h1-builds-and-combat

[shell sleet]

keyboard pro is right

[fluid flax]

Is the nohit butterfly just optimal for every run btw?

[dreamy prism]

it's arguably bottom 5 keepsakes

[fluid flax]

OH

is it cuz of the mental affect or is it just not worth it?

[dreamy prism]

not worth at all

it means you lose control of your build entirely, and you don't get a defensive keepsake for dad

[fluid flax]

Rip than ig

[shell sleet]

though the losing control of your build part is far more important

you can still blitz dad with a good build

[dreamy prism]

true true

[proper furnace]

Also most things that are used for butterfly barely benefit from at most a 50% dmg buff

[dreamy prism]

I was about to say the same thing

[proper furnace]

Is basically a chaos boon

[fluid flax]

Also true wow

[dreamy prism]

the safest aspects aka the ones that can run up butterfly the most are usually long range big +%/status weapons

[fluid flax]

I've been playing this game like a fool

Lol

[dreamy prism]

eg hestia is the safest aspect for no damage but doesn't care about butterfly

[shell sleet]

but if you get zeus dio poseidon ares on like arthur, theres really not much you can do at that point

[proper furnace]

If you are playing casually it doesnt matter tbf

[dreamy prism]

yeah take butterfly if you like it

[proper furnace]

If its fun for you then go ahead

[dreamy prism]

just note that it's not considered a good one and you'll probably do better with others

[fluid flax]

Oh sure yeah, just planning to Amp up heat a bunch and wondering what I should do going forward

[shell sleet]

if your aim is just winning, then butterfly is not it

if you just want to have a funny run, go for it with butterfly

[dreamy prism]

what aspects you like?

[proper furnace]

Getting used to god keepsakes/what works on your fav aspect helps a lot

[fluid flax]

Generally, things like hestia where it's one shot

[proper furnace]

Also codex upgrade to memorize boons requisites

[fluid flax]

Or some resetting mechanic like poseidon

[dreamy prism]

you're in luck because hestia handles heat insanely well

[proper furnace]

Hestia is bestia

[fluid flax]

That's a great mantra

[shell sleet]

get aphro attack and uhh i think they run artemis special

divine/tidal dash but divine dash probably works better for higher heat

[proper furnace]

Any gud % special works but artemis prefered ye

[dreamy prism]

I like ddash on hestia

since it's mega ranged the main threats become projectiles

which ddash handles

[proper furnace]

I use tidal dash but thats because i only been speedrunning with it so

[dreamy prism]

but then my hestia top is 40 heat so don't trust me

one day I'll 50 it

[proper furnace]

Hestia too hard so il leave it at 32

[dreamy prism]

what worries me is having to learn how to handle JS with consistent special usage

my 32 and 40 were very low on special usage because it's mechanically difficult for me

[whole osprey]

for my 50 heat i used tital dash

tho athena dash is prob better, but tital dash is still rlly good

[cunning urchin]

Just press Special whenever you Reload.

[whole osprey]

every other time u reload

[plucky hemlock]

If you time it right, you can dash to forward on Excalibur’s 3rd heavy slash to turn it into a wide dash attack

I learned this just now

[valid dagger]

You can dash in any direction

And it's for every swing in the combo not just the third slash

[plucky hemlock]

Really?

I’m about to become a lot more problematic for Hades and the wretches

[whole osprey]

excalibur has some weird tech

u can buffer inputs to make some wacky combos

[untold gazelle]

my god guan yu is sooo bad

[strange lark]

So true

[maiden mortar]

Got offered Hunting Blades and Vicious Cycle at the same time. Is it correct to pick Vicious Cycle?

[valid dagger]

What weapon are you running

[maiden mortar]

Using Achilles

[valid dagger]

Hunting blades is the one

Vicious cycle is usually a side pick

Hunting Blades is almost a core part of the build and makes bossing a lot nicer

[maiden mortar]

Right, my instinct is Hunting is better since it allows complete coverage of blades.

But Vicious seems 'rarer' if that makes sense

Yea I'll pick hunting blades. Hopefully, another Ares in Elysium and the surface

So I did get Vicious Cycle in Elysium lol

[shell sleet]

vicious cycle works for cast but not for call or something right?

ive heard that its bugged on some of the blade rift boons

[valid dagger]

I think call is the only one where it works properly

Vicious cycle is a SCAM. From testing earlier I believe the actual damage is:
For most blade rifts, it adds only 1 extra damage per hit (cast, dash)
It does buff call properly (lol)
It does not work at all with slicing flare

Quoting Pseudo

[shell sleet]

ah ok

[cunning urchin]

No, just whenever you reload press the button.

[whole osprey]

what

[dreamy prism]

yeah but like then you have to think about aiming

too high skill for my beo brain

[shell sleet]

just rocket start

[cunning urchin]

You don't gotta think that much about aiming just to beat JS consistenty.

[whole osprey]

u cant special everytime u reload tho

[valid prism]

We're talking about manual reload, right?

[whole osprey]

yeah

[cunning urchin]

I am fully aware of that.

[whole osprey]

usually the cycle is like attack reload dash dash attack reload special dash dash

[whole osprey]

o u mean click the input everytime?

[cunning urchin]

Yep.

[whole osprey]

i mean thats prob find it just seems slower

[cunning urchin]

It's not really slower, just means you don't gotta think about it.

Obviously if you want to e.g. dash + reload instead, you don't input Special.

[sterile fiber]

late realization that Charged Volley is Quite Ok on zag bow

[proven osprey]

Charged volley is awesome

[languid rampart]

do you need to unlock all aspect of a certain weapon to unlock the hidden aspect

[random relic]

no, prereqs are pinned in #h1-story-discussion

[proper wharf]

Is heart rend particularly rare? I've gone for it on most of my last few runs and ended up with other duos and legendaries but never that

[valid dagger]

Its not really no, are you eligible for it? Like do you have the prerequisites

Also to improve your odds of getting Duos your best bet is to fill the god pool early, fill cores if you can WITHOUT opening other duos

When you open up a second duo your odds of getting the other one are halved instantly

[proper wharf]

Thanks Mike. Yeah in a bunch of runs I've started with artemis or aphrodite keepsake and then got the other if I didn't get both prerequisites in tartarus

Was also using the final mirror bonus to re-roll, and had dark foresight and god's legacy each time

[valid dagger]

Rng can be cruel sometimes yea

[proper wharf]

Just seemed weird cos with that setup I'd got most other duos and legendaries that I'd been aiming for in other runs (e.g. vicious cycle and crystal clarity which I would've thought would be harder)

[valid dagger]

Just keep at it you’ll come across it eventually

Chaos Favor/ Yarns and Eury Nectar also boost Legendary and Duo odds

+10%

Good to know

[proper wharf]

Ahh nice thanks. I should check the next stage symbol before picking those up.
I've got HR before but I'm at the stage now where I'm aiming for certain builds rather than just collecting stuff.

[valid dagger]

Yea I would look more into filling cores and filling the god pool early

That helps a lot

When you have 4 gods early not including Hermes you start to only see those 4

Which is nice because when you see more Artemis and Aphro you have more chances to see Heartrend

[proper wharf]

It's a shame you can't combine hunting blades and freezing vortex.
Those plus mirage shot would be nice

[worn bluff]

What's the best cast for Hera bow?

Aphrodite?

