those guides are very interesting, is their a place when i can find them all? I put them in favourit when i see one of you sharing links but their are probably a lot i didnt see ^^
#h1-builds-and-combat
zenith hinge
zenith hinge
hm link not working for me?
valid dagger
There
zenith hinge
perfect ! thanks a lot ! 🙂
shell sleet
does no money chaos curse also apply to selling wells?
valid dagger
yes
tight nacelle
Hey all! After 25 hours or so of playing, i finally found aspect of chiron as the weapon to main until the story ending. What’s an optimized build for this?
I had weak on attack, hangover on special, athena dash and just randoms on the rest. For hammer, I had piercing volley and perfect shot.
valid dagger
That's a solid build
For hammers you're looking for Relentless Volley and Concentrated Volley, those are your ideal hammers, with Weak and Hangover you can look for Low Tolerance (+ 3 stacks to Hangover)
polar python
That's a good build. Artemis special means you are doing crits all the time which plays well with heart rend and Hunter's Mark
umbral jolt
Hows hera with art/athena cast? Seems interesting to try but there are probably much better options
turbid needle
artemis cast is a very bad option, athena is ok
artemis cast just has rly low dmg ur prob off better with...anything else
umbral jolt
Yea guessed so, also the only benefit will probably only be the auto aim which probably doesn't mean much 🤔
turbid needle
yeah youre already aiming
esp with hera
aphro is the best cast for hera because its drawback is the range which you offset
umbral jolt
Yea so far i did hera zeus/aphro/dio/Poseidon
wild jasper
You got one shot?
What was your health at?
wild jasper
So I've heard people say that you should only ever user Zeus when using Lucifer gun. Is that true?
turbid needle
anyone have any tips on how to beat charon with stygius
dont steal his woolongs in tartarus, and probably not asphodel either
torpid moat
dont steal his woolongs in tartarus, and probably not asphodel either
ok thx
proper furnace
If you play hestia its probably fine to steal in tart
terse mist
So I've heard people say that you should only ever user Zeus when using Lucifer ...
you can do whatever you want, personally i like posideon, ares, and dio on lucifer rail as well as zeus
proper furnace
@cinder gate quick reload common with max lvl Hera is 2.5 secs to cast dislodging
And epic qr is 1.7 lol
And 5 seconds without qr isnt that bad on bosses
cinder gate
true
proper furnace
And yeah as mentioned
Dislodge time on enemies is 0 if they just die 
iron rover
wahts better for a merciful end build rn im in styx
calculated risk, stubborn roots, or brilliant riposte
i have dio call and demeter cast
basically nothing is pommed
i have no dds left
worn solar
calc risk is meh and brilliant riposte is mostly just for athena legendary. stubborn roots usually is useless but you have no dd's so if you stall it makes sense
iron rover
now that i have ME waht should i prioritize
valid dagger
Athena's Dash and Impending Doom
worn solar
and like poms
valid dagger
poms nice ye
iron rover
true ig lol
valid dagger
Other significant form of scaling for ME builds is Hermes
Through Hyper Delivery or + Dashes
That's pretty much it aside from DR if your god pool allows you to shoot for it
And a good call maybe
worn solar
no
iron rover
curse of nausea
worn solar
well it does what it says
valid dagger
If you have a good way to apply multiple hangover stacks then sure it's something
bright rivet
Hey, I mostly played the game in the beta and finally beated it again after release in Hell Mode
I relied on my favorite wombo combo of fists + Dionysius + Aphrodite + the skill that makes you do extra damage when you put two status conditions on a foe
but I'm looking to spice it up
any fun stuff you guys would suggest to try?
worn solar
https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide this is a good source
zenith hinge
merciful end builds works very well, on a lot of aspects
the "lots of zeus" are fun too, but is better on weapons that have a fast attack speed
alpine warren
@unreal tree how'd you manage that, I tried trippy flare with beowulf and I had to wait for the casts to be picked up again, resulting in a long run
alpine warren
Is it worth to get Artemis +2 cast
unreal tree
it was 3500 damage for 3 casts
alpine warren
Damn
proper furnace
Yes but it doesnt exist on cast builds
unreal tree
fully loaded is sooo hard to get
and you want mirage shot more
and poms too since they give double value on trippy flare
so no way to get more arti really
proper furnace
Trippy flare double pom value is fun
tawny grove
is ice wine on hera any good
worn solar
it makes your casts come out slower so nope
tawny grove
alr
errant acorn
I like Ice Wine on Achilles.
edgy jungle
Im new to cast build, which are good boons for cast build?
fading nymph
What aspect
edgy jungle
What aspect
Poseidon Stygius or Achilles Varatha
fading nymph
on pos probably just go phalanx or crush
^this for Achilles
on Achilles you just start splash dash and get your cast from a god you find
edgy jungle
Thanks
valid dagger
Crystal Beam is solid but not for Speedrunning
fading nymph
yeah worth noting that was made for speed
just sent that because its by the best Achilles player
polar python
I'm a bit surprised Trippy Shot is that high if ranking for speed. I always felt it took a long time to throw.
worn solar
mostly due to ice wine
polar python
Ah yes, that is a game changer
sterile fiber
true shot not the worst 
shell sleet
true shot is still a lot better than crush shot on achilles imo
and meme beam is just why would you use this when you could have gone blades
cunning urchin
I think Crystal Beam start is stronger than Slicing Shot start.
polar python
Does Battle Rage make all 3 of the next hits buffed when using serrated edge?
cunning urchin
But if you're starting Tidal Dash > Deadly Strike, then Slicing Shot is better.
cunning urchin
Does Battle Rage make all 3 of the next hits buffed when using serrated edge?
Good question. I don't think so since they don't hit at the same time, but I haven't bothered to verify it.
polar python
I.e. is serrated edge's effect counted as a single hit?
cunning urchin
Definitely don't count as a single hit. You can whiff parts of it. But the buff still might apply for all three hits, that's plausible.
polar python
Ahh okay. I might try and test it next time I get it.
cunning urchin
👍🏽
shell sleet
i know that serrated edge dash attack uses only 1 achilles buff charge
but i dont know about battle rage
errant acorn
I'm discovering an issue with my Demeter fist build, which is that going after four specific gods opens me up for a truckload of duos that aren't Merciful End.
Doing things the way I have done, with Ares/Athena/Aphrodite/Zeus, I could get Merciful End, but I could also get Curse of Longing, Vengeful Mood, Parting Shot, and Smoldering Air.
wild jasper
Question about the Eris rail damage buff
Is there anything you can do that doesn't get buffed or is it actually +75% for all because that's pretty wild 
cunning urchin
I'm discovering an issue with my Demeter fist build, which is that going after f...
Going for four specific gods has a lot of consistency issues. For Merciful End, you generally want to avoid unlocking other Duo Boons until you get Merciful End. That leaves Electric Shot, Tidal Dash, Hunter Dash, and Trippy Shot as potential core boons from other gods until you have ME. (And Hunter Dash falls out if you have Sclicing Shot.)
If you have Electric Shot, you'll want to avoid revenge boons.
errant acorn
I was about to ask why not Flood Shot but I remember why not Flood Shot.
cunning urchin
For Malphon, that usually means you'll only pick up Trippy Shot or Electric Shot as core boons from other gods until you have ME.
errant acorn
What if I end up not having a choice?
cunning urchin
Reroll and if that doesn't work, purge at the next opportunity.
errant acorn
Far out.
cunning urchin
True Shot can be fine since it only unlocks Deadly Reversal and nothing with Lord Ares.
And Deadly Reversal + Merciful End is ideal anyway.
But you'd try to avoid it anyway.
errant acorn
Gotcha.
I wish I could have some Demeter boons but alas.
I guess if I happen across her, Ravenous Will is good.
