I was asking for the general god of sun, and Helios is the OG while Apollo is the more…popular version I think
#h1-story-discussion
obtuse breach
Yeah I know
And music
And other stuff
What’s wrong with old af
We have literal Chaos
well that’s fair ig
I don’t see why not
Actually I shall make a habit of doing so since it is not incorrect
Yeah….
Hush, we have a gay god already
Wouldn’t hurt to have more though
sand bolt
Obligatory “Artemis is actually ace”
keen inlet
I have a Skelly related question
he's asked me to kill him. I have enough titan blood to upgrade the sword, but I haven't revealed his last statue yet, and I don't feel ready for a 32 heat run right now
so should I save killing for later?
gloomy hound
theres no evidence shes lesbian
in any myth
and in one myth when gods ask to marry her she starts crying and then begs zeus to make it so she wouldnt ever have to marry anyone
and she was only ever was in one romantic relaitonship with a guy she knew for years before
like
is there any evidence
theres a ton that she didnt have sexual attraction
and she was even in a relationship with a guy
sorry
had romantic attraction
according to the oldest version of that myth
in some versions she doesnt but apollo thinks she does
and in some versions she does
no
and even some versions including the orgional supporting this is more than
so
she doesnt want to have any sexual relations
and in some versions of a myth she has romantic feelings for a guy shes known for years
the thing about greek myths is that theres so much stuff not in character
since it was made over thousands of years with no offical canon
so all myths support her not having sexual attraction which is cleary ace, some support her having romantic feelings for a guy shes known for years (which i think is demi) but in other versions no
none of that shows shes a lesbian, unless theres myths i dont know about
and it actually goes against that
manic wave
I figure she's ace with Orion being an exception
Lots of people have exceptions in their sexualities
night abyss
Demiromantic asexual or aroace are the only ones with any textual support afaik
sand bolt
Artemis would so disapprove of this conversation
night abyss
Yes
obtuse breach
What is the reference of the unlocking phrase for the hidden aspect of the spear?
I get the ones for sword and bow
sand bolt
Reference?
Guan Yu is from the Chinese three kingdoms mythology/history
Presumably he’s associated with the crimson phoenix
obtuse breach
Presumably he’s associated with the crimson phoenix
yeah but...in what way?
||Caliber line "kingly depart from prison of stone" refer to how he got the sword in the tale||
||Rama's "drawn from the seventh avatar" refer to the Hinduism god Rama, is the seventh avatar of Vishnu||
And I don't think there's any reference to Guan Yu and Crimson Phoenix in three kingdom tales nor history
(well, unless there's some translation stuff....I read though in Chinese for og experence)
sand bolt
Damn your google fu is better than mine
I looked hard for that
Was it in the wiki article?
No wonder
I quoted it and the wiki article was first result but I searched in page and didn’t find lol
But I didn’t open the tabs
Trur
What’s the phrase again
It’s about Gilgamesh from I think hindu epics?
Nope Akkadian
Warrior king who had a beast man bestie
So… obvious parallels to asterius and Theseus
It just says to stop him from oppressing
Not kill
Tbh
Why bouldy? Hindu epics are a thing smh
Bhagavad gita, Mahabharata
Shut
How it feels to play Rama bow
abstract swan
Is there special scripting for if you kill [redacted] on the very first run?
odd dawn
I love that bit of dialogue where dionysus tells zagreus to makes something up about them being connected
odd dawn
my sister is obsessed with greek mythology as a whole so I hear a lot about it
How do I know whether i've screwed up romancing meg?
i feel like i have but i don't remember doing it
fathom knot
How do I know whether i've screwed up romancing meg?
Whether or not you denied her
at one point you get a choice
odd dawn
i don't remember whether I have or not tho
i've got relationship maxed out
and the compainion
fathom knot
If you ever see her standing in the lounge with a heart over her head you’ll know you accepted
fathom knot
If relationship is maxed you either accepted or didn’t
Or you haven’t got the option yet
fathom knot
Hades rng dialogue moment
odd dawn
took me till the epilogue to unlock my first hidden aspect
fathom knot
You only get the choice one btw
odd dawn
yep, i don't remember it happening, maybe it's still waiting
atomic forge
Whether or not you denied her
what happens if u dont accept meg like choosing the back off option
dialogue must've been awkward
fathom knot
I don’t know
sand bolt
They used to date so
I don’t think it would be that awkward for zag to not want to try again
crystal cedar
hello! i had a question, after gifting thanatos the last ambrosia does he appear in zagreus' room right after or does it happen another random time
obtuse breach
"You wouldn't be here without Olympians"
——said Hades after summoning adds three times, healing fives times, creating terrain traps eight times and blocking your view with darkness
fathom knot
Whats the boonless heat record pact look like 🤔
Because I think boonless heat record was definitely 50+
Lc4 and ri4 
fathom knot
Mods
fathom knot
PL past 1 wouldn’t matter
obtuse breach
oh so.....they are just free heat
broken spear user is gonna be demolished
I get a +3 heal per chamber and he have the ability for unlimited combat heal
fathom knot
He’s also a god
obtuse breach
then where is mine healing
obtuse breach
both nerfs your general health
fathom knot
Stubborn roots /j
atomic forge
why does hades hate poseidon
fathom knot
Because Zag keeps asking if Pos has control over the styx
/other waters in Hades
Jk I don’t really know
sand bolt
He hates all of his brothers because they didn’t get stuck with the underworld
And in it
And he did
fathom knot
how did they even decide who gets which part of the world
They drew lots
Hades kinda got shafted by rng
Iirc
night abyss
Especially since the first choice of domain was his by birthright.
night abyss
Mhm
fathom knot
wait hes the oldest?
Yes 
atomic forge
shouldnt oldest brother be the strongest?
why is he often called the third borther or stated the last after zeus and poseidon
fathom knot
shouldnt oldest brother be the strongest?
Not necessarily
atomic forge
fr???
zealous jolt
One of the other few being Thanatos, the god of peaceful death
fathom knot
Completing their favours
cold oxide
I completed Aphrodite's
Should I be able to unlock hers when I find her boon randomly?
fathom knot
So just hoping you get it when talking to her?
Yup
cold oxide
I actually do like that, might be on my own there
I think it's nice how much dialogue and story there is to the game
cold oxide
Anyone know why I'm unable to unlock Aphrodite's last heart? I completed her favor and have been able to give amberosia to people before
And yes, I do have ambrosia.
fathom knot
Anyone know why I'm unable to unlock Aphrodite's last heart? I completed her fav...
Completing her favour would’ve unlocked the last heart
“Aphrodite's favor requires Zagreus to illustrate his capacity for love, both platonically and passionately, by forging bonds with Dusa, Thanatos and Megaera (you will trigger 1 dialogue with the goddess for each bond you forge with them and a 4th one to actually get the favor).”
cold oxide
Yeah my b
cold oxide
Do you get better with the lyre by just using it continuously and practicing with Orpheus whenever I'm able?
yeesh
alright lol
can I get my 200 uses before I've talked to Orpheus all 3 times with the lyre dialogue?
cold oxide
Does an impenetrable bond with a god, specifically artemis in this situation give me any kind of buff or special thing?
sand bolt
Nope
You get the chibi icon in the keepsake box though which is cute
Having certain bonds does something
In the sense that it’s a requirement for some favors
But no gameplay impact
fathom knot
Does an impenetrable bond with a god, specifically artemis in this situation giv...
