h1-story-discussion

[rough haven]

Didnt even know that was possible

[little warren]

I legit walked into the lounge and saw that and was like "OH!"

He looks so goofy

[hard rune]

I've gotten Meg and Achilles to the point where they are at the locked heart, how do I keep going to get the Companion

[safe cairn]

For Meg I think it's just doing enough conversations, but for Achilles I think you have to finish the whole Patroclus thing

[hard rune]

How do I do the pat thing

Just talk?

[zenith wedge]

Yeah just keep talking to both

[twilit zinc]

Man, Theseus is a bull-headed self-bloating bafoon but i did felt bad when he offered his autograph and Zagreus just straight up rejected it XD

[twilit zinc]

Just keep talking with both and you'll eventually unlock a dialogue with Nyx to progress

[rough haven]

Nah you dont offer autographs

[twilit zinc]

True but he was happy offering it

[grim socket]

I FINISHED YESTERDAY!! (with the main story at least <3)||
Now - doing all the tasks and bonds that still remain ❤️ I love that you get to / have to go on after the "Main Task" is done 😉
(AND I AM STILL MISSING THE BOND WITH APHRODITE! SHE'S THE ONLY ONE !!! GAAAH!) ||

[smoky sage]

I love how every single one of them - the gods - are so arrogant. Even artemis. It's always me me me me me haha. It's great and fits the theme so well. Of course, special mention for aphrodite. She's so self centered. Great writing 😄

Also, Dusa is so cute

[smoky sage]

And the ending quote after beating Hades becoming more and more pathetic ahahaha.... this is amazing

[spark yew]

I didn't think I needed ||Persephone|| to be an ally till I heard it. Also their interactions with her around the house is always wholesome and funny. Especially Hades. Just the "You did good ma boi. So has your daddy." Hades: grunts

Also Achilles is the best motivator, gives me captain america vibes whenever he talks.

[upper oak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/991190078380584971/1077347560718614559/4503B1A9-31EA-4467-AA4E-D92A3803EA07.jpg

[carmine trout]

Homer running out of ideas

[zenith wedge]

My fav post credit death

[desert viper]

we can talk spoilers here right? I want to ask something that's not clear to me.

[turbid cape]

Channel description says all spoilers welcome

[desert viper]

oh right. sorry.

so I just unlocked the reunion and it's not clear to me the explanation of Persephone and Hades to the olympians why she is in the underworld

and why did the olympians accepted it

[zenith wedge]

i dont remember the reason but basically
no one (mainly zeus) wanted to deal with the actual reason on how she got there

nobody wants a war between them

so Persophone just went with the "eat fruit of the underworld = "locked" in there" and gods were like aight good enough

[desert viper]

oh okay. that sums it up.

thanks!

[rocky grotto]

Not much one for professing my undying love for things openly, but Zagreus' character and his interactions with others feels as though it's actively made me a better person. If nothing else, it's taught me how to give people gifts less awkwardly!

[outer surge]

I imagine a bad end where Dionysos totally drunk eat a fruit and remember it on the Olympus and be like "Mhh, should I tell the others?"

[zenith wedge]

Persephone implies that the olympians know it wasnt exactly the full truth

Iirc

[carmine trout]

also Persephone is a demigoddess in the game, so the fruit probably affects her differently than a pure Olympian

[quasi sapphire]

How do you have 5 rerolls

[little warren]

I believe from one of the upgraded base items, the key? I can't remember exactly, but it's something you are eventually able to buy from the Contractor

Someone may be able to explain it better

[safe cairn]

Yep, you can get an upgrade that everytime you get a key during a run you also get a bonus reroll

altough the screenshot is outside of a run

so I think it just might be the other roll

cause there are two rolls depending on which mirror upgrade you take and one has max 4 and one has 8 I think

[little warren]

oooo ok ok, I haven't looked in that save yet to see what I have

[smoky sage]

||What the actual heck... Dusa just said goodbye for her last day!!!!! Right after I reunited Nyx and Chaos too. Why would Nyx do that??? This is really upsetting||

[spiral lily]

She herself said the fruit story was nonsense though

[wooden herald]

Ah yes, we love rng

[golden socket]

Just got the "One for the Ages" achievement on Steam. Is there anything more to work towards, story-wise, or am I pretty much done with that part of the game?

[vocal marsh]

there is no escape mistake
https://imgur.com/a/uSXJivR

[stray anvil]

she will come back dont worry

[vernal vine]

"Youe grandparents, the titans"
Demeter is one of my grandparents tho

Demeter is a Titan??

[uncut adder]

Uhhhhh

Who’s gonna tell em?

[misty mural]

But Hades is a son of Chronos (Cronos? Kronos? Brain forgot the spelling)

Who is a Titan

And since Greek mythology is less of a tree and more of a family pack of ramen noodles

The Titans are both your grandparents (Dad's side) and great grandparents (Mom's side)

As far as I know in the Supergiant timeline, Demeter does actually refer to herself as a "Foster sibling" to uncle zeus and the rest, so I believe its more of like a first or second cousins type of thing rather than Hades being Persophone's brother

I'm treading as lightly as I can, I hope I'm doing alright

[uncut adder]

Ye, pretty good.

[random hill]

Greek mythology family trees hurt my head

[safe cairn]

yeah in Hades Hades and Demeter would technically still be cousins, same for Zeus and Hera

so still bit of incest

[misty mural]

Immoral but legal in a lot of states

[safe cairn]

I wonder if since we're getting the Titans if they'll explore the family tree further up cause there is unavoidable incest there too

or if they'll kinda ignore/not mention it

[random hill]

They prob wouldnt mention it

I mean they never mentioned how persephone is basically zags cousin-mom lol

[safe cairn]

true

but then we probably won't get Gaia appearance/mentions which makes me sad

[random hill]

I mean mb we could

You never know

Incest in greek mythology isnt rlly that big a deal

[safe cairn]

I mean I wouldn't mind it but it seems SGG really wants to avoid it as much as possible

[random hill]

They wouldnt mention it but i dont think thatd stop them from putting in important figures like gaia

If zag really was nyxs sons after all hed basically be dating his own brother and/or step sister

[misty mural]

And he did think he was nyx's kid for a while

And still did that

[safe cairn]

Meg isn't related to Nyx I thought

[random hill]

She raised her i believe so basically like an adopted daughter

Got the word wrong lol

[vernal vine]

Bound to happen when the entire population is less than 30 lol

[misty mural]

True

The poor animals though

[rough haven]

Yeah everyone can be considered a relation until the children of the gods lmao

Because it was primordial chaos

Then the titans

Then the gods

Then the minor gods and other creatures

Then demigods

Then semi-demi gods

Then semi-demi-wemi gods

And so on

[uncut adder]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1031568485857370113/1081748229055594577/image.png?width=392&height=139

[sour shadow]

[random hill]

wait so an american accent in the game in considered an underworld accent?? bc dusa said that zag has a "surface accent"

[uncut adder]

Yep.

[misty mural]

Who has an American accent in the game??

Maybe I just haven't paid enough attention

[stable wedge]

i believe all of the chthonic gods (excluding hades and zagreus) and a few other underworld characters like skelly and dusa do??? im not sure either though, i never processed the fact that they have different accents HSJBDGJ

[safe cairn]

yeah underworld - american, overworld - british

Zag and Hades count as overworld technically

[misty mural]

Anyone born of the underworld

Disregarding zag

Now that I think about it Hypnos is definitely not British lmfao

[stable wedge]

RIGHT JSJBDG
im american myself so i never thought "ah yes. that is an american accent" and i feel very silly for not processing it now

[safe cairn]

tbh I'm not American or British and I never noticed it either until the dialogue with Dusa

[stable wedge]

actually oddly enough eurydice also has an american accent despite not being from the underworld???

[misty mural]

I mean Eurydice is a nymph also so maybe that factors in?

She's a nymph isn't she?

[stable wedge]

yes! shes an oak nymph

[little warren]

oh wow this entire discussion makes everything make so much more sense HAHA

[random hill]

I was aware that some characters have an english accent

Like a pretty strong accent honestly

Idk why it never occurred to me that characters like nyx and hypnos dont tho lmaoo

[little warren]

Cause like, all the Olympian Gods seem to have English accents, and so do Hades and Zag, while the Chthonic/Underworld deities/figures have American accents. It's a nice distinction!