Ravenous Will, Rare Crop, Nourished Soul, etc.
cunning urchin
Yup.
cunning urchin
Aphrodite's Aid unlocks Parting Shot but not Curse of Longing.
Lady Demeter's core boons will unlock Stubborn Roots but not Freezing Vortex.
So her Call or Cast, I guess, would be some cope options if you can't avoid it.
But something that's not core and can't be pommed would be ideal.
Means more poms on your Doom and on Impending Doom.
errant acorn
Ravenous Will, then.
I mean, that's one of those that's almost never a bad idea.
Low key one of the best boons in the game in my opinion.
cunning urchin
Ehh... depends on your criteria. It works well in any build, I suppose.
errant acorn
Maybe I'm just really obsessed with Lady Demeter as a character.
cunning urchin
m definitely never unhappy to see it.
errant acorn
I could talk about it for hours but I won't. This is neither the time nor the place. I'm going to take this information and insight and try again for that ever-elusive sub-ten-minute run.
cunning urchin
Oh right, Zeus' Aid is also fine.
Although you'd usually skip his boons and take the Sigil of the Dad later. But if it can't be avoided, Zeus' Aid is a decent pick.
errant acorn
How does Sigil of the Dead work exactly?
cunning urchin
Lesser Call makes you invisible and gives you +100% movement speed for 2 seconds or until you strike, and then you get +100% damage for 1.5 seconds. Greater Call gives you invisibility, +100% movement speed, and +100% damage for 5 seconds.
dense basin
So basically it's strong. And also dispells any negative effect you have. Like stun or poison
sterile fiber
Does the 100% damage boost start from when you strike, or when you activate the call?
cunning urchin
Lesser Call, when you strike. Greater Call, immediately on activation.
errant acorn
Lesser Call makes you invisible and gives you +100% movement speed for 2 seconds...
Oh. So that's what the deal is with that.
dull vigil
can any build be rng manipulated? Like I want a farming build with the extra darkness chaos + poseidon stuff, fish spawn at chaos etc. can that be done?
valid dagger
It can be done but it's too much effort
polar python
Not much more than just using the keepsakes and hoping. If Chaos is the 2nd chamber you can restart to get a different boon choice. If they're in the first chamber I think the boons are fixed.
dull vigil
well i kinda wanna avoid this whole restarting thing, thats why I wanna rng manipulaze it
worn solar
well routing runs kinda requires a lot of restarting
dull vigil
isnt it a mod or sth? i saw a guide where they explained that you just use summon, open up codex etc
to manipulate the next chamber
and there is a spreadsheet for it
worn solar
it requires pre knowledge of the run
fallen spoke
I wanna do a very fast time on demeter fist what is the best build for it
cunning urchin
Merciful End.
dull vigil
if im going for a poseidon/zeus build, and get an athena boon forced on me
do I take athena dash, poseidon cast, or poseidon dash, athena cast?
valid dagger
What kind of build are you doing
dull vigil
(achilles spear, -poseidon attack, preferably aphro special for smoldering air, zeus call is my usual core build)
valid dagger
Like what aspect
dull vigil
and sea storm ofc
valid dagger
Why Poseidon attack
dull vigil
well why not
its about the same extra dmg as the zeus attack
or more if you have the cast + backstab damage bonus
valid dagger
It has knockback and without Sea Storm your damage is gonna be underwhelming
dull vigil
It has knockback and without Sea Storm your damage is gonna be underwhelming
i get sea storm quite early on in most of the runs
dull vigil
Parting shot onyl buffs cast
tested it on skelly as well, it does buff the attack
proper furnace
Cast + backstab bonus sounds like parting shot duo boon lol
dull vigil
and well I did a zeus attack run a few times I felt much slower compared to this
valid dagger
i get sea storm quite early on in most of the runs
With Sea Storm your damage becomes just ok because you keep knocking stuff away from you
dull vigil
Cast + backstab bonus sounds like parting shot duo boon lol
I meant the mirror buffs
proper furnace
If you dont wanna do zeus attack do artemis instead
dull vigil
With Sea Storm your damage becomes just ok because you keep knocking stuff away ...
wait, so does it knock enemies out of the lighting? I thought the lighting follows them
valid dagger
And shoot for hunting blades or crystal clarity to help with bossing
It doesn’t knock them out of the lightning but you have to follow them to get a chance to hit them again
dull vigil
If you dont wanna do zeus attack do artemis instead
well, I dont enjoy playing those builds, my fav is the zeus/poseidon sea storm build, which I go on for every weapon thats not slow like a slug
and dependign on the base damage I take zeus or pos on attack
valid dagger
Meanwhile with another attack they can just stay right there… like why
dull vigil
never had an issue with following, specially with the spear
well anyways, I like this build, It gives me ez clears from 0-20 heat, just wanted to know if poseidon cast/athena dash or athena cast/poseidon dash would be better?
cunning urchin
Divine Dash is fine. Tidal Dash is fine. Phalanx Shot is fine. Don't see the point in picking up Flood Shot.
cunning urchin
You're not getting close while spamming Casts, and it knocks them further away from you. Damage isn't good, either.
polar python
I had a nice Achilles Poseidon run earlier, low heat. Poseidon attack, epic Razor Shoals, Serated Edge, Artemis Special, Hunter's Mark and Hunting Blades to round it off.
Oh and Breaking Waves.
tawny grove
whats a good high heat rama build
worn solar
pretty much start aphro/arty attack and grab a flat damage special
just just get twin/triple shot + point blank or perfect
worn solar
dio/zeus/ares
worn solar
pretty much just avoid cursed stuff like ri, ap, cp
tawny grove
what about damage control
worn solar
your special deals with that
tranquil lion
okay so the fists are the only weapon left for me that doesn't have a sub 15m clear time
do I go splash dash seastorm gilgamesh or something for an ez PB?
valid dagger
ME Demeter fists will have a much easier time
tranquil lion
aight cool I'll work on that tomorrow
tawny grove
whats a good non Poseidon/Zeus eris build because i have attempted 32 heat a lot and it has not worked once
sterile fiber
Drunken Strike
oblique sierra
Pump them full of wine
Zeus attack with a super high special % is kinda the best tho
Doesn't need to be Poseidon
balmy stratus
Does rush kick work with the aspect of gilgamesh?
cunning urchin
Yeah.
cunning urchin
You'll need to hit them with a Dash-Special still.
cunning urchin
It works, but its teleport removes all status effects.
Quite annoying for Doom builds.
errant acorn
Yeah, the Sneak is a huge pain.
What I usually do with Aspect of Demeter is dodge its attacks until it gets close and does its little stab, then I summon Meg and dash combo it to death.
cunning urchin
You can just summon Meg on the first teleport it does to strip it of its armor, then just finish it off.
errant acorn
Do I summon when it first disappears?
errant acorn
Neat.
cunning urchin
I don't really think about the timing. You'll get it down pretty quickly.
lucid oar
I anticipate when it’s about to appear again and summon then
errant acorn
That's some time saved whenever I encounter the Sneak next.
I usually prefer to fight the Doomstone.
cunning urchin
I like killing those two with Antos because you don't need to do anything at all.
lucid oar
I’ve literally never used antos in my life
cunning urchin
Vs. Doomstone, you can just summon Antos immediately and dash to the exit.
And for the Wretched Sneak, you just wait for the first teleport, and then the first attack will hit on the first teleport and the second will hit on the second teleport.
unreal tree
I’ve literally never used antos in my life
Companion Astaos is saddened
grand brook
what's antos good for over battie
turbid needle
You can use it for the furies fight
Also does more single target damage
If both hits land
cunning urchin
Also the fact that it's two hits means you can strip off armor and then get another 1.5k hit.
If the first hit doesn't completely remove the armor, the delay before the second hit gives you enough time to do that yourself.
