you just use passion flare + snow burst or another easy curse for priv status
#h1-builds-and-combat
proper furnace
strange lark
That's more 45+ imo
proper furnace
tho yeah if mirage wasnt a thing it wouldnt be nearly at fast
strange lark
Mirage ez to get tbh
proper furnace
but whatever, they arent patching it 
plain river
Learning about play higher than 10 heat is interesting
clever phoenix
Mirage ez to get tbh
yeah it's easy to get
easy to get when i'm running splash nem 
strange lark
proper furnace
me but playing eris
plain river
Just play zag rail it’s the best weapon
proper furnace
you mean budget eris?
strange lark
Gilgamesh is best weapon
plain river
I really like the gloves of which I can’t remember the name of right now but special hits + 5 times
proper furnace
Dem
clever phoenix
dem
proper furnace
eter
clever phoenix
talos best fist aspect
strange lark
Dementia
strange lark
talos best fist aspect
Worbsetl5
proper furnace
talos has sub 6 so maybe
strange lark
Zag spear was tied with eris does that mean it's the best spear aspect
clever phoenix
proper furnace
not when 185 has a sub 5 with achilles 
clever phoenix
nem has no sub 6 😔
strange lark
It does
It has like 4
Lap, 185, bablo, and maybe someone else
Ananke soon
Oh keepout
Guan yeezy
clever phoenix
im talking unmodded
strange lark
Unmodded is not real
plain river
Unmodded is not real
Unmodded is real and can hurt you
clever phoenix
it hurts me
everytime i play
all i see is barge barge barge vermin vermin vermin
gusty rapids
Lap, 185, bablo, and maybe someone else
tfw u have the nem wr but get forgotten...........................................
proper furnace
forgotten for the better weapon 😔
gusty rapids
i play most of the meta weps but nothing else
strange lark
F in chat for croven always getting bullied
dreamy prism
https://reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/v67fv0/heat_35_only_one_death_at_the_last_second_fists/ what in tarnation is this
mom pom styx with EM4 bruh
clever phoenix
https://reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/v67fv0/heat_35_only_one_death_at_the_...
that's a lot of boons
also level 4 heroic athena call
clever phoenix
did i see stubborn roots
feral night
that is certainly a build
and pact, too
lc0 js3 cp2 uc0 td0 with ruthless reflex, death defiance, golden touch, and fated authority
wow
dreamy prism
fists main moment tbh
feral night
gilga > all
tranquil karma
I legitimately got possibly the best build I could've ever obtained
Lucky Tooth
Aspect of Talos
Quake Cutter, Long Knuckles
Ignited Ichor, Prometheus Stone
Enshrouded Grasp
Frost Strike lv2, Demeter's Aid
Heartbreak Flourish lv2, Sweet Surrender, Empty Inside Electric Shot lv2
Drunken Dash lv2, Numbing Sensation, Strong Drink
Hunter Instinct, Pressure Points, Clean Kill
Quick Favor, Swift Strike
I have all of these and the only chamber left is ||Big Man|| so I'm quite confident
And I've got full godhood and all three Death Defiances
proper furnace
godhood as in 80% dmg resistance from god mode?
tranquil karma
Ye
proper furnace
first time i've seen someone maxed it
tranquil karma
I ground out some insta-deaths to get it full
I've also got 275 HP this run
Completed ||Phase 1||, still have all four DDs and 80 HP left!
proper furnace
no need to spoiler mark here btw
tawny grove
congrats
tranquil karma
Thanks!
dreamy prism
corngrats!
tranquil karma
Now it's time for Exagryph
thick trench
Do chaos boons
affect
the shackle
that gives you 100% dmg
if you have no boons on attack
cunning urchin
Nope.
thick trench
Or hermes?
cunning urchin
Nope.
Only core boons.
As in, only boons that actually go into your Attack, Special, or Cast slot.
The 5 slots are your core boons.
worn bluff
What's the super soaker build I've heard about?
proper furnace
Lucifer rail, tempest strike, zeus for sea storm
Wall slam boons gud and shoals/jolted/etc gud too
proper furnace
Yup
The 8 curses are exposed, weak, hangover, rupture, marked, doom, jolted, chill
worn bluff
Perfect thanks
plain river
Maimed isn’t a curse?
plain river
Niether is the talos magnet then?
proper furnace
Yup
plain river
Interesting
I’ve had some weird encounters using rama with shared suffering
Like I had 3 enemies in a line and they all had shared suffering but I don’t think it registered my attack hitting all 3
Dash striking feels so much better on rama
rare topaz
For the prophecy ig?
Nope, just took it bc it was available
It paid off tho bc it got up to legendary
So I was able to fire my cast and get it back like right after
proper furnace
That one is greater recall
Quick reload is nice (tho if is not a cast build i dont like it as much cuz i need to re apply boiling blood more often)
proper furnace
True shot momenr
rare topaz
Is it the highest damage or smth?
valid dagger
Crush Shot has amazing base damage + pom scaling, good aoe, and if you miss it just stops where the arrow lands, instead of drifting like Phalanx or Flood shot, so it's easy to cast manage
You can read this guide to get an idea of what else you should look for
valid dagger
You can also watch vods to see what other players do differently than you, and try to implement that in your runs, Hera is a fun aspect
rare topaz
Mmmm I see how good this is already
And eh I don't rly enjoy vods but I appreciate the tip, if I ever find myself stuck on a run it'll be good to check some out
valid dagger
Mmmm I see how good this is already
Yea Crush shot with 1-2 poms solves most of Tartarus
rare topaz
Ah uff I messed up
valid dagger
Obviously dont turn down more poms but you get the idea
rare topaz
Time to restart
valid dagger
What did you do lol
rare topaz
Didn't take the blessing that lets you like
recharge the stones
Instead of picking them up
cunning urchin
Yeah.
rare topaz
Oh
valid dagger
Infernal on Crush shot hera is superior
cunning urchin
Waaay better.
valid dagger
you need 2-3 for the beefier stuff and bosses
cunning urchin
Stygian takes 3 seconds to recharge. Infernal drops immediately when you kill the enemy and you can pick it up right away and keep shooting.