Only gives chibi
open berry
can I get my 200 uses before I've talked to Orpheus all 3 times with the lyre di...
yes but you will still need to get the progression dialogue for each stage so you need to do additional runs anyway. honestly its better to just interact with it between runs and not worry about it too much rather than sit there spamming it and hoping you did it enough times
sand bolt
^
Especially with that horrible delay between interacting
Just hit it 5 times or something every time you run through your room for a new run
It’ll be done before you know it
inner hamlet
Ahhh I found Eurydice and Orpheus singing in the blood and I was so happy
sand bolt
It’s lit
cold oxide
Can anyone tell me what enemy I'm missing in the Minor Prophecy "Wanton Ransacking" ? It's directly under dire soul catcher and above dire snakestone
If you dm me I can send a screenshot so it's easier to see where it is in the list
I don't have image perms
I'd of already done it if I could
..?
How do I attach the image to a link
I could reinstall gyazo I guess
sand bolt
Just make your own discord
And post the image
Then copy the media link
Or DM it to someone and do the same etc
cold oxide
Oh, I didn't know what that meant. alright hold on
cold oxide
If you romance multiple characters at once, assuming you can, is there some sort of downside to it?
frozen jolt
no
worn flower
Nope
cold oxide
Anyone know why I haven't gotten the than dialogue that unlocks his hearts yet? I've beaten him plenty of times in his approaches and I hardly get to talk to him before he leaves let alone getting the right dialogue
zenith wedge
Rng basically
sand bolt
I believe you talk to him at home for that
sand bolt
He sleeps while you’re not playing
atomic forge
what if i pause the game in the middle of a run and quit?
does he sleep in the chambers in peace with the wretched shades?
or does he start acting real sus with them
stone comet
Hes probably sleeping
night abyss
His reality doesn't continue while the game is closed, so nothing happens
light summit
why wont zagreus ever rest after once or twice
Greek Gods have no need for sleep. They can sleep, but most of the time it's because they were tricked or induced by something, such as when Hera tricked Hypnos to put Zeus to sleep on two separate occasions.
atomic forge
but in the game zagreus sneaks out at night to go into hades' drawers?
the whole place is asleep
was
zenith wedge
that was hypnos doing iirc
atomic forge
do the gods know when u replace their boon with another god's boon
fathom knot
Probably as much as they would know about you purging a boon
atomic forge
so do they know?
violet mulch
in-game very likely yes although I doubt you'd get any dialogue over it
in mythology? Probably no, the fact that you can "trick" the gods or the gods themselves being tricksters shows that they are not all knowing and all powerful
sand bolt
When you replace zag says something like “soandso won’t mind”
atomic forge
lmao
knotty cradle
why wont zagreus ever rest after once or twice
He did after his first couple runs, the thing triggering the cutscene where he finds Persephone’s letter is him going to sleep
south gorge
Why do several characters point out that Zag bleeding red is odd, if all the gods we see die (the Furies and Hades) also die in red blood?
fathom knot
I don't remember seeing the furies bleed
south gorge
Looks exactly like blood to me, right when they die. They don't explode into blood after that, but I can't see the start of the animation being anything else
It's very distinct from the fragments they disperse into afterwards
sand bolt
Hydra does the same thing and theoretically has no blood
That said, the furies are descended from the titans which is part of why they drop titans blood
And it’s red
Sooooo… Alecto is a hypocrite
narrow walrus
hydra explodes into lava
sand bolt
🧠
atomic forge
does everyone who dies in the underworld get revived in that blood pool that zagreus comes out of?
if so y do u never see alecto and tisiphone and theseus in the house
light summit
I assume the souls whose original residence is on Elysium simply revives right there
or rather, same goes with Tartarus and Asphodel
light summit
Sooooo… Alecto is a hypocrite
but zeus and other gods are also direct descendants of the titans so I'm pretty sure that's not the reason
sand bolt
They don’t bleed at all presumably
light summit
they do bleed, their blood is golden ichor and is toxic to mortals
sand bolt
Yum
light summit
I think the reason for the game's visuals is just for aesthetic reasons
perhaps they tried using the golden ichor instead but scrapped that idea, maybe because it looked like a burst of urine or something
sand bolt
ALSO YUM
rotund sleet
rest in piss, quite literally
carmine trout
yesterday while searching for some Hades art, i glimpsed that maybe Eris the goddess makes an appearance in the game?
does she?
carmine trout
easy to fix
frozen jolt
https://twitter.com/Bloodwrit/status/1323735887339954176?s=20 i found the source of it, op used to make cool hades fanart!
frozen jolt
hi nice to see you here 
carmine trout
yeah, i finally decided i've advanced the plot enough to not be afraid of spoilers
so i unmuted the server
blazing coral
guys, if zagreus was born of two gods, that means he is a god, but of what?
carmine trout
blood
nova carbon
speedrunning hell
sly verge
if so y do u never see alecto and tisiphone and theseus in the house
you might not notice it but alecto and tisiphone explode into bats instead of sinking like meg
it was mentioned ingame somewhere that they're not wanted in the house
tulip plover
guys, if zagreus was born of two gods, that means he is a god, but of what?
persephone is a demigod
blazing coral
persephone is a demigod
Isn't she daughter of demeter and zeus?
magic osprey
hades doesnt come directly from greek mythology, it has its own lore thats heavily based off mythology
zagreus doesnt even exist in greek mythology if i remember correctly
tulip plover
zagreus doesnt even exist in greek mythology if i remember correctly
he is only mentioned once in greek myth and it just says his name and no other context
open berry
• Aeschylus, Fragments - Greek Tragedy C5th B.C. • Diodorus Siculus, The Library of History - Greek History C1st B.C. • Pausanias, Description of Greece - Greek Travelogue C2nd A.D. • The Orphic Hymns - Greek Hymns C3rd B.C. - C2nd A.D. • Clement, Exhortation to the Greeks - Christian Scholar C2nd A.D. • Nonnus, Dionysiaca - Greek Epic C5th A.D.
def mentioned more than once in myth
remember mythos is a wide collection of stories that were largely told orally and not like. one sole version of any one story
blazing coral
Guys guys, bouldy is a god, change my mind
fathom knot
No
brazen iris
Guys guys, bouldy is a god, change my mind
It's a companion boulder. Like a ball from the movie Cast Away with Tom Hanks.
atomic nacelle
blazing coral
I agree
night abyss
He's not just a boulder, he's a rock!
wanton shore
Bouldy can beat hades
zinc bay
Bouldy can beat hades
Just drop it on him from up high
atomic forge
zagreus doesnt even exist in greek mythology if i remember correctly
zagreus is mentioned a couple of times, he's either the first god of wine who was killed by the titans and reincarnated as dionysus, or son of zeus and persephone
wanton shore
Zeus and Persephone were originally married?
atomic forge
ofc ofc how could i forget
atomic forge
Zeus and Persephone were originally married?
in some traditions yea, but these are usually earlier accounts and not very common, usually zeus is with demeter and persephone is their daughter
same for the zagreus bits if the bit wasnt obvious lol , he's mentioned in a couple of places, but there's no solid consesnus, the orpheus gaslighting was the devs incorporating that
open berry
remember mythos is a wide collection of stories that were largely told orally an...
gently taps the sign
there are many variations to stories in mythos, there isnt any single version of a story that is like. more true or original than another or anything. so you get things such as certain gods sometimes having different parentage
honestly checking the known references to zag's parentage, most of the accounts of zagreus has him as an offspring of zeus and perse, while him being an offspring of hades is only mentioned in aeschylus fragment 124
obviously supergiant picked this route so it would be easier to sidestep certain implications in the bloodline, and also because there was so little information it was essentially a blank slate to write their own story upon
though i will say in the nonnus dionysiaca zag was said to be a horned child and i think supergiant missed a great chance to give zag horns
does he need them, i mean not really, but are horns cool 
absolutely
ashen anvil
zagreus is mentioned a couple of times, he's either the first god of wine who wa...