I think Antos can be a great choice for some players who are just getting into high heat because they end up throwing a lot of runs to the Furies when their build isn't very strong yet.
grand brook
I think Antos can be a great choice for some players who are just getting into h...
i actually put some ambrosia into antos recently, so I think I'll start using the companion once I upgrade it a bit more
cunning urchin
Or maybe they made too many mistakes in Tartarus and go into the Furies fight with very low HP. Like, Stubborn Defiance can only heal you up to 30%, and the only way to get above that again is (normally) with Centaur Hearts... so you'd want to stay well above that threshold in Tartarus (and actually through the Furies fight and into Elysium, ideally).
But I think high heat Tartarus is pretty difficult to learn.
tranquil lion
antos is like a sidegrade to battie
probably the strongest companion in tartarus cuz it can kill 2 of the minibosses thru their shield and can be used against furies
while still breaking the shield of the twin bombers without the need to aim
still functional against most minibosses going into asphodel and elysium with the notable exception of it being a straight downgrade compared to battie when used in the witch's circle
antos does become a bit less useful compared to battie when you start factoring in middle management tho cuz some of the minibosses will add extra mobs in the miniboss fights
which means theres a higher chance of antos targetting one of the enemies you didn't actually want
tawny grove
antos sounds fun against asterius and other guy, even if they wouldn’t do much damage
tranquil lion
also if you decide not to take maxed lasting consequences for your high heat run, bouldy hp sustain is always nice too
torpid moat
anyone have any recomandations for the spear I should buy
lone jetty
If you wanna try cast builds, Achilles. Otherwise, Hades or Guan-Yu
torpid moat
If you wanna try cast builds, Achilles. Otherwise, Hades or Guan-Yu
ok thx, Imma buy Hades
cunning urchin
Achilles is also best for Attack builds tbh.
strange lark
achilles special builds are pretty cool
torpid moat
what is hades good for?
cunning urchin
Good question.
tawny grove
rubbing it in dads face that you beat him with his own spear
lone jetty
Really really ridiculously big spins
worn solar
being really hammer dependent
torpid moat
ok
strange lark
being really hammer dependent <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
learn to play without those hammers smh
cunning urchin
I think Hades is the second best spear just in terms of ease to play.
worn solar
aka just do ME moment
tawny grove
i love achillies spear
woosh woosh
valid dagger
aka just do ME moment <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
nah sounds like something tryhards would do
cunning urchin
Zag Spear relies on getting Flurry Jab or Exploding Launcher. Otherwise it's just really bad.
worn solar
though theres only three spears and whatever zag aspect is supposed to
cunning urchin
Hades can always just default to crits and get things going that way.
tawny grove
i can’t believe i thought zag spear was good once
cunning urchin
though theres only three spears and whatever zag aspect is supposed to <:bouldy:...
Zag Spear exists for Exploding Launcher + Charged Skewer like how Zag Rail exists for Spread Fire.
cunning urchin
i can’t believe i thought zag spear was good once
It was worse once.
lucid oar
Zag spear is flurry jab or cry in a corner
And still have no boss damage unless you get heroic RD Zeus call
cunning urchin
Zag Spear with Flurry Jab is just Lv.0 Achilles.
Exploding Launcher at least gives it an identity.
strange lark
zag spear is the worst spear but it has my spear heat pb
lone jetty
Ish. Hades can do good work with Exploding Launcher
tawny grove
oh btw does sea storm trigger Zeus legend
lucid oar
My spear heat pb is 40
lucid oar
oh btw does sea storm trigger Zeus legend
Yeah
strange lark
My spear heat pb is 40 <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
why is it so low
lucid oar
BecUse skill issue
unreal tree
zag spear is the worst spear but it has my spear heat pb <:thanthink:66924600414...
based
strange lark
mine is 42
valid dagger
Exploding Launcher at least gives it an identity.
yea then it becomes lv0 hades spear
unreal tree
zag spear exploding+flurry was my first spear 50
lucid oar
BRB bouta beat 43 heat spear
worn solar
unreal tree
charge your skewer
cunning urchin
yea then it becomes lv0 hades spear
No, it's faster with better range.
And less damage.
worn solar
zoos 
unreal tree
1:03 is funny
worn solar
imagine patty showing up
lucid oar
What’s the zag spear meta
I’m doing tempest flourish idc
Love me a good razor shoals
worn solar
i may or may not do zoos special dc2 strats
cunning urchin
Zag Spear meta is wondering why you're using it over Achilles.
lucid oar
Because aotw
You use zag spear 1/23 of the time
Because there are 23 aspects in the game
(24 if you count aspect of charged shot)
valid dagger
I’m doing tempest flourish idc
I think it's actually not that bad
unreal tree
(24 if you count aspect of charged shot)
23
chaos shield isnt real
it cant hurt me
lucid oar
True
cunning urchin
I think the damage is already done.
strange lark
a couple days ago i tried chaos 45, started zeus special and after 5 minutes i was like "nah"
worn solar
do chaos 60 already
torpid moat
what boons should i use for hades aspect
worn solar
either arty/aphro heartrend stuff or do merciful end
unreal tree
hmm yes ME at 60
lucid oar
Hehehehehe
cunning urchin
a couple days ago i tried chaos 45, started zeus special and after 5 minutes i w...
Were you in chamber 5 yet?
worn solar
hades spear
unreal tree
I got 59 and I am absolutely not pushing that further lol
dad fight takes like 45 seconds more over zag shield
if you get aphrodite attack start and dont find cshot early tart is miserable
worn solar
a couple days ago i tried chaos 45, started zeus special and after 5 minutes i w...
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/909262776923480104/Hades_11_13_2021_5_38_00_PM.png just do authority legacy strats
strange lark
Were you in chamber 5 yet?
idk probably not
worn solar
unreal tree
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/909262776923480104/H...
show the crossed out splitting bolts
nerd
worn solar
authority is pretty stonks. you can roll a double tart exit twice and have a 1 in 8 chance to replace that pom with a zoos boon thatll have jolted crossed out
valid dagger
lmao
torpid moat
is athena good for hades aspect built if I try for ME
lucid oar
Yeah
worn solar
well you need her for ME
strange lark
yeah thats how you proc ME
cunning urchin
what boons should i use for hades aspect
There are plenty of decent builds you can do with it. Since the sweep already takes care of a decent chunk of the damage.
Deadly Strike (or Deadly Flourish if you get an early Exploding Launcher) is a natural choice since crits benefit greatly from any bonus damage (like from your sweep debuff). In that case, you'd also likely want Hunter Dash and try to get Serrated Point. And any crit build always wants Hunter's Mark with a couple poms on it. Heart Rend is also a natural choice for crit builds. So you could have a combo of Heartbreak Strike + Deadly Flourish or vice versa, for example.
Curse of Agony + Divine Flourish (mainly just to unlock Merciful End) + Divine Dash and then Merciful End is also plenty strong. You'd want a bunch of poms on your Attack and look for Impending Doom as well once you already Merciful End.
