situation. I view it more as her telling Hypnos what she’s going to do, doing it regardless of his input, and him being essentially forced to accept it by circumstance. This is supported by both Hypnos being unhappy with the arrangement (his comment about her not talking to him was not one made out of contentment with the situation) as well Zag’s own acknowledgment that she should treat him better (“be proud of your sleepy, cheerful son!).

It’s not out of the norm for a parent, especially a strict mother, to do this.

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Fourthly, while I don’t remember the scene with her talking to Hypnos (can you link it?), her telling him to keep trying does not necessarily mean she isn’t scolding him. Nyx is hardly ever loud or pointed with her dialogue, so when she demands something of her workers and children it is often with subtle passive-aggression, such as with Zag when he pushes her too far, and with Dusa.

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All in all, the subtext of the game’s take on their relationship is more sympathetic to Hypnos than Nyx. Zag as our lens into their story makes note that Hypnos doesn’t deserve what he’s got or how he’s treated by the people around him, and so it’s safe to assume that’s what the game is trying to tell us as well.

mortal dune
mortal dune
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This is not a kind way to speak about your son, especially when he hasn’t done anything especially wrong.

main flint
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This has to do with Hypnos' personality and Nyx's view of it. Compared to Charon and Than, he's weirdly cheerful in the gloomy place that they are. He stands out to her and everyone when it comes to this.

Considering Nyx's position on the gods intermingling with people of "lower" status, like her reaction to Zag mingling with Dusa, it's entirely possible that she had placed Hypnos in that role as a means to force him to see things her way. The fact that she thinks that Zag may find him annoying is indicative that she thinks his disposition is entirely unacceptable for who he is. I don't think she's cruel, not intentionally at least. She does have a very set in stone way of parenting and if the child doesn't see it, she's gonna make them see it, one way or another. Like most parents, she's doing what she thinks is best for him, not wanting to accept that it's okay to be different.

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I think it's a good comparison in the differences in thinking between generations and how the latter has a hard time coming to terms that the former is okay.

mortal dune
# main flint This has to do with Hypnos' personality and Nyx's view of it. Compared to Charon...

I would agree that she’s not being cruel on purpose, but imo that doesn’t quite mean she’s not being cruel entirely.

You’re totally right that she’s not used to his cheerful disposition! With Zag I think she anticipates some of it due to her relationship with Persephone, but even Zag is a little more subdued and even melancholic compared to Hypnos, which adds to that lack of connection for sure

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The comparisons between Hypnos and Zag kinda highlight the extent to which people mistreat Hypnos actually

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Like, Zag is also a bit of a slacker, also too cheerful for the House of Hades, people acknowledge this and support him in his journey for the most part

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They don’t mind these aspects too much when it’s Zagreus personifying them

rough flax
# mortal dune Secondly, the point about her talking to Hypnos more than Thanatos is confusing ...

there's one scene where she interacts with hypnos (give me a sec and i'll link it) which is the scene i mentioned. the one where she gently reminds him to keep working on his independence
and i think there's two were she talks to thanatos. the point isn't that she talks to hypnos more than thanatos. the point is that she doesn't really talk to thanatos much more than she talks to hypnos, but zagreus notices that she doesn't talk to hypnos
if it was simply that zagreus just noticed that she's not talking to hypnos even though she's usually distant with him, too, then he'd ask the same about thanatos

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one of the scene i believe where thanatos and nyx talk is they talk abt persephone which is late game, so after zagreus asks nyx why she doesn't talk to hypnos

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gimme a sec to get to my computer to send that over cuz it's not anywhere online for some reason

mortal dune
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(Thanks so much for linking it!!) Hmmm, but it’s also good to consider exactly what it is that they’re saying to each other. Nyx talks to Thanatos about his job and about Persephone, and just from what you’ve said she talks to Hypnos about how she’s not all too proud of him, and that she wants him to continue to stay by himself

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Also I think she and Than have at least one more conversation outside of that?? I wouldn’t be able to link it in the transcript but I remember something vaguely through navigating old Hades clips

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At least one more conversation outside of their first clip and outside of the one about Persephone

