Yea it’s slower
#h1-builds-and-combat
valid dagger
dreamy prism
eg every level of TD should drop guaranteed sack chamber
long escarp
Remember to dash strike always
valid dagger
Make sure you’re dash striking
valid dagger
🇧🇴
long escarp
Zeus: Special and call
Poseidon: Cast and call
Athena: Dash and call
Aphrodite: Attack
Artemis: Attack or dash
Ares: Special
Dionysus: Special and call
Demeter: Special
dreamy prism
but yeah otherwise standing rama trash tier
long escarp
I tried to time standing rama attacks on dad during 32
“It worked” does not mean it’s good 
valid dagger
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/881062156597067817.gif?size=44&quality=lossles...
Who made this
unreal tree
Who made this <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
I dont know
valid dagger
Pretty sus gif
long escarp
Dash strikes are maybe a little bit too good in Hades as a whole. But also they’re a lot more interactive since movement is inherently more interesting gameplay imo, so it might actually end up being beneficial to the game
valid dagger
Yea that’s true
dreamy prism
their natural skill ceiling wrt iframes is nice I think
long escarp
Like on one hand, it feels a bit weird that the best way to play basically every weapon is to use dash strikes as much as possible, but on the other hand it actually leads to fast-paced gameplay that makes more use of positioning and stuff. So I can’t complain
dreamy prism
they're too damn snappy smh
I feel like any fist hammer for non dash special is trash for that reason
those exist right
vast ledge
Like on one hand, it feels a bit weird that the best way to play basically every...
Ah, I was always going for special spam with deflect when I use the sword. Is dash strike stronger?
dreamy prism
oh and same for all those sword hammers especially cruel thrust 🤮
long escarp
Ah, I was always going for special spam with deflect when I use the sword. Is da...
Yes
Dash strike -> dash strike -> special
That’s the combo
long escarp
That’s a joke right
vast ledge
Am I still dash strike with sword if I got 2 hammer on special?
dreamy prism
for legal reasons that's a joke
long escarp
Yes
valid dagger
Am I still dash strike with sword if I got 2 hammer on special?
Yes
long escarp
Do you actually just spam special on Arthur and that’s it?
valid dagger
Special is never gonna be your source of damage on sword
long escarp
Ok good, had me scared for a second
valid dagger
dreamy prism
special is op but I don't think you can make it work as damage
long escarp
Arthur special is so slow that you can dash twice before it lands
long escarp
You can’t get dash nova on Arthur can you?
valid dagger
cease
long escarp
Really? How does that even work
vast ledge
With Arthur I try to get as many dmg reduction as possible. Then I take bracelet at Styx and dual Hades from the front. Didn’t even need to dodge anything.
long escarp
Triple dash special?
valid dagger
I don’t think you can dash before it if you get Dash Nova
long escarp
With Arthur I try to get as many dmg reduction as possible. Then I take bracelet...
I would highly suggest against bracer
vast ledge
With Arthur I try to get as many dmg reduction as possible. Then I take bracelet...
When I dash, I exposed my back and got hit harder.
dreamy prism
lol dash nova tech op
long escarp
Bracer is quite bad
dreamy prism
tbh I used to use bracer on arthur
not because it was good but because it was funny
valid dagger
Just get Weak on the attack and place your aura
long escarp
Also damage reduction is multiplicative
valid dagger
What more reduction do you need
dreamy prism
abyssal + weak + bronze skin/aphro damage reduction + greater consecration + sturdy + bracer is just hilarious
extremely overkill obviously
long escarp
God mode at home
dreamy prism
lmao
also is ruthless reflex good on arthur
I remember experimenting with it
not at 32+ though
vast ledge
extremely overkill obviously
That’s basically what I got the first time I used Arthur. Hades hit like, 3 damage. I’d have regen hp faster then him attacking if he somehow get past all 3 defiance.
long escarp
also is ruthless reflex good on arthur
No
dreamy prism
yeah it's weird to see him tickle you when we're so used to him dealing ridiculous dps esp on hell mode
long escarp
RR is for Gilga and shields only pretty much
dreamy prism
just arthur vibes
dreamy prism
RR is for Gilga and shields only pretty much
bummer
my friend said RR is like required for 50 heat EM4 + highrolling +dashes
on beo that is
valid dagger
Lmfao
dreamy prism
or what he said was he wouldn't have survived without it
long escarp
I did 50-53 on Beo just fine with GR
RR is good though
But I’m not used to it so I don’t use it
dreamy prism
I guess if I keep dying to EM4 it's a highroll option
valid dagger
RR on Beo is good but also you don’t need dashes to go with it
long escarp
Yeah that too
long escarp
That’s the reason that it works
valid dagger
I did 55 without
long escarp
If you need more dashes for it to be okay then you just shouldn’t use it
dreamy prism
hm interesting
valid dagger
And in rooms I end up chasing things
long escarp
I have a lot of trouble just getting around rooms without a second dash
valid dagger
Especially Aspho
dreamy prism
it's same proccing as lightning reflexes right?
long escarp
And I rarely find myself dodging attacks with dash in Hades fight since I just can block
valid dagger
But it’s good I did 53 54 55 with it 🗿
dreamy prism
I guess less so since with one dash you just near miss less
long escarp
Yeah
dreamy prism
makes sense
valid dagger
And use my dash for mobility more so than iframes
dreamy prism
that reminds me am I alone in loving lightning reflexes
long escarp
Probably
valid dagger
It’s cool if you get Jolted
dreamy prism
for non zeus builds getting that + jolted is so nice
vast ledge
Isn’t RR pretty good with Hestia gun?
valid dagger
Nah
long escarp
Definitely not
valid dagger
Hestia likes dashes
long escarp
For a multitude of reasons
valid dagger
For cancelling reloads and it’s also damage
dreamy prism
like if zeus is otherwise useless for me I sometimes even reroll for lightning reflexes
valid dagger
And also it’s very hard to dodge things with Rr
dreamy prism
it just procs so much
valid dagger
1 dash isn’t a lot of iframes against tougher things like EM4 etc
long escarp
Also Hestia doesn’t really benefit that much from global damage
dreamy prism
since aphro attack
long escarp
like if zeus is otherwise useless for me I sometimes even reroll for lightning r...
