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worn solar
fallen spoke
Anyone have a meme run for me?
cunning urchin
Have you done the Monthly Challenge from last month yet?
fallen spoke
No bc i hate heightened secvurity i dont like taking half my damage of the hole run in asphodell
Gonna do an one shot type build with active reload gune forgot the name lol
proper furnace
Hestia is bestia
gusty rapids
hesty 
strange lark
Besty
lucid oar
Hestia is pretty good
cunning urchin
Have y'all done the Monthly Challenge yet? 
strange lark
No
tawny grove
is there a new one?
cunning urchin
The February Challenge? No, not yet.
But have you done the January Challenge yet?
strange lark
No
cunning urchin
Do it. š« 
strange lark
Maybe
fallen spoke
Hestia is not my cup of tea
lucid oar
hesTEAa
deep sage
booted the game after an year. got cluster rockets and epic artemis special on eris rail. ruined it coz I'm so rusty. now I'm kicking myself for ruining this seed.
neon vine
hi, im new to hades, enjoying the game so far,
i got some titan blood, whats that used for
neon vine
only got bow, shield and blade
cunning urchin
#h1-for-new-players might be better since that'll be free of spoilers.
zenith hinge
Hey there o/
Just had a little question, everytime i forgot the answer ^^
What's the "bugged" cast to use with Beowulf?
cunning urchin
zenith hinge
perfect ^^ thanks š
wow very intersting doc
it is up to date i suppose? i mean, all those bugs are not fixed right?
mossy heart
What is a build thatās tons of fun
zenith hinge
hmm i didnt use that aspect a lot, maybe more experienced players will be able to help you. But if you want play another shield aspect, you can try what i'm going to do, beowulf with the "bugged" cast ^^. Very, very strong :p
proper furnace
it is up to date i suppose? i mean, all those bugs are not fixed right?
Yeah we are not getting those bug fixed
worn solar
(Zag aspect)
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/908488438397947904/unknown.png zeus special/seastorm is pretty fun
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/912921664231198771/Hades_11_23_2021_8_24_02_PM.png for hammer dependent build theres pulv blow/cshot
zenith hinge
So i made my Beo run (#h1-victory-boasting message), and i wasnt sure about my first hammer choice (got the hammer in first room), i had Sudden Rush, Minotaur Rush and Breaching Rush. I took Sudden Rush, was it the good choice?
cunning urchin
Yup.
zenith hinge
Oh ok good to know, i wasnt sure at all
cunning urchin
Sudden Rush and Breaching Rush are both good. Sudden Rush is best out of those three.
That said, Sudden Rush can require some practice to not overcharge your Dragon-Rushes and just whiff your Casts.
zenith hinge
Yeah exactly, sometimes i was shooting behind ennemies ^^
i dont have lot of experience with that aspect, and not many more with Charged shot (got it as 2nd hammer ^^)
Also knowing how much cast you need to charge to one shot ennemies need practice
cunning urchin
Yeah, getting a sense for those things takes time.
zenith hinge
But in first rooms, 1 cast was enough
I decided to go for Poseidon cast because its easier to get mirage shot. if you choose trippy flare it can be harder
cunning urchin
I only play Passion Flare.
zenith hinge
oh ok, never tried this one
worn solar
thunderflare or shackle cast best 
zenith hinge
also i wasnt sure about going for Infernal Soul / Stygian Soul. I feel better with Infernal Soul because if you dont have the chance to get more casts with chaos or other ways it can be harder š
worn solar
infernal unless its trippy
proper furnace
^
zenith hinge
ah yeah i read that but i didnt understand the reason
worn solar
beo just spits out bloodstones at the end of the rush so theyre easy to collect
trippy leaves stuck them in the fog so it isnt
proper furnace
Stygian on trippy is cuz trippy takes 5 secs(?) To get the cast back compared to stygian 3 secs
zenith hinge
And going for Fiery Presence was a good choice too right?
proper furnace
Yeah fiery good
zenith hinge
ok š
I wish i had charged shot as my first hammer because the gameplay is very cool
at high heats i suppose people use mod to get it first room?
or for speedruns maybe?
proper furnace
Speedrun modpack forces the first hammer to be Cshot but not first chamber
worn solar
if doing em4 then usually you use sudden rush
cunning urchin
at high heats i suppose people use mod to get it first room?
Modded has a different leaderboard.
zenith hinge
Finaly upgraded my last aspect, Zeus shield ^^. What build could i do with it? Never played that aspect
seems like a ME build is possible with it
or i could try a full zeus build ^^ sounds logic with zeus aspect :p
wary kestrel
I need an aspect of zeus build
zenith hinge
tomorrow i wanted to try something with the gilga fists, like doing a run using dashes only to kill. I think its doable with differents dashs but with zeus dash it can be powerfull i think ?
zealous spoke
I need an aspect of zeus build
Aspect of Zeus's special is pretty good for any ability that triggers upon each hit
So usually when I play with this aspect I'll try to run something like Thunder Flourish to add a lot of damage to each special hit
Then you can get stuff like Swift Flourish to increase the speed of the ticks, Jolted on top of that for extra damage, probably double strike too...
Basically just mash boons that benefit from a lot of hits and it'll probably work
unreal tree
Then you can get stuff like Swift Flourish to increase the speed of the ticks, J...
Swift flourish doesnt work that way for zeus
It just slightly speeds up the animation when you first throw it
unreal tree
Dw its pretty obscure
cunning urchin
@topaz nest her Dash is pretty bad. Snow Burst is amazing in Cast builds. Her Cast is kinda bad on its own but actually pretty good when you get a Duo Boon for it.
If you have any of her boons that inflict Chill, you really wanna try to get Killing Freeze from her. That'll do a lot of damage especially to bosses.
topaz nest
<@480755901033087007> her Dash is pretty bad. Snow Burst is amazing in Cast buil...
ooh
i got her dash and cast so lmao
pastel jolt
tawny grove
whatās your favorite ābrain deadā build where you just sit back and spam a button
hunting blades.
polar python
Talos fists with Poseidon special, explosive upper and life steal.
Add sea storm for easy mode.
fallen spoke
whatās your favorite ābrain deadā build where you just sit back and spam a butto...
my go to cast build
flurry spear
polar python
Zeus flurry Jab is good too
fallen spoke
everything works with flurry jab
outer rose
I like talos gloves and Dyonisus special/attack + support fire
Ranma bow with it good too
wild jasper
whatās your favorite ābrain deadā build where you just sit back and spam a butto...
Lucifer with Lightning strike
You literally just put Zeus on Lucifer's attack and suddenly your build is good
Hell, Lightning strike is a really great boon on any rail build (except for Hestia which really only wants a boon with percentage buff for attack)
outer rose
Yeah
Zeus on Lucifer good
Iām not that great with the Hellfire part but being able to just blast with the gun good
fallen spoke
i also like dyo on it just hangover and run
polar python
I don't like Lucifer for its inability to knock back enemies.
wild jasper
So you just dislike the rail in general?
fallen spoke
i wanted to say that
fallen spoke
beo dyo
polar python
Beo with Charged Shot is easy mode.
fallen spoke
indeed
polar python
So you just dislike the rail in general? <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Except for Hestia, that thing's a beast.
fallen spoke
well dark thirst on spear hunting blades here i come
tawny grove
hm whatās sea storm nemesis like
worn solar
eh
proper furnace
"why are you doing this"
worn solar
that sums it up
tawny grove
fair enough
proper furnace
Tempest strike is 
tawny grove
whatās a good nem build? not feeling like heart rend though
proper furnace
Merciful end
high trench
No boon, shackle build would be good for nem, methinks
worn solar
idk about good
cunning urchin
whatās your favorite ābrain deadā build where you just sit back and spam a butto...
