I'm the inventor of Flurry Jab tempest strike in fact
#h1-builds-and-combat
valid dagger
quartz fractal
experimenting is really fun
long escarp
I remember I found tidal real quick
Thought it was the best boon in the game
Took conch into tart for every run
cunning urchin
Yeah, much more fun to discover OP builds first and then ruin everybody's fun by telling them about it. 
waxen creek
I remember I found tidal real quick
Is that Poseidon's Call? If so, I love that one
Absolutely demolish Hades boss with it
tardy dragon
valid dagger
They’re both pretty strong
I think Aphro is stronger with dedge but not too sure about that
Both scale well with Chaos and maybe heartrend too
icy linden
hey hey, any tips on the hades fight? especially second phase? I have beat him some times but I still struggle a lot
quartz fractal
easiest form of advice i can give is to learn attack patterns
turbid needle
don't get hit by the meat swings
pulsar sedge
Learn his patterns is gonna get you far
quartz fractal
with at least 2 boosts its easy to dodge his giant swings
long escarp
hey hey, any tips on the hades fight? especially second phase? I have beat him s...
Empty dashes are very good
All of his attacks (except beams) can be dodged with well times empty dashes. Have your dashes off cooldown for whenever he does an attack
turbid needle
what is an empty dash?
long escarp
A dash where you don’t attack
turbid needle
thanks
icy linden
forgot to mention that my main weapons are the spear and bow, but got most wins with spear.
I can easily dodge and predict his swings but the green things in second phase, and the skull bombs screw me over a lot
long escarp
If you attack during a dash, it loses i-frames
turbid needle
how many iframes in an empty dash vs a dash attack
long escarp
Complete invincibility vs 0
turbid needle
ah I see
long escarp
Idk how long a dash lasts for but if it’s an empty dash then you are invincible through the entire thing
turbid needle
this explains why I'm getting hit more than I should be 
icy linden
ohh yea that makes sense
long escarp
If you’ve ever played Dark Souls, it’s like a roll
turbid needle
yeye I understand that
long escarp
You want to dash as you would be hit by an attack to i-frame it
turbid needle
played alot of sekiro and elden ring
icy linden
also, im really confused how the damage works on the skull bombs. Like sometimes it hits me, sometimes it doesnt
long escarp
also, im really confused how the damage works on the skull bombs. Like sometimes...
Wym
icy linden
should you dash the wave of them?
long escarp
You can dash over the waves
Just don’t attack during that dash
If you attack, your dash will lose invincibility
icy linden
I had like, a great built yesterday, full doom and basically cheesing build, the second phase always gets me.
but thanks for the info and support
cunning urchin
hey hey, any tips on the hades fight? especially second phase? I have beat him s...
Collection of tips I've written in the server at some point or another for the fight: https://docs.google.com/document/d/137Vqe-8fvStMJ_HMlBKWwq3SVdoOED0lOpBBSmgGwtQ/edit?usp=sharing
icy linden
ohhhh I will check that out, ty
turbid needle
Collection of tips I've written in the server at some point or another for the f...
this is very helpful thank you 
cunning urchin
I hope so!
astral lantern
What those gaun yu do
waxen creek
Absolutely vaporised Theseus and Asterius w/ Adamant Rail, 32% damage bonus Butterfly keepsake, triple bombs, Zeus call and Thanatos companion keepsake
Took around 36-37 seconds
shell sleet
https://youtu.be/sym743PWsUM
thats pretty fast, very nice!
pulsar sedge
is Crush Shot good for Beo or is there some other cast to use that would be preferrable
lucid oar
Flood shot is the best
As it has a huge aoe and leads into mirage shot
Which is double damage instead of 1.3x
pulsar sedge
oooh okay right that does make sense
gusty rapids
pash flare is still pretty good
smaller and less easy time getting mirage but the base damage is significantly higher
long escarp
It’s smaller?
valid dagger
It's smaller than Flood yea
long escarp
Yeah true
Because it doesn’t go through walls
That’s not a problem for heat though
valid dagger
yup
valid dagger
perfect 
fading nymph
👏 pash 👏 bad
cunning urchin
Player error.
hazy slate
what weapon and aspect would be nice for a shattered shackle run?
fading nymph
is it a player error if its optimal play on the better flare? 
cunning urchin
is it a player error if its optimal play on the better flare? <:thanthink:669246...
185in should know better than to overshoot a Passion Flare into a wall like that, yes. It happens. Even the best players can make mistakes.
fading nymph
if it was on flood it would have just killed
this room is also just small so even if he didn't dash into it it still might have gotten eaten
also bigp said once that a lot of his strats in styx make use of casting into a wall
cunning urchin
I guess that's one way to miss the point lol. It was an avoidable mistake.
It's not random.
fading nymph
if it was flood there wouldn't be a mistake
cunning urchin
Bruh.
fading nymph
its also smaller
yes 185 could have done stuff to not have done that but thats a bunch of effort that could just be done by hitting through walls with flood instead
valid dagger
The point is, you're not using Flood, 185 wasn't aware of the bug at that point if I'm not mistaken, but when you do realize that the flare isnt hitting stuff through the walls, it's on you to adjust your play so that it doesn't happen again
fading nymph
but on flood you just don't adjust anything
valid dagger
Yea that's true
Just pick Flood then
When picking Passion this is just another thing to consider alongside the other stuff
cunning urchin
I think only Passion Flare and Crush Shot have had odd hitbox issues like that. But I haven't actually used any of the other Flares in awhile.
proven monolith
i've been told to use splash dash on eris, but at the same time i feel like that's counterintuitive?
you fire the special, dash up close to them to get the bonus
but bc you have splash dash they get pushed away
am i using this wrong?