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Nyx talks about Than in a much more positive light than she does Hypnos as well, there are about two more scenes where she talks to Zagreus about Than, both positive. To what extent does it matter that she talks to Hypnos if most of it is chastisement?

main flint
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I think all this boils down to Hypnos being a mama's boy, and Nyx not being that kind of mama, probably on account of having raised so many kids.

rough flax
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sorry for the long intro and the desktop etc, i've been procrastinating editing the hypnos clips i recorded

main flint
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Gosh I love him

rough flax
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RIGHT

mortal dune
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Hypnos just wants a different kind of love than Nyx can provide for sure

rough flax
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idk man i think she was (and is) nurturing he's just a grown man

main flint
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Yea, I think he may be her first child that was actually.. a child and not wanting independence from day 1

mortal dune
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Grown men can still want and deserve affection and connection though

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It’s not like he’s not doing what she wants! He is trying to be independent, and he’s been doing a pretty good job at it, especially by the end of the game

main flint
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I think he's doing that because he was told to though

mortal dune
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Yeah maybe, but it doesn’t detract from his efforts I feel

main flint
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I mean, literally anyone could keep track of who's coming in and out of the house

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So I think it's a first job kind of thing where he was placed to learn responsibility and independence

mortal dune
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Mhm

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Kinda like Zag’s admin job

main flint
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yep

mortal dune
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And Zag quit where Hypnos didn’t, which shows their different perspectives on making their parents proud

main flint
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Absolutely, I think he just wants to be a good son and please his mother's request/expectations.
His advice giving may be a way to emulate Nyx too lol

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Such heavy speculation, but it's been fun reading/participating!

mortal dune
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I love Hypnos so much, one day I really want to make a romance route for him

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He’s such a good foil to Zag it’s insane how little he was utilized

rough flax
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i wanna smooch hypnos

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also which channel's good for sharing your fanart for the game? :0

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ah fan works i see it now thanks!

pseudo stump
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I feel like most of Nyx's sternness toward Hypnos is due to his overdependence on Nyx and his incredible lack of awareness and his incompetence. Not so much cruelty on Nyx's part

rough flax
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entering absolute headcanon territory but i like to think she's protective of him
she's distant now to give him space to grow, where he's safe and sound in the house, but if he got hurt she's jump so quickly to protect him

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and hey, it's true to the myths

pseudo stump
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Nyx going mama bear sounds absolutely terrifying

rough flax
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zeus agrees apparently lol, according to the myths at least

mortal dune
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And overdependence- this guy needs help! He needs support! These things happen and we shouldn’t shame people for that!!

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Nyx is functionally punishing him for something ultimately out of his control, and deriding him for it when her methods don’t work

open berry
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hypnos is absolutely not incompetant and i doubt that was supergiant's intent in his characterization thonk

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being bad at reading social cues and needing more stimulation in order to get things done does not inherently equate to incompetance

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a lot of neurodivergent people relate to the issues hypnos has in dealing with things and thats why its not really taken well when his behaviour is written off as lazy and incompetent on his part

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but as i touched on previously its also why i dont really find the way the narrative handled dealing with said issues satisfying, personally rofl

mortal dune
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Me too

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It’s one of the biggest issues I have

open berry
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trying to balance "i acknowledge these godly beings do not always parse and handle thoughts and feelings in the ways mortals do" and "however these are very mortal things to handle and the writing oddly fell flat here where it was so strong in other areas" 😔 🙏

mortal dune
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Honestly to me it felt more doylist than that, I felt like Supergiant’s own implicit biases/ableism shinging through

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Because nobody is ever really called out for their treatment of Hypnos- Than is the only one but it’s only cuz he’s so outspoken and rude about it

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Like Nyx has that one scene, but Zag and Meg both infantilize and mock him and get no mention

open berry
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i dont feel that as much, as supergiant as been big on inclusiveness even since back in the bastion days, but its definitely something that is terribly normalized and should have had some further reads on it during production. i pointed it out during early access but i dont think many others did so 🤷 the team tends to be receptive to such feedback so hopefully future ventures dont pull another hypnos