[misty mural]

And then there's Skelly

Not quite the same as the Cthonics

[little warren]

y ep

[random hill]

i mean he was a human at one point

oh wait no actually the shades have english accents dont they

hes just like that ig lol

i think asterius also has an american accent but that just might be bc hes not a human

[wind remnant]

How do you know if you’ve maxed affinity with a god? Are there just no more empty/locked hearts?

[mortal thorn]

Yup, it takes between 5-10 hearts depending on the god

[wind remnant]

Ah I think I’m near the epilogue

Lost interest in pushing higher heat as 12+ is getting pretty hard so I might just finish off the main story and wait for the sequel

[upper oak]

yknow if you ever want something new to do theres always speedrunning....

[cerulean ether]

is persephone a farmer

[rough haven]

Not really

Shes the goddess of spring

[cerulean ether]

does she plant stuff

[rough haven]

Uh ig

Idk not too familiar with her lore

[uncut adder]

Yep.

[kind falcon]

Persephone is the wife of Hades

[rough haven]

Yes

she is the goddess of spring

Demeter is the farmer

closely related to persephone

[safe cairn]

in the game Persephone's title is Goddes of Verdure so basically greenery

so kinda farmer too

[cerulean ether]

technically still a farmer

[uncut adder]

True.

Well, Gardener.

Farmer subclass.

[lapis rune]

How the hell do babies work in the hades universe

Like persephone, the mother, didnt know her child was birthed

Then he got birthed without her presence

[safe cairn]

She knew he got birthed

he was stillborn though

[cerulean ether]

ye

the child was born

but the he died

so persephone just like

oh damn bruh

then she went back to greece to live (she was high on copium)

and then zagreus respawns and everyone there facepalms probably

[stable wedge]

like someone else already said, he was stillborn
in her grief, persephone left, and then nyx defied fate to bring him back to life, but no one told persephone that, no, her son is actually Not Dead anymore

[cerulean ether]

persephone bruh moment fr

[uncut adder]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/755677197670285312/1083678373823385631/image.png?width=1358&height=560

YESSS!!!!!

I FINISHED THE FISH LIST!!!!

LEZZZZ GOOOOOOO!!!!!

[carmine trout]

fml i still haven't managed to catch that fish

rng gods, why

[uncut adder]

It’s in Chaos, and u need a perfect catch.

[cerulean ether]

Brooo

You spent waay too much grassless time in Hades

[uncut adder]

True.

[cerulean ether]

I've reached Hades for the 4th time now lol

[uncut adder]

Nice.

[cerulean ether]

kept dying

aparently artemis special dont work well with that bow

whatever

[carmine trout]

yeah, i know it's in chaos but you need a chaos gate, then you need to be lucky enough to get a fishing point

and then you need to be skilled enough

[uncut adder]

Well I’ve had good rng so far, I just always fumbled the bag on Chaos.

[random hill]

Wait

Whats a perfect catch

[uncut adder]

When u time the catch for a fish perfectly.

Usually gives u better rewards.

[random hill]

Mb thats why ive only been getting crappy fish 😭

[uncut adder]

Lel.

[haughty thorn]

Idk what the best boons for Chiron are as I dont use it often but maybe try Zeus special?

Bolts do a ton of dmg

Then do Aphrodite attack and get Zeus call and smouldering air if you can

[zenith wedge]

zeus special has an internal cooldown of 0.2 secs, so you only get like 1-2 bolts with chiron

[solar sapphire]

Nyx says if she did not reveal my existence to the olympians and they found out it would be bad. Am I deceiving them in the story? And why is Persephone hiding?

[haughty thorn]

Ah true

I'm just going off of that build working on Rama

[rough haven]

Youl find out

[cerulean ether]

How do you beat the game without relying on rng to boost your special to ridiculous levels

[uncut adder]

https://tenor.com/view/gg-ez-get-good-sasuke-meme-gif-25569461

[uncut adder]

But seriously, max out your mirror.

That’s a consistent way to improve your runs.

[cerulean ether]

Idk man

My most consistent winning strat rn is the intercontinential ballistic missile + aphro/artem spec

and then spam that

[uncut adder]

LelZ

You can actually force that… By maxing mirror.

[uncut adder]

Oh yeah, I forgot.

You could also: Play Shield unironically

Run Zagfist Plume Gaming

Play Javelin Spear

And God Mode.

[cerulean ether]

Elaborate

How do I force the builds I want

[uncut adder]

There’s Fated Persuasion, it rerolls Boons.

[cerulean ether]

💀that exists???

is that after the 30 jey unlock

[uncut adder]

Yep.

[cerulean ether]

goddamn

Key grinding gets boring

and i'll spend 15 keys on titan blood any chance I get lol

[uncut adder]

Lel, fair.

[cerulean ether]

BROOO

THEY SELLING A DIAMOND FOR 100 GEMS

I HAVE 98

SCREW THEM

THE BROKER IS WRETCHED

[uncut adder]

…

[cerulean ether]

WHO LIKES COWS

[uncut adder]

…

Me?

[cerulean ether]

amazing

[uncut adder]

Indeed.

[cerulean ether]

getting chthonic keys are annoying

[uncut adder]

True, it’s funny how easy keys are to get after you unlock the rest of the mirror.

[cerulean ether]

funnee

[uncut adder]

Foneee

[cerulean ether]

Fun Fact:

Best boy is neither any of the gods or demigods

our best boy is cerberus

[uncut adder]

^

[cerulean ether]

question

deez nuts or not

[uncut adder]

Yes.

[grim socket]

is it possible to forge a bond with Sysiphus? he's the only one i'm missing

[zenith wedge]

yeah

are you missing only the bond or still in the lock?

[dreamy garden]

Yes. Give him nectar and talk to Bouldy.

[dreamy garden]

The goodest, goodest, and the goodest of bois.

[grim socket]

Only the bond

[cerulean ether]

beef tartarus

[cerulean ether]

CERBERUS ABANDONED
his post in order to eat

that was funny, supergiant

[languid yew]

so does zagreus ever eat

or is he just
starving
perpetually

[cerulean ether]

do you know

whenever he do escapes

he eats a bunch of poms

that's how he lives

his dad would not feed him if he doesn't escape

jk that's a joke

if he starves to death then he'll respawn nearly-starved to death then

[open lava]

I just finished the game after Heat 9, is there more to the story ahead?

[zenith wedge]

If you got the 10 escapes (aka Presephone already back with you) then you are still missing the epilogue

Dont expect something crazy story wise just a neat finishing touch

There os also any story you have with other characters like Achilles and patroclus , etc

[rose saddle]

How do you get the “hidden” aspect for shield

[grizzled nebula]

pins

3rd message down

[rose saddle]

Witch one is for shield

[flat nebula]

aegis

im early i know

[rose saddle]

I know

I’m early I know

[haughty thorn]

Has anyone else noticed that Zagreus's relationships all align to a sort of Greek ideal of love? Like Dusa is Platonic, Meg is Erotic, etc.

I havent really tried to align it all up beyond that

[rough haven]

Yeah

Kinda

[uncut adder]

Yep, later in the story you find out that it’s deliberate.

I think it’s when u max hearts with Aphro.

[open lava]

i see

[haughty thorn]

Oh yeah I forgot that dialogue

[wooden herald]

What would you say thanatos's is?

[haughty thorn]

2 options and it really depends. There is Ludus which sort of fits the fwb thing they have. Then there is Philia, which is committed friendship, but I feel the would better fit someone else.

Agape probably applies to Chaos. Chaos likes Zagreus like they admire all creations.

More mostly because Zagreus found a way there

Could be something else too. I find Dusa most representative since she turns you down either way

I think of this love scheme as Zagreus's needs for others manifesting according to plan.

Since why he would bother to interact with others or follow his duties is a major question of the game.

There is an interesting contradiction I notice there though, since his plan to isolate himself from his family involved relying on the rest of his family.

Philia might just apply to Dusa since Platonic love is just a term we use now to describe the ideal Plato was describing.

[open lava]

Can i continue story without heat?
epilogue is remaining i finished the game

[rough haven]

Yes

[open lava]

okay thanks

[edgy jay]

you’ll need quite a bit of ambrosia, and heat is an easy way to get it, but you can also go to the wretched broker and/or try using different weapons.