I’d definitely say to never do that
dreamy prism
and infrequent calls unless smoldering
long escarp
It’s nowhere near good enough to warrant a roll
dreamy prism
lol yeah you're right
man I love it so much though
it's like a whole extra dash boon
long escarp
Even if that roll was 100% guaranteed to give me LR, I’d still literally never ever roll for it in any situation
valid dagger
It barely matters
long escarp
it's like a whole extra dash boon
It’s really not though
valid dagger
And it’s not a lot of damage anyway
long escarp
it just procs so much
I think you’re colossally overestimating how often it procs
vast ledge
Maybe at high heat I’ll need more dash but I’m still at 2 heat with guns (it doesn’t get dark thirst often) and I never need 2nd dash with Hestia since everything is miles away from me.
long escarp
?
valid dagger
I mean you can make RR work on anything
dreamy prism
the "skill floor" hestia play I was stuck at for a while doesn't need two dashes
without FO that is
long escarp
Also if everything is so far away then why are you even using RR if you’re not getting any benefit out of it
valid dagger
dreamy prism
since it has a very safe playstyle for lower heat
dreamy prism
facts
valid dagger
Moreso at high heat obviously but still I think you’ll end up taking lots of hits
long escarp
RR Hestia is incredibly bad (compared to GR). That’s my solid opinion on it. It’s a super bad choice at any heat.
dreamy prism
but yeah for lower heat you can get away with not even canceling reload animation so I can see why RR seems appealing
long escarp
Very big downside with incredibly minimal upside
vast ledge
Also if everything is so far away then why are you even using RR if you’re not g...
To purposefully run into range attack then dash away. In some runs that means I only need 1 attack to kill stuff on Elysium instead of 2.
dreamy prism
oh dear
valid dagger
I mean that should be every hestia run
long escarp
Yeah that’s just Hestia
valid dagger
with or without the rr buff
You should one shot because you’re looking for a big attack anyway
vast ledge
Ah, so it’s additive buff?
long escarp
Yes
valid dagger
And you have multiple scaling options
long escarp
It sucks on Hestia
long escarp
For so many reasons, it’s very bad on Hestia
valid dagger
this is why RR should be +25% crit chance
🗿
dapper surge
That was my first bow run with any heat at all
dreamy prism
chiron success?
dapper surge
Yeah
dapper surge
It still felt pretty awkward but at least the boss fights were easy
dreamy prism
yep that's its specialty
dapper surge
Highest heat I've gotten is 10 with beowolf
long escarp
this is why RR should be +25% crit chance
+50% dodge chance, +50% damage, +25% crit chance, +75% move speed, +146% ambiguity bonus, +0.4 seconds of Crystal Beam duration, +3 ammo, +14% dash distance
vast ledge
I still have to learn a lot of how stuff stacks. It’s still my first week playing this.
dreamy prism
too strong, nerf +ambiguity
long escarp
I still have to learn a lot of how stuff stacks. It’s still my first week playin...
Anything that says +X% damage is additive
Some things work better with additive damage than others
dreamy prism
aka anything whose damage isn't already a big chunky +X%
long escarp
Heartbreak strike works very bad with additive damage, deadly strike works well with additive damage, cast boons work very well with additive damage
dreamy prism
I remember hearing about how sweet surrender was really op
long escarp
It’s not “really op”
long escarp
Can be pretty good in some situations though
dreamy prism
poor naive me
long escarp
Definitely not broken though
dreamy prism
oh yeah no
long escarp
Did you hear that on Reddit?
long escarp
Reddit is the hub of “random opinions that random person pulled out of their ass and presented as a fact”
dreamy prism
facts
you ask someone why they think something and invariably the answer is "I got my first completion last night with it"
long escarp
Literally true
dreamy prism
"olympian favor carried my run trust me bro"
long escarp
And then I can provide a detailed argument as to why it’s bad, and now suddenly I’m telling them how to play and I’m being elitist 🗿
Because for some people, “I like X boon” is the same as “X boon is really good”, which naturally creates some issues
dreamy prism
I get it's a game and you're supposed to have fun but if all you're doing is throwing run after run trying to replicate that epic fully loaded meme beams shouldn't you be trying something else
one of the worst offenders of that is FF vs PS
so many people say "I get PS is actively hurting me but I like the sound it makes 🥺"
like ok
long escarp
It’s fine to play whatever you want, but don’t say “this thing is super good” and then get frustrated when I say that it’s actually not good. Just say you like it because that’s an opinion and not something I can prove or disprove lmao
vast ledge
What is FF and PS?
dreamy prism
family favorites, privileged status
most reddit users swear by PS to their detriment
dapper surge
Sorry for asking this in the middle of the conversation but I just unlocked the option to get the aspect of Rama (the final bow aspect) is it any good?
dreamy prism
very
dapper surge
Oh
long escarp
so many people say "I get PS is actively hurting me but I like the sound it make...
Reddit Hades players on their way to take two incredibly terrible boons in order to get an extra 15% from PStat when they could just take FF and take good boons
dreamy prism
top 5 aspects? idk
long escarp
Sorry for asking this in the middle of the conversation but I just unlocked the ...
Rama is real good, yeah
vast ledge
I still don’t know if I should pick FF or PS for each weapons. Actually I didn’t even have enough darkness to fully upgrade it yet.
dapper surge
From the description it doesn't really sound that great but I trust you all
long escarp
top 5 aspects? idk
For heat, yes
dreamy prism
Reddit Hades players on their way to take two incredibly terrible boons in order...
trust me bro my PS is active all the time from blinding flash and hunter's mark
long escarp
I still don’t know if I should pick FF or PS for each weapons. Actually I didn’t...
Always pick FF over PStat unless your build is planning to get two status effects already (which is pretty rare). Examples of this are Low Tolerance or Passion Flare + Snow Burst on Beo
dreamy prism
I still don’t know if I should pick FF or PS for each weapons. Actually I didn’t...
my rule of thumb is if I'm forcing two gods' boons that use weak, chill, doom, or hangover, I take PS
which kinda just leaves chiron and passion beo
that's sad
long escarp
PStat is good when it’s good but beside those specific situations, just use FF
vast ledge
which kinda just leaves chiron and passion beo
Isn’t Rama also utilizes 2 status? Heartbreak strike and hangover/doom/jolted special?
dreamy prism
hm I guess but you're not really forcing hangover/doom
maybe if I pick up aphro attack and next chamber is dio I'll give up and flip on PS
long escarp
Isn’t Rama also utilizes 2 status? Heartbreak strike and hangover/doom/jolted sp...
Nah not worth it
Just take FF because it’s more consistent
Those statuses won’t always be active
dreamy prism
even then at high heat there's usually something messing with your build
you really really don't want UC to cost you PS which regularly happens
so yeah I run PS exclusively on dio/demeter/ares chiron and passion beo
dapper surge
So if you don't mind me asking, why is Rama so good?
long escarp
Huge damage with great crowd control
Watch some Rama high heat vods (or the anyheat wr by Ocaml) and you’ll see what I mean
vast ledge
Which weapons do I take backstab and which one do I take increase damage to undamaged foes?
dapper surge
I kinda suck but once you get the final aspect of the sword (it'll take time) I feel like that would be the best for both
Could totally be wrong though
valid dagger
Which weapons do I take backstab and which one do I take increase damage to unda...