And a decent Hera build one-shots near everything.
rare topaz
Perfect Shot or Chain Shot?
valid dagger
Whats the third
cunning urchin
And the things you don't kill in one shot, you kill in two.
rare topaz
Charged Volley lol but it does link to prophecy
cunning urchin
Perfect is decent enough.
rare topaz
Stygian takes 3 seconds to recharge. Infernal drops immediately when you kill th...
That's true
rare topaz
Yeah
Chain Shot is tempting bc like, my timing with perfect shots might not
be
perfect :)
but yeah
valid dagger
Perfect blocks Flurry which is kinda sad, but it depends on how used to Flurry you are, you also dont powershot too often with Hera, so I might pick Chain there
Although if you lack damage and your casts are stuck you'll be powershotting
rare topaz
Tough choice
valid dagger
Eh it's no big deal just roll with it for now
Hera not really hammer reliant for when you just want clears
cunning urchin
Perfect Shot can add a decent chunk of damage when it matters. Chain barely does anything at all.
Twin + Flurry > Triple >> Point-Blank > Perfect >> whatever
I'd say.
rare topaz
Can't, he came up
valid dagger
Vintage or Strong drink if you do come across him
rare topaz
Dash, Aid and After Party
rare topaz
:D
cunning urchin
I dunno if I'd grab his Aid on Hera tbh. Might hurt more than it helps. I guess it's not bad, though, just not convinced it's optimal.
valid dagger
I wouldn't grab it either ngl
rare topaz
Zeus is on my path rn
cunning urchin
Won't really do anything in normal encounters and barely matters in boss encounters with the high burst damage.
cunning urchin
Zeus is on my path rn
Skip.
valid dagger
You're usually looking for Artemis and Demeter mainly, and maybe Poseidon if you can open Mirage
rare topaz
Thunder Dash tho yuppiiii
cunning urchin
Thunder Dash tho yuppiiii
Noooooo.
rare topaz
Also Lightning Reflexes and Clouded Judgment
cunning urchin
Urgh.
rare topaz
Unlucky, but also
cunning urchin
Dash, Aid and After Party
After Party best pick tbh because that can't be pommed.
valid dagger
scuffed god pool
rare topaz
Y'all weighed on Dio way too late btw
rare topaz
Aid is good
I already took this after that lol
cunning urchin
m giving you advice for the future.
Boons that can't be pommed means better odds to get poms on your Cast.
rare topaz
m giving you advice for the future. <:dusa:522248771409543188>
Bet
cunning urchin
The more pommable boons you pick up, the harder it is to get poms on your Cast.
rare topaz
True
valid dagger
cunning urchin
Your standards for what's "good" might be very different from mine.
cunning urchin
I don't follow a meta
But we put in a lot of research and playtime to establish it for y'all to follow.
cunning urchin
Oh no.
rare topaz
Divine Flourish on bow is pretty nice, Bronze Skin and Holy Shield too
cunning urchin
That means your 4-god pool is full, and 3 of them are not who you want to see.
rare topaz
But we put in a lot of research and playtime to establish it for y'all to follow...
I never follow metas even in the most competitive games. Unconventionality! But I do use them as guidelines if I'm lost.
rare topaz
That means your 4-god pool is full, and 3 of them are not who you want to see. <...
Even if I use keepsakes?
cunning urchin
That'll make it a 5-god pool.
Which still means bad odds to see the gods that you want.
rare topaz
But better than no odds.
👀
I'll take Divine Flourish for the huge AoE deflect. Agreed?
I think Bronze Skin and Holy Shield can be upgraded so no use avoiding it
valid dagger
||When playing Hera you will forget you have a Special||
rare topaz
what is that spoiling
valid dagger
secret top tier tip
cunning urchin
I guess you could roll for Divine Strike to at least get some attack damage... then purge your Dash and Call asap.
rare topaz
I guess you could roll for Divine Strike to at least get some attack damage... t...
Fair
Yooo
Rare Divine Strike
RIP can't afford Aphro nor pom
cunning urchin
Now hope for Blinding Flash and Parting Shot, that'll add some Cast damage to your backstabs at least.
rare topaz
Oh yeah, true!
cunning urchin
You're in Tartarus still, yeah?
rare topaz
Yep
cunning urchin
Take the Frostbitten Horn into Asphodel and get Snow Burst from her. If she's not offering that, take Ravenous Will at least.
If she's not offering that either, roll.
strange arrow
But we put in a lot of research and playtime to establish it for y'all to follow...
i respect and appreciate that 
is there any document or something written so you guys won't have to type it out again and again for us? 
rare topaz
Rare Snow Burst!!!
cunning urchin
Nyaanyaa's Guide Compilation
Achilles Guide for Newbies:
#h1-discussion message
Guan Yu Guide: #h1-discussion message
Crush Shot Hera Guide: #h1-discussion message
Demeter Aspect Guide: #h1-builds-and-combat message
Nemesis Guide:
#h1-for-new-players message
Chiron Guide: #h1-builds-and-combat message
Cast Build Guide (for any Cast in general): #h1-builds-and-combat message
Crystal Clarity Guide: #h1-builds-and-combat message
Hammer Guide (all weapons):
#h1-for-new-players message
32 Heat Guide: #h1-high-heat-strategies message
40 Heat Guide:
#h1-high-heat-strategies message
Fishing Guide: #h1-for-new-players message
Practice Saves Guide: #h1-high-heat-strategies message
Newbie Build Guide: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2233472883
Final Boss Tactics Guide: https://docs.google.com/document/d/137Vqe-8fvStMJ_HMlBKWwq3SVdoOED0lOpBBSmgGwtQ/edit?usp=sharing
Nectar & Ambrosia Guide: https://twitter.com/dianaii__/status/1336090118218801153
That's the ones I've written here. There's also a bounch of other guides like...