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i still felt like zag's overall treatment of hypnos was out of character compared to how he treats anyone else, even theseus lol

mortal dune
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Yeah supergiant is one of the most active studios when it comes to inclusiveness- like the healthy polyamorous relationship in Hades was so refreshing, but they do still fall into some difficult-to-reconcile with thought processes

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In Transistor they kinda fumble things badly with Sybil’s queerness and Red’s passive suicidal ideation 😅

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And then we have Zag stepping over Eurydice’s boundaries and all this with Hypnos

open berry
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such a good game but also so hard to recommend honestly

mortal dune
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Mhm

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Honestly, if Hypnos was somehow in Hades 2 and they treated him better I would probably forgive it?? Like, all his story needs is some closure

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But he shouldn’t have had to ‘become a better worker’ in order to deserve empathy from his family and friends, that’s a horrid mentality

patent acorn
mortal dune
# patent acorn Which boundaries?

He keeps asking her about Orpheus when she’s made it evidently clear she doesn’t like it, to the point she kicks him out over it. Sure, she tells him later that she was okay with it, but we need to consider this plot beat from the lens of the author. Supergiant wrote this in, and validated if after the fact- what does that say about their POV on the subject matter?

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There’s also another point about how Zag only wanting to talk about Orpheus with Eurydice is sort-of reducing her to her relationship with a man, but that’s a far less weighty conversation to be had

supple walrus
mortal dune
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That’s fair- Zag has to be so pushy because otherwise nothing would change, stasis is a huge part of the story for sure

zenith wedge
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Than also calls zag out on the whole eurydice thing no (granted, after they are already back but still)

supple walrus
mortal dune
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Sybil is uniquely penalized for the Boxer’s death- even where Asher and Grant are not- specifically because of her attraction to a woman

true harness
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we can be pretty sure that Artemis is either lesbian or acearo (or any combination thereof)

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Arguably Athena too might be acearo, but it's less... explored, I guess ?

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And in Hades 2 we're likely to have Hestia as another possible acearo rep (if she's not just virgin out of vows instead of, like, her own orientation making it her desire)

mortal dune
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It’s not canonically stated so I wouldn’t consider it explicit rep quite yet, but those are good points

supple walrus
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right, i forgot artemis arrow ace

mortal dune
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The issue I have with Artemis is the vagueness of it

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Like ace lesbians exist, but the things she says it’s hard to pin her down as anything

true harness
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yeah, I hope it's gonna be more explored in Hades 2

supple walrus
mortal dune
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Hmmm

supple walrus
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not saying it can't or shouldn't be done

mortal dune
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I get your points, asexuality is about the absence of something, but I’ve definitely seen it done before so I know its possible

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Just say, ‘you and that fury Megaera, huh? I’m not one for all that myself, but my hunting partner Calisto and I go out all the time’ or something stupid like that

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If they even wanted to, which they don’t necessarily have to?

true harness
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I mean, within the patriarcal and heavily dynasty oriented culture of the greek gods, an asexual goddess would definitely feel some of the same struggles as IRL ace women

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especially a younger one like Artemis. I could imagine people leaving Hestia alone

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but tbh Hestia seems, like, very interesting. And badass. She went to town on titans with a sniper, and she arguably has one of the most important domain of the pantheon. Everyone likes a home.

mortal dune
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Hestia and Hera should have beef

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Hestia goddess of the home, Hera the goddess of marriage

true harness
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if anything they should get along well then

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not to mention, I feel like Hestia is just nice. Like, impossible to hate.

mortal dune
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If there's one thing about the Greek pantheon it's that they have beef- it's what they do, they're family

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Hera is a bit petty so Hestia could still be nice and Hera could be spiteful against ehr

rough flax
mortal dune
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And what if he can't figure it out on his own?

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Is she going to ignore him for the rest of their immortal lives?

rough flax
mortal dune
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The next era

true harness
mortal dune
true harness
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aren't we all ? zaglol

mortal dune
true harness
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yeah ngl I feel like you're on big copium wrt hypnos

pseudo stump
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I read all the above, and I dunno. Lots of adjectives, but honestly it just seems like SGG wrote Hypnos as overly carefree or maybe even flippant

supple walrus
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i think the main problem is that they wrote him as comic relief character primarily so all other issues pertaining to his character aren't given the same kind of treatment others are

zealous fox
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is the ability to give ambrosia locked behind dialogue?