Zag Bow Heartbreak Strike is good for that. Just Dash-Strike Power Shots with the same rhythm for the whole run.
Nemesis and just Special > Dash-Strike x2 the whole run.
lucid oar
Zeus special Rama probably fits that description best
worn solar
artemis special 
tall saffron
Wow so the adamant rail with multi rockets and chill damage is op, and super easy to spam hades with
turbid needle
whats the best people to gift first?
tawny grove
gods for sure
cunning urchin
whats the best people to gift first?
Just follow this guide. https://twitter.com/dianaii__/status/1336090118218801153
tawny grove
best rama build?
fading nymph
Aphrodite or Artemis on attack, Zeus, Dio, Ares, on special, hunter dash also very good
ornate needle
how do cast boons work with aspect of beowulf
worn solar
they explode at the end of your bullrush
worn solar
beo moment
proper furnace
Mirage shot moment
high trench
@cunning urchin Apologies for the sudden ping, but I wanted to ask since you're the resident expert here in a fashion - what's a fun strike build for the flurry spear that uses Aphrodite boons mainly?
I want to try something different, but also perhaps some duo boons that are less common.
visual spear
I have no idea if itās possible to get in a run, but an idea I had for a casting build was such: True Shot, Support Fire, Fully Loaded, Exit Wounds, Flurry Cast, Greater Recall. Iām just imagining doing nothing but standing as arrow after arrow keeps hitting everybody.
proper furnace
Hope you are using poseidon aspect or that casting is gonna stop for 15 seconds on bosses
visual spear
I didnāt even think about weapons. That would help wouldnāt it.
proper furnace
Lodging cast without quick reload will suffer quite a bit lol
Unless poseidon/hera
wild jasper
Should probably get Mirage Shot by getting Tidal dash first, and get some Chaos boons too
proper furnace
Also ^ extra casts from chaos are eqsier to come across than fully loaded
Can also get cast dmg
wild jasper
Even if you don't care about MS, you probably want that dash anyway 
Sooooo... any reasons to pick Stygian Soul over Infernal Soul?
proper furnace
Meme beams/ tripoy shot-flare
Those take longer to come back comoared to stygian
You want extra casts for than infernal tho
analog cove
It seems extra reliant on +1 from chaos however
cunning urchin
<@311477984886521856> Apologies for the sudden ping, but I wanted to ask since y...
By Flurry Spear you mean Flurry Jab? So Zag Spear or Achilles with Flurry Jab?
high trench
That's the one!
cunning urchin
That's the one!
Sry, got distracted.
So... one build you could do with Achilles is to start Heartbreak Strike or alternatively Passion Dash if the Attack isn't offered and then go for both Cold Embrace (with Crystal Beam) and Unhealthy Fixation. And then you have beams fighting for you and enemies fighting for you. (Poms on Dash if you start Dash btw.) If you also get Snow Burst or a core boon from her to inflict Chill, then you also want to go for Killing Freeze. And with Weak + Chill, Privileged Status is a pretty natural option.
Another one that's probably a lot stronger and also a lot of fun is to just start Heartbreak Strike > Zeus' Aid > Smoldering Air. And then you can just mix in other things as you come across them, like maybe Phalanx Shot for Lightning Phalanx and Parting Shot, or maybe Tidal Dash for big damage and Sweet Nectar... Or if Attack isn't offered, again, then Passion Dash > Lightning Strike > Static Discharge with poms on Dash and on Static Discharge... and then pick up any good Call and get Smoldering Air. Since you're not too sure if you'll get a second status curse, you'd want to go for Family Favorite here.
Passion Dash > Deadly Strike > Hunter's Mark and Heart Rend. Very straightforward crit build. You can throw in Slicing Shot for Hunting Blades, Crystal Beam for either of their Duo Boons, Zeus' Aid for the same... Artemis' Aid for big burst damage if you're willing to put a few poms on it is also a strong option. Crit builds generally go for Family Favorite, since Marked is not a curse that's easily spread.
Passion Dash > Drunken Strike and Trippy Shot > Low Tolerance and Black Out. And also put a lot of poms on all three of those boons. You can also alternatively go Heartbreak Strike + Drunken Dash. Naturally with Weak and Hangover, you go for Privileged Status.
Since Lady Aphrodite has some very powerful Duo Boons and a powerful Legendary, Gods' Legacy is always a decent choice because it really increases your chances to get multiple of them. But recently I usually go for Gods' Pride.
While not an Attack build, Crush Shot builds are always very strong. Like when I went for sub 10 on all aspects for example, Crush Shot was my go-to build whenever I didn't feel like playing the aspect and just wanted the sub 10. And Achilles has +150% Cast damage, so it actually synergizes with it while on its own already being a very strong Cast with amazing pom scaling.
high trench
I'll have to try them all out over time. Thank you for the detailed build descriptions, appreciate it 
cunning urchin
Well, I just pointed out the key pieces. There are a lot of nuances that can arise depending on what you run into.
And also what I favor can depend on what my goals are. Like, at high heat I would often favor survivability from Broken Resolve, for example, over increased damage from Sweet Surrender.. unless I expect the timer is going to be tight.
But at like 32 or below, I would most likely just get Sweet Surrender instead and go for DPS.
Life Affirmation makes Centaur Hearts incredibly valuable while Sweet Nectar makes Poms incredibly valuable (presuming you have boons with good pom scaling). I often have both, and then whether I favor Centaur Hearts or Poms really depends on a lot of details.
If the content is easy for me, of course, then always just poms and go for damage.
high trench
I'll keep that in mind. I'm only at 16 heat now so I'll experiment as I go along.
cunning urchin
Speaking of value... when you already have Weak for the 30% damage reduction, it makes any further damage reduction you find even stronger.
And also dodge chance even stronger.
Which means that especially Hyper Sprint, Second Wind, and Greater Evasion have very high eHP value.
high trench
Speaking of which, do you take higher legendary/duo over epic boon chance? (I forget the mirror upgrade names). I take it it's circumstantial depending on what you need for a build?
valid dagger
Yes also depending on how valuable those duos are to your build
Pride is usually the pick
cunning urchin
And Broken Resolve is the only damage reduction in the game that's additive with another form of damage reduction, namely Weak, so it's often underestimated. But for example just Weak on its own is about +43% HP effectively... and if you add epic Broken Resolve, it's another +39% just like that. That's like doubling the effect of Weak.
cunning urchin
Since Lady Aphrodite has some very powerful Duo Boons and a powerful Legendary, ...