[lucid oar]

Yes

[worn bluff]

Ok cool, I used aphro and almost escaped but died on the last HP bar of hades

[proper wharf]

Why is it not dio? Aphro seems to miss sometimes, casting behind the target

[worn bluff]

Oh that explains it

[lucid oar]

Aphro misses if you overshoot

[worn bluff]

I was finding myself doing very little damage sometimes, especially to Elysium enemies

[proper wharf]

No I'm asking same as you. I would also like to know

[lucid oar]

What level was your cast

[lucid oar]

Dio takes ages to pop out

[proper wharf]

Ah right. I felt that with beo especially

[worn bluff]

I think it was around level 12? I got sweet nectar early and pommed it to hell and back

[lucid oar]

Any scaling? Extra casts, cast damage etc

Mirage shot, snow burst

[worn bluff]

Nope

[lucid oar]

If not then that’ll explain the lack of damage

[worn bluff]

I think I was just missing the cast

And hitting with the attack

Which was really weak

Also are there any ways to get a lot of Titan blood really quickly? I want to upgrade either bow or fists to the max

[gusty rapids]

crush shot on hera can miss enemies in elysium depending on how they move; like if a spearman jumps towards you as you shoot at it, the cast will fire behind him (since he’s moving toward you at the same time)

[worn bluff]

Yeah that makes sense

I was really confused as to why I had shredded the hydra but was struggling to kill a generic enemy lol

[lucid oar]

Hera does shred lernie lol

[proper wharf]

How do people feel about Artemis cast on hera or beo?

[lucid oar]

Pretty low damage, not much aoe

Bad Pom scaling

Just kinda meh

There’s worse and better options

[proper wharf]

Makes sense thx. Yeah I felt the lack of aoe when I tried it

[lucid oar]

The crit doesnt make up for it compared to aphro

Dio cast can be really good with the right build but it’s nowhere near as consistent as crush shot hera but is only a bit stronger at peak

[proper wharf]

Right so the delay makes it not worth it

[lucid oar]

Yea you basically need to use stygian soul for it to be good

Like Beowulf dio cast

But hera isn’t that good during cast downtime unless you get lucky with attack hammers

[proper wharf]

Ahh nice I did not think of stygian soul

Haven't used it in ages

I think last time with aphro i had a quick charge hammer which was making me overshoot and didn't realise til the end of my run. I should try it again

[lucid oar]

Flurry shot?

Yeah that one is rlly hard to get used to

But is insanely powerful once you do

[proper wharf]

Not flurry, I found that op when I first found it! but don't like the feel

Is there one that makes the charge faster? (Not instant)

[lucid oar]

No

[proper wharf]

Oh lol

[limpid sage]

divine dash level 40

[dreamy prism]

I actually really like artemis cast on poseidon sword because it doesn't put the bloodstones way out of reach if it misses and makes exit wounds / mirage shot easier to get

but I also recognize that's just my own weird preference and that most people prefer athena cast

[whole osprey]

athena cast 🙏🙏

[untold gazelle]

what are the best boons for aspect of rama?

[dreamy prism]

aphro attack is the big one

[lucid oar]

Hammers matter a lot on Rama, you want either twin shot or triple shot

[strange lark]

mike waiting room

[dreamy prism]

mike writing rama dissertation

[lucid oar]

See if it’s the special Rama copypasta

[proper wharf]

[dreamy prism]

oh boy what's that

[strange lark]

special only rama is unaruably the only way to make this trash weapon useable. and even then its only somewhat useable since it only has access to one special hammer. its basicially nothing compared to the superiority of chiron. the attack charges up way too slowly to be useable and shared suffering is a gimmick at best, it adds nothing to help pulling this aspect out of mediocrity. if youre lucky enough and get repluse shot you might - and I say MIGHT get the chance to actually get an attack off with this thing, and even then its simply not worth it. the attack speed is way too slow and the damage completly pales in comparison to actually fast hitting aspects like gilgamesh. its sad to say but supergiantgames design philosophy of making most hidden aspects basicially a slow and unusable version of their base weapon has backfired completly. first beowulf - now this. hidden aspects are supposed to be strong and rewarding for the sheer grind I had to go through to unlock them. I dont even know if I want to unlock hidden rail at this point

[dreamy prism]

lmao epic

[valid dagger]

A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs

[lucid oar]

[strange lark]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/659820450297282585/967597486967521321/1.gif

[proper wharf]

Nice I should try.
As it happens I did a Poseidon sword run earlier with lightning phalanx and flurry cast which was super fun

[dreamy prism]

rama poseidon special + sea storm

trust me bro this build is god tier

[lucid oar]

Sprinkler

[valid dagger]

If you do end up with Poseidon Special for whatever reason I think the next step is Razor Shoals if you want to do damage

[strange lark]

what about artemis special with a bunch of poms and chaos special damage

[lucid oar]

Shoals is goated

[lucid oar]

Enough

[strange lark]

what

[lucid oar]

The enemies are dead enough

No need to overkill

[strange lark]

i always overkill

[lucid oar]

[strange lark]

:croven:

[untold gazelle]

bro did u heard about: diffrent playstale and preferences i just like rama cuz its fun to use for me it aint trash its specific

[lucid oar]

It’s a copypasta

(A joke)

[dreamy prism]

r!pasta rama

[strange lark]

no that is my opinion

special only rama is pretty fun tho

kinda like chiron but good

🗿

[lucid oar]

I got mid 8 with special only

Never again

[strange lark]

you should do it again

schad style

[lucid oar]

Try to deal damage challenge

[dreamy prism]

lol what's rama special only meta

zeus?

[lucid oar]

For speed yeah

For heat it’s dio

Or ares if you like cheating

[strange lark]

FIRST PERSON TO DEAL DAMAGE WINS $100000 CHALLENGE

[lucid oar]

GONE SUB 7

[dreamy prism]

ares rama sus

[strange lark]

raME is goated

[dreamy prism]

is the crucial boon called dire misfortune

or whatever

[lucid oar]

Yea

[valid dagger]

And Impending probably

[strange lark]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/884460755053846628/Screenshot_448.png

[lucid oar]

And relentless

[strange lark]

so beautiful

[valid dagger]

If you get those 2 you can stack a lot

[dreamy prism]

dire misfortune only shows up after you already have ME ddash I swear

[lucid oar]

I’ve had 1400 doom procs without relentless on Rama

Shame

[dreamy prism]

never when you're trying to run ares chiron or whatever

[strange lark]

with relentless you probably couldve gotten 5k doom procs

[lucid oar]

Maffs

[dreamy prism]

don't forget to add in heart rend from an unspecified source

[valid dagger]

The true gamer Rama is concentrated Volley Rama

If only it was real

[strange lark]

that would be so goated

[dreamy prism]

yo can we get charged volley rama

[strange lark]

new rama meta

[lucid oar]

200% of 15 base 😩

[strange lark]

imagine charged relentless concentrated volley rama

[lucid oar]

With epic special speed

[strange lark]

that would be like 40 damage per special

actually insane

[dreamy prism]

cracked

still worse than chiron though as we all know

[strange lark]

no chiron bad

[valid dagger]

https://youtu.be/SbnnxE9p6QY

[strange lark]

insane

[lucid oar]

How pre nerf Chiron felt

[dreamy prism]

wait what

how was it nerfed

[strange lark]

reduced the cast damage

[lucid oar]

Bow special damage went from 15 -> 10

Chiron got an extra arrow at all levels

[dreamy prism]

devastating

chiron in shambles

[valid dagger]

https://youtu.be/sArKnHMbCYc here this is a good one

[dreamy prism]

support fire hard carry tbh

[strange lark]

yo is that skull earring at full hp

goated

[valid dagger]

[dense compass]

what would the best beowulf build be?

[lucid oar]

https://youtu.be/W1turFVZdag probably this

[strange lark]

ye just get that

[languid rampart]

is +attack dmg or +attack crit chance better for nemesis

[lucid oar]

Completely depends on context

[languid rampart]

wdym

[lucid oar]

How much % attack is offered

What attack boon do you have

What other Artemis crit boons do you have

How much % attack damage do you already have

Stuff like that

[languid rampart]

hmm

what if its like the start

[lucid oar]

At the start probably % damage

[languid rampart]

alr ty

whats the overall best companion

[lucid oar]

Meg

[languid rampart]

thnx

[vernal lance]

Tips for the gauntlet weapon?

[dreamy prism]

I personally think divine dash is almost needed for fists

• zeus or dionysus attack and some big percent other than poseidon on special for demeter fists

[vernal lance]

General tips?