Tidal Dash start is very strong on any spear imo. From there you can go into pretty much any decent Attack you run into and it becomes more a matter of knowing how to get the most out of each Attack boon. And you'd also want a bunch of poms on your Dash + some tier 2 boons from Poseidon like Breaking Wave, Razor Shoals...
torpid moat
There are plenty of decent builds you can do with it. Since the sweep already ta...
thx
turbid needle
whats the consensus on the zeus lightning buff boons?
like high voltage vs double strike
static discharge (jolted) seems to gain a lot from poms
fading nymph
pomming jolted very good
high voltage sucks all it does is open splitting bolt (which is very good if you get it) but double strike does the same thing
and double strike also good
turbid needle
is jolted even that useful? i feel like most enemies die before they get a chance to attack
proper furnace
Rail gets the most value of it cause no stun
On others enemies are still gonna be able to attack every once in a while/bosses dont get stunned
Also forced overtime helps jolted quite a bit
fading nymph
jolted very good
turbid needle
thanks, i think i understand zeus now
always felt a little weak but max aspect chiron bow shreds
proper furnace
Dont tell me you are doing zeus special chiron
turbid needle
and all his boons kinda read like they could be functionally identical lel
check victory boasting channel
fading nymph
zeus chiron kinda
proper furnace
And chiron hits it perfectly so you only get like 1-2 bolts
turbid needle
ooo interesting
i forgot about the cd
it was only 32 heat and i had tidal dash so
good guy poseidon always showing me the pacifist way
throw down your arms
guan yu + chaos -max life = 4hp? really?
nvm its 27 im dumb
proper furnace
You can get to 1 hp lol
turbid needle
#goals
fading nymph
Doesn't it cap at 2 max?
lone jetty
Zeus special on Chiron is pretty good imo #h1-victory-boasting message
worn solar
translation: epic chaos flourish is pretty good
tawny grove
what are the best overall hermes boons
worn solar
greatest reflex and hypersprint into rush delivery usually
untold wagon
chthonic vitality or darkness regeneration?
grand brook
Chthonic vitality
tawny grove
tips on em4, out of curiosity
lone jetty
NephiOH wrote a great guide for EM4 https://docs.google.com/document/d/126vagPhjSWQMR1x8O9tJT3neweSTdUUfw2pNVjqX7lU/edit
Always make sure you can see him so you don’t get a surprise spear in the face
tawny grove
also whats a good hestia build
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Strike > Zeus' Aid > Smair with ideally Hunter Dash or Tidal Dash and a decent Special (Heartbreak Flourish works, too).
Tidal Dash (with poms on it) > any % Attack that's not Tempest Strike > any decent Special.
Deadly Strike > Hunter Dash (or alternatively Hunter Dash > Deadly Strike) with Hunter's Mark and a few poms on that.
Shattered Shackle > pick up any good Attack you find or keep the Shackle on.
Master Chaos: you'll want Strike, Lunge, and maybe Flourish.
Hammers: Ricochet Fire, Rocket Bomb, Cluster Bomb are all great. Piercing Fire and Targeting System are decent alternatives.
If you start Tidal Dash and don't find a good Attack in Tartarus, switching to Shackle in Asphodel can be very effective, too.
+100% Attack damage is a lot.
tawny grove
is Zeus on special any good?
cunning urchin
I definitely wouldn't turn down an epic Divine or Frost Flourish either.
But others can be fine, too, even stuff like Drunken Flourish or Curse of Pain. I wouldn't sweat it too much.
I'd say if you have Cluster Bomb or Rocket Bomb, you really wanna try to get a good % Special.
tawny grove
alr
cunning urchin
But if you don't have either of those hammers, anything is fine really.
I think Thunder Flourish is the only one I'd really rather avoid. But that's also just because Zeus' Aid and Electric Shot are way better options.
Also Lightning Reflexes.
worn solar
thunder flourish is fine on eris if you dont have clockets ig but usually a lot of other stuff youd rather want from him
cunning urchin
Yeah, exactly. And Thunder Flourish needs Static Discharge to be good whereas every other option is just kinda fine on its own.
cinder stratus
Hi guys, nooby guy here, just cleared Hades for the tenth time, did many runs at heat 1 or 2 to farm a bit of titans but still haven't beaten the game with the damn spear, any good build to recommend? considering I have guan-yu at lvl 2, zag lvl 0, achilles lvl 1 and hades locked
also, considering I still need to give nectars and ambrosias to gods, at what time you usually manage to close a ME build? meaning getting Ares Attack + Athena Special + Athena dash + Dual
cunning urchin
Some of us are not guys. 
valid dagger
also, considering I still need to give nectars and ambrosias to gods, at what ti...
Guan yu at lv2 is gonna be tough to play due to the penalty altho it’s quite safe if you get the rythme going, you do need Charged Skewer tho to really make it pop off (hammer), but you can do an ME build regardless (it’s still weaker without cskewer), since you have Achilles already I wouldnt bother with Zag spear, Achilles is quite versatile and can have a lot of damage sources since your buff applies to attack/cast and you can always get a good call and dash to help with that, Flurry Jab is the hammer you’re looking for, it makes you attack and dash strike much faster so it’s strictly a dps increase and by a lot, common builds for Achilles are Artemis attack + Slicing Flare/ Crystal Beam -> Hunting Blades / Crystal Clarity, you can also shoot for Ice Wine with Trippy shot, another build would be stacking a lot of Zeus (this works for a lot of things), but this puts a bit more reliance on the hammer since the Cast in this instance might not be doing as much, altho I recommend you pick one regardless, phalanx shot is pretty good
cinder stratus
Guan yu at lv2 is gonna be tough to play due to the penalty altho it’s quite saf...
guys and gals, sorry 😄
valid dagger
also, considering I still need to give nectars and ambrosias to gods, at what ti...
You can get an ME build going at any point really, as long as you have keepsakes, it's just a matter of consistency at this point, the last 3 Mirror upgrades will help massively with that, also general knowledge of increasing duo odds without opening up other duos helps
cinder stratus
You can get an ME build going at any point really, as long as you have keepsakes...
i have all the mirror upgrade maxed out, the green ones, last time i got ME during the sewers D:
valid dagger
i have all the mirror upgrade maxed out, the green ones, last time i got ME duri...
Yea ME is just like that sometimes you just get it very late in the run, make sure you're forcing Athena in Asphodel and taking any natural Athena you see in Tartarus, ME requirements are strict to Special and Attack only so if you have Ares attack and Athena Dash you dont meet those reqs and cant get ME that way, so the first thing you pick from Athena should be Special/attack to open ME then ideally ME/Dash, another good concept to follow is filling up your god pool and core boons, the only slots you have empty for an ME build are generally Call and Cast, if you put Poseidon there for example you unlock Unshakable Mettle and Curse of Drowning both of which ruin ME odds since they're rolled the same way (duos), a good god in that slot would be Zeus or just keeping that slot empty
Having your god pool full early (4 gods including Athena and Ares), helps a lot too, so you wont get offered any other gods aside from those, crossing through shops and minibosses will have a pretty good chance of showing one of those 2 that you want
cinder stratus
Having your god pool full early (4 gods including Athena and Ares), helps a lot ...
didn't know there was a cap at 4 gods, does this include hermes and chaos?
cunning urchin
No, it doesn't include those two.
cinder stratus
No, it doesn't include those two.
ty
valid dagger
You can also have more than 4 if you force them
But you're just adding more gods to be offered at that point so odds for Athena and Ares naturally become lower
cunning urchin
also general knowledge of increasing duo odds without opening up other duos helps
Emphasis added.
That's gonna be the most important one. You don't want to unlock any other Duo Boon from Lady Athena nor Lord Ares until you have Merciful End.
cinder stratus
by "force" you mean using a keepsake of a fifth god while having 4 different gods, right?
cunning urchin
Yeah.
cinder stratus
That's gonna be the most important one. You don't want to unlock any other Duo B...
uh,
does this decreases the odds to get another duo?
cunning urchin
If you want a specific one, then opening up another one from those two gods hurts your odds a lot, yeah.
cinder stratus
uhm my message was deleted by a bot
cunning urchin
If you roll legendary/duo in that slot, it's a 100% that it's Merciful End if that's the only one you have the requirements for. But if you also have the requirements for Lightning Phalanx, for example, then it's only a 50% chance that it's Merciful End.
cinder stratus
didnt know what i said of offensive
cunning urchin
No idea what it said. There are false positives once in awhile.
cinder stratus
let's say, i have athena and ares, and the room has only one exit
with a third god
if I take a duo from this third and ares/athena, it increases the odds to get ME the next time, right?
proper furnace
Good on zag rail
valid dagger
if I take a duo from this third and ares/athena, it increases the odds to get ME...