He is also seen as Hades' son or Hades himself
atomic forge
He is also seen as Hades' son or Hades himself
true
ashen anvil
from what I understand the one that sees him as Zeus and Persephone's son is the Orphic mythology
where he was killed by the titans then Zeus swallowed his heart and that's where Dionysus comes from
although I prefer the other versions, and I think they are older too
open berry
from what I understand the one that sees him as Zeus and Persephone's son is the...
theoi is pretty good about sourcing their references, there is definitely more than one piece of ancient sourcing that viewed zag as a son of zeus and perse, including the orphic hymns, the nonnus dionysiaca and a few other sources. the related quotes referencing these bits can be read scrolling further down the page, along with a bibliography of everything the site uses as reference https://www.theoi.com/Georgikos/Zagreus.html
i dont like the idea of this parentage of course but there is definitely a bit more out there about zag than people claim
fossil minnow
I'm at a point in the story where ||Persephone is telling me not to come back, but Zagreus is still going it at regardless,|| I've heard that people have tried "no-boons" runs, so I'm trying to do that (||off the RP presumption that the olympian gods are using those boons to track me||) but am getting forced into rooms with boons that require me to pick up the boon in order to progress, is there a way to leave the room without picking them up?
narrow walrus
nope
sand bolt
Nope
You don’t need to go boonless but you can and you get a unique dialogue at final boss
sand bolt
Would suggest being lucky and getting the sack without needing to take a boon tunnel
Cuz fauthority only rarely rolls away from boons on those
fossil minnow
didnt have any fated authority by that point
sand bolt
Shouldn’t need to use any of them before Styx
fossil minnow
tried doing all the boon tunnels then hoping for a pool of purging in the remaining ones, didnt work out
sand bolt
Can sell 3 boons at the wells after bosses
sand bolt
tried doing all the boon tunnels then hoping for a pool of purging in the remain...
Yeah this is the hardest part of boonless
Just hope for 2 sack lol
Also fill your pool with 4 gods otherwise the Styx tunnels will have even more boobs than normal
Boons smh
silent merlin
I wonder what's happening to zagreus is he taking over the role of helping the underworld while his sister goes off and fight to bring back their dad could be interesting
somber estuary
Taking bets on the name of the main character and their partner in the trailer. I'm hedging my bets on ||Macaria as main character and Melinoe as the supporting.||
sand bolt
Why bet on something that is specified in #hades2-faq
somber estuary
oOH GIMME
Looks like I was backwards.
My sense of aesthetics is contrary to Supergiant's team it would seem. STILL. Very nice.
Do they mention who the supporting character who was training them is anywhere?
sand bolt
The website at the top of the faq mentions Hecate
empty violet
mostlikely hecate because her moves seem very magic like
plus in one of the parts of the trailer their is mention of magick instead of magic which was commonly ascosiated with hecate
ruby schooner
it is hecate, i believe
half slate
Sadge
wind remnant
||mother came back|| how much more story is there? I’ve done like 50 clears, bumping up against heat levels that I’m struggling with now and having trouble progressing the story at all
sand bolt
You should have a prophecy called The Queen’s Plan or something
There’s an epilogue if you do the stuff in that prophecy
Namely you need to max a handful of NPC hearts out
wind remnant
Ah. Is there a way to see which gods I have earned favour from?
somber estuary
The website at the top of the faq mentions Hecate
Oh dang, okay, so they're going that route with Melinoe and Hecate are not the same person but two very interconnected entities, interesting.
Well... I just hope the other siblings get to appear in the game.
wind remnant
I killed ||charon|| twice which I vaguely remember to be a ||quest|| from one of the gods
somber estuary
I guess I should stop making predictions only to immediately learn new information that proves me incorrect.
Cheers y'all, can't wait.
sand bolt
Ah. Is there a way to see which gods I have earned favour from?
Codex
If the last heart has a keyhole then you haven’t done the favour yet
wind remnant
Ah ok
opal kraken
So one question? Are their other realms in this setting?
Since you get the aspect of lucifer and Zeus mentions him once
timber thistle
well I guess it's intentionally vague like god of war since the hidden aspects are all from different religions
timber thistle
they were once religions
arthur has once been part of the christian religion tho. His story has always been synonymous with christianity
Oh I didnt know this
but the rest were stories from religious myths
doesnt divorce it from christianity
christianity wasnt in roman culture before, but they still adopted it later
that depends tho. If churches now slowly added constantine to their stories, then yes in a while, he would absolutely be part of christianity
but specifically in this case, people prayed and believed in arthurs return
sand bolt
🤔
timber thistle
I would argue, there is some religious appeal to him even before his addition to christianity
got me there
I concede
timber thistle
I dont know much about the story of gilgamesh , I admit but isnt he a legendary hero who almost took up divinity
sand bolt
No that’s what I said you said
timber thistle
enkidu is totally non-homo bestie of gilgamesh
sand bolt
Yeah that
timber thistle
the only major story we know about them is their friendship
sand bolt
Gilga used enkidus claws after he died or something ig
timber thistle
so I think theres a bit of ehh there
and afaik, lucifer didnt have a semi auto with rockets
sand bolt
Did so it’s right in the Bible
timber thistle
ahh i see
sand bolt
Second amendment
narrow walrus
and afaik, lucifer didnt have a semi auto with rockets
that’s why you can’t get rocket bomb with luci duh
fathom knot
and afaik, lucifer didnt have a semi auto with rockets
Lucifer doesn’t have a semiauto with rockets
He has a laser beam and pulsing bombs
It’s right there in Revelations
ember palm
this just occurred to me
do the boons offer a one way video call as well as the voice thing
how else would zag learn what the olympians look like
timber thistle
stories and paintings
basically every legendary storyteller and painter prolly went through house of tartarus
vapid thorn
sand bolt
how else would zag learn what the olympians look like
It’s a two way video call but because of Nyx’s power of darkness protecting Zag, the Olympians can only see him when he’s interacting with their boons
And not all that clearly even then
ember palm
Ah now i remember
glad star
I can't proceed with Sisyphus for a while now
all I get from him when I meet him is simple phrases
how can I give him ambrosia?
sand bolt
Gift bouldy nectar at least once I think
And talk to bouldy
And I think you have to free Sisyphus? I don’t remember 😦
glad star
I gifted all nectars already
also, when giving invitations to the Gods Zagreus says he wants to invite Chaos too, but when I meet Chaos in next run Zagreus doesn't invite him
why?
what does Zag mean by that?
https://i.imgur.com/YkDq7O1.png
they technically didn't lie
glad star
hm, the gods party was a bit underwhelming
I expected for zag to have scenes with all the gods
some interesting conversations could be made there
but all we got is a short scene with zeus and hades
sand bolt
They lied about Persephone being cursed by pomegranate seeds and having to stay in the underworld part time
glad star
seems like a very cute lie at best
them not telling about zag dying at birth and persephone being outside of underworld for like 20 years until she returned again seems like a more important detail
also the involvement of zeus in persephone's first run into the underworld
sand bolt
Well, Demeter basically doesn’t care because Persephone agreed to be in her life again
And she’s the only one who really would have been mad about all of that anyway
So everyone is happy with this solution
glad star
btw, can someone refresh my memory
did the game shed more light on how zeus was involved in sending persephone to hades?
and is he her father like in the mythos?
sand bolt
If not for the pomegranate lie, Persephone would have been back on Olympus all the time
Persephone’s father in game is a mortal farmer according to Demeter
And according to Hades, Zeus knew Persephone wanted to leave Olympus and that hades liked her
So he just
Took her to the underworld
Without asking
glad star
right
basically kidnapped her
sand bolt
Yes
I think Persephone defends Zeus for that because she didn’t want to be on Olympus anyway
But it’s part of why hades is angry at Zeus
glad star
true
it was stated that zag's soul is bound to the underworld much like his father's and thus his body doesn't last long outside of it
so same thing thing would happen if hades tried to be outside?
but isn't zeus, hades and poseidon chose randomly who will reign on what?
zeus earned the sky, poseidon the seas and hades the underworld
if the soul of hades is bound to the underworld, then the souls of zeus and poseidon are bound to their territories as well, like sky and seas
how then zeus and poseidon were able to go to the party in the underworld? shouldn't they not be able to do that?
sand bolt
it was stated that zag's soul is bound to the underworld much like his father's ...