Not including boons/upgrades

[hazy slate]

Punch hard

[vernal lance]

-_-

[proper furnace]

Do the standard 5 hit combo and dash strike to reset while keeping enemies stunlocked

If you are using fiery presence in the mirror your special one shots a few early game enemies (brimstones/witches mainly) while being high dmg to others

And learn to not hold the attack when you try to dash to dodge, otherwise you wont get iframes

[vernal lance]

Is aspect of talos better or aspect of demeter

[lucid oar]

For speedrunning and high heat, aspect of Demeter

[plucky hemlock]

In my opinion aspect of Demeter is better in all regards

[worn bluff]

Ok so I need Titan blood but I'm not sure what builds to use for gun, sword, and shield

Any tips?

I have all non hidden swords unlocked, chaos shield unlocked, and only base gun

[dreamy prism]

if you unlock and max out hestia you'll get the easiest blood of your life back

straight to 20 heat without losses if you just have aphro attack athena dash

[worn bluff]

Really? So far I've found gun to be my least favorite weapon, what does Hestia do?

[dreamy prism]

after manually reloading, next shot does 150 base damage and has increased range and maybe speed

so the playstyle of hestia at the basic level is shoot reload shoot reload shoot reload

I'm sure as a newer player you've experienced stagnating where your build just stops doing enough damage in elysium and styx

hestia fixes that by ensuring if you have a decent attack boon you'll never lack dps

[worn bluff]

Honestly not really?

But I see what you mean

So what should I try to get while using Hestia?

[tight basin]

aphrodite attack and athena dash

and that's basically it

big attack and a survival dash

[worn bluff]

Really? That easy huh

[tight basin]

yeah

[worn bluff]

Any duos I should fish for?

[tight basin]

anything else you pick up is just nice

[tight basin]

as far as i know, i dont think so, but i dont really use rail that much

[worn bluff]

Alright cool

And what about shield and sword?

[tight basin]

just make sure you dont pick up the hammer where you get infinite ammo

[worn bluff]

Ah yeah that would kinda ruin it

[tight basin]

for sword, i've heard nemesis is the best out of the 3 nonhidden, poseidon is also good tho
someone here sent a pretty detailed guide about a good nemesis build so i can try and look for that, but iirc it was basically just build your crit damage and rate

[worn bluff]

Ok cool

I tried using exit wounds aphro cast with Poseidon sword, it kinda sucked tbh

Might've just been how I was playing tho

[tight basin]

for shield, i heard that zeus doesn't rely on titan blood that much and is pretty good, not sure what build is good for it
chaos relies on the titan blood to be good, not sure what boons go well with that either

[tight basin]

i dont think aphro cast is the way to go for pos sword

because it just has no range

[worn bluff]

Makes sense, would Dionysus be better?

[tight basin]

i like going for artemis cast and poseidon special to get mirage shot

[tight basin]

i dont think the cast lodges into enemies so not really

[worn bluff]

Ah

Artemis then?

[tight basin]

i think so

not sure what other people here use

[worn bluff]

Also is there any reason to use Chiron bow because it kinda seems like Hera beats it in every way

[tight basin]

i mean, different playstyles and builds

[worn bluff]

That's fair

[tight basin]

chiron relies on titan blood more imo, but they're both pretty dependent

[worn bluff]

Ah ok, I was comparing them at base

[tight basin]

hera has the potential to deal bigger damage in a single hit, chiron takes an attack and a special to get going

but you can throw out 3 specials before the lock on goes away, with hera you have to wait to get your casts back

unless you're using stygian soul, but tbh idk which one is better

[worn bluff]

So if I were to use Chiron would it be like, Poseidon special Zeus attack try and get sea storm?

[tight basin]

oh that seems pretty good

i didnt' think of that lol

[valid dagger]

Take Call

[worn bluff]

Ok cool

[tight basin]

i use aphro attack and artemis special and get heart rend

[worn bluff]

Also btw thanks Mike, I used the merciful end fists build and escaped 4 times

[tight basin]

lmao merciful end is pretty strong

[worn bluff]

It's so good I love using it

[tight basin]

i tried to do that last night but i got all the way to styx without athena dash and saw there were no athena boons available so i gave up

[worn bluff]

Unfort

[tight basin]

yeah

i had already lost all my death defiances in various bosses and rooms as well so no way i was gonna beat hades without the dash

[worn bluff]

Real quick, how much harder is extreme measures lernie?

[tight basin]

it's a much smaller room, the heads that pop out are closer together
easier for you to get hit, easier for you to hit multiple

[dreamy prism]

meh I don't think so

sea storm is pretty bad on chiron

best builds are gonna be aphro attack then either artemis or dio special

[worn bluff]

All in on DPS then?

[dreamy prism]

for arty you want FF heart rend, for dio you want PS low tolerance

[worn bluff]

What are FF and PS?

[dreamy prism]

family favorite vs privileged status

[worn bluff]

Ah

[dreamy prism]

chiron is one of very few aspects that prefer privileged status

[worn bluff]

That seems interesting

I'll upgrade it first then give that a try, thanks

[dreamy prism]

it's a really good early game weapon because of safety and ease of use

[vernal lance]

What should I get with aspect of demeter

[dreamy prism]

my preference up through 32 heat was zeus attack athena dash then athena or any other big special

[glad hollow]

... c'est un hack ? Comment il fait ça !!! C'est inimaginable une puissance pareille ( use Google translate)

[lucid oar]

its a seeded run, the player manipulates the RNG to get the fastest time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHdt35TDvNY heres a good video to find out more

[glad hollow]

Hmm i see

Thanks u

[worn bluff]

What's a good Gilgamesh build?

Seems like Artemis attack might be good given how quickly you can attack

[strange lark]

nah artemis attack sucks on gilg because of the low base damage

ares attack, athena special, and athena dash with merciful end is very good

[worn bluff]

Oh you right, merciful gets even stronger

Thanks

[neat mauve]

i just beat hades in record time, literally ~75 seconds

i thought my build was so scuffed that is was a suicide run but i quickly turned it around

[valid dagger]

Nice

Time to cut that in half again

[neat mauve]

heroic frost flourish lv. 3 - 185% special damage + chill
charged volley - 250% special damage on charge
arctic blast - 10 stacks of chill = 100 damage

never melted hades like that so quickly

also the cast was pretty nice
crystal beam lv. 3 - 11 damage/0.2 second
cold embrace (duo) - cast fires at zag for 4 extra seconds
glacial glare - +4 seconds + chill

literally fired for 13 seconds. AND i beat chiron in tartarus so i got everything for basically free. definitely marking that build down. and thanks, mike

[valid dagger]

You can try to focus on the attack instead, with nice hammers and a good attack boon your damage is gonna be pretty good

It’s not a demanding build, very easy to get

Can make it stronger with Hunter dash and Chaos

[neat mauve]

i was stupid and got posideon attack before the special which is why i was just going to kill myself

and posideon dash

hunter dash... i'm not good at remembering the effects

my chaos was +62hp and +coin chamber rewards

[valid dagger]

Yea Poseidon’s attack is a very bad one

Hunter dash gives you dash strike damage, it’s from Artemis

[neat mauve]

oh yeah. oh that would have been phenomenal

[worn solar]

cold embrace

[worn bluff]

Anyone got a good spin focused guan Yu build?

I have a seed with quick spin

So I just need to know what boon to take

[lucid oar]

A lot of attack boons are really fun and work well

Can go Artemis for crits, Poseidon for sea storm, Zeus for lightning, and dio and ares work well too

[neat mauve]

needed it for the fated list. lol

[proven osprey]

Arty Aphrodite Demeter Athena. The first one is riskier but that's the most damage you can deal. Others are still ok and provide some utility. Demeter is especially safe

[dreamy prism]

I've always been partial to demeter spin

spin is pretty unsafe even with quick spin so chill helps compensate

[proven osprey]

With quick spin it's very safe though

Just a bit of practice but the health regen is quite insane against packs

With a weak source you can even face tank most of the game

[cunning urchin]

Guan Yu without FO is very safe.

[cunning urchin]

I wrote a guide for Guan Yu here, including some tips on how to use the spin effectively. #h1-discussion message

[feral night]

does swift strike speed up the spin charge

[vernal lance]

best aspect for spear?

and what to get with it?