I answered that one here.
high trench
Ah, ADD moment there - best I stop the questions until I sit down and open the game so that I can go over your build advice properly. Still, thanks for the help. I'll probably come back with some results when I finish those runs!
cunning urchin
Well, maybe my ADHD answers can cancel out your ADHD.
m sure that's how it works.
shell sleet
m sure that's how it works.
im not quite so sure thats true
cunning urchin
I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work that way.
high trench
Actually, she's very right. When I'll get in the mindset to try out those runs, those verbose description will be crucial. it is a very ADHD thing
shell sleet
ill trust you
high trench
I've gotten the impression that Nya has hyperfocused on the mechanical (and possibly narrative) elements of the game as much as anyone with a hyperfixation typical of ADD, given how easily she talks about it. Anyway, we'll see how it goes
I'm just not much of a gamer, so my love for the game is mostly artistic/narrative in nature. Still doesn't hurt to have fun.
topaz nest
Hello how do i build the shield?
errant acorn
What aspect?
turbid needle
is there a "catch all" like reference to best in slots for all the aspects? like a spread sheet or something
valid dagger
There is a link with all the speedrunning guides that the community made so far
Speedrunning is a lot about maximizing your dps and such so it could be useful
Although there is more that goes into it
And some aspects have no guides for now
gusty rapids
https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide this is a decent build collection for all aspects
valid dagger
oh yea this
wild jasper
So what are some examples of boons you want regardless of what the rest of your build is?
cough, Zeus's Aid, cough
cunning urchin
Zeus' Aid is nothing something you want in literally any build.
Boons that are perfectly perfect in every way irregardless of your build are Heartbreak Strike, Heartbreak Flourish, Crush Shot (or Passion Flare), Passion Dash, Aphrodite's Aid, Dying Lament, Wave of Despair, Different League, Life Affirmation, Empty Inside, Sweet Surrender, Broken Resolve, Blown Kiss, and Unhealthy Fixation.
valid dagger
They're perfect to sell
turbid needle
can you eventually get everything unlocked and maxed out?
errant narwhal
yes, though it might take a while
turbid needle
how do you get bloods after killing the first boss with new weapons
errant narwhal
i currently have everything unlocked and maxed out except for the resource director ranks
killing the final boss also nets titan blood
proper furnace
Nope
proven osprey
NG+equivalent is heat with the pact of punishment. That's the way you increase difficulty and get more bounties such as Titan blood
Since it's a rogue lite there's no end, so the concept of NG would not apply
zealous spoke
how do you get bloods after killing the first boss with new weapons
There are four sources of Titan Blood: the first boss, the last boss, trading it at the Wretched Broker for 1 Ambrosia, or buying it at Charon's shop in the Temple of Styx for 1200 coins
turbid needle
thanks
zealous spoke
And the first and last boss rewards are bounties, so as said by Astaos here, you can get them more than once by using heat
proper furnace
Also there is a deal of 15 keys for 1 blood at the broker
zealous spoke
That's stonks
marsh radish
using beuwolf who is great and which keepsake should i take
sterile fiber
On infernal soul
Aphrodite (passion Flare) -> Demeter (Snowburst)
Poseidon (Flood Flare) -> Artemis (Deadly Strike) -> Mirage Shot
On Stygian Soul
Dionysus (Trippy Flare)
Don't take Ice Wine, there's a lag (or try it once anyway)
marsh radish
On infernal soul
Aphrodite (passion Flare) -> Demeter (Snowburst)
Poseidon (Fl...
thanks
stygian soul because it creates aura right
sterile fiber
yeah Trippy Flare hangs out a while
can also mix and match
Check in with Chaos for more damage and/or stones
marsh radish
Check in with Chaos for more damage and/or stones
can i load 5 + stoones
marsh radish
is this accurate
sterile fiber
is what accurate
sterile fiber
Upload somewhere else and paste the link
marsh radish
can you see ?
sterile fiber
You need to paste embed link
unreal tree
marsh radish
Beowulf can't even get Crush shot
?
proper furnace
Thats just a list of aphro boons
It mentioms that beo > passion flare > aphro tier 2 boons
cunning urchin
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/759346219632951296/942872018678845440/unk...
Yeah, that's the optimal Beowulf build. Just get all of those boons.
sterile fiber
Blown Kiss Beo
marsh radish
Blown Kiss Beo <:dusa:522248771409543188>
what was that i know all of them but names arent here
cunning urchin
That's why Hera > Beowulf.
marsh radish
i dont really look at names in the game
tawny grove
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/759346219632951296/942872018678845440/unk...
i didnt know these charts existed i
can someone dm me a posideon one
proper furnace
Blown kiss is crush shot has extra range + dmg to undamaged foes
marsh radish
worn solar
theyre in the wiki
marsh radish
*i didnt know these charts existed i*
*can someone dm me a posideon one*
its in wiki page just scroll down a little
unreal tree
Wiki moment
proven osprey
The charts are great
turbid needle
dark foresight or olympian favor
zealous spoke
Probably foresight
proven osprey
Dark foresight makes the 50/50 of gold laurels/blue laurels doors go to 70/30
it's extremely powerful
zealous spoke
Especially since favor also takes so much freaking darkness to max out
It's pretty terrible
analog cove
Foresight is better since it means more run winning stuff, boon rarity doesnāt matter as much as quantity of boons
zealous spoke
lowkey want to try a boon less run
That seems fun
Now you can finally dust off the Broken Shackle
tawny grove
i need four more wins till i get 10 in a row and then iāll do a boonless one
or if i break it
lost charm
guys, super silly yet not that silly question: the duo boon with aphrodite and zeus is good in what scenario? 'Cause... like, 25% on the god gauge is soooo limitating
strange lark
guys, super silly yet not that silly question: the duo boon with aphrodite and z...
It's good in like every situation
cunning urchin
One of the very best boons in the game. Great in any build.
lost charm
oh, ok
I mean, I'm always looking for max the god gauge
but I guess 25% is a good thing
strange lark
Full calls are that good tbh
The only good full calls are arty and aphro
For every other call lesser call is better
lost charm
hmmm, fair point
zealous spoke
The only good full calls are arty and aphro
And Aphro becomes completely useless now with Smair
At least, in bosses, that it
strange lark
And Aphro becomes completely useless now with Smair
Nah it stuns bosses
It's very nice
strange lark
Yeah
zealous spoke
I wonder how hard it would be to get theseus to hit the minotaur with charm, or vice versa
lost charm
it depends on the weapon
me too
my super goal is to reach under 20 or 15 run with most boons from aphrodite
charm and weak effects are so broken with artemis
sterile fiber
I once saw someone charm Asterius as he was just starting his spin beside Theseus, brought him from 30% to 0 in like 3 hits
lost charm
oh?
sterile fiber
oh?
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Ap4y1z7MM
starts at 1 minute. it's in chinese but you get the idea
also jk that was 2 hits from 30 to 0
tawny grove
so how do you use hestia and whats a good build for it
polar python
Rebind your reload to something like left trigger for a start. Then get Aphrodite attack and practice fire/reload dash striking. Get Artemis on cast or special with Hunter's Mark and let the crits roll in. You can be doing 1k hits in Tartarus if you're lucky.
fading nymph
bronze marten
I once saw someone charm Asterius as he was just starting his spin beside Theseu...