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already cant give nectar/heart progress is at the lock icon

zenith wedge
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They are in theme for the character, some are in prophecies for the most part

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Lots of them can be summarized into "keep talking"

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If you want more specifics, the wiki has all the favors

zealous fox
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Which wiki btw

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fandom?

zenith wedge
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Are there more hades wikis now?

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I'd be glad to tell people any other than fandom lmao

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But for now yeah ik for sure fandom has them

open berry
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well the main wiki was the gamepedia one. and then fandom acquired them and merged gamepedia and fandom wikis together and ive hated them for it since

so yeah fandom. unfortunately.

warm crescent
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Why is there no separate Hades wiki page, that’s not Fandom?

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So when I was playing last night, my family noticed and suspected that Zag’s father is actually NOT his dad. I also cleared my other heat run that same night. This was because of a certain interaction with Hades and Nyx. Are they right?

main flint
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In the mythos, Zeus is sometimes the father, but in-game there's no indication for anyone else being the father besides Hades. This is also supported by there being some similar physical characteristics between Zag and Hades, the glowing feet being one of them, but also them having death defies and similar casts.

mortal dune
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They also both have summons and similar attacks

warm crescent
mortal dune
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There’s a lot both physically and psychologically that is similar about them for sure

main flint
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Yea, they're both hot-heads ron

warm crescent
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Still not sure why Hades couldn’t have a child tho? I’m assuming it was The Three Fates that decided that.

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Like an heir.

mortal dune
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Yes it was the Fates who said so

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I think part of it is that in becoming lord of the underworld he was functionally dead?

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Like how Zag can’t leave

warm crescent
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It would also explain why Zagreus is taken by the River Styx every time he visits Persephone, when he gets weaker on the surface of Greece.

mortal dune
main flint
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Why that would be a thing, idk if it's said in game, but it made for a nice plot device

warm crescent
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Probably, and we all know that he ALMOST ALWAYS has stupid things to complain about to his son, lol…

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I meant that by the screens with specific words, like DOG, DIVIDE, PLACE, TIME.

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What does any of that mean to the overall arching story?

open berry
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just flavour text iirc

main flint
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I think those are moments Zag remembers before embarking on an expedition as motivation

warm crescent
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That’s very possible.

main flint
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idk if they are explained, but it's how I saw them

open berry
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also that requires editors to make it and im tapped out lol

warm crescent
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True…

open berry
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by the time fandom merged the gamepedia domains into fandom hades had already exploded in popularity and made the wiki more active i think

main flint
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I'm a bit naive when it comes to these, but what is wrong with Fandom?

open berry
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if it had happened during early access we might have stood a chance at splitting off to a new wiki but it prob wouldnt have happened tbh

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fandom is garbage, slow, riddled to the core with intrusive advertising

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i moved to gamepedia specifically to get away from fandom so you can imagine how happy i was about them acquiring gamepedia yeet

main flint
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I guess I don't spend enough time on wikis to notice this stuff because if I use them I only ever need like one piece of info and then I'm out

open berry
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if you have adblock on you prob wont notice either

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try using their mobile versions

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worst interface ive ever seen god bless 🙏

main flint
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I will take your word for it hehe, good to know! Thank you!

warm crescent
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I’ve had experience with Fandom and it’s app, and the wiki for Hades HAS TO RELOAD for crying out loud… it’s super annoying and frustrating tbh…

open berry
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when hades 2 drops in ea the wiki will probably get another surge in activity so even if we tried to migrate to a new wiki now the fandom one would still be the more popular/used one

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with how community-driven wiki contributions are, we frankly do not have the community to manage it rn lol

open berry
main flint
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Is that something managed by the disc mods?

open berry
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no

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wikis are community driven

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they belong to everyone

rough flax
open berry
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AD has admin on it rn bc the old one went inactive and we both edit periodically but the spirit of wiki is that everyone contributes

rough flax
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as for thanatos' scolding she probably wants hypnos to handle his relationship with his brother himself
or we aren't even sure that she knows about it

warm crescent
open berry
mortal dune
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And besides, there’s no real other way to conceptualize Nyx asking if Zag finds Hypnos ‘tolerable’.