If you take or open up a duo?
If it's the first time seeing that god then you just wanna make sure you dont open up any duos with Athena or Ares
umbral jolt
Good on zag rail
so thats probably why it feels meh with hestia
valid dagger
On Hestia its useless yea
Since it doesnt apply to the empowered shot
and thats what you wanna be doing
cinder stratus
ok, so if i'm forced to take a third god I have to ensure the boon I take isn't paired with condemn on atk or repel on dash
ok
proper furnace
On eris it can work, but 6 bullets kinda weird to use
valid dagger
ok, so if i'm forced to take a third god I have to ensure the boon I take isn't ...
Yup
languid oyster
On eris it can work, but 6 bullets kinda weird to use
And ||lucifer?||
valid dagger
You can watch a speedrunner do an ME run maybe
proper furnace
And ||lucifer?||
Cant get spread fire on luci
valid dagger
You could get an idea of what they're avoiding and such
cinder stratus
You can watch a speedrunner do an ME run maybe
advices?
languid oyster
Cant get spread fire on luci
I feel like I did once
cinder stratus
meaning, name of speedrunners
cunning urchin
@cinder stratus I wrote some tips here for which boons from other gods are fine to take if you're looking for ME. #h1-builds-and-combat message
languid oyster
Also what boons are good on ||beowolf||
cunning urchin
And yeah if you already unlocked another Duo Boon by accident or deliberately, then you just wanna take it when it's offered to get it out of the pool. That'll help your odds to get ME next time a lot.
cinder stratus
<@!239065520681385984> I wrote some tips here for which boons from other gods ar...
uh, tyvm!
proper furnace
And yeah if you already unlocked another Duo Boon by accident or deliberately, t...
Flood flare>artemis core boon>mirage shot duo boon
Can also do passion flare + snow burst with priv status on mirror
Mirage shot is bugged on "flares" so the 2nd cast shoot by it doesnt get dmg reduction
cunning urchin
languid oyster
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H7EOP28oyu6t8KrBEfnrN-dQc6H_ssvAyYz3C1O2JOI/...
I don't want to speedrun I want to kill
cunning urchin
Well, lucky for you speedrun builds are all about DPS lol.
cinder stratus
jokes on me i took ME on a gilgamesh run, died at hades
valid dagger
meaning, name of speedrunners
I cant think of any specific ones but you can check the leaderboards, Fists and Nemesis are common ME weapons
valid dagger
Yea most Nemesis runs are ME pretty much
languid oyster
😳
lucid oar
Yea most Nemesis runs are ME pretty much
If you don’t know what ME is, this comment appears as very arrogant lmao
valid dagger
But besides the point, read Nyaanyaa's tips first, sometimes it's hard to keep up with speedrunners if you dont know what to look for
cunning urchin
Beowulf builds are pretty much the same in speedruns and at high heat. Difference is just that Flood Flare is the go-to for speedruns and Passion Flare is the go-to for high heat. And Trippy Flare is the odd one out that's just less consistent but can be very powerful if things go right. All three of those builds are very powerful anyway.
cinder stratus
But besides the point, read Nyaanyaa's tips first, sometimes it's hard to keep u...
that's specifically the reason i haven't yet
i feel so dumb whatching them
with beo once i managed to get demeter+dio+zeus
proper furnace
Beo is the weapon that you look at the top 3 casts and never look back
languid oyster
Why pick flood over passion and vice versa
cinder stratus
dio+deme duo, zeus+dio duo
cunning urchin
It's better if you watch a live stream where you can ask questions.
languid oyster
Last run I used trippy
cinder stratus
dio shot
proper furnace
Why pick flood over passion and vice versa
Large AoE and its half of mirage shot
Passion cause solid dmg without need for mirage
cinder stratus
was hitting for something like 1000 with a charge
cunning urchin
Flood Flare leads to faster runs, simple as that. Mirage Shot is bugged on Beowulf and does 100% instead of 30%, and Flood Flare start is your best route into that.
proper furnace
And weak, weak good
cunning urchin
Passion Flare is a more consistent build when pacts that limit your builds come in, and Weak is very strong, yeah.
cunning urchin
Yup.
Flood Flare can be sad until you get Mirage Shot. Which isn't too much of a problem in speedruns because you just reset until things go well.
In speedruns you're just looking for the most optimal run typically while at high heat you're just looking for anything that can get the job done reliably.
lucid oar
In speedruns you can do fine without mirage until lernie
In my 6:57 I got mirage in elysium midshop I think
But I had RD
languid oyster
Rd is?
(I know it's a boon I just suck)
languid oyster
Ok
cunning urchin
In my 6:57 I got mirage in elysium midshop I think
Also matters less when you just skip Tartarus and Asphodel, sure.
cunning urchin
That's still plenty more skipping than a typical high heat run that you play out.
cinder stratus
Beowulf builds are pretty much the same in speedruns and at high heat. Differenc...
what about getting artemis aid, tempest strike and passion flare, with mirage shot?
cunning urchin
You don't want Tempest Strike.
lucid oar
Tempest strike sucks cos it knocks enemies away from your casts
cinder stratus
since it applies to the charge, ok
lucid oar
Deadly strike is by far the best attack anyway
cinder stratus
tempest flourish then
cunning urchin
Deadly Strike is great, yeah.
cunning urchin
Tempest Flourish is a good pick-up if you already have Deadly Strike and don't have Charged Shot. If you have Charged Shot, you'll much rather want Tidal Dash than Tempest Flourish.
It's fine, but it's not a priority.
Priority is getting poms on your Cast and getting Snow Burst (or Frost Strike is an okay alternative, too) with Privileged Status.
cinder stratus
and the best way to proc PS on a build like that is like...
oh
i was thinking about rupture
since you have poseidon
cunning urchin
No. Generally any build that would require a tier 2 boon to apply 2 status curses is much better off with Family Favorite
shell sleet
If you don’t know what ME is, this comment appears as very arrogant lmao
mike simply holds every nemesis record on the leaderboard
cunning urchin
You wouldn't necessarily have Poseidon. You start Passion Flare and then take the Frostbitten Horn in Asphodel for Snow Burst.
cinder stratus
No. Generally any build that would require a tier 2 boon to apply 2 status curse...
but... those take the same slot
languid oyster
Minotaur rush
Pulverizing blow
Unyeilding defense
Which one
shell sleet
Unyielding defence
the strongest hammer
cunning urchin
but... those take the same slot
No. Snow Burst isn't her Cast boon. It procs when you use your Cast, but it doesn't go into the slot.
lucid oar
The other 2 do nothing
Pulv blow makes it worse cos you can’t group enemies with standing strike anymore
shell sleet
implying that unyeilding defense does anything significant
cinder stratus
No. Snow Burst isn't her Cast boon. It procs when you use your Cast, but it does...
oh
shell sleet
but atleast it doesnt nerf you
cinder stratus
that was confusing
cunning urchin
Unyielding Defense is great with Passion Flare.
unreal tree
Tempest strike
cinder stratus
pulv blow is good only if, for some reason, you're going dio atk with the shield
cinder stratus
no?
unreal tree
You want artemis attack/Aphrodite on pulv blow
The base damage is actually decent on zagreus shield
cinder stratus
mh, ok, but generally i though going atk focus on the shield is just... bad
unless you're going zeus|poseidon
cunning urchin
If you started Passion Flare and don't have Hyper Sprint already, getting permanent Sturdy from Unyielding Defense is basically +61% HP in boss fights. That's a lot.
That's kinda like picking up +122 max HP when your max is 200.
tranquil lion
unless you're going zeus|poseidon
see, I thought that too until I actually started playing zag shield for speed
and then I realized both pulverizing blow and charged shot builds do pretty stupid dps if you build it for crit and heart rend
cunning urchin
Charged Shot Zag Shield is just Charged Shot Beowulf with no Cast damage.
cunning urchin
Two Charged Shots in and the bosses aren't phased yet smh.