Hey
that was my first hades movie
bronze marten
my super goal is to reach under 20 or 15 run with most boons from aphrodite
You should connect with @cunning urchin
ornate needle
does aspect of arthur slow at base or is it only with the daedelus hammer enchant
polar python
It's the special that produces a slowing aura. It's part of the aspect.
shell sleet
Boons that are perfectly perfect in every way irregardless of your build are Hea...
always remember to list parting shot when you list the sell boons, but other than that its a good list š
lost charm
You should connect with <@!311477984886521856>
I will! Thanks ā¤
cunning elm
Beams + Pressure Points + Hunter's Mark = roflmao
dull vigil
what are some viable builds for the sword, other than merciful end arthur and crit nemesis?
arthur is way too slow for my taste, and with nemesis I had a hard time hitting the target...
like if not a boss I missed like 50% of the attacks lol
valid dagger
Merciful End Arthur is not viable lol
strange lark
strange lark
worn solar
you can go smair arthur
fading nymph
MERTHUR
turbid needle
Put it in wrong discussion, will double nova take away a poseidon knockaway effect?
cunning urchin
Also no.
turbid needle
Thank ya x2
tawny grove
want to try crush shot beo but ive always had problems with using beo/hera
feels slow, ig
wild jasper
I remember last time I did Beo shield, I took Artemis's cast and Tidal dash and got Mirage shot later on
Was pretty fun, though idk if taking Art cast was the best idea, probably should've gotten Crush Shot/Passion Flare and take Artemis's attack or something instead so I could still take Mirage shot
worn solar
or take flood shot + arty attack. easiest way to get mirage
arty cast main problem is that its tiny af
wild jasper
Tbf, Beo makes everything uniform in shape and size
worn solar
cast size varies quite a bit
wild jasper
On Beo Shield?
worn solar
yeah
like look at your base cast and then look at the size when you put on flood flare
proper furnace
Or passion flare wheb it gets bugged
worn solar
wild jasper
Wut
worn solar
when you sell your attack boon pass flare reverts to base cast size
wild jasper
How does that make any sense?
Does it turn back when you get another attack?
cunning urchin
@wild jasper
proper furnace
How does that make any sense?
Does it turn back when you get another attack?
Cause its beowulf
worn solar
beo has more bugs than the rest of the aspects combined
ruby glade
cunning urchin
Requirements for hidden aspects are pinned in #h1-story-discussion. First one you need to unlock is the hidden spear.
worn solar
https://imgur.com/a/wRowN8c @grand brook nem go zoomy zoomy stabby stabby
grand brook
https://imgur.com/a/wRowN8c <@828086631465746453> nem go zoomy zoomy stabby stab...
Might be fun to do a run with sometime
cunning elm
https://imgur.com/a/wRowN8c <@828086631465746453> nem go zoomy zoomy stabby stab...
What in the heck am I looking at, my god
worn solar
ebic greater reflex
cunning elm
Interesting. Never used that one at all
worn solar
usually better to just go aphro
cunning elm
Meanwhile my Hades is getting an update?????
cunning urchin
worn solar
minor bug fixes
cunning elm
ty
https://i.imgur.com/Ut4yB8Z.png ANYONE ELSE POGGING sorry I'll go back on topic soon
tawny grove
yes
granite plover
mm yes
guys i have a question tho, how do i beat the game because i just MMMM i will not work im always very close but it just does not want to work :(?
valid dagger
guys i have a question tho, how do i beat the game because i just MMMM i will no...
What are you struggling with
granite plover
the end fight with hades (mostly the ads)
should i go first for hades ore kill the ads first?
valid dagger
It depends on what the adds are and whether you can keep the fight clean with everything on screen when they spawn
If they give you trouble kill them
But Hades is still your main threat
Taking an arrow from an add is better than a Hades spin
granite plover
oke so adds first then focus on hades.
valid dagger
You can yea that's totally reasonable
Try to focus on your dash timing and hades' moveset
And remember to empty dash to avoid stuff
Dash striking strips your iframes
valid dagger
gl
worldly stream
Anyone know what conditions to pick for 10 heat on fists
valid dagger
Anyone know what conditions to pick for 10 heat on fists
MM BP1 EM2 TD1/2 are good ones to get used to
UC aswell
Those should make 10
These are somewhat the core picks for heat
Not just for fists
And later on TD3 EM3 BP2 LC4 etc
If you plan on pushing heat 32+ you can also get used to Forced Overtime and possibly Heightened Security
If your end goal is 32 then you can avoid both of those easily
dull vigil
Merciful End Arthur is not viable lol
Whats a good arthur build then?
zealous spoke
Probably something like Aphrodite on main attack, right?
Since you can't get that many hits in, just buffing your damage all the way up is probably a good idea
Maybe even Artemis for some really strong crits, though not sure what you'd do from there build-wise
proper furnace
Aphro is the most common yeah
Big % and double.dio on dmg reduction
Can just slap zeus call on it for smoldering air
Even if artemis gave you crits you wsnt chaos boons to scale/hunter mark
And good luck hitting the crit specific in the 3rd attack
valid dagger
Yea Aprho attack + Zeus call and Smoldering Air is pretty popular
Crits are okay, I personally dislike them because your swings are so slow
A cast on Arthur can be very nice overall
Phalanx + Lightning Phalanx helps with bossing
And room clearing
Zeus cast is nice early on but falls off a bit later in Aspho and Ely unless you get massive scaling
zealous spoke
Phalanx + Lightning Phalanx helps with bossing
Lightning Phalanx helps with bossing?
zealous spoke
I guess
valid dagger
It's actually amazing for Heroes
zealous spoke
I personally don't like bouncy casts on Heroes since the Cast keeps getting stuck in the wrong guy, so I can't use Boiling Blood
dull vigil
Thanks for the help everyone, gonna try that build
proper furnace
Gaming
valid dagger
Nice
sonic cradle
does blood frenzy stack?
that is to say, if i die more than once does it add another damage boost?
proper furnace
No
lone cloak
If something affects your attack like aspect of nemesis, will it also affect your dash strike
valid dagger
Nope
valid dagger
It is
zealous spoke
Weird
lone cloak
so deadly strike increases crit chance for dash strike?
valid dagger
Yes
lone cloak
weird
valid dagger
And makes it x% stronger
lone cloak
thanks for the clarification
so aspects that affect attack don't afffect dash strike, boons that affect attack affects dash strike...what about hammer upgrades?
valid dagger
The aspect part is not true
zealous spoke
so aspects that affect attack don't afffect dash strike, boons that affect attac...