[open lava]

i just used stygian whole game so might try other weapon for ambrosia

[edgy jay]

varatha malphon and the shield (i forgot what it’s called) are the most similar ones to stygius; if you don’t have the upgrade from the house contractor that gives you gemstones for bosses or the fishing rod i’d recommend getting those as well for the wretched broker

[open lava]

i have everything unlocked in contractor

so i can try those weapons

[edgy jay]

getting to the epilogue shouldn’t be too hard then : )

[open lava]

i see thanks 😄

[frozen jolt]

@uncut adder please keep it clean

[uncut adder]

My b.

Sorry.

[scarlet tide]

I just noticed, why are fury sisters called fury sisters if it's the roman name version, and in greek mythology they are erinyes?

[safe cairn]

Meg calls them erinyes too

[carmine trout]

why's the name in English, the original is in ancient Greek

[haughty thorn]

How do I explain it uh, it's sort just using Shakespeare language

Which generally uses Roman names

This is done as a sort of interpretation of how a different language is spoken and interpreted.

It's basically why a lot of tropes about classical productions exist

Including the weird half British accent

It's like a fake authenticity if that makes sense. By referencing the trope, it seems real.

Not that that is bad. Hades is really a very fun use of this kind of genre and such.

So Erinyes and Furies are just used as synonyms.

Why? Arguably because in a lot of classical poetry, repeating the same word is discouraged, and often it is easier to fit in a synonym into a rhyme scheme or whatever.

This is even done somewhat in Homer

I'm a bit rusty but there is a term for the sort of titles Homer uses as "filler" or like, poetic licence, like fleet-footed Hermed

Repeated adjectives meant to immediately identity the character and their traits.

So what is Meg's character? She isnt literally her characteristics, she is more than whatever she represents and a Fury. But her character is to perform as a Fury.

Hope this makes sense. I can see it being kind of confusing because it's sort of like, talking around the subject matter and specifics to produce poetic effect.

[wanton badge]

From where did the Infernal Arms come from?

And, lorewise...

Which's your favorite?

[tight drum]

i like how the codex jabs at the rail, saying "I am relieved to say the Rail's cruel design has not yet been discovered in a stroke of mortal inspiration, to conduct their wars. Let us pray for their sake that it never shall."

guns are powerful

[wanton badge]

Oof, Achilles will be at a surprise for sure

Mine's Malphon and how Demeter punched her father in the balls

[worthy fog]

If the starting boon seems pretty terrible for a weapon, whats the best course of action?

[wanton badge]

Hope that you get a replacement later on

[tight drum]

sell asap

[carmine trout]

love the rail's Lucifer aspect and the magnetic Malphon

Varatha's triple extended jab is also OP

lorewise i like varatha and stygian, as Zagreus has the physique and mentor that can make them formidable

[frosty bloom]

Shower thought: Hades 2's main girl may as well be Zagreus' daughter, instead of brother.

because of the trailer, her last line was "i'm coming for you father" then we cut to Hades, we immediately connect Hades = Father, but that's not necessarily be the thing here.

[carmine trout]

pretty sure that's what the message is supposed to convey though

[frosty bloom]

my headcannon be damned 😆 Since it's going to be a "follow up" game, I anthropomorphised the characters like regular humans falling in love, having a kid etc.

[carmine trout]

well, greek gods don't need antropomorphization usually, they're usually depicted as "human in all of humanity's aspects but ALSO SUPERPOWERS"

they fall in and out of love, they have kids, some of them have so, so many kids that it becomes a problem

[safe cairn]

in FAQ it straight up says she's Zag's sister

[lime mantle]

Micro eg?

[haughty thorn]

The sickle Mel uses was literally used by Cronus to castrate his father.

Such a wild premise for the sequel

Because as soon as I saw the trailer all I could think is cycles of violence and that she is gonna castrate the patriarch of the family

[carmine trout]

do you think supergiant would actually go through with openly stating that though

i suppose it miiiight get hinted at but...

[haughty thorn]

Its hinted at yeah. I doubt it will happen.

It's just kind of implied to me and its definitely very aggressive along with the witch theme. I like it.

Like regardless they might have to acknowledge it

It's one of the main origin stories of Aphrodite.

But as far as I remember they havent aligned with any yet

It likely wont be exactly that story, but it's a major element of the weapon in the way Hades uses myths.

That sickle represents ending the old and bringing on the new.

[silver wharf]

Post-epilogue after saving Hades. "Uhhh daughter, about that weapon..."

[ashen ember]

what he's his younger sister by several years, and she still has to rescue hades and we hear hades's voice-- but the image in chains that looks like hades is actually zagreus who's also captured

[warm kettle]

after few hours playtime , I feel that the dialogue in this game is in high level English and a little difficult to understand for someone who speaks English as their second language.

like "... they mock me, still." , this is looks weird sentence for me ..

most of it comes from the dialogues of hades

[hard rose]

There are some word orders that aren't necessarily rules

they can be rearranged based on vibes

[warm kettle]

maybe it would be easily to understand if like this :
" i do like to play with cerberus ... still ". rather than >
"i do like to play with cerberus , still ".

but yeah i didn't beat the game yet , stuck at third boss ... but i enjoy every dialogues in this game , masterpiece.

[haughty thorn]

It's just reversing the order for effect. Fair though. They do use heightened English sometimes.

Glad you like it and are understanding it well enough.

[warm kettle]

thank you , i learn english from game and english community .. still bad in grammar tho .

[cerulean ether]

old-ass ancient english

i think

[whole widget]

how do i get the mystery aspects on my weapons?

beat the game 2 times now

[undone vessel]

Just unlock every other aspect I think

[whole widget]

hmm ok

[undone vessel]

Nah nvm I'm dumb

[haughty thorn]

Check the pins

All hidden aspect unlocks are explained there.

In #h1-for-new-players

[lime hinge]

ive done everything and got all the hidden aspects but the gloves, i keep fighting him but ||the bull just womt give me the waking phrase||

[rough haven]

Like in the miniboss room or in the final fight with theseus

[lime hinge]

i cant get to say anything other then a varation if the “you challenge me again short one” in his solo room. i keep doinf fist runs but he wont tell me the wakeup phrase

i think he already commented “huh u think u can beat me with bare hands” a while ago and i have enough titan blood in the fists

but i can’t trigger the wake up phrase

[bitter imp]

and you've unlocked the spear hidden aspect?

[open berry]

"ive done everything and got all the hidden aspects but the gloves" i would assume yes

unfortunately with the way dialogue works in the game, if you've met all of the requirements there isn't much you can do besides keep trying

stuff like aspect dialogue is supposed to be weighted for higher priority in the dialogue pool but sometimes that doesn't work and you just have to keep trying until it pops up. unfortunately x2 this is pretty much the dialogue system working as intended

there's no way to force a dialogue to trigger other than meeting the minimum requirements and hoping for the best

[lime hinge]

okidoky ty!

[sweet knoll]

how many runs did it take y'all to progress the story with sisyphus and then achilles and patrcolus? I'm 60 clears deep and still unable to gift them anything more or getting any more dialogue options with them

[carmine trout]

have you tried talking to bouldy

[sweet knoll]

omg

never tried that

[carmine trout]

yeah, it took me a while to notice too

[safe cairn]

it's not available from the start but there is a dialogue where sisyphus says you could try talking to him and after that you can even give Bouldy nectar

[sweet knoll]

oh my god it worked lmao that's unexpected

[lime hinge]

hey so i uh completed war god bloodlust but ares is still locked i cant give him ambrosia?

[lime hinge]

does anyone know why/ how to unlock. i thought i just needed to complete tht prophecy

[haughty thorn]

Iirc he has some dialogues about Nyx that may have to do with it.

[lime hinge]

anything specific i need to do to trigger it? or just keep picking up his boons

[haughty thorn]

I think you have to set up a date between them? The wiki does say it is just the prophecy though right?

[lime hinge]

yeh

[haughty thorn]

If so, it's just dialogue rng. You have to keep talking to him.

You will get the dialogue that unlocks the next hearts then

[lime hinge]

kk ty

[haughty thorn]

Np

[lime hinge]

its just like there are times i dont even get dialogie with him it just cuts to a boom choice

[haughty thorn]

Yeah. That happens too.

