h1-builds-and-combat

[errant acorn]

Since the build involves Blinding Flash and Privileged Status for some of the damage on hand.

[vale imp]

Um

Which biomes are you wearing black shawl?

Also why are you using black shawl

[errant acorn]

Usually, what I'm doing is Owl Pendant and Blood-filled Vial for Tartarus and Asphodel respectively, then Black Shawl for Elysium and Styx.

[unreal tree]

Try hades call

It gives 100% extra damage for a short duration

Shawl has very minimal effect on any weapon

So that hades call/acorn is usually preferred

[errant acorn]

I mean, maybe if you aren't using Shadow Presence I guess.

[unreal tree]

Its additive

The fists have low base damage

It doesn't make sense to buff your lets say 20 damage attack when your doom ME build is doing 300

[errant acorn]

Should I be using Sigil of the Dead for the Greater Call?

[vale imp]

lesser call, greater, either is fine

Bone Hourglass is pretty great as well, you get a lot of defensive and offensive boosts from charon's shops

[torpid bolt]

https://youtu.be/4EXMTvcOuJ8 a really good example of dad call on ME fists

[boreal phoenix]

what is the most amount of damage that you can do with the Hera bow?

And or what cast at level 5 can deal the most damage?

[worn solar]

hera can do like enough to kill dad in 30 seconds

[boreal phoenix]

RLY?!

[worn solar]

well tbh quite a few aspects can

usually you use aphro cast

[boreal phoenix]

Ok

PP for the all DMG crit chance?

[worn solar]

well pressure points doesnt do that much

its mostly to get marked going

[boreal phoenix]

Fair

[worn solar]

you want stuff like snow burst, quick reload, and extra casts and damage damage

[boreal phoenix]

But can you "theoretically" get 6 or 7 casts?

Cuz I know you can get 5 if you are lucky

[worn solar]

well yeah

[boreal phoenix]

But what about more than that 🤔

[proper furnace]

Charon wells go brrrr

[worn solar]

well wells yeah

[boreal phoenix]

They only give +1 right?

Hold on

I'ma look this up

[proper furnace]

Artemis legendary is the only one that gives +2

But that boon is a myth so

[boreal phoenix]

Huh

Ok

[proper furnace]

Also artemis legendsry was only one of her normal boons before

And pommable

[worn solar]

well you can stack multiple https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/910984687764258886/unknown.png

[proper furnace]

Charon keepsake based

[strange lark]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/852263460220829716/Screenshot_321.png

You can get a lot of casts

[worn solar]

"master caster"

[lucid oar]

So much potential if you got rd for second Hermes

[worn solar]

wait whats the requirements for that

[strange lark]

Use cast a bunch of times

Like over 100 or smth

[lucid oar]

Id hope so

I use 100 casts in one chamber 34

[valid dagger]

Damn never seen that title before

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/928661146624487444/unknown.png

I have the fake casts

But look at that hermes

What a scam

[lucid oar]

Having more than 2 extra casts automatically tells Hermes to be garbage

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/933794559274647592/Hades_43.png

[valid dagger]

Whats with all these gamers getting fully loaded

I thought that’s not a real boon

[lucid oar]

All you gotta do is pick the boon fully loaded from the goddess Artemis of the hunt

[cinder mist]

Does lava count as a trap? (for "take more/less damage from trap" purposes)

[errant narwhal]

yes

[cunning urchin]

@worn solar you haven't submitted your run yet. 🔫

[worn solar]

[unreal tree]

🔫 submit your runs

[cunning urchin]

Yes. 🔫

[strange lark]

no

[lucid oar]

Ok

[fading nymph]

It’s a real boon just not on castpects

[last dirge]

I got epic flurry cast + greater recovery on my cod Gilgamesh attempt that failed

[turbid needle]

does the mirage ice beam do full damage or 30%

[valid dagger]

No reason for it to do full damage

[lucid oar]

The beam 30%

Flare 100%

[valid dagger]

Beowulf's thing isnt a beam yea

[lucid oar]

But 100% of 0 is 0

[valid dagger]

just a small fart

[turbid needle]

no reason for flares to do full damage but they do 🤷‍♂️

wrong reply

[valid dagger]

flares doing full damage is a feature

[turbid needle]

why

[fading nymph]

Just Beo things

[valid dagger]

potato icy flare 50 when

boonless flare 50 when

[cunning urchin]

Don't know if a casual should say those things.

[lucid oar]

I’m the most casual player here

[fading nymph]

Regular 50 when

I will do 50

[lucid oar]

Both my PBs were set in 25 minute sessions

[valid dagger]

As a casual I'm interested in seeing the gamers doing high heat memeing

[fading nymph]

Eventually

this year

[cunning urchin]

I can see that from your poms on Divine Dash.

[lucid oar]

It’s just 48 heat with AP

[fading nymph]

[lucid oar]

And rare crop, the best boon in the game

[cunning urchin]

Which does more damage? Epic Tidal Dash Lv.1 or Heroic Divine Dash Lv.40?

[lucid oar]

Numbers don’t lie

[fading nymph]

Idk man

[cunning urchin]

Woman.

[valid dagger]

Advice from a professional casual over here, if you get common boons in Tartarus, force Demeter in Asphodel for rare crop

[lucid oar]

Like 8.5 damage

[proper furnace]

As someone-

[fading nymph]

With over

[fading nymph]

I can’t change the ancient scriptures

Take it up with the enlightened individual on Reddit

[turbid needle]

my pom blossom calculating how to land on divine dash every frickin time:

[valid dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/934200219690745936/Hades_8t9mVsPqKI.png

[lucid oar]

That’s a lot more than I was expecting

[valid dagger]

viable for dash only

[lucid oar]

Is it +2 per Pom eventually

Never goes to +1

Where’s the Pom sheet

[fading nymph]

New meta new meta

[lucid oar]

That’s level 6 epic tidal

[fading nymph]

LOL

[turbid needle]

nah thats lvl

4

4 is probably more actually like 105 iirc

[lucid oar]

Oops level 5

Level 6 rare then

[cunning urchin]

Lv.1 Tidal Dash does more DPS just from wall-slams anyway.

[lucid oar]

And razor shoals

All you need is razor shoals

[turbid needle]

https://imgur.com/89TKOjc ok i stand corrected its lvl 5 epic

[valid dagger]

https://streamable.com/ck12sf

pretty good damage if you ask me

[lucid oar]

Get rush delivery

And 100 ichors

[valid dagger]

and make my game crash? yea tried that

[turbid needle]

use gilgamesh

[valid dagger]

ill use eris

I dont think rush delivery works

in courtyard

oh nvm it does

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/934202521671573584/Hades_ydhGDSs88W.jpg

@lucid oar this gud enough ?

[cunning urchin]

No.

It's Lv.100, so you should have 100 Ignited Ichors.