Hammer upgrades always specify which is which, since after all, they can be made specifically for a weapon without having to deal with weird things like weapons that don't have charged attacks, or something along those lines
zealous spoke
So something like Pulverizing Blow that doubles the hits of your Attack will not buff Dash-strike
valid dagger
Yea for hammers it depends
wild jasper
Aspect buffs in fact affect your dash strikes
But you said they didn't earlier??
valid dagger
oh wait
My bad
I thought I read attack speed
Nemesis' buff applies to your dash strikes
zealous spoke
untold wagon
should i get the rest of boons from river of styx? I got divine strike (4) deadly flourish (4) crystal beam divine dash (3) etc
high trench
I hate the triple dash strike really - that loss of dash ability feels very crippling. Is it just me?
high trench
That's it, I'm gonna take it for a run now and I won't stop till I get a heroic Hermes attack speed boost
last dirge
Most things that effect attack effect dash strike since dash strike is on attack
The exceptions are some hammers and hermes
So weapon augmentations
near gate
I've been struggling to come up with a solid build for the Aspect of Lucifer. Does anyone have any ideas?
last dirge
Zeus on attack Aphro on special, Zeus call, go for Smouldering Air
Always go for triple bomb when it shows up
Use attack to trigger special orbs initially then just use your call to do it when you get the duo
Or better yet your dash boon can trigger them
Tidal dash is probably best but it could also just push enemies out of the explosion
Alternatively you could just get Passion Dash and find something else for special, though Aphrodite is probably best.
Any dash boon besides Hunter's dash will activate it I think.
You go Zeus attack because the chain lightning is as rapid as it can be, and it can activate the special orbs.
Cast builds even work honestly. Just get Snow Burst
The special orbs act as bonus damage to compensate for no bonus cast damage
near gate
Okay, thanks
last dirge
Use like Zeus cast
I did it once with trippy shot. It was fun.
Enemies are always in my area of effect effects
near gate
It's literally one of my least used, because I prefer crit damage.
last dirge
Same usually. Zeus needs jolted for damage.
Jolted can do a lot of damage even on one hit. I've seen it hit for like 1k
Maybe 900 but still
Crit too. Bolts can crit and the jolted effect is a bolt.
near gate
Was already in the middle of a run and just got heroic aphro boon on special, you spoke it into existence
polar python
How would Jolted do 900 damage? Only in combination with something like Aphrodite, Heart Rend, Artemis and Pressure Points.
I mean jolted is great, but on its own you'll never get 900.
lucid oar
RD, eris buff, level 3-4 heroic
Couple of ichors
Iāve had Zeus aid proc for 400 on non-eris, itās doable
polar python
Would Ichor improve Jolted damage?
Or maybe I misread the original comment "I've seen it hit for like 1k" might not be referring just to jolted.
lucid oar
Ichors with rush delivery
polar python
Right, so a crit-Jolted. Sure, I mean everything's better with crits (3 x to be exact).
shell sleet
Except trippy flare beowulf for some reason
beo gets to ignore all the rules so its ok
unreal tree
Hmm yes this level 2 common cast should definitely be doing 250 damage š
unreal tree
True
ruby coral
I hate the triple dash strike really - that loss of dash ability feels very crip...
nah i actually prefer the triple strike, feels like its good at shredding
but i guess its just preference
lucid oar
Flurry jab is more DPS with no dash distance penalty
It speeds up both standing strikes and dash strikes by 3x when holding attack and dashing
valid dagger
Serrated is pretty annoying yea
ruby coral
It speeds up both standing strikes and dash strikes by 3x when holding attack an...
guess i have to play a bit more to see
i just didnt like the playstyle when i tried it the one time
high trench
Flurry jab is more DPS with no dash distance penalty
Very much this. Add any level of Hermes's attack speed boon and you turn into a blender dashing around the chamber.
I'd only ever use the spin attack when starting off Infernal Trove challenges
valid dagger
Flurry Jab gets rid of your spin attack anyway
ruby coral
Oh my god
Zeus and Poseidon were already really good but Eris rail with the shotgun hammer oh mah god
zealous spoke
Delta Chamber is so fun
The damage is nuts
Is there a Delta Chamber equivalent for Aspect of Lucifer?
cunning urchin
There's Infinity Chamber, but it doesn't give you i-frames on Dash-Strikes like Delta Chamber does.
ruby coral
Ah I lost to the duo
Too close range for shotgun
Still almost one shot the bull
This build is definitely the one to beat the final boss
cunning urchin
Spread Fire is generally considered suboptimal on Eris. Excellent on Zag Rail, though, with the larger mag.
ruby coral
Yeah i see
It was still fun
I had Poseidon dash and Zeus attack
Jolted and ruptured
Plus the triple bomb with athena special boost
I wasn't really lacking in any departmen tlmfa
ruby coral
Spread Fire is generally considered suboptimal on Eris. Excellent on Zag Rail, t...
I guess if i had flurry fire it would've been a golden run
cunning urchin
Flurry Fire is incompatible with Spread Fire.
ruby coral
Just focused on standing there and one shotting everything
Took too many hits in the process
ruby coral
Flurry Fire is incompatible with Spread Fire.
I meant that if i had flurry fire instead of spread fire
zealous spoke
There's Infinity Chamber, but it doesn't give you i-frames on Dash-Strikes like ...
Isn't that, like, the opposite of Delta Chamber?
Or am I misremembering and Delta Chamber isn't the shotgun one
The close-ranged, reduced magazine, beeg damage hammer upgrade
ruby coral
@zealous spoke yo weren't you in that one mobile rogue lite server too
I forgot the name of the game
cunning urchin
Spread Fire is the "shotgun" hammer.
zealous spoke
Yeah
ruby coral
Delta kinda clunky for me ngl
zealous spoke
<@748185085404119121> yo weren't you in that one mobile rogue lite server too
Funny thing is, back there, I was the person with knowledge, whereas here I'm really not
ruby coral
Funny thing is, back there, *I* was the person with knowledge, whereas here I'm ...
Yeah lmfao you started playing recently or?
zealous spoke
Pretty recently
cunning urchin
Ordered from best to worse:
**Cluster Bomb:** 5 bombs instead of 1 at the cost of -30% damage is still 3.5 times more special damage. Makes it easier to get the Eris buff, and clear rooms with multiple enemies. It becomes Rocket-Cluster when combined with Rocket Bomb, which is the best Hammer combination for Eris by far **Rocket Bomb:** improves your special damage from 60 to 80, and fires special much faster. Very good to get the Eris buff asap when entering a chamber, and one-shot most early monsters especially if you have a special boon. Probably better than Cluster when playing with a Controller and/or as a 1st hammer, but I just love Cluster too much **Targeting System:** +30% global damage and slows enemy movement. While itās not relatively as good for Eris as other rail aspects (since you already have Eris 75% damage buff), itās still a very strong hammer **Flurry Fire:** great hammer that can become awesome with the āSpitting Boltā boon. **Triple Bomb:** not as good as Cluster, even if the damage potential is great. Triple bomb is hard to play with correctly because you need to use your special 3 times in quick succession to make the most of it
From Lili's Eris Guide.
cunning urchin
And Delta Chamber is up there for i-frames. Not up there for speedrunning since it doesn't do anything for your DPS really.
