h1-builds-and-combat

[valid dagger]

No matter the weapon

A hammer is not a run killer

[acoustic vale]

Why?

[valid dagger]

Why not? It's an upgrade, potentially a big one

[acoustic vale]

I'd rather avoid risking cursed slash on 32 heat ngl

[valid dagger]

Take the other options?

[plain river]

What would force you to take it?

[acoustic vale]

I've found most sword hammers are just bad ngl

[plain river]

thats just sword

[valid dagger]

Sword hammers can be bad but the chances of you being locked into a bad one are practically very very low at 32 heat

[plain river]

But I can see why you might think that

[valid dagger]

And sword has double edge which is amazing

[acoustic vale]

I've not memorized the list of hammers so I was kinda assuming the others had the same ratio of bad hammers as sword

[plain river]

what group of 3 can you roll that would only have bad options

No, sword is the outlier

[valid dagger]

Flurry Slash, Cursed Slash and Dash Nova

That's 3 harmful sword hammers on 1 screen

But this is also Tartarus

So just reset

[plain river]

Sword is the outlier

[acoustic vale]

I see, good to know

[dreamy prism]

you only want to avoid hammers when AP2 moment (or AP1 on sword)

[plain river]

Wdym those are definitely run winners

[dreamy prism]

and even on AP2 you shouldn't really avoid hammers, just don't take them preferentially because they're unlikely to help you unless you're desperate

[plain river]

{should be clear that this is a joke}

[proper furnace]

I mean at low heat flurry + cursed wont be a jokr

[dreamy prism]

flurry + cursed + epic swift strike is funny

and bad

but funny

[plain river]

Plus demeter attack to keep them in your range 🧠

Hoarding slash is too little of an increase to ever be worth picking up unless you have a stupid amount of obols

like

325786542247800321.7^38 obols

[tight basin]

at least it doesn't hurt your build like other hammer upgrades

[upbeat condor]

any guan yu builds worth trying?

never found spear any good but wanna get teh bounty for the 2 ambrosia

[dreamy prism]

aphrodite attack, hope for charged skewer hammer

then slap athena on dash and maybe attack

[upbeat condor]

then waht on special?

[dreamy prism]

sorry misspoke

aphro special

[upbeat condor]

👌

how bout dio on attack?

[dreamy prism]

yeah that's good too

athena demeter zeus dio are all good on attack for the spin

if you don't get charged skewer you'll want to special -> dash strike -> dash strike for extra damage

if you get quick spin you can use it offensively, otherwise use it on spawning/phasing/unthreatening enemies for a quick heal

[upbeat condor]

if i get charged skewer then what?

[dreamy prism]

you can still dash strike but you should mostly special for dps

[upbeat condor]

https://imgur.com/a/Fx3zdSB

build so far

[dreamy prism]

oh get something on special asap

any +% will do, aphro best

[upbeat condor]

was gonna try pposeidon and rupture

👌

[dreamy prism]

meh poseidon bad on special

[upbeat condor]

oh ok

might get his call then

and hope for aphro

[dreamy prism]

general rule of thumb is that poseidon attack and special are bad

[upbeat condor]

i think its okay

for sea storm duo

like mayme on gun or chiron

[plain river]

Pos attack, zeus anything, get jolted+sea storm

[dreamy prism]

ultimately sea storm for attack/special is almost always inferior to just putting zeus there instead

sadly

[upbeat condor]

then wahts a good duo bon or legendary for fast fire rate like chiron or gun?

[dreamy prism]

uhhh

dio has good stuff like low tolerance for chiron

[proper furnace]

On chiron depends, pos special is legit and yes you want sea storm, artemis wants heart rend, dio low tol/CoN

Rail doesnt care about duos

But cant go wrong with Smair

[rare topaz]

I back up Poseidon Special + Zeus Dash/Aid + Sea Storm + Static Discharge

Artemis is really fun for Support Fire

[proper furnace]

For chiron?

[rare topaz]

Yes

[proper furnace]

It doesnt proc on every arrow

Iirc

[rare topaz]

Idk if it does or not but I still enjoyed it

[dreamy prism]

smair is bad because nerfs arty call

[proper furnace]

Is a buff no?

You get to use its iframes more

[dreamy prism]

dammit you're right

[plain river]

Zeus attack + artemis for pressure point/hunters mark/ support fire is fun

On adamant rail

[plain river]

Nerfs worst call

[proper furnace]

I want the special before support normally but yes is fun

[proper furnace]

I was gonna say Ares but he doesnt have a call

[plain river]

aphro special, get heart rend up in there

[proper furnace]

From what artemis core (this is rail right)

[plain river]

At least you’re invincible the entire time you’re a beyblade

[proper furnace]

At the cost of doing no dmg

[plain river]

this is rail, it’d be cast then
😎🔫

[proper furnace]

Now your next pom isnt gonna have jolted/dash cuz you took cast

I barely take casts on eris

Tho phalanx for LP sounds fun

[plain river]

?

[proper furnace]

You really want to pom static discharge/tidal dash normally

So i mostly avoid boons that can be pommed that arent really helpful

[plain river]

Just remembered my drunk strike eris run it was bonkers

[proper furnace]

Try resetting for drunken strike and do some memes with mom's pom

Lvl 15 drunken strike funny

[proper furnace]

Works with fated authority too

[plain river]

it wasn’t that high but it was pretty high level epic drunk strike plus curse of nausea and low tolerance

[proper furnace]

Thats the common way to build ye

[plain river]

Lucifer best rail

[proper furnace]

Funny rail but not my fault eris and hestia exists

[cunning urchin]

Artemis' Aid is good.

[plain river]

Really? It feels really lack lustre whenever I use it

[proper furnace]

A few poms helps/having Hunter's mark

[sterile fiber]

if I proc Ruthless Reflex and Eris do I get 125% global damage

[lucid oar]

Math says yeah

[proper furnace]

Ye, for 2 secs you get red hyper delivery

[sterile fiber]

stonks

[cunning urchin]

It's bad without poms, but the pom scaling is really good. When you're not willing to pom it, don't take it. The burst damage at higher levels is great for boss fights.

[random relic]

poseidon has second highest special i think lol

aphro is 80%, poseidon is 70%

[proper furnace]

How good is pos rarity/pom scaling?

[random relic]

rarity same as everything else, pom scaling isnt bad iirc

[plain river]

If I have lambent plume and then ditch it for another trinket what happens

[dreamy prism]

lose your buffs

[strange lark]

You lose the buff from the plume

[dreamy prism]

aka don't use plume or butterfly lol

[strange lark]

Nah bro butterfly goated

[dreamy prism]

my mind has been changed

thank you for showing me the light

[strange lark]

😃 👍

[dreamy prism]

🤣👍

[plain river]

Flash fire, concentrated beam or greater inferno?