[lucid oar]

At that point would a shield with ferocious guard do more damage than eris

[cunning urchin]

You tell us.

[valid dagger]

gotta unleash the titan toppler

https://streamable.com/9xprjm

yea okay im done

[cunning urchin]

Still slower than Croven.

[valid dagger]

memeing with codex pretty fun tbh

[lucid oar]

Once you’ve installed codex mod how do you get the boons

I couldn’t figure it out

[valid dagger]

go to the god page and press whatever the codex button is set to

Should be Enter by default

[lucid oar]

Ah rifht

[valid dagger]

dusa for duos

and if you do it on enemies/items you spawn them

[cunning urchin]

The mods must have grown soft to allow so much modded chat.

[unreal tree]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-haverford-ive-looked-at-this-gif-9647862

[lucid oar]

Where can I download the elysium skip mod 👀

[valid dagger]

this is what it feels like to play hyper sprint +3 dashes nem

oh thats you replied to the other clip

nvm then

[valid dagger]

hades routing modpack diy

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/931680030856200232/860890017613873193.webp

[unreal tree]

https://clips.twitch.tv/KitschyFurryTireTTours

[valid dagger]

lmao

[pastel gull]

What is the best build for chaos sheild? I just maxed it out but im not doing so well with it

[cunning urchin]

Thunder Flourish into Static Discharge is a common pick. With some poms on both. Then also maybe Double Strike and potentially Splitting Bolt.

[pastel gull]

Superb thanks ill try it out

[sand anvil]

what do you guys think about Athena's boons combined with the Malphon fists?

[fading nymph]

Merciful end good

Ares attack Athena dash, Athena special to open up the duo

[cunning urchin]

@dense fiber congrats! If you're interested in a much speedier Eris build, I can point you to a great guide.

[fading nymph]

Dash on its own is kinda nice too

[cunning urchin]

High Heat Malphon without Divine Dash is suffering.

[valid dagger]

True

[dense fiber]

oh yeah that would be great thanks!

[fading nymph]

Drunken strike, titan toppler blinding flash pstat Talos

[cunning urchin]

The Eris bible: https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/eris-rail-guide/

That.. predates the bible, I guess?

[dense fiber]

thanks!

[worthy sorrel]

Sobbing rn

I have all the boons I need including the legendary

EXCEPT FOR APHRODITE AID

AND IM AT THE FINAL BATTLE

;-;

[sand anvil]

Quick question, where do I disscuss how to get the final spear aspect?

I just want some pointers in case I might of missed something

[proper furnace]

#h1-story-discussion pins for hidden aspects methods @sand anvil

[sand anvil]

thank you

[lucid oar]

https://imgur.com/a/tCwSA7Q Chamber 1 in 3.4s

My fastest outside of achilles/zag sword/gilga

[strange lark]

nice

[sand anvil]

you ever get the triple special and rocket special for the gun?

its amazing, even more so when paired with a good boon

[worn solar]

cluster rocket is much better

[sand anvil]

what's that?

[quartz fractal]

thats the fastest ive seen i think

[quartz fractal]

cluster bomb + rocket bomb = annihilation

[turbid needle]

cluster bomb replaces ur special with 5 bombs that do 70% of the original dmg but with rocket its 5 full dmg rockets

[sand anvil]

holy RPG!

[tawny grove]

how would you go about doing a revenge build?

[worn solar]

err grab arthur then just get zeus' revenge boon, double strike, and a bunch of damage resistance

[turbid needle]

and ares for vengeful mood

[turbid needle]

https://imgur.com/K0tDCxT bye bye purple numbing

is this worth a reroll lol

and sell like phlanx instead

[cunning urchin]

Phalanx Shot unlocks DDs, and the Deflect can help a lot.

[worn solar]

also if youre going for something specific for dash or attack then cast being filled helps

[tiny marten]

Question: does anybody have any tips on how to get the boons for the January monthly challenge. I’ve just been praying with Aphrodite’s and Demeter’s boons so far, and trying to pick the right ones to gain Cold Embrace. Also I’m pretty clueless on how to get Unhealthy Fixation

[valid dagger]

For Unhealthy fixation you need a core boon that isn’t the aid and one of Empty inside Broken resolve or sweet surrender

The best way to do it is to pray indeed

Because it has lots of rng, moreso if you’re doing RI2 aswell

You can try Fated Authority

[ocean shuttle]

i have a question of what heat to pick next, currently running em2, dc2, and td2 using fists. I only have 1 reroll rn so routine inspection might be good?

i think this is the right channel

as 9 heat isnt rly high heat

[lucid oar]

Don’t use routine inspection yet

DC2 is also quite annoying

I’d use UC, MM, FO to start

And BP1 is good to get used to

[ocean shuttle]

ok now running em2, mm, dc1, and td2

[shell sleet]

dont use routine inspection unless you want to go 45+ heat

[valid dagger]

Yea it's quite bad

You can try it

You'll realize how strong Dark Foresight is

[shell sleet]

though if you were using olympian favour this whole time then RI1 is free heat

[valid dagger]

[fresh jewel]

I recommend getting used to FO2 as soon as possible tbh, it just makes you better at the game

And it synergises with TD somewhat

[fading nymph]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/697204655339601933/934520051996975124/unknown.png

oh so now I get it

[turbid needle]

twin shot or flurry shot for heart rend chiron

flurry right?

[lucid oar]

Yeah

Although you really want concentrated

[turbid needle]

yea but i only got relentless

[fading nymph]

relentless still good

[turbid needle]

if i got both i think i could beat 32 but without winning the lottery its hard

[worn solar]

that why you dont do chiron

[fading nymph]

you don't need a ton of rng for 32

[worn solar]

that or turn it into bootleg zag bow

relentless already should be good enough yeah

[turbid needle]

Yes i do im bad

speak for urself lol

[worn solar]

just use eris

[turbid needle]

nah ive done 0-19 bounties on bow so for 20 im doing 32

im not there yet on rail

i hate bow now

[worn solar]

do rama

rama ez

[turbid needle]

i dont like it much but i did a couple runs

As a hindu tho i like that its in the game lol

what build should i go for on rama

DC2 or CF2?

[worn solar]

dc2

cf bad

dc free

just start heartbreak strike and either arty dash or attack and just grab whatever flat special and twin shot or triple

that or start arty special and get relentless

[valid dagger]

[worn solar]

it does 40 heat so it must be good

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/920797982566256660/Hades_12_15_2021_2_00_37_PM.png just needs a couple of boons

[sterile fiber]

I ran a 32 with L1 Chiron

[last dirge]

Just got mirage parting on a lvl 7 phalanx shot

But it wasnt hera

[sand anvil]

Anyone got any suggestions for cast/dash builds using the bow?

[severe vigil]

Aphro cast with arti attack, arti legendary, exit wounds, poseidon dash for sweet nectar duo and mirage shot

This is a Hera build

[sand anvil]

whats the arti attack?