[cunning urchin]

Indirectly but only from a normal attack since the normal attack is faster. Charge from Dash-Attacks is unaffected.

[cunning urchin]

Does that help? Guan Yu isn't included. It's very strong but the margin for error is very low at lower levels, so most people don't use it until Lv.4 or Lv.5. https://i.imgur.com/NP6KN7I.png

As for builds, there's a bunch of ideas here that you can try with the different spears. https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide

[worn solar]

did someone say spin guan yu 👀 https://imgur.com/a/6ickiUT

ofc it dont embed

https://imgur.com/a/6ickiUT

[worn bluff]

Interesting

I would've thought Poseidon spin is bad because it knocks enemies out of the spin

[strange lark]

It is

[worn bluff]

Oh lol

[worn solar]

seastorm https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/912425963814531092/Hades_11_22_2021_11_34_36_AM.png

also dont matter for bosses

[tawny grove]

spin2win

[worn solar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/912418428978073731/Hades_11_22_2021_11_03_55_AM.png can also do zoos attack but then no fancy seastorm spin

[solid sable]

what's the current meta

[random relic]

zag sword with dash nova and world splitter. i recommend poseidon on attack, demeter on cast, and aphrodite on call and going for cold embrace

[night gyro]

[shell sleet]

the return of wet spin

[vernal lance]

best build for demeter fists?

[valid dagger]

Ares attack + Athena Special -> Merciful End -> Divine Dash + Impending Doom, this is considered the strongest build for them overall, but any flat damage on your attack + a big % special can do the trick, Divine Dash is good for melee all the time, can also go for Tidal Dash or Blade dash because they can do big damage

Like Zeus attack + Static Discharge, with Divine dash and say Artemis Special, that’s a solid build

You can add more to it through a good dps call

Like Zeus or Dio

For safety you can take Athena’s call

As for hammers, Breaching Cross might be the best, it shreds armor very well, if not offered look for Kinetic Launcher or Explosive Upper, both will make your Special stronger, those are the most impactful hammers for the most part, Colossus knuckle is solid because damage reduction is good, avoid Heavy Knuckle and Rush kick

One makes your attack slower which you don’t want, and the other makes your special clunky

Oh also, I think this is something that will make the aspect feel a lot better especially after Tartarus, you generally want to always dash upper, dash uppers are more damage than standing specials, standing specials have 2 hits, and one of them is very late so to hit both on an enemy you have to stand in your place for a brief moment, you can negate that fully by just doing dash uppers, they’re pretty much instantaneous, they also scale with dash strike damage (not that you should specifically hunt for it in general but good to know )

[vernal lance]

also tips for bone hydra

I cant get past him without using my death defiance

also what to choose between rolling knuckle, colossus knuckle or rush kick

[valid dagger]

Something important that the game doesn’t tell you is that Dashes are 100% iframes but dash strikes strip those iframes, so in short, if you’re trying to dodge an attack, you should dash without performing dash strikes, the rest is gonna come from practice and expecting enemy attacks so you know how to position yourself better etc

[unreal tree]

🗿

[cunning urchin]

It's incredibly safe because of it (the spin has huge knockback with Tempest Strike, so pretty much nothing ever comes close to you). And if you double down on Poseidon tier 2 boons + Sea Storm, it can do a lot of damage.

[vernal lance]

with demeter fists, should I start with the piercing butterfly for more damage or one of the god boons to start a build

[valid dagger]

Pierced Butterfly is never the correct option, it's for fun runs for the most part, nowhere near optimal, Olympian Gods' Keepsakes are always stronger

[vernal lance]

k

[dreamy prism]

I'd go zeus start

[vernal lance]

What should I switch to after Tartarus

[vernal lance]

Tips for hades?

I beat his first phase with a death defiance and 2 full athena aids

and died on the next

[dreamy prism]

forcing athena for dash is always nice

[proper furnace]

I'd go aphro for chunky special/possible SA if i already have zeus call

But athena comfy anyways

[dreamy prism]

don't be greedy, get behind the pillars for lasers especially 360 lasers

you can use your dash to safely pop all the vases since getting vased into lasers is a common source of getting obliterated

[worn solar]

or just hug your dad

and accidentally backstep half a centimeter and get a pointblack laser in the face

[proper furnace]

Or use your cast

Or the better one, play with joycons with drift problem

[cunning urchin]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/137Vqe-8fvStMJ_HMlBKWwq3SVdoOED0lOpBBSmgGwtQ/edit?usp=sharing

[tight basin]

for rama is it better to go for artemis attack for crits or aphrodite attack

[dreamy prism]

I think aphro for consistency

[tight basin]

okay thanks

just got common aphro attack very cool

[valid dagger]

Common Aphro is very solid still

Rama gets a lot of scaling from hammers and maybe Hunter dash + Chaos

If you wanna spice it up sell it and take Shackle

[valid dagger]

The problem with Common Aphro attack is comparing it to higher rarities

If you don’t feel like resetting, start Artemis and take Hunter Dash, Tart miniboss is atleast Rare, and you can push it 3 times

So you have decent odds of coming across a good attack

Athena Demeter have good attacks with rarity

[dreamy prism]

the secret is to take fated authority so you can reroll tartarus miniboss

for legal reasons that's a joke

[valid dagger]

That’s what we call the meme strat

It’s probably not that bad

[valid dagger]

Also this is not correct now that I’m rereading it

You can see it 3 times

So you can push it twice

It’s good to be careful when pushing it

Because you can get Shop vs Miniboss

If that’s your last miniboss then you’ll end up missing one of them

Aspho has 3 minibosses and Ely has 2

[tight basin]

i see

well i just finished a run with rama and i will say that hunter's dash would've been very nice but i used athena dash instead

[dreamy prism]

eh I don't think you can ever go wrong with ddash

[tight basin]

yeah

got slapped a lot by witches in tartarus so i figured i needed ddash

it's hard to utilize twin shot and point blank without getting hit

[valid dagger]

Yea Divine Dash is fine

[cunning urchin]

A decent Special boon will take care of that: Hangover, Doom, Lightning Bolts... Frost Flourish can be great as well if you get Killing Freeze.

[valid dagger]

And remember to not dash strike when trying to dodge things

Once you get really good at that you’ll feel less need to use Divine Dash

Because your dash has iframes already

So it’s just about using them well

[steep elm]

even then I would only take splash dash over divine dash. I like demeter and zeus can get crazy (if you get like 7 other boons) but otherwise the dashes are pretty underwhelming.

[cunning urchin]

[worn bluff]

Would a Zeus focused build be good for Zeus shield?

Zeus on special, try for jolted+ Demeter duo, and try for the legendary?

[strange lark]

zeus + zeus is good

dont need demeter duo

just more zeus

main things you need is the special and jolted

pom those a bunch

[worn bluff]

Does Demeter duo not help at all?

[strange lark]

not that much

i think its better at high heat

[worn bluff]

This is gonna be no heat so then yeah probably not then

Thanks

[strange lark]

np

[fallen rivet]

Yo, any good hammers I should def take with Hera? And likewise, bad hammers that won't stack or work as how you'd expect with the casts ;-;

Aiming for Aphro cast

[valid dagger]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IHgXN-_iYn3G2BWUJ05GSi0Qm4j4FsE0yPNM3stKpOE/edit I suggest you read this, if some things are not clear I can try to answer in a bit, or maybe someone else can

[worn bluff]

2 questions

1. Any good rama builds? I'm assuming you want swift strike or attack speed increasing hammers asap

2. What would be a good call for a theoretical smouldering air build where your goal is to spam call as often as possible

Would ares be good for high DPS and invulnerability

Along with boons that boost it further

[strange lark]

A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs

Swift strike is useless because it doesn't affect dash strikes

[strange lark]

No ares is the worst call in the game

Zeus and Dio are very good damage

[worn bluff]

Really? I just used it in a run and it didn't seem that bad

[strange lark]

Well it is

Low damage

And slow movement speed

You're better off just not using the call

[worn bluff]

Huh, I would've thought something like aphro call would be the worst

[strange lark]

Nah it's pretty good

[worn bluff]

Would Poseidon be a good one? Then I stack boons for push away effects and go for sea storm?

