h1-builds-and-combat

[quaint sorrel]

Is unhealthy fixation a boon worth going for?

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, it's pretty good in the right builds especially.

[sterile fiber]

if your weak source is fast it can be great

[long escarp]

I personally do not think so, but that’s kinda my hot take

I think that it’s honestly more likely to actually throw you off than it is to help you in most situations

But that said, if you’re attacking very quickly then yeah it’s probably pretty good for bosses

[potent pier]

in which situation is stigyan better than infernal and vice versa?

[long escarp]

Stygian is only better on Beo for Trippy Flare

Do you mean in general or just Beo?

[potent pier]

both

also why exactly those are the cases

[severe vigil]

Isn't stygian also good for demeter cast builds bc you get your lasers really fast with hermes boons

[potent pier]

e.g. "why is stygian better than infernal for trippy on beo?"

[long escarp]

If it’s not a cast build, I general lean toward infernal because I gives me more potential to make use of boons like Phalanx Shot or Flood Shot

[sterile fiber]

it has a higher potential but needs more boons to come together

[long escarp]

Oh because you don’t want to wait the full 4+ seconds for your bloodstones to come back every time. It makes room clear much slower and bosses more more tedious

[severe vigil]

I just did a cast build with Demi/Arti, tried getting the duo boon but failed to, so I just went with the aphro/dem duo

[sterile fiber]

you need a +1 cast from somewhere at least

[severe vigil]

chaos gates babyyy

[long escarp]

Crystal Beam is great with Stygian because of Glacial Glare

But any cast build that uses Stygian is reliant on chaos grasp boons or Prometheus stones from the well of Charon

Which does make them less consistent

[severe vigil]

I did Chiron aspect with demeter cast build 💀 and it worked pretty well, is it unconventional?

[sterile fiber]

obligatory "here's Damue's ascended meme beam fight that I post everywhere"
https://m.bilibili.com/video/BV1WU4y1t7h2

[long escarp]

Yes

[cunning urchin]

Well, Crystal Beam runs are more effective on actual Cast aspects, but it can certainly work.

[long escarp]

Generally people tend to use Crystal beam on aspects like Achilles since there your cast will do more than twice as much damage

[sterile fiber]

Trippy cast doesn't return the stone to you after a cast, so if you use Infernal you'll have to wait around for the stones to pop back up

[cunning urchin]

Crystal Clarity if you can get it is decent on any aspect. Cold Embrace tends to work best on melee aspects.

[severe vigil]

imagine having a bad pc and running this. I'll call it the "fry your pc and the final boss" build

[long escarp]

cold embrace never works wym

[turbid needle]

any cool builds without any aspects as a requirement i could try? so far i have been yolo'ing everything

[severe vigil]

achilles is a spear aspect, right?

[long escarp]

Yeah

[turbid needle]

i enjoyed 2 things so far tho
the 2 hp gain per hit 60% hp reduce hammer

• the grenade gun hammer

[potent pier]

so as cast duration and bloodstone amount goes 📈 then infernal's value goes 📉 ?

[sterile fiber]

tidal dash, get Rupture and Breaking wave, build for sea storm

[valid dagger]

Meta gilga build right there

[sterile fiber]

Add Smoldering Air and an Aid for more stonks

[cunning urchin]

Smair is the best aspect.

[valid dagger]

I like aspect of smair with the arthur duo boon

[sterile fiber]

Basically yeah if your cast doesn't lodge, Stygian will have a higher damage potential. Still need Chaos and shops to play nice though

[severe vigil]

Related to this question, but with aspects, what is the most unga bunga build you can do in general

[sterile fiber]

Mirage Beowulf

[valid dagger]

^

[potent pier]

so half of the casts play well with infernal (Zeus, Arte, Athe, Poseid, Aphro) and the other half with stigyan (Dio, Ares, Demet)? nvm its 5/3

[sterile fiber]

Eris can also be pretty unga bunga

[long escarp]

Specifically Trippy Shot Beowulf with Mirage featuring lots of Poms is my favorite build in the game. Love doing 6K+ damage at once

[valid dagger]

A lot of aspects can have massive damage output to the point where you're barely doing anything if you know how to build them and what to look for

[long escarp]

True

[turbid needle]

i take the hammer that makes u get 2 hp per hit and proceed to take every single defence boon and take boons that i damage enemys if they hit me

so i go around n rip n tear lol

[valid dagger]

Some surely need more stuff to get going tho

[long escarp]

This works but it makes me very sad

[sterile fiber]

I wanna say it's "avoid Stygian" vs "Stygian can work"

[long escarp]

Cursed Slash (2nd) worst hammer

[turbid needle]

D:

i also like triple bomb a lot

[long escarp]

Why

[turbid needle]

triple bomb for big burst i dont even have to use my gun

[potent pier]

disagree

[long escarp]

Ok

[long escarp]

Try cluster bomb. Or Rocket Bomb. Or both.

[turbid needle]

i know of the cluster bomb rocket bomb interaction does rocket bomb work with triple bomb?

[long escarp]

Did you know that cluster rockets have 400 base damage?

[long escarp]

Technically, but it’s way worse

[potent pier]

due to bug IIRC?

[proper furnace]

i still dont know why triple rocket feels ackward lol

[turbid needle]

i dont always get what i want D:

[long escarp]

It’s less damage and slower and less cool

[turbid needle]

i usually take aprodite thingy so i can get more damage from my bombs early

[long escarp]

I really don’t like Triple Bomb in general

[severe vigil]

this is why you use run shaping boons

[long escarp]

??

[severe vigil]

each time you get a new god/haven't gifted a nectar

i suggest giving them one

especially athena, ares, zeus, poseidon, artemis

[turbid needle]

that's what i take their special item

[long escarp]

Why specifically those 5

[potent pier]

nice dialogue?

[turbid needle]

ares are my favorite after aphrodite

[long escarp]

Why is that?

[turbid needle]

doom + aphro so much damage

[long escarp]

It is?

How

[turbid needle]

aphro base damage you get from basic attacks or special is the highest iv seen and are's doom feels so nice

[long escarp]

Aphrodite has the best % increase, yes. That’s why she’s one of the best gods in the game

Idk about Ares

I really am not a fan of doom in general tbh

Outside of Merciful End

[potent pier]

Currently planning for a beo beud using passion flare, is going stygian for the possibility of getting bad news worth it?