They aren’t bound like he is
The underworld is a special place
glad star
poor hades
why he even agreed to this, lmao
past gorge
How do you get to the underworld party?
atomic forge
max hearts on every god
glad star
I don't think it's even that
I still need to give ambrosia to few
sand bolt
It’s max a certain number of them
5 or 6 idk
Demeter doesn’t need to be maxed to count
You should have a prophecy called the queens plan
It tells you what to do for the party
Basically
south gorge
Does Theseus have a full substory with bringing the Yarn of Ariadne to him a bunch of times, or is it just like 2-3 modified intros?
Same question for doing Mirror-less runs for Meg
open berry
I don't recall offhand but i want to say there's just one or two mirrorless comments and about four or so yarn commentary
sand raft
stiff tapir
does anyone other than nyx know that chaos is helping zag or know they are still alive?
fathom knot
Pretty sure the answer is no afaik
sly verge
does anyone other than nyx know that chaos is helping zag or know they are still...
ares worships chaos (but he doesn't understand what he's worshipping very well)
and if ares worships them it's likely that others know he's alive, but i don't think they'd know for sure
glad star
Damn
I didn't know I need to interact with bouldy
crude wigeon
I already have 1 key, should i save it and get a better wepon or get the bow?
crude wigeon
i just got nector for the first time ever who do ya recon i should give it to?
grand rock
I wonder if there is a hint in Hades1 to link the story with the upcoming hades2
wanton shore
I dont think there is
Zagreus didnt ever mention his sister in the game
And there is nothing about titans i think
frosty vortex
i think it's just sgg's interpretation of what happened first, the birth of zag or the birth of melinoe
finite ridge
question
if nemesis is depicted with the sword in the reveal trailer then what does that mean for zagreus
i thought that the infernal arms were only one of each and manifested themselves differently depending on who had it
and if nemesis has the aspect of nemesis in the current moment then that means zagreus doesnt have the sword
spark pelican
I think that the aspect of nemesis is worn on Zag's sword, not that they would share Stygius!
Like for example you can fight Hades with Varatha using aspect of Hades
shadow glacier
His spear isn't Varatha, though; it's named Gigaros
minor badge
yeah theres only one of each infernal arm
zag got his sword SNATCHED
especially funny bc its his signature weapon lol
timber thistle
I like to think Zags signature weapon is lucifer’s aspect since both of them want to leave hell but cant
Also its pretty funny that Zagreus’ entire job is pointless cuz beings from hell cannot exist outside the underworld anyway if theyre like him
crude wigeon
what wepon do u guys main?
timber thistle
Paradise lost
crude wigeon
is it possible to do with fists? and are fists good?
sand bolt
No, nobody has ever beaten the game with fists
angel came close but died in hades fight
crude wigeon
oh ok
crude wigeon
wait so should i not use fists then?
sand bolt
Idk man, they’re in the game
So
I guess maybe the devs intended for us to use them sometimes
fathom knot
wait so should i not use fists then?
Use them if you want
fathom knot
is it possible to do with fists? and are fists good?
“Is it possible to do with fists?”
If you mean to escape the game with fists, very much so
fathom knot
Demeter > zagreus > talos and gilgamesh
tame goblet
“Is it possible to do with fists?”
If you mean to escape the game with fists, v...
“Just punch em’ in the face!”
glad star
what wepon do u guys main?
Rail, fists and sword
vagrant osprey
what wepon do u guys main?
spear. just got the game tho
crude wigeon
does anyone want to vc and play at the same time?
vapid ore
what wepon do u guys main?
Spear gang
Though the rest are generally are fun to play too
hidden plume
hey how do i know if meg has asked me for a favour?
frozen jolt
"favor" is more of a nickname for the thing that unlocks hearts, they dont really ask for anything. in megs case its just rng as the game goes on iirc
night abyss
Where did sgg get the name asterius? Was it in the mythos somewhere or did they give it to him as a cow pun?
night abyss
Apparently crete called him asterion and IG sgg thought asterios sounded better?
tight tinsel
what wepon do u guys main?
Zag aspect fists + lambent plume
Infinite dodge
wraith marsh
I think they used asterius because it’s also highly used in the myths. There was a giant with that name along with a king who was the grandson of Gaia I believe? Still a super cool name
tight tinsel
What's the ambrosia requirement for artemis?
sand bolt
Conversation with her about hunting with her bestie
crude wigeon
i havnt beat the final boss yet, but i have both baowulf and author. Which should i use of these two?
violet stag
I get that like, Temple of Styx and all is supposed to be spoiler content, but I've always been really annoyed by how people here, the Hades subreddit, and YouTube flip out anytime people don't say [REDACTED] like, the game is called Hades, Hades is the god of the underworld, and Hades is the one sending everyone you fight through the whole game who would ever expect any other entity to be the final boss
Other than him I understand spoilers cuz there's a deep plot n all but god people get the most obnoxious over that one thing and it's the least sensible of any
Like sure don't just ping someone who's just started and shout HEY HADES IS THE FINAL BOSS but I mean
Do you really think more than 10% of players wouldn't assume so right away?
carmine trout
does it hurt to be considerate though
i wonder how many people know the greek myths well
crude wigeon
how do you get the lyre for the music fate thing? because the option to have the work guy make it isnt there
vagrant reef
Who are the codex entries written from the perspective of?
carmine trout
Achilles
sand bolt
I get that like, Temple of Styx and all is supposed to be spoiler content, but I...
Nobody here flips out about it except in the new players channel which has spoiler rules because Supergiant Games runs this discord and wants it that way
So… get over yourself
violet stag
I suppose it's fairer here, I don't see people getting blasted like elsewhere, but it still irks me either way
YouTube and the Hades subreddit I see it too much on for sure though
(Something something reddit yadda same joke as always)
atomic forge
https://prnt.sc/uGSxzKPHI1-G Do they ever explain why she's just a head anyway?
Since this is her confirming that it is, in fact, abnormal for gorgons in Hades video game lore.
light birch
arent all gorgons beheaded in this game
carmine trout
i'm thinking of Ovid's Medusa, which used to be human before getting turned into a gorgon
they're all beheaded but maybe Dusa is different because of her different heritage?
crude wigeon
i already have posidons keepsake, but is there any point to me giving him more nector? and ambrosa? like will it get him to give me rarer boons or anything?
light birch
that pun just hit me rn
crude wigeon
don't want to say too much to not spoil
is it worth it tho? becasue i can use the nector to get blood and same with the ambrosia or i can use it for my companion
carmine trout
yeah, maybe use it for other things you need first
you will have plenty of resources at some point if you keep playing anyway
better to upgrade what you need rn
light birch
i think its ideal to just have everyone's keepsakes first before distributing the nectars to someone specific
crude wigeon
ok ty guys
novel willow
guys guys
dusa is the head, me is the body
since Medusa got beheaded
it’s just dusa
dull wyvern
that. that makes a lot of sense
crude wigeon
how do i tell how much nectar i have given somone? does 1 nectar stand for 1 heart in the codex?
visual cape
Yup!
I think Special Stuff happens at 6 hearts but that's as far as I've gotten and uh, it's with Charon.
I always tip the ferryman.
visual cape
He's locked to 1 until a certain point, I'm not sure how to unlock it.
I'd focus on other denizens and the Olympians, especially bc you see them at random.
night abyss
what happens if you give hades nectar? and cheron 5?