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That in and of itself speaks thousands with regards to how Nyx views Hypnos

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And besides! Zag is the one doing the talking! He’s the one specifically going out of his way to chat with Hypnos! Why would she chastise Hypnos for it if she didn’t find him totally at fault for other people’s perception of him?

main flint
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This sort of delves into game mechanics so I wouldn't use it as an argument heh

mortal dune
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Hypnos tells Zag that he appreciates that Zag is one of the few people to actually choose to talk to him, so it’s safe to assume that is the case

main flint
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I disagree because some people would really dislike being forced into conversations

rough flax
mortal dune
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Could you elaborate on that point?

rough flax
main flint
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As a player, I would not like to have to go through dialogue every time if I didn't feel like it

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Hence, all convo starts lie with the player

main flint
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him being the greeter and all

mortal dune
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I mean the player can also choose not to engage with the characters if they don’t want to so that is also part of their choice, but I think I see what you mean

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But regardless, Zag is still the one choosing to actively engage in conversation with Hypnos- that is undeniable

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Otherwise they would not have any interaction at all

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So part of the responsibility for engaging in their relationship lies on Zag’s shoulders as well, and as such Nyx choosing to solely place that responsibility onto Hypnos for it comes across as kinda strange

main flint
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I mean, you can choose to see it how you see it

mortal dune
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Even when Zag tells Nyx he doesn’t mind she still leaves her scolding Hypnos on the table

rough flax
mortal dune
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Oh, it’s just the fact that she doesn’t retract her statements

main flint
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Nyx is not the kind of person who retracts anything imo

mortal dune
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She’s highly sensitive to the way other people perceive Hypnos, invites Zag to tell her about his grievances with Hypnos, but there’s never much sensitivity in the other direction, where she either rolls back her statements on Hypnos’ tolerability or invites people to treat him with more kindness

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Yes, and that’s a character flaw worth analyzing

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The only person actively advocating for Hypnos in that way is Zagreus

main flint
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I have to say that I'm a bit lost at the point you're trying to make lol

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Is it that Nyx is not a good parent model and that her grievences with Hypnos are unfounded?

supple walrus
main flint
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Cause if that's the case, welcome to Greek myth ✨

mortal dune
supple walrus
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yeah, that too

mortal dune
main flint
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See but we don't know that

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Because we jump into a story that has been going on, we don't know where it started and how long it has been going on

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So a lot of it is supposition based on minimal observation

mortal dune
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But that’s the nature of storytelling, especially for an in-media-res story like this, extrapolating from what we see

main flint
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Referring to the Hypnos/Nyx subplot

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Yea but I feel that's just because of them not being the subject matter

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I agree that their relationship could have been worked on more, but there's only so much you can do and approach

mortal dune
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In that case, I still feel it’s a story worth analyzing- it being a side story doesn’t detract from the layer of depth one can observe it from

main flint
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Well that in itself could be taken as an indication of where the writing was going. Maybe it's as simple as Nyx not wanting to be a major participant in Hypnos's life at that point and that's it. Maybe that's why it wasn't explored too much.

supple walrus
# mortal dune She’s highly sensitive to the way other people perceive Hypnos, invites Zag to t...

as hypnos' parent, she probably feels responsible for his behavior. she apologizes for him because she feels any possible fault of his is hers. she's implied to have been closer with him than with her other children some time before the game, so that could explain why she seems that way more with hypnos than the others. letting a child grow up, accepting them as their own person rather than an extension of yourself can be as hard for a parent as taking on responsibilities is for a child

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tl;dr you could read nyx' behaviour about hypnos as an indication that not only is he clinging to his mom, she's clinging to her role as hypnos' mom

mortal dune
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That’s an interesting read in on it for sure

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Yeah my perception of their relationship is coloured heavily by her relationships with her other children- both Zag and Than and the excommunicated ones like Eris and Nemesis

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For Zag and Than she has no issue being sweet on them, and with Eris and Nemesis she’s evidently given up on being their mother