valid dagger
I mean your Dash and Attack should already kill them by then
And even if it doesn't, the base Special (no rocket) is somewhat hard to aim at everything so sometimes you'll just have to use it to activate your buff and rely on your attack and dash to actually kill stuff
proven monolith
so how should i use splash dash?
just as damage?
or should i focus on grouping enemies up
valid dagger
It's usually just straight up damage, it can be tricky to hit stuff consistently with it and takes practice too, but Tidal Dash with a couple poms and Eris buff is enough to take care of most enemies alongside Lightning Strike
Grouping up enemies is gonna be more about the way you choose to approach rooms as opposed to literally grouping them up with your dash because that's ineffective
But you could enter a room and go in a way where enemies are in good spots for you to clear it up smoothly, and on the other hand you could make a few inaccuracies and end up in a bad spot where you have to deal with every enemy independently since they ended up too far away from each other for example
(For some rooms that ends up being the case even without you making any mistakes, some enemy types are much harder to group up or sweep quickly such as Archers or Witches in big rooms)
cunning urchin
am i using this wrong?
Push into the Special or against obstacles so they won't get pushed out of your Special AOE. You also don't need every Special to hit Zag for the buff, just every ~4s.
And while you usually wanna keep up the buff, sometimes it's faster to ignore it.
It's easy to be fast with Eris, but there's also a lot of room to optimize.
astral lantern
What’s the best way to get titan blood
proven monolith
have you beaten the game yet?
proven monolith
oh yeah then just grinding heat
astral lantern
How
cunning urchin
Just go up in Heat, yep.
proven monolith
the contract
astral lantern
How much heat do I need to make it 2
cunning urchin
To make what 2?
proven monolith
you just have to keep doing runs
cunning urchin
Err... 2 Heat to make the gauge 2 Heat.
astral lantern
When I raise my heat
proven monolith
i think they mean
cunning urchin
proven monolith
you should be able to increase the heat
astral lantern
When ever I increase my heat
proven monolith
on the contract
astral lantern
Like to 7 for example
proven monolith
yeah
cunning urchin
Pretty much. If you do 7 Heat but haven't cleared 1 Heat yet, you get the rewards from 1 Heat. And so on.
You can go above the gauge, but you don't get any extra rewards for doing that.
cunning urchin
It's to prevent people from doing 20 Heat and just instantly getting 20x rewards or anything like that.
But at the same time, you can choose to do 20 Heat 20 times and get the rewards from 1-20 Heat that way if you prefer the challenge. But the more casual players can just go up 1 by 1.
astral lantern
Ok ty
novel plaza
Okay, I’m trying a bow build for a first clear with it
I’m going Chiron and I want to do Low Tolerance
I think I messed up by making Aphro Special my first book
Boon
I should have done Aphro Attack and Dio Special
novel plaza
Interesting
I heard Hera was good
What are some good Guan Yu builds?
I just unlocked it and I want to try it out, but I don’t want to do just another Merciful End
last dirge
If you want to use the spin attack, a lot of stuff works. Maybe Low Tolerance.
If you just do special, basically the same but dont bother with that duo. Aphro special. Maybe go for heart rend.
long escarp
Low Tolerance Guan Yu? I’ve actually never heard of this
unique mason
What’s the meta build for zag shield?
long escarp
Charged Shot
lone jetty
What are some good Guan Yu builds?
Nyaanyaa’s Guan Yu guide is good #h1-discussion message
cunning urchin
Nyaanyaa*
lone jetty
Fixed, sorry.
novel plaza
I’m also going to try a parting shot Achilles build later today
strange lark
@clear heath for ME you should use gods pride instead of gods legacy for purple doom and hermes
the difference between common doom and epic doom is pretty big
valid dagger
^
clear heath
Aha fair enough
valid dagger
And don't open up other duos so you can get ME
Best god to fill your cores would probably be Zeus
For Cast and Call
But maybe wait on the Call til you see Hermes
For slightly better odds
clear heath
Cool, thanks for the help
strange lark
gl on your sub 10 grind
clear heath
It's gonna be this attempt
strange lark
yup
proper furnace
Random but is there a reason for why Theseus just stays in the invencibility bubble for way longer some times?
last dirge
GY with spin is just super versatile
Low Tolerance works because the base parts work. Curse of Longing is another odd one.
cunning urchin
Random but is there a reason for why Theseus just stays in the invencibility bub...
It's comfy?
proper furnace
Thats a nice reason
last dirge
Monologuing
long escarp
Not sure if that exists
proper furnace
Meme beams + glaciar glare is technically chill build
long escarp
I don’t really know of Chill builds since generally I consider it to be pretty bad
Oh wait I did forget about Crystal beam
proper furnace
Can also do artic blast on Chiron
long escarp
The only time I use chill is snow burst
burnt kelp
Any good beowulf builds? Just unlocked it and I want to try it out
burnt kelp
any important attacks, specials, dashes?
burnt kelp
alr
strange lark
Just don't open up any duo boons other than mirage
valid dagger
You just need Mirage shot + 1 good thing on Beowulf in terms of scaling
RD / Chaos / Wells
If 2 or all 3 of those cooperate then you're simply gonna wreck everything
long escarp
like 1-2 boons and thats it
3 boons, one of which is a duo
lucid oar
Charged shot
strange lark
Unmodded moment
long escarp
And poms ofc
scenic fox
For Beowulf, Infernal Soul or Stygian Soul?
strange lark
Stygian for trippy flare, infernal for everything else
hidden musk
imma try out the aspect of rama, anyone got a good artemis build
or just a good build in general
cunning urchin
Deadly Strike, Hunter Dash, and any out of Lightning, Doom, or Hangover on Special.