It depends on what you’re doing, when speedrunning you usually take Fiery Presence because the first hit matters and you want to hit certain breakpoints
When enemies become tougher due to heat and you start to fail to hit those breakpoints you can opt for backstabs instead
Also some weapons don’t really have a strong first hit
Like Achilles
vast ledge
I thought it was something like backstab for melee first hit for range.
valid dagger
Nah doesn’t have to do with that
vast ledge
About Rama special + lightning boon. Does the lightning damage proc with all 3 arrows or just the first one?
I put lightning on normal bow before and shot it point blank but only 1 lightning applies.
proper furnace
I think it still runs into the cooldown with rama special
shell sleet
About Rama special + lightning boon. Does the lightning damage proc with all 3 a...
only 1 proc
I think even with the hammer that gives 7 special arrows it's still only 1 but I could be wrong on that
valid dagger
Ty
feral night
does family favorite still apply if you purged the god's boon
valid dagger
No
feral night
can someone tell me why dash at cursor is bad
ocean turret
OP Fist build 1.Aspect of talos 2.slothful flourish 3.Deadly flourish 4. Urge to kill (nail of talos is optional)
drowsy wind
can someone tell me why dash at cursor is bad
Dash at cursor is bad?
shell sleet
yes dash at cursor is horrible
feral night
according to the people i've talked to, idk why, it seems a lot better
shell sleet
dont use it
feral night
why tho?
tight basin
your cursor is generally aimed at enemies, and if you need to dash away, your left hand is responsible for general movement
making your right hand do more work just isn't preferable
i mean i guess for some weapons it doesn't matter too much like the melee ones, but for ranged ones, keeping your distance and firing fast makes it hard when every time you dash you have to reset your aim
valid dagger
according to the people i've talked to, idk why, it seems a lot better
Do they play on controller
tight basin
like for hestia, the idea is to basically shoot, reload, dash. since you generally dont want to dash towards them, you'll have to move your cursor over, dash, then aim again. without dash at cursor, you can dash to the side while keeping your target in line
proper furnace
At least on speedrun context you want to dash toward enemies
Cuz tidal dash/clockets
tight basin
fair
although if you aren't speedrunning and are doing high heat it's definitely not great imo
proper furnace
Oh im not saying to use dash at cursor 
just about the "dash towards/away from enemies"
whole osprey
also some attacks dont auto aim well
like rail speical u need to aim even with auto aim on
aiming + dash both with cursor is not 2 things u want to do at the same time
long escarp
How is that related to dash at cursor?
whole osprey
wouldnt aiming at ur cursor and dashing to ur cursor be very
bad
sounds like a lot of fast mouse movement
long escarp
Yes
jovial onyx
whats the best mirror build?
jovial onyx
whats the best cast for hera bow
strange lark
doesnt really matter just get a good % damage boon thats not tempest strike
arti is probably the best
spiral totem
Finally got all aspects on the weapons. For Lucifer, is there a particular build or power up that makes the special a bit more useful? My first run with it, I wasn't too happy with the special
Also curious if Zeus is still melts health. Watching Haelian right now and my god is that just unfair lol
jovial onyx
any zeus shield builds?
cunning urchin
whats the best cast for hera bow
hushed fox
I am wondering what you guys think is the best shield aspect? I'm torn between Chaos and Beowulf 
valid dagger
Hard to say
But Chaos is definitely the worst shield
It's just hard to rank the other 3 because it varies in terms of consistency / high heat / speedruns / skill ceiling / modded unmodded etc
hushed fox
What do you dislike about the chaos aspect?
valid dagger
Chaos Shield's Special is very weak and you also cant do anything while it's in the air
And that's the only gimmick of the aspect
Zeus Shield does that miles miles better
And if you get Cshot then it's just Bad Zag Shield
In terms of DPS the weapon probably has some of the lowest numbers in the game
The only advantage it has is that it's a shield, and bullrushing blocking is pretty good which makes it appealing to newer players
hushed fox
Fair enough i guess
My Zeus aspect isn't max level yet, so i guess i'll still have to give it its fair shot
proper furnace
Zeus doesnt really need high lvl to be good
unreal tree
Zeus is bad
strange lark
youre bad
strange lark
I am wondering what you guys think is the best shield aspect? I'm torn between C...
wait youre torn between chaos and beo??
acoustic vale
Chaos way better
So good that it's banned from most speedruns, that's why you don't see it
lucid oar
True
sterile fiber
Finally got all aspects on the weapons. For Lucifer, is there a particular build...
Zeus attack is still good. The best hammer for special is triple bomb since you can lay down all 3 and blow them up at once. Artemis, Aphrodite are good for special
sterile fiber
Couldn't even streak all aspects at 50
acoustic vale
Zeus attack is still good. The best hammer for special is triple bomb since you ...
Don't use Athena attack. It's not like bad or anything it's just only the tip of the beam deflects and you WILL forget that and it will cause problems
valid dagger
Ty
hazy slate
Don't use Athena attack. It's not like bad or anything it's just only the tip of...
Oh huh I didn’t know that
long escarp
I am wondering what you guys think is the best shield aspect? I'm torn between C...
I am wondering what you guys think is the fastest aspect in the game? I’m torn between Gilgamesh and Achilles
dreamy prism
I am wondering what you guys think is the fastest aspect in the game? I’m torn b...
is zag gun or hestia better for high heat? seems like a tossup
dreamy prism
was joke
worn bluff
For an Achilles spear build focusing on hunting blades what abilities synergize well?
proper furnace
Cant go wrong with adding poseidon for mirage shot
Be sure to look for charon wells/Chaos for extra casts-cast dmg
worn bluff
What does mirage shot do?
proper furnace
Casts shoots an extra cast with lower dmg
proper furnace
(around 30% of normal one)
proper furnace
Artemis-poseidon duo boon
worn bluff
Perfect
Also does swift strikes affect the spear hammer which makes you strike a ton
Flurry Jab
I think
proper furnace
Idk there are better things to look on hermes tho
worn bluff
Such as?
worn bluff
What do those do
proper furnace
+dashes is well extra dashes
Hyper sprint is +100% move speed after dashing + sturdy (30% dmg reduction and no stun)
Rush delivery is bonus dmg based on your move speed
Common rd + hyper sprint would be a 50% dmg increase after dashing and epic rd is 100% dmg boost
It also affects all sources of dmg from zag
worn bluff
Also what does Demeter contribute? I just got her so idk much about what she does
valid dagger
Her cores are not bad on some things
If they are Epic they’re big % boosts and chill is a decent effect, if you have nothing better you can just pick that
Mostly her attack and special I’m referring to
worn bluff
Nice
worn bluff
How so?