[lucid oar]

Flash fire

[graceful seal]

It's time to beat yo ass hades

that snow is crazy tho

💯

I lost

[plain river]

200% aphro rocket on eris 😎

Delta chamber, explosive fire or piercing fire

• why?

I’ll just take delta chamber I guess

[proper furnace]

def delta lol

[sterile fiber]

Delta Eris lets you keep iframes when dash attacking

[nocturne ether]

How much better does the rails attack with eris aspect get on max upgrade cause rn I'm on level 2 or 3, even with boons like Zeus attack and Artemis support arrow the atk still feels like chip damage even with that enhanced atk from special

[tight basin]

Bonus Damage
(+15% / +30% / +45% / +60% / +75%)

iirc others have said that clockets is the way to go for eris with a large special% modifier

[nocturne ether]

Clockets is cluster bomb and rocket daedelus upgraded I'm assuming

Also for that % modifier would something like deadly flourish work?

[dreamy prism]

too highroll

you can't ever count on getting two hammers you want, better to build safe by just spamming zeus and all his scaling shenanigans

[tight basin]

fair

but it is something to look out for

[cunning urchin]

For Lightning Strike, the number 1 boon you're looking for to scale your damage is Static Discharge and then put a couple poms on that. You'll also want Tidal Dash and pom that + maybe a decent tier 2 boon from him like Breaking Wave or Razor Shoals.

[gloomy canyon]

Does achilles spear boost mirage shots damage as well?

Or is it just the first cast that gets the buff

[cunning urchin]

Mirage Shot gets all the bonus damage you have.

[tepid lichen]

is there a helltaker mod for hades
where instead of Gods there are Hell girls

[valid dagger]

Not to my knowledge

[thick valve]

whats a good strategy for beowulf shield?

[valid dagger]

Start with Poseidon and take Flood flare, pom it as much as you can, look for Artemis and try to get attack, if not offered take her Special, this opens up Mirage shot which is bugged on Beo and does 100% instead of 30% so it’s a staple for all high damage builds, after that scale from wells and chaos and potentially Hermes

Make sure you don’t open up other Duos until you have Mirage

Charged Shot is your top hammer

Followed by Sudden Ferocious Breaching

Note that even if you find Artemis in Tartarus you should still force her in Asphodel because you need Mirage asap

[thick valve]

tytyty

[valid dagger]

A different build can start with Passion Flare from Aphrodite, less reliant on Mirage Shot due to Passion Flare’s big base damage, you can pair it with Pstatus on the mirror and look for Snow burst from Demeter

[clever phoenix]

you didn't mention dio beo

[valid dagger]

Dio Beo is a very inconsistent build and most people wont pilot it well, it's mostly just a fun big damage build but Flood and Passion are clearly superior

[steep elm]

just run it with stygian and get casts from everyone

[plain river]

Stygian is very cool

[steep elm]

I've grown to like it a lot more but if chaos doesn't help you out it can be rough

I had a really fun hera run with dio cast

[gloomy canyon]

[dreamy prism]

other source of scaling is that extra boss damage poseidon boon

forgot the name

[lucid oar]

Wave pounding

[dreamy prism]

kinda op boon tbh

[plain river]

Pos cast+Rupture+sea storm+ jolted + demeter/pos duo to make your cast give more status effects than privledged status needs 🧠

[plain river]

is triple bomb a good substitute for cluster bomb when you have rockets

[valid dagger]

It can be if you pilot it well enough

For most people it’s just awkward

It takes a lot of practice to use it well

[plain river]

Triple shot, pointblank shot or flurry shot? Zag bow with aphro attack

I think it really boils down to triple shot or flurry shot but I’m not used to non-chiron/rama bows

[valid dagger]

Usually Triple is the pick there

Flurry and Point Blank are very good for the second hammer

[plain river]

How does one effectively use and build chaos shield?

[strange lark]

Switch aspects

[plain river]

I don’t like it compared to the other shields but I’m trying to complete runs with every aspect on every weapon

[plain river]

I want to complete a run with it atleast once

[strange lark]

Cshot aphro attack

Spam that

[plain river]

Anything to throw on special for duos?

[proper wharf]

Flat dmg is quite nice on the shields at lower heat

[plain river]

I just launched into a run with it and I have explosive return, empowering flight and sudden rush as hammer options

I want to go sudden rush but I’m not sure

[proper wharf]

Iirc explosive return can be used and then try to get close to high health targets to hit them with as many shields as possible

[plain river]

Does explosive return get provoked by every shield return?

On chaos

[proper wharf]

Don't think so

That might risk making it good

[plain river]

so sudden rush it is? Or explosive return?

[proper wharf]

Either could be good

Probably depends on what you're building towards

If you have a good % attack then sudden rush, otherwise exp return

That's what I'd go with anyway

[plain river]

Purplr abyssal strike

Chaos is the only boons I need

[unreal tree]

🗿

[strange lark]

Angel go to sleep

[cunning urchin]

Explosive Return is best.

[plain river]

Is pom scaling tied to boon rarity?

[lucid oar]

No

[cunning urchin]

Common Lv.1 is essentially the base value. Any rarity and level bonuses are based on that and just added on top.

[hallow geyser]

Tips for using Beowulf

It turns out I am bad at it

[lucid oar]

Rebind cast to bumper

[valid dagger]

Dash strike to start the bullrush/shot

[lucid oar]

Dash attack before bull rushing

[valid dagger]

No standing attacks

Load casts mid rush

Learn breakpoints

Only load the proper amount needed

For each enemy

What build are you trying to do

[hallow geyser]

Already done

[hallow geyser]

What are breakpoints

[hallow geyser]

Flood shot mostly

[dreamy prism]

just get explosive return and dashing flight

and then uhhhh time out in elysium

[hallow geyser]

You mean no standing rushes

[lucid oar]

He means no standing attacks

The rush is always the same

[dreamy prism]

like if an enemy dies to a bull rush and 1 cast don't load 2 casts just to kill it

[hallow geyser]

In my first run I lost to Hades due to me not being familiar with it, in second run I lost because of my awful luck

[hallow geyser]

You rarely attack in Beowulf in general

[valid dagger]

If an enemy needs 1 cast to die, you should only load 1 cast etc

[hallow geyser]

But yh I have learnt never stand strike on any weapon any aspect

[lucid oar]

You have to attack before you cast

[dreamy prism]

yeah but flares are op and dstrike lets you discharge flares sooner

[valid dagger]

Are you looking for Mirage shot

Afterwards

Because if not I wouldnt recommend Flood

[hallow geyser]

Like the spear spin?