After a certain point you need a different resource
visual cape
Ambrosia, right?
night abyss
Yeah
crude wigeon
what do u guys recon are the best aspects in the game?
proper fable
i'm guessing it's about the original mythology and what he did to his wife and kids
minor badge
didnt he also. go to the underworld and take cerberus with him
i think itd be funnier if hades was just salty about getting his dog stolen
potent quiver
In myth I think he actually allows Heracles to walk him for a bit so he might actually be pissed at him for no reason
No one gets to him walk Cerberus but him
He was a bit of a Zeus jr
sand bolt
Damn, what did Heracles do that's got dad's panties in a bunch?
Tried to steal Cerberus
Unless that hasn’t happened yet
light birch
it probably happened already
potent quiver
Heracles is apparently already dead so most likely yeah
desert drum
Heracles is apparently already dead so most likely yeah
I think in the story Achilles says that Herc got a "special arrangement" from the Gods and joined them in Olympus as an actual God
potent quiver
I say that because in the myth he joins the gods just as he dies
atomic forge
:( this line alone makes me greatly feel the need to get the reunion epilogue
Because all things considered, as potentially untrustworthy as the gods have seemed so far, Demeter really got the short end of the stick on the whole thing, having her daughter sent out of the heavens as a gift to Hades only to be lied to, told she's gone
vapid ledge
In the (first?) end credits. Didn't expect things to end in a good way at all
glad star
atomic forge
Wait, does Zagreus commit suicide in this ending?
He gets bored, and just kills himself? Because you can't simply die of sheer boredom, that's not a thing
Headcanon: Hypnos, wanting more time to sleep, intentionally upset Hades so that he wouldn't have to talk to him
potent quiver
The narrator just makes stuff up Zag most likely gets taken by Styx like in the pre true ending runs
vagrant reef
Who is the narrator, anyway?
Are they supposed to be a god or something?
Or are they just a plot contrivance for the sake of narration
carmine trout
sand bolt
Who *is* the narrator, anyway?
Homer
carmine trout
is that his bust you can get as a statue?
sand bolt
Yes
carmine trout
cool
unrelated, Asphodel is breaking my heart with these
https://imgur.com/ES35aCa
intertwined in suffering, crying, and sometimes petrified
limber hamlet
Any tip it get Poseidon and Aries to do the required line to get there last heart
atomic forge
So i just got to the part where meg is in zagreus's room and i kind of want to say ease off but i didn't want to miss anything, i read that if you ease off you miss an interaction between meg and thanatos, which option has more story or is more interesting? I also found out that it saves just before that so i was able to choose and hear both options, but which should i stick with? And please be vauge with what kinds of things it has to offer
atomic forge
Ok, so there is more to the other going with it, but is there more story when doing that or is it just more bump bump?
Yeah i just heard they talk about the details
Oh, well idk then, i was trying to not have spoilers so i might have misinterpreted something
Oh ok, thank you
atomic forge
I was just looking some more and there was a scene with both of them in the bedroom
Oh there is also a difference between if you do the bump bump with thanatos first then meg, she says that they aren't as lowly as mortals so they don't have to worry about jealousy even though she is the punisher of jealousy
He never mentioned than when he says lets just be friends, and she never said anything about being better than mortals when i did it. I did meg first
umbral plover
idk if this goes here, but whenish do you unlock the archives or whatever it's called?
torpid peak
Have you beaten redacted yet?
umbral plover
yep, 5 or 6 times I think
do I have to get to the credits?
which is after 10 clears, iirc
glad cliff
It doesn't have to do anything with beating Redacted. You just have to unlock it from the house contractor
It costs Diamonds
glad cliff
It should show after certain upgrades and I don't remember which one but rng doesn't have to do anything with it
umbral plover
oh I googled it and i need to wait for a flashback to show up
glad cliff
Oh yes you need that. Don't worry it certainly shows up after some runs
clear peak
how do I complete Athenas favour
light summit
Athena's favor requires seeing all three of Athena's remarks after successfully clearing a run, acknowledging Zagreus' strength.
queen magnet
Homer
Woahhh!!! Now that's a great thought! 
Just when i thought i couldnt like the game anymore than this!
glad star
so in the hades world it was snow all the time during the year?
damn
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036258237420412940/1053620452133711913/safasdfasdf.png
night abyss
so in the hades world it was snow all the time during the year?
damn
https://cdn...
Mhm. As per the myth of hades and Persephone
carmine trout
how do i unlock Hermes' heart? musta missed something
frozen jolt
you need to talk to him with a fully upgraded plume
carmine trout
i did? he was like, ha, nice, you have the plume, and nothing happened
guess I'll try again
i even got the 20% speed cheevo 
frozen jolt
oh yeah i think he has a couple of plume lines
sand bolt
i did? he was like, ha, nice, you have the plume, and nothing happened
That’s just the “you have plume” dialog probably
There’s a separate one for talking to him with 3* plume
stiff tapir
does anyone other than nyx know that chaos is helping zag or know they are still...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOvKAMR7aKs
I found out that meg knows as well
light summit
I've been wondering this for quite a while now, but is there any actual real world myth that says Poseidon used to wield a sword instead of a trident, while Hades wielded a trident instead of a bident?
light summit
I think I do remember Poseidon using a sword on GoW2's Titanomachy flashback, but well it's GoW and not really real world myth
plus Hades never used his Bident there and used some sort of twin chained hooks
and never goes invisible despite having the Helmet of Invisibility
vagrant reef
As someone who actually worships Hades IRL in a pagan way, I feel like I would have known if Hades ever wielded a trident. AFAIK, it's always been bident.
copper dagger
how do i get the gods past 6 hearts? do i just have to keep accepting their boons hoping they’ll give me the dialogue i need in order to progress their story?
will do, thanks
light summit
As someone who actually worships Hades IRL in a pagan way, I feel like I would h...
That's pretty cool 
thanks for the info
leaden yoke
Is there any mythological evidence for the hinted romance / deep friendship between Ares and Nyx? Or is that something entirely added on by the game?
Bc I feel like it would make sense indeed, for the god of war and the goddess of night to be close.
open berry
it doesn't
the bit of the games narrative about the olympians not particularly dealing with chthonic gods is probably based on the fact much of their mythos really rarely references them. ares really only deals with thanatos, as far as we're aware
umbral plover
Is there any mythological evidence for the hinted romance / deep friendship betw...
im sorry the what??? that's a bad ship ngl. I see mutual admiration and that's about it
sly verge
play the game more you might like how it turns out
light summit
I don't think it's necessarily a bad ship
it's better than most greek couples at least
warm whale
What does the progress look like after I've completed the first ||Bounty/Heat run||? Am I playing just for fun now or are there still stuff to unlock?
smoky cloud
theres still plenty of story
warm whale
Ok thanks!
spark bluff
Why is ||persephone|| the only god without ||greyish skin||
arctic bronze
|| i would guess it’s cause she’s half mortal maybe?? ||
radiant citrus
Why is ||persephone|| the only god without ||greyish skin||
I don't think Most olympians have a greyish skin, that seems to be mostly a shading choice.