[severe vigil]

You can do any status curse for call, Dionysus works great with priviledged status

[severe vigil]

Artemis

Idk the names of boons by heart

[proper furnace]

If you wanna use P.status just use crush shot + snow burst

[shell sleet]

doing the monthly challenge with RI2 would be pretty tough ngl

having to get unhealthy fixation and a duo

[cunning urchin]

Good luck!

[turbid needle]

i tried FO2 Authur and the enemies fasts attacks wasnt even the bad part, it was so annoying because they would turn around before i could shadow slash them for 1200 raw dmg

that with deadly reversal led to some funny numbers

[candid knoll]

Are you using mods

[valid dagger]

Yea this is modded

[tiny marten]

Why can I not send photos on discord mobile to this channel

I have a run I want to share

[valid dagger]

You can share it in #h1-victory-boasting or upload it somewhere else and link it here

[tiny marten]

Ok

Thanks

[pastel gull]

Guys whats the best nemesis sword build?

[turbid needle]

i always wondered how its the left side rainbow like that?that sode you see the boons

it also looks different

the whole stats on the right side

[worn solar]

rainbow?

the god icons in the right corner show the modded ruleset

[turbid needle]

like colored

[valid dagger]

It's just the theme

[turbid needle]

how do you get it?

looks cool

[worn solar]

buy out the first tab from the contractor or something

[turbid needle]

how nuch is it?diamonds or gems

if u remember

[worn solar]

well this specific theme costs like 50k darkness or something

or was it 5k

[strange lark]

25k i think

[turbid needle]

that much?

i gotta play a lot then

[worn solar]

yeah 25k

[turbid needle]

darkness?

what is its name

[last dirge]

@pastel gull dash strikes. Try something like aphro flourish Artemis attack and dash, heart rend, double edge.

Alternatively Athena dash

Don't think you can get Deadly Reversal sadly

That would however work fine as a build tbh. Athena flourish and dash, Artemis attack

That juicy 50% crit

Special -> dash strike -> dash strike -> special

You can also do dash specials remember

You can move the special a fair bit with dashes

Good 2nd hammers would be like supernova for aphro or double nova for athena

And go for attack or dash strike stuff from Chaos

Actually you totally can get Heart Rend + Deadly Reversal. Passion Dash.

[turbid needle]

i autopiloted and chose a nectar without noticing the Eurydice before it was too late

[worn solar]

would prolly be better to start heartbreak strike and use arty cast to open heartrend. then you can have a better dash like athena's or arty's. also heartbreak start shifts better into Smair with nat zeus

[turbid needle]

yo could u tell me the name of the theme? i dont find it anywhere

[worn solar]

err infinite

[turbid needle]

ty

[worn solar]

theres also a wiki page on the contractor btw with requirements and stuff https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/House_Contractor

[turbid needle]

aight tyy

[turbid needle]

is just me or does MM barge make it easier?

[proven osprey]

Yes it does

It's quicker at least. You have to spend a summon but that's better time wise

[hexed lake]

Idk where to put this, but I think this falls under combat

When fighting hades, should I ignore the fireballs that explode, or should I kill those, ik that you can dash into the explosion to avoid dmg but I’m unsure

[turbid needle]

yea this is the right channel

mostly ignore but attack if hes invincible and theres nothing else to hit

theyre simple to dodge once you get the hang of it so practice it rather than kill them

[hexed lake]

That makes sense, thank you

[worn solar]

if you have decent dps then killing them wont take more than a hit or two

[turbid needle]

yea if you have good damage then try to hit both them and Hades, a lot of times you'll kill em accidentally

[hexed lake]

It’s like, my third time fighting him and he’s almost dead, but yeah now ik I don’t have to worry about them

[proven osprey]

I kill them if I'm close

If you don't, you at least always keep track of them

Just so you know when to dodge, approximately

[turbid needle]

uf you can destroy them do it if not dont worry about them tbh

[proven osprey]

Also, make sure you're not wasting all your dashes trying to dodge them

The best situation being dashing through the wave and a hit at the same time

At low heat you won't get punished for that though

[turbid needle]

does Hades boiling blood work the same as a max upgraded zag talent

[unreal tree]

Wdym

[worn solar]

well dad's adds 100%

[opaque hare]

Is antos good?

[cunning urchin]

Yep!

[last dirge]

Antos is probably ideal for Furies/Champions/Dad but is slower and harder/impossible to aim

Ideal in the sense that it is more damage in those cases because there are focusable targets at least in some phases

On Heroes it probably matters a lot less. Even Shady can hit both of them.

[grand brook]

So you use the companion as soon as the hero fight starts?

[cunning urchin]

Antos hard to aim? They home in on enemies.

[candid knoll]

Yes you can
Don't do it when you are running DC 😂

[last dirge]

You cant choose a specific enemy is the point

Unless it's just 1 or 2

[turbid needle]

is it sad that ive never used any companion other than shady and battie

[sterile fiber]

Skelly has lines if you keep him alive

[turbid needle]

if you hold down dash strike on gilga do you lose iframes

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

[last dirge]

It staggers pretty well when you have dashes available though

But yeah I think if you held down both you just wouldn't get iframes

[last dirge]

Just had ME Hera AND Parting Shot AND Fully Loaded

Didnt get enough poms on attack but got impending

Still meh

I should have had shadowy on

Phalanx Hera still auto backstabs with Parting Shot right?

These were all natural gods

(Common) rush delivery too. I had like 80% bonus damage but idk if I could really proc it

Bad hammers got me perfect shot then explosive shot lmfao

I was betting on an anvil but got hyper sprint instead

[errant acorn]

What cast should I go for if I'm doing a Demeter fists/Merciful End build? Does it even matter?

I've been using Electric.

[valid dagger]

Artemis is ideal because it opens up Deadly Reversal

But you wanna pick that up after you take Merciful End

[gusty rapids]

electric is one of the best actually, doesn’t open up any other duos like most casts

[cunning urchin]

Other Casts can be fine if they don't unlock a Duo Boon.

But you're not particularly looking for a Cast boon anyway if you're going for Merciful End.

[dusty kettle]

The way people speak of builds makes me think you have a choice as to what rewards generate.
I'm guessing this is about attempting to acquire boons? Or is there truly a way to create a build (without mods/cheating)?

[turbid needle]

due to keepsakes (||and eventually the last mirror talent||), its very easy to force the game to give you a build you want.

[worn solar]

well you choose which gods appear with keepsakes and you can choose which gods are added to your pool

[dusty kettle]

Ah, thank you/

[worn solar]

getting specific core boons and a duo isnt very difficult

[dusty kettle]

I've cleared a few times in the past, so I know of that ||mirror talent|| and the keepsakes.
I just thought people had some weird way of ensuring they received specific builds.