hidden musk
tysm, i might try artemis and dionysus
cunning urchin
Hangover for Splitting Headache is pretty natural.
hidden musk
would a special boon be more important or attack
cunning urchin
Also great for Numbing Sensation and Bad Influence.
hidden musk
ok!
cunning urchin
If you're wondering whether to start with Deadly Strike or Drunken Flourish, I don't think it matters too much.
wild owl
I’m gonna have a splitting headache god
It’s 3:51 am here and idk if I should sleep I’m gonna die
cunning urchin
Adamant Arrowhead start is a little more consistent because you can pick up whichever out of Deadly Strike and Hunter Dash.
cunning urchin
Probably just grab whichever has higher rarity.
cunning urchin
It won't really matter in Tartarus and Asphodel, and by the time you're out of Asphodel, you'll likely have both already.
hidden musk
thank you!!
please stop helping me bc im running out of things to say to be thankful/j
cunning urchin
Noted. Will never help you again.
valid dagger
unreal tree
cunning urchin
Also look for Strike and Lunge from Master Chaos.
Talking to MiKE and AngeL1C of course since m not helping NeonRift anymore, ever.
cunning urchin
It's fine. You don't want me to help you ever again, so I won't.
hidden musk
i meant that as a joke but now i feel bad because im bad at human interaction
cunning urchin
m joking, don't worry.
hidden musk
ok, thank you!
elder bronze
plain prairie
good enough
shell sleet
Random but is there a reason for why Theseus just stays in the invencibility bub...
when I asked on src they told me that if you interrupt the combo Shockwave attack by phasing theseus he just sits there for a long time
wind tinsel
||So I've unlocked Aspect of Guan Yu for Varatha, and let me say that... Well it certainly is a new experience considering how it really does lower my total health, and how it had life steal. Any tips? I don't really want to switch to any other weapon, although I do use Blitz Disc and Aspect of Talos.||
fading nymph
past mist
im on a sygian critical run
15% critical chance attack from artemis
40% thrust critical chance from hammer
and 19% critical chance after special from aspect of nemesis
basically after a special i do a full attack combo and im guaranteed to get a critical
fading nymph
Only problem is that you have to use thrust
past mist
Only problem is that you have to use thrust <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
it was a pretty good run honestly
I special then I do a full combo and that's like an easy 900 damage
valid dagger
I special then I do a full combo and that's like an easy 900 damage
Later on this can very easily make you vulnerable and there are better ways to get good dps on sword so most people will tell you not to use the normal standing attack if you want to play the weapon optimally
past mist
Later on this can very easily make you vulnerable and there are better ways to g...
obv, I dash in, do the special then do a quick combo and dodge out
I also had hermes attack speed up
valid dagger
still
past mist
well I did a full clear so I did something right
valid dagger
well you had okay damage and you probably dont have any difficult pacts turned on if any
Pretty much everything can clear at that level, doesnt make it necessarily good
past mist
well you had okay damage and you probably dont have any difficult pacts turned o...
True I had 60% jury summons only
long escarp
well I did a full clear so I did something right
#h1-victory-boasting message
Not sure that’s how it works
Wait did that run get charged sudden explosive return on AP2 wtf
past mist
eh either way at this point in time I'm just tryna full up my bounties
long escarp
I think that was back when I was ok with anvil manip
Because there’s no way I got that naturally lmao
Yeah that has to be anvil manip
long escarp
Yep
past mist
ah
long escarp
Grab anvil, if you don’t like it quit out
Then when you come back, do a manip and see if it’s better
past mist
and I assume you have to enter the chamber with the money for it
long escarp
Manip options include summoning, casting, flipping through codex, etc
past mist
or can it be after clearing a tunnel or two
long escarp
It can be whenever
past mist
oh those cause manip?
long escarp
Just don’t do anything to stop you from quitting before you pick it up
Yes they call RNG
past mist
Just don’t do anything to stop you from quitting before you pick it up
what does that mean?
like any specific examples?
long escarp
Basically rerolls RNG values
To give you a different result
It’s how routed runs work
long escarp
Oh
valid dagger
rng manips through quitouts are illegal for leaderboards so you're pretty much memeing at that point
long escarp
rng manips through quitouts are illegal for leaderboards so you're pretty much m...
Yes, this is worth noting
I only use it for causal runs
Like if I’m doing low heat Hestia and I want clockets for fun
past mist
rng manips through quitouts are illegal for leaderboards so you're pretty much m...
yeah I'm on heat 3 so leaderboards aren't in the picture
worn solar
With hades on special is Chain skewer better?
no since it locks out explosive launcher which is far better
keen bough
no since it locks out explosive launcher which is far better
explosive launcher on spear?
cunning urchin
Exploding.
keen bough
either explosive or exploding
ah
keen bough
no since it locks out explosive launcher which is far better
Yeah that run ended in disaster
lost my 3 win streak against [redacted]
I bought the anvil in styx that replaced chain skewer but then i got Serrated point and Charged skewer that threw off the whole rhythm
Couldn't dash properly or special properly against hades
valid dagger
I hate serrated
novel plaza
I’m working an Achilles Parting shot build now
Should I stick with Aphrodite cast or should I switch to another God? I do have Zeus special and Jolted
novel plaza
The reason is fun
Because Achilles can get you behind enemies easily
I just wanted to do something cast based, which I haven’t done a ton of before
plain prairie
lots of good cast options
novel plaza
Yeah
I guess the best requirements for the cast for this build would be high damage
I already have Aphrodite cast, but only at common
Also I need an attack boon
undone hamlet
What cast do y’all suggest I should use on a Hera Coronacht run?