[strange lark]

Yeah

It's really good damage

And get rip tide with it

Or whatever that boon is called I got it like twice

[worn bluff]

And what weapon would be good for a call build

Does Achilles damage bonus affect call?

[strange lark]

No

Eris ig

But you don't really want to build around your call

Just play normally and use call for extra damage or iframes

[worn bluff]

Yeah ik I just thought it would be fun to try and click my call as much as possible

[valid dagger]

[strange lark]

Typed all of that

What's with the bouldy

[valid dagger]

Nothing

[whole osprey]

smoldering air is what ur looking for

aphro and zeus duo

[worn bluff]

Yep

Ik

[whole osprey]

its rlly fun if u get the duo with like poseidon call

[worn bluff]

Yeah that's the idea

Hopefully I get that one Hermes boon which charges call too

Unfortunately it's gonna have to wait because I don't have eris unlocked yet

[whole osprey]

eh prob thats prob rlly overkill

i mean u can run smair on any weapon

just use an aspect that likes aphro/zeus first boon

and force the other god in the next biome

[proper furnace]

quick favor barely does anything tbh

[sterile fiber]

smair at home

helps if you don't get smair though

also lets you do aphro and artemis greater call

[dreamy prism]

I think epic quick favor is pretty okay

[wide hazel]

Question about the Shattered Shackle, do I have to avoid boons that affect my Attack, Special, and Cast? Or if I just avoid a boon that affects Attack, it will only boost my Attack and not the other two?

[gusty rapids]

the latter

if you have a special and cast boon, but no attack boon, shackle still gives the bonus for attack

it applies separately to all 3

[wide hazel]

Okay thank you

[wide hazel]

Does Chaos and Hammer apply or not?

[sterile fiber]

They don't affect shackle

[wide hazel]

So as long as the Attack's boon slot is empty

[sterile fiber]

then you get the buff to your regular attack yes

[sinful lily]

anyone got a good build for spear of guan yu?

[cunning urchin]

#h1-discussion message

[gray shore]

do people respect GY yet

has your mission been accomplished

xd

[hoary sorrel]

I cannot remember who on this server suggested I try a merciful end build on the Gilgamesh, but whoever did that has ruined me, this build makes the game way too easy.

[cunning urchin]

Well, you can always up the Heat to make it more difficult.

[tawny grove]

try that with demeter fists next

[hoary sorrel]

I think I am up to twenty heat already and still climbing!

I still have higher heat clears with a sword exit woulds build, but that has more to do with experience than the power of the build.

I suspect my fists will surpass my sword in heat soon

[cunning urchin]

20 is chill.

You might enjoy getting into high heat runs if you enjoy a good challenge.

[hoary sorrel]

I agree, just need to improve my game for endurance, if that makes sense. I have a frantic style of play that suits me well, but all it takes is a few hits here and there at high heat to ruin a run

What I am doing right now to improve my skill is trying to force myself to beat the game on the very first run

[cunning urchin]

First run and high heat are very different. Best way to practice for high heat is to just do high heat.

Good luck with your first run attempts.

[hoary sorrel]

Thanks! i have noticed though my ability to time dodges and avoid traps has improved though, so it is doing something lol

[tight basin]

if i'm playing pos sword with artemis cast, is it better to take another cast or +64% cast damage from chaos

[whole osprey]

64%

another cast is usually the same as a common cast % from chaos

so if its a cast % better then common then take it over another cast

[tight basin]

ah rip too late i got impatient

[worldly stream]

Is there any reason I never get jolted? Or is it bad luck.

[valid dagger]

Do you have a Zeus boon that opens it

[cunning urchin]

Oh yeah, it definitely helps. Just you're not getting experience with BP2 enemies, FO2, practice with other weapons than Zag Sword, etc.

[lucid oar]

In future, it depends on how much cast damage you have already. You already have aspect of Poseidon which gives 50%. Another cast is more useful if you already have +cast damage, and vice versa. But +1 and +64% are both so good you can’t really go wrong

[cunning urchin]

   (current_bonus_dmg + 1) /
   current_max_ammo```
That's how much bonus burst damage you get from +1 ammo. So without any bonus damage, a Grasp is equivalent to +33% Cast damage. That's not factoring in the time it takes to load all your ammo or for all of your Casts to go boom etc.

[tight basin]

i see

thanks guys

i just assumed another cast would be better because of exit wounds

which i didn't get until styx

[cunning urchin]

m not a guy.

[cunning urchin]

Well, Exit Wounds isn't factored into the equation I gave. But for the most part, Exit Wounds only matters in boss fights because most normal enemies just die to your Casts before you can actually dislodge them if you get a decent build.

[tight basin]

ah i meant it in the gender neutral term but my bad

[cunning urchin]

There's also other things to consider like damage breakpoints: for example, if you need two Casts to kill an enemy type, and if you take the bonus Cast damage it's not enough to kill that type with one Cast—that is, you'd still need two Casts to kill them anyway—then the bonus damage would make literally no difference when fighting that type, but getting more ammo would.

[tight basin]

i see

i'll keep that stuff in mind next time

[unreal tree]

This is literally the 109th time you've replied like this

[cunning urchin]

Not quite lol.

[worldly stream]

I have Zeus attack as a minimum

[valid dagger]

It should have a high chance of showing up overall, might just be bad rng

[worldly stream]

Oh

Thanks

[dreamy prism]

50% chance of showing up I believe?

per zeus roll when available

[cunning urchin]

(1) If all priority slots (i.e., Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash) are empty, fill all three slots with priority boons,
(2) if an exchange is possible, 10% chance to add an exchange to one free slot,
(3) if 2 fails and there are free priority slots, add one priority boon to one slot,
(4) 50% chance to add a tier 2 status curse (i.e., Jolted, Marked, Rupture, or Exposed) to one slot if boon requirements are met,
(5) roll for legendary/duo for each remaining slot,
(6) roll for epic for each remaining slot,
(7) roll for rare for each remaining slot,
(8) fill all remaining slots with common,
(9) fill all remaining slots with whatever is available.

[vernal lance]

is giglamesh better than demeter aspect

[lucid oar]

No

[dreamy prism]

no

[feral night]

of course, always, definitely

goatgamesh (i am joking)

[blissful barn]

is hera aspect good with ares and artemis duo boon

[proper furnace]

Not really, best cast for it is aphro cast

Tho if you want a hunting blades build you can use achilles spear for its 150% cast dmg

[blissful barn]

ah good to know i had some good escapes with dionysus cast too

[blissful barn]

oh yes thats good yes

[proper furnace]

Trippy flare is fun if you can get mirage shot (tho on Beo is way better cuz the dumb pom bug)

[blissful barn]

stil haven't had the conversation for beo

only for guan yu

kinda sad

[proper furnace]

Have you got the requisites for it? (Chaos mentioning the shield-titan blood invested)

[blissful barn]

No not yet

I haven’t used chaos that mush don’t know why tho

[proper furnace]

Chaos gates are nices

[blissful barn]

Yeah true should use it more

[proper furnace]

Either you get a really powerful boost, free room with a barely noticed curse or both

Specially on cast builds cuz otherwise is hard to get more cast dmg

[blissful barn]

Yeah should realy use it

Any tips on aspect of poseidon btw

[proper furnace]

Not really, just get your cast pom it a few times and any cast dmg or extra casts is welcome

Also global dmg

[blissful barn]

Exit wounds maybe?

Or is that not usefull

[proper furnace]

Only tip i would think is watching over the hydra hp during the fight, cuz uf you phase the hydra and your casts are still stuck in the main head you cant use the special on it

[proper furnace]

You only notice it on boss fights

[blissful barn]

Yeah that’s what i thought

[proper furnace]

Most common enemies should die to the casts themselves

[blissful barn]

Yeah and wich cast is the best?