[hallow geyser]

Yh

[valid dagger]

Sort of

You have to attack and hold to start a bullrush

[lucid oar]

Kind of? It’s more so that bull rushing just makes you attack first anyway

[dreamy prism]

what do y'all mean kind of

they're like the exact same in that respect

I never thought of that

[lucid oar]

The game doesn’t know you want to bull rush when you initially press attack

So it does one

So yeah it is the same

[dreamy prism]

but the game doesn't know you want to spin either

[hallow geyser]

Then what do you recommend

[dreamy prism]

aphro flare is good

good aka best if you don't get mirage

[hallow geyser]

I thought that Aphrodite is mainly used with Hera not Beowulf

[clever phoenix]

both works with it

[hallow geyser]

So why is aphro better

[dreamy prism]

just the most damage of the flares

that's all

[hallow geyser]

Also won't it be hard to get mirage shot without flood shot

[valid dagger]

Just stick to Flood

[dreamy prism]

very so don't rely on it

[valid dagger]

Getting Mirage is easy

[dreamy prism]

yeah mirage is close to the easiest duo to force

[valid dagger]

And it’s more damage

[dreamy prism]

since second god of arty can go on everything but dash

[valid dagger]

Just don’t open up other duos

And keep pomming your cast

Watch some vods

Of good beo players

[dreamy prism]

and if you don't get mirage the aspect still functions which is really nice

unlike crap like ME fists

[valid dagger]

Well yea, filling your god pool early helps with seeing Mirage gods

So you’ll easily get it, sometimes late but better than never

[dreamy prism]

I wonder if pride is good for lower heat beo

aka newer player beo

[valid dagger]

I would not

I’d argue the opposite

Pride is good for when you know what you’re doing and you’re highrolling for Hermes and Chaos

When you’re new all you want is Mirage

[dreamy prism]

yeah figured

[valid dagger]

Pride is also good if you’re just playing classic High heat beo with Passion Flare Snow burst

Because you don’t care about Mirage

[dreamy prism]

man I remember my first 50 attempt getting passion mirage c2 ely

that was wild

imagine choking that

[hallow geyser]

Sooo, I shall stick to flood shot and use god's legacy?

[valid dagger]

Yea that’s fine

[hallow geyser]

Btw what are builds do you recommend using legacy with it

[valid dagger]

I pretty much only use it only Beo when lookin for Mirage

Pride on everything else

You can use it on Zeus shield with ME

[steep elm]

I feel like I haven't had too much issue getting dues with gods pride and the epics are way too good to pass up on imo

[short sapphire]

Got 3 epic eclipse boons and epic oceans bounty in one run, 1.5k darkness from dad lol

[hallow geyser]

Wtf

How

[proper furnace]

@hallow geyser about the cast build
Is memeing that fully loaded for whatever reason refuses to appear on cast builds for most people

But it always appears on non cast builds

[hallow geyser]

Ah

Understood it now

ME in my case

[crimson void]

best weapon?

[hallow geyser]

Not essentially appearing in other cases but always refusing to appear

[hallow geyser]

Btw I used legacy, and I got both mirage and fully loaded from refreshing

[hallow geyser]

Nothing called that

Maybe Beowulf shield

[crimson void]

why?

i cant even kill hydra with shield

[feral night]

it's very strong, fast, and easy

and safe

beowulf shield specifically, not any of the other shields

but all of the weapons are viable until you start pushing for things like sub7 speedrun times and 50 heat

[crimson void]

with canon i almost killed|| hades|| at first encounter

[feral night]

canon?

[crimson void]

exagrifo?

[feral night]

ah, the rail

[crimson void]

adamant rail

yeees

[feral night]

yes rail is very good

the hestia and eris aspects are the best

[feral night]

try holding attack and blocking all of the hydra's damage, it's pretty easy with shield

[crimson void]

ok

how do i unlock the beowulf aspect?

[feral night]

are you a new player, have you unlocked aspects yet?

[crimson void]

yes

i have ||zeus, caos and zagreo|| aspect

[valid dagger]

Check pins in #h1-story-discussion, it might be a bit early

[proper furnace]

Is not the rarity problem, is the requisites

Instead of having 2 out of 3 you need 2 of 2 on Beo for example

While you also my want other boons first from artemis/may not see her at all

[hallow geyser]

I was lucky that run

I have completed the requirements in asphodel so it was easy

[short sapphire]

luck

i have had a bunch of runs recently where i dont get oceans bounty OR eclipse

so i get unlucky too

[dreamy prism]

hestia tbh

[random relic]

eris tbh

[steep elm]

eris or chiron

[granite anchor]

Hey does higher heat equal more darkness after a boss?

[tight basin]

nope

rewards are always the same, the only thing you get from higher heats is pain and bragging rights

[plain river]

and like... the one time rewards

[tight basin]

bounties cap at 20 but up until then yeah

[acoustic vale]

Arthur

[steep elm]

lol

[unreal tree]

Based

[gilded pewter]

I agree

[rigid sage]

Arthur without a doubt

[tepid lichen]

Eris rail with Hazard bomb

[random relic]

chaos shield is pretty good

[plain river]

Gilgamesh+pos dash= good, yes?

[valid dagger]

Yes

[dreamy prism]

arthur

[plain river]

I thought I read somewhere that peer pressure was glitched, is it?

[strange lark]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/659820450297282585/987116888721092618/Screenshot_20220616-180951-042.png

[unreal tree]

Bug doc

[random relic]

one just has to wonder how this even happened

someone just accidentally left an 8* in the code???

[proper furnace]

not exactly

iirc some non zag sources (mostly traps) have some dmg multiplier to them or smth like that

so by peer pressure being the only dmg source ig is not counted as zag dmg source so it gets the multiplier

[dreamy prism]

huh

is that why you can't stack stygian shards to one shot bosses

[proper furnace]

if bosses didnt have their shield per phase they prob get 1 shotted

rama has a way to skip Lernie tho

well not skip but bypass the shield and do huge dmg

[feral night]

does the shared suffering still hit when there's a shield?

[proper furnace]

Im not bothering explaining so
https://youtu.be/zx4S1W8NWkk

[dreamy prism]

that gameplay is so cursed

[random relic]

wtf

thats um

hm

[plain river]

Oh

Did you crit on the shared suffering?

so he just died?

Also

Is that pc gameplay? That looks so annoying to play

[dreamy prism]

that looks like console with the directional aiming

[plain river]

Lol what

Maybe I’m just a switch player

[true pollen]

Fiery presence or shadow presence

[dreamy prism]

shadow for newer players struggling to win, fiery for speedrunning/tight deadline usually

[cunning urchin]

You can though.

[random relic]

also based third aspect in your pfp

second best aspect ngl

[true pollen]

Ima have my first finished run with stygius Mirror builds?