That's what happens when you forget your Flares at home, folks.
tranquil lion
huh since beowulf uses flares, I guess technically beowulf is the spicier one
cunning urchin
Beowulf is a well-balanced aspect.
cinder stratus
opinion: I did two runs with Arthur aspect, the 1st deadly strike, sincerely can't remember any other boons, but was focused on ATK... aaaaand i died at styx
the second, aphro atk, deme dash, deme cast, cold embrace, and ok, I didnt reach 1.2k damage per atk, but was constantly swinging for 500/600
it is me or the crit is overrated on Arthur?
cunning urchin
Still sad over the nerfs from S tier to S tier. 
Well, if you'd asked before your runs, we could have told you that.
Heartbreak Strike does good damage 100% of the time.
Deadly Strike does poor damage 85% of the time.
cinder stratus
Well, if you'd asked before your runs, we could have told you that. <:dusa:52224...
sometimes is funny to discover that your assumptions are plainly wrong lmao
cunning urchin
Lady Aphrodite wins again. 
shell sleet
Charged Shot Zag Shield is just Charged Shot Beowulf with no Cast damage. <:dusa...
then why does zagshield have 62 heat and not beo
tranquil lion
see what I learned with using artemis attack is that the assumption that throwing poms on it to make it stronger is actually wrong
see, the actual pommable component for artemis attack
is actually pressure points/ marked
proper furnace
Mark poms good yeah
cunning urchin
Well, the skulls count, too.
cinder stratus
and the vases?
cunning urchin
and the vases?
No.
cinder stratus
F
tranquil lion
oh but if you're using shield and block the skulls, they dont drop to the floor
so no mark for you in that case
cunning urchin
If you block them with your face, they also don't drop to the floor.
tranquil lion
but no one would be silly enough to do that, right?
cinder stratus
but no one would be silly enough to do that, right? <:dusa:522248771409543188>
jokes on you i'm into that
wild jasper
Question for Guan Yu Spear: High confidence or Thick Skin?
On the one hand, it's obviously easier to get HP back with GY, so you'd get the HC damage bonus more often.
On the other hand, GY REALLY needs more HP. It's why I usually pick Aphrodite's keepsake as my first when I play with that spear.
valid dagger
Question for Guan Yu Spear: High confidence or Thick Skin?
On the one hand, it's...
Thick Skin unless you're speedrunning or memeing
Guan Yu does not get back HP that easily
Spinning makes you very vulnerable and chances are, you're most likely gonna get hit
The only time you safely spin is between waves when enemies are still spawning
cunning urchin
It's really easy to keep your HP capped with FO0 with Guan Yu.
But High Confidence can lead to a bad time very early in the run because you can't really afford a mistake.
proven osprey
High confidence is cool, if we're talking lowish heat
cunning urchin
Later on it's not so bad, but it's also not really necessary.
valid dagger
yea FO0 surely helps
proven osprey
But don't take high confidence with the thought of "wow I can have my health back so it's free"
Because it's not
cunning urchin
I think High Confidence is kind of a natural choice if you want to do a Pierced Butterfly run with Guan Yu. Like for the achievement.
But that's relying on Charged Skewer really, not the lifesteal.
dense basin
I wonder - what are the best legendary (not duo) boons?
I personally have found usage for all of them, but Artemis and Demeter leg boon are always so hard to get
proven osprey
I'd say Splitting bolt in a lightning strike/flourish build
cinder stratus
artemis is a must for cast build, demeter is always good, zeus is op in a zeus build
proven osprey
Damage is just insane
cinder stratus
let's say, demeter is plain good indipendently from the build
other ones are build dependant
dense basin
Yeah, but for artemis somehow i got it more often I don't run cast build
proven osprey
I would not say Dem is good
valid dagger
Also Artemis isnt a must
cinder stratus
well, pressure point is another good-for-everything boon
valid dagger
You cant have a build rely on any legendary
dense basin
Dem is sweet cause it works with bosses
valid dagger
It's just inconsistent
cinder stratus
and support fire is -ish
proven osprey
You'd need an aspect that likes the prereq and taking a lot of Demeter, kinda does not exist
valid dagger
I would take Support fire over pressure points on a lot of things
cinder stratus
I would take Support fire over pressure points on a lot of things
maybe with fast attacks
but not always
dense basin
I like pressure points when I do a lot of attacks per second
cinder stratus
the matter with PP is the chance is too f-ing low
so it's good only if you have something else to raise it
dense basin
You cant have a build rely on any legendary
That's true, but it's very often good to have
valid dagger
The good thing about PP is that is opens up Hunter's Mark
cinder stratus
The good thing about PP is that is opens up Hunter's Mark
^
proven osprey
I would say the best legendary is one that does not make you make you go out of your way. That's why Zeus is just cool because it scales with itself
proven osprey
Aphro is omegalul, Ares does not even work properly
cinder stratus
aphro is a meme
dense basin
Duos are much easier
Somehow I have this feeling too
cinder stratus
more of a "lore" boon then a "meta" boon
dense basin
Usually it's attack + special or whatever
While leg it' going for specific T2 boon
Aphro is cool
Stopping EM4 Hades in the middle of swing is satisfying 
shell sleet
I would say the best legendary is one that does not make you make you go out of ...
thats why the best legendary is huge catch.
dense basin
Aphro is omegalul, Ares does not even work properly
Ares is cool, but yo fully get the power you need hunting blades
Then you get 2+ times more fmg
proven osprey
Yeah but iirc it simply does not work on either the dash or call
Can't remember
Which one
And to which extent, just another bug
dense basin
It's for cast mainly I think?
valid dagger
It's for all blades
proven osprey
Ah lmao
zealous spoke
Yeah but iirc it simply does not work on either the dash or call
Really? I recall using this in combination with the Call
Maybe it wasn't actually working, I don't think I was paying that much attention
valid dagger
Vicious cycle is a SCAM. From testing earlier I believe the actual damage is:
For most blade rifts, it adds only 1 extra damage per hit (cast, dash)
It does buff call properly (lol)
It does not work at all with slicing flare
cinder stratus
best cast weapons?
zealous spoke
Vicious cycle is a SCAM. From testing earlier I believe the actual damage is:
Fo...
It did say it added 1 extra damage per hit
dense basin
But you hit with ares blades so many times
zealous spoke
... Huh
dense basin
That it will give boost to damage
zealous spoke
In any case, Ares Aid is a ton of hits
zealous spoke
Especially if you have the boon that increases duration of blade rifts and adds suction
valid dagger
zealous spoke
So wouldn't that be really good value?
dense basin
Hmmm... so for the cast it should triple or quadruple dmg, not doubled plus
zealous spoke
The final hits should be dealing a lot
cinder stratus
once I did an aspect of poseidon run
valid dagger
It's good value for your Dash or Cast if they do good damage in your build
valid dagger
But Ares Aid is arguably the worst call in the game
proven osprey
zealous spoke
But Ares Aid is arguably the worst call in the game
Yeah, I remember using it before and Greater Call dealing pretty weak damage
Like, for the god of war, it deals less damage than love does
That's a bit sad
cinder stratus
the only good part of it
proven osprey
It's invulnerability at the cost of dealing not damage. And being vulnerable at the very end of it 
cinder stratus
is the prolonged invuln
valid dagger
It's invulnerability at the cost of dealing not damage. And being vulnerable at ...
Yea I hate that part a lot
zealous spoke
It's invulnerability at the cost of dealing not damage. And being vulnerable at ...