cunning urchin
What chamber are you in?
strange arrow
**Nyaanyaa's Guide Compilation**
Achilles Guide for Newbies:
https://discord.com...
i'll be sure to check those out, much obliged!
cunning urchin
I'd probably go for Lord Hermes and roll for Quick Reload.
rare topaz
I have base quick reload
cunning urchin
Take that.
cunning urchin
Oh, then go and hope for legendary or Greatest Reflex or Hyper Sprint.
cunning urchin
See, that's why we pick Refreshing Nectar.
rare topaz
vs Greater Haste and Side Hustle, so
No brainer
Ye
And I still have 2 uses of it
So inshallah next time it's Demeter
cunning urchin
You want Killing Freeze from her ideally, but Ravenous Will is fine, too.
Other than that, mainly just poms.
On Cast or on Snow Burst.
cunning urchin
i'll be sure to check those out, much obliged!
Aside from guides, you can also have a look at the high heat leaderboard that's pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies for lots of ideas. 50+ tends to be extremely restrictive, though, so the builds there aren't optimal for lower heats but mainly just to handle the particular limitations at 50+.
cunning urchin
Hello Acorn
Actually, Bone Hourglass if it's not too late.
strange arrow
oh that is a channel alright
cunning urchin
Check every Well of Charon for extra ammo and cast damage.
valid dagger
banned
cunning urchin
Lady Demeter.
rare topaz
Actually, Bone Hourglass if it's not too late. <:dusa:522248771409543188>
It's Elysium I won't risk it ;-;
Still very rusty
cunning urchin
It's Elysium I won't risk it ;-;
It's not a risk.
rare topaz
Lady Demeter.
You got it
cunning urchin
Bone Hourglass is ridiculously strong on Hera.
rare topaz
Frost Flourish, Killing Freeze or Nourished Soul?
cunning urchin
Even if you somehow get unlucky and don't get any +1 ammo, Cast damage, Attack damage, Armor damage... you'll still find stuff like HydraLite or Ignited Ichor and benefit a lot from that.
Killing Freeze.
rare topaz
Bone Hourglass is ridiculously strong on Hera.
I wish I took it then. Is it too late after Elysium?
rare topaz
Killing Freeze.
Bet
cunning urchin
Ehhhh, check the Well after Elysium, and if you see something good, you can grab the Hourglass.
cunning urchin
If you don't, might as well keep the Acorn on.
rare topaz
If you don't, might as well keep the Acorn on.
You got it
cunning urchin
Nah, grab the hammer tbh.
rare topaz
Oh?
cunning urchin
You already have Snow Burst and Killing Freeze.
rare topaz
Sure
cunning urchin
Don't wanna miss out on getting second hammer because you kept pushing it. Twin or Triple would be really strong.
cunning urchin
Alright, time to shotgun all the big guys.
rare topaz
Heartbreak Flourish, Parting Shot, and Smoldering Air
cunning urchin
Like... something like Flurry Slash on sword might be actively harmful, but it least that's an actual effect.
rare topaz
Tempted to take Smoldering Air because
cunning urchin
Smair.
cunning urchin
Smair is never not the right pick tbh.
rare topaz
Haha
random relic
Sniper Shot is a contender for most useless hammers in the game.
seeking fire?
cunning urchin
seeking fire?
No, that actually does do +10% damage.
random relic
i mean you might get the 150% from sniper shot occasionally
cunning urchin
Crush Shot pom or Snow Burst/
I mean the numbers should be pretty obvious when you see both lol.
rare topaz
ye
cunning urchin
i mean you might get the 150% from sniper shot occasionally
No.
random relic
i said maybe
cunning urchin
No.
random relic
and besides, 10% of 18 just makes it... 20? thats an increase that does absolutely nothing
cunning urchin
2 is more than 0.
random relic
as you yourself said, it doesnt matter if the number of hits to kill is the same
rare topaz
Arctic Blast, Frost Flourish, Frozen Touch or reroll?
cunning urchin
Roll.
random relic
and literally almost none of your damage comes from the actual bullet anyway, its mostly chain lightning + jolted + special
rare topaz
I really want Arctic Blast, but also an easier way to apply Chill that doesn't involve me getting too close to enemies
cunning urchin
Arctic Blast doesn't do anything for you tbh.
cunning urchin
No.
rare topaz
but it could affect crush
cunning urchin
No.
rare topaz
wait do all of them become common?
cunning urchin
Rare Crop is just pointless tbh. What are the other options?
rare topaz
Frost Flourish and Nourished Soul
cunning urchin
Errr... Nourished Soul.
rare topaz
100%?
cunning urchin
Free HP and can't be pommed. Yay.
random relic
well i mean they all suck tbh
rare topaz
I used to pick Rare Crop all the time, why does it suck now?
I'd appreciate an explanation
random relic
its good if you dont have a lot of boons
eg early on in the run
later though, its just hoping it hits the ones you want
rare topaz
Fair
cunning urchin
Crush Shot doesn't care for rarity anyway.
cunning urchin
And you'd just end up potentially lowering damage before you potentially add a bit of damage in like the last few chambers... net benefit kinda close to zero there if it's that late.
Nourished Soul vs Rare Crop probably don't matter too much at this point, but in RTA I'd definitely just default to Nourished Soul.
Especially when playing hyper-aggressive like I normally do with Hera, might as well pick up a free healing boost if the other offers don't matter anyway.
Helps keep up High Confidence.
rare topaz
Aphro or Pom?
rare topaz
Nourished Soul vs Rare Crop probably don't matter too much at this point, but in...