[dreamy prism]

lmao thanks

at this point I'm just putting all my 50s in profile picture

[random relic]

cant wait for 24 aspects in 1 pfp

i wonder which one will be the last

[cunning urchin]

Do all your 51s in your pfp.

[dreamy prism]

I'd be lucky to get like 5 tbh

lucifer, zag shield then idk

guan yu?

[random relic]

zeus shield?

rama?

[cunning urchin]

I'd use something good instead.

[random relic]

lmao

guan yu seems terrible for high heat

[dreamy prism]

zeus shield is a train wreck for me

[random relic]

but maybe im wrong

[dreamy prism]

I tried ME 40 and got clapped hard

[cunning urchin]

No, you're correct.

[random relic]

try just normal zeus build

lightning flourish + zeus boons

[dreamy prism]

I tried that too like a month ago on 32

almost got clapped

[random relic]

youre much better than you were a month ago

[dreamy prism]

I guess

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, don't worry about Merciful End.

[random relic]

anyway yeah zeus shield is hard but its pretty resistant to pact

[proven osprey]

Becomes a one boon aspect along with charged skewer so not so bad until you can't get these reliably

[dreamy prism]

I'll give zeus special a whirl on 40 then

guan yu can rank RI1 I'm sure

RI2 maybe but 25hp sus

[random relic]

youd get one shot by literally everything lmao

[valid dagger]

Guan Yu is tough but probably at the top end of high heat Spear

[random relic]

with sd youd be at like 7 hp the whole time lol

[random relic]

over achilles?

[valid dagger]

Hell yea

[random relic]

oh damn

[valid dagger]

At 45+

[random relic]

whys that?

[dreamy prism]

healing I assume

also almost benefitting from JS

[random relic]

oh i always forget gy has healing lmao

[valid dagger]

Although you have low hp the aspect is pretty safe with a Special boon and the hammer and that is all you need to beat the whole thing

The healing is not usable, it’s not the reason

Atleast not reliably

[random relic]

hmmm i suppose

so what, is ap2 just kinda free on it?

[dreamy prism]

styx tho

big boy healing, who needs patty

[valid dagger]

If you’re playing modded it can be very easy to deal with, if not then Hammer odds are not the best

In Styx yea you can heal up but it can waste your time

[dreamy prism]

knowing my luck I'm gonna get obliterated in aspho a few runs in a row then AP2 into cskewer + quick spin and ddash

hm yeah guan yu isn't the fastest

[random relic]

so is achilles just not as good because it needs more for a good build and is harder to get at high heat?

[valid dagger]

Guan yu usually doesn’t check second hammer on Ap2

[dreamy prism]

serrated moment

[valid dagger]

Because serrated exists, and there isn’t an amazing second hammer that you really want

Like Breaching is good

But not needed

[dreamy prism]

let me look at pact

[cunning urchin]

Should probably move to #h1-high-heat-strategies.

[dreamy prism]

bet

[valid dagger]

Melee aspects have it rough yes, Achilles til around 50 is pretty good, I’m not saying it’s bad, I’m just saying Guan Yu is quite easy compared to it imo, something Achilles has is easier DC than Guan yu, but yea in terms of build most people just opt for Hangover and poms, on a melee wep…. It’s just hard

[proven osprey]

You do have less room for mistakes tbf

And spamming special from a distance won't always cut it

[valid dagger]

Yeye

I remember my first Guan yu attempts

At 50

I think I died like 20 times in Tartarus

Once it gets going it feels pretty gud

[proper furnace]

Shared suffering cant crit but the attack crit helps for the huge dmg for SS which bypass the shield, also vid isnt mine

From Pseudo (speedrun-modding server)

[cerulean musk]

If i sell Athena special after getting merciful end, will my divine dash still trigger doom?

[plain river]

Yes

Your deflect abilities trigger doom, not specifically the special

its just that athena attack or special are prerequisites to pick up the duo

[cerulean musk]

Thanks

[plain river]

piercing, ricochet, or explosive fire?

[lucid oar]

Aspect?

First or second hammer?

[plain river]

first hammer

on eris

[valid dagger]

They're all pretty awful

You'll probably take Explosive or Piercing

[plain river]

kinda feeling explosive, yeah

[proper wharf]

If you get explosive and take flat dmg on attack, does every victim of the explosion proc the flat dmg, or just the target aimed at?

[plain river]

depends on the flat damage I think

think doom and dio would

but zeus attack kind of already does that by itsself anyways

[unreal tree]

Reset

[valid dagger]

The correct choice

[cunning urchin]

Explosive stuns enemies. Stunned enemies don't attack. Enemies that don't attack don't take damage from Jolted.

[valid dagger]

Explosive slows them down

It does not stun

[cunning urchin]

Slowed enemies attack less.

[valid dagger]

Practically it's not noticeable

Atleast not enough to make any significant impact on your overall dps

[floral drift]

What are the best boons for aspect of Achilles varatha?

[plain river]

Aphrodite special and artemis attack + heart rend duo boon worked well for me but something else probably works better

[floral drift]

What about Daedalus hammers?

[plain river]

Flurry jab is one of the recommended ones I think?

[strange lark]

yeah

https://docs.google.com/document/d/18uZziGYDyVCwc-XgcveoY8MXp6Lwq0BD6xDV38cuYWo/edit?usp=sharing

good guide

for achille

s

[floral drift]

How does the cycle work if I have 5 dashes?

[acoustic vale]

Imagine if Arthur had access to long knuckle. Obviously what it needs is even more range right?

[hallow geyser]

Artemis attack, Demeter or Ares on cast, get hunting blade or crystal clarity duo, Aphrodite on special is good

[valid dagger]

The Special is irrelevant

You use it as a duo opener not something you shoot for

Artemis Attack is stronger with either of those builds

And overall it’s better to just start Tidal dash

[hallow geyser]

I meant attack put special by mistake

[turbid needle]

does anyone have a build for lucifer or suggestions on how to play the weapon. can't deal with it.

[valid dagger]

Build it like Eris

[plain river]

Or… grab pos attack, zeus whatever, sea storm, water gun, much splooshing

[west yacht]

what's better at high heat chaos or zeus aspect?

[plain river]

I’d never take chaos over zeus

Ever

personal preference but also just zeus is better so

[west yacht]

oke thanks

[ocean oar]

Any god recommendations for zagreus fists? im thinking zeus might work nicely

[plain river]

Ares attack + athena special + merciless end comes to mind

[proper furnace]

Zeus works well ye

[proper wharf]

More for fun than recommended but I do like using plume with zag fists plus hermes boons to gain extremely high dodge chance.
Becomes effectively a multiplier for your max health

[ocean oar]

cool im gonna try all of them as all sound fun, thanks people

[void dagger]

Hey folks

For those of you who like to play with the Chiron bow, which Special do you prefer?