[worn solar]

well theres optimized decision making

[dusty kettle]

Yeah yeah lol. My point was that some builds are so specific that I thought there was yet another way to choose boons.
I pray RNG gives me the choices I need for these builds.

[cunning urchin]

The more specific the build, the less consistent it is.

[valid dagger]

That’s my main strat too

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/931680030856200232/860890017613873193.webp

[dusty kettle]

The best strat.
Sacrifice a bunch of temple virgins in the hopes RNGesus smiles upon my efforts.

[turbid needle]

relentless volley or twin shot for chamber 1 rama?

(dont ask what the 3rd choice is bcz its repulse shot )

[worn solar]

do you want to play rama or special rama

[turbid needle]

whats better

[worn solar]

dunno

[turbid needle]

ill go adamant arrow head and twin shot

[shell sleet]

wait is antos more damage than meg?

i checked and its not

how would this ever be better than meg

[worn solar]

well if both patty and achilles hit both champs

[lucid oar]

It’s more but it comes out way slower

[worn solar]

a whole 500 more damage

and smoller area

[shell sleet]

oh?

[lucid oar]

Oh I’m thinking of mort

[shell sleet]

i thought it was 1500 per enemy

[lucid oar]

Lmao I don’t know the summons speedrunner moment

[shell sleet]

same

legit never clicked a summon other than meg

[lucid oar]

I had to unlock fidi for the monthly challenge attempts

[shell sleet]

except for the monthly challenge

[worn solar]

idk i think theres a smol aoe

[lucid oar]

Me lining myself up for the 4 witches only for dusa to come out and slowly take out them all

[worn solar]

like ive used em on power couple a few times and i think hit both at the same time. maybe

[shell sleet]

and for heroes

though the heroes lineup is much faster and easier

bombers and witches is the one that hurt the most

[turbid needle]

me lining up witches so meg takes off 4 dc sheilds 🧠

[valid dagger]

Witches kinda easy idk

Bombers suck tho

[shell sleet]

well

[turbid needle]

gorg rock big ez unless you get comboed for 100 dmg

[shell sleet]

witches is far more consistent

but the lineup is slower

[lucid oar]

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/vXwDAt3zCQyYHxk8cDvo-TtDH_Tx8RxA4nmxe8XOkKg/https/i.imgur.com/H9lJh1O.mp4

[worn solar]

just ask bombers to kindly jump on top of each other

[shell sleet]

but for bombers i swear i do exactly what the guide says but then it misses the second guy half the time

[lucid oar]

Bombers kinda inconsistent

[worn solar]

shoulda used the big brain midrush pickup and load strat on the last witch after the whiff https://imgur.com/a/BRhCR5S

[valid dagger]

Yea witches are more consistent for me too

Bombers actually pain

[lucid oar]

Fr I’m not used to cast management without cshot

[valid dagger]

@dusty kettle efficient room clearing/ strong builds/ speedrunning basics/ good decision making etc

It comes with practice and experience

[dusty kettle]

I see.

I'll have to see someone do it in a stream,

[valid dagger]

And rng can be a factor too, like getting good enemies or free rooms

[dusty kettle]

Because I've used cheats and not hit those times, so I'm missing something (I used cheats in the past when I became impatient and wanted to see story 🤣 )

[valid dagger]

You can check yt/leaderboard for vods too, or join the speedrunning discord

[dusty kettle]

I'll check out YT for vids, thank you/

[hexed pendant]

query re: shattered shackle: what counts as 'empowered by a boon' — do daedalus/chaos count?

[valid dagger]

No, only thing that counts is when there is a boon in that specific slot

So if you just have a hammer or chaos you still get the bonus from the shackle

[hexed pendant]

nice, thanks!

[shell sleet]

"can be"

[analog cove]

Passion charged mirage beo is the fastes hades fight I’ve ever had how did I not find this sooner

[boreal phoenix]

Hera bow is best bow, change my mind

[valid dagger]

Do 55 Heat then say that again

You’ll change your mind in no time

[boreal phoenix]

I am still struggling on 20 heat

That is a hail nah from me m8

[valid dagger]

Hera is great

[boreal phoenix]

Yrs

[valid dagger]

Very fun to burst through everything

[unreal tree]

Hera heat wr is free

[boreal phoenix]

But it do got down sides

[valid dagger]

Is it 53 now or what

[boreal phoenix]

What build is best for raw high crit damage?

Like melts bosses before their second phase

[vale imp]

like specifically crit? or just burst in general?

[boreal phoenix]

Both?

[vale imp]

For burst, it's hard to beat a high-rolled Beowulf Trippy Flare run with Mirage Shot

for crit, Arthur has the highest raw numbers i think

[boreal phoenix]

Huh

I thought it was going to be zag bow with a bunch of Artemis boons

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[proven osprey]

You'd go Rama

[valid dagger]

That can do good damage

[ebon parcel]

I like to go with Artemis with Arthur and get poms to get the attack damage higher

[valid dagger]

Just not phase bosses

Rama with good hammers yea

[proven osprey]

Arthur with deadly strike is inconsistent

[boreal phoenix]

And Hera is too reliant on number of casts

[valid dagger]

Go for something like Arthur with Heartbreak strike and shadow slash

[boreal phoenix]

Huh

Ayite

[valid dagger]

More consistent and your backstabs are gonna be big

[boreal phoenix]

If all the stars align, what boons and which bow aspect is best for BIG number damage?

[vale imp]

Rama definitely

[valid dagger]

Rama is probably the easiest one to achieve big damage with

But if we're talking about a perfect scenario where you get a perfect build then they're all capable

Bows scales very well with hammers, and Rama has high base damage

If you go for an Epic Aphro attack, an Artemis dash and 2 perfect hammers you can already chunk for big numbers

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/935157656551829554/unknown.png

easy 1K+

[shell sleet]

is that twin pblank?

[valid dagger]

no

Twin Perfect

But point-blank is the same bonus you just have to be closer

[pastel gull]

What is the most fun/overpowered build with nemesis sword?

[analog cove]

Heart rend with probably Artemis on attack and aphro on special but you can swap those around. Double edge and Hermes dashes, chaos for attack and dash attack damage. Also hunter dash

[pastel gull]

Thanks Nick ill try it out

[proper furnace]

Also merciful end as always

[boreal phoenix]

How to get lots of casts for a Hera bow run?

[valid dagger]

Chaos or Well items

[boreal phoenix]

K

What about Artemis legendary?

[valid dagger]

There is also Artemis' Legendary but that's not hard to get

[boreal phoenix]

Ok

[valid dagger]

If you get the chance sure but not much you can do to actually get it

Unless you run Fated Authority or something

Well items + Bone Hourglass are too good

[steel idol]

I'm just wondering, do boons from chaos and Charon that apply "Special does X% damage" boost the Olympus boon on that ability? Like if you had Zeus on your special.