tawny grove
crush shot
long escarp
Yep, crush shot
undone hamlet
I’ll try it out, thx
tawny grove
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IHgXN-_iYn3G2BWUJ05GSi0Qm4j4FsE0yPNM3stKpOE/edit if you want help with anything theres this
tardy salmon
unreal tree
That's not a duo
valid dagger
Yea
Engulfing Vortex
T2
Wait no
Engulfing Vortex makes it so blades last longer and pull enemies in
Black Metal is larger blades
turbid needle
everyones least favourite subgenre
valid dagger
turbid needle
unreal tree
More of a thrash metal person
turbid needle
I was recently informed by a friend of mine about the 4 god pool mechanic, this knowledge is very helpful
if you force a 5th boon with keepsake does that god get added to the pool?
proper furnace
Ye
turbid needle
cool
proper furnace
Can also stumble upon 5 god pools "naturallly" sometimes
turbid needle
Can also stumble upon 5 god pools "naturallly" sometimes
through trial?
wild owl
Can also stumble upon 5 god pools "naturallly" sometimes
Including Hermes?
valid dagger
no
turbid needle
hermes and chaos are their own thing
wild owl
Wait I don’t think Hermes counts
proper furnace
Hermes isnt counted for god pool
wild owl
He’s unique
valid dagger
Trial also cant show gods you havent seen
proper furnace
through trial?
Mistery boon on shop then different god next door
turbid needle
Trials only take from gods already in your pool
I see thank you
mild raft
Doesn’t even have to be mystery
turbid needle
I really like this cos it makes it alot easier to get specific duos
mild raft
You can theoretically get an 8 god pool by having a 5 god pool in tart and forcing the other 3 gods in the next three biomes
turbid needle
mild raft
For that family favorite stonks
turbid needle
lul
mild raft
You just won’t have a build dw about it
mild raft
4 god pool definitely really good game design
turbid needle
https://imgur.com/WHELTwx speaking of duos, I took curse of drowning obviously
||just kidding, I took merciful end||
mild raft
Yo I love Call Of Duty
But that is the danger of taking Poseidon cast when looking for ME
If you didn’t roll the two duos COD could have taken the duo slot
turbid needle
I had ares keepsake, chaos boon rarity+ boon, gods legacy, refreshing nectar and it was a miniboss room
I was bound to get something
vague sapphire
Man Qauke cutter is insane!!
long escarp
I like Quake Cutter on Talos because I can press special button, go take a bathroom break, and still get back before the animation is over
strange lark
Quake cutter good when you accidentally do a normal special
flint barn
I took Hazard Bomb for the first time today with Artemis special and Heart Rend... Why did no one tell me that thing could crit about 3k fairly regularly?
I had invested a TON of Titan Blood into Hestia bow too right before that run because I wanted juicy attacks, but that's gonna have to happen some other day
proper furnace
Hazard bomb fun
@frosty tusk so about thunder flourish chiron
Lightning bolts have a 0.2 secs internal cooldown wich Chiron runs perfectly into
You only get 1 bolt x volley (2 with weird angles)
proper furnace
It can still work somewhat decently with more zeus (D.strike/jolted mainly) and global dmg
prisma vault
long escarp
Drunken fists 
unreal tree
Drunken fists
wild owl
I took Hazard Bomb for the first time today with Artemis special and Heart Rend....
Yo what?
lucid oar
Hazard bomb is great
wild owl
3k damage is nuts
lucid oar
Turns out an attack having huge AOE and 240 base damage is strong
wild owl
Jesus
It’s like having a free than summon that you just have to be a bit more careful with then
plain prairie
hazard hardly even hurts that much anyway
vague sapphire
I like Quake Cutter on Talos because I can press special button, go take a bathr...
The name of the gloves?
long escarp
Wym
undone hamlet
What special do y’all suggest for an Achilles Spear run?
cunning urchin
Special is not a priority at all.
This is a great guide for Achilles Aspect, even without Flurry Jab. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eAOEli9KqJOVyPD7U-6D1o1yZx1tDMQWLDcMJr8G84E/edit
Has some notes on Special boons, too.
astral lantern
Best cat for hera
pulsar sedge
crush shot is number one, i have done a few runs with others but nothing quite like crush shot
astral lantern
Why
fading nymph
big damage, short range so it doesn't fly 10 miles away when you miss and it being short range is made up by the fact that you shoot it with the bow
fading nymph
I think trippy has higher
cunning urchin
Highest damage lodging Cast.
fading nymph
but trippy needs stygian + extra stone
cunning urchin
Trippy Shot and Slicing Shot have higher damage, but they don't lodge.
And Slicing Shot isn't burst damage.
tawny grove
nah trippy stygian is better
cunning urchin
Because your bloodstones will drop immediately after killing an enemy with Crush Shot, so you can pick them up again immediately.
cunning urchin
Trippy Flare with Stygian Soul isn't bad on Hera, but you need to find extra ammo to even have a build. You're just playing catchup with Crush Shot from the start of the run.
astral lantern
I mean I once got a trippy run with like 6 cast
tawny grove
i’ve done athena cast on hera and it wasn’t terrible but crush shot is much better
astral lantern
Sadly during the run hades didn’t fight me
tawny grove
oh 10th run?
astral lantern
Ya
tawny grove
fun
everybody was like “man i was so looking forward to fighting him on the 10th run” meanwhile i had a terrible build, knew it was coming, and was still relieved
astral lantern
I had an actual decent build that time
My cast was heroic
And I believe I had fully loaded and mirage shot
And then boom didn’t even get to fight him
What a waste of rng
tawny grove
honestly i’m not surprised
cunning urchin
But then you wouldn't have this story to tell now.