I have decided to go with Aphrodite on Attacks since it doesn't benefit from multiple applications but for the special I'm not so sure.

Both Dionysus and Demeter sound great with the 40% status curse effect whereas Artemis has a ton of crit which does 300% damage instead of 100%.

[proper furnace]

Dio works well, artemis works well, poseidon is nice (but sea storm helps a lot here)

On artemis you dont use priv status

Swap to the alt skill

[void dagger]

What about Demeter on the Special?

1-tap nearly completely slowed bosses is really easy to play with from my experience

But the other boons don't offer much

Also, what Keepsake do you start with ?

[valid dagger]

Dio or Artemis

[valid dagger]

Weak compared to other options

[void dagger]

Alright

The issue with Artemis is that it's hard to get a second status curse effect

What Keepsakes do you pick?

[valid dagger]

Don't run pstatus

Family Favorite is stronger in such a build

[void dagger]

I'm still inexperienced but, from what I see it's a good idea to pick Aphrodite or Dionysus as a first Keepsake to guarantee one of their buffs, right ?

[valid dagger]

That depends on a lot of things, it's not always correct, sometimes it's not even viable

[void dagger]

Well RNG can always screw you over but I guess picking either one leads to more consistency.

[valid dagger]

That is true but it's not likely in the scenario in question here

It's a literal priority boon

You're very likely to get it

And if not you can roll once

[void dagger]

I see

[valid dagger]

And back to the pstatus thing, it forces you to go out of your way to get curses to proc it, it's not worth it on a lot of builds, Family Favorite is an unconditional substantial boost that you can get consistently every run

[void dagger]

I can almost always get status curse effects with re-rolling

[valid dagger]

Sure, but it's not always worth doing that

And sometimes it's a pain to apply them

[void dagger]

What Keepsakes would you recommend picking at each stage ?

Sure

That's true

[valid dagger]

For Chiron specifically?

[void dagger]

yes

[valid dagger]

Start with Dio then take Aphro in Asphodel, Acorn for Elysium and Styx

[void dagger]

Over Spiked Collar ?

[west yacht]

what are the most viable aspects for high heat?

[void dagger]

I'm still relatively bad at the game so I get hit pretty often.

30h playtime, 80% of that with Chiron and having beaten heat 8

avoiding 5 hits is better than 50hp?

[proper furnace]

5 hits from heroes/dad is gonna be a lot more hp than 50

[valid dagger]

Yes

[valid dagger]

Define "high heat"

[west yacht]

as high as possible

[void dagger]

Most people consider high heat something over 30

From what I've read on Reddit

[valid dagger]

That doesn't really help, when people here refer to High heat they are usually talking about 32 or more, up until 40-45 heat everything is quite viable, not equally

Each weapon usually has 1 or 2 that are superior to the rest at that point

[void dagger]

Sure but the 50hp is actually 50+3x25=125hp

[west yacht]

which ones then

[void dagger]

I never proc death defiance prior to daddy

[valid dagger]

It would probably be something like Nemesis, Zeus Shield, Beowulf, Rama, Zag Bow, Demeter Fists, Achilles, Guan Yu, Eris Hestia

[west yacht]

tenkiu

[valid dagger]

Again, not to say that the rest is bad, those are just regarded as the top end, usually around the 45-50+ mark

[valid dagger]

Acorn will just help you do that more consistently, and at higher heats where the hp from Collar isnt a lot, Collar might still be viable for you, but Acorn is considered the best tanking keepsake for Heroes and non-EM Hades

Tooth also a very nice option, and can get usage in rooms if they're difficult enough

[void dagger]

Alright, I'll try it out and see how it goes!

Thanks for the help 🙂

[valid dagger]

glhf

[turbid needle]

No Chance with this Aspect. Finished with all weapons but this one is no Fun for me 😩

[plain river]

Lucifer is so fun though what

Just drink the sea storm water gun juice

[proper furnace]

And suffer when sea storm doesnt appear

[random relic]

absolutely chaos. chaos is by far the best shield aspect and dont let anyone tell you otherwise. chaos has no downsides, while zeus does have a downside, and its that your special moves slower. being able to actually deal damage with your special is completely irrelevant if its slow and impossible to use, but having more specials is clearly better. what even is a "blitz disc" anyway? what a terrible name. "bonus shields" is the stuff im after. just think how much cooler it is to be able to throw 6 shields at once like captain america compared to just lazily sliding your shield along the ground. and dont even get me started on the design of the shields. the aspect of chaos' design on the shield is clearly surperior, because it is one big eye, while zeus has two small eyes. who doesnt like big eyes? not me! and also, chaos (the character) is just objectively cooler and more egg than zeus, who is neither cool nor egg. this is why the aspect of zeus on aegis, the shield of chaos, is clearly worse than the aspect of chaos on aegis, the shield of chaos. i mean, the aspect is even named after the original owner of the shield! it clearly gets bonus points for that. beowulf is even worse. its way too slow and doesnt deal any damage whatsoever. i tested the dps of beowulf vs chaos shield on skelly and determined that chaos shield was actually way faster and was clearly easier to use. and realistically, the size of beowulfs cast makes it almost impossible to use. its so small that youd never see any real use of it. chaos shield on the other hand is so versatile with its shield throwing ability that goes much farther. the special on beowulf is absolute trash in comparison, and thats something you should really consider when choosing which aspect is better. the best cast, normally (slicing shot) is somehow terrible on beo and i dont even want to try any of the other casts for fear of how bad they are. zagreus is just boring. who thought adding more damage would be more fun?

[plain river]

Hmm

I’m sensing bias based on your name

also calling zeus shield impossible to use

[chilly garnet]

I do enjoy the chaos shield mechanic, I just wish it were stronger. Maybe if it came with something like built-in sudden rush or charged shot

And Chaos talking to you occasionally while using chaos shield is S rank flavor

[random relic]

my name is based on the objective fact that is in my name

[plain river]

I’d say it’s a very, very subjective and incorrect piece of info

[random relic]

incorrect? im not sure where you are getting your information from

[strange lark]

add something about beo being way too slow to use and dealing no damage

[plain river]

And zag shield being boring and not adding anything cool to the weapon

[cunning urchin]

Maybe Chaos Aspect would be better if the shields spread in a star shape instead of a v shape.

[plain river]

Maybe it’d be stronger if it was just stronger

Homing chaos shields

[cunning urchin]

For reference, that's how it behaved in Early Access when it was #1 on the tier lists.

[random relic]

thats a good point

ok i added more information to the paragraph

[plain river]

beautiful

[random relic]

im glad i can educate misinformed people

[cunning urchin]

zagreus aspect is just boring. who thought adding more damage would be fun?
Could change that to "zagreus aspect is just boring, what's the point of adding damage resistance on a shield?"