dreamy prism
mainly snow burst and ravenous will
proper furnace
Her cast can also be great on achilles but is far less consistent than slicing for me
dreamy prism
she's strong enough to be worth forcing in asphodel for a lot of builds
or maybe just beo and hera idk
dreamy prism
trippy shot for ice wine lol
worn bluff
Back to my original thing, so on hunting blades builds I should try for Artemis, Ares, Poseidon, chaos, and what final Olympian
Dionysus?
valid dagger
It’s not like you have control over all of these
worn bluff
Right but this is what I'm trying to aim for
valid dagger
If you look for a specific god pool of 4 or 5 you’ll barely hit it
Well your last god is Zeus probably
limber scroll
is it just me or is lucifer rail kinda clunky to use
i literally failed the 9 min tight deadline with it which is ridiculous bc i usually have huge amounts of time overflow
valid dagger
is it just me or is lucifer rail kinda clunky to use
What are you pairing it with
limber scroll
What are you pairing it with
zeus on atk/special and dio on dash, didn't get jolted tho
idk i just find it hard to explode the special and pay attention to enemy movements at the same time it's weird
eris feels so much better
valid dagger
Usually you want Zeus on Attack yea and ideally Triple Bomb for the hammer so your Special can help with the bossing and rooms
limber scroll
oo i see, thanks for the tips
valid dagger
Are you on kbm
limber scroll
what's that
limber scroll
oh nah controller
wait you aim with cursor on kbm? that sounds hard
i much prefer auto aim lmao
valid dagger
wait you aim with cursor on kbm? that sounds hard
For other weapons yea
strange lark
we turn aim at cursor off on rail
valid dagger
But for rail it's just way worse than auto aim
lucid oar
Jolted is also pretty key
random relic
wait you aim with cursor on kbm? that sounds hard
what on earth do you do on controller
valid dagger
It's not
gusty rapids
ye this games auto aim is pretty good
feral night
when they say auto they ain't lying
proven osprey
robust cradle
does bull rush count for attck dmg buffs
valid dagger
Yes
valid dagger
<:AchillesBond:779917432100880415> <a:peepoyeet:729388858936131754> <:trap:28107...
Took me a bit to get this
strange lark
cedar jewel
how do chaos boon affecting future boon rarity stack?
random relic
i think its additive
dreamy prism
how do chaos boon affecting future boon rarity stack?
should be additive, note that any rarity boost is strictly +10% for duos and legendaries
cedar jewel
word
strange lark
Why
spiral totem
Cause I didn't get that memo and never took aim at cursor off
feral night
yeah on rail aim at cursor off is necessary
complete autoaim, no need to use the dpad at all
lucid oar
@proper wharf
For reference purposes:
It was brought up during VOD review there isn't a reference list of unpommable non legendary non duo boons available from each god/goddess. Here it is:
Aphrodite
Life Affirmation
Broken Resolve
Blown Kiss (requires Crush Shot)
Ares
Blood Frenzy
Engulfing Vortex (requires Slicing Shot, Blade Dash, or Ares' Aid)
Dire Misfortune (requires Curse of Agony or Curse of Pain)
Artemis
none 😦
Athena
Sure Footing
Deathless Stand
Last Stand
Demeter
Rare Crop
Nourished Soul
Ravenous Will
Arctic Blast (requires Frost Strike, Frost Flourish, Mistral Dash, Demeter's Aid or Snow Burst)
Killing Freeze (requires Frost Strike, Frost Flourish, Mistral Dash, Demeter's Aid or Snow Burst)
Dionysus
Premium Vintage
Strong Drink
After Party
Poseidon
Ocean's Bounty
Sunken Treasure
Zeus
none 😦
lucid oar
F
proper wharf
<@220604744148713484>
For reference purposes:
It was brought up during VOD rev...
Thanks! I've taken screenshots for reference
Talking of builds... don't know if it's effective, but I did find quite an amusing one by accident.
Running Lucifer with Poseidon just to get the Fates reward for collecting duo/leg boons.
Was pretty weak with rail in prior runs up to this point and fully expecting to die in elysium or early styx.
But once I got the bonus splash count and barrier damage, it effectively turned the attack into one of those anti-protestor water cannons.
In the tiny rooms in Styx, one squeeze of the trigger and everything just died.
tawny grove
super soaker bad but its a meme
proper wharf
Good to know. I guess as it's ineffective vs bosses? And / or too weak early on?
Today I got Rama with double shot plus explosive shot which seemed pretty good
proper furnace
Good to know. I guess as it's ineffective vs bosses? And / or too weak early on?
Kinda both
You want sea storm and a bunch of zeus boons to really get dmg
autumn mirage
Hi everyone. I'm new here. I've been playing hades for a week now. So far I managed to beat hades with every weapon but I can't seem to get it done with the rail. I don't even get to hades. Can't make it past Theseus and the minotaur. I can't seem to find a build that does decent damage. Any ideas?
feral night
put zeus on attack
add jolted
add aphrodite special and zeus call, go for the duo boon smoldering air
unreal tree
and posideon's dash
feral night
and that
unreal tree
thats the main thing
feral night
that should get you a pretty easy win
autumn mirage
Thank y'all. I'll try that 😁
rough dagger
I am still a noob, but this is perhaps the best "build" (I am not sure if this is a build, but was very fun) I have had so far (Chiron Bow) 😄
Oh I can't add pictures...
valid dagger
You can post it somewhere else and link it here, Discord will embed it
rough dagger
Outside of discord?
I could just write it in text since I don't have a place to upload?
valid dagger
You can upload it to another discord server then copy media link and paste it here
Or use external websites such as imgur
Either works
rough dagger
If it is ok with just writing it in text? I think I will do that
My first ever Chiron Bow run:
Heroic Drunken Flourish lvl5, Heroic Drunken Strike lvl 3, Thunder Dash, Epic Double Strike lvl3, Epic Static Discharge lvl4, Legendary Splitting Bolt
valid dagger
That's pretty gud
The attack is very bad tho
You lose damage from your Flourish due to how Hangover works
rough dagger
You lose damage from your Flourish due to how Hangover works
I was guessing it worked like that, I got Drunken Strike first, and tried to get rid of it by selling or a attack replacement when I got Flourish. But I had so many other bills by that point. But with that run I don't think I could complain by RNG... The dash alone would have been enough to win that as a no heat run easily
valid dagger
Yea that dash is pretty big
proper furnace
You cant get replaces if the boon is heroic
valid dagger
The Hangover thing isnt big here
Because you use your attack then shoot a volley anyway
So your enemy is gonna have 5 stacks from your Special
Which is what you want
But you can for example look for Aphro's Attack to open up Low Tolerance which lets you stack 8 times
rough dagger
The Hangover thing isnt big here
Hangover on Chiron Bow in general or just on attack?
valid dagger
I meant the stacks thing isnt that important here with this specific build
On other builds it can be a much bigger dps loss
rough dagger
You think I should just have gotten any other boon from Dio than the attack one if you don't get the special boon?
proper furnace
I like the cast cuz legendary funny
Also once you get the last mirror skill is way easier to start with the boon you want
rough dagger
I have gotten it once
valid dagger
In general a good rule of thumb is to only have 1 source of Hangover in your build
rough dagger
But I don't know if it is worth 2k for the second upgrade yet or if I should save to buy it
rough dagger
In general a good rule of thumb is to only have 1 source of Hangover in your bui...