Completely fair
cunning urchin
Best boon in the game.
rare topaz
Kinda useless
Oh?
So cast takes prio over arrow then, gotcha
Yay prophecy time
Drunken Flourish, Positive Outlook and Premium Vintage
Premium Vintage methinks
cunning urchin
You can undershoot your arrow to hit with your cast first, plus it applies to any other enemy in the blast radius.
cunning urchin
Premium Vintage methinks
Yep!
rare topaz
You can undershoot your arrow to hit with your cast first, plus it applies to an...
Ahhhh makes sense
rare topaz
Bahahaha
I have a really effective burst
Snow Burst + Dio's Aid + Smoldering Air very easily and very often applies Privileged Status
After which I can triple cast Hera
With Perfect Shot
WHEW
Also uh
Bone Hourglass is useless for me because I have it at tier 1
I'll upgrade it next run
cunning urchin
Ah.
rare topaz
Hopefully I can win
I'm actually doing this at ||0 heat||
Bc there's a reward I don't have at that tier haha
random relic
honestly hourglass is still really good at level 1
rare topaz
3 Poms in shop
700 obols total for them
And a 500 cost Hermes
And a Pom door, and an Aphro door, and a Dem door, and an obol door
Sheesh
rare topaz
honestly hourglass is still really good at level 1
Probably
cunning urchin
Lady Aphrodite first.
rare topaz
ye
cunning urchin
Hopefully I can win
Should be a breeze.
rare topaz
Should be a breeze. <:dusa:522248771409543188>
Inshallah 
cunning urchin
Like you can literally just load your Casts, shoot him, repeat, mash Call the whole time doing that.
You'd have to probably try very hard to not kill him long before he can kill you.
strange arrow
i feel so stupid that i didn't think to use the Calls as iframes
rare topaz
You'd have to probably try very hard to not kill him long before he can kill you...
True
Also, Empty Inside?
There's Heartbreak Flourish and Broken Resolve too but yeah
Also I'm gonna quit for today since electricity went out haha
Ooor should I reroll?
It is my last reroll tho
cunning urchin
Roll.
rare topaz
Bet
cunning urchin
Broken Resolve is quite nice, though.
cunning urchin
I told you m her high priestess.
rare topaz
If I'd taken Heartbreak Flourish before
I'd have a way to apply Charm before using Cast
But this is still good
cunning urchin
This is better.
rare topaz
Ye
Right, I quit. I'll continue tomorrow, bc electricity
Tysm for the help @cunning urchin @valid dagger @random relic
cunning urchin
plain river
Can you power shot on kinetic launcher for gauntlets?
plain river
I think its <= 20%
neat mauve
alright we're gonna try an anvil. this anvil has the power to completely turn me off or on to them for the rest of my hades career
currently have extending jab and m-spin on hades spear
now have extending jab, triple jab, and vicious skewer
huge L
valid dagger
I think its <= 20%
It's +25 additive damage
For a Kinetic Powershot
Rarely worth doing
steep elm
another anvil L to add to the list
narrow halo
What not to level ?
I have 40 blood heart
Is there weapons that are unnecessary to upgrade
proper furnace
Levels still helps for bosses, but you can solve it with quick reload (which just also gets better with hera lvls)
Zeus also doesnt need lvls as much
plain river
Guan yu is perfect and has no flaws at level 1
narrow halo
What about beowolf
The blasts seems the same size but I don’t know about the damage?
And lucifer special is pointless
spice raven
hello everyone i need an advice
so i just upgraded beowulf to max without ever playing it, does the playstyle differ from other shields? what build do you recommend
proper furnace
What about beowolf
Beowulf for just clears is prob not worth leveling, but it can help to reach breakpoints (and if paired with Cshot, artemis attack can be some great supplementary dmg)
Also.lvls dont increase blast of the cast if that what you mean
But the area of the bullrush with loaded casts
proper furnace
so i just upgraded beowulf to max without ever playing it, does the playstyle di...
Beo uses cast builds basically, recommend swapping cast to a button shoulder on controller, not sure on kbm (or which one you play)
You can go poseidon cast, artemis core boon and go for mirage shot
Due to a bug on flares mirage doesnt apply to the 2nd cast created by it
There is also Aphro flare, use priv status on the mirror and grab snow burst from dem or smth similar
spice raven
Beo uses cast builds basically, recommend swapping cast to a button shoulder on...
i use X button on a ps5 controller for cast
i rebound almost everything
i attack with R1 so casting frequently is not a problem for me
proper furnace
As long as you can comfortably hit cast while holding attack/mid bullrush
Oh i do smth similar then
proper furnace
Is mostly so you dont overkill enemies and waste casts, so no need to wait for them to drop
spice raven
i already succeeded 40 runs and there was just 1 run where i used my cast more than my attack
proper furnace
Just remember to pom your cast always, hermes hyper sprint + rush delivery, chaos gates, charon wells for exyra casts, cast dmg is huge (so if you see the chance for charon keepsake go for it)
spice raven
im currently doing all achievements, that's why i play the game lol, and i still haven't maxed my charon keepsake, so i'll go with it
proper furnace
You mainly want to use if you already have your build/elysium and onwards wells are juicy
spice raven
oh btw there is a pact of punishment thing called Benefits Package which says most armored foes have perks
it sounds really easy, is that so?