[valid dagger]

It wont boost the flat damage no

Just the base

[steel idol]

So picking one of those kind of boons should be more reliant on your weapon rather than your boons.

[valid dagger]

Well usually every weapon can benefit from flat damage and % increases in some way

[hoary sorrel]

Anyone here like the Sword Aspect of Poseidon exit wounds build? I am finding that ever since I started trying that I have no issue beating runs with all 4 levels of extreme measures.

[vale imp]

it's a really fun build

probably the most synergistic with Poseidon out of all the cast aspects

[lucid oar]

Yeah

[lone cloak]

https://youtu.be/WqdKu-8yFWw

Is there a record for highest dmg? I was getting up to 1500 in one swing with this money build. 1458 being the highest I saw

[last dirge]

More damage from chaos is basically always good

Just get it on your best damage source

Like for example last night I manipulated a run until I got a really sweet GY Charged Skewer + Artemis Special run

At lvl 9 I believe I capped at around 130% damage

That is decent but you can juice it up with Chaos a lot

If I got a decent Special boon from Chaos, now it does as much base dmg as Aphro

Plus 20% base crit chance

Sadly a lvl 16 epic pressure points isnt realistic

I didnt even get pp that run and I wanted it for better base chance + mark procs from my dash

[turbid needle]

would need to be lvl 17 epic pp for 20%

[last dirge]

Yeah lol

I've gotten it to like lvl 9 but never that high

Like even if you are doing zeus^2

Special dmg from Chaos is pretty good

I wouldn't bother with it on like Rama Zeus Special

5 base dmg vs 30 on Zeus

I was actually thinking about doing a Zeus Deadly Flourish run

[lucid oar]

It’s not amazing

Heartbreak flourish is better

[worn solar]

ahem

@turbid needle

[turbid needle]

ye i already unlocked the themes

[last dirge]

Even with heartbreak strike?

For bull rushes vs mark?

I'd also get like explosive return or something

Agreed though. Deadly flourish on GY only felt good once I got Charged Skewer

Then even small throws would shred most armored enemies

[mild raft]

Explosive return cannot crit

[worn solar]

even with hunters mark

[hoary sorrel]

Just did my first run with Dark Foresight....

I have an obscene Exit Wounds build with Early drop exit wounds (with aspect of posiedon), had 3 chaos drops for more ammo. Had multiple legendaries drop, including heart rend, and absolutely crushed Extreme Measures [redacted]

[fossil narwhal]

Best attack focused build for lucifer?

Im thinking of grabbing aphrodite attack and spamming poms

[lucid oar]

Flat damage is generally better due to the fast attacking nature of lucifer

So Zeus/ares/dio

You want jolted/dire misfortune/poms respectively

[valid dagger]

Aphrodite better off on your Special

Or Artemis/ any good % increase boon

[lucid oar]

Dem attack with killing freeze and arctic blast can be fun, but it’s not the most DPS

Also Poseidon attack with sea storm and razor shoals

[turbid needle]

aphro has good duos with all 3 aforementioned gods for attack so thats a good choixe for special

[last dirge]

Honestly just do like Zeus attack Aphro flourish Zeus call Smouldering Air

That's an achievable easy build

Zeus attack helps trigger specials initially. Then you can shift to adding in call

If you are confident you can get smair in your run (like natural aphro in tartarus, early call) then you may want to pom your call over your attack

Since really you just need a way to trigger your special orbs. Call can do that. Set up orbs while smair charges up.

[lucid oar]

The call scales excellently whereas the attack scales pretty much exclusively from jolted and other Zeus stuff

[last dirge]

Yeah jolted is a big deal here

[lucid oar]

Pomming the attack above level 2 isn’t rlly worth

[last dirge]

Pom jolted if anything. That should also trigger orbs.

For dash get whatever. Tidal is probably ideal.

Hunter is awful

[lucid oar]

Yeah that does basically nothing

[last dirge]

Doesnt even trigger orbs

[lucid oar]

Divine dash or tidal the 2 good ones, same as usual

[last dirge]

If you see snow burst that's good

You dont need to cast a lot but it will make your cast much more useful

[sand anvil]

let me just say this

auto bow with crits is pretty good, especially with a attack speed bonus to boot

[turbid needle]

https://imgur.com/ZGe9hHY r8 my bindings

[last dirge]

Tried to get smair on lucifer

With Demeter call

No smair

I got bad news

I got zeus-demeter and aphro-poseidon

Had several chances to get smair with like +39% rare chance from Chaos

[turbid needle]

by zues-demeter do u mean a trial room

u cant get duos in trials

[cunning urchin]

Does it work for you?

[last dirge]

I mean their duos

I actually got a zeus aphro trial room which I was happy for

It wasnt at a bad time and it eats up boons in their pools at least.

I got unhealthy fixation and chain lightning

Didnt even get splitting bolt

Which would be good with bad news

Oh well

I got eternal and triple + epic swift strike

It's got the dps it needs

[alpine warren]

Hello I have a question

How to clear faster

Or rather, different question but same outcome, how to deal more dmg?

[valid dagger]

Knowing what works well with each weapon can help with that

So you know what to look for and where your damage is coming from

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bxwSsTPubI

This guide covers good stuff

[alpine warren]

Tyty I'll check it out

[alpine warren]

Hey guys is there anywhere a video or a diagram that explains more in details boons rarity/level with numbers

like can a common lvl5 boon be more powerful than the same boon but rare lvl1? that sort of questions

ive often come with the decision between choosing a common attack boon or a rare special boon, and id pick the rare one for instance, even tho i dont like the playstyle of it

[lucid oar]

Most of the time, common level 5 is better than rare level 1

It’s so situational though, eg a common lightning strike is better than epic heartbreak strike on the rail

[turbid needle]

I think the wiki in general has rarity upgrade numbers for boons

im very much in the camp of: go for the boons that help your build no matter the rarity

[lucid oar]

Yeah that’s generally the case

[alpine warren]

Thanks I'll live by these words! (or die trying)

[dusty kettle]

Hi all, I was wondering about the Family Favourite buff in the Mirror of Night.
Is that bonus damage for having multiple boons from one god, or is the bonus applied for each different god who's boons you have?

[gusty rapids]

applied for each different god

[dusty kettle]

Ah sweet.

[gusty rapids]

excluding chaos

[dusty kettle]

I thought "Damn, ok, gotta do a Zeus-only run for that" sorta thing.

Good to know it rewards a mix.
Thank you 🙂

[gusty rapids]

np

[dusty kettle]

I think I'll take the Privileged Status one. I see myself being able to deal more damage with it.

[sterile fiber]

Priv Stat good if you know you're getting 2 statuses

[turbid needle]

in most builds youll get 2 debuffs without trying but if ur main dmg source is an Artemis boons then family favorite is usually better

[worn solar]

also like even if you have two debuffs, youre not necessary applying them together very quickly

[valid dagger]

It's also about how reliably you can apply the curses

And in that scenario you might not get a second debuff until way later

[boreal phoenix]

@valid dagger how could I make my build in #h1-victory-boasting better?