So on Chiron Bow special is best and dash second? And nothing else is worth having hangover on?
valid dagger
Dash isnt worth having hangover on
rough dagger
So basically only hangover on special or on nothing on chiron bow. Got it 👌
But I am guessing a pure Zues build is viable on Chiron as well? If you get jolted and other having as much lightning as possible (dash/special etc) just seems super strong
proper furnace
Zeus doesnt work quite as well as you think on special
valid dagger
It's not that good due to internal cooldowns
rough dagger
Huh I had no idea
valid dagger
Better to start with Tempest Flourish then look for Sea Storm
And then Shoals Jolted
Double Strike etc
rough dagger
I have gotten Sea storm once on Spear (Achilles) and that was sick
But I noticed that it was doing insane damage, but due to me being very unfamiliar with that play style, I took damage pretty often
Since that build moved so much around and I was not the most precise to controll the direction good enough I often took damage from traps, and struggled to dodge Hades attacks while damaging him
shell sleet
@feral night thats not the point, the modpack is made for speedrunning and not heat, it wont have features that are heat specific
if there was a patty on/off button then it would bring into question on/off button for other free rooms
feral night
i never said it should
unreal tree
But AP removal is heat specific?
dreamy prism
But AP removal is heat specific?
exactly
upper sparrow
any good bow builds for beating the douche and the bull? i get closer and ccloser everytime
dreamy prism
any good bow builds for beating the douche and the bull? i get closer and cclose...
easiest and safest bow imo is chiron, put aphrodite on attack and dionysus on special
this build lets you tag them and run away while hangover does damage
upper sparrow
ah ok thank ya i'll have to try and remember that when i pick it up again
umbral nova
Any suggestions for best weapon aspects to beat Hades without Olympus boons? So far I've gotten pretty close with Chiron and Lucifer but I have no idea if those are the best ones to be using.
lucid oar
Hestia, zag bow or nemesis
It’s aspects that have innate crit, or strong attack hammers
valid dagger
rama
lucid oar
Yeah ramas good too
umbral nova
Ooh, I've been meaning to play more Nemesis.
lucid oar
With double edge it’s quite good
unreal tree
Zag shield with charged shot
umbral nova
One of my first attempts I didn't realize how important it was to pick Fated Authority over Fated Persuasion.
I ended up reaching Hades with a Side Hustle and apparently he thought that was too much help.
valid dagger
Authority is quite nice for Boonless yea
umbral nova
I know I'm just indulging my father in being a sore loser here.
lucid oar
Zag shield Pulv blow is also decent enough
boreal phoenix
Is zag blade and hoarding strike best for booneless run?
umbral nova
I think there's no voiceline for beating Hades boonless, just reaching him boonless, but I'm not sure about that.
boreal phoenix
:/
valid dagger
I *think* there's no voiceline for beating Hades boonless, just reaching him boo...
There is a title
umbral nova
Oooh
lucid oar
Most gold recorded in a run is about 9000 by Haelian
boreal phoenix
That sounds about right
remote rock
Can anyone recomen a fun build based off mainly Zeus?
errant narwhal
have you tried going for his legendary boon on the rail, as well as picking up static discharge?
proper furnace
Can also do zeus special on zeus shield
Or picking up his call and an aphro core boon for smoldering air
long escarp
Smair is very nice on any weapon that starts with a Zeus or Aphrodite boon (Zeus shield, Rama, Hestia, etc)
tight cobalt
Just got to third phase of boss guy for the first time, I have never felt such genuine fear
Of all builds, I’m surprised I got it with Zag Rail
long escarp
How about getting to phase 1 part 3 and seeing 2 butterfly balls spawn 
Terror
Horror
dapper surge
I made a hestia build that did 723 damage per reload backstab
Heartbreak strike, sweet surrender, flayed ambush, divine dash, blinding flash
valid dagger
Nice
dapper surge
I tried it on the hard hades fight afterwards and got my ass kicked, fun fight
long escarp
I made a hestia build that did 723 damage per reload backstab
That’s why it’s called Bestia
turbid needle
how good are zeus twin fists in high heat?
dreamy prism
how good are zeus twin fists in high heat?
fists quickly become the worst weapon by a landslide as the heat goes up
turbid needle
fists quickly become the worst weapon by a landslide as the heat goes up
damn, just surprisingly got 1st win on them
valid dagger
They are good until around 45 ish then they become tougher and the builds become not as good
tawny grove
yeah
valid prism
Fists are very difficult past 40 Heat
Or when you start to mess with the mirror or AP
valid dagger
You can still do ME very easily
dreamy prism
ew ME
long escarp
how good are zeus twin fists in high heat?
Basically:
For AP0/1 RI0: Merciful End > Zeus
For AP2 or RI1+: Dionysus > Zeus
This is because Dionysus needs a lot less to be good than Zeus does. Even though Zeus is better if it has jolted, you can’t rely on that and it’s best to just get drunken strike and get some poms on it.
That’s my understanding of it at least. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong on this 
turbid needle
ah thanks
long escarp
But for ~32 heat, Zeus is probably still fine. It’s just when time becomes a real issue (due to JS and CP) that ME pulls way ahead
valid prism
Dio needs basically poms if you can spam the hangover while Zeus wants jolted and legendary ideally
So Dio works better on its own if you find some poms early, but mid or endgame Zeus is better if boons are gathered
Both are indeed beaten if you have ME, Ares atk and Athena dash on fists
RNG speaking, dio is easier to build but you still can be unlucky and have not enough poms on the way
Especially at high heat 
midnight rampart
what is best weapon ?
valid prism
Best weapon is very subjective, as long as you're comfy and can clear with it 👀
midnight rampart
hmm oke
ye i need more boons of ares but he dont show up a lot yet XD
i use fists
valid prism
Fists are good but it's difficult to have the dodging on point against foes
midnight rampart
hmm ye i use Poseidon his dodge that work good
and ares his cast works good when sword spin around and then you pummel them at same time
midnight rampart
ye im liking sword even more XD
sterile fiber
You can also play special centric with high heat fists
Explosive upper + %dmg special
umbral nova
I picked up the Nemesis sword on a recommendation from here on what would be a good weapon to go boonless and it eventually worked out!