astral lantern
Why
tawny grove
oh i’m just joking about how rng never gives it to me
or anyone from what i’ve seen lmao
astral lantern
Bruh
tawny grove
i’ve gotten it like thrice and they weren’t on cast builds
astral lantern
I get it almost every time I do a cast build
tawny grove
oh so you’re rngjesus
astral lantern
Lol
Am I the only one who’s picky with chaos boons
Whenever I get him at the start
I’ll reset until he gives me an epic of wat I want
tawny grove
master chaos uses them btw
and usually i’ll roll/reset once snd then just settle for whatever else after that
astral lantern
Nah
I don’t quit
I’ll keep resetting until I get wat I want
And if I don’t like the hammer I get that run I’ll reset again
To me everything has to go perfectly
cunning urchin
You should like speedrunning. Resetting is all they ever do.
tawny grove
she’s not wrong
i’ve been getting into speedrunning and everybody resets so much
i don’t have the attention span for that
unreal tree
i don’t have the attention span for that
Exactly
You just reset every 3-4 minutes in tartarus its pretty comfy
Very hard to keep focus on rta stuff
long escarp
Why
You need two of three possible non-core tier 1 prerequisites, making it quite rare to even open up
valid dagger
I’ve gotten it twice 
turbid needle
so whats the consensus on serrated point
the damage is so good but that -25% dash really hurts
turbid needle
I found flurry jab to be a much safer option
long escarp
Well neither are safe
But flurry jab is way stronger
But flurry is famously unsafe
turbid needle
hmm ok
valid dagger
I think Serrated is the worst on Gaun yu lmao
I would only take it on Hades or Achilles
Guan yu has nothing going for it in terms of attack
You either get Charged skewer or you don’t and that’s all your damage
long escarp
I think Serrated is the worst on Gaun yu lmao
But it does so much damage
Have you tested it?
Obviously CSkewer is best
By a lot
turbid needle
I tried doing guan special build but no charged skewer 
valid dagger
But it does so much damage
It really doesn’t
You’re sacrificing all your safety with an aspect that already cant afford to get hit much
Achilles has mobility and +150% and Hades has +150% so it actually does damage
Guan yu and Zag spear are a big no from me
long escarp
It really doesn’t
Again, have you tried it out?
90 base damage from a dash strike is a ton actually
valid dagger
Yup
I have
Multiple times
Multiple builds
And it was at 40 heat
I dislike it
unreal tree
long escarp
And it was at 40 heat
It carried my 42 heat Guan Yu
I really think you’re wrong
It’s good
I’ve gotten to Elysium with it in a hitless attempt before I decided to just reset for CSkewer
valid dagger
Well the main thing with it is that Guan Yu has no other good hammer aside from cskewer unless you’re memeing with spins
I still wouldnt say it’s good
lucid oar
It slows down the dash strike animation too
long escarp
Well the main thing with it is that Guan Yu has no other good hammer aside from ...
CSkewer >> SPoint >> Anything else
turbid needle
I wish you could reroll hammers
valid dagger
Yea
Serrated is the only hammer that will do anything aside from Skewer, but it’s garbage in my eyes, being the second best thing doesn’t necessarily make it good
Anyway
Argument not going anywhere
turbid needle
I wish you could reroll hammers
imagine getting cursed slash, hoarding slash and piercing wave options on arthur 
long escarp
Serrated is the only hammer that will do anything aside from Skewer, but it’s ga...
Damn garbage? It’s still good enough to carry a 42 heat run back when my max heat was 45
I think it’s actually genuinely good
Just a lot worse than CSkewer
valid dagger
@jolly bay https://docs.google.com/document/d/137Vqe-8fvStMJ_HMlBKWwq3SVdoOED0lOpBBSmgGwtQ/edit?usp=sharing here is a collection of tips by Nyaanyaa
azure marsh
Is the gun a good weapon at all? I mean I know "all the weapons are good if you build them" but I mean actually
lucid oar
Yes
long escarp
Is the gun a good weapon at all? I mean I know "all the weapons are good if you ...
Shield > Rail = Bow >> Sword = Spear > Fists
azure marsh
what?
worn solar
in terms of base weapon the rail is great. fast attacks synergize well with flat damage especially zeus, special does well with % dmg. it has range and great hammers. and eris and hestia are both very strong aspects
azure marsh
Ah alright thanks
turbid needle
Shield > Rail = Bow >> Sword = Spear > Fists
noo. that cant be completely true
long escarp
Explain
turbid needle
hm
long escarp
Why not
turbid needle
btw what aspect does it say of the shield
lone jetty
I mean that’s at the extremes. All the weapons are fine for typical play
valid dagger
Yea
They’re all fine for like 50 heat and sub7 igt
Ranking them is inaccurate
Pointless
long escarp
I mean obviously you can only tell what’s best if you look to extremes
No such thing as a best casual aspect
valid dagger
Well the massive majority of players don’t get anywhere near the extremes
And you’re ranking plain weapons as opposed to aspects
It’s misleading nonetheless
long escarp
The fact is that some weapons perform better at heat and speedrunning than others
valid dagger
gusty rapids
fwiw this game is genuinely very well balanced
i can only speak to speedrunning but there are 4, possibly 5 aspects that you could claim is the "best" for speedrunning and have a valid argument for, and theres no clear answer as of yet.
that alone to me speaks to how well balanced the game is overall
tawny grove
the leaderboard is full of beo rn
gusty rapids
thats mostly modded; being able to preset a hammer makes beo much better and more consistent than without
valid dagger
Beo with cshot and Beo with no cshot are two different weapons
And cshot odds are the most garbage out of any hammer probably
cunning urchin
And cshot odds are the most garbage out of any hammer probably
Nah, worst odds are for +400% Charged Flight. I haven't seen that one in forever.