[open berry]

nyx isn't related to the ares prophecy iirc, you just have to wait for him to give you the prophecy finishing dialogue on subsequent runs

[lime hinge]

like i turned the minor list prophecy in so i figured it was done

[open berry]

i am not fully sure on that as i did that quest in early access and it was bugged for a while anyway but i am pretty positive there isnt any required dialogue about nyx or from her

am on my way to bed so i cant check into it atm but if its not marked complete i think it may just be doing more runs til it pops

🫡

[lime hinge]

kk ty! ill equip the blood ig lol

[haughty thorn]

Yeah just mentioned Nyx as that is a dialogue chain with him with as a "quest", thought it was related.

[lime hinge]

ok so ive been doing runs and it still wont unlock to let me give him ambrosia

im uh getting concerned

[tight drum]

if you've slain 10k enemies then it's gott a just be rng

[haughty thorn]

Yeah

Just keep doing ME I guess

[lime hinge]

yeah i turned the prophecy in like a week ago lmao

just waiting for him to let me give him ambrosi

my fiance says i need to do more god favors for it to happen or something

[open berry]

as far as i can tell you literally just have to finish the prophecy and do more runs. have you ever seen a line of text from him that starts with something like "The more you slay your enemies, my kin, the stronger the bond between us, I think."

theres his 10k souls line which is for finishing the prophecy i think and once thats turned in (which you say you have) then its really just. finding that one line for the unlock

if he's just giving you recycled dialogue and you still cant get the unlock im not sure whats going on :/a his quest was buggy initially but i thought it was fixed

[lime hinge]

ih my god i literally just got it

[lime hinge]

it was doing this for a while ive been playing daily for a week trying to get it to pop

and it just finally popped lmao

[open berry]

he was being stinky, glad it finally came up!

[haughty thorn]

Nice!

[wild elm]

been playing hades for about a week and love it so far, but the prose has some consistent stylistic and grammatical issues that keep setting off my copyeditor alarm bells. i don't hate the writing by any means-- for all its faults, the character dialogue is still frequently charming, imo, and the narration manages a punchy turn of phrase now and then. plus, the fact that sg has ONE writer is insane to me, and kudos to him for outputting such a massive amount of work. still, though, i'm frustrated by it frequently enough that i guess i felt the need to ask if anyone else has similar frustrations. i may just be embarrassingly persnickety, tho, lol

[open berry]

i do not relate, i am afraid ):

and welcome!

[lime hinge]

i dont get upset by it but theres a phrase zag keeps using that i think is really goofy bc it just grammatically feels off. maybe not grammatically idk im not a word dr. but when says “this could come in useful” it makes me giggle lmao

ither then that particular instance tho i think the dialogue is phenomenal and im in love with the fact that aside from the chatter of the faceless shades its fully voice acted

i come with a question now tho. so im tryna get it on with ||than|| but i cant talk to them so i cant gift to them. every time i go back to the house i just listen into a conversation and then poof gone. i wanna give them the good good nectarrrrr uwaaaa

[wild elm]

i noticed that too, but i think may be a regional idiom. i've definitely heard/seen "come in useful" in other contexts

yeah, it's a recognized idiom

apparently not a regional one, though. ANYWAY, @lime hinge have you encountered this character outside the house yet? in my experience, ||the encounters in which he assists you are your main opportunities to give him nectar||. I haven't given them any nectar beyond the keepsake threshold--maybe you get more opportunities to bond once you do, but i haven't been able to talk to them directly in the house thus far

[lime hinge]

yeah no im out of that phase where you can gift ||after you little kill count battles he just poofs away im at the point where i give him ambrosia|| i just am@having bad luck on the rng

[wild elm]

ah gotcha

[lime hinge]

finalllly they showed up

[lime hinge]

i swear ever since i got hermes quest for ||kill charon twice in a row his fight/coinbag hasn’t spawned once|| lmao rng why

[lime hinge]

Woo did it

just 4 more trophies

and i already finished 2 if them it just hasnt popped yet

||changing achillies and sisphus pact||

i just closed and opened the game and one of them popped lmao

[lime hinge]

i just wish the gods would unlock theyre hearts

no one giving me quests and the hermes quest i did complete hasnt opened his heart

whats up with these dialogue priorities

[zenith wedge]

When you mean hermes qiest are you talking about the defeat charon twice?

[lime hinge]

the gods jist keep tlking abt my weapons and stuff not giving me theyre quests to unlock theyre hearts

[lime hinge]

yea

[zenith wedge]

Cuz that isn't his favor

[lime hinge]

ahh tht makes sense then

[zenith wedge]

You need to talk to him with his keepsake at 3 stars

[lime hinge]

ohhh is that what triggers his quest? or is that his quest

[zenith wedge]

Thats his quest

Poseidon does something similar, his prophecy of defeating em3 theseus is not the one that opens the loc

[lime hinge]

idk what opened his lock but i have him filled iut

[zenith wedge]

You need to have a certain amount of fish caugh and then talk to him with a fish on hand

Oh nice

[lime hinge]

zues posiden and ares are done

i have athena aphrodite dinosaurus artemis and hermes all with locked hearts

[zenith wedge]

Dino 💀

Aphro can take a while

[lime hinge]

they keep commenting on my weapons and whatnot but wont give me the favor

[zenith wedge]

Not all of them comment on whats their favor

You can guess it by the character tho

[lime hinge]

i mean i dont have any prophecies for them

like the dialogue that initiates the favor isn’t happening

[zenith wedge]

Dio for exaple just keep bein a good person and spread ambrosia everywhere

Aphro doest mention what she wants but you can guess if you have your relationship with some characters developed

[lime hinge]

ik she needs me to bang everyone i can bang

but like. do the favors not show up as propheicies then?? is it just tasks i need to figure out

i think ive given ambrosia to enough ppl for dino

and im almost done romancing i have 2 out of 3 finished

like all the other favors have shown up as prohphicies

[zenith wedge]

Yeah not everything is a prophecy's

[lime hinge]

ahh alright then

that clears a lot up

[zenith wedge]

Poseidon/hermes/zeus/artemis dont show

Ares maybe?

[lime hinge]

ares does show up yea

its a trophy

[zenith wedge]

Oh

[lime hinge]

so i assumed the rest would show up

[zenith wedge]

Charon for example doesnt show up

[lime hinge]

but maybe it’s different bc its a trophy

[zenith wedge]

But that happens by just playing lol

[lime hinge]

does charon have a favor!?

[zenith wedge]

All characters have a lock yeah

[lime hinge]

good to know

[zenith wedge]

Gods wise the best to know is that demeter wont open till the epilogue

But she counts as one of the 6 gods you need to max as soon you reach the lock

[lime hinge]

i know i cant get her till the epilogue i havent given her much nextar bc if that

but to get to the epilogue i need to bond with the gods

its 6 i need to bond with damn i thought it was just 5

[zenith wedge]

Dem/hermes are easy ones at least lol

Zeus/arte too if rng is kind

Then dio just kinda happens if you keep gifting

[lime hinge]

ok it looks like i dealt out enough ambrosia just need to forge more binds for dio

and ik how to do hermes now thts good

[lime hinge]

nvm i do have enough forged bonds

just gotta keep running i guess

[lime hinge]

wooo epilogue here we go

[sacred sail]

Oh my god

Did I sent a message saying free nitro earlier?

I think I got hacked

[frozen jolt]

yeah

change your pw and set 2FA i suppose D:

[sacred sail]

omw

I'm really sorry for the inconvinience

I got kicked on a few servers

[safe cairn]

happened to my friend too, sent a PM to bunch of people and also to several servers

would recommend a virus scan too

she found a keylogger

[radiant coral]

am i allowed to discuss an au idea here or should that go to #fan-works

[dusky raptor]

well it's to discuss the story of the game

are you doing that

[radiant coral]

ehhh
ill put it in fanworks to be safe

[random river]

How many times do I have to beat Hades before I can give nectar to persephone? I wanna see what she says

[tight drum]

10

[random river]

Yeesh I’m only at 3

[haughty thorn]

Keep practicing and it will be easy to do every time.

[random river]

I’ve officially made it 8 times total since then

[atomic forge]

Does anyone know how I can give the ambrosia to dusa? I've finished doing her favor but the option still isn't there. Does it have something to do with Nyx?

[tight drum]

just keep talking to her

[real crypt]

For Meg should one do full escapes or lava runs ok not showing up in zags room

[torpid wigeon]

You just need to keep talking to Nyx and then eventually she will hire Dusa back.
And it costs 2 ambrosia for gifting💀

[austere furnace]

Dusa ambrosia keeps increasing
I gave her 4 yesterday 💀

[zenith wedge]

Gotta restock the lounge

[torpid wigeon]

It seems like Zagreus really care about Dusa and he's doing his best to make Dusa happy.