Hording Slash plus Double Edge really did a lot of work!
valid dagger
Eris sword?
umbral nova
Funny thing, for some weird reason Chaos never showed on the run I actually won, so the only one who gave me their blessing was Bouldy
dreamy prism
nemesis I assume you mean
umbral nova
Yes! Thank you
proper furnace
Funny thing, for some weird reason Chaos never showed on the run I actually won,...
carries
valid dagger
Nemesis with Dedge is very nice
dreamy prism
as a small tip I'd stay away from hoarding
it does much less than you think
although maybe it's okay for boonless? idk
long escarp
Better to buy boons and poms and make your build better than to hoard gold for hoarding slash
Like by far
glass echo
that was his mission though: to go boonless
Did it once to pick up the hoarding slash prophecy. Tempted to try it again to get the Hades dialogue for not using any Olympian boon (just cuz)
long escarp
Oh
Well I cannot read
Hestia is still way better for boonless obviously, but hoarding slash might actually be decent. Not sure though
glass echo
hoarding slash is bearable when combined with the shackle
wait...
does shackle work with hoarding slash?
long escarp
Why not
glass echo
Like that's what I did and I wasn't paying attention to the numbers
long escarp
hoarding slash is bearable when combined with the shackle
How does that change anything though
glass echo
my mind's just off on a tangent, nvm
dreamy prism
I'm pretty sure hoarding slash adds a constant amount of damage at the end
long escarp
Yeah
dreamy prism
hence why it's so bad
long escarp
Also I don’t think it applies to dash strikes
dreamy prism
bruh
long escarp
dreamy prism
why does sword get screwed by this so much
long escarp
I don’t know
It’s very unfortunate
Sword has all these incredibly garbage hammers and then has one that just more than doubles your dash strike damage. Great hammer balancing SG
long escarp
Oh it does apply to dash strikes?
strange lark
It doesn't?
strange lark
This is turning into one of those moments
long escarp
I know cursed slash doesn’t apply to dash strikes
night gyro
hoarding slash is what got me my fastest time and I exclusively dash strike
dreamy prism
would be fun if it did
night gyro
I'd be surprised if it didnt add dash strike damage
long escarp
I would not at all
long escarp
Hmm alright
long escarp
Yet somehow it’s not decent
night gyro
it's a good take if you get it immediately
dreamy prism
yeah then you have to switch to golden touch
long escarp
it's a good take if you get it immediately
It’s not
feral night
sgg are cowards for not making hoarding slash add to base damage
long escarp
dreamy prism
facts
nemesis dedge would actually be viable since crit synergy
that would be multiplicative with crit, arty attack, and dedge +% wouldn't it
dreamy prism
so you think should just be removed
agreed on that, there's too much hammer clutter for sword
same with shield special imo
long escarp
Absolutely
Shield hammers are so imbalanced because half of them are for your special which sucks and half of them are for your bull rush which is OP
proper furnace
Revert the nerf of charged flight
long escarp
Literally triple the special damage for Zag shield. And remove chaos and replace it with something more interesting
dreamy prism
I like the sound it makes
strange lark
Minotaur rush 
dreamy prism
what if the shields traveled together then separated on first impact
so you don't need to point blank it
proper furnace
@dreamy prism zag shield buff doesnt apply to bullrush
turbid needle
Avoided aegis a lot but it's pretty fun. Not a shield person was all lol
dapper surge
I don't really get the hate for crush shot
long escarp
No range
It’s very bad for non-cast builds because it makes it way harder to get boiling blood
dapper surge
Fair but it does a lot of damage
long escarp
Not enough to really be helpful if I pick it up in like mid Elysium on Hestia or something
It just makes my build worse
It’s amazing on Hera
But for other cast aspects, there are better options
Poseidon is better with Phalanx shot, Achilles is better with hunting blades or trippy flare or phalanx shot
Beo uses passion flare for high heat but that’s a different boon
strange lark
crush shot talos
dreamy prism
can someone explain to me casting
for non cast weapons, cast is mostly useful just for boiling blood
the bigger the enemy the more worth boiling them is
tight basin
could also use it for a last burst of damage to finish an enemy off, casting is pretty fast
proper furnace
Can also just slap a boon on it to open up a duo
random relic
can also use it for styx shredder
acoustic vale
I've been doing runs with Hestia. I don't like it, but I see the appeal. I did enjoy when I got that rocket for the special and it had Artemis boon. Big damage when crit
long escarp
Btw sniping every single enemy and boss for 700 damage from across the screen is the appeal
acoustic vale
Somehow that never seemed to play out for me
long escarp
Is your aspect max level?
brittle valve
Hi do you have a good build for high dps with Déméter fist ?thanks
proven osprey
You'll achieve the highest DPS with Merciful End, the duo boon from Ares and Athena
Curse of agony > Divine Flourish > seek ME and divine dash. Along that, pom the attack
brittle valve
Ok thanks you for your help!
tight basin
pom-ing the special isn't too terrible either if you dont have a choice, every so often you'll be able to do a large chunk of damage
explosive upper is a nice addition but not necessary
marsh radish
which gods boon should i choose on gilgamesh
proper furnace
You can play merciful end as usual
Or do tidal dash and support boons on that
B.wave/shoals/lightning reflex/etc
Also use ruthless reflex on the mirror
tight basin
the playstyle/gods between gilgamesh and normal fists are pretty much identical except for the fact that gilgamesh is slower and the upper can get you killed more easily
and also more dashes i guess so that's cool
strange lark
What yes you do
feral night
y'all are dash striking for 20 base damage?
tight basin
why wouldn't you dash strike with gilga if you're given more strikes
oh is it that low
feral night
yeah aside from me builds
tight basin
well i've given up on gilga for fists and just sticking to demeter so it's whatever for me lmao
feral night
only play gilga 😈
tight basin
gilga was the first hidden aspect i unlocked and maxed, found it fun but very inconsistent
strange lark
I find it unfun and very inconsistent
tight basin
well it's just the idea of more dashes that was appealing
and also since back then i never changed the mirror i had like 4 dashes
feral night
maim is easy if you don't get hit
tight basin
so being able to dash across the room was fun but not practical
tight basin
maim is easy if you don't get hit <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
bold of you to assume i'm good enough at the game to not get hit
strange lark
Just don't use maim
feral night
it is very bad
tight basin
yeah lmao
languid rampart
Should i trade an ambrosia for a titans blood so i can upgrade hera to lvl 3
languid rampart
ambrosia is useful, and hera levels don't do much
What should i use my ambrosia on first, if its the secret keepsake whichone should i get first
feral night
ambrosia is a more powerful nectar, you'll be able to gift it to people
languid rampart
ambrosia is a more powerful nectar, you'll be able to gift it to people
I read online that when you give ambrosia to someone after giving them a certain amount of nectar you get a companion
Should i aim for that
feral night
yeah, they're pretty useful
languid rampart
Which should i get first
night gyro
most people use meg's, than's is also powerful
languid rampart
I might try meg
quasi knoll
Heyo, is there a good build around the achilles spear?