spice raven
i'm currently at only 6 heat with shield, what would you recommend? i wanna go with timer 9:00, extreme measures 2 and either benefits package, middle management or underworld customs
i can't choose honestly
valid dagger
Go 7:00 on the timer
spice raven
damn why can't i send pictures
errant narwhal
you can send image links and they will embed
spice raven
what will be better for beowulf
aphrodite rare attack buff or artemis epic attack buff
i'll lose on a chunk of damage because it's 120% bonus on aphrodite and only 56% on artemis, but 15% crit rate
valid dagger
Artemis always
plain river
You’ll lose out on lots of damage from your attack but artemis can give good duos for casting
valid dagger
You dont want to pick up Aprho's attack on Beowulf to begin with
spice raven
it doubles my damage that's why i pick it up
valid dagger
It also opens up a duo that you dont want
Therefore lowering the chance of getting the one you want
spice raven
i don't even know how duo boons work i just grab what's stronger and that's it
spice raven
i don't like beowulf, it gives good damage especially with poseidon but i just need to stand there for like several seconds until all my casts tick
i died on a fcking hydra
i love chaos aspect, you just spam bull rush+special
plain river
Beowulf is not an intuitive aspect
🤔
spice raven
that's not me problem, i got used to it but i just hate the thing where you have to stand and wait for your casts to tick and THEN stand even longer just to take them back
because there's a long ass animation
spice raven
i understand how it works, i play how you need to play with it
how can i get used to it more?
plain river
Really?
spice raven
charge your rush wihile loading casts, then finish near the enemy so casts hit him
strange lark
that's not me problem, i got used to it but i just hate the thing where you have...
That's why you load 1 cast
spice raven
take casts back, repeat
spice raven
That's why you load 1 cast
it'll do significantly less damage, what is the point of playing this aspect then?
strange lark
LOL
spice raven
nah, tell me, i want to hear that im wrong
the point of this aspect is to constantly do cast damage
and casting once is 33% of my damage output
why would i
spice raven
im NOT a speedrunner
spice raven
weird, because in other games it works completely different
strange lark
It's not like that in this game
spice raven
i'll still load 3 casts because you still didn't explain why 1 cast is better
spice raven
i repeat again im not a speedrunner, i don't care about making it quick, i care about it being powerful
strange lark
3 casts on a couple of numbskulls isn't that good I think
plain river
weird, because in other games it works completely different
Which games?
strange lark
i repeat again im not a speedrunner, i don't care about making it quick, i care ...
Ok? Do you want to waste 3 casts on enemies that require one?
spice raven
uhh idk honestly, it's just how it usually works that speedrunners use stuff that no one uses
spice raven
Ok? Do you *want* to waste 3 casts on enemies that require one?
that's common sense, i think you still need to cast 3 times on bosses
or should i just do 3 bull rushes 1 cast each
strange lark
I usually do 1 cast and then in a second rush I load 2
By the time you're done with the second rush the first cast falls down
And then repeat
strange lark
No
spice raven
why so
plain river
load 7 first rush
strange arrow
7 is definitely the answer
spice raven
lmao
strange lark
True
valid dagger
The reason you load 2 first is because by the time you finish the second bullrush you'll be able to get the initial 2 back
If you load 1 then 2 you're still waiting for 1 cast
strange arrow
i understand the 2 before 1 argument, what's the argument for 1 before 2? 🤔
strange lark
Idk man I just spam cast button
strange arrow
spice raven
if enemy needs 3 casts to kill, it doesnt matter how many casts you start with
even 4
it's either 1 2 1
or 2 1 2
no difference
plain river
2 1 2 makes more sense because damage sooner is better than same damage later
spice raven
2 1 2 makes more sense because damage sooner is better than same damage later
yeah that's what i thought about too
strange arrow
if it requires 4+ then it does matter cause starting with 1 would require you an extra cast
plain river
this is why you roll with the one upgrade that recharges your cast instead of giving you more casts
lucid oar
You want every bull rush to have a cast loaded because it powers up the attack too
lucid oar
With arti attack and charged shot you’ll see 600 damage crits very easily
strange lark
With arti attack and charged shot you’ll see 600 damage crits very easily
Imagine getting charge shot
strange lark
What
spice raven
i literally tested several times and there are iframes mid rush at least with chaos aspect
plain river
hmm
spice raven
and here i just take damage going through a tiny projectile
lucid oar
Beowulf is really hard to get used to but it’s rewarding
spice raven
Beowulf is really hard to get used to but it’s rewarding
yeah i can feel that
it's just i really dislike the aspect
lucid oar
I used to as well
plain river
Beowulf is funky
spice raven
and i have a me problem here too
strange lark
Yeah it takes practice
lucid oar
It felt clunky
spice raven
i want to load 2 casts i load 3 just because im tapping too fast
lucid oar
With not enough damage to be worth using
spice raven
chaos is just 10 times better for me
strange lark
i want to load 2 casts i load 3 just because im tapping too fast
That's what I mean
Practice
plain river
I haven’t used it much but I think I like it but not more than I like aspect of zeus
strange lark
chaos is just 10 times better for me
Ok that's just objectively wrong
plain river
chaos is just 10 times better for me
spice raven
are you serious? i literally said FOR ME not for everyone, not objectively, im not stating anything
plain river
True
spice raven
IN MY humble opinion FOR ME chaos is better
strange lark
I was kinda joking
spice raven
why do i even have to say this
i understand that this is literally the best aspect in the game i just dislike it personally
i don't wanna practice nor play it at all ever again, I don't like it
plain river
If you would kindly edit your prior message and remove the “for me” bit so my statement holds that would be great
strange lark
🗿
spice raven
💀
strange lark
We all know that the best shield aspect is zag shield
spice raven
is there any way to even play fists in this game?
idk maybe im wrong but their range is pathetic
strange lark
Yeah
plain river
Yes? All of them are good
plain river
Like
plain river
yes
hallow geyser
is there any way to even play fists in this game?