[spark nimbus]

hold on

are thanatos and megaera siblings

[safe cairn]

No

The Furies are born of Titan blood

[spark nimbus]

oh thank god

[carmine trout]

i had a similar reaction when i thought Zag and Than were brothers at some point...

and then learned about Zag's heritage some more

thankfully

but yeah, greek myths

they go there

[tight drum]

pretty sure hades devs made sure there wouldn't be incest

[safe cairn]

There is still incest, it's just hidden

it's unavoidable

[hushed salmon]

its based on greek mythology, half of the things came from incest if we are being honest so its good that they didnt directly point to it

[meager mica]

Can Hades sit down?

Trying to figure out why Zag cant

[hushed salmon]

Hades is sitting down everytime we meet him at the house aint he?}

[meager mica]

Well I think it might be more because devs cant animate Zag sitting down

[hushed salmon]

I think the main reason would be, why would they animate Zag sitting down if its a rogue like, if it had more building stuff I can see it, but that aint the main reason for the game

[meager mica]

Is Nyx oldest goddess?

Read she is second oldest being next to her dad Chaos

[safe cairn]

Not sure if she's THE oldest other than Chaos, but she's a primordial, so she's one of the oldest ones

[rotund mango]

Hiii I’m after a little help - I’m a MA Classical Studies student doing a thesis on the underworld geography of Hades!

I was wondering if anyone has encountered any in depth info of the devs/artists talking about their inspiration from classics within the story/setting - it would be SUPER helpful for me >.<

I already have a fair bit but I thought id throw a message into the abyss and see if anyone can help me hehe

[tulip tree]

I'm pretty sure asphodel and Elysium are from Greek mythology
the others probably are too but I'm not sure about them

also there are a few weapons in the game from classic stories like Beowulf, King Arthur, and a few others

I'm not sure where to find developer/actor commentary though

[rotund mango]

Yes! Totally - all the landspaces you see are from ancient descriptions, it’s super sick

[rotund mango]

Thank youuuu regardless

[haughty thorn]

Zagreus cant sit down because his feet are burning

[open berry]

i think the closest you can get is the noclip documentary but its kinda the development process of the game as a whole

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-THgg8QnvU4JEVov1tMlFThNYS92F8uC

[winter geyser]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ykgcWcMpSA this only really covers characters, in general I don't think they talk super often about the setting necessarily

https://youtu.be/PqiTG-j_tT4?t=3327

I can remember Greg saying something at some point about reading like the illad and other classical texts but I'm not sure where

[open berry]

oh you can search comments in this servers search bar from him about that

such as this https://gyazo.com/84735ba7a291273baf21ce4a9976bf5b

typically it'll all be in #ask-supergiant

im sure he's mentioned it elsewhere since its def smth that comes up a bit

[rotund mango]

Oooh you’re all so incredibly helpful!! Thank you 🥰

[haughty thorn]

I posted a bit about this in response to the poll about hottest NPC. How do people feel about Artemis? What is her sexuality? What is the significance of her relationship dialogue with Zagreus?

I think the game portrays her as homoromantic and asexual. All of her dialogue with Zagreus upon a relationship bar change has to do with Callisto, effectively making that dialogue her coming out to you, but never confirming because it also just isnt like a sexual relationship, leaving some stuff in the dark potentially.
I also believe Thanatos in his relationship dialogue comments on Olympus being more heteronormative than Hades, explaining the tone of Artemis's dialogue. I would need to replay thoroughly to confirm this dialogue.

It's a bit until pride but it seems like an interesting topic

[frozen jolt]

hey yall just a reminder to keep it clean, i also see in #h1-discussion that this it may have originally stemmed from the game character but it seems like its toeing the line between a discussion about the original mythology and such and the game. if youd like to continue it, please take it to dms

or to #off-topic-discussion if its just about the myth, keeping the rules from #readme-first in mind

[haughty thorn]

Oh fair. I am going off of her story dialogue specifically. Sorry.

That's why I thought it was best left to this channel.

[mint cloak]

got || back together with meg, scene was pretty nice 😳 ||

[tight drum]

ikr

[hidden charm]

Why don’t the gods just take hades’ son away

Like send Some horse with wings

And fly to Olympos

[vocal root]

hades is very powerfull, and demeter showed taht you cant just storm the underworld

[zenith wedge]

You also dont wanna mess with the place that has the trapped souls of lots of people

[haughty thorn]

The Olympians fought with Hades in the Titanomachy where they sealed their own parents in Tartarus for eternity. If they failed, they would suffer the same.

You wouldnt recreate a war of that scale over one kid

Even if Hades is merciful or they win it isnt worth it. Who would manage Hades?

There is a certain balance struck and they have to work within it.

[tight drum]

it's pretty tough to get out of the underworld as we've seen

could you imagine storming towards it?

[sour shadow]

and personally i dont think the gods really care about zag all that much

like they help him because of their ego but really if they did care they'd actually send someone to get him out

like honestly they couldn't care less if zag makes it or not, he shows them respect and so they give him a little help, they don't even consider zag a full god so he isnt even granted that respect

[haughty thorn]

They initially help him because they have personal grudges against Hades

[meager mica]

Did devs make it clear Hades is separate universe?

We dont really get a concise time period, more like a ceasar salad of events

[hushed salmon]

Seperate universe to what?

[meager mica]

ours

like they are not even trying to adapt events

[hushed salmon]

Uh

[meager mica]

only loose one is Achiles' arc

[hushed salmon]

well uh

considering it is based on myths and not things that happened.....

I'd say its pretty much confirmed its on a different universe

Specially considering the focus they have on zagreus since unless you were a scholar I'd say the chances of knowing he existed are dim

And the fact that persephone is in the surface and yet its still frozen over which would imply that demeter hasnt seen her daughter in awhile

so...

Yes, its a separate universe

[haughty thorn]

It basically is yes. Consider it all an isolated parallel for telling its story.

Yeah I've heard of Zagreus maybe once before but never heard of Melinoë

Both are extremely minor

Basically our actual array of myths are very small

Why? Because we have two major sources, one poetic and one just a sort of curmudgeonly academic

Homer and Hesiod.

Then there are other various sources that generally are more specific

Because Homer and Hesiod are also metropolitans. They were writing stories for a growing concept of a Greek nation, where before it was mostly scattered, loosely related people.

But Hades is actually very faithful to multiple stories.

The prank Dionysus has you play on Orpheus is great

So it is it's own universe, separate even from our own classical Greek myth, but is still faithful to it.

Best of both worlds I guess to do the most with the material.

[rotund mango]

I mean the brilliance of mythology is that it’s a soup of ideas - it welcomes and creates stories of its own, you don’t need to conform to a specific rigorous structure to recognise it

So hades could be another universe, but you could also see it as just another perspective on the underworld

We have so many stories, the game slots perfectly into the line

[rotund mango]

Zagreus’ origin is super cool tbh, I won’t go into it cos it’s not appropriate for this channel but I loveee the idea of finding a little minor character and creating a whole game around him

[haughty thorn]

Yeah I take it as it's own contribution. It's very rigorous and is very specific with what it chose to leave in vs leave out.

Like actually modifying the story of Persephone to make it more neutral and complex

[rotund mango]

Even eurydice’s story is much more neutral! It’s wonderful

Like in myth she has no real idea of choice but in the game there’s very much an idea of autonomy and her choice

Beautiful

[main flint]

I'd like to think that this is a continuity of how the stories were traditionally told since most of them were shared orally initially

So each speaker infused the story with their perspective

[haughty thorn]

Yeah exactly

[rotund mango]

Totally!!!

[zenith wedge]

just keep playing

[tight drum]

the first time he calls you Zagreus 🥰

[frozen jolt]

Please don’t try to evade the swear filter, thank you!

[celest oxide]

i have zero clue if this means anything but i do find it interesting that in asterius’ battle, his title is “asterius, bull of minos” while in theseus’ fight hes just titled “minotaur”

could be that theseus sees him less as a dude and more of just a warrior or monster? idk

havent finished the game yet but these are my silly thoughts

[main flint]

I don't think it's meant as a derogatory term since both mean the same thing afaik

[celest oxide]

fair

i just think the fact hes only called by his title and not his name in theseus’ fight is interesting

[zenith wedge]

Also Theseus and Minotaur are like the bros™

They even have their own friendship arc

[main flint]

Also, seeing as Zag is the one who "sees" the titles, it's proly Zag who is attributing him as the Minotaur

[uncut adder]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1082065225940996198/1103244460839665724/image.png?width=1251&height=701

[grizzled rose]

Not sure a god is the best to ask, Zag...Achilles is right there! 😅

[uncut adder]

I’m saying.