It's likely to be a mix from the fact her design was made far later than all the others(I think) + ||It's more desirable for a mother character to have a "warmer", confortable colour pallete. She's also the goddess of verdure, which usually grow in warmer climates, and thus associated with brighter colours. ||
sly verge
just want to say don't use lightshot, it has major security issues
most notably that all the screenshots are public, so if you take a screenshot of something more private to send to someone you know, everybody can see that if they really try
light summit
I love this game's version of athena
I love this game's version of all the characters 
really makes me appreciate the greek myth more
My impression of Hermes went from insufferable on GoW3, to a best bro on Hades
atomic forge
just want to say don't use lightshot, it has major security issues
I appreciate this, I will look for another tool but also I don't typically screencap anything that people can't be seeing so I might also continue using it for some things
atomic forge
Wow zeus that's kinda messed up
I adore this Tisiphone character development
I'm no longer a murderer!
vestal fable
so i was doiung some house contractor stuff and i walk in my bedroom and megaera is there but shes upset and says that she was grabbing her belongings and that i was letting the place go to hell. was that supposed to be the romance scene but i missed it?
light summit
nope don't worry
that was supposed to happen
it's supposed to give you hint that they were in a relationship, which fell out
and that Zag don't know how to keep his room clean
jagged rapids
does hypnos ever bag magera
light summit
no
main flint
I have been wondering smth, in the game, Hades says that he disagrees with what humans consider to be heroes when speaking about the shades in Elysium, yet he continues to permit their existence as such. Does anyone know why? Like, does he have to or he just doesn't care and keeps the practice going just because.
neat trail
so when persephone returns to the underworld, zagreus asks why he isnt dying, and she tells him its because hes on river styx, the same river thats right next to her house, so couldnt zagreus just stay in the river and talk to persephone without having to keep coming back?
radiant citrus
I have been wondering smth, in the game, Hades says that he disagrees with what ...
So, the thing is, Hades doesnt have supreme power over a lot of stuff in the underworld, like, for example, judging where an individual will go after dying.
The judges, apointed by Zeus, were responsble for that: https://www.theoi.com/Khthonios/Rhadamanthys.html
So, in the supergiantverse, probably just another Zeus decision that makes Hades angry, but he cant do anything about it. Except maybe employ in his house talented individuals he aproves of
main flint
so when persephone returns to the underworld, zagreus asks why he isnt dying, an...
Technically yes, but by the time we found out it didn't matter anymore.
main flint
So, the thing is, Hades doesnt have supreme power over a lot of stuff in the und...
Oh that's fascinating! Thank you so much for the resource!
glad star
||nyx firing dusa sucks||
uncut nest
why doenst hades let zagreus leave the underworld
and also zagreus is the most whiny rebelious teen character ever
he is rebelious and a badass like dante but his attitudes and objective makes me think of a ok screw you dad i can do whatever i want type of character
radiant citrus
so when persephone returns to the underworld, zagreus asks why he isnt dying, an...
He probably just didnt knew it was river styx.
The better question is, why didnt persephone tell him?
radiant citrus
why doenst hades let zagreus leave the underworld
||because he is afraid hell reveal Persephone's house to the other gods||
radiant citrus
and also zagreus is the most whiny rebelious teen character ever
Hes not. He has fairly understandable motivations
uncut nest
Hes not. He has fairly understandable motivations
true however i havent beaten or seen the full story yet so he just comes off as a ok daaad im playing minecraft screw you type of protag
uncut nest
true
i mean i know the persephone myth somewhat but idk hades in greek myths seems more of a chill guy
i mean he was so moved from the love story of orpheus and eurydice that he straight up let them go(with some god trickery ofc)
i cant really see game hades hades doing the same
spiral lily
i cant really see game hades hades doing the same
That’s exactly what happened ingame
umbral plover
I've had Megara at 6 nectar since before I got the credits (I'm now at ~30 clears), is there something I need to do to get her romance path, or do I just need to wait and let rng do its thing
ive had Thanatos at max nectar for slightly less long and he's letting me give him ambrosia already
dawn flower
half arch
i think she literally means that she needs to respect nyx and cant help zag in this case
glad star
hm, could be
minor badge
yeah she's saying that she can't intervene on zag's behalf, which is presumably what he was about to ask
dusty pollen
How do I unlock the deeper friendship options with characters like skelly? Are there specific things I have to do or does it just happen?
And as little spoilers as possible please
zenith wedge
You have to do a favor for each character, some are related to prophecies, some not
They are related to their character for the most part so if you keep playing most of them should happen alone
dusty pollen
I'm pretty sure I know what I have to do for some characters
It's just skelly that confuses me
zenith wedge
His favor is a prophecy from him
potent cobalt
Hello, fellow Hades enjoyers. I came seeking confirmation or if I just somehow made this memory up; on my first save I managed to reunite Eurydice and Orpheus before taking the Queen home and I could've sworn I saw them in game singing on the sidelines of the river ride home and now with my new save on Hell Mode I haven't reunited them yet and am now wondering if what I remember truly happened lmao. Thanks in advance if anyone could confirm!!
vagrant reef
Ah so it's fanon
lusty thistle
lore question:
||why would there be a war between olympus and hades if they found out about persephone? is it because she was banished out of the underworld and she's demeter's daughter?||
main flint
Who is Hermes talking about here? https://imgur.com/a/l3h0NAg Is it Sisyphus?
next hinge
lore question:
||why would there be a war between olympus and hades if they foun...
|| Probably because they lied about her being dead/missing for so long and demeter would be incredibly mad to learn that her daughter was “taken” from her. She’s known to have an incredible temper and would definitely wage a war to get her daughter back unless they found some agreement. ||
next hinge
Who is Hermes talking about here? https://imgur.com/a/l3h0NAg Is it Sisyphus?
I think so yes
main flint
|| Probably because they lied about her being dead/missing for so long and demet...
|| Yea.. Dem is a helicopter parent ||
main flint
I think so yes
Dude got jacked as a shade pushing Bouldy
next hinge
Definitely ong
delicate dew
hey, what exactly is Distant Memory, Orpheus' keepsake? I'm not familiar with Orpheus mythos to recall any items of his that looks like it. Is it like, a sealed memory of his?
main flint
Yes
sly verge
most of the keepsakes aren't specific things from myth
final marsh
Which characters are worth giving nectar to first?
I’ve basically given the first nectar to everyone
Wait sorry wrong chat
graceful sapphire
Hey so I've been meaning to ask, with Hades approving or denying shades, what exactly is it for?
whole iron
Which characters are worth giving nectar to first?
||if you want to get to the epilogue as quick as possible, I guess invest your nectar and ambrosia (I think? Idk if the Olympians require ambrosia) into the Olympians. If you want to romance someone first instead go for either maegara or Thanatos (or Dusa if you want to be friend zoned). If you want to earn the companions (powerful items that help you in battle) go for either maegara, Thanatos, skelly, sisyphus, dusa, or Achilles. If you just want to max out the relationship of characters you like… then just give your nectar to those characters.||
radiant citrus
Theres the ||summon keepsakes||
radiant citrus
You cant give ambrosia for the special keepsake before giving necrar first
sly verge
Hey so I've been meaning to ask, with Hades approving or denying shades, what ex...
it's just some background worldbuilding
doesn't do anything gameplay-wise
graceful sapphire
doesn't do anything gameplay-wise
I am very much well aware
I still wanna know what it's about
sly verge
oh that
we don't know for certain, feel free to make guesses
given that hades is always bogged down in paperwork it's probably very boring
novel willow
confirmed, hades is a prequel to have a nice death
visual crane
Assuming the plot of the NPC in Elysium, probably deciding who goes where was my guess
Like some shade comes in and thinks they are definitely worthy of Elysium. Why? Oops denied.
atomic forge
So is it 7:48am or 7:48pm
glad star
it's cute how Nyx reacts to attempts of Ares to hit on her
jovial ridge
Ares hits on Nyx?!
sly verge
So is it 7:48am or 7:48pm
7:48
lusty thistle
when shades enter the house and face hades he always "denies" them, what exactly is he denying
if its entrance into the underworld isn't it a good thing to be denied
carmine trout
he's denying their requests
whatever those might be
also he doesn't always deny, i've seen him grant their wishes sometimes
but it's not made clear what they're requesting
spiral lily
if its entrance into the underworld isn't it a good thing to be denied
They’re already in the Underworld lmao
Anyways it’s an old thing
Where you’d go to a lord and petition for whatever you wanted
Yes he definitely can
umbral plover
I have a genuine but mildly passive agressive question, why do people use he or she pronouns for Chaos? like what leads them to believe that Chaos has a gender.