Fists are the best early weapon
And the easiest to use
spice raven
please get serious im not here for your goofy jokes
plain river
Well
3/4 of the fist aspects are fun to use
And then there is zags aspect
But basic premise is punch punch punch special special
strange lark
please get serious im not here for your goofy jokes
Kinda just hold attack and use dash strikes
Put a flat damage boon on attack like Zeus or ares
hallow geyser
please get serious im not here for your goofy jokes
Goofy jokes? I am talking real
spice raven
idk, comparing it to other weapons it just doesn't have enough damage
hallow geyser
Put a flat damage boon on attack like Zeus or ares
Just use ME
spice raven
Goofy jokes? I am talking real
not you
strange lark
Fists are the best early weapon
It's not since it's so unsafe tbh
hallow geyser
idk, comparing it to other weapons it just doesn't have enough damage
Use ME
plain river
Darknight aspect my favourite
hallow geyser
Doom allows you the Extra damage
spice raven
isn't doom effect bad on fast attack weapons?
hallow geyser
On all weapons
spice raven
i always grabbed it on something slow
hallow geyser
isn't doom effect bad on fast attack weapons?
No, it is used to boost low damage weapons
spice raven
ok thanks i'll keep in mind doom is good for fists
because if not for you i'd never grab it
hallow geyser
isn't doom effect bad on fast attack weapons?
Best weapon to use doom is fists
hallow geyser
ok thanks i'll keep in mind doom is good for fists
You shall go merciful end
plain river
aphrodite special on demeter fists though
plain river
You haven’t done spoken with the right people
hallow geyser
Gilgamesh?
spice raven
You haven’t done spoken with the right people
almost everyone is fully bonded lol
plain river
Don’t you have to have the gloves equipped to unlock gilgamesh?
Then commit speech with the correct persons with the fists on
spice raven
oh i just never equip them lol
plain river
Thats why I said speak with the right person
spice raven
oh and i need to invest 5 titan blood into fists
ok ill upgrade talos, seems like the only good option
because i hate this range :(
plain river
It eventually gets to +5 from the aspect but then you’ve got the base 2 hits
spice raven
skelly took 210 in face, not bad
plain river
although if you’ve got an issue with range you’ll have an issue with getting 12 hits in to use the special
spice raven
although if you’ve got an issue with range you’ll have an issue with getting 12 ...
i dont have the issue it's just that i don't like getting up close
i like pressing the button wherever they are, you can guess bow is my fav
plain river
Kinetic launcher hammer pushes that up to 350 without boons
I’m still not sure what to run on it so I take dio attack, aphro special and artemis cast usually and hope to get the duos
Does the rush kick hammer work with aspect of demeter in the good way or the bad way?
As in
Is it 7 hits or 12
spice raven
god peopel are chasing those duo bons as i can see
i get them like once in 5 runs or so
plain river
Hmm
Well I know what I need to have to meet the prerequisites for the duo boons and I run the mirror upgrade to see them more often
So I’ve had runs where I’ve come across 4 or 5 even
Does the demeter-poseidon boon that makes flood shot shoot ice particles completely remove the flood shots knockback effect?
lucid oar
Don’t base aspect viability on skelly tests
proven osprey
Good piece of advice
dreamy prism
Don’t base aspect viability on skelly tests
do base aspect viability on skelly tests
aka the best aspect in the game is lucifer because it kills skelly the fastest
random relic
aka the best aspect in the game is lucifer because it kills skelly the fastest
(other than hestia)
random relic
How wide is the spread on triple beam for lucifer?
around 60-75 degrees? somewhere around there
dreamy prism
(other than hestia)
wait can you kill skelly faster with hestia
I thought quad special bomb lucifer was fastest
random relic
yes, easily lmao
dreamy prism
timing from moment skelly spawns in is what I'm referring to
dreamy prism
lucifer does it in like 0.1s
random relic
wait im confused, what?
4 lucifer specials definitely doesnt do enough damage to kill skelly
maybe im stupid but that doesnt seem right
random relic
wheres the 25% coming from?
dreamy prism
high confidence
plain river
around 60-75 degrees? somewhere around there
So definitely not like hitting the same enemy with multiple beams
dreamy prism
so that's 975 damage I think
worn solar
huh dont zag bow have skelly%
dreamy prism
how much have does skelly have
dreamy prism
huh dont zag bow have skelly%
I think it has fastest clear timing from entering the room for the first time
and lucifer should have fastest clear timing from skelly spawning in
worn solar
so just stack 3 balls and detonate the moment he spawns lol
random relic
i think you can 2 shot skelly with hestia so its pretty close
dreamy prism
yeah pretty much
the problem with lucifer is that when you explode special from having too many on the map there's a slight delay
unreal tree
~~aka be damue~~
proper furnace
proper furnace
Smair 
rare topaz
Yessss
cunning urchin
Congratulations!
rare topaz
Thank you!
What should I build around next you reckon? Tempted to go with either Arthur, Achilles, Eris, or -some- aspect of Fist
hallow geyser
What should I build around next you reckon? Tempted to go with either Arthur, Ac...
Go for Eris
cunning urchin
Excalibur, Heartbreak Strike, Zeus' Aid, Smair. Double down on HP, damage reduction, and anything from Lord Zeus that buffs your Call further.
hallow geyser
Really fun especially of you get rocket bomb
cunning urchin
Of course.
rare topaz
Really fun especially of you get rocket bomb
Mmmm could be could be
I don't even have it unlocked
cunning urchin
Lady Aphrodite is the main character after all.
rare topaz
I honestly don't like her
Also, how much should I level Arthur, or is base just fine?
I only have 8 titan blood
cunning urchin
Who knows.
plain river
Base is fine
rare topaz
Sick
rare topaz
I hate heat 😭
Yooo
Daedalus!
Breaching Slash, Shadow Slash and Cursed Slash
I reckon Breaching Slash, oui? Took Breaching Slash
dreamy prism
@rare topaz what weapon?
rare topaz
<@243371749981290499> what weapon?