So Poseidon but worse?
proven osprey
Absolutely
valid dagger
Poseidon but does no damage
valid dagger
It depends
proven osprey
It's really good
valid dagger
Poseidon has a lot of nice T2s, if your build starts with something like Tidal Dash then chances are you want Razor Shoals and probably Breaking Wave before you consider taking the cast
dense basin
Why so many legs are buffing casts - I wish there was for example Ares leg which allows to apply two curses instead of one
cinder stratus
imho poseidon is worse at least vs bosses
proven osprey
Nah
zealous spoke
Poseidon has a lot of nice T2s, if your build starts with something like Tidal D...
Misspelled, meant to say Call
proven osprey
It allows you to reposition, rip current is quite insane
cinder stratus
once i skipped the entire second phase of the hydra
valid dagger
Call is very good overall yea as Astaos said
cinder stratus
with ares supreme evocation
proven osprey
Can definitely carry a run
valid dagger
the scaling is amazing too
cinder stratus
third*
proven osprey
I think it falls off when you need to deal heavy damage and when simply surviving is not enough
zealous spoke
once i skipped the entire second phase of the hydra
Wait, so one-shotting a boss can ignore a phase switch?
That's nuts
valid dagger
imho poseidon is worse <:bouldy:523329116934635534> at least vs bosses
There isn't really a worst, you're probably not using his boons very effectively
cinder stratus
just with that
cinder stratus
There isn't really a worst, you're probably not using his boons very effectively
probably
valid dagger
If you look at an Eris or Hestia speedrun the Dash is like 20%-30% of the damage
If not more
Both in rooms and in bosses
zealous spoke
Tidal Dash is cool
cinder stratus
really eris?
valid dagger
And it's not just these 2
Yes
Eris' Global Damage buff with Tidal dash is amazing
zealous spoke
I like to use it to break the jars in the Hades fight
cinder stratus
i just used the dash to jump in the aoe
and then delta chamber all
damage-wise, poseidon dash or aphro dash?
not considering ME with athena dash ofc
zealous spoke
Poseidon, right?
I won't pretend I know as much about the game as some other people do here, but its base damage is a lot better and it can proc stuff like Razor Shoals for added dmg
lucid oar
35 56 71 81 88
zealous spoke
Now add a good rarity and bam
cinder stratus
once i've found dem boon that increases rarity in the 1st realm
i've ended up with half heroic boons
and i was using arthur aspect
aphrodite heroic atk
zealous spoke
Oh, hey, a question
cinder stratus
lvl 5 or 6
zealous spoke
If you purge a Boon, can you get it back later?
valid dagger
Yes
lucid oar
Yeah
valid dagger
You cant purge Rare Crop
lucid oar
If you rare crop a boon, sell it, and get it back it will continue to upgrade in rarity
zealous spoke
Aha
lucid oar
Nourished soul
zealous spoke
Or stuff like Athena's Death Defiance one?
valid dagger
yep
zealous spoke
Good to know
valid dagger
Nope
cinder stratus
meaning, i have 4 different god boons, one of ares, i remove that boon of ares
i will still find only ares
and my other 3 gods
cinder stratus
good (bad) to know
valid dagger
Once a god is in your pool he's there for the rest of the run
cinder stratus
even god that appeared in the rewards/charon are considered in the pool?
valid dagger
Nope
cinder stratus
this is good
cinder stratus
ok
zealous spoke
Meanwhile, I had no idea there even was a god cap at all
Huh
This game's technical community must be something else
lucid oar
🤓
valid dagger
I'm a casual gamer still
cunning urchin
Nourished soul
That has a lasting effect on my mood for the rest of the run.
cunning urchin
WorriedDoggo — Today at 5:08 PM
First 8 heat was rough because I couldn’t get the duo boons I needed
@somber willow may I make a suggestion?
somber willow
> WorriedDoggo — Today at 5:08 PM
> First 8 heat was rough because I couldn’t ge...
Sure
cunning urchin
Use a key to reset your mirror and then swap to Dark Foresight and Fated Persuasion.
That'll help a lot with getting stronger builds.
zealous spoke
Do the Fated Authority Chthonic Keys give Fated Persuasion if that's the mirror upgrade you're using?
cunning urchin
Yes.
zealous spoke
Nice
somber willow
Fated persuasion is the one the increases duo and legendary right
grand brook
it gives you boon rerolls
zealous spoke
And wells, but that's less useful
cunning urchin
Dark Foresight is busted with +20% gold laurel rewards... which actually changes the ratio of gold to blue laurel from 50/50 to 70/30. Which means while it says +20%, you'll actually see 40% more boons, Centaur Hearts, etc. in your runs.
zealous spoke
Fated persuasion is the one the increases duo and legendary right
I think the legendary chance talent is the one called Gods' Legacy
Is there a talent that increases duo chance?
somber willow
I think it increases both
proper furnace
Legacy does both
zealous spoke
I might be misremembering
zealous spoke
Legacy does both
Cool!
cunning urchin
Legendary Boons and Duo Boons are basically both considered "legendary" tier.
somber willow
I like being able to change doors in Styx but I can try changing it
zealous spoke
To me, Persuasion seems a lot better
Since sometimes you have this one specific boon you want
And not getting it is annoying
worn solar
most of the time yeah
zealous spoke
Say, you're using a Poseidon Sword build and want to make sure you get Exit Wounds
cunning urchin
Like practically 100% of high heat runs and speedruns at this point use Fated Persuasion.
worn solar
authority stonks for chaos 50
cunning urchin
It just gets you strong builds more consistently. You actually get to reroll boons from Lord Hermes to get the best ones more reliably.
Just plenty of reasons for it.
somber willow
I can see changing chaos being useful because I rarely get what I want from chaos
cunning urchin
If you're looking for a specific Duo Boon and you have Refreshing Nectar + a god keepsake for increased chances but you got unlucky... you can roll the same boon again still with the increased chances.
cunning urchin
I can see changing chaos being useful because I rarely get what I want from chao...
Yeah, that's another reason. Master Chaos has amazing boons for certain builds, so the option to reroll is huge. And also sometimes just the option to roll away from 3 terrible curse options.
zealous spoke
Yeah, that's another reason. Master Chaos has amazing boons for certain builds, ...
Getting Grasp on Hera or Beowulf builds
- Stonks *
somber willow
Thanks for the tips
languid oyster
I just demolished redacted so fast 😳
With Chiron bow and drunken flourish
It's brain dead easy
somber willow
There are a good handful of Chiron build that are pretty strong
languid oyster
Question, if I have DF and I improve my special damage, is the hangover affected?
worn solar
if youre talking about stuff like chaos flourish or boiling blood then no
worn solar
only unspecified damage increases like those from high confidence, family favorite, or rush delivery increase dot dmg
languid oyster
Anygays back to killing my father
sterile fiber
privileged status is nice for DF chiron
languid oyster
privileged status is nice for DF chiron
Is that the 40% increase to damage with two status effects
sterile fiber
can get 40% boost right out of Tartarus if lucky, and definitely out of Aspho (unless you get rng screwed)
yeah
languid oyster
I have that
sterile fiber
Get Aphrodite on regular attack and hunt for the duo
languid oyster
Should I get deadly strike
sterile fiber
Artemis' status won't proc on the enemy you're attacking
languid oyster
It has
Aid
Strike
Cast
I can re roll
worn solar
cast is fine
languid oyster
I like her aid
sterile fiber
But unless you really want to optimize, her attack is fine
Hunter's Mark would help your output regardless
languid oyster
I'll get aid
sterile fiber
Aid gud
worn solar
aid also good with hangover/chiron
languid oyster
Hunter's Mark would help your output regardless
That is?
sterile fiber
Esp since hangover helps your call build a lot
sterile fiber
read it in the codex if you have access
languid oyster
Yeah
sterile fiber
Yeah so you keep attacking the marked one, to get a lot of damage
Artemis/Dio duo can further buff your crit rate, but on its own it's not that much
Basically a Pressure Points+
languid oyster
My mindset for DF Chiron is that the only thing better than improving special directly is things that improve special indirectly
sterile fiber
You wanna improve the hangover
languid oyster
I mostly go for duo boons
languid oyster
You wanna improve the hangover
Yes
cunning urchin
If you take Artemis' Aid, make sure you put a couple poms on it to make it worthwhile. Otherwise just don't take it in the first place.