[long escarp]

No

Passion flare always wants Infernal

Much much better by far

[last dirge]

For sure

Passion/crush shot in general

You can straight up like spam it with certain builds

You cant really run shape with regards to hammers

Outside of scouting a run

I have reset a run and avoided a hammer before because I knew it was the same options, hoping to get a new hammer later

Doom is good supplemental dps if you get it on something secondary, with high rarity

CoV, doom on Zag bow special, even Achilles special sometimes

If its epic rarity it can at least remove armor

[unique zephyr]

i need a build to help me beat hades

[severe vigil]

If you want something easy you can go shield

And you go for Merciful end

Usually Ares for attack and Athena for special

Get Athena dash

For hammer upgrades get the one that gives you a faster charge up for your block

Also get Athena call for extra safety

Brilliant reposte so you can get Athena legendary

And take Skelly tooth for styx or even earlier if you feel the need for an extra dd

This is a Zag aspect shield build

Start with Athena keepsake so you get Athena dash as soon as possible

[analog cove]

Easier said than done but is very strong

[severe vigil]

You can manipulate runs with keepsakes though

I get what you're saying

[analog cove]

You still need to be lucky

[severe vigil]

I tried to go for seastorm Zeus aspect

My last run

And the game would not give me the duo boon for the life of me

Still won though

I lived on my last life no dd

25 hp

💀

I think I need to clear the game 2 more times

||And I bring Persephone home||

[analog cove]

Spoiler tag that please

[severe vigil]

This channel is spoilers allowed

Only #h1-for-new-players is non spoilers

But alrighr

[analog cove]

Oh I’m stupid low I thought it was that channel

My bad, sorry

[severe vigil]

It's fine

[tight cobalt]

Zag fists with Divine Strike+Dash

[analog cove]

I got that in a recent run and was amazed at how fast bosses dropped

[valid dagger]

I’m amazed your bosses dropped fast

[unreal tree]

Thats not really any damage though

[valid dagger]

[severe vigil]

Are there any well seasoned players in chat rn?

[valid dagger]

Only filthy casuals

[severe vigil]

I want to know how to unlock the secret aspects

[valid dagger]

Read the pins in #h1-story-discussion

[severe vigil]

Thank you mate

Why do I have to invest titan blood into the spear

[tight cobalt]

Who needs extra damage, you’re not gonna die so you have all the time in the world. Not like they’re going for Tight Deadline

[severe vigil]

I hate that weapon

🗿

[worn solar]

you dont need to

[severe vigil]

I want the secret aspects

[worn solar]

like i said you dont need to

you dont need to put titan blood to unlock guan yu

nor unlock any spear aspects to unlock guan yu

[sterile fiber]

sad Achilles noises

[valid dagger]

Longer fights = bigger window to mess up, also you don’t have 100% uptime on deflect and some attacks simply cannot be deflected

[unreal tree]

^

[worn solar]

if you have enough damage you can just face tank

[severe vigil]

I guess I read it wrong. I probably need to unlock one more aspect I think

I beat Hades with spear the first time I beat the game

Does that not count?

[severe vigil]

I'm more of an all out dmg kinda guy

[worn solar]

well achilles can do a lot of damage

[severe vigil]

Hera is probably my fav aspect

[sterile fiber]

Achilles is an all out damage kind of guy

[strange lark]

That's what Achilles is

[severe vigil]

Oh?

My new love

[sterile fiber]

he ended the whole war by killing everyone

[severe vigil]

Achilles my beloved I never I doubted you

[worn solar]

like

[valid dagger]

[worn solar]

+150% cast damage

[severe vigil]

I know the legend of Achilles

That leaf was just bad rng

[worn solar]

when achilles lvl 1 has the same cast dmg increase as poseidon and talos lvl 5

[valid dagger]

Tals

[severe vigil]

Demeter cast build with Achilles here I come

[valid dagger]

Yea it’s good with it

[worn solar]

https://imgur.com/a/FSH1q5t

decent

[severe vigil]

I did an unconventional one today with Chiron bow and Demeter cast

I liked it

I just felt like dmg was a bit subpar

[valid dagger]

Boonless attack pog

[worn solar]

gotta get them cast poms

[valid dagger]

The Cold Embrace experience

[strange lark]

You had like no cast boons and used cold embrace

[valid dagger]

Also Chiron

[worn solar]

tbh cold embrace hera kinda works

kinda

[strange lark]

Yeah

[severe vigil]

I know Chiron works best with Arti special and poseidon duo

But it is what it is

[valid dagger]

And Hangover pstatus is also very good

[severe vigil]

My fav aspect is hera with Arti cast and full crit

[strange lark]

Why Artemis cast

[pliant dirge]

No need to aim

[severe vigil]

Well, crit dmg go brr

[strange lark]

Crush shot much better

[severe vigil]

Imagine playing aphrodite 😭

You insult my existence sir

[strange lark]

@ nyaanyaa mewmew

[severe vigil]

Unless I go for vengeful mood

[valid dagger]

10% crit chance

[severe vigil]

I'm quite the lucky guy

[strange lark]

Bruh

[severe vigil]

Ok

Let's suppose I went Aphro cast

For Hera

What duo boon or other gods would I go for

[valid dagger]

You don’t need any Duos

[strange lark]

Snow burst from dem

Mirage good but not needed

[valid dagger]

And take hourglass and pray for wells

[severe vigil]

But but but no green boon

[worn solar]

mostly hermes and chaos

[severe vigil]

😭

[worn solar]

rushdelivery, extra casts and cast damage

[valid dagger]

Qr

[strange lark]

Quick reload is very nice

[severe vigil]

So arti legendary would still work here+ chaos casts

[worn solar]

and that

[valid dagger]

Arty legendary always good for cast builds

[worn solar]

or funny wall tech

[valid dagger]

It’s just not something you can aim for actively

You can pray for it

[severe vigil]

I like your funny words, magic man

[worn solar]

fully loaded like never appears

[strange lark]

Never appears on cast builds

[valid dagger]

Fully reload

Artemis Hermes duo

[severe vigil]

Is that the hermes legendary?

[worn solar]

yeah

[severe vigil]

Idk the names

I got it like 2 times already

[valid dagger]

Lmao

[severe vigil]

Won both runs

[worn solar]

wait no its artemis'

[severe vigil]

Funny thing, I was doing artemis exit wounds build

And I got the hermes legendary too

😆

[strange lark]

Nice

[valid dagger]

Hermes Legendary comfy

[severe vigil]

I played League before buying hades

The 2 games don't compare

This is probably my fav game of all time

[sterile fiber]

I got fully loaded on Beo then somehow thought "I can handle a Atk chaos curse on no DDs what can possibly go wrong"

[severe vigil]

💀

It went wrong, didn't it

[sterile fiber]

I got a Chaos death quote so it wasn't a total L

[severe vigil]

You got an atk curse with -4hp per attack?