Arthur
rare topaz
True, shadow would do me loads
dreamy prism
shadow is good because arthur relies on dashing behind enemies mid combo
narrow halo
@cunning urchin how you doing
rare topaz
<@311477984886521856> how you doing
Sick pfp
narrow halo
You helped me 3 years ago with the game i still remember you
rare topaz
Ofc ^^
@dreamy prism sorry for the ping, but I'm stumped. I ran into Ares, and I'm presented with his Epic special that deals 100 damage for doom, epic dash with 14 damage rifts, and Curse of Vengeance for 120 doom
I'm under the impression Arthur facetanks a fair bit, so Vengeance is tempting, but I'm targeting Zeus, so I'm holding for his vengeance so that it can pair with Jolted, tho idk
dreamy prism
<@279126808455151628> sorry for the ping, but I'm stumped. I ran into Ares, and ...
uhhh probably special?
you use arthur special occasionally and filling a core slot is nice
dreamy prism
but revenge is also good
rare topaz
true
dreamy prism
ares revenge is probably the best damage revenge just from sheer damage
rare topaz
If on its own then yeah I'd imagine so
I'll go Special since Zeus' first slot will hopefully be Aid
And I might as well fill this
tawny grove
smair
proper furnace
Smair 
worn solar
worn solar
in fact its pretty epic tho no poms or jolted or dstrike
rare topaz
In time, in time
plain river
What makes jolted such a good effect?
proper furnace
on bosses you cant even stun them so it shines a lot there
plain river
Can effect damage critical? Like maimed or jolted or hangover or ruptured or decay
plain river
Holy that was fast
worn solar
think a jolted there crit for 874
plain river
I think I saw an 874 too
proper furnace
Can effect damage critical? Like maimed or jolted or hangover or ruptured or dec...
need PP/Hunter's mark/splitting headache
worn solar
lol seeing feather is funny
worn solar
ticks down like 5%
plain river
the hades wiki says some weird stuff about static discharge scaling with rarity
Common:
Jolt Damage: 60
Rare:
Multiplier: 1.3–1.5
Epic:
Multiplier: 1.8–2.0
Heroic:
Multiplier: 2.3–2.5
proper furnace
yeah is not a direct value
it has a bit of variance
same on things like most % attacks
sometimes aphro epic attack is 96%-99%
tranquil karma
So far my Arthur build is shaping up well
225 HP, Zeus Special, Demeter Cast, Aphrodite Dash, Ares Call, Ocean's Bounty, and then Hoarding Slash + Piercing Wave.
Hunker-down build
Ah, melting Theseus with a Greater Call always feels so nice
plain river
I think you just killed my brain with that build
zeus special on arthur?
oceans bounty why?
tranquil karma
It was the best Zues boon I was given
plain river
wait nevermind oceans bounty hoarding slash
what were your other options for zeus boon?!?!?
tranquil karma
And Ocrean's Bounty was becuse 1) Hoarding Slash and 2) Knockback on Arthur kinda breaks the bunker build
tranquil karma
what were your other options for zeus boon?!?!?
Replace Aphrodite dash, or Attack lightning, but I'm planning on going for an Artemis attack boon
plain river
oh so all not good options
strange lark
Hoarding slash 🗿
tranquil karma
I just figured I was gonna be specialing a lot, so might as well go for that
plain river
anyways
tranquil karma
Hoarding slash 🗿
On ARTHUR, that bonus damage is huge
plain river
I just realised that this is hoarding slash on arthur
plain river
On ARTHUR, that bonus damage is huge
no it isn't
strange lark
On ARTHUR, that bonus damage is huge
Nope 🙂
tranquil karma
When I've got 2200 gold it is
strange lark
LOL
tranquil karma
also the other ones sucked and i needed it for the prophecy
plain river
what were your other options than hoarding slash?
tranquil karma
I don't even remember, but they were all meh
strange lark
Prophecy gud
plain river
hoarding slash isn't a % increase, it's a flat damage increase which arthur doesn't need
tranquil karma
Besides I'm anvilling anyway
strange lark
But damage not gud
tranquil karma
"Your attack deals bonus damage equal to 5% of your current Obol"
Okay I just realized I misread that as 50%
But I did shred Theseus in 4 combos so
plain river
it adds 5% of your obols, not an increase in damage = to 5% of your obols if you catch my drift
so
110 base damage increase rather than a 110% increase to swing damage
tranquil karma
Ah well, I'm still stupid tanky so I should be fine
plain river
I'm not sure if I would call it tanky but then again I'm not sure how much damage resist that is total
but it's arthur sword so probably tanky
tranquil karma
I've got lvl 2 weakening dash, 300 hp, and chill cast, plus Hallowed Ground from Arthur, and max godhood
plain river
ok
proper furnace
run should be saved
tranquil karma
I know, it's just funny to me
Anyway, back to how much I despise Theseus-
I legitimately despise him so much I'm making a mod to replace him with Icarus
plain river
keep asterius in there
plain river
anywho I don't understand your hate for theseus
tranquil karma
I don't like the source material of Theseus, so to speak
And that bleeds over to Supergiant Theseus
Also Theseus annoys me, which is kinda the point, but still
plain river
what, deserting your wife on an island and marrying her sister isn't cool anymore? smh
tranquil karma
Nor is abducting Helen of Troy to marry her when Helen was still only 12
plain river
is that theseus as well?
tranquil karma
And were it not for the re-ordering of events in Hades, Theseus probably wouldn't be in Elysium given he tried to help his brother abduct Persepohone to marry her even after she was married to Hades.
tranquil karma
is that theseus as well?
Yup
And the build worked! I beat Big Man!
With 27 HP left, good lord-
tranquil karma
Anyway I did get one really good bow build earlier
tranquil karma
I have achieved a good Talos build
Concentrated Knuckles + Quake Cutter, Artemis Attack, Demeter Special, Athena Cast, Ares Dash, Hermes Dodge, Ares Revenge, and Athena Armor
And Swift Strike!