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So taking that into account, it does say a lot about her relationship with Hypnos that she treats him the way she does for the reasons that she does

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If her being detached from him (in a way completely separate from her more favoured children like Zag and Than) is because of issues stemming from his disability that says a significant amount about her character

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And it becomes harder to dispell, at least for me, the more you look at it

supple walrus
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yeah i agree, actually after this conversation the way she is super sweet with than and zag just seems... ugh.

i can only explain it with what i said in my last post. all the things she criticizes about hypnos are things she would not tolerate in herself. this makes her react with so much apparent disdain for him. actually when you see it like that, there's parallels in hades' treatment of zagreus i guess

rough flax
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i mean, nyx's conversation implies that hypnos has been overly attached to her up until she started giving him some distance

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and like, would ask for her help for everything

mortal dune
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I don't find that especially egregious nor is it something he should be punished (and he perceives it like a punishment, so does Zag) to this extent for

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evidently by the start of the game it's not even true anymore, if it ever was (though that's getting into speculation)

supple walrus
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also hypnos relying on nyx "too much" is not a fault of his only, but also of hers. parents are the ones who have the power to shape the relationship with their children long before they do

mortal dune
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That's another point as well, in that going cold turkey on someone you've indulged into adulthood leaves them incredibly underprepared for adulthood in a way that lies on the parent

rough flax
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just giving him space to learn to do it himself

rough flax
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it's not like she kicked him out on the surface to take care of mortals and their sleep or smth

mortal dune
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But she is isolating him from her, and encouraging other people's isolation of him as well, by validating them when they mistreat him, and choosing to take their side in the event they might find him distasteful (which, in the context of his disability, is also quite cruel).

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She is functionally punishing him- using the stick in the carrot and stick method- by acting upon him and his relationships to both her and the other people in the House in such a way that he finds isolating and lonely.

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In order to 'teach him independence' she is talking to other people about him in such a way that separates him from them- insinuating that he's intolerable is an example of this

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He does not want this to be what their relationship is like, he does not like the way Nyx and Thanatos and even Meg and Zag treat him at times, and as such facilitating this on purpose serves to punish him.

rough flax
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i don't think it's used as a way of punishment, nor that it's that extreme
listen the truth is - when you bother people all the time, they get annoyed. and i'm saying this as a neurodivergent person that has absolutely bothered people to the point of ppl asking me to give them space, especially as a kid

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we can be a bit much, and it's fair of people to want some space

mortal dune
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With Hypnos it's much more akin to bullying, no?

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It's not 'space' if its in the context of a thousand years, and not in the context of her other relationships with people.

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If it were just 'space' then that could also be communicated in such a way that doesn't directly accuse Hypnos of fault either

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Emotional labour is rough, I understand entirely, but Nyx as Hypnos' mother should have more patience for him than she does, especially since he hasn't done much at all to warrant this level of dissociation from her.

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And irregardless of her intending it to be a punishment it is what Hypnos perceives it as. He thinks he's done 'bad', and as a result his mom doesn't talk to him.

rough flax
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there's a dialogue where he says "your mom doesn't spend any time with you either", but he doesnt seem to think it's because he's done something bad, just that he doesn't like it

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he only thinks he's done "bad" in thanatos' eyes, but not nyx's

frozen jolt
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this discussion for the past several days reminded me of this

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you go, this conversation is really interesting to watch from the sidelines and see what everyone interprets these moments in the game as

lapis echo
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wheres the bouldy one

shell musk
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Can the wretched broker come watch your champions fight in Ely?