[proper furnace]

I like Athena the most

Tho Aphro is strong as always

[blissful barn]

Oh yeah i will try it

[proper furnace]

If you go phalanx you can get zeus for lightning phalanx

Is fun

[blissful barn]

Is that duo or what cuz I normally don’t use zeus and athena ad the same time

[proper furnace]

Yeah their duo

Makes cast bounce around like zeus cast

[blissful barn]

That’s realy nice any other gods with it

[proper furnace]

Specially fun on the heroes fight

[blissful barn]

Oh yes

[proper furnace]

Finding aphro if you took zeus call can be good for smoldering air

A call is always a nice extra source of dmg/safety

Artemis also nice for things like PP + hunter's mark

[blissful barn]

Yeah i had a good dio and zeus call build yesterday

Ok so zeus, athena, aphro and artemis?

I shall try it

[proper furnace]

Dem can be ok for snow burst and other t2 from her

Or idk tidal dash + breaking wave if you dont have the AoE for styx

From hermes hyper sprint + rush delivery always gud for global dmg

Check charon wells for casts/cast dmg (can use his keeosake too) and same for chaos (light of ixion-natural chaos gates)

[blissful barn]

I think i am going with zeus athena aphro and the last will come at his own i guess

[blissful barn]

Yes that’s indeed handy

[tight basin]

i use artemis cast and poseidon special for mirage shot is that not a good idea lmao

for pos sword

[strange lark]

artemis cast isnt that good

because of the low damage, low crit rate, and no aoe

[tight basin]

dang looks like i need to be half decent with cast aiming now

[valid dagger]

My go-tos are Aphro or Athena

[tight basin]

i'll prob use athena because aprho's range is quite short for me

[strange lark]

i am a zeus cast enjoyer only in tartarus

[dreamy prism]

zeus cast hater gang

[tight basin]

ive tried zeus cast once before and i just couldn't track where my cast was going lmao

[valid dagger]

Retrash's 55 Heat with Poseidon Sword was Artemis cast

It was also a totally hitless EM4

[dreamy prism]

yooo nice

love true shot

I guess it doesn't need poms that much right

[valid dagger]

The fight is too flawless

[tight basin]

i think artemis cast is pretty decent on pos sword because it can still chunk bosses with exit wounds

clearing rooms is much harder but you can insta-phase bosses at times

[dreamy prism]

I like the homing on it

[tawny grove]

arty cast feels kinda zeus cast

[cunning urchin]

I wrote a general guide for Cast builds here: #h1-builds-and-combat message

[tight basin]

covers for our bad aim

[dreamy prism]

it means the stones don't vanish into lava or whatever

lmao facts

[cunning urchin]

What's bad aim? Never had that.

[tight basin]

all i have is bad aim

[cunning urchin]

Can't relate.

[tawny grove]

autoaim on casts update

[cunning urchin]

Commoners.

[tawny grove]

no more hunting blades

[dreamy prism]

bad aim hestia was my life before I learned about auto aim

[tight basin]

i play kbm so i cant use autoaim

unless i'm missing something

[dreamy prism]

you can thankfully

turn off shoot at cursor

[cunning urchin]

My aim is always true because I follow my heart.

[valid dagger]

Well you can doesnt mean its good

It's mainly good on Rails

[tight basin]

so do you just like, hit the attack button and it'll actually hit

[dreamy prism]

yeah I like it on hestia

[valid dagger]

Not on everything

[tight basin]

yeah i was only gonna do it for hestia

[dreamy prism]

oh and you obviously want aim assist on

[tight basin]

makes sense lol

[strange lark]

imagine needing assist aiming

[proper furnace]

I dont need to imagine

[tight basin]

a third grader playing kickball for their first time has better aim than me

[vale island]

Hey, I'm new here, how do you know what boons work good with what weapons, specifically Poseidon

[valid dagger]

Poseidon Aspect?

You can start with Phalanx Shot and look for a Zeus core to open up Lightning Phalanx, pom your cast as much as possible, then just look for good supporting boons, most attacks are nice, Athena on Special is very good because it makes the weapon feel a lot safer, you can also shoot for Mirage shot but it's a bit too hard to get sometimes because it's 2 other gods that you're not starting with, Demeter is really nice for Snow Burst /Rav Will / Killing Freeze etc, just wing it, can always just do Merciful End too

The Aspect's passive is a +50% Cast damage bonus buff which is pretty substantial, and the Special also allows you to dislodge the casts which makes it quite nice for bosses while with some other aspects you'll just be waiting for them to pop off, Casts usually have very good pom scaling and having them as your source of damage it just makes sense to pom them all the time, the reason Phalanx Shot is considered one of the best if not the best Cast for Poseidon Sword is because of the big damage that it does, if you compare that with Zeus' Cast for example, Zeus' cast has really nice room clearing especially earlier in the run where enemies aren't as beefy, but when it comes to bossing and some tougher enemies the damage really falls off, so Phalanx does really well in bosses, and if you combine it with Zeus and get Lightning Phalanx it becomes incredibly strong in rooms too, another good cast to use on Poseidon Sword is Crush Shot, it has big damage too, and although it is short range it applies Weak on enemies which is active damage reduction so it's reasonably safe, also you should be one shotting most enemies and getting your casts back almost immediately then moving on to other enemies, it's only bosses where you have to be very deliberate, it's good to note that this is still a sword afterall and you should use your dash strikes to back up your cast damage when you have to or during cast downtime, so you can lead with a cast then follow up with 2 dash strikes to finish off the enemy, get your casts back and move on etc

[proven osprey]

true

[valid dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/947239322573213736/D5613C0A-C228-4B4E-A1FA-438B89A804BD.gif

[strange lark]

Why did you write an essay for this can't you just link a thegamer video

[proper furnace]

Thats a lot of words

[valid dagger]

I didnt

I copy pasted it

I’ll link thegamer vid next time

[strange lark]

Will save you a lot of time

[acoustic vale]

idk personally I prefer text to video

[valid dagger]

It is a joke just in case

TheGamer made a vid about like op builds or something but it feels like they havent even played the game, just put some random things together

So some people make fun of it

[acoustic vale]

Oh, I didn't know that

[vale island]

Sorry, I meant Poseidon boons

Which Poseidon Boons work well with what weapons

[acoustic vale]

they kinda work well with all weapons imo

[unreal tree]

dont take his attack ever

[proper furnace]

B-but super soaker

[valid dagger]

The Attack has a very low % boost, even with rarity, pom scaling is terrible and the knockback is just pain to deal with, so the Attack is not an option you ever consider unless you’re memeing, his Special has a big %, it can work on anything that requires a beefy special, like Eris Hestia Guan yu maybe, the issue with it is there are better picks (as in better for the Special and also better from Poseidon), his Cast is mediocre, it wont do much on its own, usually not something you prioritize, its problem is mainly the low damage compared to other options, some builds still rely on it tho such as Flood Flare Beowulf but that’s more of an exceptional one and works quite differently. Poseidon’s dash is amazing, it has incredible pom scaling and massive aoe, and the knockback you get from it is really nice on a lot of weapons due to wall slams etc, just good damage all around, wouldnt pair it with weapons where you’re meant to keep enemies close to you because it’ll keep pushing them, like on Bows and Fists it’s weird to play with but it’s strong enough that people still want to force it and experiment with it. Call is just good all around
Poseidon gets a lot of strength from his T2s, Shoals is underestimated often but it’s a lot of damage, cant go wrong with it, Breaking Wave is another amazing one, synergizes really well with the Dash, pushing enemies into walls/each other will just demolish them, Typhoon’s Fury is a weaker version of Breaking Wave sort of, it’s an okay pick sometimes. Another boon worth mentioning is Hydraulic Might, on aspects such as Hestia, Nemesis, Zag Bow, Rama etc that use % scaling on Attack and Special it’s a great pick, and speeds up rooms a lot.

Still just a very vague idea of his boons and synergies

Also I forgot about rip current, Rip current is available once you have Poseidon’s Call, it’s really fun to play with

[acoustic vale]

Poisdeons call is worse on kbm to my understanding, harder to control. I've never used controller so I can't provide first hand evidence but it IS annoying on mouse I know that

[hoary sorrel]

Can confirm.