[upper oak]

hey have you watched/listened to hadestown because i think you would love it

[haughty thorn]

Maybe in a sense, but Theseus does have some sort of respect for Asterius. Its complicated and unclear and Asterius especially only hints at his code, I guess.

Yeah I remembered the story. When Asterius died he could have gone to a worse part of Hades, but Theseus ensured he would be given a place in Elysium due to him technically being his half brother, and of course that making him royalty.

The fear of a worse place in Hades is feared so much that Asterius dedicated his existence to Theseus, to fight with him forever

And also that he was respected as a person in that decision, and given a humane afterlife.

[uncut adder]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/751932983094804582/1103630535399583764/image.png?width=1268&height=701

I broke the one rule, don't piss off Grandmother.

[haughty thorn]

Its funny she has the worst revenge/theseus call

[uncut adder]

Lel.

[haughty thorn]

Just taking over half the map

I remember when a bloodless jumped into the vortex right as it spawned in the middle of one of those rooms.

Adding another like 20 seconds to the room

[safe cairn]

I mean if you're speedrunning then yeah but if you're just doing the run then Demeter is one of the easiest as it's most of the time very easy to avoid and they also have that indicator before they spawn of where they are going to spawn

[eager ridge]

this made me chuckle when i read it

[uncut adder]

Right?

[uncut adder]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1104680762751594526/image.png?width=1246&height=701

[celest oxide]

my ranking of the silly shades around the house:

1. wretched broker
2. zagreus’ only fan
3. head chef
4. resource director
5. house contractor

the only one i actually dislike is house contractor because he refuses to speak to medusa. evil being….

[haughty thorn]

They're all bound to service for a reason. They have less freedom than Dusa.

[uncut adder]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/699738209546141697/1105492455643693056/FB_IMG_1683640115824.jpg

[main flint]

You've got a friend in horse

[tight drum]

NOPE NOT A FRIEND

[haughty thorn]

Actually a friend (Greece and Turkey have had millenia of cultural exchange and a war does not make them inherent enemies)

You got 100 friends in me

I think Troy is in modern Turkey at least. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[grizzled rose]

Yup! Turkey. Right on the coast.

[inland island]

Wooohooo! I had a pretty dreadful build, did not expect to make it past Hades. ||He just let me pass, which was very welcome, and HEY Persephone returns home!! That's pretty awesome||

[celest oxide]

funny fact: in mythology, the final head of the hydra is immortal

it shouldnt even be in hades

[wooden herald]

Coming right up in hades 2

[celest oxide]

the furies calling zagreus “redblood” as in insult has always been funny to me because like

why are YOU talking
you are SENTIENT TITAN BLOOD (which is red in the game!!)

friendly fire….

[trail pewter]

that is alecto's thing

aka salt incarnate

[unreal dagger]

Yeah alecto is special

[uncut adder]

Knew it.

Alecto’s Alecto but she’s so hot tho.

[unreal dagger]

She can bleed me anytime

[grizzled nebula]

So

at the very beginning of the game

why is zag trying to escape

i forgot

because it becomes trying to escape to find persephone

but what is it at the beginning

[unreal dagger]

I think hes just being a rebel teenager

"You said I cant? Watch me" type vibe

I also think is nyx trying to get us to discover the truth, without directly telling

Since she's the one that puts us in contact with athena

[uncut adder]

There's also that he wants to see the open world

[unreal dagger]

One might say charon is involved too since he put a training dummy right outside your room, they just want the queen back

[uncut adder]

^

[sour shadow]

this is the beginning

the scene where he discovers that is a flashback

right?

[grizzled nebula]

yea

that takes a while tho

[sour shadow]

nyx wouldnt have helped him as much as she did, risking contact with olympus

if zag didnt have a reason

that was before the game started

gotta be

[grizzled nebula]

man i should not have made this essay about hades i have to explain so much

[sour shadow]

like hold on

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1049683262286602352/1107464330817060934/image.png

zag literally doesnt have the mirror when he finds out about mom

that is the event that provokes his escape

[grizzled nebula]

oh

yeah

but like

why do we do it

as the player

idk wahtever

[sour shadow]

because... it's the game?

like the gameplay comes from escape attempts

so we do it

[grizzled nebula]

ig

[sour shadow]

the lore reason why zag escapes is bc he wants to reach mom since outside is where nyx told him she was

[grizzled nebula]

i am 3 pages in and i havent gotten to boons yet

im convinced i shoudl just make this about a single escape

[sour shadow]

what is the subject matter for the essay

like your thesis

[grizzled nebula]

it's like

so i'm in c&a

[sour shadow]

dunno what that is

[grizzled nebula]

and we had to do an essay about a hero's journey or virgin's promise we went through

[grizzled nebula]

composition and analysis

and like

i don't do anything

i wake up

[sour shadow]

still dunno what that is tbh

[grizzled nebula]

i sit at the computer for school

i sit at the computer for homework

i sit at the comptuer for video games

i go to b ed

thats basically my average day

im not complaining

but i dont exactly have many interesting stories about my life just yet

so we had to find 3 options

and people said hades was the best one of mine

[sour shadow]

hm

you'd probably have to go through the full game then

up to meeting mom

[grizzled nebula]

yeah but i think i either have a poorly explained essay or a too long essay

[sour shadow]

you dont need to explain mechanics really

just the story no?

[grizzled nebula]

well like

i made it more about my journey of like doing heat and speedrunning

in the concept

[sour shadow]

oh ok

[grizzled nebula]

but like

i think i could just do the nem 6:53 and narrate it as though i was zag

[sour shadow]

is it really a hero's journey though, an individual run

[grizzled nebula]

i mean'

[sour shadow]

its more the culmination of all of them right

[grizzled nebula]

i gues

[sour shadow]

the journey isn't "kill dad"

the journey is "kill dad, but like multiple times"

[grizzled nebula]

yeah

[sour shadow]

yeah

[grizzled nebula]

man

maybe the journey of resetting for a sub6

[unreal dagger]

Well the journey is actually escape the underworld, dad just happens to be in the way

You remove dad from the final chamber, our purpose is still the same

Zagreus has even asked charon to take him straight away

[sour shadow]

theoretically the true character development that progresses the relationship between mr hades and dad is in fact killing dad

thus if you define the journey as that of an emotional one rather than the ltieral physical journey through hell

(which one's development as a person reflected as that of someone playing the funny hades video game would definitely be closer to, but that's not the point)

[grizzled nebula]

i decided to do the sub6 grind

[sour shadow]

imo the real journey wasn't reaching mom, but the character developments we've made along the way

which included repeated patricide

[sour shadow]

have fun

my only experience with the hero's journey archetype has been the OSP video so you probably know more about this than i

lol

[unreal dagger]

This correct, however the only reason why we are killing him is because he's trying to stop us from what we are trying to do. We are not doing it for the sake of it

He's just an obstacle on the way, not the main reason

Is the journey about killing megaera? No, sometimes she isn't even there, we kill her because we have to

[sour shadow]

i mean you are correct, the destination is mom

[unreal dagger]

And we'll, testing after it

[sour shadow]

and the journey is to get to mom

yeah

but that journey is more about just mom

its about the relationships zag forms

its about the ones he develops

its about how he improves as a person

[unreal dagger]

That was just a bonus for story purposes

[sour shadow]

its about the friends we made along the way

and is the story not the journey?

[unreal dagger]

Eh, depends on the context

[sour shadow]

the journey of zag not only finding something to do with his life, but fixing up holes within it as well?

idk

lol

[trail pewter]

had anyone noticed the titan in the background of the first chamber you fought and got athena in the first run?

[carmine trout]

you mean the giant background prop in tartarus?

[trail pewter]

yeah that one

[carmine trout]

yeah, love it

a reminder of the nature of that place

[unreal dagger]

Chronos Easter egg, guys they teased hades 2 on release

[tribal sky]

So who here is a hades story liker

Who likes Hypnos?