On what weapon

Ah

Beowulf

The shield

[fallen spoke]

i have a flurry jab zeus cast and divine dash should i take aphro attack

[worn solar]

smouldering air is always good and aphro attack is decent for achilles

[fallen spoke]

is zeus attack better for flurry tho

[worn solar]

if you get jolted and stuff

[fallen spoke]

so no

bc zeus needs more support

[lucid oar]

Artemis is better than aphro attack

[worn solar]

yeah but it benefits more from getting support and has more support options

[lucid oar]

You can pick up aphro special though

[fallen spoke]

kinda picked the aphro attack

[lucid oar]

Eh, flurry jab anything is still good damage

Assuming you hold down attack and mash dash

[fallen spoke]

indeed

[lofty bronze]

Is this where I'd ask a question about an Athena deflect mechanic?

[next cradle]

Don't know if this is the right channel but I need advice on what to pick. I have a crystal clarity build and currently I have artemis made me choose from fully loaded, mirage shot. Which to choose?

[sterile fiber]

suffering from success

They're both good

imma say fully loaded, for the spectacle

[next cradle]

Fully loaded it is. Thanks.

[cunning urchin]

Fully Loaded simply because you'll have more chances to see Mirage Shot again than to see Fully Loaded again.

Since you can get Mirage Shot from both gods and Fully Loaded only from her.

[shell sleet]

also because getting fully loaded on a cast build only happens once ever

[sterile fiber]

https://imgur.com/a/fi8bOMo

what even killed me

[next cradle]

The skull exploded but the wave is invisible

[sterile fiber]

man

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/835377117616668692.gif?v=1

is this a known Thing

[errant acorn]

What do y'all put on Guan Yu?

[sterile fiber]

Aphrodite or Artemis special, or Athena special if you have a low level one, then divine dash

[errant acorn]

What for the attack?

I like Dionysus or Demeter for it but I feel like I might be relying too much on Chill just in general.

[sterile fiber]

chill is ok, if you're new to GY it might help survival

Demeter special is ok too

using the attack well takes practice

[errant acorn]

I like Guan Yu a lot but yeah. I'm still fairly new to it. I only cleared with it once.

I think all of my other Spear clears have been with Achilles running either Crystal Clarity or Hunting Blades.

[sterile fiber]

yeah guan yu is basically DontGetHit.jpg

[sullen granite]

wait so I got Rush Delivery and Greater Haste

does that mean I just always have double dmg?

or does bonus dmg scale based on speed

[sterile fiber]

you always have damage boost of Rush delivery's % x Greater Haste's %

so say if you have 40% Greater Haste and 75% Rush Delivery, your boost is 30%

I think.

[sullen granite]

I have 100% rush delivery and 30% greater haste

so that means 30% dmg boost at all times?

[sterile fiber]

yeah 30

[jade echo]

So what do people put on Rama special when they're trying to play legitimately? So far all I really know is Dio/Zeus cheese

[sterile fiber]

Dio/Zeus is perfectly legitimate

Doom also good

Aphrodite for Heart Rend

[long escarp]

I’ve seen it before but I don’t know what causes it

[worn solar]

whats this misinformation here. do speen build https://imgur.com/a/6ickiUT

[shell sleet]

i should remember to do wet spin build

[worn solar]

"wet spin"

also the important part is zoos smh

[shell sleet]

well thats what it is

[shell sleet]

@worn solar its 2 poseidon boons 1 zoos boon and 1 duo

so its wet spin.

[valid dagger]

We're officially naming it wet spin

[worn solar]

get more zoos then

[worn solar]

7 zoos boons, 2 poseidon boons, duo, and badnews @shell sleet

and marked

[shell sleet]

but the spin is wet

[valid dagger]

The spin is what matters

[worn solar]

but it makes a crap ton of lightning

smh i spent a lot of effort theorycrafting the ultimate speen build not really

[turbid needle]

I almost got to big boss man without any boons, but the game was like "nah take this deflect" at the very end.

I should've saved the coin-door and the centaur-heart-door for the end, just to have a chance to purge the other three boons from the other three doors at the horny temple, but I didn't think.

[proper furnace]

Were you using fated authority?

[turbid needle]

Another mistake on my part, I used the "disable bottom three" from the mirror, and the one before that was the "change boon/shop/hammer". I didn't know I could still get the things from the keys.

Or the contract

[valid dagger]

That’s a bad one

[valid dagger]

At the what

[turbid needle]

Eh, I wanted to go godless anyways.

At the temple entrance, with the tunnels.

[valid dagger]

The horny temple?

[turbid needle]

The one with the people with horns, yes

[valid dagger]

Well okay

[turbid needle]

So yeah. Kinda nuts, bouldy's keepsake is.

I beat big boss man, but didn't get the dialogue, unfortunately.

Maybe I'll try the same thing, but with the sword that does gold damage.

I don't think I'd need bouldy for that, cuz it's bonus damage, which is probably unaffected by it

But the dodge trinket tho

[valid dagger]

Even if you go for boonless, Routine Inspection is still a very very bad choice when it comes to Heat

[turbid needle]

Hmm? The first rank just hits the boon rarity buffs, no?

[valid dagger]

And Sword boonless damage isn’t the best, Hoarding Slash cant carry the run so you need Bouldy Keepsake

[potent pier]

RI1 would be fine tho

[proper furnace]

Are you using olympian favor? (+40% to rare boons)

[valid dagger]

Dark Foresight and Fated Authority are very strong

[proven osprey]

RI1 is devastating

[turbid needle]

I have learned that you can still use fated persuasion with it.

that pact ruins boonless runs yeah u need rerolls on the doors

[valid dagger]

If you’re doing Boonless you should go Authority

And yea it does work but it’s unreliable

[potent pier]

I'd say you need fated persuasion to clean 3+ boons at once

[turbid needle]

Yeah but I didn't know I could use it, just that the number was 0

[proper furnace]

Authority will avoid those boons in 1st place most probably

[turbid needle]

I thought it disabled it, so I didn't bother switching to authority

Then I accidentally walked into a key room and was like "oh"

I made a lot of mistakes

But it's ok

next time 👍

Yeah. Just gotta get that hammer upgrade and do a bagillion damage per hit

easiest boonless is hestia with shackle imo

[proper furnace]

Hoarding slash isnt that much dmg iirc

[valid dagger]

[proper furnace]

It adds the dmg at the end of other dmg calculation

[turbid needle]

yeah hoarding is pretty weak

I mean yeah, but I'd imagine it's pretty ok for a boonless run. I can do dodge instead of bouldy's shackle.