I have the worst luck. 
tawny grove
the game really really really wants me to have triple bomb at all time on eris
scenic fox
Is there a build where Doom buffs truly shine? Nemesis blade, perhaps?
scenic fox
I've found that on the fists, but it doesn't sound very efficient :/
That on Nemesis sounds much better to me tbh
lucid oar
It’s great on a lot of weapons
scenic fox
Even on the fists? 🤔
long escarp
Yes
It’s what fist speedruns use
It’s good
I don’t know if Nemesis uses ME
I haven’t honestly watched any Nem speedruns
sterile fiber
AP2 = Lv 2 Approval Process. A Pact option (you get it after the 1st full clear) that reduces boon, pom and hammer choices to 1 per drop. At high level play, if you don't get a particular boon or hammer you want for the first option, you will intentionally die to get a new starting seed
lucid oar
Unmodded still uses ME
lucid oar
Yep
sterile fiber
You can't use the Give Up option if you want to submit an unseeded run (since Give Up keeps your seed). So a lot of super-high heat players will intentionally die a lot in the first room or so
long escarp
…blinding flash?
sterile fiber
and when we say AP2 is free it's a joke that if your drop luck is good, the heat you get is free since taking it in the pact didn't handicap you as much
vs "not free" when it never gives you what you want
@weak yoke
lucid oar
Big additive damage
long escarp
Never thought I’d hear of Blinding Flash being good outside of copium PStat
weak yoke
and when we say AP2 is free it's a joke that if your drop luck is good, the heat...
Ah, gotcha. Thanks melon 🙂
lucid oar
It’s not core tbh but it’s underrated
scenic fox
So I'm doing the Merciful End build with Gilgamesh (I'm living in the edge) and I got both it and Deadly Reversal at the same time when picking up Athena
I'll pick Merciful End, but is the other duo boon good?
scenic fox
Nice, I'll focus on Artemis next then
worn solar
20% crit chance is pretty much a 40% increase in danage output
main problem is it isnt always active
hazy slate
would you take splitting headache or low tolerance on chiron bow?
fading nymph
Low tol
It doesn’t take much longer to get the additional stacks on
Splitting headache also won’t do to much for you on Chiron
unkempt pagoda
turbid needle
whats a good build for the aspect of chaos
long escarp
The best build for Chaos is to switch to a different aspect
turbid needle
The best build for Chaos is to switch to a different aspect <:bouldy:52332911693...
what other aspect then
long escarp
Any other shield is much better
turbid needle
https://discord.com/channels/456889434672201729/520688402958516254/8981406276682...
what
valid dagger
That's the build
cunning urchin
Yes.
errant acorn
I suck so bad with the shield.
long escarp
What aspect
turbid needle
Try zeus shield 
turbid needle
It’s so satisfying when you’re in a small room with splitter? Skulls and skull piles
errant acorn
I honestly kind of suck with every aspect except one.
long escarp
Very hard though
turbid needle
It might be hard but learning it pays off big time
long escarp
I honestly kind of suck with every aspect except one.
Try Beowulf
errant acorn
I did.
long escarp
Load casts, bull rush, enemies die
errant acorn
I've finished at least one run with every aspect
long escarp
Mm hmm
turbid needle
10 min pb wow nice
errant acorn
10:07.
errant acorn
I might just stop playing all the other aspects, LOL
long escarp
Not sub 10 not impressive ||/j||
turbid needle
Play whatevers fun to you honestly
long escarp
Even with insanely good builds I haven’t gotten sub 13
Have you read any speedrun guides?
errant acorn
I also just am enamored with Demeter in this game
turbid needle
Have you read any speedrun guides?
Nope, just wingin it :)
long escarp
Could always try it out
turbid needle
All I know is pause on room rewards
If I ever tryout speedrunning I’ll check it out
I might have a look at that if I ever add JS/CP
long escarp
What aspect do you run?
errant acorn
Arthur, I bet
long escarp
Yeah it’s real slow unfortunately
errant acorn
Yeah.
long escarp
Speedruns with Arthur just play cast builds
turbid needle
My best time with arthur is like 15 mins
errant acorn
Actually wait a second. I like Hestia.
long escarp
BESTIA
errant acorn
So it's Demeter and Hestia.
tawny grove
BESTIA
long escarp
tawny grove
i usually run eris but i’ve been playing with hestia in between sub 10 attempts and i’m liking it a lot
long escarp
I enjoy speedrunning Hestia way more than I expected to
strange lark
I kinda suck at hestia but it's my favorite rail aspect
strange lark
Hestia hard to play
tawny grove
i suck at hestia too but it’s fun af
strange lark
Especially on kbm
turbid needle
I actually don’t like hestia.Reload>shoot cycle is not a fun way to play imo. I also just don’t like rail, least fav weapon
long escarp
I got a 7:06 yesterday on my second run and haven’t gotten particularly close in my 30+ attempts since
tawny grove
kbm 
lucid oar
It’s not that
lucid oar
Reload special dash cast dash attack repeat
strange lark
Frick
long escarp
I actually don’t like hestia.Reload>shoot cycle is not a fun way to play imo. I ...