I know I do

[main flint]

Not me

[unreal dagger]

Define like

[rancid orbit]

without out a doubt

by far

my most

hated character

no, I don't want you to remind me that I died to a spike trap, go back to sleep

[safe cairn]

I like him about as much as Than

[tribal sky]

Like, in the sense that enjoy interacting with him

[grizzled nebula]

i am a big fan of his tips for success

very helpful guy

[unreal dagger]

Just don't die to traps, bros just pointing out your skill issue

Getting him the autograph was probably one of the most satisfying moments

[safe cairn]

tbh that really frustrated me cause you have to die to champions on purpose and there is nothing more humiliation that dying to theseus

especially if you then get house of hades state where hypnos isn't present/ is talking to someone else so you can't trigger the required dialogue so you have to do it again

of the required sixth deaths I had to do like 10 total because of that

[tribal sky]

Cosigned because that was real.

[grizzled rose]

My friend and I were sad he was not romanceable.

He is very cute!

[grizzled nebula]

would be weird if u could romance a guy and his brother

[grim socket]

Theseus looks absolutely ridiculous in his Extreme Measures Armor and I love Supergiant for it.

[raw zinc]

yeah asterius' armor looks almost noble and then you have theseus cackling like an idiot in his macedonian with that stupid mask on. just further demonstrates the difference in respectability between them

[unreal dagger]

hypnos worth it

[unreal dagger]

unpopular opinion, em3 makes that fight easier

since no spear barrage

bombs take 3-5 business day to land, if they hit you idk what to say

[trail pewter]

i came to say that asterius' spin is hell

[shell musk]

I am not sure that's unpopular

[trail pewter]

it just makes theseus easier

[unreal dagger]

aka 50% of the fight

yeah asterius gets slightly scarier but pretty much removing theseus out of the fight is such a breeze

[zenith wedge]

Nah theseus is less than 50%

Also em3 is a pain in the ass for melee weapons but thats discussion for other channels

[raw zinc]

yeah em bosses aren't really harder except beyblade asterius and hades himself. I've still never beaten em4 hades with maxed FO on.

that spear throw man

[celest oxide]

i love how unintentionally rude he is

[raw zinc]

he's not rude so much as he's like 7 years old

"five hundred! i can't even think of a number higher than that!"

[open berry]

hes definitely not deliberately trying to be rude

a lot of people just think he is because theyve just lost a run and having him comment about it frustrates them further

[unreal dagger]

He's just doing his job, greeting you, while commenting about your death

[eternal surge]

Hey
I just beat hades for the first time and I thought that after I finished the game I could watch this video:
https://youtu.be/2y4aGe0Y-K0 (since it mentioned it'd have spoilers
||However now with there apperently being another storyline after you beat him|| I wonder wether it's fine if I watch it or if it'd be recommended to play more first

[grizzled nebula]

theres a lot more story after your first clear

[eternal surge]

Alright thx for the info :D

[rancid orbit]

Anyone else thinks Nyx ||was just mad you had feelings for Dusa and fired her ass because you're also with her son? Also, isn't it implied Zag had feelings for Than before he knew Nyx wasn't his mom? Sweet Home Alabama||

[grizzled rose]

Welcome to Greek Mythology, where everyone is everyone's cousin, and nobody cares!

||Mom says Nyx is very rule oriented, so I don't think it's malicious.||

[zenith wedge]

lol yeah

[unreal dagger]

Meg sees nyx as a mother, so we are with her daughter as well, not to mention we are like thanatos step brother

So just don't overthink it

[rancid orbit]

yeah I thought about the Meg thing too, because I actually thought that was her daughter, but wiki says otherwise

[unreal dagger]

she sees nyx as a mother figure, just like zag

[rancid orbit]

well he ACTUALLY thought Nyx was his mother for awhile

[open berry]

and in a later convo zag, in a convo with nyx, says he kinda knew it all along regardless because he didnt look anything like nyx's other children

either way nyx as a diety has always been like. more of a motherly sort of concept bc shes a primordial god

[atomic forge]

imagine the story of Hades 2 and then u get to see more family drama, this time their Grandfather Chrono is involve

the family drama is expanding

[atomic forge]

gotta keep that royal gods blood clear of any outsider am i right?

I am very curious about Fates, they have strong control of many gods fate

so far i only aware Nyx can defy fate for just one occasion

i could be missing out a lot of detail

[grizzled rose]

I think it's more that there were so many versions over such a big area (in pre-widespread communication times), and the Greeks were chill about it.

You know what they weren't chill about? Who was the dominant partner between Achilles and Patroclus. They had shipping wars over it! 😅

[atomic forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/772250944590839808.gif?size=48&name=AphroditeSticker&quality=lossless

can't wait to eventually see Thor

no wait that is wrong mythology

i consumed too much GoW

[grizzled rose]

Thor as aspect?

[atomic forge]

hell yeah

turn out Hades does allow for other mythology to crossover just like GoW with the aspect

i love it when mythology games do that, it's an epic crossover

like what Smite been doing

so much gods from so much religion

[grizzled rose]

It's fun delving into their origins and seeing how some of them spawned each other, too.

The area around the cradle has like, 5 goddesses that are the same person.

[atomic forge]

it's super fascinating how the same god such as Hades can have so many different interpretation

• Hades in this game is very strict father

• Hades in God of war is a savage monster

• Hades from Disney is quirky deviant trickster

[grizzled rose]

Hades in Greece was barely there, maybe an offshoot of Poseidon. 😅

[safe cairn]

In Age of Mythology he straight up just did nothing in any shape way or form

[atomic forge]

LMAO

[zenith wedge]

Hades in Kid icarus is hilarious (even if there is barely a resemblance to the myths lol)

[atomic forge]

despite being how scary Hades is, he pretty easy to be bully by his own son and Nyx

he have no power in the house and Zag can just mess with the house all he like lul

the only time Hades show good beating is only at the end and it doesn't related to his authority in the house

giving that Zag can beat Hades, then that mean Zag can always beat Hades to get what he want, and i don't know if Hades was even holding back even during his boss fight, or the powers during Hades boss fight is all the power that he can do

so much times Hades just threatening people like Zag and Nyx and the fact that he can't do anything to stop them make me feel like Hades actually weaker lul, he kinda like just all talk

"the pleasure-seeking Prince" - narrator

have Aphrodite poster in his bedroom

[zenith wedge]

Not fighting for whoever knows how many years would get you really rusty

Also why fight when saying your name is enough to make most souls get scared for after life

[atomic forge]

the amount of time Zag fight Hades in my noob playthrough would have Hades spend sooooo much time practicing son beating that he became good

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1030188748400508988.webp?size=48&name=YunSmuggu&quality=lossless

[atomic forge]

i love how the shades are afraid of him, but only Zag know he not that scary, and Hades told him to "Keep in down" in afraid of being embarrassed by his own son

comparing Hades and Nyx, i feel like Nyx have more power than Hades despite how he saying he is the boss in the house

[zenith wedge]

More than being embarrassed I feel it would be a massive annoyance having the shades in tart "nah we can escape" 24/7

Also Nyx is a primordial god so yeah she does have more power

But dad was give the role so

[atomic forge]

A lot of the voice acting in Hades was so good in the subtle way they pause and sniff in with there nose, i can imagine the body language they maybe doing during those voices

"Uhhh erm" - the narrator after snitching secret by accident

the narrator slipped up is the most funniest dialog in the game so far for me

[tribal sky]

I like that hades lol

[atomic forge]

@grizzled rose
"A certain kind of love, for family?..." - Aphrodite

yes, Zag really love his family member named Thanos

[zenith wedge]

Thanos the best greek deity

[carmine trout]

perhaps even Thanatos

[atomic forge]

oh wait i got the wrong name, it's Thanatos, not Thanos! GOD DAMN IT MARVEL!! YOU RUINED ME!!!

[grizzled rose]

Alls fair in love and war, as they say!

[atomic forge]

Aphrodite is MARRIED???? NOOOOOOOO!!!

[night abyss]

Not like Aphrodite cares

[carmine trout]

or any greek deity, for that matter

[unreal dagger]

Yes, to me of course

[trail pewter]

bro is tempting fate or gonna end up in a net

[tribal sky]

I fall to my knees, shaking my fists at the sky with loud, ugly sobs.

[atomic forge]

so true

[tribal sky]

Welcome to hades where you can try to rizz up people that are married/divorced

I will say, I love the ambiguity of Achilles' rejection, masterfully executed.