Since that's what it did for a while in Early Access.

[random relic]

well i mean it doesnt do that anymore

[cunning urchin]

Exactly.

[proper furnace]

wait it gave dmg resistance?

huh

[cunning urchin]

See? That's why you should change it.

[random relic]

i dont get it

besides im like on the cusp of the 2k character limit lol

at 1997

[hallow geyser]

Is Beowulf a joke for you?

+Zeus is much better than chaos

Chaos feels like you don't have an aspect

[strange lark]

me when the

joke

[random relic]

have you even tried all of the shield aspects? chaos is the best in nearly every way imagineable

i didnt mention it earlier but beowulf has another downside and its that you cant get a damage boost from boiling blood like you can with other aspects

[hallow geyser]

With all aspects boiling blood isn't used that much

Like nearly only sword

That isn't really a downside

[proper furnace]

I use it on every weapon

[valid dagger]

You should actually use it on every weapon

Almost every weapon has something that can scale pretty well off of it

[cunning urchin]

||It's a meme post.||

[hallow geyser]

Sounded real for me

[hallow geyser]

I use it but mostly on bosses where I can have a chance with no crowds, use it like not so often in normal encounters because I feel like I kinda ruin my attack sequence

Depending on the enemies and the situation

[strange lark]

its good on beo

[proper furnace]

I think abyssal is better

[hallow geyser]

Both are as useless

[strange lark]

oh damn really

[random relic]

nah boiling blood is very useful, especially when you can cancel it into something else

[dreamy prism]

wtf I'm shaking and crying

[proven osprey]

Don't worry it's memeing

[dreamy prism]

no it's not I just used beowulf at 0 heat and lost in tartarus

this would never happen with chaos shield

[hallow geyser]

Happens to everyone away from the joking

Because like Beowulf is really different that you will die when you use it at the beginning

But not 0 heat tbh

[strange lark]

i die in tartarus all the time

because i reset

[dreamy prism]

semirelated but why is the modded quick reset thing so hard to do

I swear it takes me 10 seconds of pressing the key combo

[strange lark]

keys will ghost you if they are pressed at the same time and are close together

[random relic]

i always forget what it is when i need to reset and cant find it anywhere so i just reset the normal way lmao

[valid dagger]

It's not active by default

[cunning urchin]

They added delay to the quick reset mod because there was some kind of glitch without it that could happen sometimes, I don't remember the details.

[lucid oar]

I just mash every button on my controller

[cunning urchin]

Bruh.

[frosty canyon]

whats the best build for arthur?

[feral night]

aphrodite attack, shadow slash and/or breaching slash, either hyper sprint+rush delivery or swift strike

[frosty canyon]

ok ty

[umbral kernel]

What should you be using on the aspect of lucifer exa?

[umbral kernel]

Also would like to know if there's a site of some sort for these things, or is my best bet just asking here?

[cunning urchin]

This a very decent general guide for all the aspects. https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide

[ocean oar]

ive been using this as a guideline, very helpful!

[cunning urchin]

Good understanding of meta builds and some off-meta ones.

[plain river]

Merciless end is good on any malphon aspect yes?

[proper furnace]

ye

[plain river]

Which hammers = good on gilgamesh

[dreamy prism]

breaching is still the best

[plain river]

and as secondary hammers which ones are good?

[lucid oar]

Rush kick I think

[plain river]

And I am at a loss as to what to build, merciless end comes to mind but I also want weaken so I don’t die upon getting hit

[dreamy prism]

ME works on gilga since it has built in +1 dash

I'd say it's the best ME fist if you get it, if you don't get it then dem wins due to beefy athena specials

your other option is aphro attack

[plain river]

so doom strike deflect flourish?

[dreamy prism]

and ddash of course

it's a highroll build by definition and if you don't get ME you're kinda screwed on gilga

[proper furnace]

*+2

but is gilga dashes so might as well be 1

[dreamy prism]

wait

you RR on gilga right

[proper furnace]

yup

[dreamy prism]

so it's effectively +1

[proper furnace]

ye ye

[plain river]

Ruthless reflex it is then?

[proper furnace]

yup

[dreamy prism]

always

[lucid oar]

+1 but you also get common rd

[proper furnace]

and dodge chance

[dreamy prism]

but RD sucks

[plain river]

Priviledged status or the other one

[proper furnace]

fam fav

[lucid oar]

Rd epic

[dreamy prism]

on ME the build is so stupidly highroll you should FF up

unless you wanted to roll for blinding flash lol

[plain river]

Is what you get from rerolls seeded?

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

[plain river]

On my way to kill the most annoying spear user without doom strike because I can’t bloody find it

I’ve found it… but its common

[proper furnace]

better than no doom

force dem for rare crop

[plain river]

Everything is dying really fast regardless

With the little caviot that this is 1 heat because darkness run but

[plain river]

Hehe chamber 4 and I already have aphro attack, purple artemis flourish and relentless volley on chiron

So +90% damage

ended up getting rare crop on my special right before furies so it wasn't at peak efficiency but my luck this run is through the roof

strolling up to lernie with a level 8 artemis flourish on chiron

[dreamy prism]

tbh poms on arty special for chiron are obviously good but also kinda meh

[plain river]

yeah level 8 red arte flourish being +151% damage is kinda underwhelming

although

with concentrated and relentless volley

everything is dying either way

[dreamy prism]

damn

got heart rend?

[short sapphire]

Zeus shield with Athena special + ares attack + merciful end

[plain river]

Why is rush delivery good? It seems like it wouldn’t be

like

[strange lark]

more movespeed more damage

hyper sprint 100% movespeed

common rd 50% damage based on movespeed

[plain river]

For half a second

[strange lark]

thats good

like

on all weapons

[dreamy prism]

trust me it's active way more than it seems

it's completely broken

[plain river]

I guess it just sounds lacklustre then

[strange lark]

its pretty decent

[proper furnace]

And makes ichors an amazing thing to buy

[strange lark]

movespeed may or may not be multiplicative

so buying ichors and other movespeed items might be good

[clever phoenix]

also sturdy effect is also very good

30% damage reduction + uninterrupable attacks is nothing to scoff at

[dreamy prism]

sturdy sucks because I accidentally sturdy myself while trying to kill myself with elysium eggs

[clever phoenix]

what

[random relic]

to reset sd

[clever phoenix]

ah

well killing yourself slower isn't a bad thing in runs

right

or no

[random relic]

no, its bad if youre trying to reset sd

but in no other situation is it bad

[plain river]

killing yourself in elysium?