Deadly Strike would have been pretty good on Chiron.
worn solar
if you get aphro attack, ares revenge, and arty cast or aid you can unlock all the hangover duos
languid oyster
I usually get aphro attack so cool
I have splitting headache in tartarus let's go
I can fight charon
sterile fiber
do it
languid oyster
I'm in tart but I have OP boons
I'm doing it
Just used dd
Another dd...
Beat him
worn solar
ngl splitting headache is pretty much worth a single pom in tart
actually not even a pom...
languid oyster
Does borrowing 300 obol actually give you 300 gold or is it just for a fight
worn solar
yeah you get the gold
languid oyster
Also why doesn't hermes have any duo boons
proper furnace
Also why doesn't hermes have any duo boons
Built diferent
sterile fiber
also the odds would be too low
You only see him twice
At most
Not counting re Charon Styx shop
proper furnace
What about the other god for the duo 
languid oyster
Dio+Hermes boon: walking inflicts hangover
proper furnace
Drunken dash walk
languid oyster
What keepsake should I use
In terms of duo boons with dio
I think Ares
I picked blood filled vial
I'm in asphodel and I don't even have an attack cast or dash boon
Only special and call
I got curse of vengeance
Now I just need to get the duo boon
The second Lernie reached its final phase I full Artemis aided and hit it once
I GOT CURSE OF NAUSEA LETS GOOOOOO
Fighting the Champions and I still have no attack boon
cunning urchin
Well, you skipped Deadly Strike and you've been skipping a lot of core boons in general to get to that point.
languid oyster
I got aphro in styx
Full Chiron bow loadout:
Chiron bow
Aphrodite attack
Drunken flourish <-- important
Mirror of night Privileged Status
Whatever dash suits your duo boon
Getting cast boons is a waste
This is the core (very easy to get) but the best improvements include:
Relentless volley (hammer)
Curse of nausea (with curse of vengeance, not strike or flourish for obvious reasons)
Support fire (because of the multiple hits of special)
Low tolerance (works especially well bc of aphro attack)
Exclusive access (It's always really good)
cunning urchin
Any Hangover build benefits a ton from picking up Trippy Shot. That should probably be a much higher priority than Curse of Nausea and definitely way higher than Exclusive Access.
Curse of Nausea requires a specific third god and specifically Curse of Vengeance from him, which is not a core boon, and it's also not a very good boon its own. Not bad, but also not very good. It's certainly niceif you happen to run into it, but specifically aiming for it just comes at too much opportunity cost.
Trippy Shot comes from a god that you already have and opens up his legendary immediately since Hangover is the foundation of your build. And Trippy Shot is a very powerful Cast with excellent pom scaling.
Exclusive Access is good when you happen to run into it early, but on its own it doesn't do anything. So there's no reason to specifically aim for it. I'd also argue that with those three gods, Sweet Nectar is the much better Duo Boon from Poseidon because Hangover wants poms, Trippy Shot wants poms, and Sweet Nectar will make your poms a lot more valuable than they already are. So it has more natural synergy with the stuff you already have. Of course you probably wouldn't turn down Exclusive Access if you see it, though.
Low Tolerance is absolutely the heart of any Chiron Drunken Flourish build because it's very easily the strongest buff to your Hangover damage.
Support Fire does a lot less than you'd think because it has a cooldown, so it won't actually proc on every arrow of your Volley. It's not bad, but it's also not amazing. Better options are usually Pressure Points with the aim to get Hunter's Mark down the line and put 1-2 poms on it, and alternatively, especially when you already have Low Tolerance, True Shot or Artemis' Aid with some potential for Splitting Headache/Heart Rend. Artemis' Aid is kind of greedy for poms because it's pretty bad at Lv.1–2, there are stronger Calls you could be taking instead, and you already have some boons that want a lot of poms, so typically the play to unlock those Duo Boons is taking True Shot. But an epic Artemis' Aid can be pretty nice, too.
wild jasper
If something says it boosts attack and/or special damage, is it just the white damage, or does that include Hangover, Doom, Chain-Lightning/Thunder, ect?
cinder stratus
tips for an Achilles build? gods to focus on?
cunning urchin
If it only says damage, then it applies to everything.
valid dagger
tips for an Achilles build? gods to focus on?
cinder stratus
tyvm
wild jasper
So something like Urge to Kill or Battle Rage, both from Ares... aren't even that good on Doom focused builds?
Kind of odd
valid dagger
They're just side picks for the most part
cunning urchin
^ was gonna link that. That's one very strong way to build it. The build ideally has Flurry Jab, but the same ideas still work without it. It's just gonna be weaker.
valid dagger
Dire Misfortune and Impending Doom are more synergistic with Doom itself
Well you cant get them without having Doom but yea
cunning urchin
So something like Urge to Kill or Battle Rage, both from Ares... aren't even tha...
Boons like that are a lot like Pressure Points, Strong Drink, etc... you take them when Lord Ares isn't a core part of your build, maybe you don't want to unlock any particular Duo Boons with him because it would hurt your chances at getting what you want... like pretty much every god has boons like that that are just like back rank support that you can splash into any build if you don't particularly care for any core boons from them.
cunning urchin
Well you cant get them without having Doom but yea
Thankfully.
valid dagger
Yes
lost charm
guys, what's the best weapon/build for 32 heat? Trying to get the last skelly's prize
valid dagger
Pact matters more than those two
lost charm
my best one was 16 with achilles, but thats my far
lost charm
Pact matters more than those two
oh, ok
valid dagger
Do keep in mind 16 to 32 is a big jump, check pins in #h1-high-heat-strategies
cinder stratus
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eAOEli9KqJOVyPD7U-6D1o1yZx1tDMQWLDcMJr8G84E/
do you have docs like this for each aspect? is there a folder o is it something you can share on drive?
valid dagger
do you have docs like this for each aspect? is there a folder o is it something ...
https://github.com/burgerdon/HadesGuides/blob/main/index.md This should have most if not all the guides by the community for Speedrunning
cinder stratus
umbral jolt
Are theres ways to power up the hestia special shot?
sterile fiber
Any attack boon with +% damage
Hunter's dash
Chaos boons that buff attack or dash attack
Any global damage buff
Unless by special shot you mean the special attack that's a bomb
umbral jolt
Unless by special shot you mean the special attack that's a bomb
No the special reload shot
sterile fiber
yeah then those
wild jasper
Just to be clear, dash-strike damage bonuses only effect a dash-strike/attack and not a dash-special, right?
I'm pretty sure that's correct but just making sure because shield has a hammer upgrade for dashing while using the special iirc, and the fists has a dash-upper with hammer upgrades for it even.
strange lark
dash specials (dash upper and dashing flight)
GET chaos special buffs
DO NOT take damage from chaos special curses
DO get chaos dash strike buffs
DO NOT take damage from chaos attack curses
GET hunter dash buffs
grand brook
so when i start using aspect of arthur, what's a good build for it
proper furnace
Aphro attack and idk get zeus call for smomdering air ig
Just slap things with high dmg
wild jasper
Getting Pressure Points and Hunter's Mark from Artemis is never a bad idea
strong cipher
Hi I'm in a run with Zag Shield, what you can recomend me please
tranquil lion
zag shield gaming
basically, passion dash, artemis attack, pray for pulverizing blow hammer and/or charged shot
and get heart rend
worn solar
usually you put aphro/arty attack on it and that can br a good source of damage. if you dont have the aspect upgraded then you might just want to resort to flat damage like zeus or ares