Cuz I'm not gonna be spending that much money

[valid dagger]

Yea that should take about 50 minutes

[turbid needle]

All runs take 30 minutes, no exceptions

Except the ones I die it

in

They're over real quick

[severe vigil]

guys

what are good rail builds

[valid dagger]

Zeus on attack, some big% Special and Tidal Dash/Divine Dash

[severe vigil]

alright

[valid dagger]

Look for Static Discharge, Zeus/Dio Call, Lightning Rod/Smoldering Air

etc

[severe vigil]

I'm going hestia

[valid dagger]

Oh

Then that build doesn't work

Go for Aphro's attack and a big% Special instead

Same options for Dash

[severe vigil]

soo divine dash is like the colour black

it goes well with anything

[valid dagger]

Well if you're playing casually yea

If you're speedrunning it's not always a good option

[severe vigil]

I'm not speedrunning

I'm just messing around

[valid dagger]

But yea it's good defensively so if you just wanna win it's a good take on most things

[severe vigil]

how do I play hestia

do I just

attack

reload

attack reload

on the first bullet?

[valid dagger]

Use your Special or Dash to cancel the Reload animation and throw a Special every other empowered shot

[severe vigil]

weave in specials between attacks

I see

I'll get used to it

[valid dagger]

If you happen to use a damage dash like Tidal Dash or Blade Dash make sure you're hitting enemies with it, it's hard and takes getting used to but having your Dashes hit enemies efficiently, especially on Bosses, is very valuable

[severe vigil]

It's a very peculiar attack pattern

I'll get used to it though

[valid dagger]

If you're on Controller rebind your Reload Button to a Shoulder button, and if you're on KBM rebind your Reload ideally to a mouse button or a more comfortable keyboard button

The default reload binds are not too comfortable for this

[severe vigil]

I am pllaying mouse and keyboard

what hammers do I go for?

cluster rockets and there was another one

i don't remember the name

i got it

nvm

it's rocket bomb

[unreal tree]

ricochet, piercing and hazard bomb are all great on hestia

[valid dagger]

Yea you can also go for the classic clockets

[severe vigil]

is dionysus cast good

or do i sell it later

[valid dagger]

Hestia benefits a lot from Boiling Blood due to high base damage

So I would sell it so I have a lodgable cast

[severe vigil]

gotcha

i got athena from secret boon

in the shop before the furies

I am a lucky man

[turbid needle]

I am always near winning but I constantly die on the last few health 1/4 left

I won three times

[severe vigil]

it's ok man

it happens

you'll get calmer as time passes

[turbid needle]

I'm calm HAHAH

I'm just so stunned whenever I lose

[severe vigil]

my suggestion is look for what animations are before dangerous attacks

[turbid needle]

I'm aware for that in the most part

But I get careless when he gets close to death

[severe vigil]

This might sound like advice that Hypnos gives you, but just don't

have a tiny amount of patience

[turbid needle]

True

I had a stupid build with the spear tho

Two boons from chaos that gives the spear 100% added damage total, the deadalus upgrades that charges the special to 200% base damage and 50% critical hit, Artemis boon on the special, I forgot the rest but hades was practically melting

But I lost bc I didn't have enough health defiances

*death

I mean, I did

But only 2

[severe vigil]

made it to elysium on hestia

less goo

first timing

[turbid needle]

Congrats!

[severe vigil]

I need this one run

it should be my 10th successful one

[turbid needle]

Good luck!

So far I'm three wins in

Two with shield with one on heat, one with the fists

[severe vigil]

nice

[tight cobalt]

Just got a sub-30sec on the Champions with the Zag bow

This might be my new favorite aspect

[umbral jolt]

i know this is probably obvious but poseidon sword with zeus cast seems incredible

i wonder if other casts could work as well with this sword 🤔

[sterile fiber]

I've heard Athena cast is good too esp if you get the Zeus duo

[long escarp]

Phalanx Shot is definitely the best

For Poseidon sword

[errant acorn]

You know, I've never once used that sword. Feel like I should have by now.

[long escarp]

It’s pretty good

Definitely the best sword to use if you don’t want to use sword

[sterile fiber]

I only used it to finish sword bounties through trying for the ascended crystal beam build

[sudden harness]

does purging a god's boon remove the god from the run

[sterile fiber]

no

[sudden harness]

Thank you so much

[turbid needle]

hmm guys
crystal beam + aspect of hera
i'm i onto something or it's garbage got the choice rn

[shell sleet]

it's garbage

[long escarp]

Yeah it’s terrible

[worldly stream]

What is a good Hera aspect build?

[worn solar]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IHgXN-_iYn3G2BWUJ05GSi0Qm4j4FsE0yPNM3stKpOE/edit

[proper furnace]

Shotouts to scuffed

[shell sleet]

man this scuffed guy is pretty good at the game

[umbral jolt]

hey, with lucifer how is eternal chamber compared to triple beam?

[proven osprey]

triple is ok, gives more aoe even if you can't shotgun with it

eternal chamber removes the clip limit and the ramping damage, it's quite bad

[umbral jolt]

so even tho its an infinite laser you deal less damage?

[proven osprey]

yup

there's a fun build with eternal chamber though : doom on attack and dire misfortune

it's a meme ofc but you can deal a lot to bosses

[umbral jolt]

sounds interesting

is poseidon the best attack upgrade for the beam?

or other gods work well with it also?

[proven osprey]

oh not at all, you want to avoid % boons on the attack

[valid dagger]

Zeuwus

[proven osprey]

usually you go zeus, poseidon is a popular meme build too

[shell sleet]

i read triple is ok without realising it was beam and not bomb and was very confused for a second

[valid dagger]

It also relies on Zeus quite a bit because of Sea Storm

[severe vigil]

@valid daggermy guy

do you still have the google doc

with the hera build

[valid dagger]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IHgXN-_iYn3G2BWUJ05GSi0Qm4j4FsE0yPNM3stKpOE/edit

[severe vigil]

thank you my man

I just

loaded a seed

where I took eternal rose

and it gave me a poseidon start with the fishing legendary

💀

do I just reset the run?

I reset it

[valid dagger]

It's a scripted run once you unlock fishing

[severe vigil]

I am resetting once again

I rolled 2 times for cast

and it gave me the special

and the attack

twic

I'll just sell poseidon legendary

bc it's good money

what do you know

I got an achievement for selling the legendary

😆

[turbid needle]

I had a god gauge build earlier but I lost 😩

I don't memorize all the boons names yet but it's the duo boon between Aphrodite and Zeus, charge faster when you get hit, charge faster when you get damage, and God's Favor

And the aid was zeus

And it was also epic rarity

[valid dagger]

Yea Aphro Zeus Duo is very good with Zeus call

[turbid needle]

Yeah, it is!!

But I have to be close to hades so the lightning can hit

I've had like the god gauge every 3 seconds

I've been trying to proc the revenge duo boon of ares and zeus

I haven't gotten it yet

[cunning urchin]

You get i-frames when you activate the Call. A very effective tactic is using your Call for that to evade an attack and stay close, and then your Call won't miss, either.

[turbid needle]

@cunning urchin noted!