[random relic]

yeah

its pretty normal lol

[dreamy prism]

I kill myself at the start of every encounter to proc blood frenzy smh

[random relic]

lmao

[tight basin]

killing yourself before you exit the room is pretty standard when using sd lol

if you're using lc4, your only way to "regen" health without any aspect gimmicks is by sd

guan yu and draining cutter also allows for health regen iirc tho

[dreamy prism]

guan yu, cursed slash, draining cutter, hearts, darkness, stubborn roots

I think are the only health sources otherwise

[tight basin]

oh right i forgot about actual run related things lmao i was only thinking weapons

[dreamy prism]

I actually randomly picked up stubborn roots early in my lucifer 50 attempt

it's less impressive than I thought it would be

[random relic]

indeed

probably makes up like 1 hit in bosses

so not terrible but certainly not game breaking

[tight basin]

you might as well grab it if the other 2 options aren't great lol

[dreamy prism]

yeah

I sold it near the end of styx which was unironically nice

[tight basin]

what are some tips for going faster on chiron? in my last run i nearly timed out on the furies and finished elysium as soon as the time hit 0
i ended up going into hades with 2:40 remaining but since i had to go faster in the rooms before i had used most of my DD's already and promptly died on the 2nd phase

feels bad throwing the run with low tolerance, sweet nectar, and curse of nausea

[plain river]

just copy what I put in victory boasting earlier today 1:1

#h1-victory-boasting message

[dreamy prism]

aphro attack dio special is one of the ways to speed up chiron

[plain river]

very easy and not luck dependent at all, definitely

[tight basin]

that's what i was running

[plain river]

yup aphro attack and dio special sounds about right for chiron

max level I assume?

[dreamy prism]

were you using 2-3 specials per mark usually?

[tight basin]

granted i wasn't able to get PS running until asphodel so that's why my tartarus was slow but i did have curse of nausea for the furies fight

[tight basin]

yes

[dreamy prism]

with dio special you want to do 1-2

[tight basin]

got faster special from hermes so i could slip in a 4th occasionally

ah

[dreamy prism]

since hangover will do the dirty work

wanna spread stacks to every enemy asap

[tight basin]

i didn't get a lot of poms tho and only had lvl 2 special for most of the run

would 2 shots still be able to clear most enemies?

[dreamy prism]

yep that's the issue, dio chiron needs poms

[tight basin]

great i got slapped by no pom rng

[dreamy prism]

lol yep

just get a feel for when to 1 special and when to 2 special

assume you were marking via dstrike always

[tight basin]

mostly yeah

so i just need to learn my break points

[dreamy prism]

yep

you shouldn't expect to get PS running before aspho so that's not the issue

[tight basin]

learn break points and get better rng with poms

[tight basin]

fair enough

[dreamy prism]

any good hammers?

[tight basin]

not really

[plain river]

piercing shortens special distance doesn't it

[dreamy prism]

slightly

I still like it but some people swear against it

[tight basin]

point blank, forgot the second one i got
bought the anvil hoping to get something useful then got slapped by exploding shot and piercing

and lost point blank from that lol

[dreamy prism]

if you're unethical like me you can save scum anvil

not on modded tho that corrupts your save sometimes

[tight basin]

i thought about it lmao

[plain river]

save scumming can corrupt your save who knew

[tight basin]

then i figured "whatever piercing isn't that bad" and then i realized that exploding shot is really bad

[dreamy prism]

on unmodded it never gives issues

something about speedrun mod causes problems though

[tight basin]

you can save scum if you forget a fish lmao

[dreamy prism]

eh I'm actually somewhat partial to exploding chiron

it gives some aoe which is always appreciated on the single most aoe lacking aspect in the game

[tight basin]

well i dont think it's bad the issue was that the hades fight was next so i didn't have any time to get used to it

[dreamy prism]

oh yeah exploding isn't the best vs dad

one trick with dio chiron is avoid/purge/take unpommable boons

dio chiron doesn't need much and scales mostly from low tolerance/curse of nausea/poms so that helps you with more levels

[tight basin]

true

[dreamy prism]

your pact wasn't interfering, correct?

nothing nasty like JS

[tight basin]

benefit packages probably hurt a bit

wait not that one

middle management

mini boss buff thingy

[dreamy prism]

meh

chiron doesn't have issues with MM really

in fact EM4 is valid for chiron 32+

bosses and minibosses are its specialty

[tight basin]

i dont know the meg placement for the tartarus explody miniboss

so that took a lot of time

[dreamy prism]

you pray and press summon at an arbitrary point in time

idk MM meg either

[tight basin]

the mini boss in styx with the giant satyr and big boi crystal sucked because they dodged meg

lost a dd there

[dreamy prism]

rip

chiron has a lot of issues with styx

[tight basin]

yeah

[dreamy prism]

tight spaces wreck havoc on wide arrow spread

[tight basin]

i had tidal dash but no breaking wave because i didn't see poseidon at all lmao

[dreamy prism]

well tidal dash better than nothing, excellent on chiron imo

[tight basin]

yeah it was good

[dreamy prism]

man now I'm tempted to try 50ing chiron

[tight basin]

lmao do it

[dreamy prism]

I'll probably try it for a few runs then remember why I don't play chiron anymore

[tight basin]

fair

i'm trying to work up my way to 32 heat bow so i'd have more than 1 weapon at 32 heat but chiron is going poorly lol

[lucid oar]

Chiron sucks

That’s why

[dreamy prism]

what's your other 32?

[tight basin]

might give hera a go instead of chiron even tho i like chiron more

[tight basin]

beo lmao

the easy way out

[dreamy prism]

hera's not kind at high heat from what I understand

[lucid oar]

It’s fine at 32

[tight basin]

it isn't but i think it'll be more well rounded for me

[lucid oar]

At 45+ it starts to feel awful

[dreamy prism]

yeah true since no need for the bad pacts

like RI DC JS

[lucid oar]

Yeah

[dreamy prism]

tbh just run gun

eris 32 is a big joke

no thinking required just hold down button

[tight basin]

i've never played eris lmao i'm still working on bounties with the rail and hestia is just the most mindless so i've been doing that

[dreamy prism]

why not 32 hestia then

it's not brainless but it's easy mode

[lucid oar]

Eris with delta chamber might be the easiest 32 heat weapon there is

[tight basin]

well i know that hestia is one of the easier ones so i'm not gonna do that

i already got an easy one with beo so i want a harder one

so bow

[dreamy prism]

lmao already cheesed too much with beo?

nice

arthur 32 is really fun tbh since it's low enough heat that arthur's strengths can shine

[lucid oar]

Rama 32 was fun

It’s a hard one to get used to

[tight basin]

i've only beat 32 heat with beo twice but that's only because i dont crank it up that high that often i just try to go fast with beo instead

[dreamy prism]

try 40 beo, it's a good learning experience

at high heat most aspects start to take on JS and beo is a great introduction to the marvels of JS3