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are they always there and I'm super blind?

true harness
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nah, he's never there

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it's always the same shades in elysium

shell musk
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are they always there? Have I mentally blinded myself to them? I could've sworn it's just uniform stands all around, and it's just Zag fan who's notable over there

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Feel like I'm going crazy

true harness
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nah they're always there

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but it's not the broker

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just another "lout style" shade

shell musk
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this selective blindness I have is freaking me out

true harness
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meh, I just roll with it

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"oh, this screen I've looked at five thousand times has a thing there that I never realized was here ? Oh well. It is what it is."

empty sable
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Hello !
I was searching the Internet to read anything on the Thoughts and research behind the character designs in Hades !
It's evident that they did a GOOD amount of research and JenZee delivered greatness zagluv

Any ideas where to look ?

mortal dune
# empty sable Hello ! I was searching the Internet to read anything on the Thoughts and resear...

https://youtu.be/2y4aGe0Y-K0?si=Amo4uAYsM_9s-9ui here’s one good video

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Ludiscere
The Mythology Behind Hades

https://patreon.com/ludiscere
https://twitter.com/ludiscere

hey everyone, welcome back to another video. this time round we’re taking a proper deep dive into the masterpiece that is Hades - however, rather than looking at this like a review, or a stereotypical analysis, we’re going to be checking out the mythology that inspired the game, and se...

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empty sable
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Thanks !
That's good but I was thinking on notes by the Art direction 😅

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I know a thing or two about Greek mythology (I'm from Greece ) , but I'd love to read the art direction thoughs

frozen jolt
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but all of it is very insightful

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oh that embed is weird lol

frozen jolt
empty sable
empty sable
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although I was looking for a deeper look

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Thanks though !

frozen jolt
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theres a lot about it in the ask supergiant channel in case you feel like backreading and havent yet shadesmile

true harness
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there's also this banger

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"How hard will be EM4 ?" "lol"

frozen jolt
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forever thinking about it

supple walrus
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saw some of it online on various sites but... scattered. ngl i would buy a super giant / jen zee art book instantly if they made that. i'd even pay for the shipment to europe🥲

frozen jolt
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i think a sg artbook is the most requested thing since forever

empty sable
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I'd love to have it

empty sable
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got some books from the UK and payed +80 Euro extra just to have them T_T AND THEY GOT DELIVERED AFTER 6 <<<< MONTHS
(in Greece)

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And it's not even overseas , imagine gitting something from the US zaglol

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I'll get some plane tickets !

frozen jolt
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yeah same, i love looking at art and getting insight to the development process of games

empty sable
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(I also, LOVE THEM)

frozen jolt
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i also recommend signing up to the newsletter bc there are bits of concept art sometimes. and trawling through twitter accounts of artists who worked on the game :D

empty sable
frozen jolt
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well there are more artists on the team/artists that worked on hades

empty sable
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I know, I'm looking for the visual team atm ^^

frozen jolt
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nice! :D

empty sable
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lol, I was following all of them already xD

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great team

quasi fox
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I need that artbook fr

zealous fox
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does orpheus comment if i pay off singers gamble? or is he gone until i pay singers gamble?

zealous fox
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is dusa favor bugged or something?i already gave her 4 ambrosia and did the epilogue reunion but her dialogue after the feast are generic non exclamation ones :/

true harness
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that's not her favor

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you need to renovate the lounge

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buy furnishing for it

zealous fox
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i already did that too

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i also already have her at 3 hearts past the arrow but still havent triggered any dialogue about work or dating her

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i also finished a place of revelery prophecy too
hopefully i didnt bug out the dialogue when i prioritized giving her ambrosia over the dialogue bc she keeps flying away after either dialogue

zenith wedge
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Her favor is already done if you could give her ambrosia

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But for the sticker you need 1 more random convo

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Probably the epilogue delayed it for a while but it should happen soon™

zealous fox
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it seems that every dusa dialogue goes back to generic comments (no exclamation mark) or commenting on other people's stories

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i hit up the wiki page and it says she gets fired by nyx at some point but i never got that and already gave her 4 ambrosia, as well as fixed up the lounge

frozen jolt
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did you give nyx any?

zenith wedge
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Fwiw for the sticker you don't need the dusa being fired event iirc

zealous fox
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i alrdy maxxed out nyx

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i gave her ambrosia later than dusa but i already got the nyx and chaos dialogue + bond

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i only have trouble getting dusa and aphrodite bond

zenith wedge
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Aphro is maxing Than/Meg/Dusa so makes sense

zealous fox
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yeah idk dusa is still giving me generic/ no excalamation mark dialogue kekhands