Just stand in the explosion.
proper furnace
Wait what is good with flurry and splitting?
ruby coral
But isn't the explosion a bit harder to stand in
cunning urchin
In other words, get up close and personal.
ruby coral
Yeah that's like
proper furnace
Eris is a melee aspect anyways
ruby coral
Way up in the face
ruby coral
Fair enough
worn solar
the aoe is pretty decent
proper furnace
Just hug your enemies
ruby coral
I want Titan blood
zealous spoke
Way up in the face
Or against a wall
proper furnace
They will die anyways
ruby coral
To level up eris
worn solar
also controller autoaim puts your special right on top of enemies anyways
cunning urchin
Press Special > enemy goes kaboom > get bonus damage buff.
ruby coral
Actually broke on it rn
ruby coral
also controller autoaim puts your special right on top of enemies anyways
I'm not on controller but yeah
zealous spoke
also controller autoaim puts your special right on top of enemies anyways
Yeah, that's one of the things that puts me off running Lucifer or Eris
Aiming takes pretty long
valid dagger
Make sure you have aim at cursor off
worn solar
you dont manually aim it on controller
worn solar
basically
cunning urchin
Just hit Special, and if your Special doesn't hit anything, blame Amir.
unreal tree
It wll hit something
worn solar
or just time it for when enemies sit still after an attack a little
ruby coral
I basically one shot Meg wit just zeusand jolted and Eris is only level 2
proper furnace
Eris goes oonga bunga and still manages to kill everything
worn solar
jolted is stonks in general
zealous spoke
jolted is stonks in general
How good is Cold Fusion?
It feels like it would make Jolted even more stonks, but it's not like it's that hard to apply
I wonder if it's worth it or not
worn solar
its great for really fast attacking enemies
unreal tree
its not that good, mostly great for EM3 theseus
zealous spoke
its great for really fast attacking enemies
Hrm, so something that attacks many times in a row, each attack jolts them? Like the skeletons that swipe at you?
worn solar
if you have fast jolted application and are efficient with it, itll mostly just be a small boost
cunning urchin
It's good. You don't go out of your way to get it. A lot more valuable at higher heats when you can't play quite as hyper-aggressive.
worn solar
yeah. lets you focus more on avoiding damage
unreal tree
It's good. You don't go out of your way to get it. A lot more valuable at higher...
meanwhile beo
worn solar
like... speeder strongbows...
cunning urchin
Also probably a lot of value when you're still learning and not as comfortable playing hyper-aggressive.
zealous spoke
like... speeder strongbows...
Ugh
How many times do Dad strongbows shoot in a row?
Like, nine or something?
worn solar
idk just a lot. lmao
unreal tree
Ugh
How many times do Dad strongbows shoot in a row?
Like, nine or something?
too many
zealous spoke
ruby coral
Asphodel is way too annoying for me
cunning urchin
Killing Freeze + Cold Fusion is probably among the most braindead EM4 fights you can get on not-Beowulf.
proper furnace
Speaking of speeder perk
Are enemies with fo1 speeder faster than a fo2 without speeder or it just feels like it
zealous spoke
Fr?
cunning urchin
FO0 with Speeder is already faster than FO2 without Speeder.
valid dagger
yea totally
zealous spoke
Holy crap
worn solar
FO2 + speeder is like 2.1x faster
proper furnace
FO0 with Speeder is already faster than FO2 without Speeder.
Wait what
How much bonus speed is speeder lmao
cunning urchin
Superelite Strongbows shoot 9 arrows back-to-back.
valid dagger
Wait what <:dusa:522248771409543188>
How much bonus speed is speeder lmao
atleast 3%
as far as I know
cunning urchin
50%.
proper furnace
oh
valid dagger
I was right
worn solar
when you reroll chaos and get pauper + assault and bombs + eclipse
then when you run into them the second time you reroll and get exactly pauper assualt and bombs + eclipse
cunning urchin
They/Them
polar python
Is Artemis on Poseidon sword likely to be any good? I was thinking Artemis attack and cast with Aphrodite special. Then rolling into heart rend and Hunter's Mark.
I like me some big crit chains. I would do it on Arthur, but I've not unlocked that on my Hell Mode save yet.
proper furnace
Pressure points + hunter's mark always good
Can also pick exit wound but it wont do much outside bosses
polar python
Poseidon basic attack is only 30 damage though so not sure it it's better to go for Doom on it.
proper furnace
Can always do ME
proper furnace
Tho most casts used are crush/phalanx shot
I think zeus is also used?
Idk i dont like it
cunning urchin
Pressure points + hunter's mark always good
Pressure Points doesn't really do much if you're going for a True Shot build.
proper furnace
Was mainly to "artemis on poseidon sword any good" but true
cunning urchin
It's a requirement for Fully Loaded, so there's that.
cunning urchin
Is Artemis on Poseidon sword likely to be any good? I was thinking Artemis attac...
I don't think you should worry too much about what you have on Attack if you're going for a True Shot build.
True Shot Poseidon Aspect is a lot weaker than before Mirage Shot became a Duo Boon etc. in Early Access, but it should still be perfectly fine.
polar python
Yeah I tried an attack thing on Poseidon and it was underwhelming. It's slow like Arthur but with little upside unless you're packing a big cast
Just playing with builds I don't normally touch
analog cove
Can also pick exit wound but it wont do much outside bosses
fully loaded prereq
proper furnace
Fully loaded is a myth and you know it
analog cove
You are probably right
cunning urchin
Yeah I tried an attack thing on Poseidon and it was underwhelming. It's slow lik...
I often go for Cast > Dash-Strike x2 combos until a bit later in the run when my Cast can just take care of everything.
turbid needle
Alright got curse of drowning back with quick reload, typhoons fury, and 2 extra dashes to help out
Just melting these dweebs
fading nymph
COD
turbid needle
COD
worn solar
cod
strange lark
Nah but ok
turbid needle
Lmao I like it
But i tend to have a charge in without thinking playstyle in video games anyway, for better or worse, im also not playing at high heat
But when it lines up right its very very fun
shut horizon
any recommendation for a sword run without having aspects unlocked
worn solar
any recommendation for a sword run without having aspects unlocked
doom attack, athena special and dash and hopefully get merciful end ig
shut horizon
@worn solar i got a epic ranked doom special boon or a common ranked norm attack boon which one
worn solar
want it on attack for Merciful end. you can grab another attack and go for a different build if you want
shut horizon
what build would the special go for?
lucid oar
Zeus shield
proper furnace
@shut horizon Chiron and Zeus special is not good
Zeus lightning boons have an internal cooldown that Chiron hits perfectly, you only get 1 lightning bolt x volley
analog cove
Then what is thunder flourish good on?
proven osprey
Zeus aspect
Zeus on Chiron is not that bad
It's a viable option at high heat if you get some scaling because it provides the aoe Chiron cruelly lacks
wild owl
Zeus lightning boons have an internal cooldown that Chiron hits perfectly, you o...
Oh thatās basically cheating you out of a bolt
proper furnace
More than 1 bolt
cunning urchin
It is that bad.
wild owl
More than 1 bolt <:dusa:522248771409543188>
7 bolts for max I think
proper furnace
7 bolts for max I think
You only get 1 bolt even at max
wild owl
You only get 1 bolt even at max
I meant cheated out of 7 bolts for max
pastel bobcat
On the note of Zeus, does anyone have any hints for his builds. I managed to get a fair few of his boons (Including splitting, double strikes and call) on fists and rail before but I just can't get it to work for me as well as a Dio build.