[atomic forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/772250944590839808.gif?size=48&name=AphroditeSticker&quality=lossless

[frozen jolt]

Please keep it clean, thank you

[atomic forge]

ah sorry

[tribal sky]

So you know how Zag calmly walks out of the Pool of Styx after you die after the first time in-game?

One thing I wanna ask SGG at the next Q-and-A (should there be a next one) was how Zagreus discovered his respawning abilities.

[sour shadow]

i'd assume someone told him

[tribal sky]

What I personally interpreted when I first started the game, was that our first run/tutorial wasn't his first time in general

[sour shadow]

or he'd figure that the pool that all the dead people come out of is where he'd come if he died

his dad runs the place after all

[tribal sky]

True!

For me, I just thought he got killed in Tartarus the first time or hopped out of the courtyard window wrong and sort of rose from the styx freaking out

Before realizing that he was in the hall and causing a scene

[zenith wedge]

Dad prob told him enough times that he can't die probably

That or Achilles

[tribal sky]

Achilles told him or... told him

Like during training and he dies during

[safe cairn]

when he dies on first run he does say "I'm...home?" in kind of surprised tone though

[zenith wedge]

I always interpreted it as awkward hello

[tribal sky]

"Hello father, just going out to disrupt order, love you! ☺️"

That could be ||after the banquet|| when he says that.

[carmine trout]

Zagreus probably knows he's immortal but maybe doesn't know how exactly that immortality works. if he's surprised to be home after his first death, it might be that he was just told Styx would bring him back but not how and where, for example.

another option is that he's disoriented in the first few minutes, it's not uncommon for humans to be disoriented even after sleep, what's left for gods after death. his neurons might still be reassembling in those seconds when he walks out of the pool, for all we know

[grizzled nebula]

zag has no neurons

it's all just lighter fluid

[tribal sky]

So that's what's keeping his feet so hot and glowy

[atomic forge]

i am wondering if Melinoe, Zag's sister, were born alongside Zag or born after Zag, because Hades 1 make it look like Melinoe doesn't exist

if Melinoe born after Zag, then she probably wouldn't share the same fate of bound to the underworld the same as Zag is

[carmine trout]

more of a discussion for #h2-discussion , isn't it

[raw zinc]

guessing she's born after the events of hades 1. and yeah being outside doesn't seem to bother her, although that could be hecate

[atomic forge]

oh, i didn't know it exist

[tribal sky]

I don't know if it was intentional or not, but I really see the accuracy in portraying a dysfunctional family dynamic with how Megaera and Thanatos see it

Hades is, well, their boss. They do what he orders them to. Megaera is antagonistic toward Zagreus for a multitude of reasons and I understand why.

But in the case of Thanatos, while it frustrates me, is where it really shines

[civic raptor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423540667726168064/1111275427340763136/Screenshot_2023-05-25_145120.png run 200-ish and there are still interesting convos to be had 👀
(He asks Patroclus about the close relationship between Theseus and Asterius)

[tribal sky]

Now, I have personal experience in not having the best relationship with my dad. Unfortunately, without immortality or a vast support system like Zagreus has, I'm not counting on the fact that our relationship will improve anytime soon

[civic raptor]

I can say that from very late game, Hades occasionally does give Zag praise and voices his respect and even support

[tribal sky]

But it makes me curious how much the other characters know about the extent of Zagreus's frustrations, resentment and bitterness towards Hades

[civic raptor]

feel ya

[civic raptor]

oh! I have to show you something a fan made

on the very topic

[civic raptor]

(not me tho). I shared it before in another channel

[tribal sky]

Thanatos still helps, but is ultimately hurt by how we never said goodbye

[civic raptor]

which is very valid imo

[civic raptor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8T8wSFqcE

This conversation between Persephone and Zag

[carmine trout]

worth noting that both Thanatos and Megaera are older than Zagreus and as a result they have more nuanced and profound understanding of relationships of various kinds

[civic raptor]

"Do you hate him?"
"He made me try"

[carmine trout]

Zag feels like a guy fresh out of school trying to handle adulthood, while Than and Meg are like...in their 30s or sth

i mean their behavior compares to humans in their 30s

[tribal sky]

Yup, I see that

[tribal sky]

It is very valid, and I headcanon that it comes from some discontentment towards himself and how Zagreus and Hades's relationship is out of his control? Idk I wish I had the words

[civic raptor]

or also like generational trauma. See what kind of relationship Hades (and his brothers) had for a relationship with their dad father

[carmine trout]

hades 2 might shine some more light on that

[civic raptor]

yeah!

Sometimes I think he doesn't know how to be a better parent because he was never shown how to

(at least in the beginning, because he does learn but yeah)

[tribal sky]

But I still think about it

How much do the other house servants know?

Dusa knows that Nyx and Hades are to be feared (as they should)

Hypnos just thought that Zagreus was mad about getting fired

Thanatos and Megaera... Oh

[carmine trout]

know what?

[tribal sky]

About how deep it goes

[carmine trout]

still cryptic

[tribal sky]

Which I like! A lot

But even so, it still stings

[carmine trout]

i meant that i still don't understand what you're alluding to

[tribal sky]

Zagreus was reckless, sure, I will say that. He risked Persephone's safety, there's no denying that. But wanting to escape from an environment that has taken its toll on you, I

I kinda relate to that, like, a lot

And I knew that there would be some degree of opposition, but some of the dialogue, it's so perfectly executed in a way that makes me frustrated

Primarily the "You don't know how good you've had it" line

I saw both sides eventually, but jeez

[rancid orbit]

Yeah all of these parallels are intentional, it's ultimately a coming of age tale that also happens to be about immortal gods.

I enjoy the quality moments in the game, and some of the conversations touched me, but ultimately I think the story was a bit cliched, and I hope part two takes more risks with the overall story. Zag is likable but he couldn't be more generic and predictable. He's basically every anime protagonist

[tribal sky]

not an opinion I agree with, but I admire what you said!

(genuinely, I don't want that to sound facetious.)

[rancid orbit]

its probably an unfair assessment, me being older and sympathizing more with the "older" gods in the house (and even Hades to an extent)

[tribal sky]

I get that, the story has made it clear that his job isn't easy

[rancid orbit]

well I think it's that inner turmoil to "do more" that there's more out there, which sometimes causes us to ignore the responsibilities we already have at home. That might not be as glamorous or exciting, but are still just as important

just so happens what he has calling him out there IS genuinely important, (his mother) lucky for him

[tribal sky]

oh i getcha now

[toxic shadow]

Do you guys start a new save file just to rewatch the story and those awesome vocie acting?

[half arch]

yeah i did that and i dont regret it

[toxic shadow]

Sometimes I bought something from the Contractor on impulse before noticing that Hades was not in the House, which means I missed out some of his sarcastic comments.

[safe cairn]

you can quit a restart, game is only saved once you exit/enter room so you could cancel the purchase that way

but the comments are usually generic, only some items have a specific comment

I did start a new save recently where I lose a ton on purpose to prolong the main story, on my main playthrough I had like 150 runs but had seen credits around 40 runs in, now I'm 60+ runs in and haven't seen the credits yet and I'm definetly seeing conversations I never saw before

[rancid orbit]

I can't imagine what the faces of the VA's looked like when they were given their scripts.

https://tenor.com/view/intuit-giant-taxes-intuit-giant-taxes-taxes-due-paperwork-gif-13593673

[toxic shadow]

I learned more new English vocabulary from this game more than from all other roguelike games I've ever played combined lol.

I tried to play the translated version, but unfortunately too much nuance is lost through translation.

[toxic shadow]

Quick question: After ||Z's mom went back to House||, what's the reason of death of Z everytime he ||defeats Hades||? I thought it's because he ||naturally cannot stay long on surface||. But sometimes the narrator says he ||dies from falling off a cliff|| or something lol.

[unreal dagger]

We had those funny lines before mom even existed in the game, I guess they just kept them for the funny, after all, he cannot stay up there for long anyway

[main flint]

Falling off a cliff still counts as natural causes technically lol

[unreal dagger]

Well yes if he yeets himself off a cliff before his normal death

[austere furnace]

That dangerous pollen

[grizzled rose]

Snakes are our friends! Butterflies are the evil ones!

Oh, hey there little surface friend...

[tribal sky]

I wanna come back to this (positively), how did Zag first strike you as a cliche protagonist