And Engulfing Vortex!
dreamy prism
sus
tranquil karma
WDYM sus-
plain river
it's suspicious
tranquil karma
How???
These are relatively normal boons-
Also I know what sus means, I was asking what was sus-
plain river
tranquil karma
And now I've got Support Fire!
That one took a roll tough
And now, I've tacked on Last Stand and Are's Aid
Time to fight Big Man
And I won!
I'll post the SS in a bit
clever phoenix
Concentrated Knuckles + Quake Cutter, Artemis Attack, Demeter Special, Athena Ca...
that just sounds like a lot of boons put together, any duo/leg you have in mind while going for this?
tranquil karma
Not really, no
clever phoenix
you should
this just seems like a bunch of boons slapped together, and hard to replicate
proper furnace
whats athena armor
feral night
probably bronze skin
tranquil karma
Ye
tranquil karma
this just seems like a bunch of boons slapped together, and hard to replicate
Now don't discredit me too much, there's a method to my madness
proper furnace
oh yeah been wanting to ask, is there a reason you grinded to 80% god mode?
tranquil karma
it makes it easier to play, and I was already at 60% from doing a bunch of runs and dying horribly
plain river
Now don't discredit me too much, there's a method to my madness
there is?
tranquil karma
Yeah, it's that I tend to pair certain boon effects
Athena + Ares
Zeus + Poseidon
Artemis + Demeter
Aphrodite + Dionysus
Those always tend to be the best blends for me
I then focus on what'll work best with the current focus I want for my gameplan
tranquil karma
Also I'm really just grinding for aspects and prophecies rn
plain river
I'm trying to as well but then it's like
I come across a hammer option and I'm thinking whether or not I want to throw a run by picking it up
tranquil karma
That's why I have god mode, my likeliness to die by Big Man's hand is vastly lessened
random relic
I come across a hammer option and I'm thinking whether or not I want to throw a ...
for all aspects there are many bad hammers- fulfil the prophecies when its 3 bad hammers imo
its like what, 150 gems anyway?
the fates have ordained it to happen anyway, no need to speed up the process if it hurts a run
plain river
the sooner I pick them up the sooner I can drip out the underworld though
tranquil karma
Exactly- it's all about the drip
god supreme puffer zag is the most accursed thing my mind has ever dredged from the depths
plain river
which is why I'm saving up 25000 darkness rather than upgrading the d4 or d20
tranquil karma
And hence why I seek to replaced Theseus with someone less obnoxious
clever phoenix
Now don't discredit me too much, there's a method to my madness
lmao
short sapphire
Started my 325k darkness quest today
I bought everything else in the game and had about 100 darkness left and in about 2 hours I got to 5k
So about 140 hours to get the rest 
Got really lucky with oceans bounty and chaos extra darkness boons
turbid needle
Anyone know a fun build with the aspect of talos?
valid dagger
Doom effect special plus athena attack with the athena+ares duo
The other way around
Fast hitting moves with low base damage scale through flat damage, and slower hitting moves with good/high base damage scale through buffing that damage further
In this case the Special itself isn't very relevant, but it's the only core that unlocks Merciful End so you have to take it
You want Athena's Dash later to proc the Dooms
When the build gets going you will barely use your Special at all
valid dagger
In this case the Special itself isn't very relevant, but it's the only core that...
Just to be clear, the only core aside from the Attack
But your attack slot is occupied
quasi briar
Anyone know a fun build with the aspect of talos?
curse of drowning with stygian soul to pull enemies into the aoe
haven't tried it myself but seems fun
tepid lichen
so I've put 5 titan blood in all weapons
but still didn't unlock the secret aspects
do I need to put 5 in each weapon?
plain river
so I've put 5 titan blood in all weapons
but still didn't unlock the secret asp...
5 titan blood in one weapon allows you to unlock the aspect for it after you speak to the right people
proper furnace
You need to unlock the hidden soear first before the rest
And that one is unlock 5 aspects across all weapons (which i do t doubt you prob have by now)
Check #h1-story-discussion pins
plain river
What should I build onto hera after grabbing dionysus cast? I have the option to grab another dionysus boon or an artemis boon rn
Ah wait the legendary artemis boon I’ll grab artemis
cunning urchin
What should I build onto hera after grabbing dionysus cast? I have the option to...
Poms on Cast, Black Out, poms on Cast, Scintillating Feast, Poms on Cast...
Deadly Strike and Tidal Dash are always great.
plain river
I’ve got tidal dash yeah
quasi briar
on the topic of hera bow...
(ignore my awful gameplay I was busy laughing my ass off at the 6 casts and braids of atlas)
valid dagger
Yea that’s very juiced up
You can take off the hourglass too, well items can last til the end
quasi briar
I picked up hourglass in styx
valid dagger
Oh then that wouldnt work
Usually you just take it in Elysium
Everything you pick up from chamber 29-30 will last til the end if you get a 2 sack
quasi briar
ic
valid dagger
And you can check the well right before entering styx
The interbiome well
Pick up whatever you want then change keepsake
quasi briar
ah, yeah
I did a neat trick in styx with well rng manip though
super easy to do and it's what got me two braids of atlas
quasi briar
yeah
valid dagger
Very nice
quasi briar
I was pretty close to getting fully loaded that run too but oh well
plain river
Guan yu, mainly spin focused: breaching skewer, serrated pointed or extending jab?
hallow geyser
Guys why do you recommend Chiron bow over Hera bow although I noticed Hera (my brother is using it) can get you a pretty good run time + it one shots everything
valid dagger
Guys why do you recommend Chiron bow over Hera bow although I noticed Hera (my b...
I wouldnt actually
Hera is almost always gonna be stronger
And when Hera falls off (high heat), Chiron would also be on its death bed
hallow geyser
Is Rama bow any good?
hallow geyser
Better than Hera?
valid dagger
It depends on the context