Trying to learn some new builds so I can get some variety in. This is my first hearing that the bolts have a cooldown, is anything else of note? Do all of his attacks and abilities count as bolts or are some just flat damage buffs? Is there somewhere I can generally read up on this?
cunning urchin
Main thing you're looking for if you're starting with his Attack or Special is Static Discharge, and then you put a couple poms on that.
Zeus' Aid, you're mainly looking for Smoldering Air. But Static Discharge, Double Strike, etc. is obviously fine.
Lightning Strike poms are pretty whatever although the first two poms can be nice especially if it's early in run when you don't have Static Discharge yet. Thunder Flourish poms are always pretty good.
pastel bobcat
Thanks
proud dust
You guys wanna see an insane build I got on accident?
Oh wait canāt send things here lmao
Well I got zeusā legendary and aresā legendary on the same run
My DPS is cracked this run
lost charm
guys, seeking fire hammer with the seeking target boon from artemis is a good choice?
proper furnace
i never noticed the homing from seeking fire to be honest lol
lost charm
i got that hammer for the first time and just LOVED it
proper furnace
also a 10% dmg increase to your 10 dmg pellets is
strange lark
Seeking fire sucks
tawny grove
guess I'll try the artemis aphro duo boons to see if it's good
heart rend is pretty great most of the time
lost charm
gods I always like the wrong ones
tawny grove
Seeking fire sucks
but consider: its fun
proper furnace
i never noticed differences between seeking fire and not
strange lark
Imo it's not fun lmao
lost charm
well, part of my current obsession wiht it it's bc my aiming it's terrible
like, REALLY terrible lol, probably the main reason I don't play with the bow
proper furnace
idk auto aim is really good
proper furnace
wait are you on keyboard or controller?
proper furnace
turn off aim at cursor
boreal lodge
Hi guys, I just started playing again after quitting last year and don't remember what was good or bad, what mirror upgrades do you guys recommend I max out first?
proper furnace
death defiances, 2nd dash, dark foresight
lost charm
gods, can't belive I've spend 192 RUNS with aiming with the cursor
proper furnace
for what is worth i think is only recommended to turn off aim at cursor on rail
young lagoon
Whenever I see the hammer I get so happy
lost charm
not on the bow?
zealous spoke
Hi guys, I just started playing again after quitting last year and don't remembe...
Chthonic Vitality too
lost charm
Whenever I see the hammer I get so happy
omg me too!!
zealous spoke
And probably Infernal Soul
boreal lodge
I got like 2.2k darkness in total
if i max out death defiences i am left with very less
lost charm
I got like 2.2k darkness in total
k, um... spend it on death defiance first
young lagoon
I play on xbox with controller and I use the gauntlets secret aspect should I change wepon or keep this one?
valid dagger
young lagoon
gilga fists are fine for casual play
I'm trying to get a under 20min run tho š
boreal lodge
it'll help you A LOT during the runs
Alright I maxed it and got greater reflex, and am left with 766 darkness
what is something else i should aim for
lost charm
keep it
lost charm
sub 20 with gilga should be ez
taking notes on that
boreal lodge
I would send a picture with my darkness setup but i dont have image perms 
zealous spoke
what is something else i should aim for
Hrm, maybe some general-purpose thing like Olympian Favor or Privileged Status
proper furnace
I would send a picture with my darkness setup but i dont have image perms <:pepe...
send the link to another discord server or imgur and copy the link
proper furnace
Hrm, maybe some general-purpose thing like Olympian Favor or Privileged Status
olympian favor no
young lagoon
sub 20 with gilga should be ez
My best time time in general is 22min I have 60 runs total and 6 "wins"
proper furnace
dark foresight much better
zealous spoke
I guess
Isn't a potential 20% (does Hermes count?) universal damage bonus good, though?
proper furnace
My best time time in general is 22min I have 60 runs total and 6 "wins"
you can do splash dash only or merciful end
zealous spoke
Or am I being dumb and it's not universal
lost charm
olympian is good if you're aiming for good boons, I guess
strange lark
olympian favor is bad
proper furnace
Isn't a potential 20% (does Hermes count?) universal damage bonus good, though?
dark foresight is +20% to god laurel rooms
valid dagger
Isn't a potential 20% (does Hermes count?) universal damage bonus good, though?
That's not Olympian favor
young lagoon
I'm going to switch to Arthur's sword my brother got a 20 min run with it
zealous spoke
Isn't that it?
valid dagger
And hermes does count
valid dagger
Family Favorite is pretty good
boreal lodge
Hrm, maybe some general-purpose thing like Olympian Favor or Privileged Status
I spent all the rest on dark foresight since I technically will earn more darkness that way
valid dagger
You use it all the time unless your builds revolves around 2 curses
boreal lodge
I am mainly doing runs to get as much darkness as possible
lost charm
great goals!
boreal lodge
is there a way that I can farm it even faster, rather than judt using the %20 bonus weapon and playing until the first boss
valid dagger
You can speedrun it
proper furnace
poseidon and Chaos give boosts to darkness
zealous spoke
The Darkness rewards for later bosses are pretty sizeable
proper furnace
Chaos being the biggest boost
and yeah dont use much heat to get darkness instead of bounties
zealous spoke
Not sure if doing a full run is always faster, but you can get a whole ton of gemstones if you beat all the bosses
boreal lodge
you mean the god through the gate
lost charm
if I'm not mistaken, completing all late bosses, including the final one, gives you 1k darkness?
zealous spoke
You could also technically pick Sisyphus ig
lost charm
don't know if I'm correct
boreal lodge
if I'm not mistaken, completing all late bosses, including the final one, gives...
Ive never beaten the final boss
young lagoon
I'm going to try win with full heat
boreal lodge
I faced him the first time today
lost charm
oh, you will
boreal lodge
With 3 death defiences and 200 hp
proper furnace
I'm going to try win with full heat
strange lark
I'm going to try win with full heat
good luck
young lagoon
<:bouldy:523329116934635534>
I can hardly win with 5 heat
zealous spoke
if I'm not mistaken, completing all late bosses, including the final one, gives...
50 + 100 + 150 + 200 iirc
That would be 500 if Hades actually gives 200
boreal lodge
ive never killed hades so 
zealous spoke
Never actually gotten that reward because I usually change my heat after I beat him
lost charm
50 + 100 + 150 + 200 iirc
That would be 500 if Hades actually gives 200
that's why I hate math lol
boreal lodge
What the hell is heat
zealous spoke
^
young lagoon
What the hell is heat
Temperature
zealous spoke
Why do I always start with this stupid fishing thing š
Because you paid for it?
And you can skip them if you really want to
But unless you're trying to speedrun there's no real reason to
proper furnace
Why do I always start with this stupid fishing thing š
if you mean huge catch from poseidon is a scripted event
zealous spoke
Just a bit of your time for gemstones, nectar, sometimes keys, best case scenario has ambrosia and diamonds
young lagoon
Everytime I enter I get posiden and his fishing thing I don't even like posiden š
proper furnace
are you giving up in the menu?
young lagoon
No
zealous spoke
Take it and he'll go away
zealous spoke
?
proper furnace
you dont give up at any moment on those runs?
zealous spoke
Either you're getting really lucky or something weird's happening
zealous spoke
And Legendaries have requirements anyway, so you can't just sporadically get it
zealous spoke
No
It shouldn't stay for more than one run, he just gives it to you to introduce you to fishing
proper furnace
yeah poseidon huge catch being the first boon is a one time only thing
zealous spoke
Did you fish at all during these runs?