[valid dagger]

Explosive Shot becomes a slightly different playstyle than normal Rama but it’s an okay hammer once you use it a bit, it’s tougher with things like EM4 but it works, it’s definitely worse than Perfect and Point Blank tho @severe vigil

I have cleared 55 Heat with it

[severe vigil]

Nice

I cleared my first 5 heat with zeus shield

I tried to get seastorm, couldn't and just went for Arti crit for my lightning flourish with Aphro/Arti duo boon for more crit dmg

[umbral jolt]

After i received that hammer i basically transitioned to playing rama bow like a shotgun rather than sniping enemies from far away

[severe vigil]

The nuclear shotgun

🗿

[umbral jolt]

The hades fight lasted like 2 minutes

lol

[mild raft]

The absolute gamer strat with Rama is Twin shot + Explosive and you anvil into losing Twin and gaining Triple + Point Blank

[fallen spoke]

what for run should i do

[fading nymph]

scuffed is such a good player

so glad they made a guide

[valid dagger]

[valid dagger]

Also #h1-story-discussion

[lucid oar]

When I click on that channel it shows messages from may

[lucid oar]

Best mirror for eris speedrunning goes fiery over shadow, Stygian over infernal and pride over legacy. High confidence is optional but will result in more damage

It’s unfortunate that you didn’t get much more Zeus and Poseidon. Jolted, razor shoals and breaking wave are really nice and benefit a lot from the eris buff

[valid dagger]

Also in the last biome you usually go for Dad Call unless you have Zeus call

Especially here when you dont have High Confidence, Acorn is used to keep High Confidence for a longer time for the boss fights

But yea very solid time

[cunning urchin]

It's pretty much either Hades' Aid or Smair. I think I'd probably at least consider taking the Hourglass over Acorn into Elysium and the Temple of Styx if I already have Smair.

Very nice for stacking those Nails of Talos and Chimaera Jerkies.

[valid dagger]

Tru

I like coin purse to gamble on third hermes

[cunning urchin]

@umbral jolt try swapping to Fiery Presence, Family Favorite, Dark Foresight, and Fated Persuasion. That should help a lot. And take the Evergreen Acorn into dad fight rather than the Spiked Collar, that'll be worth a lot more eHP.

And you could look through my Guan Yu Guide to see if it's any help. #h1-discussion message

[umbral jolt]

oh the acorn is useful?

ive never used it before

[sterile fiber]

Useful on bosses that hit hard

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, it's the best tank keepsake for Elysium and the Temple of Styx usually.

If it wasn't the best tank keepsake for boss fights, it would just be entirely obsolete since that's all it does lol.

[unreal tree]

@severe vigil https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/869727407471485048/chart_1.jpeg

this is the beo block radius

[severe vigil]

I see

so, it's a 270 degree

instead of 180

[unreal tree]

the second one is the block radius for the other shields

[unreal tree]

nah its nowhere near

[severe vigil]

I see it more as 120 degrees rn

tbh

that's smol

unimpressive

Beowulf though

😵‍💫

[unreal tree]

compared to this anything is small

so yeah big plate good

[sterile fiber]

Also not sure if tidal dash good on beo since it pushes enemies away

[strange lark]

its good if you have charged shot

[valid dagger]

It's fine if you have Charged shot

[sterile fiber]

I need to sip the charged shot koolaid sometime

[valid dagger]

You do

It's incredible

[severe vigil]

You guys are smart

I will fix my build next time for even more dmg

[cunning urchin]

225°. Normal shield block is 125°.

[severe vigil]

iMPRESSIVE

[strange lark]

caps lock moment

[severe vigil]

No

I am just genuinly flabbergasted

by the block angle increase

[cunning urchin]

It's an increase from 0 to 1 if 0 means you died and 1 means you lived.

[worn solar]

em4 dad will still hug you and chuck a spear or skull through your block

[cunning urchin]

Block better.

[severe vigil]

Skill diff. Get gud

[cunning urchin]

Or just let go of Attack and become invincible.

[severe vigil]

true

[worn solar]

until cshot

[severe vigil]

what is this fabled cshot you are talking about

what amazing build can I do with it

[cunning urchin]

BECOME INVINCIBLE BY KILLING HIM FIRST WITH CHARGED SHOT.

[severe vigil]

waitt

charged shot also deals your cast dmg on beo?

[unreal tree]

Nerd

[cunning urchin]

Your Casts just go boom at the end of your shot, kind of like Hera but with the delay between Casts of Beowulf.

[severe vigil]

gotcha

[worn solar]

if youre cracked like angel all you need for 60 heat zag shield is cshot and an epic heartbreak strike with some poms

[cunning urchin]

But your Charged Shot gets the bonus damage from Dragon Rush. That is quite nice.

[severe vigil]

I unlocked rama as well

today

what builds does rama go

[strange lark]

ME

[severe vigil]

do I just shotgun people

[strange lark]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/884460755053846628/Screenshot_448.png

[severe vigil]

with it

[worn solar]

[unreal tree]

Special-powershot

[worn solar]

https://imgur.com/a/JCuAZcS

artemis special with relentless volley

[severe vigil]

the homing machine gun bow

who needs rail

when you can rama

[sterile fiber]

(psst Zeus/Dio/Ares special)

Aphro/Artemis attack

Or Aphro special heart rend

[severe vigil]

Zeus makes the most sense to me bc it's so fast

arti attack with aphro special?

sounds

amazing

I have to be honest guys

I was an Aphrodite denier

but after I tried hera cast builds with her cast, I completely changed my mind

[cunning urchin]

I'd much rather have Heartbreak Strike with Thunder Flourish, Drunken Flourish, or Curse of Pain.

[worn solar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/926348629470498846/fda18cde-55ab-4967-8ac1-9b66b1e70745.png more conventional rama build

[severe vigil]

hold on. Do you use cast before you shotgun enemies with the bow, right?

that's the way I think of the attack sequence

[worn solar]

zeus only procs once per volley. mostly for spreading jolted and opening duos cough cough smouldering air

[cunning urchin]

Heartbreak Strike is a lot better than Deadly Strike. The benefit from starting with Deadly Strike is that you also get easy early access to Hunter Dash.

[severe vigil]

is smouldering air good

[worn solar]

if i need the damage

[severe vigil]

?

[worn solar]

its one of the best duos

[cunning urchin]

Well, Deadly Strike can be better for damage on bosses at the expense of not applying Weak.

[severe vigil]

so many options

🤔

[worn solar]

thats part of why its good

[severe vigil]

I got my 10 titan's blood for beating the game with every weapon and I INVESTED IT

into buying full Beo

100% dmg increase

I'll try to get full Hera bow next

I have 2 more levels left

is the rail secret aspect worth investing into

[cunning urchin]

Speedrun strat is Thunder Flourish start into Tidal Dash and then not getting Tidal Dash after all. High heat start is pretty much whatever people feel like between starting Heartbreak Strike, Deadly Strike/Hunter Dash, Thunder Flourish, and Drunken Flourish.