That’s not how you play Hestia so there’s your issue
long escarp
That’s how you play if you’re just learning the aspect
lucid oar
Mines like 6:40 can’t quite remember
turbid needle
That’s how you play if you’re just learning the aspect
It was my first time using it
long escarp
Fair
tawny grove
my hestia pb is probably 15 smth tbh
turbid needle
I still beat 32 with it cos well, it’s insanely strong
tawny grove
but i wasn’t really trying to speedrun
turbid needle
And low risk
tawny grove
i’m not a fan of high heat tbh
long escarp
What’s your heat pb
strange lark
Sounds like skill issue
tawny grove
tried it, got a 32 for the statue but it’s just not my thing lmao
strange lark
I felt the complete opposite
long escarp
Well 32 can be easy or miserable depending on how you approach it
tawny grove
maybe after i get better at the game idk i’ve been practicing speedrunning lately and i’m enjoying that much better
long escarp
Like someone who does a TD0 pact is gonna have a much worse time than someone who does a TD3 pact generally
strange lark
Td0 pact safe and comfy
long escarp
No
turbid needle
TD0 bad
lucid oar
Im gonna do one MEstia run
long escarp
Eww
strange lark
And now I'm at a comfy 50
Wait did I say 50 I meant 62
long escarp
Mm hmm
long escarp
maybe after i get better at the game idk i’ve been practicing speedrunning latel...
Fair. I find speedrunning stressful so high heat is more chill for me
long escarp
I gotta get better at speedrunning to enjoy it more I think
lucid oar
My controller is starting to drift, let’s see if I can sub 7
tawny grove
I gotta get better at speedrunning to enjoy it more I think
probably me with high heat but idk
long escarp
I get a 25+ second Aspho room and just feel very bad
long escarp
Oh
strange lark
And I set high standards for myself
long escarp
I just want to not do rooms and think “wow that was sloppy, I gotta get better yikes”
strange lark
So if I don't get a 1 min ely I reset
turbid needle
Fair. I find speedrunning stressful so high heat is more chill for me
I agree with this.
tawny grove
I just want to not do rooms and think “wow that was sloppy, I gotta get better y...
eh i like how that feels
gives me motivation
strange lark
I'm new to speedrunning
tawny grove
same
long escarp
I don’t think I’ve ever gotten a sub1 Ely
tawny grove
same
strange lark
Loser
long escarp
Maybe once or twice on Beo
lucid oar
Imagine playing combats 
tawny grove
i’m really really close to a sub 10 and it’s hard
long escarp
I don’t grind enough
lucid oar
I’ve got a few sub 1:30s
tawny grove
i’m really really close to a sub 10 and it’s hard <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
also rng is homophobic i’ll skip half of tartarus and then get 4 sacked
strange lark
I've never had a sub 3 aspho
long escarp
eh i like how that feels
gives me motivation
It did at first but it doesn’t feel good to regularly be on good pace and then then lose 30 seconds in chamber 22 and just reset
Unmodded moment
tawny grove
i’m trying not to reset tbh
practice is more important to me rn
long escarp
Fair
lucid oar
Yeah, I don’t like knowing that only the top ~20% of Tartarus’ even have a chance of pbing
turbid needle
Doesn’s speedrunning involve alotta resetting
lucid oar
Yeah
strange lark
At a high level yeah
turbid needle
long escarp
Tartarus feels fine, I can deal with losing pace in Tart even if I feel good about my build. But in Aspho and Ely it feels bad
strange lark
I don't think you need to reset too much for a sub 10
tawny grove
Doesn’s speedrunning involve alotta resetting <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
it does
lucid oar
Nah not at all
tawny grove
but getting faster at the game and getting a sub 10 is important to me rn so
long escarp
Walking into C22 and saying out loud “please fountain” and then getting unarmored witches
lucid oar
Skill issue tbh
strange lark
Honestly
long escarp
Kinda is
A better player would simply play faster and therefore not have to reset just from having to play C22
strange lark
True that
lucid oar
Does anyone else get a tart with a bunch of louts and play so badly that it’s barely quicker than the last tart which had 12 3 waves
And just cry
strange lark
No
lucid oar
:((
strange lark
:croven:
long escarp
No I’m decent with louts but I absolutely play so bad for rooms with small enemies (Hestia btw)
Like they’re already bad but I play them extra bad
lucid oar
Yeah I usually am too but sometimes I’ll just reload 2 times for one Lout
long escarp
Idk when to attack or dash or special or what to even do
lucid oar
You kinda get a feel for it
long escarp
Yeah
I want to try vod review on the speedrun server but I feel like I have to play a lot better first because all the things I need to change are very obvious just by watching my own vods
strange lark
I love when I throw a special at an enemy to shoot it with my attack and waste time with the special
cunning urchin
Does anyone else get a tart with a bunch of louts and play so badly that it’s ba...
No, it's just you.
long escarp
I love when I throw a special at an enemy to shoot it with my attack and waste t...
Yep same
I do that for hitless and heat Hestia too. That’s just the Hestia experience
The true Hestia experience is forgetting that your attack has 3x the base damage of your special
lucid oar
Shooting the last enemy in a wave with the special and waiting for it to fall instead of pressing attack 😍
lucid oar
While you awkwardly wait at the door
long escarp
Yep
strange lark
When you strategically shoot a special at an enemy, dash away, and have the special miss
lucid oar
🧠
long escarp
The Hestia Experience ™
strange lark
Hesita moment
turbid needle
Which ones lout
strange lark
Big Kung Fu panda lookin ass
turbid needle
Ah
lucid oar
Fat dude that launches his fat body into you
I think thugs should have more health than louts
From appearance alone
strange lark
Turn on cp2
turbid needle
long escarp
I think thugs should have more health than louts
Yeah I agree
turbid needle
Didn’t you hear? Fat means big hp!