Cuz I feel like I could have done better better but something about that run just felt off for some reason🤔

[sterile fiber]

Take Fated Persuasion instead of authority

[worn solar]

well like i said you have no cast damage increases

[boreal phoenix]

Yeah

I should have not relied on the well for thoes

But what would you fix with it?

[worn solar]

well is pretty good if you use hourglass

[sterile fiber]

Swap Cali Program to like Hard Labor or something

Doesn't matter that enemies hit harder if they're dead

[worn solar]

you can take buffs through most of the biomes

[boreal phoenix]

Yeah

[sterile fiber]

And jury summons to middle management

[boreal phoenix]

But what boons could SEVERELY buff cast damage that wouldn't have to build to

Excluding chaos

[worn solar]

you had demeter so snow burst wouldve added a lot with all the casts you had. could gotten chaos cast damage increases if they popped up. sweet surrender from aphro, rush delivery from hermes

[boreal phoenix]

Huh

That never crossed my mind

[worn solar]

when did you start taking pom blossom?

[boreal phoenix]

The odds of this run happening again is slim to none

[boreal phoenix]

Like 3 runs ago when I first got it

[worn solar]

or i mean which biome did you put it on*

[boreal phoenix]

Like Elysium I think?

[worn solar]

yeah wouldve been much better to use hourglass that point in the run

unless you dont have the keepsake leveled up

[boreal phoenix]

But I was having the problem of not being able to add all my casts into the shot in time when I enter the room

[valid dagger]

I wouldnt try to load them all in one arrow

[worn solar]

^

you also dont need to if your casts are doing any damage

[boreal phoenix]

I lost 2 DD in Styx

Not fun

[valid dagger]

Load 3-4 at a time if you can

or 2 if you're comfortable with that

[turbid needle]

yea if you load em all its like 3 will kill the enemy and 5 will hit a wall lol

[worn solar]

like a single braid from a well wouldve increased your cast damage by 50%

[boreal phoenix]

Yeah I figured that out in the last few Chambers

But Hera bow is the most efficient way to kill Hades and it's kinda fun

[sterile fiber]

Nah once you get more Persuasion rolls it's much easier

[boreal phoenix]

I only got 2

[valid dagger]

You can get a lot of casts using wells

[boreal phoenix]

Yeah but Charon shafts me

[sterile fiber]

you have authority not Persuasion

[valid dagger]

Look for Snow Burst from Demeter as mentioned and also Quick Reload from Hermes is very strong

Will help your bosses a lot because you wont have 8 casts all the time

[sterile fiber]

Persuasion will let you reroll wells too

[valid dagger]

It's much more reasonable to have 4-5

And having them stuck in bosses is not fun

[boreal phoenix]

Any good exit wound run ideas?

[worn solar]

yeah authority is pretty useless most of the time for anything that isnt a stack zeus build

and also the rerolls have some strategy to them

[boreal phoenix]

But I got pretty lucky with those 8 casts

[worn solar]

exit wounds is mostly a poseidon aspect thing

[boreal phoenix]

K

[valid dagger]

Exit wounds is mostly as a requirement to the legendary

side pick

[worn solar]

also that

[valid dagger]

on hera it barely does anything

[boreal phoenix]

Exit wound?

[valid dagger]

you should be bursting enemies normal enemies and phasing bosses

[valid dagger]

yea

[worn solar]

like most of the time exit wounds adds exactly 0 damage

[valid dagger]

It could have some synergy with like quick reload

but why

just pom your cast

and one shot stuff

[boreal phoenix]

Fair

Or just have so many cast that it would be useless

But it can be deadly if you got the right synergy

[worn solar]

well tbh you had like 300 damage a cast and exit wounds was like idk 150?

[boreal phoenix]

Exit was like 180 I think?

[worn solar]

so could 2 shot some enemies that would taken 3 casts

[boreal phoenix]

Ye

[worn solar]

kinda awkward without quick reload though

[valid dagger]

Also I wouldnt pom it

[boreal phoenix]

But some enemies are bit chunky

[cunning elm]

Can someone explain how Hera does anything worthwhile, aside from the faster drop time? It seems like the same dps over time

[valid dagger]

well yea but not 8 casts kinda chunky

[cunning elm]

I haven't played it much, just reasoning through the description

[boreal phoenix]

Shot dmg+cast dmg

It very good for insta killing chunky enemies and bosses

[worn solar]

its high burst damage

[boreal phoenix]

Yes

[cunning elm]

The only benefit I see VS simply throwing all the casts at the same enemy and then shooting them is that you could maybe load them more quickly than casting normally

But it doesn't seem that dramatic to me

[boreal phoenix]

Yes

[cunning elm]

I guess I'm underestimating it, if that's the primary and helpful difference

[boreal phoenix]

Just give it a shot and you will understand

It can give big number damage

[cunning elm]

Yeah, it just didn't make sense as a difference in dps over time

Burst for thicc numbers, sure

But if the speed of casting changes more dramatically than I credited, then I can believe that

[boreal phoenix]

Its just extra DMG that is good if you hate high health enemies

[worn solar]

well you can load casts as quickly as you press the load button and can do so while charging a shot

hera also gives better range to a cast like aphro's so you can load and shoot however many casts you want at an enemy in less than a second

[boreal phoenix]

^this

[cunning elm]

mmmmmmmmmm okay I have seen the light

[boreal phoenix]

It is good

But I haven't tried dio cast

Don't know how that will turn out

[worn solar]

dio cast needs a lot of rng

it sucks unless you get extra casts quickly

[last dirge]

Exit wounds is good on dad

Well it depends on dps

If your casts can one phase him then it doesnt matter. they'll pop out whole he is invuln

[boreal phoenix]

Is a Hera-dio cast run good?

[last dirge]

Yeah

[boreal phoenix]

Ok

I'll check it out

[last dirge]

Get infernal. Really focus on bonus casts.

[worn solar]

stygian

[last dirge]

Even use hourglass in Styx maybe

Yeah

I mix them up

[boreal phoenix]

Chaos is a good source of casts

[last dirge]

Yeah

[worn solar]

you really want mirage shot for dio cast

[last dirge]

Just gotta hope they show up

[boreal phoenix]

Yeah

[last dirge]

And give you casts

[worn solar]

same bug with beo for 2x dmg

[last dirge]

It's hard though

[worn solar]

if you want to do dio cast id just do beo anyways

[last dirge]

You could do parting shot

Phalanx shot

It always backstabs on Hera iirc

[sterile fiber]

Wounds shines more when you run cursed pacts and need as much output as you can get

[worn solar]

not from the back

[last dirge]

Lol

Lightning phalanx is probably better still

[gusty rapids]

yea the instant burst and extra range that hera provides for ur cast is really big

casting is a v slow animation, so doing it 3 times takes a ton of time

whereas loading 3 casts into ur arrow and shooting it halfway across the screen is v quick

[cunning elm]

Does Hera's faster drop time improve dio cast?