[severe vigil]

If you consider 8 heat high, for a newbie like me sure

I'm 60 hours into the game atm

[cunning urchin]

It's not better than Eris or Hestia, but it's a lot of fun and very powerful. Completely melts bosses with Triple Bomb and a decent Special.

[lucid oar]

Thunder flourish?

[cunning urchin]

That was for Rama.

[lucid oar]

Oh

Tidal dash sucks on Rama

[cunning urchin]

I disagree.

[lucid oar]

Well, either way it isn’t the speedrun strat

[cunning urchin]

'Twas a joke because ocaml took the Conch Shell into Asphodel. The actual strat is to not run into any enemies.

[lucid oar]

Oh lmao

Flood shot breaking wave is the styx shredder

That wasn’t a mistake

[cunning urchin]

Ah. I suppose that'd work.

I sure don't envy speedrunners trying to compete with that RNG these days.

Starting to look close to routed RNG lol.

[lucid oar]

Last 2 WRs had 2 combat chambers in elysium

[cunning urchin]

Exactly.

[unreal tree]

and the wr before that

[sterile fiber]

come run L1 with me

[polar python]

How?!

Pat, shop, fountain, mini boss (use Meg and nuke it) ... That leaves a lot of chaos gates to farm for.

[lucid oar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779451865399368/928568792710250546/Screenshot_20220106-033936.png

On the left

[polar python]

I mean with only 2 combat rooms you can get at most 3 chaos.

Oh of course Thanatos is mostly free for IGT (though not as free as I thought looking at that).

[lucid oar]

Fountain and 2 shops

That makes it 2 combat

[polar python]

I thought you'd need 2 or 3 chaos but I guess Elysium has one less room than I thought.

[last dirge]

Tidal dash is fine on Rama

What's the best, Hunter's?

[valid dagger]

Yup

[last dirge]

Tidal will carry some weight in Tartarus and Styx imo

[valid dagger]

Context matters but Rama doesn’t gain a ton from other dashes anyway

[last dirge]

Yeah

[valid dagger]

So usually it’s hunter

[last dirge]

You just cant always get the single dash you want tbh

I'd rather know how the other options fare

Tidal will work unless you are scraping seconds off your PB

[lucid oar]

Tidal dash pushes enemies away from you

When 2 of the best hammers are triple shot and point blank shot, this is bad

Flood shot + breaking wave handles styx really nicely though

[last dirge]

Fair point

Most enemies you can pb with triple cant be knockbacked

And with twin there is not much spread so it doesnt matter much

Definitely matters for speed but for dmg, tidal will clean up especially in Tartarus and Styx

[lucid oar]

Hunter dash is just so good

With basically no drawback

[tight cobalt]

Did a Plume run on Zag sword, managed to somehow end up with a decent Merciful End build

Flurry Slash, Dire Misfortune, Impending Doom, the works

[fallen geode]

Whats a good Hera bow cast?

[pliant dirge]

Crush Shot

[fallen geode]

Poseidon? 🤔

[flat garden]

nah

slicing shot

[pliant dirge]

Aphrodite

[unkempt geyser]

hey combat friends can anyone verify whether this edit is sound or not since i havent opened the game in a hot minute https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Charon?curid=384&diff=11520&oldid=11264

this editor removed the information in red, does the bag have a chance to show right before a boss or does this edit need to be changed? (ping me please, i have been busy the past days)

[cold coyote]

i'm 99% sure it only appears in the middle

[shell sleet]

same

[cold coyote]

ive fought charon idk 20~ times and it's always been mid

[sterile fiber]

Yeah it's never the end shop, always the mid

[unkempt geyser]

okay so the edit calling the information incorrect is itself incorrect lmao

thank you just double checking in case something changed and im not aware

[sterile fiber]

Lol smh

[unkempt geyser]

think that makes sense too bc doesnt the fight use up one of your chambers for the run?

[cold coyote]

yeah

[unkempt geyser]

so then it couldnt spawn right before the boss chamber anyway

[sterile fiber]

Yup

[unkempt geyser]

[shell sleet]

dont think thats the problem since if you take a chaos gate in the last normal chamber it simply extends the length of the biome by 1 chamber so if you could fight charon in the endshop chamber then i assume it would work in the same way

[hexed pendant]

i Hate the rail but i just managed some unreasonably op zeus build with the hammer that means u dont need to reload and about nine million chain lightning effects and got my best time

u hit me? chain lightning! i hit you? chain lightning! special? well thats demeter. but its also chain lightning! cast? i never use it but chain lightning! chain lightning? more chain lightning because it can hit nine times! chain lightning? jolted and you stay jolted!

rng was like 'quality time with zeus today'

that was extremely fun

[shell sleet]

sounds like you enjoy chain lightning

is chaos allowed for boonless

[next cradle]

Yes

[worn solar]

if it doesnt show up in the purging pool it doesn't matter for 100% olympian free

[oblique sierra]

That sounds brutal

[umbral jolt]

hey is lucifer triple beam actually good or more of a meme?

[valid dagger]

It’s okay

Lucifer exclusive hammers are all on the okay side, except Eternal Chamber being quite weak

You cant shotgun enemies with the 3 beams, that would’ve made it much more viable for bosses possibly

[umbral jolt]

also it seems like u are never in a position to hit enemies with all 3 beams

[valid dagger]

Very strong hammer = Triple bomb

Yea that’s situational

You’ll be hitting 2 enemies sometimes

3 wont happen often unless you try to set up for it intentionally, and idk why you’d do that

[umbral jolt]

also what does it means that yall say that %based stuff is really good on lucifer?

what do u mean by that?

[valid dagger]

Lucifer Special is nice damage, which is why Triple Bomb is a good hammer, and because it’s a big chunk of damage you want % damage to make it stronger, like Aphro Artemis etc

On the attack % damage is quite bad, you want Zeus ideally, the rest is just memes honestly

In general for fast hitting stuff you want Flat damage and for big chunks you want % boons, there are some exceptions but yea

[umbral jolt]

ok what is an example for %based stuff i can use?

[valid dagger]

As in boons or you mean what stuff on what weapons

[umbral jolt]

boons

like for lucifer

[valid dagger]

Aphro and Artemis are the strongest % based gods because Aphro has a high % with rarity and scales well with poms, also applies weak which is survivability, Artemis crits compensate for the low% that you get from her, the rest is Athena Demeter Poseidon, Athena and Demeter are mediocre, Poseidon’s knockback gimmick makes him less reliable than the rest

[umbral jolt]

what about ares with lucifer? cant doom really help you to constantly apply it and kill them fast?