long escarp
Thugs are just way too easy to also have less hp than louts
undone hamlet
I love Zagreus Bow with Triple Shot 🥰
I used it paired with flurry shot and Artemis attack. Literally an effortless [REDACTED] battle
valid dagger
@gleaming marsh Since some of the weapons / boons are a spoiler in #h1-for-new-players I'll post it here, this guide has a lot of solid builds and covers the weapon mechanics briefly https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide
gleaming marsh
thank you!
shell sleet
thank you!
nice name
gleaming marsh
nice name
oh haha it's a joke between me and my friends
(good show tho definitely recommend)
shell sleet
(good show tho definitely recommend)
yeah a friend of mine is always talking about it
knotty dirge
long escarp
Hopefully you mean you put Poseidon on your dash
proper furnace
Embrace super soaker
long escarp
Super soaker zag rail
turbid needle
I don't understand pyre/transistor emotes
turbid needle
same
proper furnace
Ron is Ron, thats all you need to know
errant narwhal
theyre good games you should play them :]
turbid needle
errant narwhal
but i feel like transcends pyre
long escarp
Yeah I’ve never played Pyre but I use
turbid needle
should add the steam stickers as actual discord stickers
errant acorn
They're good games, give 'em a shot.
long escarp
same <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Wait wait then why do you have the pyre role
Certainly not just for the pink name
errant acorn
Anyway.
In another channel someone suggested that I placed too high a priority on health, which I'm willing to admit is a possibility but also do I just need to pay that much more constant attention to every enemy attack?
Like look at Theseus. His summon move is just a big hitbox that's all around him. How are people surviving it if they're also constantly right up next to him attacking him?
fading nymph
It’s ok to take the button off the attack button sometimes
valid dagger
If you look at your DDs + health you were pretty much never close to dying
So if you wanna play agressive and stay up close to do damage then just tank it
And eat the DD
wont matter
And yea as Pancake said poms on your attack is a big priority
More damage = you kill stuff faster
long escarp
Health is a resource
fading nymph
Watching high level runs can also help
long escarp
Even at 50hp in Elysium, I’ll still almost always take gold over a heart tbh
lucid oar
I won’t
valid dagger
It’s fists
long escarp
True
naive tusk
Pew pew bam bam, everything goes kablooey 
I'm very biased and always pick hearts 
But seeing big numbers is also appealing 
wild owl
is charged shot a good hamer for beo? i just started playing that aspect
wild owl
aight, good
strange lark
It can be harder to use but def the best
turbid needle
Wait wait then why do you have the pyre role <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
I like pink
long escarp
Smh
turbid needle
fading nymph
turbid needle
wish it was hot pink tho
turbid needle
which casts are best for poseidon, hera, beowulf respectively
fading nymph
Hera: Crush shot
Beo: Flood, Pash, Trippy (run stygian with trippy so you don't have to wait on fog, high roll because you really need extra stones from chaos) flood flare is the best one
Posiedon: Crush and Phalanx I'm pretty sure
turbid needle
thank you
prob will never use poseidon but hera and beo are pretty interesting so I'll do some runs with them at some point
errant acorn
I heard at one point that the best option for Poseidon is to go for Lightning Phalanx.
fading nymph
yeah LP is pretty nice with phalanx
shell sleet
Hera: Crush shot
Beo: Flood, Pash, Trippy (run stygian with trippy so you don't...
is crush actually good on poseidon
it certainly didn't feel that good when I tried it
lightning phalanx good though
cunning urchin
Crush Shot gud.
long escarp
I heard at one point that the best option for Poseidon is to go for Lightning Ph...
Lightning Phalanx is good because Phalanx on its own is good. And then if you have Phalanx, you can throw it LP to make it better. But unlike builds like Hunting Blades or Crystal Clarity, Lightning Phalanx is not a super key part of the build and there are times where it’s just not really worth forcing
turbid needle
So I did 32 zeus and oh god I have a long way to go with learning this thing
24 seconds left on TD3 which is an awful time even tho I got 4 sacked
turbid needle
Still I need to be faster if I ever want to add js if/when I go up to 50
long escarp
That’s definitely fast enough to not feel bad about
Yeah true, JS2 for 40 is pretty standard
turbid needle
From 32>40 I go full HL & FO
My furthest zeus attempt at 40 was very nearly killed lernie
long escarp
What’s your pact look like?
long escarp
Oh yeah I guess you can comfortably go up to 41 with JS0 AP0
turbid needle
Yeah, just gotta learn to get hit less 
@long escarp your bug sheet mentioned double strike being much higher than stated, do you know how much higher?
And does that increase with rarity?
long escarp
Keep in mind
turbid needle
I like it
long escarp
This does not work on Zeus special
turbid needle
Oh
turbid needle
Is there a cooldown on how often double strike can activate?
turbid needle
Mmmm ok then. So does double strike have any effect on zeus shield special?
long escarp
I think if it does the effect is very minimal
turbid needle
valid dagger
It's good if you have Jolted
turbid needle
I go for jolted first ideally then t2 then pray for splitting
I can get by without splitting but it sure is nice
valid dagger
Jolted is an independent lightning bolt
And Double strike works on Jolted just fine
long escarp
Oh gotcha
bright solar
best effect to put on zeus shield special? I use hangover but thunder looks great to
long escarp
Zeus >>>>> Everything else
turbid needle
Doom if you can get Merciful End is technically the best
But Zeus is the 'ol reliable
valid stratus
which one should i go with, artemis/zeus trial of the gods or daedalus hammer on aspect of eris?
1 heat, extreme measures 1
errant acorn
Hammer.
long escarp
Doesn’t matter
errant acorn
So what's the deal with Arthur? Is it generally accepted to just always take Aphrodite attack boon?
valid stratus
i did
probably cause it's really good
next question
what are some good synergies with an artemis/zeus eris build
valid stratus
good idea