feral night
many
you can use it to empower your casts, so hunting blades, crystal clarity, and ice wine builds can be great
or you can use it to empower your attack, so builds with flurry jab, deadly strike, and tidal dash can be great
strange lark
typical achilles builds are a mix of both
usually start poseidon dash and look for artemis or zeus attack
and flurry jab
then you just get any high damage cast
ares cast is the best i think
with hunting blades
quasi knoll
Ty
proper furnace
If you go the zeus attack route you can pick up phalanx shot
Tho you want quick reload
sinful lily
anyone got a good begginer bow guide
sinful lily
dash strike is just a power shot yeah?
dreamy prism
they're separate things
dash strike is you start charging a shot right after you dash
they charge 500x faster than if you just stand and start charging
dreamy prism
yep, both kinds have their power shot
sinful lily
what about when you hammer it to autoshoot no charge
dreamy prism
I believe that makes them all deal as much damage as when you hold charge longer than power shot window
not perfectly sure though
for zag bow beginners it's a really op hammer
I ended up being so bad at zag bow that I had to rely on it for 32 heat
shell sleet
flurry shot hard on kbm
long escarp
Huge mistake to play KBM
shell sleet
borderline masochistic to play kbm
valid dagger
Switch to controller for Hera
languid rampart
anyone know the best cast boon for hera
lucid oar
Crush shot
worn bluff
Anyone got an easy build for Talos fists?
valid dagger
Anyone got an easy build for Talos fists?
Start Ares, take Attack, look for Athena, take her Special -> get Merciful End (their Duo) then get Athena's Dash to insta-proc doom and Impending Doom from Ares because Doom procs instantly it pretty much has no downside
Dont open up any Duos at all before getting Merciful End and for Hermes look for Hyper Sprint + Rush Delivery or +Dashes
That's the essentials for the build
worn bluff
Aight ty
proper furnace
@fading nymph trippy doesnt open splitting
fading nymph
Oh you right
proper furnace
As it requires you to inflict hangover in 1st place
fading nymph
Yeah
Still prob trippy bc if it was crush would have been a 5 god pool
And no other aphro
And it looks like there’s some confetti on the icon
hazy slate
swap maybe?
proper furnace
I just wanted to know to see if say rip for no mirage shot or not lmao
untold gazelle
What is the best exagryph aspect without lucifers?
valid dagger
What is the best exagryph aspect without lucifers?
Eris and Hestia are generally considered the superior ones, very tough to compare these specific two, duo to different playstyles and builds etc, Hestia is probably somewhat better for high heat tho
untold gazelle
Eris and Hestia are generally considered the superior ones, very tough to compar...
Btw what does that eris absorbing ur special mean u need to stand in blast or what?
valid dagger
Yes
When you throw your Special you can see the circle where it’s meant to land
You just have to in there
And you get a buff
For 4 secs
It’s a global damage buff so it applies to everything
With Rocket Bomb (hammer) you don’t see that Special circle anymore because the rocket is instantaneous but the blast is very big and forgiving so it’s considered the strongest first hammer for Eris
Because you can hug an enemy and Special and you get a buff instantly
And easy way into clockets
languid rampart
anyone know the best mirror of night upgrades
dreamy prism
anyone know the best mirror of night upgrades
dark foresight
dreamy prism
Is the red or yellow better for eacg
imo
- shadow/fiery aspect/heat dependent
- cthonic vitality
- death/stubborn heat dependent
- greater reflex
- boiling
- infernal/stygian aspect/build dependent
- deep pockets
- thick skin
- family favorite
- dark foresight
- pride/legacy build dependent
- persuasion
tawny grove
(but usually firey, but usually pride)
tight basin
isnt privileged status also build dependent?
dreamy prism
isnt privileged status also build dependent?
PS is very very rare
the only builds that should actually use it off the top of my head are dio chiron and aphro beo
tight basin
i'm assuming aphro attack dio special on chiron but what about beo
aphro cast and which attack?
dreamy prism
aphro cast, demeter snow burst/attack/dash/call/whatever
tight basin
cool thanks
tawny grove
what about hera
tight basin
prob same idea if i were to guess
opaque dove
@sterile fiber
I noticed in #h1-victory-boasting you uploaded your picture... and i am a bit confused at something
I have never come across anything as dangerous as that explosive shot (300+% attack)
was that just pure luck??
sterile fiber
was that just pure luck??
Not sure what you mean, but it's a bow hammer yes
opaque dove
I've just never seen that upgrade I suppose
sterile fiber
You can't see it if your 1st hammer is Flurry or Chain Shot and I forgot whether it's not available for some aspects (wiki doesn't say so though)
proper wharf
One of my best runs was Rama double shot + explosive shot. Idk if this is considered useful at high level
proven osprey
Explosive on Rama is debatable
proven osprey
It's a different style
proper wharf
I used to hate explosive shot but it worked on this build by basically treating it as a melee weapon, peppering as many as possible with special first, then dash to behind > short charge and release.
It may be at higher heat this would be too risky. (This would've been around 10 heat iirc)
sterile fiber
benefit pancakes
midnight rampart
at what point builds get important ?
valid dagger
at what point builds get important ?