[lucid oar]

Ares on the attack is ok if you get dire misfortune

But Zeus build will usually be better

[polar python]

Doom doesn't stack as fast as Zeus can do damage. Also remember that Lucifer beam doesn't push back or interrupt enemies, so while you might apply doom, they'll still come along and hit you if you're not careful.

[lucid oar]

Zeus has AOE as well

[cunning urchin]

For the unique dialogue and run clear message, it's allowed. For the boonless category on the leaderboard, the rule is that "you may not benefit from any boon in your run (but purging is allowed)." So that doesn't rule out taking Chaos Gates so long as you don't benefit from the boons you get.

[shell sleet]

so for example if i take a cast% chaos boon then i can never use cast for the rest of the run

right

[cunning urchin]

Right.

Unless you whiff all of them, I suppose.

[lucid oar]

What if you use a cast on an enemy that has less hp remaining than the damage of a cast with no chaos buff

[cunning urchin]

Can you prove it?

[valid dagger]

I can feel it because I'm too good what can I say

[cunning urchin]

Well.

What can you say?

Don't leave me hanging like that.

[lucid oar]

Only use cast against tiny rats

[fallen geode]

What do you do if you fired your bloodstones into an unreachable area with Hera bow

like on Elysium off into the cloud lands

[cunning urchin]

Just use regular Dash-Strikes. They'll return eventually.

[fallen geode]

👀

I see

I eventually swapped to the regenerating bloodstone perk

but i guess its worse burst cos cant load 3 💀

Also does it count as sticking one for the perk?

[cunning urchin]

Generally, the burden of proof for that isn't on the player. We know HP values for all enemies, so it would be relatively simple to tell if there's video.

Now if you did that for the whole run, we'd probably make a rule for that specifically because it's way too much work to verify. But as of now and so long as people don't abuse it like that, it's fine.

I guess if it was more popular, we could figure out a penalty system. Like 1 penalty = -8 Heat or whatever. So that a single mistake doesn't completely invalidate the run but mistakes are still strongly discouraged.

[lucid oar]

BRB bout to beat Boonless -10000 heat

[fallen geode]

When do you upgrade boon rarity vs level at Eurydice?

🧐

[lucid oar]

Too vague of a question to answer simply

[proven osprey]

When you can target a specific boon that is important to your build I would say. Poms are generally good but given your builds they can be whatever.

[lucid oar]

Nectar is basically always good though

[proven osprey]

Yeah

For heat I'd put poms above, probably

Depends on if Hermes has been met yet, duo chances etc

[cunning urchin]

I talked about it a bit yesterday. Can read down from here: #h1-for-new-players message

[fallen geode]

hmmm interesting

Refreshing nectar then 👀

man I suck with the gun and sword

[proven osprey]

Nectar is always good yeah

However if my build relies on jolted/doom and flat damage, poms will be my choice

But rarity on Hermes is too good too

[umbral jolt]

whats the difference between concentrated beam and flash fire?

[worn solar]

well one increases damage and one just makes the fire delay shorter

[hexed pendant]

do pom blossom level ups remain if you unequip it?

[sterile fiber]

Yes

[hexed pendant]

nice, thanks

[worn solar]

@cosmic lily

https://imgur.com/a/u2KJTN9

[cosmic lily]

I clicked the wrong channel

[valid dagger]

5 casts

[fading nymph]

is this fully loaded gaming

[valid dagger]

Casual sub30 hades

[unreal tree]

feels dio beo

[proper furnace]

Dio beo so fun

[scenic fox]

That's a lotta damage

[topaz compass]

BRUH

[thick trench]

boys im using

the

gloves

I wanna go a build thats like

full built around the attack

just the normal right click hit.

artemis is the go right?

[proper furnace]

lightning strike or Ares attack (+possible merciful end) work better

[thick trench]

merciful end?

I just got neptune attack option

and it gives me +55% attack which is WAYY more than artemis

Ares attack is definitely less, because it gives me ↑% dmg on special/attack/cast but overall less %

[cunning urchin]

No, Curse of Agony is the best Attack for DPS on Malphon and Lightning Strike is second.

Tempest Strike has the lowest % bonus damage. It's always a downgrade from Deadly Strike to Tempest Strike in terms of damage. Plus, Tempest Strike keeps knocking enemies out of your Attack range.

[thick trench]

Tempest strike is 30% increase base

Deadly strike is 20% increase base

[cunning urchin]

Deadly Strike crits.

[thick trench]

Ahhhhhhh

[cunning urchin]

They're both bad on Malphon anyway.

Deadly Strike is alright if you have Heavy Knuckle, but that's one specific hammer that you may or may not see.

[lucid oar]

Ok on talos

Ares attack still better

[thick trench]

? How

[lucid oar]

More damage

[lucid oar]

This isn’t ares attack, it’s urge to kill

[cunning urchin]

Doom is flat damage, so it's independent of your base damage. Malphon base damage is low.

Ah.

Yeah, his Attack applies Doom on hit.

[thick trench]

Ohhhhhh

His doom base of 50

is much better

[lucid oar]

And that’s common level 1

With epic at high levels it goes to about 170 damage

And that is increased a lot by impending doom

[cunning urchin]

If you move on immediately from enemies and just focus on spreading Doom, it'll deal a lot of damage behind you.

And if you get Merciful End, any Deflect effects will trigger Doom immediately. Now combine that with Divine Dash and you get a lot of instant Doom procs by just spamming Dash-Strikes.

[thick trench]

It seems like doom is built for aoe

Just get a light, weak tap on EVERYTHING

and watch it POP

[cunning urchin]

It works best on melee with Divine Dash and Merciful End.

[thick trench]

I google those one sec

ahhhhh

[cunning urchin]

Divine boons are always from Lady Athena.

[thick trench]

so I dash deflect

[cunning urchin]

And Merciful End is their Duo Boon.

[thick trench]

on witches e.g.

[cunning urchin]

Right.

[thick trench]

and big boomba

mmmmmm

damn yous are smart af

I literally wouldnt have thought of that in 1000 years

so doom proccing, does doom register a "ticking time bomb" EVERY hit

so I hit you twice before first one procs - two will pop one after the other?

[cunning urchin]

No, you can't apply Doom to a foe that's already inflicted with Doom.

But that doesn't matter if you get that combo because you can immediately proc Doom with your Dash and then immediately do the same thing again and again.

[thick trench]

hmmmmm

The issue is

Lets go common base for easy calc

Doom dmg 50 + 30 for attack

Then walk away apply that to others

That vs. just raw delete one and move on

[cunning urchin]

Doom still comes out on top for single-target damage if you're worried about that.

[thick trench]

really?

damn bruh

[cunning urchin]

Yep.