(sidenote props to sgg for the non-gendered character and having that not be a big deal :) )
atomic forge
Did ares have a crush on Nyx in greek lore or is that just Hades lore
grand silo
Which characters are worth giving nectar to first?
It's actually quite easy to get a lot of nectars later in the game once you unlock the ability for bosses to drop gemstones. You just do the trade of 10 gemstones to 1 key and 5 keys to 1 nectar, and you will be swimming in nectars.
spiral lily
I have a genuine but mildly passive agressive question, why do people use he or ...
because that’s the base assumption for most people
spiral lily
Did ares have a crush on Nyx in greek lore or is that just Hades lore
Nope! Only cheating with Aphrodite
atomic forge
Did Nyx KILL dusa??
I can't find her anywhere, Meg is mad at me, and Achilles said Nyx "cut her off"
Can't find Nyx either
pseudo fern
nope
spiral lily
I can't find her anywhere, Meg is mad at me, and Achilles said Nyx "cut her off"
Fired
rugged trench
I have a genuine but mildly passive agressive question, why do people use he or ...
For most people I assume it’s just lack of awareness. The characters use they/them to refer to Chaos, but it may be easy to overlook. I’m sure some people are aware and deliberately misgender Chaos but I think that isn’t most people.
minor badge
wait who uses she/her for chaos what
umbral plover
ive encountered one or two people
errant hearth
chaos has no gender
jolly moat
yeah besides generally being the progenitor of everything with no gender i feel chaos's appearance and voice are meant to show they do not abide by gender
i've been gifting them the most nectar besides charon because they must be lonely down there i feel
errant hearth
yeah besides generally being the progenitor of everything with no gender i feel ...
therefore people stop getting mad at people using wrong pronouns
jolly moat
i mean i think they're called them in game so i call them them
errant hearth
yeah, Chaos is refered to as them in game, essentially Chaos doesn't have a gender
spiral lily
yeah besides generally being the progenitor of everything with no gender i feel ...
Chaos looks like James Charles
strong bay
jolly moat
Chaos looks like James Charles
minus the weird heads and missing lower torso i presume
spiral lily
minus the weird heads and missing lower torso i presume
no that part too
umbral plover
I need to forge a bond with either one or two more gods to get to the epilogue
if Demeter at 6 nectar counts as a bond for epilogue progression, then I need one. if it doesn't, I need two. I read somewhere that her at 6 counts as a bond, idk if that's right
besides dem, I have posiedon, ares, Athena, and Dionysus with bonds, and I'm working towards aph and Arty's bonds
umbral plover
if Demeter at 6 nectar counts as a bond for epilogue progression, then I need on...
(if anyone can confirm/deny I would appreciate that :) )
frozen jolt
yes, it counts
slate fog
Does anyone know how many gods do I need to fully bond with for the epilogue or is it all of them
final marsh
Should I shift my focus from nectaring my friends and instead give it to the Olympics?
Olympians
carmine trout
depends on what your goal is
clear peak
game won't activate the favor for patroclus, what do I do?
umbral plover
i don't think you can get his favour until you're done with sisyphus' and eurydice's
clear peak
i did both, got their affinity maxed so far, now what???
contracto is upgrades
doesn't show the quest thingy tho
haven't gotten any progress at all
carmine trout
i don't think you can get his favour until you're done with sisyphus' and eurydi...
you can. i got sisyphus last
jolly moat
https://prnt.sc/R6Xm6rpEWfj7
"Ah, back amongst the dead, are you boy? Hm? Escaping from the house? Receiving aid from Olympus itself? Fighting with Theseus? Perhaps I shouldn't have woken you up yet, boy, for I was enjoying not having to listen to your dull nonsense for once."
frosty hazel
just a quick question, am i bad if i died to the minotaur on my fourth run? i dont really know much about the game so i joined the server to ask.
oh wait wrong chat sorry
flat nebula
just a quick question, am i bad if i died to the minotaur on my fourth run? i do...
No, you're probably on above average pace. But regardless, people beat different checkpoints at different times so it's tough to compare, just progress at your pace and ask in #h1-builds-and-combat or #h1-for-new-players if you feel like you're stuck
frosty hazel
alright thanks
vocal marsh
yeah most likely ariadne
vocal marsh
oh
atomic forge
Heya!
vagrant reef
What does poseidon mean when he says "ready to get wet", like, does he assume I'm taking tidal dash :/ because really, that's the only boon that makes me wet, the rest make my enemies wet
I mean, I definitely took Tidal Dash, but that's not the point
umbral plover
one of my ny resolutions was to get to the epilogue... I just unlocked artemis' last heart... it looks like I'm gonna finish one of my ny resolutions on jan 1 lmao
gentle juniper
Bit late for the Hades 2 trailer but what happened to our favorite klutz Zag
next root
tbf I still hope we at least hear of him
vagrant reef
are you at max hearts with him?
frosty hazel
help lol i just reached this weird looking boon, it has a wheat symbol on it. does it drain ur health like chaos and is it a good boon?
jovial prawn
help lol i just reached this weird looking boon, it has a wheat symbol on it. do...
Its a god boon
Demeter
Same as other regular god boons
frosty hazel
oh ok
wait a minute- ive played not for long but does that mean our protag just met his grandma? im assuming his mom is persephone since she's on the surface and hades orginally was with her in the myth
jovial prawn
wait a minute- ive played not for long but does that mean our protag just met hi...
Yeah
frosty hazel
oh cool
jovial prawn
oh cool
also, #h1-for-new-players
frosty hazel
sorry
frosty hazel
lol ok 
atomic forge
[Modded] I appear to have upset the God of Music by not taking his trial of the gods. https://prnt.sc/_6wiZ1AffB8r - Question though, wasn't Apollo supposed to be God of the Sun, not Music?
Is it like, both in greek lore?
Yeah even google says so?
So what's his association with Music?
loud tinsel
@atomic forge Apollo was the god of practically everything – including but not limited to music, poetry, art, prophecy, truth, archery, plague, healing, sun and light (although the god is always associated with the sun, the original sun god was the titan Helios, but everyone forgot about him).
turbid cape
Wait until he plays a key role in Hades II
spiral lily
[Modded] I appear to have upset the God of Music by not taking his trial of the ...
In this I believe they disassociate him with the Sun since Helios is driving the chariot this time
final marsh
lacks a luxurious beard
winged plover
I'm going crazy. What do you need to do the epilogue fate? I have 7/9 bonds forged, what else do I need?
runic schooner
idk if this is the right channel but when does than show up for the first time? on the wiki it said you needed to defeat Alecto or tisiphone and then get to the third chamber of Elysium and I’ve defeated Alecto and Tisiphone twice each and gotten to chamber 31 but still no sign of him
he hasn’t been in runs or in the house and I’ve done multiple runs since I got to Elysium
errant hearth
just play more ig
winged plover
I just want this game to be over. As far as I can tell it's bugged. I'll just watch it online
torpid mango
When do Than or Meg get into Zag's room? I finished both their hearts til the midpoint and I'm just waitin on either one to go
rapid nebula
*Wait until he plays a key role in Hades II*
||doesn't he literally show up in the trailer for 2 as the god of light?||
turbid cape
And I meant ||Helios, we know about Apollo||
atomic forge
In-universe, how does Zagreus gift nectar and ambrosia if the connection to the gods was one-way from them to zag?
Or give the epilogue invitation for that matter?
carmine trout
fickle comet
I just want this game to be over. As far as I can tell it's bugged. I'll just wa...
If you think you're experiencing some bug, you can ask for help in #h1-tech-support.
main flint
I'm going crazy. What do you need to do the epilogue fate? I have 7/9 bonds forg...
You can check what requirements it has online, there's more than just the bonds being formed afaik
glad star
In-universe, how does Zagreus gift nectar and ambrosia if the connection to the ...