[worn solar]

nope

[cunning elm]

okie

[worn solar]

thats why you want stygian soul

so your casts recharge instead of you having to wait for them to drop out of the fog

only problem is its really bad with just one cast so youll want to find another from chaos or wells

[fallen spoke]

any good zeus shield builds

[grand brook]

Zeus on special

[fallen spoke]

ok and stack zeus boons i suppose

[sterile fiber]

Yes

[grand brook]

Yeah that’s a good option, for my first win with Zeus shield I had artemis on attack and snow burst, but overall I don’t remember if I had the very best boon setup for the weapon

[sterile fiber]

Zeus is practically "get any special boon, the end"

Except Poseidon which needs more fiddling

[fallen spoke]

poseidon zeus duo

[sterile fiber]

Athena - Deadly Reversal, ME
Artemis - Heart Rend + Support Fire
Aphrodite - Heart Rend + Smoldering Air
Ares - Dire misfortune, ME
Poseidon - Sea Storm
Demeter - Arctic Blast
Zeus - Zeus
Dionysus - Low Tolerance, Black Out

[fallen spoke]

ok thx

[sterile fiber]

can combo too

[fallen spoke]

zeus special and splash dash seastorm and maybe some lightnig rod or smoldering air

[sterile fiber]

Like say you're doing Zeus special, you can also get Aphrodite attack for Smoldering Air and Artemis for support fire

[worn solar]

just avoid opening seastorm if youre going zeus special unless you already have splitting tbh

[fallen spoke]

prb will go dash deflect if i have the chance

[last dirge]

Zeus benefits from more Zeus

So Zeus call and Aphrodite attack to open up Smouldering Air

With that damage, your dash barely matters

Dont go for double strike really unless you get Zeus call

Do go for Pressure Points and Mark

Bolts can crit. That opens up a lot of dps from attack

[worn solar]

double strike is great more jolted damage, more explosive return damage, opens up splitting bolt. the cooldown bug doesnt matter a whole lot tbh except against bosses

[last dirge]

Sure

[last dirge]

Tried to get deadly flourish + deadly reversal going on Zeus

Didnt get it. Oh well.

I was dreaming of crit chains

[worn solar]

or just get marked

[last dirge]

I did. Mark doesnt do great vs non em4 dad

I had way more dps on Champions because mark works there

[strange lark]

Deadly flourish Zeus

[worn solar]

get splitting headache aka best hangover boon to ever exist

[unreal tree]

Damue literally has a 15 minute long video explaining how terrible that boon is lmao

[astral lantern]

guys ive been wondering about a athena build that consist of divine strike Brilliant Riposte and Deadly Reversal and u can add heartrend with passion dash for extra damage would this work?

oh and on nemesis sword

[worn solar]

well deady reversal isnt that great especially without ddash and compared to heartrend

[cunning urchin]

It's pretty good. The problem is that you need Divine Strike or Flourish to unlock it. They nerfed that to balance Divine Dash better, I suppose, just kinda makes the Duo Boon a lot weaker, too.

[worn solar]

if i wanted both duos id grab heart break strike, arty cast, and athena flourish

then you can get hunter, divine, or tidal dash or something

[cunning urchin]

It's also much better in flat damage builds than in builds that have crits from the start.

[astral lantern]

ok thanks i really want a athena main build but she has no good offensive boons

[cunning urchin]

Phalanx Shot on Poseidon Aspect is great for that.

Plenty of fire power.

[lucid oar]

Proud bearing as well

[cunning urchin]

Welll... that's not a "main build" exactly.

But yeah, Proud Bearing is very nice with a good Call.

[worn solar]

her core and t2 boons are mainly defensive yeah

[cunning urchin]

Phalanx Shot start, then look for Lord Zeus to unlock Lightning Phalanx.

Also take Shadow Presence in the mirror, and if you see Lady Aphrodite, she'll unlock Parting Shot.

Plenty of poms on your Cast.

[lucid oar]

Exit wounds and mirage from those ones

[cunning urchin]

Yeah.

Another good offensive Lady Athena build is Divine Strike start on Malphon into Deadly Flourish + Hunter Dash (or alternatively Divine Dash) to unlock Support Fire and Deadly Reversal. Way weaker now than it used to be in Early Access, but you can play very aggressive and it can still be very powerful when things come together.

You'd also want a good Call that you can spam since Malphon + Support Fire builds god gauge very fast.

[lucid oar]

Calls are so strong

Who’da thunk

[astral lantern]

ok ty

[cunning urchin]

Guan Yu Divine Strike spin build is also a lot of fun.

[fallen geode]

How bout Merciful End Malphon with Divine strike 👀

[lucid oar]

It’s not great cause you can’t apply doom often

[strange lark]

Reverse ME pretty pog

[lucid oar]

Reverciful end

[last dirge]

I really wanna do deadly reversal on lightning phalanx

While traveling towards enemies they should deflect stuff

Then they get 20% crit chance

[sterile fiber]

Reverse ME Beo

[cunning elm]

Update @worn solar @boreal phoenix: okay I understand Hera now rofl

[boreal phoenix]

[sterile fiber]

[turbid needle]

chain shot on bow is lowkey satisfying

but it on zag bow and see crits bounce

[shell sleet]

link?

[unreal tree]

Idk i heard about it from melon

[valid dagger]

[crystal flare]

Does Storm Lightning (increase lightning bounces) bounces back-to-back-to-back until the limit even though there are only 2 enemies close to each other?

[worn solar]

only bounce per enemy. doesnt change it

[crystal flare]

ah okay

[worn solar]

only good for as a splitting bolt prereq

[unreal tree]

C o r e p a r t o f t h e b u i l d

Also the poms on it are useless

[shell sleet]

yeah why is that pommable

makes absolutely no sense

[crystal flare]

haha aight, thanks ya'll

[valid dagger]

storm lightning best boon in the game

[pliant dirge]

Clearly you have not seen Blown Kiss

[worn solar]

peer pressure fight me

[shell sleet]

youre all forgetting the most powerful and legendary boon of them all
huge catch

[worn solar]

idk. pretty huge gold buff

[boreal phoenix]

Any meme build ideas?

[valid dagger]

uhh

RaME

[unreal tree]

Rama mia

[boreal phoenix]

tempting

But I don't have ram unlocked yet

Any meme runs that don't use hidden aspects?

[unreal tree]

Plume all the way on zag sword/zag fists

Get rush delivery

[boreal phoenix]

Should be easy enough?

What makes this a meme run?