Well, it's about even with Lightning Strike and Heartbreak Strike.

[thick trench]

Can I ask - not that i dont trust you

Like

Im here doing

6 attacks

in about 1.1 seconds

I think

thats 180

vs the 80 the doom will do

[cunning urchin]

#h1-builds-and-combat message

[thick trench]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

youre actually

unreal

thats crazy

The only think I dont understand is

how the dashes play a role in this

you mentioned 2x dash

[cunning urchin]

You hold down Attack and mash Dash whenever your dashes are off cooldown. Keeps (unarmored) enemies stunlocked and is the fastest way to deal damage with your Attack.

I wrote a guide for Demeter Aspect about a year ago if you're interested. Mostly works for all the Malphon Aspects. #h1-builds-and-combat message

[thick trench]

Ill watch that later

Idk who demeter is just yet in tha game

Now

Are all of this on a single character? Or tabulating dmg amongst a group of people - targeted one at a time

Like, would you say the Doom dmg superiority would fade in a boss fight?

Or does your post there say that, regardless of the damage added to the multiple hits from the fists with other boons; the raw explosion of doom dmg (+ The base dmg from the same amount of fist hits) simply outweighs whatever On Hit bonus gained with the other boons.

[cunning urchin]

It's text, not a video guide.

[cunning urchin]

The math I did was for single-target damage.

And like I said, it's about even with Lightning Strike and Heartbreak Strike. But Curse of Agony can lead into Merciful End builds and Lightning Strike gets Static Discharge for Jolted, so they scale even higher with those, anyway.

[lucid oar]

And heartbreak strike gets…

Nada

[cunning urchin]

Smair.

Sweet Surrender.

[lucid oar]

Smh just go heartbreak flourish

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, Flourish and Dash are both quite a bit better.

But Unhealthy Fixation on Malphon is fun.

[thick trench]

Im reading it through here

and Im so confused as to how weak helps dmg at all

it just reduces enemy dmg right?

[lucid oar]

Yeah and that’s quite good

Heartbreak strike has the highest base % out of any god though

Epic attack is 90-100% damage

[thick trench]

OHHHHHH

i see

the like RAW stat

thats wild - you wouldnt think youd see that on the pink one

[thick trench]

Can I ask, if you put in the added variable of the Chaos boons giving increased % attack damage - would the crit for artemis become much more useful? Ive just been offered about 3 of them - 1 for 37%, another 43% , another 38%

[lucid oar]

Yes it does make Artemis attack better, but you’ll need a lot of bonus chaos damage in order for it to be better than Zeus and ares for fists.

However on something like aspect of hestia, Artemis attack with chaos boosts is the best option

[pale quarry]

Hi everyone, does anyone know if there is a link with a bunch of updated builds?

[lucid oar]

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide

[pale quarry]

Holy moly, this is awesome, thank you so much!

[umbral jolt]

Hey what casts should i try with hera besides aphro? 🤔

[turbid needle]

athena and dio are alright

[umbral jolt]

Dio cast cause its AOE?

[cunning urchin]

None. Only Crush Shot.

[umbral jolt]

Shotgun hera is awesome tbh

lool

[fallen geode]

Dio I found really good

Specially if you not good at aiming

Like me

[last dirge]

Cold Embrace

[cold coyote]

how does mirage shot work on beo aspect

[strange lark]

It doubles the damage of your cast

[cold coyote]

ok

[cunning urchin]

Does 100% instead of 30% because it's bugged.

[cold coyote]

i like bugs

[last dirge]

Beowulf is very buggy

Basically you get double the dragonrush cast burst

When you lodge 3 casts into Beo, you get 3 bursts ar the end of rush

With Mirage, you would get 6

And then all do full cast damage as others said

Trippy Flare also gets hidden pom scaling iirc

But this comes with a downside, with some casts, if you purge your attack boon, you break the radius of your cast flare.

I think its passion flare and phalanx flare

Its potentially fixable but it's basically a runender tbh

I'd rather retry the seed

[tight cobalt]

Another Beo bug worth mentioning—your dashes don’t have iframes while your casts are going off

[cold coyote]

meh

idrc

beo is fun

[fallen spoke]

any good flurry spear builds

[lucid oar]

Tidal dash, deadly strike, buffs to attack damage from chaos

And hunters mark

Instead of deadly strike you could use lightning strike although it’s a bit worse

[fallen spoke]

and any specials?

[lucid oar]

You get jolted and splitting bolt

[lucid oar]

Unnecessary for DPS, pick up dio for exclusive access or Aphrodite for heart rend and smoldering air

Special is basically used to unlock duo boons

[fallen spoke]

ok thx

[fallen spoke]

is tidal dash neccasary might swithch it with divine dash

[lucid oar]

Divine dash should be fine

Less damage of course

[fallen spoke]

ok

[last dirge]

What spear aspect are you using?

[fallen spoke]

achilles

[last dirge]

I wish flurry Hades builds were possible

Yeah what I thought

[fallen spoke]

first room hammer

[last dirge]

Yeah

Hades has a really nice debuff but Flurry is the best dps hammer and it disables spin

[fallen geode]

My only spear clears were done using Flurry + Athena just M1ing through everything

The DPS def not the best but you just deflect everything in a big space in front of you

[last dirge]

I've gotten good dps from athena and serrated

[fallen geode]

oooh whas serratex

[last dirge]

Dash strike hammer for spear

It makes you do a quick triple dash strike

But your dash is shorter

[lucid oar]

Flurry is just much better though

[last dirge]

I think it's more interesting than Flurry but not better

Yeah

But boring

[lucid oar]

It makes both your standing strikes and dash strikes 3x faster and there’s no dash distance penalty

And they occur at the same time

[last dirge]

You still need to reset the dash

Serrated is fine. You cant always get the same hammer.

[fallen spoke]

just unlocked lucifer what build should i use

[last dirge]

Start with Zeus attack Aphrodite special

Try to get Smouldering Air and Zeus Call

[fallen spoke]

ok

[last dirge]

Use Zeus to pop your specials

If you dont know, it shoots a lingering projectile

[strange lark]

zeus attack, artemis/aphro special, poseidon dash, triple bomb

[last dirge]

It explodes from any dmg source

Yeah and triple bomb

Otherwise it just pulses

[fallen spoke]

greator inferno/piercingfire/concentrated beam

[last dirge]

Hmm. Concentrated I guess?

[fallen spoke]

yeah was thinking that

[last dirge]

I forget if its good but its probably still the best option

[deft seal]

can someone recommend me a build around artemis and criticals with the bow*? looks like critical is strong but needs to be built around it

[worn solar]

well its pretty much just either zag bow or rama with artemis attack or zag bow with aphro attack and get hunter dash, heartrend, chaos attack and dash damage increases