Well it depends on what your goals are tbh
Like if you want to finish a run within 7 minutes igt then your build matters quite abit
midnight rampart
haha well i did die but on my way to 3th boss
valid dagger
Having strong builds and learning more about your damage sources and how to make good decisions can be interesting, and obviously you're just simply gonna have less problems in rooms and bosses overall because good builds mean good damage and good damage means you spend a lot less time in rooms because most things will die relatively quickly so therefore you end up getting more wins, more titan blood, more weapons, more builds etc
midnight rampart
oke
valid dagger
But yea builds can range anywhere from a general setup to follow like 2-3 boons + a duo and some poms to very optimized decisions that go more into filling your god pool early, keeping pommable boons to a minimum, how to get the most out of builds etc
If you have anything specific in mind you can ask and someone here could suggest a build for it, since this is still just a vague general idea for now
midnight rampart
ye oke i like ares boons the most until now
valid dagger
Yea all of the gods have strong synergies with certain weapons
And on some other weapons they're mostly gonna be give supporting boons that you dont care too much about etc
midnight rampart
ye im using blade now and his spell trow a blade so looks fun
valid dagger
For the sword you can build around his Attack, a common build known as Merciful End that multiple weapons use, you can start with his Attack and pom it throughout the run then look for Athena's Special to unlock their Duo boon Merciful End and then look for the actual Duo from either god and Divine Dash + Impending Doom, very safe build but has consistency issues especially if you dont have a full mirror yet
His cast can be good, used a lot on Achilles Spear because of the big buff, on other weapons not so much but it can work, you can pair it up with Hunting Blades to make it more accurate
valid dagger
If you're still early into your playthrough it might be hard to force builds and such because no full mirror and keepsakes yet
midnight rampart
ye im kinda in start of 3th area but did die so have to get there again
did kill that women and other 1
dreamy prism
tbh I'm weird and love explosive shot especially on zag bow
it's nice to not have to line stuff up perfectly to damage multiple enemies
dreamy prism
hm is triple + explosive the way to biggest damage buff on rama
I guess that would be kinda funny
valid prism
Horribly slow
But that reminds me Astaos cleared 50 heat zag bow with triple explosive
The combo becomes stupidly strong when the 15% crit applies
dreamy prism
of course all bow hammers end up being far inferior to the best one, sniper shot
whole osprey
i like explosive shot on rama with only triple
dreamy prism
How to get a power shot on explosive rama
1. Get athena call
tbh I feel like this on regular rama FO2
trash at rama gang
proper furnace
Average at rama gang
languid rampart
anyone have an aspect tier list
valid dagger
It's over a year old
I wouldnt go by tier lists, they're usually inaccurate and cant cover everything anyway
languid rampart
I wouldnt go by tier lists, they're usually inaccurate and cant cover everything...
Ig i just want to get a sense of how good itll be do i can decide on which should i buy first
valid dagger
Are you trying to do anything specific
languid rampart
Not rly
My main is hera rn
Just trying to unlock more but dont knoe in ehat order
Shoukd i unlock in the order of hidden aspects?
valid dagger
If you're just looking for somewhat the strongest overall, although there is some level reliance in some of them
Nemesis for the Sword, Arthur is strong early on and for casual play if you have it revealed
All of the Bows are honestly so good, Hera is a good choice, easy to use and functions well at low investment
For Spear I'd look into Achilles, it's very versatile and can dish out a lot of damage
Fists: Demeter is strongest
Rail: Eris or Hestia usually considered the strongest, take your pick, Hestia more level reliant
Shields: Zeus and Beowulf are considered the strongest
It doesn't cover everything obviously
languid rampart
Should i just get the hidden aspects
valid dagger
Well yea you should try to reveal them
But it can be a lot of dialogue and story progression so might take a while
You can check their prereqs in #h1-story-discussion pins
languid rampart
Alr ty
vast ledge
Does Artemis dash effect dash upper as well or just dash strike?
valid dagger
Does Artemis dash effect dash upper as well or just dash strike?
Affects dash upper
languid rampart
Whats are some good boons to combo with hera and artemis cast
dreamy prism
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/676266365123952689/975945167603400794/image0.jpg best nemesis hammers: flurry slash, dash nova, super nova
random relic
wait i thought it was world splitter
dreamy prism
wait i thought it was world splitter
actually both you and the post are wrong, it's cruel thrust
errant narwhal
its the third attack of the sword combo if im not mistaken
random relic
oh thats really awful lmao
random relic
it looked way too good to have never heard about it so i assumed it was awful
worn solar
its really awkward using the combo while dashing
untold gazelle
is poseidon aspect good?
shell sleet
its decent
untold gazelle
its decent
what is better nemezis or poseidon?
shell sleet
im no sword expert but i think nemesis is considered to be better
i know its better for speedrunning
desert depot
slim ice
How to gut gud at spear
tame mulch
How to gut gud at spear
as someone who plays spear
id say spam triangle
im a playstation player
I just spam special
get artemis boon
for crit
and boom
damage
tame mulch
im assuming achillies
I was talking about the regular spear ( aspect of zagreus )
dreamy prism
I was talking about the regular spear ( aspect of zagreus )
the number one zag spear tip is don't use it
hazy slate
Yeah not a lotta zag aspects are very good
dreamy prism
once you unlock aspects you should ditch zag spear asap because it sucks
tame mulch
poor me
shoudve bought archilles aspect
I now have a rare zagreus aspect of varatha'
and I hate myself for it
dreamy prism
but if you really wanna use it then exploding launcher, flurry jab, and serrated point are your best bet
tame mulch
tawny grove
i was asking god lmao
dreamy prism
also guan yu is kinda cracked when maxed and massively overhated by casual community imo
real ledge
Are there anything new at the bottom of weapon select room?
slim ice
im assuming achillies
Yeah I think I learned how to play guan yu but Achilles hard
proven osprey
^
feral night
Yeah not a lotta zag aspects are very good
i mean 3/6 ain't bad
as long as you get the right hammer for zag rail and zag shield ofc
hazy slate
yeah fair
its just that there are better options i feel compared to those I should try zag rail more tbh its been a while
proper furnace
Sf rail is fun
proper furnace
Im not saying better
proper furnace
Both are fun
whole osprey
nah
whole osprey
hestia rail is only rail
dreamy prism
hestia rail is only rail <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
wrong, lucifer only rail
have you ever tried privileged status super soaker build?? you just need
- bottom tier attack boon that actively hinders you
- god that's largely useless in core slot except highrolling onto call
- their duo at a reasonable point in time so you actually do damage
- hammer that actively slashes your dps by removing ramp up before getting duo
- a myriad of your gods' boons that let you deal actual damage to bosses
- both your gods' legendaries
- both your gods' tier 2 status effects
this build is so op that it's definitely way better than hestia
untold gazelle
is demeter worth it?
dreamy prism
is demeter worth it?
as goddess or as aspect?
untold gazelle
aspect sry mb
dreamy prism
it's by far the best fists aspect
it needs to be leveled up though
but if you like fists you should learn it almost exclusively tbh
untold gazelle
it needs to be leveled up though
oh so its like chaos shield
untold gazelle
whats her max lvl bonus special?
dreamy prism
+5 specials for 6 total
you'll want aphrodite, artemis, demeter, or athena on special for that reason
proper furnace
have you ever tried privileged status super soaker build?? you just need
1. bot...
I wouldnt call zeus cores useless
Only like dash is weird
And thunder flare ig
random relic
have you ever tried privileged status super soaker build?? you just need
1. bot...
ok so obviously its ridiculous but it is undeniably really fun when you get it
dreamy prism
I wouldnt call zeus cores useless <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
for lucifer I mean
but I'm also super biased against his cast because it seems to make boiling inconsistent