[unreal tree]

Yeah and you can try to build for dodge on the fists

[boreal phoenix]

Oh

[unreal tree]

One keepsake the whole way and your build is completely random

Because you're not forcing gods

[boreal phoenix]

John cena build?

[unreal tree]

Lol

[boreal phoenix]

Wait no

It would be a "Cant touch this" build

MC hammer

[turbid needle]

Is there a wiki or video with a couple of basic but strong builds to learn first

[boreal phoenix]

It is just more of a feel around and see what suits your play style and expand from there

[cunning urchin]

My Newbie Build Guide is pinned in #h1-for-new-players. That might help you get started.

[turbid needle]

Oh ok thanks

It helped a bunch thanks

[weak zodiac]

guys how do u manage keepsake with chirons bow?

[boreal phoenix]

Pressure points, any attack, and high damage special

[sterile fiber]

https://m.bilibili.com/video/BV1RF41187Yh?p=2

woops it's 18 mins not 15

enjoy...?

[boreal phoenix]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sterile fiber]

he asked and received, that's all

(there's a little chiron guide in there too)

uh chiron
If you wanna roll with the RNG, start Aphrodite and get her regular attack, then either
Artemis special -> Heart Rend
Dionysus special -> Low Tolerance
can even take her own special for reverse Heart Rend esp if you get PP/Mark
Ares special -> Curse of Longing is decent if you think of it as a hangover effect where you apply the effect on one enemy and then move to another

Poseidon special + Dash into Sea Storm also works with either Aphrodite start or Poseidon start

And Demeter special + Arctic Blast

[weak zodiac]

uh I used to start with zeus special

but apparently I shouldnt right?

[sterile fiber]

It's okay, but you don't get one bolt per arrow

I heard you only get 1? or 2 at most

[weak zodiac]

oh I see

aight ty vm! imma try aprho start

[sterile fiber]

A good rarity Aphro attack can one shot stuff in Tartarus

[weak zodiac]

oh also I got a question

I see people finishing with all legendary boons

how the heck do they do that? I manage to get at most 1 legendary and rest is rare or epic

[valid dagger]

just luck

legendaries are hard to get because you need alot of 1 god

duo boons are more reasonable to shoot for

and they can empower builds by a lot sometimes

[sterile fiber]

Gods' Legacy (+chance for legendary), Fated Persuasion (reroll boons), knowing how to unlock them efficiently, luck

[shell sleet]

well unfortunately i cant understand any of this :[

[sterile fiber]

it's basically "you could've been using Heart Rend"

well more like, it's hard to fit into Heart Rend since then the only reliable way to add hangover is drunken dash which isn't safe at higher heat

were. were you expecting something in english

[shell sleet]

i didnt know that damue is chinese

so yeah

[sterile fiber]

yeah they're (one of?) the best Chinese players

(that's why I didn't link it in the first place)

[boreal phoenix]

How do I go for a max greed run?

[cunning urchin]

(1) Be Scrooge McDuck, (2) ???, (3) profit.

[zenith hinge]

Guys do you know what weapon/aspect/build i could use to try to win Charon for first time? I only fought him once and got destroyed but now that im more "skilled" in the game if i can say lol i want to try again. And also what's the % of chance to be able to fight him per run? 15% something like that?

[worn solar]

idk like 20%. ig zeus or beo are pretty easy

[polar python]

I got him first time with Hestia rail and Aphro attack. Great for keeping distance.

[zenith hinge]

im not sure but you can fight him only in the first zone no? so if i dont see him there i can restart?

[polar python]

Any mid shop

[zenith hinge]

oh ok 🙂

[polar python]

Or at least Tart and Asphodel

[zenith hinge]

tought it was only in first zone shops

ok

[worn solar]

its easiest to fight him in elysium

he doesnt scale

[zenith hinge]

ah

yeah i see what you mean

[polar python]

Yeah, make sure you have at least half a build going

[zenith hinge]

yeah ^^

so a ranged weapon should be better you think?

[polar python]

Worked for me

[worn solar]

or a shield

in general theyre easier

[polar python]

I've also beaten him with fists though so 🤷

[zenith hinge]

ive chaos shield maxed and im not that bad with it

could try that

[polar python]

Sounds like a plan

[worn solar]

well chaos is meh. but it works

[zenith hinge]

i like chaos 😄

[polar python]

I guess we'll see

[languid oyster]

Guys

And others

Y'know the hidden shield aspect

Is it good

[sterile fiber]

What about it

[languid oyster]

Usually I like to be fast

(So I use hermes feather)

[sterile fiber]

It's good yeah

[languid oyster]

But the shield is slow

[sterile fiber]

always in contention for fastest weapon ever

[languid oyster]

So is my internet

[sterile fiber]

It's slow but the casts have big AoE so it makes up

Don't need to hit fast if everything dies in the first hit

[languid oyster]

I don't like it

I prefer malphon

[sterile fiber]

well you can either watch high level gameplay to learn how to play it fast, or don't play it

nothing wrong with not playing something you don't like

[languid oyster]

I know

[zenith hinge]

same for me, im not that good with "slow" weapons

[languid oyster]

I want malphon hidden aspect

But I never find the bull

[zenith hinge]

i made my first run with arthur sword earlier, i made some crazy dmgs (saw some 3k+ crits) but also took more damages than my usual runs, cause you are easily hitable when you attack

[valid dagger]

The 4th shield is not a "slow" weapon

[zenith hinge]

ah i dont know about that one, never tried it for the moment ^^

the aspect that scare me is the spear one, loosing that much health is scary for me ^^'

[languid oyster]

Same

[zenith hinge]

have to try it one day

[languid oyster]

I'm not patient

And why us the attack so slow

I know that one hit does like 140 dmg but still

[zenith hinge]

^^ i think those kind of weapons just need to be played differently

but they can be powerfull

[languid oyster]

Also I have never been able to fight charon

[languid oyster]

Yeah

[languid oyster]

I never see his bag

[zenith hinge]

maybe u didnt trigger the "quest" to be able to see it?

[languid oyster]

What quest

Goddamn internet

[zenith hinge]

i think discord is bugging

well you have to do something before beeing able to fight him

[languid oyster]

What

[proper furnace]

you only need to have a run completed to be able to see the bag

and ofc going to the midshops

[zenith hinge]

you need 5 hearts with charon too

i just looked on wiki

" and requires that you have beaten the final boss at least once, along with gotten Charon to at least 5 Hearts. It has a 22% chance of appearing"

but yeah i tought their was something else to do but nope

[worn solar]

beowulf is much faster than any fist

[dense fiber]

i must thank you again for this, my first run following this got a 14:14

[cunning urchin]

Very nice!

Lili gets all of the credit for writing it, though.

[analog cove]

That sounds like a fun build I’ll be trying soon, I usually run Hestia rail for the big number. I don’t understand the keepsake section, what’s so good about hourglass and what is the sigil bonus damage?