Is it possible that that's one of the requirements to get rid of it?
proper furnace
pretty sure i died that run without getting to fish
proper furnace
or sell it on tart/aspho mid biome for gold stonks
young lagoon
It is big stonks I like it I just miss getting lucky and starting with hammer
I live for the hammers š”
zealous spoke
There are two reasons I'm sad you don't get to go to Greece after Persephone comes back
a) The end looks pretty
b) Two less fishing spots for Diamonds
proper furnace
the game really wants you to pick hammers/hermes so not getting it at the start is fine
with dark foresight is rare it doesnt appear in tart
young lagoon
The hammers carry
proper furnace
fist hammers
valid dagger
repulse shot is amazing
young lagoon
fist hammers
Spear hammers 100% better
proper furnace
flurry slash
zealous spoke
Some are better than others
Like, you might get a Minotaur Rush Sudden Rush combo that you can build around to shred bosses, or you might get Empowering Flight on Aspect of Zeus and it does nothing
proper furnace
repulse shot is amazing
repulse + triple shot my beloved
young lagoon
All hammers for spear is good
young lagoon
yey I got a hammer
zealous spoke
Tbh the most sadge combo has to be Hazard Bomb on an Eris build
Just imagine getting that from the anvil at Styx
proper furnace
yeah
young lagoon
Cluster bomb is bad :((((
proper furnace
if you also get delta chamber no need to stop holding attack
proper furnace
Cluster bomb is bad :((((
cluster is great
zealous spoke
Cluster bomb is bad :((((
That the one that shoots five bombs?
proper furnace
and has a busted hammer combo lol
young lagoon
cluster is great
30% less damage is bad
proper furnace
Or rockets?
cluster rockets is the best hammer combo you can get on rail
execpt luci cause obvious reasons
rocket bomb deletes the -30% from cluster
zealous spoke
Does Cluster exist for Lucifer?
young lagoon
Hades is best god. Doom damage is op
zealous spoke
Hades is best god. Doom damage is op
Ares, you mean?
proper furnace
Hades is best god. Doom damage is op
Ares
young lagoon
Tbh this aspect is hard to use on controller
I play on controller its really good
young lagoon
Ares <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Shhh
proper furnace
Doom is never my cup of tea
strange lark
Cluster bomb is bad :((((
huh
proper furnace
Like sure merciful end good but
zealous spoke
I play on controller its really good
Not saying it's not, but I'd prefer to be able to aim properly instead of having to sit still for 8 years to aim at the right spot
It's kinda weird
proper furnace
Doom is bad vibes
young lagoon
Not saying it's not, but I'd prefer to be able to aim properly instead of having...
Doesn't it auto aim most of the time tho
zealous spoke
Doesn't it auto aim most of the time tho
Bomb's really slow so you'd be better off aiming ahead of the enemy
And with Lucifer it's probably better to be able to accurately place Hellfires in specific positions where they can blow each other up or do weird stuff like that
proper furnace
In words of Nyaanyaa "just hit special and it will hit something most of the time"
You can also grab a dash boon to blow the special
young lagoon
Gun hits most of the time anyway
zealous spoke
Like sure merciful end good but <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
ME is amazing, but I do feel like it has other good combos
With weapons where you're not going to be hitting a move so often, like idk, chiron bow, you could put it on attack with Impending Doom and have additional 100-damage hits
I don't think it's that bad
Probably cheap Jolted in a good few ways, but not unusable
proper furnace
Im not saying is bad, just that i dont like it
zealous spoke
Ye
zealous spoke
Oh, hey, I tried to set up a Chiron build with Doom on the special and Dire Misfortune so that the several arrows could build up the damage of each Doom strike
That any good?
I remember the build wasn't great and I didn't get to finish the run
fading nymph
It functions
proper furnace
I had fun with it
zealous spoke
Not sure if it works
proper furnace
But yeah not great
fading nymph
Thereās just better things you can do
zealous spoke
Especially since I heard somewhere around here that Zeus special isn't actually great on Chiron because it can't activate on every arrow
Just wanna be sure
valid dagger
No pun intended
zealous spoke
valid dagger
Especially since I heard somewhere around here that Zeus special isn't actually ...
Yea because of internal cooldowns
So you get like 1 lightning bolt
young lagoon
I like the people of this game :)
fading nymph
Yeah Zeus Chiron is kinda
strange lark
you get 2 bolts
fading nymph
Huge
proper furnace
Isnt 1 normally and 2 with weird angles?
strange lark
thats why you go poseidon special and sea storm, no internal cooldown
proper furnace
Icd still exists
fading nymph
Sea storm is poggies
valid dagger
Yea Sea storm is just better
fading nymph
Bc it also powers your splash dash if you have it
zealous spoke
Who doesn't love Tidal Dash?
valid dagger
The +% on the special is also very nice imo especially if you have conc or relentless
fading nymph
Conc
proper furnace
I never actually played that
I never did Chiron zeus but i tried to shotgun enemies with normal bow special + thunder flourish
Which it was probably worse
valid dagger
Lol
zealous spoke
Is there any real reason to use Special on any non-chiron bow?
proper furnace
Also had a fresh file run that was that again lmao
fading nymph
You canāt get charged Chiron I thought
zealous spoke
Other than maybe really large enemies from super close up
fading nymph
On Rama you do
zealous spoke
On Rama you do
Oh, yeah, I forgot
valid dagger
You can use it to destroy projectiles
zealous spoke
But the more normal aspects?
fading nymph
I think fresh file to credits speedruns sometimes do a charged volley build?
valid dagger
Yea on Zag bow for example you can go heartbreak strike + deadly flourish and get heartrend
Which leaves your dash open to Artemis aswell and also unlocks Hunterās Mark
I like this a lot more than the usual Deadly strike + passion dash
cunning urchin
Charged Volley is a decent build if you get it first hammer and just double down on it.
cunning urchin
Is there any real reason to use Special on any non-chiron bow?
Sometimes you follow up a point-blank Dash-Strike with a Volley to finish off an enemy. Usually just early in Tartarus.
sterile fiber
Divine Flourish basically makes a wall in front of you, good for bullet spammers, Ares special can spread doom around, Thunder Flourish is situational for taking off DC hearts in mass numbskulls
boreal lodge
on hermes im with the options greater evasion, swift strike and hyper sprint
all are rare
they are all very good but i cant decide which one i should use
cunning urchin
Hyper Sprint.
Unless you're doing a Cast build, it's virtually always Rare+ Greatest Reflex > Hyper Sprint > Common Greatest Reflex > anything else.
And if you already have Hyper Sprint, then Rush Delivery > anything else.
boreal lodge
Alright thank you
proper furnace
@boreal lodge rush delivery is an hermes boon
gives bonus dmg based on movement speed
boreal lodge
<@!852589056108789770> rush delivery is an hermes boon
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