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oh yeah i guess theres also hypnos still being locked from ambrosia too

zealous fox
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ok so finally i get the convo where zag asks nyx about dusa not being allowed to talk to him
hopefully progress to bond convo

zealous fox
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or maybe not
nyx is giving dialogue not related to dusa and dusa herself is back to giving generic dialogue

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nobody else experienced this? might be a bug

main flint
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Have you checked for what the triggers are?

zealous fox
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ive given her tenth gift (4 ambrosia) and basically waiting for the bedroom conversation to trigger as the wiki describes but dusa is back to making generic comments

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just hasnt triggered if its not bugged but idk

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same thing with hypnos he's already had the chat with thanatos about having his performance improved on the job but no prompt yet to give him ambrosia

hallow sonnet
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So I have enough to fully upgrade either chaos shield or beowulf shield. Is there anything at all to be done with the chaos shield even?

pseudo stump
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Beowulf oh my word. Chaos shield just fires out cotton balls with its special

hallow sonnet
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I don't like it either. But Beowulf? Hm...

pseudo stump
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Beowulf is hecking strong

hallow sonnet
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But also difficult to use

pseudo stump
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Not too difficult if you have a handy keybind for Cast

hallow sonnet
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Keybind?

pseudo stump
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What are you asking?

true harness
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Beo is really not that hard. Clunky maybe in regular rooms, especially without cshot, but not hard

static rose
warm crescent
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How do you fulfill Dusa’s favor? I have gifted her all required Nectar and I’m up to the point where I’m at the heart locket.

Where do I go from here and furthermore: when can I get her companion?

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Please do not spoil the dialogue tho.

zenith wedge
warm crescent
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I need to get more Gemstones, fr.

zenith wedge
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Including fixing up cerb mess in the lounge and I think you need to buy a rug?

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The specifics are in the wiki

warm crescent
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The mattress for him.

zenith wedge
warm crescent
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Yeah, don’t have enough Gems for the Rug yet. I think that’s the last item I need.

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Alright I checked the wiki, yeah she requests a big overhaul in the House, for 12 specific renovations in the Lounge.

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And cleaning up Cerberus’s messes and marks.

jagged citrus
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Hi guys
I've had the conversation with Nyx about the eldest sigil
I enter the administrative room and Zag has a comment about it
But the contract is not there in the house contractor

Did I miss a step? anyone knows?

main flint
jagged citrus
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ahhh alright

warm crescent
main flint
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I guess they're very into cardio

zealous fox
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does thanatos stop showing up at the house if you've exhausted all his dialogue
i had him appear during my last run but he's not at the house

earnest terrace
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No, he just pops in every now and then

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Being the god of death is busy work

supple walrus
zealous fox
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ive had the talk with him in the bed room already

frozen jolt
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Same with Meg sometimes not showing up even when you beat her

jagged citrus
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anyone know how to progress meg's heart?
I'm stuck at the locked one, been somewhere 20 runs been stuck and no progress

frozen jolt
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I think it’s just waiting for her to appear in the bedroom for the second time and then the heart unlocks

jagged citrus
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any specific triggers?

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I'm guessing bcs I havent unlock all codex for her sisters, the red sister rarely appears to me at all

frozen jolt
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I don’t think so, it just happens eventually? Are you still getting unique dialogue from her?

jagged citrus
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nope, regular ones

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idk I'm losing hope

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could this be a bug?

true harness
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nah, it's just RNG being... "quirky"

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and "silly" and "funky"

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Nothing to do except bashing your head onto the wall until it finally gives in

warm crescent
# jagged citrus could this be a bug?

No, this isn’t a bug/glitch. You’re just at mercy of the RNG gods, and hope that you might get new dialogue. You will always encounter Meg first though considering she’s the first fury. It’s possible you might see her again or the others like Alecto and Tisiphone. The only bosses that have progressive variations in the game are the Furies and the Bone Hydra.

The last final encounters only get new variants or patterns from the Pact of Punishment.

zenith wedge
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(heroes do have 1 variation but it's a permanent change really)

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I don't mean EM

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  • is not permanent
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I meant the friendship arc they have where they end up unlocking the move where Asterius crashes into Theseus to provoke shockwaves

warm crescent
warm crescent