He can actually talk to them
Like he does when gifting ambrosia
And they can send him stuff like their keepsakes
It seems there is a connection but very limited one
Although it's weird the gods wouldn't abuse it to send him some gifts or items beyond the keepsakes
And beyond the boons
Funny that he ignores what they say most of the time when activating a boon
final marsh
i just realized how chtonic gods are depicted so much nicer than olympic gods
main flint
Did you guys ever think how Demeter had an indirect role in Zag's upbringing? Her forever-winter must have caused a huge influx of shades in the Underworld which kept Hades busier than normal and which inadvertently affected his already foul mood.
final marsh
these gods are playing games with our lives
our mortal souls
like compare thanatos to ares
they're each other's nemesis basically
nyx and detemer
final marsh
i mean all the olympians
they play with mortals and send them to hades to deal with it
main flint
Definitely true, Ares and Aphro most of all, but in this timeframe Demeter must have taken the cake
frosty hazel
y'all any theories on why there's no Hephaestus, Hestia or Hera?
frosty hazel
or zeus mentioned hera at some point
final marsh
Did you guys ever think how Demeter had an indirect role in Zag's upbringing? He...
foul mood indeed
frosty hazel
quick question since i haven't paid attention to lore (i'm that guy who finished the game as quick as possible and skips dialogue)
why does hades REALLY keep zagreus from escaping
is he afraid of persephone meeting zagreus?
carmine trout
sorta; he's afraid of persephone beign discovered due to Zagreus' meddling and the olympian gods watching him as close as possible
carmine trout
well, it's postponing the inevitable
Olympian drama always happens
such is the way of Olympus
frosty hazel
im guessing demeter is the one they dont want finding out specifically then?
carmine trout
yes, i'd say.
frosty hazel
from what we've seen from her i don't think she'd do anything really bad tho
its hard to say since persephone was technically protected by hades when she reunited with her mother
carmine trout
from what we've seen from her i don't think she'd do anything really bad tho
she's been terrorizing the human world with endless winter for decades
frosty hazel
true lol
frosty hazel
c: she's a wonderful totally not toxic/possessive grandma and mother!
carmine trout
frosty hazel
we don't see much of her toxic side in the game tho so its hard to tell what she would do if she found persephone or zagreus
zenith wedge
Drama also goes to Zeus cuz Hades 100% would say why persephone isnt in olympus
frosty hazel
true
we literally don't know what the olympians would actually do tho since hades is there in-game
awkard party
zenith wedge
"for the sake of avoiding something that we all could regret, lets just accept the pomegranate thing"
Basically the epilogue
frosty hazel
lmao
that party felt so forced
basically chthonic gods and olympian gods staring each other down
main flint
https://prnt.sc/H47T4OkBLb1h
Thanks for these, funny you had them handy hehehe
But yea, other Olympians had a role to play in many people's passing, however I still feel Demeter had the most impact since the war may very well be due to a shortage in resources on account of the never ending winter
final marsh
I just had the dialogue after our discussion
I think the point is that the olympians play their games
Leave it to hades to clean up their mess
All the while trying to groom z
While talking shi on hades name
They’re gonna be really angry when they figure out they’ve been played
main flint
Hades II
final marsh
Oh ok
It’s just from a logical point of view
Hades and nyx should know better than to let z get involved with Olympus
Now that z’s purpose behind escaping is different
But I guess the plot has to thicken somehow
final marsh
lol hermes is the only god who offers to just skip the dialogue altogether
frosty hazel
Hades and nyx should know better than to let z get involved with Olympus
Well nyx is the one who reached out in the first place to them so it's kinda her fault. Hades doesn't really have a say in it ig.
spiral lily
Hades and nyx should know better than to let z get involved with Olympus
Hades didn’t know about olympus’s help until much later
and Nyx has the funky darkness shroud that obscures their vision. And she tells Zag to not tell them anything
frosty hazel
Oh nice
final marsh
i mean yeah
zag is trying to decieve them all the time
but still
its bound to happen
they're gonna find out
spiral lily
I mean she does easily get the most offended during trials
jolly moat
Artemis is the goddess who's the most down to earth but yeah she'll still try to kill you if you offend her
All the greek gods are candid to Zagreus because he's "one of them" and all. Like I think she's probably the one putting up the least of a front. And Achilles seem to think she and Hades could maybe get along, but I don't know if she's singled out as nice amongst the gods
Still next to like Demeter she's practically a saint lol
spiral lily
hm
so what than does is shifting
And zag can do it too
But not far
Maybe his dash is “shifting?”
umbral plover
that's what I read that dialog as
earnest juniper
Artemis always comes off as the most well intentioned of them all, along with Athena. When I hear some of her dialogue it really feels like she considers what's happening to Zag an injustice
frosty hazel
Also maybe I'm biased for Artemis because I full friendshipped her and always use her boons for Crit....
wooden herald
Artemis is the god who i feel is my spirit animal
main flint
Make spirit olympians happen lol
tame sparrow
Like in Bastion? Drinkable Olympians? =D
upper smelt
the implications of figures from a monotheistic belief existing in the hades universe are funny
god who insists he's the only god and is a big phoney
it's been so long since i unlocked the aspect of lucifer that i've forgotten if there's any dialogue which addresses this
serene drift
Artemis always comes off as the most well intentioned of them all, along with At...
at least Athena is good in the game Greek stuff wise jesus
earnest juniper
I know greek stuff from percy jackson and ac odyssey, what she do?
zenith wedge
Isnt she in some version the reason why medusa turned into well, medusa?
upper smelt
are the greek underworld and christian hell neighbours? is there any risk of accidentally drilling into one during renovations? are there noise complaints? are we supposed to think about this?
earnest juniper
Oh yeah! Because she was jealous if her beauty
earnest juniper
are the greek underworld and christian hell neighbours? is there any risk of acc...
They're separate layers i think
earnest juniper
I don't know, the one i heard was jealousy over beauty but it could very well be a different myth
All i know is those are two things that happened in greek myth for aure
I looked it up and we're both right actually. Athena was jealous she slept with Poseidon because P thought medusa was prettier, and so Athena took her beauty
I'm just relaying what i read
It called their love an affair so i imagine it was implied to be something there
Between Poseidon and Medusa I mean, was called an affair
serene drift
Isnt she in some version the reason why medusa turned into well, medusa?
Ye
She is an idea born in Zeus's head
After a while she was so big and gave a big headache to Zeus
So Zeus asked Daedalus to hammer his head and she broke out full armor on
And she did chaos
wooden herald
All i know is those are two things that happened in greek myth for aure
i'm ngl, as much as i like athena, and to me she is always best girl in hades, i have a hard time expressing outside of this game because of stuff like that
and as much as i love artemis in hades, i can't help but also think about the amount of times she punishes her followers cuz zeus slept with them nonconsensually
serene drift
isn't Hera the wife of Zeus ?
wooden herald
she is, but that doesn't mean zeus wants to stay faithful to her
earnest juniper
Tru, gotta specify that it's the games version you're talking about
Yeah
No god stayed faithful
zenith wedge
she is, but that doesn't mean zeus wants to stay faithful to her
Like zeus cares
serene drift
either way Zeus is a biiiiiiiiiig player and just sleeps with whoever he wants
earnest juniper
Greeks liked their intercourse
wooden herald
isn't Hera the wife of Zeus ?
oh and let's not forget about how after zeus sleeps with someone other than hera, she punishes the person who zeus slept with
zenith wedge
One dialogue i find funny in game is Zeus saying that Hades and Persophone is the 2nd best relationship right after him and Hera
serene drift
yup
zenith wedge
Like, suuuure
wooden herald
Greeks liked their intercourse
yes, and that's why the most ideal man is bisexual, cuz it means he can sleep with anyone - literally (although, now thinking of it, that probably means the most ideal man is pansexual)
earnest juniper
Truuuuuu!