[proper furnace]

Is nice on controller yeah

Easy to hit twice with a minor call

[unreal tree]

Minor advice. take it or leave it. I am a pro at keyboard and awful on controllers but for this game its a huge mistake to play on keyboard. Just do yourself a favor and buy a controller. For some games like this or hollow knight, its mandatory.

[strange lark]

ty angle

[proper furnace]

Angle the goat cat

[acoustic vale]

Angel is wrong

I swear the server has this discussion multiple times per week

[proper furnace]

Is a copypasta

[acoustic vale]

Oh

The problem with short copypastas like this is that if you don't know about the copypasta it looks like an attempt at genuine advice

[proper furnace]

I think most top players use kbm iirc too lol

[acoustic vale]

A number of them do

[strange lark]

Angel herself plays on kbm

[acoustic vale]

I see

[unreal tree]

Its so arrogant I love this one

Up there with toffel's special only rama

[proper furnace]

Nothing beats the idk man tho

[tight basin]

Special only with rama sounds funny

[tawny grove]

i don’t know man as someone with-

[proper furnace]

Try it with artemis special

[tight basin]

Why Artemis? I figured Zeus would've been better

Or is Artemis part of the meme

[strange lark]

It's a meme

Because the special has a base damage of 15

[tight basin]

Crit for 45 let's go

[strange lark]

5 damage per arrow

[tight basin]

Oh

[strange lark]

So actually 15 damage crits

Poggie

[tight basin]

Can't wait to see those "15!"s

[unreal tree]

https://imgur.com/a/JCuAZcS

[tight basin]

Hermes special boost too lmfao

[unreal tree]

Theres like a 100% special chaos here I'm pretty surr

[tight basin]

Oh dang

Yeah I'm doing this next run and will die spectacularly

[proper furnace]

Do RaME

[strange lark]

RaME is legit good

same thing with MEstia

ME is just good on everything

[proper furnace]

LuciMEr?

[shell sleet]

MEowulf

[quasi knoll]

So I have been looking at the Beowulf shield builds for a while and I’m kinda confused on how Dragon Rush works

Can anyone explain the dragon rush thing

[proper furnace]

If you load a cast it gets wider and does extra dmg

Casts are released at the end of it

They also have a lot of AoE so its mainly cast builds

[hoary sorrel]

I have something like 60 clears in hades, but I have never really figured out how to use the bow, or what good builds for it are. Can someone give me some high level info on what the aspects are best suited towards and how to put together an effective build for it?

[unreal tree]

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide

[hoary sorrel]

Cool, thanks

[feral night]

never do the standing attack ever, only dash-strike

[dreamy prism]

lol MEowulf

ares attack athena cast?

[proper furnace]

I feel you still want the dash lol

[dreamy prism]

yeah but that's lame tbh

I respect ME that doesn't abuse ddash

[proper furnace]

So Zeus shield only?

[dreamy prism]

lol rip

rmacinty tried hera ME I think

it was kinda funny

[unreal tree]

Maybe you should put the meow in MEowulf

[valid dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/940375823800754218.gif?size=44&quality=lossless

[sterile fiber]

Guan ME

Ares attack Athena special Charged Skewer

Zag spear can also do it but needs exploding launcher as well

[worn solar]

you can also do it with fists

just dash strike -> upper

[sterile fiber]

I think I've seen a reverse Meow-olf in the wild

ares special Athena attack

[acoustic vale]

I keep seeing people talk about clockets. What exactly makes cluster bomb and rockets so good together?

[valid dagger]

5 rockets, massive aoe, 400 base damage, what’s not to like

And you can shotgun with it

Cluster Bomb makes your Special do 30% less damage or something, but if you get Rocket with that then that damage reduction is nullified

And you end up with 80x5

[hexed fable]

Anyone else struggle to use anything else other than Achilles aspect? That bull rush just feels like it should have been a hammer upgrade

[valid dagger]

Achilles is pretty strong, other Spears have different gimmicks tho, a raging rush on Hades spear would ruin the whole thing, on Zag spear it would be exactly like Achilles and Guan Yu just has a totally different Special, and a hammer that makes it incredibly strong too

[astral lantern]

Anyone know a good spear I can use to grind titan blood

[tight basin]

i think people here have suggested using achille's spear with hunting blades? someone correct me if im wrong tho

[valid dagger]

Well that build is quite good but Achilles is just very versatile

You can run so many things

[strange lark]

<@&456908176877551658>

[unkempt pagoda]

👍

[strange lark]

[hallow geyser]

Guys I have mistakenly spent a titan blood in Achilles aspect of spear

Is it good?

[proper furnace]

Ye

[hallow geyser]

Shall I upgrade it

Also could you tell me a good build with it

Haven't beaten Hades yet

Any help here

[crystal roost]

Can I please get some advice for Theseus and the Minotaur? This fight is starting to really bum me out and make the game less enjoyable for me. I’ve only beat them 3 out of 15+ times, and those 3 times were when I had 3 death defiances and I barely made it out alive. I found a “brain dead” build on YT with Aegis + Aspect of Chaos + Ares doom boon last night, which was really helpful for taking less damage in the first 2 biomes and most of Elysium. Unfortunately I wasted my other titan bloods on Aspects I ended up hating and not using, so it’s only been upgraded once. Also, I got really overwhelmed with my first Wretched Sneak encounter (too fast to block/bull rush) and my first Dire Soul Catcher that was spawning freaking exalted so some advice for these 2 would be appreciated too. I’ve watched some YT vids for Theseus and the Minotaur and understand their attacks for the most part, I just suck at avoiding getting hit. I always go for the Minotaur first and try to dodge Theseus’s spear, but with Theseus sometimes he moves out of the direct center of the stage, so then his spear comes at an angle I’m not expecting it to, hitting me even if I’m behind a pillar. This is hard when I can’t see him. For some reason all of the Minotaur’s attacks seem to hit me even when I’m deflecting with my shield, so I think I’m doing something wrong there. When I get Theseus alone, I feel comfortable blocking his shield throw, but have trouble landing damage on him between them because of his shield. The weapon I’ve used the most up to this point is Varatha, which has a backstab when I throw call back its special, is there any advice to consistently damaging him with Aegis? The one time I beat him with Aegis is because I had Divine Dash and was dashing by him for damage lol. Is there a way to deflect the circles on the ground when he asks a god for help? Anyways, any advice would be great! I HATE Theseus. Imagine 3v1’ing someone and then bragging about winning.

[proper furnace]

You cant deflect the god's aid

Use your dash without dash striking to use its iframes to dodge

[hallow geyser]

Hey mate could you suggest an Achilles spear build

[feral night]

pick your favorite cast (best are hunting blades, crystal clarity, and ice wine) and spam it

[hallow geyser]

What

I basically always avoid those

[feral night]

get flurry jab and deadly strike and use that too

[hallow geyser]

Because I like the extra damage from the cast in them

[feral night]

it's useful, but your casts doing 150% damage more than makes up for it

meme beam builds shred, and ice wine is probably my favorite build in hades

just so much fun

[hallow geyser]

So what was deadly strike?

[feral night]

artemis attack

[hallow geyser]

Shall I go for Artemis in asphodel keepsake

Still don't have any attack

[feral night]

when your attack already has % bonus from the special, the multiplicative from crits is more useful than more %

what hammer did you get?

[hallow geyser]

Still no hammer

[feral night]

yeah go for artemis

flurry jab is top priority

[hallow geyser]

So icy clarity or hunting blades?

I hat Dionysius cast

Too slow

[feral night]

ice wine makes it come out way faster

hunting blades is better generally

[hallow geyser]

What is ice wine

Duo?