[tight basin]

man 16 rama wasn't fun for me lmao i have no idea how triple shot works

[dreamy prism]

that reminds me I'm about to be really stupid https://i.imgur.com/okRvGXM.png

let's see how this goes

[lucid oar]

I really don’t like triple shot either lmao

Twin gang 😤

[dreamy prism]

twin gaming tbh

[tight basin]

when i first got my pacts i thought JS looked the most easy after DC because it was just more enemies i already knew how to kill lmao

[dreamy prism]

yo same

loved DC JS

[tight basin]

granted DC wasnt too big of a deal because i was using a lot of fists back then but JS hurt a bit but i was still pretty consistent

[dreamy prism]

oh my god I just tried to beat chamber 1 with arthur and attack at cursor off

what is this trainwreck how do console players use arthur

[tight basin]

press and pray

[dreamy prism]

https://i.imgur.com/5u8cThP.png bruh

taking the wrong aspect makes you see some really weird stuff

[tight basin]

lmao amazing

[lucid oar]

I’d recommend divine strike

[dreamy prism]

huh really

[lucid oar]

Unmodded record starts with it

[dreamy prism]

bet

[cunning urchin]

Quick Recovery.

[dreamy prism]

bruh rarity is so important on arthur

@lucid oar what do I do after that

[cunning urchin]

Win.

[dreamy prism]

bet

[lucid oar]

Just hit things and they’ll die idk

[dreamy prism]

citation needed

I just hit something and it didn't die

also how stupid is it to run abyssal

[lucid oar]

Do the lightning rod ap1 td3 highroll

[dreamy prism]

oh you know me and my love of highrolling

[lucid oar]

True

[cunning urchin]

I think Abyssal Blood is very underrated. But you'll notice missing the +50% boss damage on Excalibur.

[lucid oar]

Abyssal blood is insanely good on beowulf

[dreamy prism]

I think it's interchangeable honestly

[cunning urchin]

Sounds like a you problem. Can't relate.

My preferred Excalibur strategy is Crush Shot start.

[dreamy prism]

oh man am I an arthur apologist now

this aspect is so fun even at 50

[cunning urchin]

Can't relate.

[dreamy prism]

nvm lernie just ended my career

5min entering lernie was cool though

[cunning urchin]

I can't enjoy Excalibur when I turn on FO2.

[dreamy prism]

idk tbh

I can't relate to FO2 ruining arthur

[cunning urchin]

I just don't enjoy it.

[shell sleet]

based

[shell sleet]

based

[plain river]

On a scale from 1 to 10 how 4iq is doom attack on lucifer

[random relic]

doesnt sound particularly appesling

[unreal tree]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/908168128750567456.gif?size=48

[strange lark]

10

[random relic]

its like -9iq

way worse than lightning strike and theres no good way to proc ME lmfao

[lucid oar]

1 if You aren’t seeding for dire misfortune

2 if you are

[cunning urchin]

Curse of Agony + Dire Misfortune + Infinity Chamber = infinite Doom damage

[random relic]

+impending doom to make sure you get extra dire misfortune stacks

[lucid oar]

Infinite doom damage = never procs doom = enemy doesn’t die

[strange lark]

• curse of longing

[lucid oar]

Curse of longing is kinda like epic rd

In a way

For one hit

[random relic]

still havent got curse of longing lol

[plain river]

Didn’t end up going for it, ended up with zeus attack, I’ve tried to dodge athena so hard and it finally cornered me with athena in a room with no exits

[strange lark]

athena special is good

[plain river]

Hmm

I’ve ended up with the option of purple deadly flourish or purple true shot and I’m not sure which I want

[lucid oar]

Luci?

[plain river]

lucifer

[lucid oar]

Flourish

[random relic]

yeah

[strange lark]

take the third option

[plain river]

common arte aid

[lucid oar]

Support fire is CRACKED no cap

Get support fire if you can

[plain river]

Common arte aid was third option

[strange lark]

🗿

[plain river]

hmm, common electric shot, common zeus call, lightning rod or reroll 🤔

[lucid oar]

Rod

[strange lark]

rod

[plain river]

Should I force anyone for fourth god?

[strange lark]

if you dont have a dash yet get poseidon

[cunning urchin]

Infinity+1, I like the way you think.

[plain river]

Purp athena dash

[strange lark]

poseidon for heroic replacement

[plain river]

That was my idea with asking about doom strike lucifer

[cunning urchin]

But you did use caps.

rmacinty is a LIAR.

[plain river]

Would I have good odds for it?

[cunning urchin]

No.

[lucid oar]

[strange lark]

i was joking

[cunning urchin]

Crocodile tears.

[plain river]

alright

[lucid oar]

How does it feel that my new pb doesn’t have aphro

[cunning urchin]

https://i.imgur.com/W5NAKRF.jpg

[plain river]

Oh god

Wow

High roll hermes

Purple greater haste, purple greatest reflex, or purple flurry cast? Greater haste right?

[strange lark]

reflex

[lucid oar]

Dashes

[strange lark]

haste is ass

[plain river]

so no go for rush delivery with it?

[lucid oar]

TTTDOMEBNOH or smth

Dashes are op

[strange lark]

getting rush delivery with haste is some massive copium tbh

[cunning urchin]

rare+ Greatest Reflex > Hyper Sprint > common Greatest Reflex > anything else

[lucid oar]

40% maximum rush delivery isn’t anything to shout about

[valid dagger]

It can scale

Still would almost never take it over dashes

[cunning urchin]

It's nice enough, but something you settle for when you can't get Greatest Reflex or Hyper Sprint.

[plain river]

greatest reflex it is then… just remembered I have athena dash so might as well grab more dashes

[cunning urchin]

Greatest Reflex > Divine Dash

[lucid oar]

:pogofgreed:

[plain river]

this run is so high roll

[strange lark]

best way to play hades the video game

[lucid oar]

Speedrunners went from ultimate highroll to scraping the low roll barrel

“Beowulf needs trippy flare to sub 6”

“Lmao just use the shackle the whole way”

[strange lark]

beo needs thunder flare and more zeus boons to sub 6

[plain river]

Got my hypersprint anyhow

from a seperate boon*

I might as well have exclusive access with how much purple I’m seeing

[hallow geyser]

Depends on the weapon tbh

Sth like sword or fists u would take any extra dash

[strange lark]

whats a y dash

[plain river]

not zeus dash on sword

[hallow geyser]

Sth like Beowulf it is kinda useless to take dash that you can even use ruthless reflex

[hallow geyser]

I mean extra dashes not god dash

[strange lark]

you should always use the extra dash on beo

i only use ruthless reflex at 50 heat

[hallow geyser]

I use it tbh because I can't handle one dash