[feral night]

dionysus/demeter duo

hunting blades is ares/arte duo

and crystal clarity is dem/arte duo

[hallow geyser]

I already have Aphrodite Athena duo

[proper furnace]

You can also go lightbing strike + phalanx shot

[feral night]

phalanx shot is great

[proper furnace]

You want quick reload from hermes tho

[feral night]

lightning phalanx is a fun duo

[hallow geyser]

What is That

[proper furnace]

Athena cast

[hallow geyser]

I already have a duo can I get another one

[strange lark]

For Achilles you start tidal dash and take either Artemis or Zeus attack, and then you aim for ares cast if you have Artemis attack or Athena cast if you have Zeus attack

[feral night]

you can get a lot of duos, you're not limited to one

[strange lark]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/18uZziGYDyVCwc-XgcveoY8MXp6Lwq0BD6xDV38cuYWo/edit?usp=drivesdk

Good Achilles guide

[feral night]

ice wine+scintillating feast for example, that's how you complete an ice wine build

[strange lark]

https://youtu.be/Sw71YcKj9xI

Decent Achilles player

[valid dagger]

Decent = The best Achilles player right now

[proper furnace]

With the +1 dash gaming

[hallow geyser]

So how to get hunting blades?

Got it

So of I get two of the req, I need a another Artemis boon to get the duo right?

[gusty rapids]

another arty or ares

[hallow geyser]

Guys my first run with an aspect has gone disastrous

This was my 22nd run

I died in Styx temple, but that is because I was lucky enough to be offered two dd refills by Eurydice

I felt the problem is that I tried to dash strike

If just stroke normally it would have been better

Why do you dash strike with Achilles spear?

[tight basin]

what is your typical build for a run?

because ngl my whole strategy for the heroes fight is face tanking it if i'm using fists, sword, spear, or shield

also i recommend using the acorn or skelly's keepsake
acorn gives immunity to first few hits and skelly gives an extra death defiance

[tight basin]

will mention that this generally only works if your dps is pretty high

[crystal roost]

@tight basin I’m embarrassed to say I don’t have a typical build… I used to just start with Varatha and do whatever added damage, mainly spamming special. I just starting using a build last night with Aegis + Chaos + doom since people on Youtube said it’s the easiest lol. It’s helping but it’s really slow which is an adjustment. And yeah, I’ve been using Skelly for Elysium!

[tight basin]

also divine dash is just helpful overall, so i recommend always trying to utilize that for extra safety

[worn solar]

dash strikes give mobility, reach, and are better dps

[tight basin]

do you not use a god's keepsake at the start?

[worn solar]

just know that dash striking doesnt give i frames

[crystal roost]

@tight basin I just started doing that yesterday as well T_T Until yesterday I could only consistently clear the first two biomes if I used Skelly’s or Cerberus’s keepsakes lol. I’m starting with Ares now?

[tight basin]

before yesterday was your weapon of choice the spear?

[worn solar]

if using spear then easiest without relying on hammer is prolly zeus attack start and try to get static discharge. ares attack is also good if its rare or epic and you slap poms into it

[crystal roost]

@tight basin Yep!

[tight basin]

tbh for beginners the easiest way to clear any sort of room or boss is to go for merciful end lmao
i dont have a lot of experience with the spear at all so i can't be much help of how to use it tho

i've only just started using the spear and i'm not even using it for a proper attack combo i'm using achille's aspect for hunting blades lmao

[worn solar]

its pretty much dash striking. your special is garbage unless you get explosive launcher

best hammers are flurry jab and explosive launcher + charged skewer if you get explosive

others are pretty meh

[tight basin]

yeah special is largely useless unless you want to backstab stuff on the way back

but doesnt do a lot of damage

[crystal roost]

@tight basin Ooo I didn’t know about that, just looked it up. Thanks! I’ll try to get it on my next run

[tight basin]

make sure you put doom on your attack

[worn solar]

or zeus

[crystal roost]

I think I got used to just abusing my special, I almost never dash strike. Need to work on that haha

I like the range cause it keeps me away

[tight basin]

ares attack, athena special, get divine dash while praying for Merciful end to show up

[worn solar]

tidal dash is pretty great for extra damage especially with razor shoals

[crystal roost]

Ty guys ;A;

[tight basin]

might be a stupid question but does mirage shot work with slicing shot? and if it does how does it work?

[proper furnace]

Just creates another rift?

[lucid oar]

Yeah

[crystal roost]

Cleared my first run! Ty everyone who had advice for me earlier 😄 I didn’t realize… the story… would be so sad… ;A;

[topaz shoal]

yea fr

i thought the ending was gonna be hopeful atleast or just hopeless

but for some reason what it ended up being was more sad than a truly hopeless ending

[proper furnace]

Congrats!

Now do it again

[feral night]

nine more times

[topaz shoal]

how many times do u have to beat the game for it to actually end

end to me means the story is wrapped up

not doing 10000 heat runs forever n ever

[proper furnace]

10th clear is ending (credits)

There can be a lot more for the epilogue tho

[topaz shoal]

is there a heat req or no

[proper furnace]

No

Tho using heat so you can get more titan blood/diamonds/ambrosia is great

[topaz shoal]

wait so heat basically only exists for the rewards?

[proper furnace]

Yeah

[feral night]

and the fun, but yeah

[proper furnace]

Sgg doesnt like forcing hard extra challenges just for the endings

[topaz shoal]

wb the epilogue when does that end

oh ok

[proper furnace]

Varies at its needs you to deepen your relationship with the olympians

And with the dialogue being somewhat rng some may take longer than others

[topaz shoal]

wait so is the epilogue lore basically a nectar grind

[proper furnace]

And a but of ambrosia yeah

*bit

[topaz shoal]

which heat dials are the easiest to turn up for low heats

ik its a weird question but im still kinda bad so i just needa know which things are the least detrimental to increase

[harsh patio]

I suggest turn up Damage control, jury summons, and convenience fee.

[tight basin]

Tough deadline

If you're below like 30 minutes a clear then it's nothing

Jury summons can suck at times, damage control isn't too bad for certain weapons, convenience fee isn't too bad either

[harsh patio]

Yeah. I guess I just find jury summons easy because I use the sword special a lot to kill multiple foes.

[tight basin]

1 jury summons isn't bad if you're consistent at clearing rooms

[proper furnace]

Js kinda bad

[random relic]

generally, people consider em2 to be a free 3 heat once you get used to it (barely takes any time) you can slowly ease yourself up to td3 once you start getting faster (1/3/6 heat depending on level) and mm is a reasonably easy 2 heat. once you start getting into higher heat you can add other stuff

[proper furnace]

Em1-2 isnt half bad either

Also yeah MM

[random relic]

js, dc, and cf are all really annoying pacts. i would not take them until you get well into the game

[tight basin]

Em lernie can be a pain

[random relic]

i honestly find it easier than regular

[proper furnace]

UC is fine if you have dark forsight

Just need to learn to take 1 random boon

Or not cuz not always you get everything at your favor lol

[tight basin]

Sometimes it is but for me majority of the time I get slapped pretty heavily

[proper furnace]

Em2 is a pain on high heat/have HS on

[random relic]

yes em2 does suck with hs

[harsh patio]

What do you guys prefer for killing foes fast?
Hangover or Doom?

[proper furnace]

Hangover if playing Eris, doom for everything else

Tho actual answer? Neither

[random relic]

yeah neither really

need to try for ME builds but doom and hangover arent great

[proper furnace]

Hangover isnt thaaat bad, nice substitue to eris high heat when jolted is out of the table

You just want poms

[feral night]

extreme measures 1 (1h) extreme measure 2 (2h) tight deadline1 (1h) td2 (2h) hard labour (1-5h), middle management as long as you don't get power couple (2h)

[proper furnace]

power couple isnt that bad with MM tho

[thick trench]

Guys why doesnt underworld customs work?

Im trying to do a no-olympian run

and i just got to hades

and i had one boon

and its still there

wheni walk through the gate

[lucid oar]

It forces you to sell a boon inbetween biomes

It doesn’t take them away automatically

And it doesn’t do this right before the hades fight

[feral night]

it's really hard if you don't know what you're doing
the other ones are practically the same as the originals

[thick trench]

So, is the no-olympian run just luck?

You just have to pray cerebus' snack

is in a non-boon room?